[00:54] <nhandler> So, any ideas about my weird recipe issue?
[00:57] <wgrant> james_w: How do you know it has? The +files link 404s?
[00:58] <james_w> wgrant: yeah
[00:58] <wgrant> nhandler: When did you make the change?
[00:58] <nhandler> wgrant: Within the past 24 hours. However, there have been several builds using the recipe since the chance was made, all used the old ppa
[00:59] <wgrant> james_w: Known Soyuz bug. The file probably isn't actually gone. Which file, which PPA?
[00:59] <james_w> wgrant: ok, it's not important then
[00:59] <james_w> wgrant: I got it from the history of the primary archive, and if it's a known bug it doesn't need any more investigation
[01:01] <wgrant> james_w: It may be the known bug.
[01:01] <james_w> I think I deleted the packages now, let me check
[01:02] <james_w> yeah, deleted them, sorry
[01:03] <wgrant> OK.
[01:04] <wgrant> Bug #522800
[01:04] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 522800 in Soyuz "Broken link in PPA package details page (404) (affected: 6, heat: 28)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522800
[01:05] <wgrant> The diagnosis in the comments is wrong -- the description is correct.
[12:07] <ochosi> hi everyone, was trying to upload to my ppa (via dput) five times now and the transfer always stalled one kb before completion, what could be causing this?
[12:07] <bigjools> ochosi: it's a known bug, we don't really know why.  Can you try using sftp instead?
[12:07] <ochosi> aha, same url as with dput?
[12:15] <ochosi> bigjools: i edited dput.cf and set sftp as method. same result.
[12:16] <bigjools> ochosi: I've never seen it happen with sftp, can you paste your session?
[12:16] <ochosi> bigjools: http://pastebin.com/Ur0T1K5w
[12:18] <maxb> The sftp mode of dput does not support progress indicators, thus, you must be using ftp
[12:18] <ochosi> hm, ok, let me check dput.cf again whether i made a mistake there
[12:18] <maxb> ochosi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/502574/
[12:21] <ochosi> thanks maxb, sftp works now
[12:24] <ochosi> ok, i got an AttributeError but the upload has been successful this time
[12:24] <bigjools> yes, that's harmless
[12:25] <ochosi> ok, thanks for your help bigjools and maxb
[12:25] <bigjools> np
[13:10] <ochosi> the launchpad ppa-uploading page tells me i need to upload .dsc,.changes etc. when using sftp, but dput complains when i try to upload anything other than source.changes
[13:12] <mgedmin> dput takes the .changes files and figures out which dsc/etc. it needs to upload
[13:12] <wgrant> So just give it the .changes -- it will upload the rest automatically.
[13:13] <ochosi> right, somehow i was surprised that my ppa didn't show a build-queue for the package (as it used to until last week, when i uploaded a package with ftp), so i thought i missed something
[13:14] <wgrant> ochosi: That can take up to five minutes to appear.
[13:14] <ochosi> wgrant: is it possible that lp slightly changed its layout in that respect?
[13:15] <wgrant> ochosi: That hasn't changed significantly for around a year.
[13:15] <ochosi> wgrant: hm, ok. well thanks anyway, it seems it worked out ok
[13:16] <ochosi> (i just thought i remembered some line saying "1 package waiting to build" and that doesn't appear anymore)
[13:16] <wgrant> ochosi: Hm, that should still be there.
[13:16] <wgrant> Unless the build has started already.
[13:16] <ochosi> yeah, strange, it wasn't. although it showed that i recently uploaded a package
[13:17] <wgrant> ochosi: Which is your PPA?
[13:17] <ochosi> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa
[13:18] <wgrant> ochosi: The build finished three minutes after the upload was processed. So you may have missed the message.
[13:19] <ochosi> wgrant: it's not impossible (but i thought i monitored it closely)
[13:20] <ochosi> wgrant: i'll check again when i upload packages next time
[13:20] <wgrant> ochosi: One thing that has changed: as of a few hours ago builds are being dispatched much more quickly.
[13:21] <wgrant> So it's going to be a lot easier to miss that message.
[13:21] <ochosi> ah right, that might be it
[13:21] <ochosi> i realised that this build went through very quickly
[13:22] <wgrant> Previously it could have even taken 15 minutes to dispatch.
[13:22] <wgrant> Now it should be seconds.
[13:23] <ochosi> cool, what changed?
[13:24] <ochosi> (btw copying packages still seems to take as long as before)
[13:24] <wgrant> What takes a long time?
[13:24] <wgrant> Waiting for them to be published?
[13:24] <ochosi> copying packages from lucid to maverick
[13:25] <ochosi> yeah, actually i guess it's publishing
[13:25] <ochosi> not copying that takes a while
[13:25] <wgrant> That only happens every five minutes at the moment.
[13:25] <ochosi> right, 5min is actually not that long
[13:25] <wgrant> It's the same for copied and uploaded packages.
[13:25] <ochosi> maybe i should stop refreshing that page every min :)
[13:52] <m2j> Hi, is there a reason why launchpad delivers UTF-8 encoded HTML files without encoding information in the XML header?
[13:54] <jml> m2j: probably not?
[13:57] <LinuxJedi> grr... vpns can be a pita sometimes
[13:57] <m2j> jml: Someone reported wired characters, but he disapperaed before I could ask for the browser. I think he uses Windows. If I can expect that it is a Launchpad bug I will report it.
[13:57] <jml> m2j: best to go ahead & report it.
[13:57] <m2j> jml: OK. I will do so.
[13:57] <jml> m2j: thanks. :)
[13:57]  * mgedmin ponders the meaning of XML headers in HTML files
[14:01] <m2j> mgedmin: In the HTML file there is a XML doctype information. But neigther there nore in the HTML header there is a encoding information.
[14:02] <mgedmin> you mean <!doctype>?  that's not XML and it doesn't contain encoding information in any case
[14:03] <mgedmin> an <?xml version="1.0"?> implies UTF-8, unless a different encoding is explicitly specified
[14:03] <mgedmin> <meta charset="UTF-8"> would be nice to have, though
[14:04] <mgedmin> (well, probably the old <meta http-equiv=... spelling of it)
[14:04] <m2j> mgedmin: OK. So I should make a bug report to ask for a <meta charset="UTF-8"> entry?
[14:05]  * mgedmin <-- not a launchpad developer
[14:05] <mgedmin> if I were, I suppose I'd be most interested in a bug saying: "if I do these steps: ..., I get weird characters instead of the correct ones shown here"
[14:07] <m2j> mgedmin: So I can't do anything cause the porblem occured on someone others computer and I don't know the details.
[14:13] <popey> is login.launchpad.net broken?
[14:13] <popey> Lost something?
[14:13] <popey> There's no page with this address in the Launchpad Login Service. Check that you entered the address correctly and try again.
[14:13] <popey> (Error ID: 1733carambolalaunchpad21)
[14:13] <popey> when trying to logon to loco.ubuntu.com
[15:33] <thekorn> hi,
[15:33] <thekorn> it seems like the OpenID service is down/broken/whatever
[15:34] <thekorn> I get Error ID: 1733carambolalaunchpad108)  when I try to login to identi.ca
[15:35] <thekorn> with   https://launchpad.net/~thekorn    as OPenID url
[15:50] <noodles775> thekorn, wgrant: apparently it's fixed now? (so I've been told by the ISD guys).
[15:51] <wgrant> noodles775: Indeed, thanks.
[15:51] <wgrant> popey: It should be fixed now.
[15:51]  * popey tries
[15:52] <popey> wgrant: confirmed
[15:52] <popey> thanks
[15:55] <mars> bigjools, ping, I have a newbie question about getting distro packages into a PPA
[15:55] <bigjools> mars: yep?
[15:56] <mars> bigjools, ok, so I read the PPA docs, but I still don't see how (or if) I can get this into my PPA: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/psycopg2/2.0.13-2ubuntu2
[15:57] <mars> bigjools, I thought "I can just copy the package", but does that not work for getting distro packages into a PPA?
[15:57] <bigjools> mars: copying from distro to a PPA is easy with the API, not easy with the UI
[15:58] <mars> bigjools, is there a recipe for doing so, and if it is not written down somewhere, where would we write it down for others to see?
[15:58] <bigjools> mars: use the IArchive.syncSource() API call
[15:59] <mars> I have the dread feeling that I am trying to fix the lawnmower by sticking my hand in it...
[16:37] <mg_> Can anyone help me with a question about legal jurisdiction for Launchpad? Both Sourceforge and Google block access from certain countries due to American political restrictions and I would like to avoid this problem. I currently have a project on Sourceforge that I would like to move elsewhere due to this and am looking for assurances that I won't run into the same problem on Launchpad.
[16:38] <noodles775> bac: ^^ Is that something you looked at once before?
[16:38] <mg_> I asked that question here a couple of weekends ago, but I was told to try asking it during a weekday when it was more likely someone would be here who could answer it.
[16:39] <noodles775> mg_: as far as I know, Launchpad is not under American political restrictions as it's not hosted in the states, but best to wait for someone who knows more.
[16:40] <mg_> Sourceforge sprang the change on their users without warning, which was a bit of a shock.
[16:44] <bac> mg_: yours is a question for mrevell
[16:44] <mg_> Mathew Revel? How should I contact him? Via e-mail?
[16:44] <mrevell> Hi mg_
[16:45] <mg_> I had a question about legal juristdiction, I'll copy paste it here again
[16:45] <mg_> Can anyone help me with a question about legal jurisdiction for Launchpad? Both Sourceforge and Google block access from certain countries due to American political restrictions and I would like to avoid this problem. I currently have a project on Sourceforge that I would like to move elsewhere due to this and am looking for assurances that I won't run into the same problem on Launchpad.
[16:45] <mrevell> mg_: Launchpad is hosted in the UK, it's okay I saw your question
[16:45] <mrevell> mg_: Can you give me your email address please? (PM is fine) I'll get a better answer for you.
[16:46] <mg_> I don't have a lauchpad account, how would I PM you?
[16:47] <mrevell> mg_: I meant in IRC ... /msg mrevell Here's my email address
[16:47] <mrevell> or similar
[16:48] <mg_> Sorry, I don't use IRC much, so I didn't know that. However, no e-mail address showed up in your PM.
[16:49] <mrevell> mg_:  My email address is matthew.revell@canonical.com
[16:49] <mg_> Thanks, I will send you that right away.
[16:49] <mrevell> mg_ Thanks :)
[16:50] <mg_> Thanks, your PM just showed up now (it was delayed for some reason).
[17:17] <mtaylor> if there's any losas around, I've got a user who's trying to reset his password and aparently it's not working
[17:30] <mars> bigjools, I added a working recipe for what you described earlier to copy the old package forward to Maverick: https://help.launchpad.net/API/Examples
[17:31] <bigjools> mars: you probably want to have include_binaries=True
[17:32] <bigjools> but looks good, thanks.  If people are going to backport to PPAs I'd rather they copied than re-upload I guess.
[17:32] <mars> fixed
[17:34] <mars> bigjools, btw, I like the PPA build icons.  Nice use of animation
[17:34] <bigjools> yeah we've had those a while now!
[17:34] <mars> Well, I have never used PPAs before :p
[17:34] <bigjools> oh really?  how did you find the experience?
[17:35] <mars> well, I found the "Create your PPA" page a bit confusing.  It says "Read the ToC", and "Sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct", but
[17:36] <mars> but the link to Terms of Service was at the top of the page, not by the checkbox that says "Yes, I read the document you are asking for"
[17:36] <bigjools> mars: would you mind filing bugs?
[17:37] <mars> bigjools, certainly
[17:37] <bigjools> cheers
[17:37] <mars> bigjools, besides that it was straight-forward
[17:37] <bigjools> cool
[18:11] <bcurtiswx_> whats the limit to direct contacts through launchpad?
[18:11] <bcurtiswx_> 1 per 2 hours?
[18:12] <maco> i thought 3 per day...
[18:12] <bcurtiswx_> i sent 1 today... and it said i can't try again for another 2 hours
[19:19] <ari-tczew> where can I request a bug in paste.ubuntu.com? it's affected by spam-bots.
[19:21] <tgm4883> affected by spam bots?
[19:23] <ari-tczew> tgm4883: http://paste.ubuntu.com/502764/
[19:23] <tgm4883> yea but, I mean do you just browse the pastebin or something?
[19:24] <ari-tczew> tgm4883: I watched with curiosity on random pastebins and I noticed spam.
[19:25] <tgm4883> but.... why?
[19:25] <tgm4883> you just like to look at random logs?
[19:26] <ari-tczew> tgm4883: as I said: with curiosity. do you have any sensible questions?
[19:26] <tgm4883> I guess you probably want to report a bug to https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[19:26] <tgm4883> ari-tczew, so you want them to delete the spam then?
[19:28] <ari-tczew> tgm4883: OMFG... Cleaning spam is not a way. this website needs to be fixed. e.g. there should be a token for prevent.
[19:29] <tgm4883> ari-tczew, chill out dude. Just asking. not entirely sure how you are going to prevent all the spam in the world
[19:31] <tgm4883> especially on a pastebin. How do you expect to prohibit spammers from putting up spam on it and yet still allow anonymous users to post things?
[19:31] <ari-tczew> tgm4883: I mean prevent spam @paste.ubuntu.com. where do you see "in the world"? and about my upset: you are asking for obvious things.
[19:31] <tgm4883> ari-tczew, no, I don't think you understand pastebin
[19:32] <tgm4883>  How do you expect to prohibit spammers from putting up spam on paste.ubuntu.com and yet still allow anonymous users to post things?
[19:33] <tgm4883> also, what is obvious to one person, isn't obvious to all
[19:33] <tgm4883> otherwise there would be no bugs (aside from lazy developers)
[19:33] <ari-tczew> tgm4883: the first thing on my mind was token
[19:34] <maxb> A token?
[19:34] <maxb> This sounds like you would break pastebinit
[19:34] <tgm4883> ari-tczew, again, I don't think you understand the premise behind pastebins
[19:35] <tgm4883> maxb, I think it would break anything that uses the API
[19:37] <tgm4883> ari-tczew, I don't want it to seem like I'm dismissing your idea, I do want to fix bugs. Either I don't understand your thoughts on how to fix the issue, or you don't understand how pastebins work
[19:37] <tgm4883> If it's me just being dense, please explain
[19:38] <tgm4883> brb in 5 for lunch
[19:39]  * micahg thinks this is OT
[20:05] <ari-tczew> tgm4883: lol, paste.ubuntu.com wanted me to login through openid, so where is the anonymous?
[20:06] <micahg> ari-tczew: that's only for download
[20:07] <ari-tczew> micahg: nope. now my full name is exist when I want to paste something
[20:07] <ari-tczew> your anonymous sucks
[20:08] <micahg> ari-tczew: only if you've logged in in the past
[20:08] <ari-tczew> micahg: ok, so where is the log-out option?
[20:08] <ari-tczew> clear cookies?
[20:09] <micahg> ari-tczew: yeah, delete the cookie (that's probably worth filing a bug on :))
[20:09] <ari-tczew> buehehehe
[20:09] <ari-tczew> funny
[20:09]  * micahg still thinks this is OT :)
[20:10] <ari-tczew> I don't care about. I asked where can I talk about this case. I didn't get an answer.
[20:11] <micahg> ari-tczew: ah, #ubuntu-website :)
[20:11] <ari-tczew> thanks micahg
[20:21] <tgm4883> yea this is OT. ari-tczew you can do it anonymous, I just did. In either case, I posted the link long ago for you to file the bug against
[20:26] <snoflake> what does it mean to mark a blueprint as superseded?
[20:35] <tgm4883> snoflake, I've always used it as "Some other blueprint/bug fix/something else has essentially added the functionality that this blueprint was meant to accomplish, thus this blueprint isn't needed anymore"
[20:51] <snoflake> tgm4883: thanks
[20:53] <blindvt> sinzui, see my comment on bug 540195 (in your inbox)
[20:53] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 540195 in Launchpad Registry "ssh keys are not linked if the key doesn't have a comment (affected: 1, heat: 1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540195
[20:54] <blindvt> sinzui, i don't know where i could patch that in myself but you get the idea.. Please holler if i can help to rectify this somehow. TIA
[20:55] <blindvt> sinzui, oh, and i hereby assign this trivial snippet to you, if this would be of concern to somebody ;)
[20:55] <blindvt> s/assign/assign copyright for this/
[20:59] <sinzui> blindvt, The issue is why do we require a comment. I am not sure if we can drop it, or permit it to be empty
[21:00] <blindvt> sinzui, someone (you?) said that we need it as a link-text.
[21:01] <sinzui> not me but that make it clear it is needed by Launchpad. But since it is not required by ssh, we might consider a way to generate the comment
[21:02] <blindvt> another thing: my "Translation import queue for open-phd-guiding" still lists my two files as "needs review" after 24 hours. Whom should i poke to get that reviewed? :)
[21:04] <blindvt> sinzui, the comment is in fact needed as link-name. I've entered "Bernhard" as comment and that resulted in this html-code: http://paste.debian.net/92424/
[21:06] <sinzui> blindvt, a rosetta admin like jtv, danilo or henninge can help qith the queue
[21:06] <blindvt> sinzui, so a default of kind or "id" is fine. I'd pick the hardcoded string "id" just to avoid using user-provided input but i don't know how the surrounding code looks like.
[21:07] <blindvt> sinzui, see?
[21:08] <sinzui> I think we could make the SSHKeySet.new() method  fallback to Person.name if the comment is not needed.
[21:09] <sinzui> I do not think the comment needs to be unique, so using name (which is launchpad id) will work fine
[21:09] <maxb> LP certainly is quite happy letting me add multiple keys with the same comment
[21:09] <sinzui> excellent
[21:10] <maxb> The comment is really only useful to the owner of the key to easily pick which one to delete
[21:12] <blindvt> maxb, and for the UI to provide a clickable link. '<a href="+sshkeys">id</a>' works but an empty comment like '<a href="+sshkeys"></a>' would be a bit counter-intuitive
[21:13] <blindvt> maxb, i only have one key there, but if all keys just point to +sshkeys then any comment would do
[21:14] <maxb> yes, it's not a very obvious UI
[21:14] <blindvt> maxb, to summarize: default comment to "id" and everybody is happy (and raise more elaborate error-messages for import errors like in the snippet i pasted to this issue)