| Pendulum | TheMuso: would you or do you know anyone who might be able to do a talk on how developers can make applications accessible? | 02:24 |
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| maco | i would like to learn such info | 02:25 |
| Pendulum | (for one of the classroom weeks) | 02:25 |
| maco | all i got right now is "avoid webkit & flash" | 02:25 |
| Pendulum | maco: and for anything on the web javascript ;-) | 02:25 |
| maco | apparently no! | 02:25 |
| Pendulum | maco: oh? | 02:25 |
| maco | a blind guy in #diaspora informed me there ARE ways to do AJAX such that screenreaders can handle them decently | 02:26 |
| Pendulum | cool | 02:26 |
| TheMuso | Pendulum: I know of people who could give guidelines, but not a talk. | 02:26 |
| maco | he's on the ubuntu-a11y mailing list, but i forget his name... | 02:26 |
| maco | TheMuso: there was a "wait are we talking about the same luke?" moment in that conversation ;-) | 02:26 |
| maco | Pendulum: http://accessibleajax.clcworld.net/ | 02:27 |
| maco | though knowing TheMuso's workflow for screenreader, i'm still inclined to avoid it | 02:27 |
| Pendulum | TheMuso: by the way, I did not get UDS sponsorship so can't go. Are you okay with Charlie & Nigel running a more community/outreach session on accessibility? (as I assume you're running a devel one) | 02:27 |
| TheMuso | Pendulum: Sure. | 02:27 |
| TheMuso | I am not sure if there will be adevel session for accessibility as such, but their might be, given that there is a good chance I will be working on making unity more accessible for Natty. | 02:28 |
| Pendulum | TheMuso: awesome | 02:28 |
| charlie-tca | As long we are gathered here, anyone got ideas on the accessibility session for Ubuntu Open Week? | 02:29 |
| charlie-tca | users week, ? | 02:29 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: feel free to look at the logs from my User Day talk | 02:29 |
| charlie-tca | Okay | 02:29 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: open week :) | 02:29 |
| Pendulum | TheMuso: also, jono has suggested I post to the ubuntu-devel mailing list to get input on how to get developers more aware/involved in accessibility stuff. Do you have any advice about that? | 02:30 |
| TheMuso | Pendulum: Not really. | 02:30 |
| Pendulum | okay | 02:31 |
| Pendulum | I thought I'd ask in case you had any magic words of wisdom ;-) | 02:31 |
| charlie-tca | Pendulum: I been waiting 6 months for words of wisdom from Xubuntu devs, it doesn't seem to be coming either. | 02:32 |
| TheMuso | Re ajax, it depends on how well the browser accessibility -> screen reader communication is integrated. | 02:36 |
| Pendulum | *nods* | 02:43 |
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| AlanBell | hi all | 17:35 |
| AlanBell | could someone take a look at a website for me from a low vision/screenreader point of view | 17:36 |
| AlanBell | http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/09/29/announcing-the-new-ubuntu-uk-org/ | 17:36 |
| AlanBell | and http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org | 17:36 |
| charlie-tca | something on the beta site makes the text blur a bit. It might be the grey color of the text combined with the image on the page. | 17:38 |
| charlie-tca | The footer text is very difficult to see | 17:39 |
| AlanBell | ah yes, not sure what, if anything is going in the footer, but yes I see the grey on grey | 17:39 |
| charlie-tca | Well, the first site, I guess | 17:40 |
| charlie-tca | The http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org , the third paragraph seems to be the easiest to read | 17:40 |
| AlanBell | ok, interesting | 17:40 |
| AlanBell | that should be showing up in the new ubuntu font if you have that installed | 17:41 |
| AlanBell | except for the third paragraph which is monospaced | 17:41 |
| charlie-tca | I don't understand it, but the letters are very easy to distinguish compared to the other paragraphs | 17:41 |
| AlanBell | it is just nonsense | 17:41 |
| charlie-tca | I am not sure what is making http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/09/29/announcing-the-new-ubuntu-uk-org/ text difficult to focus. It might be the contrast? | 17:43 |
| AlanBell | at the moment the text is a dark grey, I will make it a bit closer to black | 17:43 |
| AlanBell | do you have the new ubuntu font installed? | 17:44 |
| charlie-tca | I still have the beta font | 17:44 |
| AlanBell | yeah, that should be fine | 17:44 |
| charlie-tca | I just have to really work to focus the text there | 17:46 |
| charlie-tca | hmm, and I didn't think I had issues with this stuff? | 17:46 |
| charlie-tca | I changed to high contrast svg icon set last night. WOW! I can see the icons again | 17:48 |
| AlanBell | can you try again now | 17:49 |
| charlie-tca | That helps a lot | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | great | 17:51 |
| charlie-tca | I can focus all of the text easier now | 17:52 |
| AlanBell | for reference the text was #444 now it is black | 17:52 |
| AlanBell | I also made the italics in the blockquote bit bigger as I think italics tend to get harder to read when smaller | 17:53 |
| charlie-tca | I think my eyes carry some of the image blur to the text. If I scroll the page down to get rid of the image, I can see it better | 17:53 |
| AlanBell | and I have made all the body content text 10% larger | 17:53 |
| charlie-tca | Italics are always an issue. I am pretty sure they shrink the text for it purposely. | 17:54 |
| AlanBell | that is interesting, so the drop shadow/blur thing on the image is disruptive for you | 17:54 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, kind of crazy. My mind doesn't accept these things could be an issue, but my eyes are weird, sometimes | 17:54 |
| AlanBell | hmm, issue unique to you? | 17:55 |
| charlie-tca | I don't really know. It would be good to get some more opinions, though | 17:56 |
| AlanBell | will do. I haven't shown that dropshadow thing to anyone yet, not sure if anyone will like it yet! | 17:56 |
| AlanBell | I have been quite carefull about allowing the text to be scaled really big or small without breaking the layout | 17:58 |
| charlie-tca | My eyes do stupid things. I used to be able to print everything in 6pt to save space. Now, some days, 14pt is too hard to read | 17:58 |
| charlie-tca | I think your layout looks good. I even like the image in there! | 17:58 |
| AlanBell | it was originally designed by the web team as a fixed width layout, I made it fluid | 17:59 |
| AlanBell | designers seem to have some crazy obsession with 960px fixed width layouts | 17:59 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 18:01 |
| charlie-tca | Goes back to 1024 x 768 monitors, doesn't it? | 18:01 |
| charlie-tca | Some of the wide screen monitors, the page is way too wide to read easily | 18:02 |
| AlanBell | there is this http://960.gs site which has a graphic designer fanbase | 18:03 |
| JanC | on a 1920x1080 display with 9pt fonts you don't want text the width of your screen, but nobody forces you to have your browser window that wide of course... | 18:23 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 18:24 |
| charlie-tca | apparently, I keep my browser just wide enough to display a 1024 wide page | 18:24 |
| JanC | and having such a wide screen allows you to use things like the Tree Style Tab plugin, which is just awesome ;) | 18:24 |
| JanC | especially if you often have 100+ tabs open | 18:25 |
| charlie-tca | I could see that. I don't usually open more than 20 or thirty, myself | 18:26 |
| JanC | it might still be useful, as it allows to order tabs in meaningful groups etc. | 18:26 |
| AlanBell | JanC: actually I have a 2048x1152 monitor and I often do read things full width | 20:04 |
| JanC | depends on what DPI & font size you use | 20:05 |
| JanC | but 300 characters on a line doesn't improve reading ;) | 20:05 |
| AlanBell | yeah, depends, I like things that are good at zooming in and out | 20:05 |
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