[11:02] <thorwil> http://identitydesigned.com/new-prevention-technologies/
[16:32] <thorwil> vish: http://www.projblog.com/?p=1803
[17:00] <vish> thorwil: oh nice!
[17:00] <vish> thorwil: i think john is a bit disconnected from us.. what do you think? it seems his only connection is via ML..
[17:00] <thorwil> vish: yes, he is
[17:03] <thorwil> well, it shouldn't be necessary to be on irc. it can become so damn costly on time/attention
[17:09] <thorwil> vish: how do you think about never having a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Natty ?
[17:09] <vish> thorwil: +1 ;)
[17:10] <thorwil> vish: how to handle themes, then?
[17:11] <vish> thorwil: we can just have them in "Incoming" no need a natty  as of now … but we could look at it later
[17:14] <thorwil> vish: what i have in mind is reworking things a bit, to use our wiki front page for to-the-point info, with pointer to where stuff is supposed to go (flickr, art-owl, spreadubuntu)
[17:15] <vish> thorwil: cool! we *need* to re-work the wiki
[17:16] <thorwil> i guess a page for a (community) themes package wouldn't hurt, though the general-incoming vs specific-incoming madness shouldn't be repeated. so the one themes page should always be current
[17:20] <thorwil> vish: for the mailing list, we have to consider a "this is for people who work on art with and/or for *buntu" take as opposed to a standing team list
[17:21] <vish> thorwil: hmm, what is a "standing team list"?
[17:22] <thorwil> vish: the presumption that there is or will be a continuous team effort
[17:23] <vish> heh ;)
[18:30] <thorwil> http://shimmerproject.org/2010/09/bluebird-default-theme-xubuntu-1010/
[19:54] <uni4dfx> anyone here familiar with the Radiance theme?
[19:57] <uni4dfx> i've noticed the close window button does not change to grey when clicked
[19:57] <uni4dfx> but the rest of the buttons do
[20:01] <uni4dfx> it seems to be missing the colorize="shade/gtk:bg[SELECTED]/.7"/ argument in the definition
[20:08] <uni4dfx> actually no
[20:08] <uni4dfx> line 364 needs to have alpha=".2"
[20:08] <uni4dfx> instead of alpha=".9"
[20:09] <uni4dfx> it's a 1 character easy fix, why won't anyone do anything about it?
[20:20] <darkmatter> you assume the pressed state is meant to be greyish
[20:22] <uni4dfx> darkmatter yes, because it makes sense
[20:22] <uni4dfx> the alpha .9 is not even noticeable, so it feels like you aren't clicking the button
[20:23] <uni4dfx> it should be .2 like the other two buttons
[20:26] <darkmatter> lets see. one redish orange and two greyish sand buttons. greyish sand still greyish sand on highlight (but lighter), pressed state still greyish sand but concave. redish orange close button, redish orange on highlight, makes total sense for it to be redish orange and concave when pressed. not saying I particularly love the new theme, but at least the colour usage is consistent
[20:27] <uni4dfx> it's ugly and inconsistent
[20:27] <uni4dfx> two buttons have the click effect
[20:27] <uni4dfx> the 3rd does not
[20:29] <uni4dfx> the icon is identical to the normal focused state
[20:29] <uni4dfx> so when you click it, it jumps back to normal focused
[20:29] <uni4dfx> i'm sorry but that does not make sense
[20:30] <darkmatter> it has a discernible click effect here. and is consistent with the other two (ignoring the skewed highlight on the close), just the colour is different
[20:33] <uni4dfx> no it does not have a discernible click effect
[20:34] <uni4dfx> and making an exception for just one button is anything BUT consistent
[20:35] <uni4dfx> but seriously, why am i wasting my time
[20:35] <uni4dfx> you guys will never fix anything
[20:35] <uni4dfx> you never listen to users
[20:36] <uni4dfx> you make some retarded changes like moving the window buttons and aligning the title to the left which looks absolutely horrific
[20:36] <uni4dfx> but who cares, you must have your way
[20:37] <darkmatter> it's not really an exception. it a different _colour_ and the effect is consistent aside from the difference in colour values (at least here it is) a discernible click is still discernible. but if it's that big of a deal, I would suggest you do somethging constructive, like discussing it witth the people that designed it
[20:37] <uni4dfx> so go ahead, make it ugly
[20:37] <uni4dfx> in your mind you actually do think it's "consistent" and "pretty"
[20:37] <darkmatter> going all "woe is me" on the community doesn't help you're cause
[20:38] <uni4dfx> i am sick of tired of this bullsh*t
[20:38] <uni4dfx> every time the same story
[20:38] <uni4dfx> someone finds a bug, and the devs make up stupid excuses not to fix it
[20:38] <thorwil> uni4dfx: you are not talking with members of the canonical design team here
[20:39] <uni4dfx> no wonder linux on the desktop isn't going anywhere
[20:39] <uni4dfx> and it shall clearly remain this way
[20:39] <thorwil> uni4dfx: if you want to have a chance to do so, try london office hours
[20:39] <darkmatter> uni4dfx: you realize you're complaining to the art "community" and not the canonical team doing the themes, correct? can we have a little less of the directing blame/hate at the people who didn't do it? thank you
[20:40] <uni4dfx> fine, but you still support them apparently
[20:40] <uni4dfx> their stupid ideas more precisely
[20:41] <uni4dfx> i'm done with this
[20:41] <uni4dfx> i'm gonna submit a patch to launchpad, but i know nobody will look at it
[20:41] <uni4dfx> i should stop caring about others, seriously...
[20:42] <uni4dfx> trying to fix anything in ubuntu is a complete waste of time
[20:42] <thorwil> sheesh, what a drama queen
[20:42] <darkmatter> someone woke up soiled this morn'
[20:42] <darkmatter> that or he's 10-ish ;)
[20:48] <thorwil> those physics demonstration / playthings where you have a row of pendulums with balls that will pass on an impulse ... do they have a name?
[20:50] <darkmatter> perpetual motion thingimobies
[20:50] <darkmatter> bobies*
[20:52] <darkmatter> there are several different ones. not sure about the individual names of each contraption
[21:00] <thorwil> http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/486253/486253,1266402201,8/stock-photo-newtons-pendulum-46864990.jpg
[21:01] <thorwil> found that with a collection of terms. so "newton's pendulum" it is
[21:08] <darkmatter> cool