[00:25] <bcurtiswx> vish, present?
[00:30] <bcurtiswx> anyone with admin to the bugsquad mentorship program please remove samwell from the program.. he requested from e-mail to me
[00:36] <charlie-tca> bcurtiswx: done
[00:37] <charlie-tca> bcurtiswx: thanks for letting us know
[00:38] <bcurtiswx> charlie-tca, thanks :)
[00:39] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[02:52] <drizzle> guys
[02:52] <drizzle> what do we do for something like kerneloops bug reports
[02:55] <drizzle> anyone in the chat?
[02:55] <micahg> sure
[02:55]  * micahg hides from kernel bug reports
[02:55] <drizzle> sry
[02:55] <drizzle> empathy wwas hiding the participant list
[03:01] <drizzle> saw that on sd or something
[03:01] <drizzle> the g series mice feel like shit
[03:01] <drizzle> inmo
[03:01] <drizzle> in mo
[03:01] <drizzle> i like the mx series
[03:01] <drizzle> that one might be better
[03:01] <drizzle> but they have buttons in stupid places
[03:01] <drizzle> on some of the g series
[03:01] <drizzle> over buttons
[03:01] <drizzle> too many buttons
[03:01] <micahg> drizzle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelOops
[03:01] <drizzle> i just bought a used mx518
[03:01] <drizzle> oh shit
[03:01] <drizzle> wrong window
[03:01] <drizzle> meant to hit a chat
[03:01] <drizzle> sry drizzle
[03:02] <drizzle> i mean sry micahg
[03:02] <drizzle> new to empathy
[03:02] <charlie-tca> we triage them with difficulty. Never mark them duplicates
[04:23] <intrader> I am running this irc client from ubuntu 10.10 beta. A lot of the problems reported in bug 631130 seem to be better. Still testing.
[04:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in opensuse (and 3 other projects) "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[05:19] <Takyoji> So I take it that /dev/mixer was removed in 10.10?
[05:33] <rusivi> Regarding bug 377364 I could not confirm the error message in either Jaunty or Maverick. Mark Fix Released Jaunty with stock response?
[05:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 377364 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 2 other projects) "package eucalyptus-nc 1.5~bzr266-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377364
[05:34] <rusivi> Installed in both, error message mentioned did not occur.
[05:39] <rusivi> cannot edit status anyways moving on
[05:45] <micahg> rusivi: we mark invalid if we can't confirm and it was never confirmed
[05:46] <micahg> rusivi: it's an upgrade bug, have you tried installing and then upgrading that package?
[05:47] <micahg> hmmm, no -updates to test with :(
[05:48] <micahg> rusivi: I'd close with the no response stock reply at this point, unless we get some feedback, it probably wont' be SRU'd and a year later, the reporter most likely doesn't care
[05:53] <rusivi> micahg: I am not allowed to toggle the status b/c I'm not maintainer.
[05:53] <rusivi> no big deal
[05:53] <micahg> rusivi: you can't change fix released, but you should be able to change incomplete
[05:53] <rusivi> micahg: I got denied on the incomplete for Jaunty
[05:53] <micahg> that must be new
[05:53] <rusivi> hehe no offense taken here.
[05:54] <rusivi> no big deal
[05:54]  * micahg wonders if it's a bug
[05:54] <micahg> rusivi: so, I'll add the stock response then
[05:55] <rusivi> micahg: sounds good to me
[05:55] <AbhiJit> bye
[05:55] <micahg> rusivi: you can mark it on the hugday page if you want
[05:56] <rusivi> micahg: what is a hugday page?
[05:56] <micahg> or I can do that too
[05:56] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100930
[05:56] <micahg> oh, it's not on it
[05:57] <rusivi> hugday = bugday sorry I got it now
[05:57] <rusivi> *rusivi wishes this was skype... :D)
[05:58] <micahg> why?
[05:59] <rusivi> I'm jk'ing, I am partial to Skype that's all. IRC is cool too
[06:12] <wasnik> hi guys alsa does not work for me. ubuntu does not detect any of my soundcards
[06:12] <micahg> !support | wasnik
[06:12] <ubot2> wasnik: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[06:13] <wasnik> so what is this channel about
[06:13] <wasnik> i felt u guys help on bugs
[06:13] <micahg> wasnik: we help triage and file bugs
[06:14] <micahg> wasnik: #ubuntu can help you see if you have a bug or not, if you do, we can help you file it
[06:29] <rusivi> bug 377632 Just installed it in Jaunty, did not crash.
[06:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 377632 in schism (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 1 other project) "Crash with "stack smashing detected" at start (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 15)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377632
[06:29] <rusivi> Did not crash after opening the program.
[06:32] <micahg> rusivi: I'd say we need more information from the user, maybe an ldd output on the binary?
[06:32] <micahg> perhaps a local library was causing issues
[06:33] <rusivi> micahg: what is ldd output on the binary?
[06:34] <micahg> rusivi: output of: ldd /usr/bin/schism
[06:36] <rusivi> ty
[06:36] <rusivi> just checkin the man page on that one
[08:42] <enav> hi guys... I'm using Linux/ubuntu+eclipse+xdebug to debug my php code...  actually i can see variables in the global scope, but when i try to see variables inside functions they just show empty values... I'm surfed Internet about 2 hour looking for a solution with out success... any suggestion???
[08:43] <micahg> enav: try #ubuntu-server or an eclipse channel maybe
[08:43] <micahg> oops
[08:43] <micahg> enav: maybe not #ubuntu-server, but this certainly isn't the right place
[08:44] <micahg> enav: maybe #pdt
[08:44] <enav> cool
[10:44] <algnod_> jibel, i am looking at Bug #650973 it is one of those bugs that magically happen and cant be reproduced consistently, what do i do? thanks.
[10:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 650973 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Tabs in Firefox close when selected.. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650973
[10:44]  * jibel reading the bug
[10:48] <jibel> algnod_, that's weird. micahg have you already seen that kind of behavior ? ^
[10:49] <jibel> algnod_, I'd ask him to create a new profile a see if it still occurs.
[10:49] <jibel> s/a/and
[10:50] <jibel> algnod_, if he's unable to reproduce it in a reliable way that's hard for a developer to work on a fix.
[10:51] <algnod__> true, but what happens to the bug report, do you just mark it as invalid?
[10:52] <algnod__> jibel, true, but what happens to the bug report, do you just mark it as invalid?
[10:52] <jibel> algnod_, no ask him to try with a new profile and set it to incomplete, we don't know if it's a user error or a real bug, or a plugin causing the crash.
[10:52] <jibel> algnod_, there's maybe something in .xsession-errors, you can ask him to attach this file next time it's happening
[10:53] <jibel> algnod__, there's maybe something in .xsession-errors, you can ask him to attach this file next time it's happening
[10:53] <algnod__> jibel, dumm question, what is  a "new profile"?
[10:54] <jibel> algnod__, it's an empty firefox profile, that means no plugin, no theme, no nothing, it creates a clean firefox session.
[10:55] <jibel> algnod__, there is a specific documentation for firefox at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[10:55] <algnod__> jibel, thanks I will take a look at that
[10:56] <jibel> algnod__, you can manage the firefox profile with "firefox -ProfileManager", be careful to not delete your current profile
[11:03] <AbhiJit> hi
[11:30] <algnod__> jibel, I could easily reproduce Bug #650993 could you take a look at it and mark it as triaged? thanks
[11:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 650993 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) "Game crashes when mouse pointer moved outside its window (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650993
[11:33] <AbhiJit> hi
[11:33] <AbhiJit> this bug is still there in my updated lucid. but tehy say that they have fixed it
[11:33] <AbhiJit> how is that?
[11:33] <AbhiJit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freecol/+bug/609503
[11:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 609503 in freecol (Debian) (and 1 other project) "freecol crashes after some playing (affects: 1) (heat: 113)" [Unknown,Fix released]
[11:38] <yofel> AbhiJit: it's fixed in maverick, not in lucid
[11:38] <jibel> algnoed__, This looks like a duplicate of bug 574876. You can see that by comparing the backtrace in comment #4
[11:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 574876 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "swell-foop segfaults with error 4 in libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0.200.4 (affects: 17) (heat: 94)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574876
[11:38] <jibel> algnod__, ^^
[11:38] <AbhiJit> yofel, :'(
[11:39] <yofel> AbhiJit: you would either have to identify the fix for the problem and to a SRU, or what would be easier maybe request a backport
[11:40] <AbhiJit> yofel, i wll wait for freecol's next version
[11:40] <jibel> algnod__, you were disconnected, in reply to your last comment I said "This looks like a duplicate of bug 574876. You can see that by comparing the backtrace in comment #4"
[11:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 574876 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "swell-foop segfaults with error 4 in libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0.200.4 (affects: 17) (heat: 94)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574876
[11:41] <algnod__> jibel, thanks, how did you know it was a duplicate, did you do a search or were you aware of the other bug?
[11:43] <jibel> algnod__, I usually search for duplicate using google. It's far more efficient than LP text search
[11:43] <jibel> algnod__, You can query google with something like "site:launchpad.net swell-foop"
[11:44] <jibel> algnod__, In this case there is a bt so it's even easier with "site:launchpad.net swell-foop /usr/lib/libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0"
[15:28] <skeeby> hey all
[15:28] <skeeby> anyone participating in hugday tomorrow?
[15:33] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:34] <charlie-tca> skeeby: sure, it all happens right here, too!
[15:34] <skeeby> tomorrow is my first
[15:34] <skeeby> i just joined the community
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Great! Welcome aboard
[15:34] <skeeby> looking forward to getting involved =)
[15:34] <charlie-tca> It is a great way to help out. We can always use help with bugs
[15:35] <skeeby> oh yeah
[15:35] <skeeby> is there anything i should do to get prepared?
[15:36] <skeeby> ive read over and signed the code of conduct, read the triage guide, and im on the mailing list for bugsquad
[15:37] <persia> skeeby, You might want to try triaging a few random bugs just to get a feel for the procedures in practice.
[15:37] <persia> Ask here when you're unsure.  But things can get fast or busy during hug days, so sometimes it's harder to get targeted assistance.
[15:38] <skeeby> yeah i thats why i figured id get prepared today
[15:39] <skeeby> i havent triaged any bugs yet, but ive came across a few of my own after installing 10.10 earlier this week, and provided some feedback on the bugreports that were already listed
[15:41] <charlie-tca> skeeby: this is great information - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[15:42] <skeeby> im actually looking at that right now
[15:43] <skeeby> there was a page i came across yesterday i think that had like 99 hot bugs that have yet to be triaged
[15:43] <skeeby> does that ring a bell?
[15:45] <persia> skeeby, Join #ubuntu-bugs-announce: new bugs show up there, and you can grab one that looks interesting.
[15:45] <persia> Existing lists have probably already been gone over a couple times, so those may be harder.
[15:46] <charlie-tca> I don't which page that was, but here is tomorrows - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100930
[15:49] <micahg> jibel: a middle click can close a tab, so an accidental middle click maybe
[15:50] <jibel> micahg, right, I was thinking about a user error too.
[15:55] <skeeby> ok so i am setting up my tools right now for bugday, and i have to configure postfix
[15:56] <skeeby> ive never used it before, do i wanna just setup my gmail acct with it?
[15:57] <skeeby> i feel like an utter noob asking this...
[15:59] <charlie-tca> I don't use postfix
[16:00] <skeeby> dang
[16:00] <skeeby> it was part of the qa tools package i downloaded
[16:06] <skeeby> when postfix asks for a system mail name, do i just create my own or is this something i need to find somehwere
[16:08] <charlie-tca> usually the domain name used by you
[16:08] <hggdh> skeeby: why would you need postfix? Are you hosting your own email system?
[16:09] <skeeby> no but it was part of the hugday tool package
[16:10] <skeeby> if i dont need to use it even better =p
[16:10] <micahg> hggdh: postfix is pulled in automatically by devscripts by default now I think
[16:11] <hggdh> micahg: oh. I guess never noticed ;-)
[16:11] <skeeby> if its something that is useful for bugs then id like to set it up if it helps
[16:11] <micahg> hggdh: you probably had it installed already ;)
[16:11] <skeeby> but alas ive never used it
[16:11] <hggdh> yep
[16:11] <micahg> (devscripts I mean)
[16:12] <hggdh> skeeby: configure it for local delivery
[16:12] <hggdh> and forget the rest, until you *really* have time to read the docs on it
[16:12] <skeeby> dang
[16:13] <skeeby> so setting it for local only, the system mail name can be whatever i want then right?
[16:14] <jibel> skeeby, or install a nullmailer like nullmailer or ssmtp before installing devscripts.
[16:14] <jibel> postfix is pulled by bsd-mailx.
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> vish, present?
[16:17] <bcurtiswx_> vish, charlie-tca: my other mentee Timmy has also requested to be withdrawn from the mentorship program.  Could you please do so?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> sure
[16:17] <bcurtiswx_> charlie-tca, much thanks
[16:17] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:18] <hggdh> skeeby: you already installed postfix, or are you still installing it?
[16:18] <skeeby> i downloaded the dev packages but im at the config screen for it right now
[16:18] <skeeby> since ive never used it i figured itd be a good idea not to try and configure it till i know what im doing =p
[16:19] <hggdh> ok. give it your computer's name
[16:21] <skeeby> thank you
[16:22] <skeeby> since im new, do u guys suggest signing up for the mentorship program?
[16:22] <skeeby> someone i throw all my noob questions to =p
[16:31] <hggdh> skeeby: you can, of course. But you can also ask here (which we actually like -- your questions and our answers may help others)
[16:31] <hggdh> pretty much like what we are doing now
[16:32] <skeeby> awesome thank you
[16:33] <skeeby> ive got some errands i need to run now but ill be back later to triage some bugs for the first time
[16:55] <pedro_> in case you didn't hear about it http://marjomercado.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/ubuntu-kernel-community-bug-day-tuesday-5-october-2010/
[16:55] <pedro_> let's make JFo happy ;-)
[16:59] <charlie-tca> huh?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Yay! Thanks, pedro_
[17:07] <JFo> :)
[17:13] <vish> bcurtiswx_: haha! i was waiting for you to be freed!
[17:13]  * vish finds new students
[17:29]  * bcurtiswx_ turns on his freenode cloak
[17:30]  * bcurtiswx_ is now knows as SpaceWX
[17:43] <vish> bcurtiswx_: incoming!!!!
[17:43]  * bcurtiswx_ avoids gmail :P
[17:46] <vish> hehe!
[17:47] <devildante> all right vish, you rock at bug day triaging! :)
[17:47] <vish> :)
[17:48]  * vish well, just trying to do half as much as devildante 
[17:48]  * devildante is confused, he didn't triage any jaunty bugs for now :p
[17:49]  * charlie-tca thinks vish knows what is coming though
[17:49] <vish> devildante: exactly!  once you start no one will have any left !
[17:49] <devildante> haha
[17:50] <devildante> I'm not as much available as I was in the Ubuntu Translations hug day :p
[17:52]  * devildante thinks libreoffice git takes a while to be downloaded...
[17:52] <devildante> don't want to know how much time it will take to build :p
[18:19] <vish> hmm , where are the help documentations usually stored ?
[18:19] <vish> ha!
[18:20] <devildante> haha!
[18:20] <devildante> (.... where is it?)
[18:20] <vish> found them, they can run but they cant hide!
[18:20] <vish>  /usr/share/gnome/help
[18:20] <devildante> \o/
[18:20] <bcurtiswx_> LOL --> lots of laughter :P
[18:20] <devildante> LOL = Lots of LOL :p
[18:24] <vish> heh, i just had to dpkg -L pckg  and check where the files were installed and it revealed everything ;p
[18:25] <vish> the min i hit enter on irc i got the thought, i was searching for 15mins before that!
[18:25] <bilalakhtar> Why are the folks laughing here?
[18:26] <vish> bilalakhtar: i think no one knew you were here! ;p
[18:26]  * bilalakhtar wishes to know the cause of the laughter, since the topic started before he came
[18:27] <devildante> bilalakhtar: the only line you missed was: "hmm , where are the help documentations usually stored ?"
[18:27] <bilalakhtar> okay
[18:28] <vish> hmm.. looks like a lot of folks dont hide the join/part messages!  o.0
[18:29] <devildante> why would you want to hide them? they can detect menaces :p
[18:29] <vish> devildante: i never know when someone enters or leaves..  like i dint know what bilalakhtar missed …
[18:29] <vish> it just seems like a lot of scrolling, and i'm too lazy ;p
[18:29] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[18:29] <bilalakhtar> I like to see people joining and leaving channels
[18:30] <bilalakhtar> so that I can monitor activity on my _own_ channels
[18:30] <devildante> you have *your* channels?
[18:30] <bilalakhtar> devildante: yup
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> devildante: #ubuntu-sa, #gnome-media-player
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> devildante: you just joined and left #ubuntu-sa
[18:31] <devildante> I'm not in Saudi Arabia to stay :p
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> yup, I know
[18:32]  * bilalakhtar hates spam on ubuntu-* mailing lists
[18:32] <devildante> wow, did someone here ever try to build libreoffice/openoffice? I'm still at the download part :p
[18:33]  * bilalakhtar tries to stay away from that
[18:33] <charlie-tca> I try not to do that kind of thing, too
[18:49] <AbhiJit> bye
[19:17] <yofel> wth's up with apport? crash bug that's missing the crash... bug 524730
[19:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 524730 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-gpu-error-intel.py crash on startup (affects: 3) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524730
[19:45] <charlie-tca> QA meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 15 minutes
[19:46] <devildante> charlie-tca: if you have something that I need to talk on, please make me first, 'cause I might leave the meeting halfway
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I am not chairing today
[19:47] <rusivi> Was doing a little dusting on bug 24874 and while I am not a Perl guru, it would be nice to keep the way things are but with the option to alias hostname to something 127.0.0.1
[19:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 24874 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[network-admin] aliases hostname to 127.0.0.1 unconditionally (heat: 17)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24874
[19:47] <rusivi> something 127.0.0.1 = something other than 127.0.0.1
[19:48] <charlie-tca> While it is automatically assigned to 127.0.0.1, the user is free to add another hostname line, with any address desired.
[19:49] <charlie-tca> ( I add 127.0.1.1 to all of my systems, with the same hostname as 127.0.0.1 )
[19:50] <rusivi> If I may be so bold, it seems like OP misunderstanding?
[19:51] <rusivi> It seemed that he was GUI-driving the issue and expecting a tailored, macro script response...
[19:51] <charlie-tca> devildante: pedro is back, he will cover the bug day, normally
[19:53] <rusivi> charlie-tca: i'll have to review it more carefully, ty for responding.
[19:53] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:53] <charlie-tca> rusivi: I did not read the bug report.
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I just went from the title. It is necessary to have at least one address assigned to the hostname that remains constant for the operating system to work correctly. 127.0.0.1 was chosen because it is a local only address.
[20:04] <njin> pedro_: hello fellow, yesterday and today i'm testing, no bugs, your request at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/648959
[20:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 648959 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Remove is grayed out for many entries in open with application (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Low,Confirmed]
[20:04] <pedro_> njin, thanks
[20:14] <rusivi> bug#648959 looks WINE related, we may want to "affect project" -> WINE?!
[20:15] <yofel> bug 648959
[20:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 648959 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Remove is grayed out for many entries in open with application (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648959
[20:15] <rusivi> I have noticed the same thing using WINE in the past
[20:16] <njin> rusivi, no is not wine, is general
[20:16] <pedro_> njin, btw those are two bugs
[20:17] <rusivi> njin I am claiming (perhaps ignorantly) that the phenomenon quoted in bug 648959 is caused by WINE
[20:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 648959 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Remove is grayed out for many entries in open with application (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648959
[20:17] <pedro_> one is the multiple instances of applications listed there which is a bug in the application
[20:17] <pedro_> and the other is the remove button grayed out
[20:17] <pedro_> but those are two separates issues and not related at all
[20:18] <njin> ops, yes i've remembered only the grayed romve button
[20:18] <njin> *remove
[20:18] <pedro_> njin, could you perhaps edit it to just track the remove button being disabled there?
[20:19] <pedro_> njin, as me and rusivi said previously the other issue is related to the apps
[20:19] <njin> yes , every duplicated apps
[20:19] <rusivi> pedro_ np
[20:19] <rusivi> :D
[20:20] <pedro_> indeed
[20:20] <pedro_> thanks njin rusivi
[20:20] <njin> pedro_: how can i track that the remove button don't work
[20:34] <pedro_> njin, you might want to open a bug upstream for that
[20:34] <pedro_> njin, probably is due to not having the rights to remove the applications listed there or something
[20:36] <njin> i try with sudo
[20:40] <njin> nothings to do with sudo nautilus, the button doesn't work
[20:46] <njin> pedro_: can we see toghether this bug tomorrow ?, now i've to run anothers three install test and is late here.
[20:47] <pedro_> njin, sure, just ping me later
[20:48] <njin> ok, see tomorrw
[20:48] <njin> good night
[20:49] <pedro_> see you :-)
[20:49] <bcurtiswx_> vish, you only listed one mentee for me on the mentors wiki
[21:13] <intrader> I ran into (in 10.10) with a security blunder - when you mount fat volumes, you allow .COM, .BAT, and .EXE files to be executable.
[21:15] <persia> intrader, That's semi-intentional, and not enabled by default.
[21:15] <intrader> I know, formerly all fat files were executable, but come on, .EXE, .COM, are executable on X86 architectures. Security problem - tell the iranians with their mossad worm
[21:16] <persia> I don't believe WINE yet has sufficient support for most malware, but if it does, and you work with compatible executables, you'll need the same malware detection stuff you'd need in the environment that you're approaching.
[21:17] <intrader> persia, nothing to do with WINE. Just mount a fat volume
[21:17] <persia> Feel free to file a bug if you like.  I don't think there's value in it bring private, but you could get more formal feedback from the security team.
[21:17] <persia> intrader, Doesn't most malware rely on some libraries?
[21:18] <intrader> persia, no, some do. Is there a list for security?
[21:18] <kees> intrader: you can easily disable it, but this is a step forward. as persia said, _everything_ was executable before, including exe/com/bat
[21:19] <yofel> kees: disable it? how? last time I looked at it showexec was hardcoded in udisks (or I'm too blind to find the setting to override it)
[21:19] <intrader> kees, a wrong step forward in my opinion. When a fat is mounted you should then change files with the hash command as first line, to executable would be a solution
[21:20] <persia> kees do you highlight on "security" or are you just omniscient?
[21:20] <intrader> persia, no I am just observant
[21:21] <kees> intrader: you can't change the perms on a CDROM
[21:21] <kees> persia: yeah, I highlight on security :)
[21:22] <kees> yofel: lack of configuration on this certainly seems like a problem.
[21:23] <pnt> anyone running 10.04 that can help me confirm a bug in scanf?
[21:23] <persia> pnt, Do you have a simple test program demonstrating it?
[21:23] <pnt> yeah, hold on
[21:23] <intrader> kees, persia, yofel: what's going on? yofel, it looks like I took a step into a beehive
[21:24] <pnt> int main(int argc, char *argv) { char *buf; scanf("%as", &buf); printf("%s\n", buf); return 0; }
[21:24] <persia> Expected?  Actual?
[21:25] <intrader> kees, sorry, not when you mount, when open occurs.
[21:25] <kees> intrader: it's part of a long discussion, yes. basically, vfat via CDROM aren't executable. but Wine folks want to be able to run them.
[21:26] <kees> intrader: without Wine, those programs are pretty meaningless, so it's not a big deal if you don't have Wine. if you do, well, it's just like anything else, don't run binaries you don't trust.
[21:26] <persia> pnt, I get some warnings during compilation, but it seems to do what it says on the box.
[21:26] <pnt> persia, i expect it to allocated a string and store the result
[21:26] <persia> kees, I think intrader's point is that if one has an executable .COM that requires no libraries (pure machine code), and one attempts to execute it, it might execute.
[21:27] <kees> persia: right, but that's no different than inserting an ext3 usb stick that has exec perms
[21:27] <intrader> kees, to watch out for binaries you don't trust makes sense, but for the system to make .COM and .EXE executable, well that is another thing
[21:28] <persia> kees, Absolutely.
[21:28] <persia> intrader, The trick is a balance between helping the user not shoot themselves in the foot and allowing them to trim their toenails with firearms.
[21:30] <intrader> persia, you are right. The problem arouse when I copied a shell file to execute smalltalk's pharo, and in 10.10 it no longer works because .sh files are not executable in the context menu (in fact in 10.10, it offers no context option to 'Open' a shell file)
[21:30] <pnt> anyone running 10.04 with  libc6-i686 2.11.1-0ubuntu7.2 ??
[21:31] <pnt> please message me if you are running said config and can help confirm a bug in scanf
[21:31] <kees> pnt: I can be; what's the output you get?
[21:32] <pnt> kees: see priv msg
[21:33] <kees> pnt: let's stay here, in case other people want to join in. :)
[21:33] <kees> pnt: it works fine for me.
[21:33] <pnt> #include <stdio.h>
[21:33] <pnt> #include <stdlib.h>
[21:33] <pnt> #include <errno.h>
[21:33] <pnt> #include <unistd.h>
[21:33] <pnt> int main(int argc, char *argv)
[21:33] <pnt> { char *buf; scanf("%as", &buf); printf("%s\n", buf); return 0;
[21:33] <pnt> }
[21:33] <pnt> try to run that
[21:34] <pnt> you should be able to type a string and have it printed back
[21:34] <kees> pnt: right, it works fine for me.
[21:34] <kees> pnt: what behavior are you seeing?
[21:34] <yofel> works fine without the #includes, but with them I get garbage back
[21:34] <pnt> what does it look like if you do ldd on the a.out?
[21:35] <pnt> im getting crap back
[21:35] <intrader> yofel, nothing has bee assigned to buf
[21:35] <pnt> let me try it without the includes
[21:35] <pnt> yeah, works without the includes
[21:35] <yofel> intrader: shouldn't scanf assign it? (I don't have much c experience..)
[21:35] <kees> pnt: you're not checking the result of the scanf
[21:36] <pnt> i'll see what one is screwing it up
[21:36] <kees> http://paste.ubuntu.com/502844/
[21:36] <yofel> stdio.h is messing it up
[21:36] <intrader> yofel, I am not sure of this, but argv should be assigned to buf.
[21:36] <pnt> yeah, stdio
[21:36] <kees> pnt: compile with -Wall
[21:37] <yofel> intrader: the app reads from stdin, not the parameters
[21:37] <intrader> I have not done C in 20 years at least
[21:37] <pnt> yeah, see that, fixed it
[21:37] <pnt> stdio is still messing it up though
[21:40] <yofel> kees: what's '#define _GNU_SOURCE' btw?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:40] <yofel> hey BUGabundo
[21:41] <kees> yofel: makes all the extra fun things in glibc available
[21:41] <kees> yofel: it's just part of my standard boiler plate
[21:42] <kees> pnt: can you pastebin the program you're using that breaks?
[21:42] <pnt> kees: #define _GNU_SOURCE fixes it
[21:42] <kees> pnt: the "real" cause is the lack of return code checking on the scanf call :)
[21:43] <kees> pnt: without _GNU_SOURCE this happens if you check the return:
[21:43] <kees> $ ./scanf
[21:43] <kees> hello
[21:43] <kees> Did not read a string
[21:43] <pnt> http://pastebin.com/scMeLttb
[21:43] <pnt> i agree about the error checking and all, but it shouldn't be failing :)
[21:46] <pnt> http://pastebin.com/UCEUrgzy
[21:46] <pnt> with the error checking
[22:04] <kees> pnt: the "a" is a GNU extension.
[22:08]  * yofel completely missed the a..