=== bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [00:08] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/maverick/gnome-themes/gnome-themes-2.32.0/+merge/36939 [00:30] No Eastern Edition, then? [00:32] ? [00:32] There'd normally be a Desktop team meeting: Eastern Edition (for all of us in the future). [00:33] ohh, ok [00:34] heh [00:35] By the looks of it, Rick hasn't been around for 6 hours or so, at least that is his idle time. [00:39] [UPDATING] gnome-screensaver [00:43] hey RAOF [00:43] hey TheMuso [00:43] I've been around [00:43] however, I haven't had time to prepare for the meeting and such :( [00:43] * rickspencer3 looks at meeting wiki === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [00:49] RAOF, TheMuso? [00:49] Yep [00:50] Yah. [00:50] Sorry; I'm pondering if shouting at this code will make it reveal where it's returning a BadDrawable without printing something to Xorg.0.log. :) [00:51] WHERE ARE YOU RETURNING BADDRAWABLE! [00:51] * rickspencer3 POUNDS FIST ON DESK [00:51] just doing what I can to help RAOF [00:51] Ta :) [00:52] RAOF, TheMuso so, I have nothing to add to the meeting minutes, except a couple of things [00:52] 1. the new font is in! depending on testing, it may get set to be default for maverick [00:52] 2. UDS ... [00:53] so, we started some discussion on @u-d regarding the different tracks [00:53] so, around next week, it will be time to start creating blueprints [00:54] Right. [00:55] TheMuso, it looks like your rotation is going through ok, but lynda is out this week [00:55] Ok. [00:55] but sabdfl and dbarth and everybody ack'ed it [00:55] Sweet. [00:55] so, I don't foresee any problems [00:56] rickspencer3: I'd like to announce this to the accessibility community. Should I wait for official word/the official ok before doing so? [00:56] TheMuso, well ... [00:56] I think it's fine to mention that you are planning on it [00:57] and it looks like it is going to happen [00:57] but maybe leave the 5% wiggle room in case something goes haywire [00:57] Ok sounds good. [00:57] Yep [00:57] but really, I don't foresee any issues [00:57] of course, I rarely do :/ [00:57] TheMuso, I'm happy for you [00:58] I think it will be fun and useful, and a much deserved break from routine [00:58] Yeah, should be good. David emailed me regarding the project the other day, I am yet to respond, been busy with bugs/final freeze stuff. [00:58] Intend to get back to him today. [00:58] sounds great [00:59] Yeah, need to start reading up on the mystery that is atk... [00:59] ...and clutter + cally [01:00] You're going to be a11y-ing unity (or something similar)? Cool! [01:00] RAOF: pretty much. [01:03] I really should install it, and get used to it in its current state. [01:07] chrisccoulson, did your patch for gnome-screensaver Don't crash on systems that don't support XF86VM or XRANDR gamma fade get backported to 2.30.0 (im getting patch failures on build) [01:07] for 2.30.1 [01:12] folks, it's been a looong dy [01:13] time for me to go to real life [01:13] rickspencer3: good night [01:13] unless RAOF or TheMuso need something [01:13] nite rickspencer3 [01:13] desrt! [01:13] Good night! [01:13] Fine here. [01:13] rickspencer!! [01:13] thanks bcurtiswx :) [01:13] desrt, Orlando? [01:13] ya. of course [01:13] booked my tix today [01:13] chouette [01:14] took me a second to figure out what you were trying to say :) [01:14] :) [01:14] have a good night :) [01:14] g'night all [02:59] I've installed 10.04 AMD64 on an Intel core i3 laptop inside of Win7....on boot, Ubuntu hangs....any known issues? [03:13] any xfce / xubuntu experts about ? [03:14] Not an expert, but might have an answer [03:14] do you know what controls the layout of the menu up at the top ? IE Applications / firefox icon ... etc ? [03:15] I do not. but the experts in #xubuntu-devel probably do [03:15] ok thanks charlie-tca .. I'll wander over there [03:15] sorry to chase you around [03:16] o it's ok .. all part of the fun! [07:47] Good morning [08:26] good morning [08:27] Aloha didrocks [08:27] hey RAOF [08:30] sabdfl: we'll SRU the missing Klingon glyphs, won't we? [08:31] Qapla'! [08:31] hey pitti ;) [08:31] bonjour didrocks [08:31] you will patch the font to get Klingon support? :) [08:31] good morning seb128 [08:31] nah [08:31] hey ara didrocks pitti [08:32] salut seb128 [08:32] seb128, I tried to run "unity -p" in the machine where quadrapassel was failing, and it fails as well [08:32] hey pitti, didrocks [08:32] * pitti waves to ara and seb128 [08:32] ara: Yeah, I've hunted that down. [08:32] ara, ok, so seems it's either a clutter or xorg issue [08:32] It's a mesa issue. [08:32] I saw some bug report about quadrapssel failing under UNE [08:33] RAOF has the answer :) [08:33] tried yesterday and can't reproduce with my card/driver [08:33] But, of course, it's a mesa issue in resource clean up, so I'd like to ensure that I don't cause memory leaks in the process of fixing it. [08:37] pitti: i hope so. those Klingons can be short-tempered [08:37] we're negotiating a copyright assignment from the Klingon Federation right now [08:38] sabdfl: hahahahaa [08:39] mvo, hey [08:39] mvo, great work on software-center this cycle ;-) [08:41] hey dpm [08:41] hey seb128, morning [08:41] sabdfl: the guys that they send when they have a grudge are usually NOT lawyers, though [08:42] mvo: hey, for your information, desktopcouch is now syncing! and I got my oneconf machines synced!!! ;) [08:45] seb128: thanks :) [08:45] didrocks: really?!? [08:45] mvo: yeah, for real :) [08:47] cool, I had given up hope already ;) [08:47] * mvo tries it out once again [08:50] mvo: do you have some data with an old oneconf version (old == before the first packaged version)? (I slightly changed the format and I need to fix it today as I was synced with an old machine) [08:51] didrocks: possible, but i'm not sure, how do I find out? [08:52] mvo: you will have a oneconf-service crash when clicking on inventory on ubuntu one, but the window should appear :) [08:53] didrocks: its something else then, look like a issue somewhere deep inside /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/ubuntuone/api/restclient.py and libproxy and ctypes [08:53] getProxies() [08:54] yeah, that's one call I'm making in the settings dialog [08:54] it looks like its crashing while calling px_proxy_factory_get_proxies() [08:55] ha! [08:55] unset http_proxy [08:55] it's unset there [08:55] bang, now again [08:56] again in libproxy === asac_ is now known as asac === doko_ is now known as doko === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [11:37] mvo, hi [11:38] mvo, could the software center notify of finished aptd transactions (stuff being installed) if someone triggered the operation then closed the software center? [11:54] didrocks: ok, seb128 left, so question for you :-) [11:55] didrocks: I'm going to release pango 1.28.3 which will require gobject-introspection 0.9.5. The only change in there, though, is a change to fix the build with recent versions of gobject-introspection [11:55] didrocks: I guess you won't care much? [11:55] jcastro: awesome post! [11:56] vuntz: well, as we don't have gobject-introspection 0.9.5 and if the only change is to fix building with this one, I think we won't care much, right :) [11:56] ♥ banshee ♥ [11:57] vuntz: thanks for the info ;) === cking is now known as cking-afk [12:24] zyga: hello, yes, that can be done. sofware-center will also pick up the transaction if you open it later (if the transaction is still runinng of couse) [12:25] mvo, right, I realize it can be done, I'm just (lazily) pointing out that it's something that could probably give lots of benefit [12:27] dpm: not sure what's the process for invalid translation: bug #650722 [12:27] Launchpad bug 650722 in unity "MAJOR error in french translation (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650722 [12:28] didrocks, reassign to language-pack-gnome-fr [12:28] didrocks, you might want to assign to ubuntu-l10n-fr as well [12:28] or whatever is the french translation team name in launchpad [12:29] seb128, didrocks we tend not to assign bugs to language packs [12:29] in translations [12:29] zyga: indeed, food of thought for mpt :) [12:29] we rather add an ubuntu-translations task [12:29] and assign it to the teams [12:29] ok, doing then [12:29] thanks seb128 and dpm :) [12:29] the team names are always ubuntu-l10n-$CODE [12:30] I've just done that [12:30] seeing that, thanks! [12:30] dpm, I tend to assign to langpacks ;-) [12:30] :) [12:30] dpm, should we just mark the task invalid and open an ubuntu-translations one rather? === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [12:32] seb128, the translations task has already been open. As for marking the unity task as invalid, I'll leave it up to didrocks to decide :). I think it's useful to have it, to know which project or package is affected, but the maintainer might have another view [12:33] (already marked as invalid :p) [12:33] there you go :) [12:33] just left there, but I like and try get a NEW status cleaned [12:33] dpm, well it's not a bug in unity, that's why I usually reassign to the langpacks [12:33] mvo, ping [12:35] seb128, that's fine, but I'd suggest reassigning it to ubuntu-translations then, as then we have an overview of translations bugs there. It's much easier than to follow the bugs for all language packs [12:35] dpm, well ubuntu-translations is a project no? [12:35] dpm, you can't reassign an ubuntu task to a project [12:35] hey aquarius [12:35] you either need to close it or reassign to an ubuntu source [12:36] dpm, but yeah, gotcha you guys care about having an ubuntu-translations task, whatever we do with the ubuntu task doesn't matter a lot [12:36] mvo, we're starting to roll out the fixes to desktopcouch now; didrocks tells me you're still having problems, and I just want to clarify what your problem is so that I can know that it's one of the things that the rollouts will fix :) [12:37] seb128, ah, I see, I hadn't thought of that. Yeah, so reassigning to langpack and adding an ubuntu-translations task might then be best [12:37] aquarius: in a nutshell its not syncing [12:38] mvo, I could use a slightly bigger nutshell than that :) [12:38] aquarius: haha, sure. hold on a sec I will pastebin the output of /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-service [12:38] dpm, ok, great, thanks [12:38] mvo, syncing is overrated ;-) [12:38] seb128, sssssh! don't say that! you'll make me cry :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:39] aquarius: it *looks* like the problem is that I need to register this (new) machine on the web, but none of the gtk tools told me that, the u1 control panel says its connected [12:42] mvo, if the control panel says it's connected then DC picks up on that, so I suspect that isn't quite the problem. If you can pastebin I'll take a look [12:42] aquarius: "INFO:root:This machine hasn't authorized itself to Ubuntu One; replication to the cloud isn't possible until it has. See 'ubuntuone-client-applet'." <- but the applet tells me nothing (and there is no such command). I feel a bit stupid now, what knob did I forgot to turn? [12:42] wtf? [12:42] * aquarius does the scratchy-head thing [12:42] aquarius: the ubuntuone panel in preference tells me that "bod" (my machine) is connected [12:42] ah [12:42] a lightbulb goes on [12:43] need to clarify something with chipaca :) [12:45] (the error message needs updating to not refer to the applet, oops :)) [12:45] ok :) [12:46] I know what the problem is, I just need to find out what the status of the fix is. It's all SSO's fault. :-) [12:47] aquarius, hey btw ;-) keep your nice work I'm sure one day desktopcouch will work for somebody ;-) [12:47] seb128, that's the Holy Grail I'm aiming for. :) [12:47] ;-) [12:47] that is works for somebody? or for everybody ;) ? [12:48] it works for *some* people now, promise [12:48] some being kenvandine? ;-) [12:48] I'm sure you paid him to say that it works for him! [12:48] ;-) [12:49] I'm too busy paying ken for all the other stuff he does for me, let alone that, hehe [13:15] seb128, i did this last night https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/maverick/gnome-themes/gnome-themes-2.32.0/+merge/36939 [13:18] bcurtiswx, thanks [13:19] seb128, NP. off to work. wee [13:19] see you! [13:21] mornin [13:23] aquarius: hi [13:23] aquarius: what? [13:26] Nouveau can't handle unity apparently? too bad [13:26] mvo, which version of desktopcouch do you have? [13:27] 0.6.8-0ubuntu1 [13:29] Chipaca, ^ [13:31] yes [13:31] there should be a new version RSN [13:31] I was expecting it to be in the archive already [13:31] need to check on that [13:31] Chipaca: seems like is not... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch [13:33] I can build myself or instlal from a ppa if that helps? [13:35] mterry: some people can get it, but most of people trying seem to fail, right [13:35] didrocks, oh, it's good enough on some cards, but not others? Interesting [13:35] didrocks, seems like unity doesn't stress cards too much. seems odd [13:36] mterry: yeah, some people were telling that they happily run it. [13:36] mterry: well, there is the direct GL calls too [13:36] are* [13:37] mvo: if you want to build, this is the branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/maverick/desktopcouch/0.6.9 [13:38] mvo, dget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56680222/desktopcouch_0.6.9-0ubuntu1.dsc? [13:38] Chipaca, it is in the unapproved queue [13:38] mvo, it's in the unapproved queue [13:38] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= [13:38] hey seb128 [13:38] hello kenvandine [13:39] kenvandine: any idea why is unapproved? [13:40] nessita, because we are frozen for RC [13:40] nothing get it until RC is out [13:40] and only selected updates will be accepted between RC and release [13:41] seb128: isn't there any way of getting this in? desktopcouch will not work on RC for U1 otherwise [13:41] no [13:41] CDs images have been rolled yesterday [13:42] there will be no respin out of blocker bugs [13:42] Oh noes. /me just chose the wrong hard drive to erase during ISO testing [13:42] this is not really a blocker for the CD and doesn't warrant restarting spinning all isos and testing them again [13:42] mterry, urg :-( [13:43] seb128: I understand. Thanks for the info :-) [13:43] Hopefully I have a recent workable backup [13:52] nessita, seb128: thanks, I have it now installed, its giving more output, unfortunately still a bunch of ServerError: (400, ('invalid_consumer', 'Invalid consumer (key or signature method).')) [13:53] mvo: yeah, that's a server issue me and thisfred are working on [13:53] aha, ok [13:54] mvo: the fact that you have a 400 means the desktop part "worked" (server bug is #648921) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:03] seb128: that tomboy menu bug you 'Low'ed breaks tomboy for derivatives like xubuntu, which don't ship app indicators [14:04] jcastro, I just lowered the tomboy task because it seemed to be an appindicator issue [14:04] ah [14:04] jcastro, feel free to change the settings [14:04] actually I was hoping for help on that one. :) [14:04] but I doubt the settings will make a difference on who does what on that [14:04] yeah, I just saw the one person complaining [14:05] it just need somebody to work on it [14:05] didrocks, when une fails on the livecd, because of graphics, the fallback requires typing in the user name in gdm [14:05] didrocks, which is weird, people might not know the username is ubuntu... [14:05] jcastro, well xubuntu probably doesn't ship mono either [14:05] not sure what causes that... do we hide that user from the gdm list somehow? [14:05] seb128: I heard ken needs something to do today [14:05] jcastro, it's probably the sort of issue we can sru [14:05] * jcastro runs [14:05] didrocks, good news is it worked :) [14:05] jcastro, it doesn't need to be fixed on the CD [14:05] * kenvandine smacks jcastro [14:05] :) [14:05] kenvandine: this is a gdm issue on the live, not une :) [14:05] kenvandine, I just filed bug 651085 about that [14:05] Launchpad bug 651085 in netbook-meta (Ubuntu) "When installing UNE, not clear what to do when GPU isn't supported (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651085 [14:05] didrocks, i figured... [14:06] kenvandine: but it's still better than before where there was a crash :) [14:06] didrocks, the fallback is nice though :) [14:06] indeed [14:06] good work [14:06] heh, thanks :) [14:08] kenvandine: it's not ubuntu-meta, it's gdm [14:08] oupss, mterry ^^ [14:09] didrocks, OK, will move [14:10] it's a general issue when you logout in the live session [14:12] hum, maybe that's because I'm writing .dmrc btw [14:12] * didrocks thinks harder [14:12] need to try the desktop live again :) [14:13] i can test that... [14:13] should i remove the .dmrc and restart gdm? [14:13] kenvandine: yes please! :) [14:13] sure [14:13] i just started booting une live in a VM [14:13] :) [14:13] hum, you will have autologin I guess [14:14] it will fallback [14:14] yeah, but it will create .dmrc then :p [14:14] oh... yeah [14:14] the .dmrc is created by the fallback in fact [14:14] so that it chooses the gnome session then [14:14] i removed it after the fallback [14:14] yeah, but it will be too late :) [14:14] but of course that just causes a loop [14:14] gdm will have been restarted! [14:15] actually it does work [14:15] hum, can you change the default in /etc/gdm/custom.conf ? [14:15] oh really? [14:15] yeah [14:15] so, it doesn't ask for a username? [14:15] so after the fallback, i dropped to a console and removed .dmrc [14:15] and restarted gdm [14:15] it then prompted me a second time to install or try ubuntu [14:15] ok, it doesn't trigger the autologin then… weird :) [14:15] and clicking on try sent me into gnome [14:16] hum [14:16] which i don't understand [14:16] since the .dmrc isn't there anymore [14:16] that's another bug I guess :) [14:16] oh [14:16] there is the gdm cache one! [14:16] ah [14:16] it is a little ugly though, since you have to answer the try/install question again [14:16] /var/cache/gdm/ubuntu/dmrc [14:17] yeah, but it's not the solution :) [14:17] yeah [14:17] I just want to know if it's asking the username as a side effect of having a .dmrc [14:17] * didrocks grabs his test computer again [14:17] desktop cd, logout [14:18] and see if ubuntu is prefiled or not === zyga is now known as zyga-cold [14:24] * mterry has to run out for a bit [14:29] later mterry [14:30] kenvandine: yeah, it's the same in the desktop cd as well [14:31] IIRC, we got it prefilled, with just "log in" and no username [14:31] seb128: does it ring a bell or was I dreaming? ^ [14:32] didrocks, what? [14:32] seb128: when you logout in the live session and get to gdm [14:32] seb128: IIRC, we got just the "login" button and no need to enter a username [14:32] I think that's the case yes [14:32] let me test [14:33] ok, it's not on the RC [14:33] what? it doesn't work? [14:33] * didrocks fetches beta CD [14:33] yeah, I have to enter the username [14:33] I'm starting a lucid iso in kvm [14:34] oh, if you still have one, that's great :) [14:36] I'm also sure it was still the case on beta, just downloading it to confirm [14:38] didrocks, on lucid I get a "log in" button [14:38] when clicking on it it asks for username and password [14:38] oh, it still asks for username [14:38] but only a log in button at start, and now we have directly username prompt [14:38] hence the surprize [14:39] didrocks, right, that's a fix in the new gdm [14:39] but no noticeable difference for the experience at the end (in the good way) [14:39] users complaining to have to click on a "log in" button which is useless [14:39] right, makes sense [14:39] but on the live, people don't know they should enter "ubuntu" as a username, we should have some bugs about that already [14:40] as it was also the case in lucid [14:40] do you think it should be fixed? (I'm not sure) [14:41] didrocks, seb128, you'll have GTK3 in Maverick+1, right ? [14:41] didrocks, I think we have other issues to work on that fixing logout on livecd [14:41] cassidy, by default you mean? [14:41] yep [14:41] cassidy, that's the plan yes [14:41] I'm going to drop GTK 2 compat in Empathy master [14:41] too many API changes in GTK3, I can't keep both [14:41] seb128: yeah, I agree, it's just pretty weird with the case your netwook doesn't support 3D, but well :) the experience [14:43] cassidy, ok [14:43] and 2.91.0 is supposed to build with GTK3 so... [14:44] cassidy, we will get gtk3 for sure on the CD next cycle [14:44] great, thx [14:44] we might still have gtk2 as well but that's not sure [14:44] we will see how much we can transition [14:45] * didrocks see tons of WI about "handling gtk2/3 on the CD" :) [14:50] didrocks, rodrigo_: hum, the ubuntu one email in french has no title nor sender [14:50] it's displayed as an empty list in the inbox [14:50] list -> line [14:50] * didrocks opens [14:51] seb128, hmm, looking [14:51] right… [14:51] kenvandine, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=622134 [14:51] Gnome bug 622134 in general "PiTiVi constantly crashes when zooming in the track" [Blocker,New] [14:51] seb128, I checked several languages, not sure if the French one [14:51] kenvandine, can you get that fix uploaded? [14:52] kenvandine, upstream request, the fix is in the last comment and the launchpad bug is listed [14:52] kenvandine, it's a goocanvas one [14:53] * seb128 fixes tomboy indicator patch to have its string translatable [14:53] it's not listed in the potfiles so not in the template :-( [14:54] seb128, sure [15:03] rodrigo_: there is an addition empty line, I think that's what is wrong, checking other languages [15:04] didrocks, yes, checking also [15:05] rodrigo_: ok, it was the only one. Fixed there. We know now that you hate French people :) [15:05] no, I don't, je vous aime :-) [15:05] but there were so many languages, that I just checked a few [15:06] and talked with dpm so that the translators will check them [15:06] didrocks, so, you've fixed it? [15:06] rodrigo_: yeah, it's fixed :) [15:06] ok [15:06] thanks! [15:06] yw ;) [15:06] seb128: is there a bug report about it? [15:06] didrocks, no [15:06] I just noticed it there [15:07] ok, commit to bzr for now, will wait if others things happen before uploading [15:07] ok [15:17] seb128: which of the build failures in lucas's test rebuild did you want to fix. sorry, didn't make notes about it [15:21] doko_, gnome-applets [15:22] well we have a fix for this one, we can probably help on some others as time permit [15:22] doko_, apport is a false positive according to pitti [15:22] mterry, can you work on the desktop-webmail and devhelp ones? [15:23] chrisccoulson, do you still plan to work on telepathy-glib? [15:23] seb128 - yeah, i'll get back on to that one now actually [15:23] seb128, yes... reading backlog [15:24] doko_, ^ we will work on those to start, we might help on some others once those are done [15:24] mterry, same as yesterday, ftbfs on http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi [15:24] mterry, thanks! [15:24] seb128, yup [15:24] chrisccoulson, thanks [15:25] mterry, btw did you note the updates you did that didn't get sponsored? [15:25] mterry, we can get some of those in between rc and release [15:25] seb128, I believe just brasero and meld [15:26] mterry, ok, and gnome-applets [15:26] seb128, oh sure for the ftbfs [15:26]