=== jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === _Techie_ is now known as _TechAway_ [00:31] New bug: #650721 in bind9 (main) "dnssec-keygen hangs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650721 === Darkomen_ is now known as Darkomen [00:41] oh nice.. maverick 32 bit vm doesn't even show plymouth [00:41] barely flashed on before the login prompt showed up [01:14] Trying to do updates on a 10.04 server box. have googled the problem, not gotten anywhere. While extracting the archives, I am told "No space left on device." "device" in this case being /usr. /var has 18GB free, /usr has 464MB free, /tmp has 873MB free. Anyone have any idea what's going on? [01:20] must go for now...only have one network connection at this site. === ivoks is now known as ivoks-afk [01:51] yo. I'm finding Ubuntu 10.04 Server's Samba options/setup seems about twice as involved as setting up an OpenSuse box was. Is there any recommended reading/info for all the new options/setup that the smb.conf is throwing at me? [01:52] @The_Paco check this page, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba [01:55] sebikul, thanks. I'm digging through it's links for more info on setting up a WINS server, but I'm not sure if I should bother doing that again [01:57] I'm trying to serve one shared folder of files across a VPN tunnel (that doesn't support subnet bridging, unfortunately) so that all our windows xp boxes can see it. WINS seems to be unsuited for that. Is there something I should look to instead? We're a small business with no AD service or anything like that yet [01:59] mmm, i dont know how to do that, i only have experience with small home networks [02:01] *nods* ditto [02:01] Question: I have a machine thats spewing out kernel messages into my terminal, i can still use the terminal but these line keep appearing, how do i make them stop!? [02:03] I was halfway through using OpenSuse 11.2 and having it set up, but the X11 crap kept crashing and it was just too much for the hardware I had. I was finding there that I'd need to have a server on each side serving wins and sharing wins routing tables between them. Ubuntu's Samba seems to have bigger ideas, and a lot of options I'm not seeing in the old online oreilley books, either. [02:08] you can try using gadmin-samba to set-up your network, you can find it in the synaptic, i am almost sure you will be able to do it using it [02:08] The_Paco: one share? that's pretty easy [02:09] The_Paco: what's the problem? there are a zillion guides out there for that [02:12] The_Paco: but i would recommend the ubuntu server guide [02:12] sebikul, I'll check it out, thanks; pmatulis, well, in this case I was trying to enable and allow all the windows machines to see each other using SFS, with a set of crap routers that won't bridge subnets. I had half a solution with one wins server that both routers would point to, but the other subnets systems would not transmit to or acknowledge it, regardless of their settings. Rather than have two systems using 2% of their power running wins and k [02:12] eeping a decentralized and insecure windows SMB environment, I'm now checking out my options for using something a little more centralized with individual logins/shares/security levels. [02:13] they could resolve share names on the other side of the router, but wouldn't share their own or 'see' the shares in network neighborhood, I mean === _TechAway_ is now known as _Techie_ [03:52] New bug: #650779 in php5 (main) "stream_context_create + file_get_content doesn't retrieve full file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650779 === zz_sailerboy is now known as sailerboy [04:15] Hey guys any idea why this would be happening: http://dpaste.com/250320/ look at lines 5, and 8 [04:37] New bug: #650795 in samba (main) "Third share is always read-only" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650795 [05:09] Hello. [05:09] Nice to see there is a server chanel as well. To much man ls going on in the other. [05:09] I am getting strange errors with ubuntu-vm-builder on lucid. Can someone in here helo me figure out whats going on, please? http://pastie.org/1188100 [05:10] Fresh install of the package [05:10] Networking is setup and ready to go with a br0 interface and all [05:13] n3kl: I think it's pissed off because $LANG isn't set [05:13] I wondered? should that get passed somewhere, or do I need to setup my locales? [05:13] It should be set automagically by pam_environment or pam_ in lucid [05:14] How did you log in? [05:14] More to the point: check if $LANG is set in that shell. [05:15] ssh [05:15] no [05:15] $LANG is not set [05:16] so, what should it be set to, and where do I set it? [05:16] seems strange that I should have to change anything with pam to build a vm, no? [05:16] en_AU.utf8, where "en" is your language code and "AU" is your country code [05:17] Check "locale -a" for a list of valid languages [05:17] C and Posix. [05:17] so I need to modify /etc/locales and run locale-gen, eh? [05:18] Just run this for now: [05:18] LC_ALL=C LANG=C ubuntu-vm-builder kvm lucid [05:18] Looking much better [05:18] If that works, you can deal with locales later. If it still fails, you need to report the bug against ubuntu-vm-builder because I don't know what's going on [05:18] OK, then just report a bug against it saying that it assumes $LANG is set [05:19] and include that backtrace that you pastebinned [05:19] Cool, thank you [05:28] hello everyone [06:12] <_Techie_> is there a max speed set on the repo's? [06:15] <_Techie_> as im getting about one tenth the speed ive clocked downloads running at [06:17] Are you using your ISP or university's tertiary mirror? [06:17] <_Techie_> im using whatever mirror that the installation chooses, its a server located in a datacenter [06:19] Well, obviously the first thing to do is confirm that it's pointing to a nearby mirror [06:20] yes [06:20] <_Techie_> im using us.archive.ubuntu.com [06:23] <_Techie_> how can i determine the closest mirror to the server? [06:24] In Debian there's a machine-readable list of mirrors that apt-spy(8) uses, and synaptic appears to have something similar built-in, but I don't know how you're supposed to do it on Ubuntu Server. [06:24] As for me, I know /a priori/ where my nearest mirror is. [06:25] twb`: where is the list for debian? [06:25] I can't remember [06:25] somewhere on www.d.o [06:25] I tried netselect-apt once [06:26] but it didn't find any mirrors [06:26] http://www.debian.org/mirror/index.en.html [06:26] ...except I thought it was text/plain, so maybe I misremember or it has changed [06:44] just verifying here, if I use mounting options to mount a directory to another directory ont he disk, then it's affectively that the one directory is in two palces at once [06:44] right? [06:45] Kaelten: if you mean `mount --bind [...]` then the answer is yes [06:46] joschi /var/www/uploads/attachments /var/www/uploads/170 bind defaults,bind 0 0 [06:46] in fstab [06:46] assuming thats the same thing [06:46] it is [06:46] fun..... [06:46] Usually a symlink is a better idea [06:47] If only because it's less confusing for other sysadmins [06:47] ya, I'm reversing someone elses work so I can move it to a new server [06:47] if I mount bind a parent dir binding identical sub dirs would have no effect I'm assuming [06:47] like if /x and /y are bound and then I did /x/a and /y/a [06:47] it'd really just be a wasted mount [06:48] yes [06:48] but what would happen if I went after that and then did /y/a /y/b [06:48] twb`: symlinks have some short comings though. not every program likes symbolic links plus a bind mount doesn't need another inode [06:49] Kaelten: you mean `mount --bind /y/a /y/b`? [06:49] yes [06:49] after having already bound /x and /y and then binding /x/a and /y/a [06:49] Kaelten: you'd have /x/a -> /x/b also since /x and /y are the same directory [06:50] Kaelten: just think of it as /x and /y being "views" on the same on-disk data [06:50] binding /x/a to /y/a is not possible, since when there's /x/a there's automatically /y/a [06:50] persumably ubuntu just ignores the impossiblity [06:51] or lets it do it anyway [06:51] that has nothing to do with ubuntu itself but with the linux kernel (or more precisely the posix layer of the respective file systems) [06:52] right [06:52] I really wish this was more straightforward [06:52] it was done ass backwards [06:52] joschi: OTOH NFS doesn't like bind mounts [06:52] And df, find -xdev and friends will not necessarily do what you expect. [06:53] I guess I'm just saying be careful [06:53] I just need rsync to work properly [06:54] rsyncd or rsync-over-ssh? [06:54] the latter [06:55] In what way is it failing? [06:55] it's not yet [06:55] but I just realized that instead of writing something that'd copy the files betwen the dirs or any number of other soltuions [06:56] they setup 8 interconnecting binds [07:35] <\sh> why do we still enable apache2 httpd TRACE method by default? Any Reason? This Method is only useful in testing environments, but not for production ready systems, and will always be raised by External Security Audits... [07:43] * pennyless is away: Gone away for now [08:08] \sh: I don't think trace has been allowed for a long time. do you have some examples of it working? === twb` is now known as twb [08:09] <\sh> kees: looks like it was still enabled on jaunty, but lucid does has a default of TraceEnable Off... [08:10] <\sh> I was looking on a jaunty webserver ... sorry [08:10] \sh: ah, good. yeah, I was looking at /etc/apache2/conf.d/security and couldn't tell if I changed it manually or not [08:11] <\sh> well, I got the results of our Security Audit and they were complaining about that setting...but I'm still running jaunty on our production servers, which will be changed during the next three months... [08:12] * kees goes to bed for real now. [08:12] <\sh> kees: btw...do you have any clue about rdesktop on linux in combination with rdp SSL/TLS connections towards Windows Servers? [08:13] \sh: I haven't used it myself, but let me ask a friend that uses rdesktop a lot [08:13] <\sh> kees: that would be great...thx for that :) [08:14] np, I'll email you when he answers me tomorrow :) [08:14] <\sh> kees: thx :) [08:16] \sh: oh, he's still up. says he just uses regular rdp, no ssl [08:16] \sh: he's on a vpn so he hasn't bothered digging into it when it was introduced [08:16] <\sh> kees: oh well...I need to enable ssl/tls on the windows server side, and I don't know if that works...well, I have to test it somehow then [08:16] cool. good luck! :) [08:16] * kees really really going to bed now. g'night [08:16] <\sh> kees: have a good night :) [08:18] \sh: maybe check http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?30,101161 really^3 off now === doko_ is now known as doko === _Techie_ is now known as _A_ === _A_ is now known as _Techie_ [09:47] New bug: #650936 in mysql-5.1 (main) "hread_stack must be removed to avoid problems for amd64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650936 [10:27] Hey guys. On my server I've set up a lamp install with ssh and ftp. Now I'm thinking, is there any reason for me to have a ftp-server when I can just use sftp? [10:27] Are there any downsides with skipping the vsftp-server ? [10:27] koltroll: no [10:27] Indeed, it's a move I heartily support [10:29] twb, another question. Is it somehow possible to set default permissions when using sftp just as you can configure the vsftp-server? In a way I think it sounds strange, but I'll ask anyway. [10:29] You mean the umask? [10:30] yea I guess (?) :) I want the uploaded files to be readable and writeable for the user & group. [10:31] That should be handled via pam_umask.so [10:32] oh ok. I'll look that up. thanks [10:32] man pam_umask [10:33] pam is not for the faint of heart [10:33] haha then maybe I should ignore it :) [10:33] You could use /etc/login.defs if you want it to apply to EVERYBODY [10:34] But I suspect that's probably bad juju [10:34] I think I rather think through how I want the permissions, and how I need it. It's just that I got everything working now, and I'm really not a server guy :) [10:35] Right now I got my user, web. All web pages are in /home/web. web is in the group www-data. FTP-files uploaded with web can be accessed and changed by the www-data user as well. [10:36] Also I got a git user /home/git that's also in the same group, and therefor can unpack repos into /home/web for projects we work on. [10:36] But I belive the only thing that would be changed by this, if I just ignore the pam_umask thing, is that on folders that the user www-data needs write-access to I'll set them manually. [10:37] That is, I confess, what I do for one site [10:37] Ah ok. [10:38] It's pretty fugly; doing it "properly" with access control would be preferable, but I don't know how [10:38] :) [10:38] chmod -vR go-rwx /home/*/ | [10:38] # Suppress printing of (i.e. whitelist) some expected false positives. [10:38] egrep -v 'retained as|nor referent has been changed' [10:39] ...that's what I run to prevent users from sharing data clandestinely [10:39] oh ok [10:39] Yea I'll think this through. Thanks alot! [10:39] Actually it should read go-rwx,a-st -- somehow the code has regressed :-/ [11:08] cjwatson, ttx: is libgeronimo-jacc-1.1-spec-java found on a server CD? [11:12] ubuntu-server/daily/current/maverick-server-amd64.list:/pool/main/g/geronimo-jacc-1.1-spec/libgeronimo-jacc-1.1-spec-java_1.0.1-1fakesync1_all.deb [11:12] ubuntu-server/daily/current/maverick-server-i386.list:/pool/main/g/geronimo-jacc-1.1-spec/libgeronimo-jacc-1.1-spec-java_1.0.1-1fakesync1_all.deb [11:12] (yes) [11:15] are these .list files in a convenient location to check them myself? [11:15] still need http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/geronimo-jacc-1.1-spec/current/changelog :-/ [11:16] ahh, ttx not here [11:59] doko: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ [12:06] New bug: #651027 in dovecot (main) "dovecot-postfix claimed as built in debian/control but not actually built" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651027 [12:33] hi, anybody knows if we can stop kthreadd or not ?? [12:35] kthreadd? [12:35] there was no process like before update, now it appears with lots of spawns [12:36] its 10.04 lst headless [12:36] * LTS [12:41] New bug: #651047 in rabbitmq-server (main) "initial installation presents note about upgrades" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651047 [12:41] New bug: #651049 in php5 (main) "php5: FILTER_VALIDATE_URL will invalidate a hostname that includes '-'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651049 [14:06] Anyone using vsftpd? [14:06] <_ruben> !anyone [14:06] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [14:08] Is anon_root still available in vsftpd or there is a better way? [14:25] hi...probably a daft question, but is it possible to change the partitions on an already installed ubuntu 10.04 server if i don't mind losing the data in the current mount points? [14:29] kinygos: yes its possible [14:29] kinygos: you can even preserve the data ... [14:30] kinygos: do you want to shrink, or enlarge? [14:30] thanks :) from what i've read, that's what i thought...but i now have my bigger problem... [14:31] i have a remote server with a 2nd physical hard disk that has no partitions defined or mounted...so what i was hoping to do was create partitions on that second drive, mount them, then configure RAID1 across the physical disks (for a given partition) [14:33] Daviey: everything looking good ? [14:33] ttx: Yup.. we had a respin [14:33] (not our request, late last night) [14:33] kinygos: you have to set up the 2nd device as a md device [14:33] Daviey: I saw that this morning [14:33] ttx: so the euca upgrade issue is resolved. [14:34] according to fdisk -l, i have a partition whose system is extended...but i don't see it mounted anywhere in fstab...is extended system special? [14:34] I hit the print server issue, its resolved for post-RC [14:34] gentooxer: ooh, i didn't realise that...thanks :) [14:34] Hello. I've got a network here that consists of windows computers and one ubuntu server running the samba file server. Earlier today, something went wrong, and the file system must've gotten partially corrupted. Other computers were no longer able to access the ubuntu server, and the ubuntu server went in read-only mode. [14:34] gentooxer: i thought i had to do that after creating the partitions [14:35] Now I'm busy copying the files on the harddisk to an USB drive, but this seems to generate a lot of errors. I'm not sure if the files are really gone, or if it's a permission problem, and if there's some way to save the files. [14:36] kinygos: no you set up a RAID1 md device with only 1 device present; copy the data from the 1st device to your new RAID device [14:36] kinygos: then you have to "rebuild" the RAID, and you are ready to go [14:36] To top it all off, the Ubuntu Server is running on two harddisks that are in mirror mode due to a FakeRaid setup using a Sweex controller. [14:36] gentooxer: do i need to create corresponding partitions on the new device? [14:37] kinygos: but I guess a new installation is much easier [14:37] ttx: Yeah... saw that.. that sounds good - those upgrading will get the fix and it's a transitional issue.. not an explosion :) [14:37] kinygos: they have to be big enought to store you data, thats all [14:37] gentooxer: i know a new install is much easier, but i'm having a lot of problems arranging that, esp as the server is remote [14:38] gentooxer: thank you very much for the steer...your time is very much appreciated :) [14:50] Daviey: for the record, the respin was a server team request [14:51] 21:25 hi - I've just upload a fix for eucalyptus to maverick [14:51] 21:25 and ttx fixed a problem in the seed which lead to cups not working in the installer [14:51] 21:26 The later will require a -server iso respin [14:51] 21:26 and I'd like to have the new eucalyptus included in it [14:51] 21:26 so - could the eucalyptus package be accepted in maverick? [14:52] cjwatson: Oh, sorry - i wasn't pointing fingers. I spoke to mathiaz not long before that, and thought we agreed we weren't going to push for one. [14:53] but i am pleased that it did :) [14:57] New bug: #651134 in apache2 (main) "apache crashes with *** glibc detected *** /usr/sbin/apache2: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x00007f8b5c8fdac0 ***" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651134 [15:01] * zul pauses [15:06] \sh: Are you coming to UDS again? [15:10] * zul returns [15:12] Does anyone know? If I configured a Sweex controller to set 2 SATA disks in RAID1 mode, and then install ubuntu server, is the data only on the first drive, or on both drives? (Since Ubuntu Server still seems to detect both drives) [15:12] i am trying to forward root's mail on my 10.04 lts server install to my gmail account. I havent setup an MX record or anything because I do not want to provide mail services, just forwarding [15:13] hi guys i get to start my linux server when i startup i get grup loading 1.5, grub loading please wait.....error 15 ----> any idea please..? [15:13] i have an /etc/aliases entry for root : steve and an /etc/email.addresses entry for steve : myeml@gmail.com [15:14] slestak: you could just have root: myeml@gmail.com in /etc/aliases if I'm not mistaken [15:14] i thought this would be sufficient. using mailx to send a mail to my work exchange server works fine [15:14] cemc: i tried that first but was getting rejections from gmails smtp [15:14] using mailx to send to local user root fails [15:14] slestak: rejections? [15:14] i have an example [15:15] sec [15:16] http://paste.pocoo.org/show/269001/ [15:16] this looks like I am trying to offer up slestak.homelinux.org as a mail service, which is overkill for my needs [15:17] i could prob remove exim and just use bsmtp or sth liek that [15:18] slestak: I don't get it... do you want to send root emails to google? why is google trying to send email back to you? [15:18] i want my root mails to be sent to my gmail address. [15:18] how do i boot my server to get on a recovery mode whern i have commandline login as root..? [15:18] that is all i am trying to accomplish [15:18] so I am beginning to thing that exim or postfix are overkill [15:20] ruben23: there is a recovery mode avaiable in yor grub menu, iirc [15:20] i think you can do a sudo -i to get a root prompt in that shell [15:21] what do you guys do with root mail on non-mail servers? [15:22] <\sh> ScottK: nope...this time I don't have the time, nor I get a sponsoring of my company [15:22] slestak: is this upon reboot po to..? [15:22] slestak: I think you still need some basic postfix, even if it's not open to the internet [15:22] <\sh> ScottK: hopefully next year again somewhere in europe [15:22] i think i have used bsmtp in teh past for that. since it is a multiverse app i wanted to see what the common best practicve is [15:23] <\sh> now lets have a look at the rcbug list [15:24] ttx: why are we still testing esx? [15:26] zul: I think it's done in the certification labs [15:26] ttx: okies [15:30] slestak: do you have static IP address with a good reverse on that host? [15:30] looks like esmtp is in apt, but is end-of-lifed per its own webpage. msmtp looks liek a winner [15:30] cemc: no, i have dynamic dns. its a home server [15:31] slestak: that could be a problem then, when sending mail to the internet, it might get rejected [15:31] slestak: The odds of you being able to deliver mail to gmail from a dynamic IP are very low. [15:31] slestak: you should use a smarthost for sending mail, you shouldn't send directly [15:32] would you recommend postfix? [15:32] or exim? [15:32] slestak: me personally, definitely postfix [15:33] hello everybody [15:33] have a problem with phpmyadmin, i have installed it but not working http://localhost/phpmyadmin>Not Found The requested URL /phpmyadmin was not found on this server. Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80 [15:49] JamesPage: just assigned you to bug 651155 [15:49] Launchpad bug 651155 in easymock "easymock fails to build from source in maverick" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651155 [15:50] I won't have time to look into it, so it's better if you can have a look [15:53] ttx: We'll need someone to be in charge of server boot experience. It seems very popular on ubuntu-devel. I could run a UDS session on what people would like to see, but it would be more useful to get someone who might actually be able to do the work involved from the start. I added it to the wiki page. [15:54] it looks liek ssmtp is providing what i need [15:56] New bug: #651182 in mailman (main) "Invocations of "/etc/init.d/mailman start" spawns multiple instances" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651182 === koolhead17 is now known as Evilkoolhead17 [16:00] ttx: no problem - looking at it now - feel free to keep throwing this sort of stuff at me !! [16:01] I know this is the simplest of questions, but still can't remember now, what's the rewrite rule I can use for when I go to http://myhost It actually goes to http://myhost/dir ??? [16:01] apache, TW === Evilkoolhead17 is now known as koolhead17 === doko_ is now known as doko [16:06] ScottK: did you get my answer ? I'm having connection issues [16:06] ttx: I did not. [16:06] ScottK: yes, that's what I had in mind under the "upstart/plymouth for servers" heading [16:06] ScottK: I long advocated for a server "low level" position (aka server foundations) or for a Foundations "server" position to bridge the gap [16:06] ScottK: not completely sure which track that would land to, though :) [16:07] ttx: OK. Thanks. I'm not sure either, that's why I didn't reply to one of the track specific emails. [16:07] (BTW, I think this is a bug in the new track definitions). [16:07] neverming I spot it [16:15] JamesPage: do you have an opinion on JOnAS [16:15] ? [16:18] ttx: i do its a good weezer song :) [16:30] ttx: just talking ISO testing with mathiaz [16:31] hi...i wonder if someone could spare me a few moments...i have a ubuntu 10.04LTS server with 2 disks, only 1 is partitioned, and i'd like to implement RAID1 across both drives...following some earlier advice, i've come up with a series of commands to create the raid on the second disk, copy the first disk to it, then add the first disk logically to the raid. the commands are listed here http://dpaste.com/250536 [16:32] my question is, when i reboot, how can i tell the server to use the raid on the second disk? [16:32] in bios [16:32] if the server is fairly reinstalled, reinstalling directly on software raid1 will probably be of less hassle [16:33] kinygos: also, remember to install grub on that drive [16:33] bugger...it's a remote server, and i don't have budget to get external media mounted on it :( [16:34] RoyK: thanks for that...i knew i'd miss something [16:34] you might be able to configure grub to boot from the new disk, but I would recommend doing that onsite [16:35] the chances of something going bad are always high when fiddling with these things from remote [16:35] RoyK: i do have a lights-out board in there, so i can reinstate the ISP base image for the server wuite easily [16:35] RoyK: i don't have any data on it yet...just preparing the box for my application [16:35] with the lights-out board, don't you get remote console with bios for it? [16:36] RoyK: ooh..i didn't check that...lol (feeling foolish) [16:36] I would guess it should be quite easy to make someone insert an ubuntu cd on it without too much cost? [16:36] my ISP does that for free :P [16:38] RoyK: unfortunately not...the ISP has 9.04 as base image, and i'm on a very tight budget...it will cost £60 per half hour engineer time to give me some disk space for an .iso image somewhere :( [16:38] (and yep, i value my time more, but my sponsor doesn't see it that way) [16:39] smoser: how is image testing going ? [16:39] kinygos: where is the ISP base image mounted? [16:39] kinygos: iirc 9.04 can be installed on raid1 [16:39] yeah [16:39] kinygos: install 9.04 on RAID1, then upgrade to 9.10, then 10.04 [16:39] Daviey, mathiaz: will shut down in 15 minutes, let me know if you have any question [16:40] kinygos: and tell your ISP to update to 10.04! [16:40] Daviey, mathiaz: looks like we are good to go for RC [16:40] ttx: great [16:40] ttx: Daviey: catchup on mumble? [16:40] SpamapS: if they charge GBP 60 for half an hour fiddling, they will probably charge GBP 1k for burning out a new 10.04 CD [16:40] mathiaz: I can try -- though I don't have my headset [16:41] true [16:41] kinygos: how much are you paying per month? Maybe you should look into an IaaS provider. ;) [16:41] kinygos: can you install 9.04 from scratch without paying them much? [16:41] £79 per month...but i've paid for a year :( [16:42] ttx, i've run the tests, i have to go through and look at results. there was one set of failures that i think must have been test case failures. [16:42] kinygos: WOW [16:42] i'll start posting results soon. [16:42] unfortunately it's an image blat...not an installation process that i can get involved in [16:42] kinygos: I hope thats a really powerful machine. [16:42] i'm starting to feel nervous [16:43] kinygos: man, that's a lot, is this a VM or a PM? [16:43] kinygos: Ok, you *can* build a broken RAID1, copy the system to it, and then boot from that, and add the other disk to it.... [16:43] dedicated server [16:43] k [16:43] mathiaz: sure, give me a few mins tho [16:43] ttx: no questions here. [16:43] i need a dedicated server as i'm gonna put postgresql and django on it [16:43] kinygos: a lot can go wrong, and the grub bit may get.. scary. ;) [16:44] kinygos: ic, but with the lights-out board, you can probably do a lot from remote [16:44] kinygos: FYI, the cloud providers out there, like EC2 and Rackspace, will run a db service for you so you don't need such a powerful machine. [16:44] SpamapS: i know :( i've just started looking at how to install grub on the second disk and i'm flapping a bit [16:45] kinygos: its not that bad. we'll hold your hand. [16:45] kinygos: and as long as you have that lights out board, you can fix whatever breaks. :) [16:45] :) thanks i really do appreciate your time...i'll go figure out the grub piece and report back [16:46] * RoyK wonder wth an ISP will be using 9.04 as the standard where LTS releases are so much better supported [16:46] yeah [16:47] they sound completely nutty [16:47] in fact, isn't 9.04 dead next month? [16:47] it gets worse...they're planning on dropping ubuntu and continuing with CentOS!!!! [16:47] SpamapS: not for servers - three years support for servers [16:47] kinygos: heh - idiots [16:47] RoyK: No. [16:47] SpamapS: Yes. [16:47] RoyK: you sure? I don't think thats true. [16:48] so far the only reason we have 9.04 on some boxes is that 10.04 doesn't ship with g77 :þ [16:48] RoyK: Server support is 5 years on LTS, 18 months on everything else. [16:48] upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 then 10.04 was a breeze (thanks to the ubuntu community) [16:48] ScottK: FYI, mtaylor and I decided it may be better to not have drizzle in maverick, and just publicize the PPA. [16:49] SpamapS: Then please file a bug asking for package removal. [16:49] ScottK: when the decision is final, will definitely do so. [16:49] ttx: don't have an opinion of JOnAS yet - I'll take a look and compare with JBoss [16:49] JamesPage: cool [16:49] ScottK: you're right [16:50] ScottK: I was mixing up desktop and server support.... [16:51] desktop support for LTS is 3yr [16:51] Yep. [16:51] * ScottK notes Dapper on servers has 9 months to live. [16:52] kinygos: remember to configure update manager not to upgrade to 10.10 when that arrives (vi /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ...) [16:52] well, unless you want inter-lts-releases [16:52] That's actually default for LTS releases. [16:53] ScottK: not if upgrading from non-LTS-releases [16:53] upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 won't change that [16:54] I just upgraded a set of servers from 9.04 to 10.04 and had to change that thing myself [16:58] I created a .bashrc at my home folder, but its not working when I log in. What else need to be done? [16:59] afeijo: normally there is a .bashrc in all user folders (copied from /etc/skel with useradd -m) [16:59] and the work well [16:59] afeijo: pastebin the .bashrc file, please [17:00] RoyK: it has just 2 lines with alias cmd [17:00] my folder had no .bashrc, pretty weird [17:01] I will copy from skel and try again === RoAkSoAx is now known as andreserl [17:01] afeijo: cp -a /etc/skel/. $HOME [17:01] or -R even === andreserl is now known as RoAkSoAx [17:01] doesn't matter - just make sure your user owns the file [17:01] s/file/files/ [17:03] it didnt work :( something is missing in this server === twister004_ is now known as twister004 [17:03] it is not reading my .bashrc [17:05] and why when I run sh .bashrc it dont execute my aliases ? [17:08] because when you run 'sh .bashrc' you are running on a new shell. You should instead source it: '. .bashrc' [17:08] hggdh: thanks :) [17:08] that help, but it would be better if it ran automatically at login :( [17:09] .bashrc should executed on every new shell you open. Close your current (or logoff) and open it again, it should be there [17:09] I did that [17:10] afeijo: what is your login shell (look at your /etc/passwd entry) [17:11] /home/lg:/bin/bash ? [17:13] OK, yes [17:14] RoyK: i was afk...just got your message about configuring update manager...thank you for that [17:14] afeijo: on *login* ~/.profile will be executed. In there (default .profile) you should have a . .bashrc [17:15] afeijo: so... is it there? === JanC_ is now known as JanC [17:16] bingo! [17:16] hggdh: someone changed that file, it had a typo :) [17:16] fixed, thanks!!!!! [17:16] I fixed in the /etc/skel too [17:17] afeijo: cool [17:19] hggdh: last question if I may. Where would I add new glogal aliases (i.e. alias l="ls -lah --color=auto") so my users wont have to do it at their .bashrc ? [17:22] afeijo: probably on /etc/profile.d -- create a new file there, based on the existing ones [17:27] Good server upgrade test on i386. [17:27] JamesPage: ping [17:27] zul: pong [17:27] JamesPage: why did the automated testing miss the samba amd64 one last night? [17:28] It didn't - the test has a bug which causes it to fail as nmbd does not start quickly enough. [17:28] I think the only test which is an issue is the print-server one which ttx is aware or. [17:28] JamesPage: ah ok [17:29] Postgresql has a similar issue with the actual test script itself. === twister004_ is now known as twister004 [17:37] i'm planning on installing RAID1 on a second physical disk, copying my first disk contents to the second disk, rebooting then adding the first disk to the RAID...i'm wondering if the following is valid for installing grub on the RAID that i've created # grub-install /dev/md1 (i'm sure it can't be this simple) === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez [17:38] or should i be installing grub on the underlying disk (grub-install /dev/sdb) ? [17:40] * RoyK doesn't remember [17:40] google for it === ivoks-afk is now known as ivoks [17:42] ok, i will try it...i've read somewhat conflicting instructions...which makes it somewhat baffling [17:57] lol...dd takes for ever [17:58] that wasn't a criticism btw...just an observation that i should've kept to myself in hindsight [18:07] kinygos: dd? [18:07] kinygos: you can easily copy a filesystem with rsync [18:07] without copying the empty bits [18:09] d'oh! [18:10] <-- will never make a sysadmin [18:11] i guess you learn from experience [18:12] hehe [18:18] kinygos: The only way any of us has learned, is by admitting that we know nothing. ;) [18:19] which is why we stop learning and turn into kurmudgeons ;) [18:19] :) [18:22]