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lex79I think it causes also this bug 64953900:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 649539 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Can't enable auto login - And It causes switch to General Font Andale Mono 12" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64953900:00
lex79not the part where you can't enable autologin but the part where font switch to another font00:00
lex79I think the part where I can't enable autologin, it's just my installation problem :)00:01
debfxprobably, if it only sets the General font00:02
lex79yes, it's just for general font00:03
lex79debfx: ping me when is done, I want test your fix ;)00:04
debfxlex79: ping00:07
claydohhave the kwin/intel graphics issues been fixed yet?00:07
lex79debfx: pogo00:07
macodebfx: wait whats the default general font *supposed* to be? thats what Riddell said it was!00:08
lex79sans serif 9 is the default font00:09
macoi had one commit that was something else (which i thought matched kne's setting) and Riddell said "no no its this other one"00:09
debfxmaco: you also changed the font size to 8 but as kde couldn't find the font it completely ignored it00:11
macowhats the usual font size?00:11
debfx900:11
macois that different between netbook and desktop?00:12
maco:( sorry00:12
debfxmaco: yes, netbook uses font size 700:13
Riddell(which I think is far too small)00:14
debfxqtcurve probably ignores that though00:14
macoRiddell: yeah i learned at uds barcelona that you love huge font sizes. there was a bit of "grumble grumble riddell and his giant fonts! prettier would be smaller!"00:18
ScottKRiddell: It's a lovely size for a netbook.00:20
RiddellScottK: I've had to get glasses to be able to read it00:20
macoRiddell: you had to get glasses because your eyes are bad and you put it off too long!00:21
ScottKRiddell: That's my line.  I can read it just fine, you aren't old enough to need glasses for that.00:21
Riddellmaco: and my eyes are bad because this netbook his tiny fonts!00:21
macoRiddell: that has nothing to do with the muscles in your eyeballs getting weak!00:21
debfxlex79: does the fix work?00:26
lex79I still need to test it, I'm building the package00:27
lex79debfx: it works, thanks00:36
lex79and qtcurve parses the settings from k-d-s00:39
debfxlex79: you're welcome00:43
debfxhow?00:43
lex79uhm, I mean QtCurve uses huge fonts is not anymore a problem in maverick00:44
debfxah yes, but if we did change the default font qtcurve wouldn't pick it up00:45
lex79ah I see00:47
* claydoh is sooo lame, just realized he could drag tabs around in his browser00:48
* lex79 wrote "need to looking again" instead of "need to look again" in the bug report00:51
* lex79 hides00:51
macodebfx: or rather if we change the default font, we have to do it in two places00:52
lex79should I upload k-d-s or wait after RC release?00:59
Riddellclaydoh: that upgrade of yours isn't a happy story :(01:00
claydohRiddell: no, not sure if it was just an anomaly or not01:01
claydohbut thegrub thing is peculiar to my mixed ata/sata setup01:01
claydohRiddell:  and not as bad as this: http://yfrog.com/8b20100929170426j lol01:02
Riddellclaydoh: have you tried a live image to see if it has the same problem?01:03
claydohnot yet, that system is my telly, so I can't spend too much time on it01:05
claydohRiddell: actually, I did, but is was the beta 32bit image01:05
claydohto recover grub01:06
Riddellclaydoh: what are you doing to scale the screenshots on the release page?  they look a bit blury01:42
claydohhmmm just gwenview, I though it was my junky crt - everything uis blurry on my end :(01:43
claydohwill fire up gimp instead01:44
claydohRiddell: any particular major bugs need to be included? the  intel gpu bug(s)?01:47
Riddellclaydoh: I edited the page (ubiquity description) so you may have to redo any changes you have01:48
Riddellclaydoh: bug 627815  which is very sporadic01:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 627815 in kde4libs (Ubuntu Maverick) "unable to save user-places.xbel" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62781501:49
Riddellbug 64950901:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 649509 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "System settings shows wrong General font by default" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64950901:49
ScottKclaydoh: bug 62893001:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 628930 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Maverick) "[i945GME] KDE Desktop effects not active by default" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62893001:49
ScottKclaydoh: bug 65129401:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65129401:50
ScottKclaydoh: bug 627815 (needs a warning that despite the scary error message, it's harmless)01:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 627815 in kde4libs (Ubuntu Maverick) "unable to save user-places.xbel" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62781501:51
* Riddell snoozes01:54
claydohScottK: do you  (or anyone) have a screenie showing the Global Menu?  one that has the default Kubuntu theme? I don't seem to be able to get it to show whenn I switch from desktop to netbook workspace02:07
macoi can take a screenshot02:08
claydohmaco: that would be awesome02:10
claydohthank you!02:10
macoclaydoh: http://mackenzie.morgan.name/tmp/global_menu.png02:19
claydohmaco: many thanks!02:20
ScottKclaydoh: I've also got images in blog posts I've done (see p.u.c)03:34
claydohScottK: thankee03:35
claydohsct, is bug 628930 still open?, assuming it is03:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 628930 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Maverick) "[i945GME] KDE Desktop effects not active by default" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62893003:36
ScottKclaydoh: Please ping me again in about 5 seconds.03:36
ScottKOr anyone else.03:37
macoScottK: ping03:38
claydoh5 4 3 2 1..... ScottK03:38
ScottKclaydoh: Screen shot of the new message indicator http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/mindicator.png - It's worth noting if you shift-click on it, it will take you straight to the last thing that happened and not open the menu.03:41
ScottKThanks03:41
claydohnifty, I usually disable that and a couple other items to save resources03:47
claydohthis seem a bit easier on my blind laptop03:48
claydohScottK: do you think that bug 651294 is netbook-specific?03:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65129403:57
ScottKclaydoh: It's not.03:57
ScottK I had it on my laptop too.03:57
claydohScottK: kk03:58
lucidfoxHmm, I wonder04:37
lucidfoxHas someone brought up the possibility of using colibri by default in Kubuntu, to display notify-osd-like notifications?04:38
lucidfoxalthough on second thought... not all KDE notifications are libnotify-compatible, IIRC?04:39
JontheEchidnaColibri was originally intended to be part of the default Kubuntu installation. (Which is why Canonical had Aurelien develop it) It was in fact part of the 9.04 release as a patch before it was called "colibri", but was off by default.05:23
JontheEchidnaThere was great backlash in the upstream KDE development community (as well as the Kubuntu user community) about libnotify's lack of support for actions, which is why it wasn't on by default05:23
JontheEchidnaLots of drama there ;-)05:23
JontheEchidnaThough judging from more recent blogs, it seems that since Colibri is now a third-party project that at least action support is on the "maybe todo if I can figure out how" list. (See comments of http://agateau.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/return-of-the-hummingbird-colibri-0-2-1-is-out/)05:25
JontheEchidnaThe Notification Plasma widget will handle the cases where Colibri isn't able to display a KDE notification, such as a file transfer.05:27
JontheEchidna... and at the same time defer notification of "standard" notifications to colibri05:28
JontheEchidnaSo in summation, I would say that the feature regressions compared to normal KDE notifications (namely action support) would have to be ironed out, and the decision would have to be put forward at a Kubuntu meeting with discussion/ a Kubuntu Council quorom/vote before colibri notifications could become default.05:29
JontheEchidnaI, personally, would definitely use colibri if it had action support. But the lack of that functionality is a dealbreaker for me.05:31
JontheEchidnaMissing from my exposition: Tons of drama that went on on both the newly-formed ayatana mailing list and #plasma during the 9.04 cycle. ;-)05:35
JontheEchidna'night, guys05:51
ulyssesit's morning o.O05:52
nigelbany of the kubuntu folks want to take a slot from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek ?07:54
Riddellnigelb: gosh, open week, but we haven't even finished app developer week08:29
nigelbRiddell: too many weeks closeby :)08:29
nigelbRiddell: app developer week got moved around this cycle think08:29
persiaapp developer week is still trying to find a good time to happen.08:31
nigelbIt still not a good time tbh08:31
apacheloggeroh08:33
apacheloggerI do again have a talk today08:33
apacheloggeroh my08:33
Riddellapachelogger: and I blogged about it, don't let me down!08:34
apacheloggersuggestions for the content?08:34
apacheloggerI was thinking about revising the widgetcraft talk of last fooweek08:34
* nigelb convinced you to do it remember?08:34
apacheloggerright, it is all your fault :P08:35
persiaapachelogger, target group this week is "opportunistic developers".  Pick something that can be done extra quick to make a useful widget in 15 minutes :)08:35
nigelboh, right, #blamenigel day today08:35
persiaOnly today?08:36
nigelbhaha08:36
nigelbspecially today08:36
apacheloggerpersia: the UDW talk was starting off with a simple hello world and maturing it to the point where it had a button and a spinning troll head08:36
* apachelogger would need to cut some things though, since time was running short last time08:37
persianigelb, Please work on better clarification of the difference between UDW (cool stuff to do within Ubuntu as part of Ubuntu Development) and UADW (cool stuff to do using Ubuntu as a platform).08:38
persiaspinning troll heads are clearly the latter :)08:38
nigelbpersia: I thought that was clarified :)08:38
* nigelb will talk to amber though.08:39
persianigelb, I thought so as well, but not in a way that led apachelogger to explain how to be a ninja last time :)08:39
apacheloggerpersia: I beg to differ, you might very well need to write plasmoids for ubuntu development08:39
persiaapachelogger, Hrm.  Indeed.  Complicated that.08:40
apacheloggerthe spinning head was only to showcase animations in a plasmoid, and animations are key IMHO08:40
nigelbheh.08:40
apacheloggerpersia: I think shadeslayer did the ninja stuff08:40
apacheloggeror at some week he did08:40
apacheloggermaybe he did a user week *shrug*08:40
apacheloggerthose weeks are all a blur to me :P08:41
apacheloggerpersia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1007/PackageNinja08:41
persianigelb, See.  We need more clarification :)08:41
persiaAha!08:42
* persia missed that session08:42
apacheloggerI recon we had tight control over UDW, jr did showcase QML too08:42
nigelbsee?08:42
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apacheloggerhow about quick intro, quick plasmoid, tech blah (where do I find docs, what else can I do, how do I deploy my funky stuff...)08:46
apacheloggermaybe spinning troll head if time is left ^^08:46
* apachelogger doubts time will be left08:46
steveireShould I use that lernid stuff in my session?09:10
apacheloggerno09:10
apacheloggerlernid is targetting the audience09:10
RiddellI wouldn't09:10
apacheloggerunless it grew a talkers mode09:10
steveireSo  I just give people a link to slides?09:11
apacheloggerwhich is something I was thinking about because swaping to ClassBot query to get questions is a bit ewwy09:11
apacheloggersteveire: I am not sure, you might want to check with someone in backstage but that should be it09:11
apacheloggersupposedly it can be added to the topic too09:11
* apachelogger is wondering whether he should use slides today09:12
Riddellclaydoh: one of the kpackagekit images is the same as another, did you mean to upload something else?09:12
agateauapachelogger: Riddell: merge request for your pleasure: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/plasma-widget-message-indicator/fix-text-overlap-in-systemtray/+merge/3710609:16
Riddellthanks agateau 09:17
apacheloggersweet09:17
Riddellremind me about it this afternoon if I haven't handled it09:18
agateauok09:18
Riddellbusy trying to get Ubuntu Desktop people to actually care about their own release now09:18
agateauoh, they don't?09:18
apacheloggerthey are surely busy with UADW ^^09:19
RiddellI think they assume it'll happen for them09:19
apachelogger*magic* 09:19
nigelbapachelogger: pm with classbot as opposed to you going and copying it manually?09:34
apacheloggernigelb: yeah, actually with quassel latter is probably easier anyway09:34
apacheloggerno, what I was thinking about is create TeachIt which makes the other end of the process easier09:35
nigelbah, I forgot the small screen on top09:35
apacheloggerso you can have notes somewhere and a query with classbot and the main channel in one window09:35
apacheloggerand then chat in another tab or so09:35
nigelbPlease, before you try to "fix" classroom stuff, talk to classroom team.  we have far too many people "fxing" thinks for us, which just breaks things.09:37
nigelb(like Lernid - it is now unmaintained - almost)09:37
apacheloggerthat is what you get for not letting cute haxx0rs in on your project ....09:38
nigelbnot my project ;D09:38
apacheloggerI know, jono's fault :P09:39
apacheloggerotherwise nixternal would maintain lernid09:39
nigelblol, #blamejono09:39
apacheloggerwhich equals unmaintained09:39
steveireA few years ago someone worked on a feature so I could restart from kubuntu and boot into windows without having to watch my grub screen like a hawk. Dd anything come of that?09:39
apacheloggerbut still :P09:39
apacheloggersteveire: that was there ... in Grub ... I think Grub2 lost that feature though09:39
apacheloggerold grub implementation was eww though because it required a file written to /boot IIRC09:40
apacheloggerwhich of course broke the whole thing09:40
steveireSo no modern solution?09:40
nigelbmodern solution - increase timeout09:40
apacheloggersteveire: not that I know of anyway09:41
apacheloggerRiddell: who is our guy working on grub2? cj?09:42
nigelbyep09:42
apacheloggersteveire: if you have time, maybe try to reach cjwatson in #ubuntu-devel09:43
apacheloggermaybe he can come up with some approach for grub2 that is saner than what was there in grub09:43
nigelbum, not today.  release day.09:43
apacheloggerdoing the UI foo should be no problem sinc essentially KDM contains handling code for it already IIRC09:44
apacheloggeralso that would break with kexec anyway :P I always go NOOOO when I hit restart and want to get to windows ^^09:45
macosteveire: suse has that... and such support still exists somewhere in the lower layers in kubuntu too...but we dont have a gui for it09:45
apacheloggerthen again kexec is so sweet09:45
macooh. wait was that a grub1 feature, apachelogger?09:45
apacheloggermaco: suse has grub all patched up to make it happen09:45
apacheloggerAH09:45
apacheloggermaco: yes09:46
macooh :-/09:46
maconevermind then09:46
apacheloggernow I remember (I think)09:46
apacheloggerin suse they patched it so that KDM was able to place a file in /boot09:46
apacheloggerrather than the upstream default which was changing the friggin boot config itself09:46
apachelogger(upstream == grub)09:47
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dpmmorning Riddell, did you get my e-mail on the translation imports? Have you tried uploading them again?10:11
Riddelldpm: got it thanks, some documentation on the format accepted would be good to have on the upload page10:12
RiddellI'll try and do that today but I guess it's missed the language packs10:13
dpmRiddell, let's hope not. The imports queue is going down now from a peak, so there might still be a chance that they are imported. As per the missing documentation info on the supported layout, I've just filed  bug 651900. Feel free to subscribe and provide more feedback10:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 651900 in Launchpad Translations "Add documentation on the supported layout on the tarball upload form " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65190010:49
apacheloggerpersia, Quintasan: I am going to troll again :P11:28
* apachelogger couldnt resist11:28
ulysses:D11:29
* persia determines that context will eventually be forthcoming, although likely via alternate media11:29
apachelogger:P11:30
apacheloggersame media11:30
persiaIRC?11:31
* persia was expecting a blog entry11:31
Riddellsame media as he last trolled I'd guess11:32
apacheloggerno11:32
apacheloggerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/uadw/09.10/data/troll.png :P11:32
persiaOh, heh!11:32
apacheloggeror actually, yes, last time I also trolled that on IRC :P11:32
Sputapachelogger: that looks like you!11:36
* apachelogger smacks Sput11:38
* Sput hands apachelogger a mirror11:42
Sputdon't fight inconvenient truths!11:42
apacheloggerdude11:43
apacheloggerI cannot see myself in a mirror11:43
apachelogger...11:43
ulyssesyou're a vampire?11:43
persiaThis is clearly inconvenient, if a truth11:43
apacheloggerdont tell any body!11:44
Sputpersia: obviously only inconvenient to others (so-called "victims")11:44
apacheloggerL&O SVU11:46
persiaSput, Really?  Have you ever attempted to sharpen your fangs without a mirror?  How about attempted to cut flesh with dull tools?  It's definitely inconvenient.11:46
* persia goes away from the keyboard11:46
SputI was under the impression that vampire fangs are auto-sharpening11:46
apachelogger:O11:48
apacheloggerdude11:48
apacheloggerdo you need to sharpen your teeth?11:48
* apachelogger finds that assumption itself rather strange11:48
apacheloggerwhy would one need ot sharpen once fangs11:48
Sputyeah, I'm wondering about that11:49
apacheloggerit is not like we chew on bones or anything11:49
\shapachelogger: there are people who are doing that to look like a tiger, cat, dog or vampire ;)11:49
Sputimpostors!11:50
Sputalso, hi \sh!11:50
apacheloggeryeah, sick peopel those are11:50
apacheloggeralso I think that would be called forming, rather than sharpening11:50
apacheloggeralthough the sharpening is probably a side effect11:50
\shapachelogger: I call it "Verst├╝mmelung" ;)11:50
\shhey sput11:50
apacheloggeroh11:51
apacheloggerthen your threshold is not very high in that regard11:51
apachelogger...what some people do to other body parts...11:51
apacheloggeroi, just thinking about that creeped me out11:51
* apachelogger goes for a smoke11:51
Sputwtf? didn't you stop?11:53
* \sh needs a coffee...I have a night shift tonight, which means I'll have to stay more then 20 hours at office...great sh*t11:54
Sputthe usual11:55
apacheloggerSput: and then things started to go wrong...11:57
Sputright.11:57
Sputthe usual11:57
apacheloggeraight11:58
apachelogger\sh: are you having campfires and such stuff? I bet night shifts would be half as bad if you had campfires and horror stories and whatnot 11:59
apacheloggersheytan_: before we can dive into properly creating a video player I need to properly align the basics12:00
apacheloggerfor those who care: I am working on making it possible to use phonon videos in a qgraphicsscene12:01
SputI hope you get paid for that12:01
apacheloggerno12:01
apacheloggerbut I want a usable videoplayer12:01
apacheloggeralso it is not that much of a problem with the right phonon backend12:01
apacheloggerthere are in particular 2 problems (actually more like 3 problems)12:02
apachelogger1) phonon does not have an explicit surface rendering capability, i.e. you cannot be sure that the backend supports rendering/drawing frame-by-frame on a random rect you specify12:03
apachelogger2) even if phonon had that not all backends currently support it, to my knowledge xine for example does not, whereas GST and VLC can od it implicitly (latter I implemented as part of the qtwebkit+html5 fun I blogged about some time ago)12:04
apachelogger3) which sort of is cause to 1) there is no way to handle vidoeoutputdata directly, which is however currently experimentally around (called Phonon::VideoDataOutput)12:05
apacheloggeronce 3 is in place it becomes way easier to do 1 and once 1 is done you really just need to write a qgraphicsitem that updates whenever a new frame arrives12:05
Riddellsheytan_: fancy doing us a countdown timer image?12:06
apacheloggeractually I already have a bit of a graphicsitem12:06
apacheloggerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/qgraphicsscene+phonon.ogv12:06
apacheloggerI imagine the better part of the work there is to handle the rects properly12:06
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: http://imgur.com/LEzR112:15
JontheEchidnaI call that one lintiantroll12:15
\shapachelogger: nope...but I have pizza and beer during the night shift and product rollout ;)12:16
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: will you blog that?12:16
apachelogger\sh: mhh, pizza12:17
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also, what about the kubuntu aubertruck? I still miss context on that pic :P12:17
JontheEchidnahttp://imgur.com/KjgBS12:18
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yeah, what about the blog post for that one?12:18
apacheloggernever saw one12:18
apacheloggereven though you promised12:18
JontheEchidnaoops12:18
* apachelogger dents the linitantroll12:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also, I believe the brits call them fish fingers, do they not?12:20
apacheloggerbtw, did anyone ever try custard with fish sticks/fingers?12:20
apacheloggermaybe that is like super delicious ^^12:20
JontheEchidnaaubertruck dented, but now I have to get ready for class12:25
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: hf12:25
JontheEchidna(have fun?) I'll try12:26
apacheloggerI always have ^^12:28
sheytan_Riddell sure :D12:28
Riddellsheytan_: 10 days to go so i guess 10 images to make12:30
sheytan_apachelogger sure, if you need any new/redesigned stuff just tell me12:30
sheytan_Riddell can't we make one and display date with js? :D12:30
Riddellsheytan_: not with my js skills12:31
Riddellsee http://www.edubuntu.org/ and bottom right of http://www.ubuntu.com/ for inspiration12:31
sheytan_Riddell  I've a js script for that. Just need a new image12:31
apacheloggersheytan_: I'll try to make the current thing working first ^^12:32
sheytan_apachelogger ok, fine ;)12:32
sheytan_btw, how do i change my nick to get rid of the _ ?12:33
apacheloggerwell, actually I have something working but it is still not over the video and still not transparent or anything12:33
apacheloggersheytan_: /nick newnick12:33
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apacheloggeror use the drop down list left of the line where you enter stuff ;)12:33
sheytanapachelogger thanks :D12:33
sheytanoh yeah :D12:33
ScottKhttp://colin.guthr.ie/2010/09/some-kde-pulseaudio-bugfixes/ seems worth looking into.12:38
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shadeslayercraps13:12
sheytanRiddell http://sheytan-files.xt.pl/kubuntu-10-10-counter.htm13:13
apacheloggershadeslayer: where?13:15
apacheloggersheytan: I only see a 1013:15
sheytanapachelogger refresh13:15
apacheloggerah13:15
apacheloggernow13:15
apacheloggeruhhh13:15
apacheloggersweet13:15
sheytanThanks :D13:15
apacheloggerI'll buy that one13:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: im afraid i wont get the visa13:16
apacheloggershadeslayer: how is that?13:16
sheytanRiddell so, do you like it? :D13:35
shadeslayerapachelogger: any good books for QML?13:36
shadeslayerlike any free ones13:36
shadeslayerand wth is the nokia emulator thingy in qtcreator13:37
shadeslayeroh13:39
shadeslayerits all JS13:39
* shadeslayer runs to learn more JS13:39
Riddellsheytan: looks lovely13:40
sheytanRiddell http://www.sendspace.com/file/w46sni you can put it on the website ;)13:41
* sheytan is downloading RC13:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: the nokia emulator is for symbion I think13:47
apacheloggershadeslayer: no books on QML yet (none that I know of anyway)13:47
shadeslayerhm13:48
apacheloggerI can write one if you want13:50
apacheloggerbut then I would have to delay my video player project13:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: is your video player on git?13:51
apachelogger"Unicorns < Bunnies < QML" by Harald Sitter13:51
apacheloggershadeslayer: there is none yet, see my ramblings earlier about phonon missing stuff13:51
shadeslayermeh13:51
shadeslayerthat is fails13:52
shadeslayerfix phonon -> git your video player13:52
apacheloggerG-I-T13:53
apacheloggerI shall do no such thing13:53
apacheloggermercurial ftw!13:54
shadeslayerno one thinks about bzr :P13:54
apacheloggerfor mercurial is mostly written in ubuntulanguage13:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: if I want something pyth0rn I use mercurial, if I want something hot I use git, if I want something portable I use svn, if I want something painful I use something CVS, if I want something slow I use bzr13:55
apacheloggerif more people follow that rule it is no wonder why no one thinks about bzr :P13:55
apachelogger"QML is nothing like a Isle"13:56
ScottKSomewhat ironically, the Debian packaging for Mercurial is maintained in svn.13:56
apachelogger"how Qt Made my Life"13:56
shadeslayerhehe13:57
JontheEchidnaScottK: iirc cvs is switching to git for its code hosting13:57
apacheloggerrofl13:57
apacheloggernow that is plain awesome13:57
shadeslayerhahahaha13:57
apacheloggersudo dpkg -i build/libphononexperimental*deb13:58
apacheloggerdebian did not package them experimentals13:58
apacheloggersilly debian13:58
ulyssesthis Kubuntu Mobile is awesome13:58
apacheloggerdo we have working images yet?13:59
apacheloggerthen I just need to get someone to sponsor me a N900 and I can have proper phone again ^^13:59
ulyssesI just look at the picture on the wiki page14:00
steveireWhat channel do I go for for this talk?14:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: get one for me too :P14:02
shadeslayersteveire: eh whut? :D14:02
steveire3ubuntu-classroom14:03
steveire#ubuntu-classroom14:03
Riddellsheytan: yes #ubuntu-classroom, you should also join #ubuntu-classroom-chat where people will be talking14:04
Riddellsteveire: ^^ rather14:04
steveireYep, got it. Thanks14:04
steveireI know this is kind of the wrong channel, but does anyone know if any popular gnome applications that do themeing use rendered html for the themed part? I'm looking for an example that I can point at14:10
steveireMaybe evolution for email rendering in the reader?14:10
steveireMeh, I 'll just say that's true anyway. It's bound to be.14:11
* apachelogger thinks that maybe gwibber does it14:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: helps me with rekonq bug 14:28
shadeslayerbug 64733214:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 647332 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "[maverick] Rekonq crashes without network connection. " [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64733214:28
shadeslayersoo.. we need to check if connection is active or not, but that var is not accessible from current cpp file14:31
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.com/Pyq3XFGf14:33
shadeslayerresults in a compile error for now :(14:34
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Riddellpersia: what are the relative merits of dove vs omap vs omap4 and which do we want for kubuntu and kubuntu-mobile release?14:56
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: btw, could you please update the kdevplatform packages in the beta ppa so that libsublime2 conflicts libsublime1? It's causing upgrade issues. TIA (I have to go now.)15:02
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: IIRC didnt you do that?15:02
shadeslayerill do it if its not been done15:02
JontheEchidnaI didn't put conflicts/breaks because I assumed that the un-numbered .so was in the -dev package15:03
JontheEchidnabut libsublime.so is in both libsublime1 and libsublime215:03
JontheEchidnabreaking upgrades15:03
shadeslayerah.. overwrite upgrades i guess15:03
shadeslayers/upgrades/issues15:04
JontheEchidnayeah15:04
shadeslayerill fix it15:04
JontheEchidnareally we should see if we can get debian to place the unnumbered .so in the -dev package15:04
JontheEchidnabut yeah, thanks. g2g15:04
yofelmy lucid -> maverick upgrade on the desktop pc just now didn't go too well either... bug 652029, bug 652055, bug 65205615:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 652029 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "package libqt4-help 4:4.6.3-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_cs.qm', which is also in package libqtcore4 4:4.6.3-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65202915:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 652055 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu) "package kdebase-runtime-dbg 4:4.4.5-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdontchangethehostname', which is also in package kdelibs5-dbg 4:4.4.5-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65205515:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 652056 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdebase-workspace-dev 4:4.4.5-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libksignalplotter.so', which is also in package libksignalplotter4 4:4.4.5-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65205615:05
shadeslayererr15:05
Riddellfooey15:06
Riddellyofel: you presumably didn't do the supported upgrade method?15:07
yofelnot really, did you put some workarounds in u-m for this?15:07
Riddellyofel: how did you upgrade?15:08
yofelwith aptitude, since I manage my sources.list manually15:08
Riddellupdate-manager's dist upgrade tool sets allow overwrites to on15:08
yofelah, didn't know that15:09
Riddellwe should still fix those things though I guess15:09
shadeslayerwant me to set them to triaged? 15:09
shadeslayerhmm.. 15:10
Riddellbetter if you just fix them :)15:11
shadeslayer:D15:12
shadeslayeri always end up doing this, take up coding work -> get distracted -> start packaging stuff :P15:14
sheytanHey15:17
sheytanis there a list of ALL dev packages i need to compile KDE trunk?15:17
sheytanit looks like endless hell with all of them :D15:17
shadeslayersheytan: apt-get build-dep foobar15:18
Riddellsudo apt-get install kdelibs5-dev15:18
shadeslayerwhere foobar is a kde package15:18
shadeslayersheytan: http://techbase.kde.org/Build_KDE4.6_on_Kubuntu15:20
sheytanshadeslayer, thanks :D15:23
shadeslayerwell.. kdevelop fix uploaded15:29
shadeslayeryofel: which one of the bugs you reported are you going to fix? :D15:30
shadeslayerim taking 65205515:31
shadeslayerand then i have to do kdelibs merge 15:32
yofelmight as well do one, right.. I'll take 65205615:32
shadeslayeryep15:33
shadeslayerhmm so kdontchangethehostname doesnt seem to be in kdelibs5-dbg15:45
Riddellshadeslayer: well it won't be in maverick, it'll have moved to kdebase-runtime-dbg, that's the bug15:49
shadeslayerits in kdebase-runtime .. not even in -dbg15:51
shadeslayerRiddell: ^15:54
yofelwell, there should be a copy in -runtime and the debug symbols copy in -runtime-dbg15:54
yofel!find kdontchangethehostname maverick15:55
ubottuFile kdontchangethehostname found in kdebase-runtime, kdebase-runtime-dbg, kdelibs-dbg, kdelibs4c2a15:55
shadeslayerzomg.. no kdebase-runtime-dbg.install :S15:57
shadeslayerive gtg out for a while, cya 15:58
yofelcu15:58
sheytanRiddell will you put the countdown to the page? :D15:58
Riddellsheytan: yes, we should get rid of the lucid banner and replace with with a coming soon sort of notice16:01
sheytanRiddell i've got one made for the new webpage. It only needs some changes to fit with the new page16:01
sheytanif you want it, just tell me the size16:01
agateauRiddell: afternoon reminder as requested: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/plasma-widget-message-indicator/fix-text-overlap-in-systemtray/+merge/3710616:08
sheytanRiddell  http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/2961/mainimage.png this one :)16:11
dasKreechHi sheytan! :)16:30
sheytandasKreech Hey16:30
dasKreechhow are you?16:31
sheytanFine, thanks, and you? :)16:31
dasKreechSneezy16:35
dasKreechbeen raining for 5 days straight16:35
dasKreechstupid hurricane conditions16:35
Riddellapachelogger: ping16:38
apacheloggerRiddell: pong16:38
Riddellapachelogger: do you know about coding kwallet, a guy on launchpad has some questions16:39
Riddell16:35 <leonardr> how effective is the wallet's per-application access control? for instance, is it easy for an application to claim to be some other application?16:39
dasKreechhow is the GNOME/KDE secrets thing going?16:40
Riddelldunno, lemma was coding on it at Akademy, not heard anything since16:41
apacheloggerRiddell: for a QApplication: setWindowTitle() and you are another application16:41
RiddellI expect it's a slow and fiddly operation getting agreent on everything16:41
apacheloggerfor a KApplication you'd need to fiddle the KAboutData, but same thing basically16:41
* apachelogger nots that KWallet is really just secure storage, everything else is not particularly secure16:41
markeywhat do I need to do to make a NFS shared folder show up in Dolphin?16:41
apacheloggere.g. data is transfered in plain text over dbus16:41
markeyI'm too newb to figure it out :)16:41
apacheloggercould be easily intercepted too16:42
apacheloggerthat way one could actually sniff a users every password16:42
Riddellapachelogger: naughty dbus16:42
dasKreechCan't you tube dbus?16:43
apacheloggermore like naughty kwallet, doing encryption using QCA would really not that much of an effort... the fdo secrets thing is going to fix at least the transfer problem16:43
apacheloggerthe issue that you can just claim to be another app remains16:44
apacheloggerAFAIK anyway ^^16:44
dasKreechKinda hard to prevent that in anycase16:44
apachelogger*nod*16:45
ScottKGood reason not to allow multiple access for any apps.16:46
apacheloggeroh dear, I think my session is coming up16:47
ScottKBetter decide what it's about then.16:47
RiddellI just microblogged about it, so no chickening out now16:49
shadeslayeroh boi16:50
apacheloggeroh noes16:50
shadeslayerjefferai is going to kill me16:50
shadeslayeri didnt leave #ubuntu-classroom16:50
shadeslayer:P16:50
shadeslayerSput: can you add something like /clear to clear buffers?16:52
Riddell** 10 minutes until Harald talks about Qt unicorn sparkles, 1 hour 10 mins until steveire talks about "Using Grantlee to create application themes", in #ubuntu-classroom16:52
shadeslayerRiddell: i still dont understand what you mean earlier about kdelibs-dbg bug16:53
Riddellshadeslayer: where?16:53
shadeslayer<Riddell> shadeslayer: well it won't be in maverick, it'll have moved to kdebase-runtime-dbg, that's the bug16:54
Riddellshadeslayer: according to the bug it moved from kdelibs-dbg in lucid to kdebase-runtime-dbg in maverick16:54
Riddellso kdebase-runtime-dbg needs a Replaces: kdelibs-dbg (<<old version)16:54
shadeslayerok..16:54
shadeslayerahh16:54
Riddellbut do check that's correct first16:54
shadeslayerok ill have a look where kdelibs-dbg went16:55
shadeslayer:S ... lp timing out16:56
sheytanHey guys16:56
sheytanwhat do you think about a video that will show some cool features when user runs kubuntu first time?16:57
sheytanwe can do it for the next rlease16:57
dasKreechsheytan: streamed?16:58
sheytandasKreech no, put it on the cd16:58
shadeslayersheytan: no space on CD if youre thinking of putting it there16:58
shadeslayer:P16:58
sheytanshadeslayer removes some unneeded stuff like kmag (or how it's called)16:58
shadeslayersheytan: i cant get wallpapers on the CD and your talking about videos :D16:59
Riddelldantti_work: app-install isn't available on fedora?  but surely Richard would have written the Fedora bits first since it's his distro?16:59
sheytanshadeslayer another reason to switch to dvd :P16:59
dasKreechsheytan: You would like to take off the only means some people have to see the screen for a movie?16:59
sheytanshadeslayer with dvd we could include cool software like gimp kdenlive etc16:59
shadeslayeri agree16:59
dasKreechsheytan: Blu-Ray :)16:59
shadeslayerbut then... whats the limit?16:59
sheytanshadeslayer of the dvd?17:00
dasKreechsheytan: But you are arguing to the wrong people.  speak to sabdfl17:00
shadeslayerdasKreech: we can have the whole archive on Blu-Ray17:00
dasKreechshadeslayer: I know. would make the semi yearly choice as to what we ship really really quick17:00
shadeslayersheytan: no i mean, people who have low bandwidths, like me, would prefer to download 700 Megs17:00
shadeslayerthan download 4.7 GB's ...17:01
sheytanshadeslayer i really don't say you should replace cd with DVD :P17:01
sheytanshadeslayer and the dvd image doesn't really have to be 4.7 gig17:01
shadeslayeralso.. you can fit 700 MB's onto a 1 GB USB17:01
yofelplease keep the dvd << 4GiB though, I don't want to get 8GiB flash drives for them :/17:01
shadeslayersheytan: i guess it can go onto the DVD17:02
shadeslayerbut then Riddell maintains the seeds :)17:02
shadeslayeri cant help there 17:02
sheytanif you add few apps to the ~700mb cd image, it will not be 4.7 gig. ;P17:02
* yofel is gone for a while17:02
shadeslayersheytan: apps + translations17:02
sheytanshadeslayer what's the size of current dvd?17:03
shadeslayersheytan: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/17:03
shadeslayer3.7 GB17:03
sheytanlol :D17:03
Riddellwe already don't include everything on the DVD that we'd like17:09
Riddellbut if there's a cool video which doesn't take up large amounts of space that could be included17:09
markeyguys17:20
markeyMaverick's liblastfm is borked17:20
markeyAmarok no longer builds with it17:20
markeytry it :)17:20
markey:: error: CMakeFiles/amarok_service_lastfm.dir/LastFmTreeModel.o: in function LastFmTreeModel::slotAddNeighbors():/home/mark/kde/src/amarok/src/services/lastfm/LastFmTreeModel.cpp:97: error: undefined reference to 'lastfm::ws::ParseError::~ParseError()'17:20
markeyand more17:20
markeyanyone know what Git revision you used for it?17:21
markey<lfranchi> make sure you have 0fd9f298a18ced1b497b17:21
markeyRiddell: apachelogger: ^17:21
shadeslayermarkey: IIRC lex packaged a new upload17:22
Riddellmarkey: we know, fix is packaged, was just waiting for RC to get uploaded17:22
markeythanks Riddell :)17:22
Riddelldebfx: did you ever hear from the Debian packager?  is he going to fix the package there?17:23
shadeslayerRiddell: also kdebase-runtime doesnt have a dbg install file17:24
Riddell-dbg packages get made magically17:25
Riddellwhen the files get stripped17:25
dasKreechyofel: a 4GB USB drive won't hold a full DVD in any case17:25
shadeslayerRiddell: thats parsed automagically in rules?17:27
Riddellshadeslayer: yes17:27
shadeslayercant we remove that one file from either of the pacakge?17:29
shadeslayeroh wait17:29
shadeslayerthats stripped using rules, cant do that17:29
Riddellwhy would we?17:29
shadeslayerright... i guess it should have a breaks, replaces for it17:30
shadeslayereach should break/replace the other17:31
shadeslayerReplaces: kdelibs5-dbg (<< 4:4.1.80), kdebase-dbg (<< 4:4.2.90), kdebase-workspace-dbg (<< 4:4.2.90) :: already there17:31
Riddellverion needs updating kdelibs5-dbg (<< 4:4.5.0)  or something17:33
shadeslayerhmm17:33
* Riddell out17:33
shadeslayercan i put in a break/replaces http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/control#L51417:33
shadeslayerthere ^17:34
jefferaishadeslayer: why would I kill you?17:34
shadeslayerjefferai: because the logs would have shot your DB again :D17:34
* jefferai shrugs17:35
jefferaithe DB is already huge17:35
shadeslayerah ..17:35
jefferainot much to be done about it at this point17:35
shadeslayerhow come a few 10K of lines cause a huge DB?17:35
shadeslayeri mean a few MB's at most per user17:35
jefferaiuntil such a time as you can delete  a large buffer without it kicking everyone off and losing its connection to networks17:35
jefferaishadeslayer: what do you mean a few MB per user?17:36
shadeslayerjefferai: quassel stores logs for each channel right? text is just a few Bytes, so each channel can be a max of a few 100 KB or 1 MB at most17:36
shadeslayerif im in 15 channels, that would be ~20 MB17:37
jefferaishadeslayer: you are sooooooooooooooo wrong17:37
shadeslayerok tell me how it works then? :P17:37
jefferairight now there are 6 or 7 people on my core17:37
jefferaiand we have a 8.5GB database17:37
shadeslayer:O17:37
jefferaiand that's with a vacuum being run every night17:38
shadeslayerthats about 1.2 GB for each guy17:38
jefferaiyes17:38
shadeslayerzomg.. 17:38
jefferaiI'm not sure why you think each channel is max a few 100 KB17:38
shadeslayerjefferai: because text doesnt take up alot of space?17:39
jefferaia lot of text takes up a lot of space17:39
stikonasHello, I have a strange problem on 10.10. After installing any ttf* package something (I guess fontconfig scripts) changes default KDE font.17:39
stikonasHas anybody seen anything like this?17:40
shadeslayerno17:41
jefferaishadeslayer: the real problem is you underestimate just how much text there is in all the various channels that people are joined to17:46
jefferaiand in addition17:46
jefferaihow long they've been joined to it17:46
shadeslayerok i agree that the logs get larger as people dont leave the channel17:46
sheytanshadeslayer stikonas for me the font changes when i enter locale KCM17:46
sheytanthis is really a bug17:46
shadeslayerbut.. for ever day i think it wont be more than 1 MB17:47
shadeslayersheytan: stikonas so you install new font > font changes to newly installed font?17:47
sheytanto reproduce: change general font to something, restart systemsettings, start again, enter locale kcm, restart ss, checkout if font changed17:47
sheytanshadeslayer ^17:47
stikonasshadeslayer: no, it always changes to Balker17:48
stikonasI've tried deleting Balker font, then it changes to some other font17:48
shadeslayerok so it doesnt follow the settings as defined by you?17:48
sheytanshadeslayer yes17:48
sheytanbut only when you enter locale kcm17:48
sheytanatleast for me17:48
stikonassheytan: maybe your reproduction is more correct, since I haven't produced reliable way to reproduce the problem17:49
sheytanstikonas try it too17:49
stikonasit doesn't work, maybe I'm doing something wrong17:51
shadeslayerworks for me17:51
sheytanshadeslayer you mean the font changes to crap? :D17:52
shadeslayerwell17:52
shadeslayeri installed the ubuntu fonts > went to ss > changed fonts to ubuntu fonts > restart SS > go to KCM locale > restart SS > fonts are same17:53
shadeslayerthey do look crap tho17:53
shadeslayerthe ubuntu fonts17:53
shadeslayereverything is squashed17:54
sheytanshadeslayer are you on RC?17:54
shadeslayeryus17:54
sheytanmaybe something changed17:54
sheytanfor me the font changes to something else17:54
sheytani mean when i have ubuntu, it changes to the Balker17:54
sheytanor something17:54
shadeslayercould be a cache issue17:55
sheytanshadeslayer please take a look at it and fix if you can :)17:56
shadeslayersorry cant have a look... :(17:56
sheytananyone else?17:57
bulldog98apachelogger: nice presentation, but I have to hurry (by)18:00
shadeslayeryofel: pingly18:01
shadeslayeryofel: is that a karmic -> lucid PPA upgrade ?18:02
shadeslayerInstallationMedia: Kubuntu 9.10 "Karmic Koala" - Release amd64 (20091027.1) :S18:02
shadeslayerill look at this tomorrow then, since yofel is afk ...18:06
* apachelogger thinks that version of Widgetcraft was much better compared to UDW, if not as fancy.18:07
apacheloggershadeslayer: did you follow?18:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: i was having dinner at that time :P18:08
* shadeslayer will read logs18:08
apacheloggeroh, ok :)18:09
* apachelogger needs some feedback18:09
dantti_workRiddell: yes, there is no app-install in Fedora yet, the yum/rpm guys are not happy with a bunch of metadata in that package...18:11
* apachelogger really needs to try grantlee18:58
apacheloggersteveire: btw, do you think we should package the examples? I am sure one could integrate them in qtcreator somehow18:58
steveirePossibly. How would that work by the way? would they just be a source pacakge?18:59
steveireThey are not currently part of the build18:59
steveireI don't think they make loads of sense as binaries. The point is to look at the code :)19:00
apacheloggersteveire: yes, package with sources19:04
steveireI'll mention it to bricks maybe.19:05
steveireHe maintains the package in debian19:05
apachelogger*nod*19:05
steveireI'll see him next week probably, so I'll corner him to make hi package the 0.1.6 release including examples.19:06
steveireI'm gone for the weekend now. Bye.19:06
Daskreechdoes anyone have debhelper installed?19:16
DaskreechIt lists dh_prep as an installed file but installing it doesn't give a dh_prep command19:18
Daskreechhmm ok resolved :)19:28
sheytanRC still doesn't install mp3 codecs when selected in installer :P19:37
yofelshadeslayer: erm, no? I just installed karmic on that machine, upgraded to lucid half a year ago and now upgraded to maverick. You could very well have Warty as "InstallationMedia"19:49
ScottKOr Sarge.19:51
ScottKPre-Edgy cross-grades weren't particularly impossible.19:51
DaskreechLOL19:51
DaskreechWho's your daddy?19:52
DaskreechUmm Debian19:52
DaskreechDebian what? 19:52
DaskreechSir! Debian Sarge Sir!19:52
sabdfloh dear19:55
sabdflRiddell: you realise apachelogger is going to accuse me of preventing kubuntu from having the beauty of the ubuntu font in the interface at the same time as that other desktop ;-)19:56
* ScottK sighs.19:59
ScottKWhat has apachelogger done now?20:00
* Daskreech signs20:00
macoDaskreech: s/h/n/?20:00
Daskreechs\s/h/n/\20:00
macoO_O20:02
Daskreech:-D20:03
sheytansomeone wants to help me out with kubuntu web page?20:07
apacheloggersabdfl: well, are you20:08
apachelogger?20:08
apacheloggerin any case I personally would not want a font that does not do hebrew or arabic or kanji or ...20:09
ScottKapachelogger: No.  That was me.20:09
apacheloggerScottK: what have you done now? :P20:09
ScottKapachelogger: Remember the KC discussion where we decided to seed the font, but not make it default?20:10
ScottKThat one.20:10
ScottKsabdfl: Not making the font default for Maverick was a community decision.  Not even nixternal could blame you for that one.20:10
apacheloggerI am sure nixternal could20:10
ScottKOK.  Maybe nixternal.20:11
apacheloggerbut today is blame nigelb day, so...20:11
ScottKOh, right.  Forgot.20:11
apacheloggeralso I propose that tomorrow be blame phonon day20:11
JontheEchidnaWe did ask that Kubuntu's PR position to be taken in to consideration when deciding whether or not to have the font as a default for Ubuntu...20:14
JontheEchidnathough I do wonder if that reply harald sent actually got to all the intended parties: http://imgur.com/riUNz20:15
JontheEchidnaat any rate, I think that changing the default Ubuntu font this late in the game and giving derivatives 0 time to do proper governance on the issue would be severely callous.20:16
apacheloggerI actually like how documentation screenies will look out of sync with the system if the font gets changed now 20:16
JontheEchidnayeah, it totally breaks UI freeze in that regard, in perhaps the most severe way possible20:17
apacheloggertheme change would be more servere I think20:17
apacheloggeranyhow20:17
* apachelogger goes back to poking phonon and vlc with a long fluffy stick20:18
ScottKI'm glad to give it time for people to try it in a release and see what the user feedback is.20:18
ScottKsabdfl: I just accepted the ubuntu-artwork change that makes it default, so it's in.20:20
Riddelltsk, I go away for a couple of hours and it's all flamewars while my back is turned :)20:20
macoRiddell: we let you in on the last flamewar!20:21
Riddellapachelogger: no font does all scripts, that's why fontconfig is clever at grabbing the missing glyphs from other fonts20:21
macoi thought Deja Vu was known to be the only complete Unicode font?20:22
apacheloggermaco: most complete, not entirely complete20:22
RiddellI think Arial Unicode is the only complete one20:22
apacheloggerRiddell: yes, but every other font does not look alien :P20:22
* apachelogger still thinks that the umlauts look completely odd btw20:23
macowoah. GNU Unifont has shedloads more characters and glyphs than deja vu20:24
macoit has 13,000 more than Arial Unicode does20:24
Riddellthat's a lot of glyphs, I hope they're all hinted and every different DPI20:24
macodeja vu sans has ~500020:25
maco<cite>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_typefaces</cite>20:25
apacheloggerhmmmmmmmm20:25
apacheloggermy phonon is broken20:25
* maco hands apachelogger a wrench20:25
apacheloggerScottK: you broke my phonon!!!!!!20:26
Riddellat least we're the first to have it on our website by default (if your browser supports CSS fonts) :)20:26
ScottKapachelogger: All that sound was just distracting you from coding anyway.20:26
markeycan we please have an updated LibLastFM? :)20:26
apacheloggermeh.20:26
markeyI can't build...20:26
apacheloggerohhhh20:27
ScottKapachelogger: I think shadeslayer was working on that, but then got lazy and went to sleep or something.  Someone ought to fix it.20:27
sabdflJontheEchidna: we did in fact provide a way for screenshotters to get the font, for that reason ;-)20:27
apacheloggerScottK: so I shall go to india and fix shadeslayer even though he is hopefully coming to disney world anyway? :O20:28
lex79poor shadeslayer20:29
ScottKThat for fix the package.  Whichever you fine more convenient.  Fortunately you won't be distracted by noise from your computer.20:29
ScottKfor/or20:30
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot66.png20:31
apacheloggerlook how off my colors are20:31
RiddellScottK: liblastfm uploaded if you are able to review and approve, else markey will convert to gentoo20:31
apacheloggerthat is like if my screen was seriously badly and entirely broken20:31
markeyGentoo, that's right! compiling all day and cursing20:31
apachelogger<3 cursing20:31
* apachelogger curses phonon and vlc20:33
ScottKRiddell: Looking20:34
* Daskreech checks if w3m supports CSS fonts20:34
apacheloggerbelay that curse!20:35
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot67.png20:35
apacheloggercolors20:35
apacheloggerlook a them colors20:35
apacheloggernot sure, but they still look a bit off though20:36
\shmarkey converts to gentoo?? *rotflbtc^5*20:40
* apachelogger giggles away20:40
ScottKRiddell and markey: liblastfm is accepted.20:41
markey\sh: I just started migrating. expect to be ready compiling by the end of the year20:41
markeyScottK: I love you20:41
markeywait, that did come out wrong20:41
markeyI like you!20:41
markeythanks :p20:41
ScottKYou're welcome.20:41
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=== jjesse_ is now known as jjesse
\shmarkey: lol...you started from stage 1 right? if not, you are not a gentoo ricer ;)20:42
markey\sh: planning to attend OpenRheinRuhr?20:43
Riddellwe should probably stop this gentoo flameage before Sput gets annoyed and leaves :)20:43
ScottKJontheEchidna: Please be fixing: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qapt/1.0.3-0ubuntu1/+build/1981389/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.qapt_1.0.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz20:43
JontheEchidnaScottK: no clue what's wrong. the thing builds perfectly on i38620:44
ScottKRiddell: I think he's used to the fact that we enjoy our obsolete software.20:44
debfxRiddell: could you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/amarok/mpris2-raise-fix/+merge/3699920:44
\shmarkey: I don't have the time .. we are in the middle of testing the deployment of half of our datacenter with lucid without downtimes...so this will bug me until the end of the year :(20:44
markeyok20:44
debfxamarok should be rebuilt anyway as liblastfm doesn't exactly stick to ABI compatibility20:44
JontheEchidnaScottK: btw, the KStatusNotifierItem bug I was hitting with kubuntu-notification-helper was fixed. For 11.04 I should be able to implement a tray icon mode20:45
ScottKJontheEchidna: OK.  I'll be happier when it builds on all archs ...20:45
Riddelldebfx: looks fine, you want to merge it or shall I?20:46
JontheEchidnaScottK: I suppose I'll just remove the offending symbols20:46
* ScottK averts his eyes.20:46
apacheloggermarkey: any clues as to what coudl go wrong if a qgraphicsitem only appears at resizing?20:47
apacheloggerthough it is constantly redrawn20:47
Riddellyou know I don't remember any meeting where we rejected using the Ubuntu font as default, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes/2010-07-27 says "We will decide on including the Ubuntu Font as our default font when it is publicly released"20:48
Riddelldebfx: I need to go out, I can upload amarok later20:49
JontheEchidnahmm, this is true. Maybe it's premature to feel pissy ;-)20:49
RiddellJontheEchidna: you'd be annoyed if we didn't get it?20:49
debfxRiddell: ok, i'll merge it20:50
JontheEchidnaRiddell: well, the PR not shipping with it would most certainly be quite negative20:50
Riddellyes20:50
JontheEchidnaand I do like the font, personally20:50
Riddellme too20:51
Riddellso if we're both +1, I wonder how that would leave a vote20:51
* Riddell eyes up apachelogger, ScottK, neversfelde and rgreening_ 20:51
* Riddell runs off to tea, debate to be continued later20:52
debfxJontheEchidna: you should build qapt 1.1 with -fvisibility=hidden :)20:52
JontheEchidnadebfx: would this mean I wouldn't have to expose symbols that I get from linking to other libraries?20:53
debfxJontheEchidna: mostly, yes20:54
apachelogger+0 (+maverick being not LTS making it a good target for that change +didnt get compelling bad feedback when we discussed this last -I personally still find the umlauts fishy -the fact that but a minor fraction of languages is supportted does not make me overly confident it would help our image of being an english-only distro -limited audience testing)20:56
JontheEchidnaScottK: if it's any consolation, the symbols I'm removing from the file don't come from libqapt, but libapt-pkg20:56
JontheEchidnaon the subject of other languages, fontconfig should fall back to other fonts if it can't find a certain glyph20:56
JontheEchidnaso at the very least it wouldn't change for other languages20:57
apacheloggerit does hurt coherence20:59
apacheloggery20:59
apacheloggerspecially since dejavu is a very complete font set and hence had surely greater coherency20:59
macoi like the font too21:01
CIA-116[kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100930200358-0u6hg637pl10xd8x * src/daemon/ (event.cpp event.h) Initial KStatusNotifierItem support. KNotification support can be turned off by setting the useKNotify option in the notificationhelper config file. No GUI for disabling it quite yet, though. Will come in time.21:05
debfxJontheEchidna: I actually tried building qapt with visiblity=hidden once but the problem is that qapt-batch uses the auto-generated dbus worker class21:05
JontheEchidna<3 autogenerated dbus interface21:05
JontheEchidnaoh, it's 4 pm. time to go21:06
debfxproblem is that you can't control its visibility21:06
JontheEchidnahmm21:06
JontheEchidnabe back in ~30 minutes21:07
ScottKRiddell: When we had the discussion about seeding it, I thought the conclusion was we would seed it, but not make it default.21:15
ScottKIn any case, I'm -1 on post RC changes to visible things like fonts except in emergencies (and this isn't one of those).21:16
ScottKBBL21:16
neversfeldeRiddell: didn't we already vote on having the font on the cd?21:22
neversfeldeah default21:24
lex79I think they are asking you if the font should be the default font21:24
lex79yes21:24
nixternalScottK and apachelogger: I coldn't even blame sabdfl for anything, as I have no clue wth is going on. I will admit I use and like the new Ubuntu font though :)21:26
neversfeldewell, we are too late in the cycle from my point of view. So I would vote -1, but I did not follow the discussion, because I am still mostly offline. 21:27
nixternal<-- offline mentally21:27
maconixternal: your turn to vote:  ubuntu font as default in 10.10 or no?21:28
nixternal+0 as I could care less to be honest. i like it if that counts for anything these days21:28
macoso that's two +1, two +0, and one -121:29
nixternali think a lot of users switch the font to droid first thing after an install anyways21:29
macooh wait two -121:29
macohmm currently at a tie. rgreening is the decision-maker then21:29
nixternalif it is a KC thing, why did I just vote?21:30
lex79maco: nixternal is not in the kubuntu council21:30
rgreening_Riddell: I'm ok with the font. So, I guess +1 from me21:30
macolex79: oh, Riddell mis-pinged him on the voting?21:30
macowell doesnt matter. he gave a 0 anyway :P21:30
lex79:)21:30
* maco SMS Riddell the result21:33
neversfeldewe should really decide such things before the first beta :)21:33
debfxindeed21:33
macothe decision was "wait til its released, then decide" :P21:33
debfxwhat are the arguments for changing the default font?21:34
debfxwhy is it a must-have?21:34
neversfeldeis it possible that we will get problems with localization again, for example not having proper Umlauts in german or something else?21:35
nixternalneversfelde: +1 actually stuff like this needs to be decided before UI freeze. though no docs were touched this release, it doesn't matter i guess21:35
lex79debfx: the argument is that ubuntu will be release with that font21:36
debfxlex79: yes, but why should we do the same?21:38
lex79debfx: use your imagination :P21:39
neversfeldeI remember a post about the font not supporting all languages on sabdfl's blog, but I might be wrong21:39
rgreening_when a font isn't available for a locale a sensiible defaul/fallback would be used21:39
sabdflthat's confirmed, yes21:40
sabdfli don't *think* kubuntu needs to do anything special there, i think that's freetype21:40
rgreening_yeah, pretty sure21:41
neversfeldeok21:41
neversfeldeso no special problem there, but we are still post RC ;)21:41
CIA-116[kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100930204759-mk92n829h8ij6fs5 * src/daemon/event.cpp More proper include for QStringBuilder21:48
lex79JontheEchidna: do you know (are you sure) if a glyph is not found, kubuntu can use a fallback ? or if we need to do some tricks?21:48
JontheEchidnafairly sure it's automatic21:51
lex79ok21:51
macoi have no trouble seeing japanese characters, and ive been using it as my font for a month21:52
maco*typing* them, on the other hand....  21:52
* maco scowls at ibus21:52
macohi seele_!21:53
neversfeldeI asked about translations, because we lost a lot of users and trust after the last time we shipped with broken translations, that should never ever happen again21:53
seele_maco: yo21:53
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lex79neversfelde: well we shipped also with a buggy kpackage kit and network manager :P21:55
neversfeldehehe21:55
neversfeldeyes21:55
lex79:D21:55
CIA-116[kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100930205435-c0lp61x3lvdelmhp * src/daemon/ (event.cpp event.h) Also add a config on whether or not to use a tray icon, and only show actions in the KNotifications if the KNotifications are being used exclusively.21:56
neversfeldeso time to be more stable21:57
nixternali guess i am going to have to get back into the swing of things. cycling season is coming to close here in chicago. yesterday and today was beautiful. rode a lot. tomorrow and this weekend, 'Freeze/Frost Advisory in effect' :(22:02
ScottKapachelogger needs to vote too.22:09
ScottKRiddell, JontheEchidna, and rgreening_: Have you checked to see how much of the docs/screenshots will have to be redone?22:09
apacheloggerI voted +022:09
ScottKOh.22:09
ScottKI know the stuff I did for claydoh yesterday used the old font.22:10
macoyeah so did my screenshot22:10
ScottKRight, so release is the new feature freeze.22:11
nixternalScottK: hahahahahahahahaha, docs/screenshots...that's funny. all screenshots (60+ I think)...22:12
nixternalnothing was changed in docs this go round. i was busy with life and it seems darkwing and jjesse were as well22:12
debfxScottK: we could still change the default font in lucid ...22:12
nixternalon that note, i need to find something to eat and get ready to go ride my bike some more :)22:12
* Tm_T huggles nixternal22:13
neversfeldewe are going to release in 10 days? That is not enough time to test and we really shouldn't do major changes after beta is released, better do them before feature freeze :(22:13
JontheEchidnaScottK: I think a different font would be the least of our concerns irt the doc pictures, if they haven't in fact been changed at all since last release22:14
ScottKJontheEchidna: True, but the ones for the release notes are all fresh.22:14
JontheEchidnaI would volunteer to redo all of those22:15
ScottKGreat.22:15
ScottKclaydoh: ^^^22:15
JontheEchidnaneversfelde: as a note, the font has been tested by k/ubuntu-members for a few months already22:18
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: ok, but the time after beta and rc is important, because everything is tested by a bigger community, so I am still against major chages after first beta22:20
sheytanhttp://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/876381-9302010110110PM22:21
sheytanalready working stuff :D22:21
neversfeldefrom my point of view it is not enough, if only developers are testing things, because they are experienced users22:21
JontheEchidnaI don't think that a font change is a large change from a technical point of view. Low risk as long as at least people with vision have been running it for a few months and haven't seen catastrophic failure. ;-)22:21
JontheEchidnaimho22:22
ScottKClearly we need a different name for our "Release Candidate" milestone because it's nothing of the sort.22:23
ScottKNot just this change, but others too.22:23
JontheEchidnawell, we broke just about every freeze possible in updating KPK after beta ;-)22:24
JontheEchidnaworth it, but we did break feature, string, and UI freeze in doing so22:24
JontheEchidnaclearly in retaliation for being forced to release early on 10.10.10 :P22:24
lex79=4222:25
apacheloggerwe only freeze so that we have more politics anyway22:25
apacheloggerit is not like those freezes have any enforcement whatsoever, well except for we-are-rolling-a-release-image-freeze22:26
JontheEchidnaThere is merit for UI and string freezes aside from politics22:27
JontheEchidnalike, allowing translators and documentators to be able to work ;-)22:27
apacheloggerand only expect 50% of the stuff to change rather than 100, right? :P22:27
* apachelogger gets all grumpy over phonon 22:29
apacheloggerbah22:29
apacheloggerto be continued...22:29
apacheloggeractually I have a maths exam in like 10 hours22:29
nonickname2no freezes? does that also count for plymouth themes? :P 22:29
nonickname2nitpick admittedly, but http://imagebin.ca/view/U73NFMyX.html is looking ... suboptimal at best (running in virtualbox)22:30
apacheloggerit is not like vbox is our target device22:31
apachelogger(can one even call it a device?)22:31
nonickname2yes, but it would nevertheless be nice if the text theme (assuming that it is the text theme) had properly readable, nicely-coloured text22:32
apacheloggerit seems the phonon-graphisviewvideoitem that worked yesterday is broken today22:32
apacheloggerhooray hooray22:32
apacheloggereither someone broke vlc or phonon or something in between22:32
* yofel looks at the splash of his today upgraded desktop pc that looks exactly like that and shudders... (nvidia)22:33
apacheloggerno vidia22:34
apacheloggerhm22:37
apacheloggeryesterday i updated vlc it seems22:38
apacheloggerand today my stuff is broken22:38
apacheloggerone has to wonder22:38
lex79plymouth is broken, but I'm wondering when it wasn't22:38
lex79:P22:38
neversfeldethe whole maverick kernel does not really work with my ideapad :)22:39
* Riddell wanders back22:39
Riddella plus point for the Ubuntu font is it's the only font in the world to include the new Rupee symbol22:40
Riddellso that'll make a billion Indians instantly fans22:40
JontheEchidnaand also Legend of Zelda fans22:40
lex79what about klingon?22:40
RiddellJontheEchidna: Zelda uses Indian Rupees?22:41
lex79JontheEchidna: I'm a fan of Zelda :)22:41
JontheEchidnaRiddell: no, but the currency is called that :P22:41
Riddelllex79: as far as I know no free desktop has a non-romanised Klingon translation, so that's a non issue22:41
JontheEchidnahttp://z.about.com/f/wiki/e/en/1/1a/Zelda_rupees.png22:41
lex79Riddell: ok we can sleep well then22:42
Riddellon the docs screenshots, well the docs haven't been updated this cycle so they're all out of date anyway22:42
JontheEchidnaprobably because there aren't any non-romanised klingon keyboards :P22:43
Riddellwell I make that +3 and -1 on the font, so I think we can change it22:45
* lex79 discovered mulve (the new napster)22:46
ScottKRiddell: Since JontheEchidna volunteered to redo the screenshots for the release notes, I think it's OK from a screen shot perspective.22:46
RiddellJontheEchidna: can you make the change to kubuntu-default-settings?  I'm not at my home machine just now22:50
JontheEchidnaI will just after I commit this:22:51
CIA-116[kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100930215142-q8mytkkee5y1yfv3 * src/kcmodule/ (2 files) Add a GUI for selecting notify type to the KCM. Now I just have to wire the KCM and the Daemon together so that the settings control the daemon and vice versa22:52
Riddellbut kubuntu-notification-helper already has a kcm for selecting notifications no?22:53
JontheEchidnatray icon vs knotify22:54
JontheEchidnavs both, where the knotify will not have actions22:54
JontheEchidnaand will be nonpersistant22:54
* JontheEchidna checking out k-d-s22:55
Riddellnice to have options I suppose22:56
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JontheEchidnait was part of the maverick specs, but I had to defer because of a KStatusNotifierItem bug: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickUpdates22:59
Riddelltsk to KStatusNotifierItem23:00
lex79someone saw that with ubuntu font there's no padding in the buttons ?23:02
lex79http://imagebin.ca/view/d0BrTV8.html23:03
lex79http://imagebin.ca/view/4k96SNe.html23:03
lex79the second, with ubuntu font, OK button doesn't look nice23:03
Riddellconvince the someone to report a bug23:04
Riddellupstream are pretty responsive23:04
* JontheEchidna got bit by the "restarting kwin compositing crashes kwin" bug23:06
JontheEchidnaRiddell: so what's the recommended way of changing the default font? kdeglobals?23:07
danttiRiddell: you said from today kpk should be packaged or it's like last date today?23:09
Riddelldantti: we can still add patches if there's important fixes23:09
Riddelltomorrow is ok too23:09
RiddellJontheEchidna: yes I think kdeglobals23:09
Riddellalthough we do need to check it doesn't cause the same issues as lex79 found last time23:10
JontheEchidnathat was due to sans not being a real font, iirc.23:10
JontheEchidnamaking k-d-s depend on the ubuntu font should be enough23:10
Riddelland setting it in kdeglobals23:10
danttiRiddell: k, there are a bunch of fixes, also I asked i18n to translate till monday when I'd do 0.6.2 official, so i don't know what's best for you.23:11
JontheEchidnaright23:11
lex79what about qtcurve? we have to change something also there?23:11
lex79or qtcurve parses kdeglobals?23:11
debfxyes, we need to patch kdeglobals in qtcurve23:12
danttiRiddell: there is still that icon problem which I don't think is related to KStatusNotifierItem, and I found a way to crash plasma :P23:12
lex79good qtcurve will not be sync'd anymore with debian :)23:13
Riddell"patch kdeglobals in qtcurve" what does that mean?23:15
Riddelldantti: translations are done I'm afraid, I took a snapshot from today and launchpad will generate the language packs over night23:15
Riddellalthough we can still do updates, I think they get uploaded every few weeks after release23:15
Riddelldantti: but important code fixes are fine so long as an archive admin can sensibly eye them over and be happy they won't break things23:16
danttiRiddell: right, so if you if you prefer to do today, give me just a few minutes that I forgot to add the package version to the description of the package (if not shown in the list), I'm sure ppl will complain about this23:18
debfxRiddell: qtcurve doesn't link to kde so it has to parse the kdeglobals files manually23:20
debfxand it has an embedded kdeglobals file which is supposed to have the defaults23:20
Riddelldebfx: sounds messy23:24
JontheEchidnahmm23:26
JontheEchidnakdeglobals didn't quite do it. Got Anadale Mono23:26
JontheEchidnaoh, typo on my part. ;-)23:27
JontheEchidnaforgot to capitalize ubuntu23:27
JontheEchidnaHuge success: http://imgur.com/luAoP23:32
JontheEchidnamore directly: http://imgur.com/aWYt223:32
JontheEchidnaer23:32
JontheEchidnapastebin applet changed my clipboard contents :/23:32
JontheEchidnahttp://i.imgur.com/luAoP.png23:32
persiaRiddell, I don't know much about dove, other than that it is not available to most folk.  "omap" is for beagle boards, IGEPv2 boards.  "omap4" is for the new "panda" boards and some 2-screen development unit called "Blaze".  I believe you want omap (as that is what most random folk seem to have) for everything, and you may want omap4 for desktop/netbook (for demos).  I defer to ian_brasil/rbelem about omap4 for mobile, but I think they current23:36
persialy recommend disassembly of an image and insertion of an N900 kernel, so the specific image is less important.23:36
rbelemguys, I'm not finding some info about dolphin plugins. Do you know where I can find more info or whom??23:36
RiddellJontheEchidna: score23:37
Riddellrbelem: e-mailing the authors? (they don't use IRC)23:37
Riddellapachelogger has looked into Dolphin plugins23:38
Riddellrbelem: but aren't you more interested in file properties dialogue plugins?23:38
rbelemyup23:38
Riddellrbelem: can't you just start with the old samba file properties dialogue plugin as a template?23:38
Riddelldantti: e-mail me the patch and I'll upload it tomorrow morning23:40
* Riddell snoozes23:40
danttiRiddell: k, good :)23:40
rbelemRiddell, I'm starting from that, but I still need more info, like path, owner and permission.23:41
rbelempersia, this weekend we will write the docs about installing plasma-mobile on n900 :-)23:42
rbelemapachelogger, \o/23:44
persiarbelem, Cool.23:45
rbelemoh! i just found the info that i need :-)23:48

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