[00:00] <b234> if I have to do anything other than install to use it then I'm not.
[00:00] <stlsaint> please look in your /etc/X11 directory and see if its there
[00:02] <b234> I don't see a xorg.conf file in the etc/x11 directory
[00:17] <stlsaint> b234: sorry about delay
[00:18] <b234> no worries
[00:18] <b234> I appreciate the help and have been trying to google my way thru for a couple days now. A couple minutes here or there is nothing
[00:18] <stlsaint> b234: what are your system specs?
[00:19] <b234> it's a toshiba laptop running the intel 945 gm embedded graphics
[00:19] <b234> 2 gb ram, dual core, 200 gb hard drive
[00:20] <stlsaint> same as mine, minus the intel graphics, nvidia all the way :D
[00:21] <b234> grins - I wish it were so
[00:21] <b234> everything works just fine on my older and smaller laptop - with nvidia
[00:22] <stlsaint> b234: seems the intel grapchis set is running slow for alot of folks
[00:23] <b234> aye, there seems to be a lot of trouble and the explanations on how to fix it very sparse for a linux beginner
[00:24] <stlsaint> b234: yea i havent found any solid fixes yet
[00:24] <stlsaint> i think a bug was filed on it
[00:25] <stlsaint> as of right now im not sure what to tell ya man, hopefully maverick will be better for ya
[00:26] <b234> well thanks for the time looking....many of the fixes I've seen reference the xorg.conf file - is there a good beginners guide for activating and using it?
[00:27] <stlsaint> b234: you are wanting to use xorg.conf?
[00:27] <b234> I think so
[00:28] <stlsaint> alright, we will try, just remember that if you boot and cannot get to your desktop, than just use the livecd to remove the xorg.conf to get you back to your current state!! kk?
[00:29] <b234> ok, not a worry at all - it's a fresh install and easily replaced
[00:29] <stlsaint> oh, well you wont need to reinstall, just remove xorg ;)
[00:30] <b234> very easy
[00:30] <stlsaint> alright, first run lspci | grep VGA
[00:30] <stlsaint> in terminal
[00:30] <stlsaint> open another terminal
[00:31] <stlsaint> go to your /etc/X11 directory
[00:31] <stlsaint> cd /etc/X11
[00:31] <stlsaint> run command in terminal: sudo Xorg -configure
[00:31] <b234> hang on
[00:32] <b234> getting to the x11 directory
[00:32] <b234> how do I open a terminal at root instead of user
[00:32] <b234> or get to root
[00:32] <stlsaint> b234: just open the terminal and run: sudo -i
[00:33] <stlsaint> if you are running a root terminal (be careful) but you wont need the sudo on any of the commands
[00:34] <b234> ok, did sudo -i, still says no such file or directory when I cd /etc/x11
[00:34] <stlsaint> b234: linux in all forms is case sensitive
[00:35] <stlsaint> b234: instead of x11 it must be X11
[00:35] <b234> arg, of course, sorry - I'm there
[00:35] <stlsaint> hehe np
[00:35] <stlsaint> now run the command Xorg -configure
[00:36] <b234> fatal server error: server is already active for display 0
[00:37] <b234> if this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again
[00:37] <stlsaint> hehe, crap sorry i forgot, you must not have x running
[00:38] <b234> ok
[00:38] <stlsaint> b234: you must use login console to run command, you may have to boot to the recovery mode, drop to cli then run command
[00:38] <stlsaint> b234: do you have another system you can use to connect to this channel on while running xorg config on this system?
[00:39] <b234> ok, how do I boot to recovery mode?
[00:39] <b234> I am on a different system
[00:39] <stlsaint> b234: oh ok
[00:39] <stlsaint> b234: on the slow system are you dual booting? meaning do you get to your grub at bootup or does it go straight to ubuntu login screen
[00:39] <b234> straight to ubuntu
[00:40] <b234> I am trying to only run windows in windows
[00:40] <b234> grins
[00:40] <stlsaint> b234: ok, than at bootup you are going to have to hit the shift button during bootup so that you can get to grub screen
[00:41] <b234> ok
[00:41] <stlsaint> b234: at grub screen you will see the option to boot into recovery mode
[00:42] <b234> ok, I have a menu in recovery mode
[00:42] <stlsaint> cool, you see a option to get to command line
[00:43] <b234> root shell prompt?
[00:43] <stlsaint> sure
[00:44] <stlsaint> are you able to get to your Desktop or Documents or any other data from there?
[00:45] <b234> not hat I can see, just a blinking cursr and ls gives me nothing
[00:45] <stlsaint> what does pwd give you?
[00:45] <stlsaint> command pwd
[00:46] <b234> slash rot
[00:46] <b234> root
[00:46] <stlsaint> what is your user name on the system?
[00:46] <b234> pg
[00:46] <stlsaint> run this command:
[00:46] <stlsaint> cd /pg/home/etc/X11
[00:48] <stlsaint> it work?
[00:48] <b234> there seems to be no X11 directory
[00:48] <stlsaint> b234: can you get to: cd /pg/home
[00:49] <b234> ok, it's /home/pg
[00:49] <stlsaint> cd etc
[00:49] <b234> and there's no etc
[00:50] <stlsaint> sorry, cd /etc
[00:50] <aveilleux> stlsaint: Don't you mean /etc?
[00:50] <aveilleux> stlsaint: There you go :P
[00:50] <stlsaint> aveilleux: HUSH!!
[00:50]  * aveilleux cowers from stlsaint
[00:50] <b234> laughs
[00:50] <stlsaint> lol
[00:50] <stlsaint> aveilleux: sup
[00:50] <b234> ok, try again...there is no /home/pg/etc
[00:50] <b234> there is a /etc
[00:51] <aveilleux> stlsaint: Not much, finally making my system Linux-only
[00:51] <stlsaint> aveilleux: bout time :P
[00:51] <b234> and there is a /etc/X11
[00:51] <aveilleux> he
[00:51] <aveilleux> heh
[00:51] <stlsaint> b234: alright, do: cd /etc/X11
[00:52] <b234> ok
[00:52] <stlsaint> now run Xorg -configure
[00:53] <b234> cool
[00:53] <stlsaint> did it run?
[00:53] <b234> it did
[00:54] <stlsaint> does running: ls      show a xorg.conf file now?
[00:54] <b234> and says my xorg config file is /root/xorg.config.new
[00:54] <stlsaint> hrm, run these commands
[00:55] <stlsaint> b234: does it say config or conf?
[00:56] <b234> conf
[00:56] <stlsaint> alright we are going to try a different move here:
[00:56] <stlsaint> run commands:
[00:57] <stlsaint> (are you in the /etc/X11 directory still)
[00:57] <b234> yes
[00:58] <stlsaint> cp xorg.conf.new /pg/home/xorg.conf
[00:58] <stlsaint> ^^run command
[00:58] <stlsaint> crap i meant to put on desktop but oh wells :D
[00:59] <stlsaint> alright now run:
[00:59] <stlsaint> cp xorg.conf.new xorg.conf
[00:59] <b234> ok
[00:59] <stlsaint> alright now just because im anal run:
[01:00] <stlsaint> mv /pg/home/xorg.conf /pg/home/Desktop/xorg.conf
[01:00] <b234> chuckles
[01:00] <stlsaint> lol
[01:00] <aveilleux> b234: put /me in front of action commands. ie. /me chuckles
[01:01]  * b234 thanks you
[01:01] <aveilleux> :3
[01:01]  * stlsaint sticks nose up at aveilleux...i could have said it! :P
[01:01] <aveilleux> But you didn't!
[01:01] <aveilleux> :P
[01:01] <stlsaint> b234: you run last command
[01:01] <stlsaint> hehe, i know
[01:02] <stlsaint> b234: poke
[01:03] <stlsaint> b234: reboot and see if it made a difference ;)
[01:03] <b234> hang on a sec
[01:07] <b234> ok, rebooting
[01:08] <b234> it does look different
[01:08] <b234> still no 3d in vmware
[01:09] <stlsaint> different as in better looking?
[01:09] <stlsaint> well you have to enable it
[01:09] <b234> ahso
[01:09] <b234> and yes, it seems sharper
[01:10] <stlsaint> if you want you can always change the name of xorg.confg to xorg.config.old to see your old setup then come back to new setup to see difference better ;)
[01:11] <stlsaint> go to System>Preferences>Appearance and go to the visual effects tab and change to last button
[01:11] <bodhi> http://bodhizazen.net/video/
[01:11] <bodhi> my first html5 page !!
[01:12] <aveilleux> Purdy
[01:12] <b234> stlsaint: it's on extra visual effects
[01:12] <aveilleux> What format is the video? h.265?
[01:12] <bodhi> ogg
[01:12] <codehead> hi all
[01:12] <aveilleux> Huh, then that's weird
[01:13] <stlsaint> yea it is
[01:13] <b234> stlsaint: so which .conf file do I edit?
[01:13] <aveilleux> Opera should support vorbis in HTML5
[01:13] <aveilleux> They say it does anyway :V
[01:13] <bodhi> video is Theora
[01:13] <stlsaint> bodhi: doesnt work for me
[01:13] <aveilleux> that one
[01:13] <aveilleux> theora
[01:13] <aveilleux> "ogg" in general
[01:13] <bodhi> stlsaint, what browser ?
[01:13] <stlsaint> b234: that setup should be very good for you. You should be able to use wobbly windows better and get better effects
[01:13] <stlsaint> bodhi: chrome
[01:14] <stlsaint> b234: as for vmware im sorry i dont use it. on lappy i use box and on servers openvz and lxc! no vmware ;)
[01:14] <bodhi> stlsaint, did you ever get tor running ?
[01:14] <codehead> i finally got Ubuntu installed on my HP desktop, but I think some packages may be corrupted
[01:14] <aveilleux> codehead: What makes you think that?
[01:14] <codehead> so i'm trying to reinstall it
[01:14] <stlsaint> bodhi: nope :(
[01:15] <bodhi> LOL
[01:15] <stlsaint> codehead: reinstall?? just fix packages (if possible)
[01:15] <stlsaint> brb folks
[01:15] <codehead> well, i tried to get MySQL running, but it gives me a bad package message
[01:16] <codehead> and i'm in an infinite loop
[01:16] <codehead> with ubuntu
[01:16] <aveilleux> codehead: Did you clean the Apt cache?
[01:16] <aveilleux> codehead: sudo aptitude clean
[01:16] <b234> stlsaint: thanks for all your help - I picked vmware ecause it's supposed to give the vm direct hardware access, unlike box, so even if linux doesn't properly recognise hardware it should pass thru for windows to use - recommend anything to try?
[01:16] <aveilleux> b234: VBox provides direct hardware interface
[01:17] <aveilleux> b234: I assume you're referring to USB devices et al
[01:17] <bodhi> stlsaint, they say you need ffmpeg installed for chromium
[01:17] <bodhi> Not sure as I have it installed and it does not work
[01:17] <codehead> i'll try that now
[01:17] <b234> aveileux: vbox didn't work with my printer,which oesn't have linux drivers
[01:18] <aveilleux> b234: Did you mount it by device name?
[01:18] <aveilleux> b234: ie. in the VBox panel, you mount a USB device and you pick it by device name (/dev/usbX)
[01:18] <b234> aveilleux: the linux device name? linux doesn't recognise it properly and so didn't pass thru properly
[01:19] <aveilleux> b234: No, no. The device still physically exists in Linux.
[01:19] <aveilleux> b234: Just because you can't use it in Linux doesn't mean it's not there.
[01:20] <aveilleux> b234: Basically everything in the /dev directory is physical hardware. You can access the entire physical machine from in there, regardless of whether Ubuntu has drivers for it or not.
[01:20] <b234> aveilleux: hmm, probably not by the sound of it? you mean pass thru the usb port rather than what's attached to the port?
[01:20] <aveilleux> b234: You can't pass through a port like that. You can pass through a block-level device, though.
[01:22] <aveilleux> b234: That's how it's always worked for me... I had a DJ controller that didn't work in Linux, so I made an XP virtual machine in VBox and passed the device through as an attached device and it worked like a charm
[01:23] <b234> aveilleux: I'm not sure now. The problem I had was that linux slapped a generic printer on my printer and passed it thru as the generic printer. I've got a wide format printer.
[01:23] <codehead> aveilleux: apt is clean...can i do a LAMP reinstall?
[01:24] <aveilleux> codehead: Uh, I guess. You can just sudo aptitude install php5 mysql and it'll install Apache as well
[01:24] <bodhi> stlsaint, although chrome/chromium is making progress, it still kind of sucks
[01:30] <codehead> aveilleux: mysql server 5.1 is installed...now i need access to the database
[01:31] <codehead> what is the default login/pwd?
[01:32] <seidos> codehead, i don't think there is one.  the installer should have asked you to enter a username/pwd for mysql.
[01:33] <codehead> it did on my first install, but it doesn't like the username/pwd now
[01:34] <b234> I'm out, thanks very much stlsaint, I really appreciate the time.
[01:35] <seidos> codehead, i don't know.  not sure what happened, but i couldn't even venture a guess as to how the password would have changed without your consent/knowledge
[01:35] <aveilleux> codehead: Try making a database. It'll ask you for one then. mysqladmin -u root create databasename
[01:38] <codehead> access denied for user root@localhost (using password: NO)
[01:38] <aveilleux> Err
[01:38] <aveilleux> mysqladmin -u root -p create databasename
[01:40] <aveilleux> codehead: If that fails, try mysqladmin -u root password <PASSWORD>
[01:40] <codehead> lol....it did something, but it didn't ask me for a pwd!
[01:40] <aveilleux> codehead: That should, in theory, recreate the "root" account
[01:40] <aveilleux> codehead: That means sql isn't password-protected... I would do that if I were you
[01:41] <codehead> still can't connect
[01:42] <codehead> tried no pwd and pwd that i originally assigned at initial installation
[01:43] <aveilleux> codehead: Try sudo aptitude purge mysql... that should take out the configuration in /etc and clean everything out
[01:43] <aveilleux> codehead: Followed by sudo aptitude install mysql of course
[01:46] <codehead> no joy
[01:46] <aveilleux> Weird...
[01:47] <aveilleux> I installed mysql like, two weeks ago and it worked fine for me
[01:47] <aveilleux> and it hasn't updated since then
[01:48] <codehead> yeah....i have a monkey on my back all the time (if i didn't have bad luck, i wouldn't have any luck at all!).  ;-)
[01:50] <codehead> speaking of which....my cable just went belly up!  ;-(
[01:51] <codehead> i'm done with this monkey for tonight...gotta see if i get my cable back up!  ;-) thx!
[01:52] <aveilleux> See you
[03:28] <dwileman> I can't get on the internet without Java here at college. Do I need to be online to install Java for Ubuntu?
[05:14] <vic20gmr> where might i find a webpage telling me if it is legal for me to use gstreamer or not?
[05:14] <vic20gmr> something reliable
[05:15] <aveilleux> vic20gmr: What country are you in?
[05:15] <vic20gmr> usa
[05:15] <CassandraKos> you need to check your own country's legislation
[05:15] <aveilleux> It's legal in the US
[05:15] <vic20gmr> can u point me to a source?
[05:16] <vic20gmr> not source code
[05:16] <CassandraKos> it is legal here in australia
[05:16] <aveilleux> Uh
[05:16] <aveilleux> I live in the US?
[05:16] <CassandraKos> which country's laws do you need to look up?
[05:16] <vic20gmr> thank you both
[05:17] <CassandraKos> I have a few web addresses for legal databases (my hubby is a lawyer) but not all have their law so available
[05:17] <aveilleux> vic20gmr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5557451&postcount=7
[05:19] <CassandraKos> goo link - says it all
[05:19] <CassandraKos> good
[05:20] <seidos> if it was illegal, what happens?  the police come to your door?  O_o
[05:20] <CassandraKos> maybe - depends where you live
[05:21] <CassandraKos> gstreamer would not be illegal, just SOME plug-ins to access file with restricted codecs, surely?
[05:21] <CassandraKos> if illegal is the right word - I think restricted is more accurate
[05:22] <vic20gmr> im going to look at that link now, i found this one btw
[05:22] <aveilleux> In the US, generally not. If it's a patent violation, then it falls on the coder/distrubutor.
[05:22] <vic20gmr> sometimes i forget being lazy is more work :\
[05:22] <vic20gmr> v
[05:22] <vic20gmr> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=799237
[05:23] <CassandraKos> btw, seidos - thanks for your help the other day - I have resolved my filesystem error without losing the whole 2Tb - I just lost all the Stargate SG-1 files, as the inode to their directory was irreparably damaged when I restarted the computer
[05:23] <CassandraKos> I sing the praises of e2fsck, which did what fsck could not and rescued my corrputed filesystem from toatl meltdown
[05:24] <seidos> CassandraKos, i thought e2fsck was like a sub program or something of fsck
[05:24] <seidos> eh, i know nothing.  glad you got it working.
[05:25] <CassandraKos> no, it is another fs checker - worked better on my ext3 drives
[05:26] <CassandraKos> seidos: - you all tried to help and that was so encouraging
[05:26] <seidos> oh, interesting
[05:26] <CassandraKos> the journal was actually waht had been corrupted by a number of disorderly shutdowns
[05:26] <seidos> CassandraKos, it was a fascinating problem.  wish i could've helped more.  your problem shed some light on ext3, i thought it was bulletproof before you came on
[05:27] <CassandraKos> and since fsck is never invoked automatically when you boot on ext3 partitions, I blithely went on modifying files and directories instead of fixing what I didn't know was broken
[05:28] <CassandraKos> I hoped it would be
[05:28] <CassandraKos> I read up on fileystems before converting my drives to ext3, but I missed the detail about the fragmentation possibilities
[05:29] <seidos> yeah, the fragmentation issue was a strange one.  i really thought fragmentation wasn't an issue.
[05:29] <CassandraKos> I am going to write a script (wish me luck) to run e2fsck on all my drives at reboot
[05:30] <seidos> but, it was interesting to read that google upgraded to ext4 on their servers.  i mean, if it's good enough for them it must be pretty great
[05:30] <CassandraKos> I still haven't defragmented - but my files are not very fragmented
[05:30] <seidos> good luck.  share the code when you're done?  i'd like to read it.
[05:30] <seidos> defragment?  how?
[05:31] <CassandraKos> in the e2fsprogs collection is a clever routine to do it, but I fanct Shake
[05:31] <seidos> fanct Shake?  *error - please don't think i'm intelligent*
[05:31] <CassandraKos> http://vleu.net/shake/
[05:32] <CassandraKos> looks pretty clever, all I have to do is find the package - some of the links on the page are stale
[05:32] <vic20gmr> thx all ttyl
[05:34] <CassandraKos> btw, seidos - when I vanished abruptly the other night, it was when I said "paste" to ubunutu pastebin - my system went phut for over an hour before it would cme back to me! I wondereed how it would have been if I pasted my 13573 line loong log in chat ...
[05:35] <seidos> CassandraKos, shake.  cool link. thanks.
[05:35] <seidos> CassandraKos, yeah, i guess i should've done the !paste to remind you not to paste it in the chatroom?
[05:35] <seidos> actually, pasting the log was silly.  i wouldn't have been able to figure out the problem, anyway.
[05:36] <CassandraKos> I did, but it made me plough through the thing and when I saw how many error were being hidden by the graphical login ...
[05:36] <CassandraKos> how do I tell it to show those messages in real time?
[05:37] <CassandraKos> that will be a modification to the startup script, I'll bet
[05:38] <CassandraKos> back to "From Powerup to BASH Prompt" to mine more data
[05:46] <seidos> CassandraKos, real time messages?  i don't know.  dmesg comes to mind for some reason.
[05:47] <aveilleux> I don't think there's a tool to view the log files in realtime
[05:53] <seidos> i don't know how the log files are populated
[05:54] <seidos> i could venture a guess that chron has something to do with it
[05:54] <aveilleux> seidos: The logs are written to as needed. dmesg accesses the kernel log.
[05:58] <skeeby> chron is for scheduled command execution
[05:58] <seidos> then my guess is wrong
[05:59] <aveilleux> cron*
[05:59] <skeeby> yeah i cant spell lol
[06:00] <seidos> i spelled it wrong too...not sure why i thought it was spelled with an h
[06:00] <seidos> maybe that meme infected your brain skeeby :3
[06:00] <aveilleux>  "chron-" is the prefix meaning time.
[06:00] <aveilleux> ex. "chronometer"
[06:00] <skeeby> bwahaha
[06:00] <skeeby> dont know what your talking about
[06:01] <aveilleux> ...
[06:01] <seidos> yeah, makes sense.  chron...scheduled tasks...
[06:01] <aveilleux> what?
[06:01] <skeeby> lol
[06:01] <seidos> it's obtuse on purpose!  what does 'cron' mean?
[06:04] <seidos> huh, couldn't really find any info on the log file writing process
[06:05] <aveilleux> I assume it's just fopen() fprintf() fclose() in the kernel (since it's mostly in C)
[06:05] <CassandraKos> if documentation were written before programmes we would have better programmes
[06:05] <aveilleux> nah
[06:06] <aveilleux> then the programs would have to conform to the documentation, restricting the creative process
[06:06] <CassandraKos> I write the maual, then the programme, but I already said I was unusual
[06:06] <CassandraKos> I start out with the manual as a framework for what I want the programme to do
[06:07] <CassandraKos> then (sometimes) get the programme doing what I wanted it to do
[06:07] <CassandraKos> I have  a great collection of manuals for programmes I may write ...
[06:07] <CassandraKos> I find it help the creative process to know where I am going and why
[06:08] <skeeby> grr
[06:08] <CassandraKos> there there - don't growl, we're your friends
[06:08] <aveilleux> I do that in the form of flowcharts and whiteboards
[06:08] <skeeby> something on the launchpad site is causing problems with my mouse switching between screens
[06:08] <CassandraKos> some clever bit of javascript?
[06:09] <skeeby> most likely
[06:09] <CassandraKos> I never could get the hang of flowcharts, my mind doesn't go from algorithm to chart easily
[06:09] <skeeby> thats the second time i had to hard reboot
[06:10] <aveilleux> You don't have much formal programming education, do you?
[06:10] <CassandraKos> I leave java off by default unless a site I want to use insists on it
[06:10] <aveilleux> Java, or JavaScript? They're very different things.
[06:10] <CassandraKos> no, I only completed my BCompSc in 1979 and have oly taken a few hundred courses since, so I would have to agree with that
[06:11] <aveilleux> No need to be crabby about it.
[06:11] <aveilleux> I asked because I've had flowcharts forced on my since day one
[06:11] <aveilleux> s/my/me
[06:11] <CassandraKos> I leave off java AND javascript until I detemine whether I really want it on a site
[06:12] <CassandraKos> they tried to make me write from flowcharts  in 1979 and I told them if they wanted one, look at my prgramme flow and write their own
[06:13] <aveilleux> That defeats the purpose of a flowchart
[06:13] <CassandraKos> but I do diagrams about the structure, it's just that the charts do not help me think, my mind works another way
[06:13] <skeeby> i know what u mean
[06:14] <CassandraKos> I attended the classes and passed the exams, but I can't say I have had formal training, as I have always programmed in my own way, rahter than by rote as they tried to teach
[06:15] <seidos> i can pretty much only write pseudocode :/
[06:15] <aveilleux> Here's an interesting thought. Since you don't follow the standard programming conventions, does that make you a "bad programmer" from a formalist's perspective?
[06:15] <CassandraKos> When I am writing a programme, I start with the user interface, which in "formal" terms is the last thing most people produce
[06:15] <aveilleux> I'm talking about the organizational structure, not actual programming skill.
[06:15] <CassandraKos> I am a dreadful programmer from the formalist view
[06:15] <CassandraKos> and too expensive
[06:16] <seidos> that's kind of interesting, in my visual basic class the interface was the first thing we put together O_o
[06:16] <aveilleux> That's because VB is a terrible language
[06:16] <aveilleux> It was my first programming language, and I wish it wasn't
[06:16] <CassandraKos> I take two hundred hours to write a programme someone could produce in ten, but mine is shorter, sweeter and better, IMHO
[06:16] <aveilleux> Hm, I would think that shorter code would take less time to write.
[06:16] <duanedesign> aveilleux: nnow i am learning C i wish it had been my first
[06:17] <CassandraKos> I started with CoBOL and FROTran
[06:17] <CassandraKos> FORTran
[06:17] <seidos> someone in an ubuntu chatroom that thinks vb isn't a good language?  what a surprise.
[06:17]  * seidos laughs
[06:17] <CassandraKos> then moved to PASCAL, which is about where I stopped - I am now learning C
[06:17] <aveilleux> Quiet
[06:17] <seidos> i started with delusions of grandeur
[06:17] <aveilleux> I wrote an IRC client in VB
[06:17] <duanedesign> :)
[06:17] <aveilleux> It was terrible
[06:17] <aveilleux> But it worked
[06:17] <seidos> i haven't written anything worth mentioning
[06:17] <aveilleux> Then I switched to C and was like... "THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER"
[06:18] <CassandraKos> if it works, it is a good (enough) programme
[06:18] <aveilleux> Actual dynamic memory control? Yes please
[06:18] <seidos> CassandraKos, +1
[06:18] <CassandraKos> I am waiting for my favourite educator to run the next C course, as I dropped out last run
[06:18] <aveilleux> If it works, it's good enough?
[06:18] <aveilleux> I'm gonna have to disagree with that
[06:19] <CassandraKos> ask The Other Lot
[06:19] <aveilleux> Just because your implementaion works doesn't mean it's a good one
[06:19] <CassandraKos> sorry, pet, my sarcasm is not always as obvious as it might be
[06:19]  * seidos facepalms
[06:19] <aveilleux> Oooh, right, that thing that doesn't carry over the Internet
[06:19] <aveilleux> Vocal inflections, that is
[06:20] <CassandraKos> but seriously, if it does the job, there is a school of (possibly valid) thought that says that the goal is thus reached
[06:20] <seidos> what's the school called?  zen?
[06:20] <seidos> hehe
[06:20] <aveilleux> ....Blizzard is dumb. (unrelated) The program file for StarCraft is "Starcraft" and the executable is "StarCraft.exe"
[06:20] <duanedesign> lol, i was going to agree too seidos. I can excited about clever code, but if it works well there you go
[06:21] <CassandraKos> I am a perfectionist but I recognise that not every iota must be in place all the time
[06:21] <aveilleux> And Linux, being case-sensitive, hates me now
[06:21] <CassandraKos> I'm sure it doen't hate you
[06:21] <seidos> duanedesign, i would probably run around like a jubilant zealot if i could write something that worked...
[06:22] <CassandraKos> it probably is just like one of your children, it thinks you are silly
[06:22] <skeeby> i dunno, id say theres a good chance it might
[06:22] <seidos> well, perhaps worked and useful should be the criteria
[06:22] <aveilleux> Start with something you need, seidos
[06:22] <seidos> aveilleux, that's challenging.  i don't really need anything
[06:23] <aveilleux> I wrote a bracket/brace/parenthesis matching program simply because my BASH script kept erroring out with 'missing ]' errors
[06:23] <CassandraKos> I can tell you, perfectionism is not how to run a life - near enough is usually good enough and perfect takes too long
[06:23] <aveilleux> That's why you write an implementation then leave it alone for a while and come back to it
[06:23] <CassandraKos> I have a lot of little routines like that
[06:23] <aveilleux> You'll always see things like "what the hell was I thinking"
[06:23] <CassandraKos> you are so right
[06:24] <seidos> that's how i feel about my life :)
[06:24] <CassandraKos> sometimes I read the code yers later and am impressed that i thought so well back then, but usually it is, oh, I could do this so much better
[06:25] <skeeby> welcome
[06:26] <mR0> Hi skeeyby
[06:27] <CassandraKos> all that training teached you is how much you have yet to learn
[06:27] <CassandraKos> teaches - sorry about the flubbed letters - I'm gonna get some lunch
[06:28] <aveilleux> And there, I just wrote a quick BASH script so I could mount an ISO of my choice without needing to type out the whole command every time
[06:28] <aveilleux> and it can unmount as well
[06:29] <CassandraKos> good one
[06:29] <aveilleux> just mount-iso <iso file> or mount-iso u
[06:29]  * aveilleux shrugs
[06:30] <aveilleux> Things like that are how I learned BASH in the first place.
[06:32] <CassandraKos> the beauty of a cli, learn as you go, see the error immediately, beats lerning a compiled language
[06:33] <CassandraKos> and rooms like this are invaluable for exchanging knowledge, bless the hosters
[07:16] <duanedesign> CassandraKos: /15
[07:16] <duanedesign> sorry :P
[10:40] <AbhiJit> hi
[10:56] <tenach> Hello AbhiJit
[10:56] <AbhiJit> good afternoon tenach :)
[10:56] <tenach> How are you doing, AbhiJit? :)
[10:57] <AbhiJit> tenach, good!
[14:03] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[14:15] <duanedesign> howdy
[14:15] <Silver_Fox_> Hello duanedesign
[14:38] <reggi> hello can someone help me with a problem with my eth0 network device?
[14:40] <geekosopher> reggi: just shoot, someone or the other will definitely have the solution
[14:40] <reggi> ok thanks geekosopher
[14:41] <reggi> when I ping 192.168.0.1 (the gateway / router) from my laptop (192.168.0.50) i get the following error message, "From 192.168.0.50 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable"
[14:45] <reggi> also my network manager has the wired network with  "device not managed"
[14:52] <reggi> i've lost my eth0 device
[14:52] <reggi> does ubuntu have a 'device manager' with a list of all the hardware devices listed?
[14:53] <reggi> my network device on my laptop is no longer working
[14:57] <seidos> reggi, yeah, check lshw in a terminal.  it might say "unclaimed".  if so, a module needs to be loaded for it.  finding which one you'll need is the trick.  did it used to work before?
[14:58] <reggi> hey seidos
[14:59] <seidos> hello
[15:01] <reggi> seidos, i can't find my network device in my lshw list http://paste.ubuntu.com/503265/
[15:02] <seidos> reggi, you sent me the lsmod list.  do sudo lshw too
[15:02] <Mohan_chml> reggi: try lspci whether it displays ethernet
[15:02] <Mohan_chml> seidos: Hola
[15:03]  * seidos waves @ Mohan_chml
[15:03] <Mohan_chml> reggi: do what seidos said
[15:03]  * Mohan_chml swims
[15:03] <seidos> hola
[15:03] <reggi> oh ok
[15:03] <reggi> longer list
[15:03] <Mohan_chml> yeah
[15:03] <seidos> reggi, i think sudo lshw -C network will shorten it for you
[15:04] <reggi> ah better
[15:04] <reggi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/503267/
[15:05] <reggi> i can see my network on that list
[15:05] <reggi> does it look like it's active?
[15:07] <seidos> reggi, well, the b44 module is loaded for your broadcom wired network device
[15:07] <seidos> reggi, you can see where it says "driver = b44"
[15:07] <seidos> reggi, i'm going to search the forums
[15:08] <reggi> hmm you're right...but how come it does not appear in my network manager?
[15:08] <reggi> ok thanks
[15:08] <seidos> reggi, i don't know.  have you tried sudo ifconfig eth0 up?
[15:10] <reggi> hey seidos I have run the ..eth0 up command which completes properly. there is something strange going on. here is the output of my 'ifconfig'.
[15:10] <reggi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/503277/
[15:10] <reggi> notice the line 19
[15:10] <reggi> eth0:avahi Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:19:b9:63:02:07
[15:11] <reggi> i've read about that being some kind of daemon
[15:11] <seidos> reggi, yeah, that is weird.  never seen that before.
[15:12] <reggi> damn looks like i've royally screwed up my ubuntu
[15:12] <Mohan_chml> seidos: may be IPv6
[15:12] <reggi> time to reinstall it i think.
[15:13] <seidos> it would be interesting to see what is going on
[15:13] <Mohan_chml> seidos: will network tools be helping?
[15:13] <seidos> Mohan_chml, what did you have in mind?
[15:13] <reggi> what I'll do is boot off a live cd and see if the network works properly
[15:14] <seidos> reggi, you might want to check this out:  http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1505697
[15:14] <Mohan_chml> seidos: idk whether he is using eth or loopback
[15:14] <reggi> because if the network works properly with the live cd then it just goes to show that my settings are screwed
[15:14] <reggi> ok i'll check it out now seidos
[15:14] <seidos> Mohan_chml, did you look at this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/503277/
[15:15] <seidos> i mean, it looks like it's working.
[15:15] <Mohan_chml> looking
[15:15] <seidos> reggi, you might also try assigning a static ip to your eth0 maybe?
[15:15] <seidos> if i can remember where to assign it O_o
[15:15] <Mohan_chml> seidos: I think it looks good
[15:16] <reggi> ya
[15:16] <seidos> Mohan_chml, yeah, i think you're right.  everything should be working.
[15:16] <reggi> seidos, I actually edited my /etc/network/interfaces and assigned static
[15:16] <reggi> let me try the details on the page seidos asked to read.
[15:16] <reggi> brb
[15:17] <seidos> reggi, maybe you should paste your /etc/network/interface file so we can check it.
[15:17] <seidos> when you get a chance
[15:19] <reggi> ok I went to 'cat' my interfaces file and I noticed that I had my eth0 to dhcp
[15:19] <seidos> and there isn't a dhcp server on your wired network?
[15:20] <reggi> yes there is
[15:20] <reggi> the dhcp is actually a windows vista laptop (which is running ICS)
[15:20] <seidos> well, it's not getting an ip for some reason
[15:20] <reggi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/503289/ is my interfaces file
[15:21] <seidos> it looks okay to me
[15:21] <reggi> how do you know the eth0 is not getting an ip?
[15:22] <seidos> reggi, in ifconfig it should show eth0 with an ip assigned.
[15:23] <seidos> right now it looks like eth0 is getting an automatic 169.x.x.x ip
[15:23] <reggi> ok i've just restarted the /init.d/networking
[15:23] <reggi> and here is the ifconfig output
[15:23] <reggi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/503292/.
[15:23] <reggi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/503292/
[15:24] <reggi> obviously now eth0 has static settings
[15:24] <seidos> yeah
[15:24] <reggi> but this takes me back to my original problem
[15:25] <reggi> when I ping my gateway/server (192.168.0.1) i get the following error message
[15:25] <reggi> From 192.168.0.50 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
[15:25] <reggi> and 192.168.0.50 is the static IP i assigned to my laptop.
[15:25] <reggi> it's almost like 192.168.0.1 = 192.168.0.50
[15:26] <reggi> let me check out my host file.
[15:26] <seidos> have you tried tracert?
[15:26] <reggi> not yet.. do now
[15:26] <reggi> traceroute 192.168.0.1 ?
[15:26] <seidos> yeah
[15:26] <reggi> short and sweet....
[15:27] <reggi> traceroute to 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
[15:27] <reggi>  1  peter-laptop.local (192.168.0.50)  3005.552 ms !H  3005.540 ms !H  3005.520 ms !H
[15:27] <seidos> also can you try pinging from the gateway to your laptop?
[15:27] <reggi> ok i'll try
[15:27] <seidos> 3005.552 ms?  O_o
[15:28] <reggi> woah that is strange
[15:29] <seidos> when i tracert my gateway, it's 1 hop, 6.24ms
[15:29] <sivis> oh
[15:29] <sivis> hi there
[15:29] <jappiecr> hi
[15:29] <reggi> when I ping 192.168.0.50 from the server (192.168.0.1) i get "Reply from 192.168.0.1: destination host unreachable".
[15:29] <sivis> can i ask some help here?
[15:30] <seidos> !ask | sivis
[15:30] <ubot2> sivis: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[15:30] <reggi> somehow there is some setting that has set 192.168.0.1 = 192.168.0.50
[15:31] <sivis> err, ok, thanks +)
[15:31] <jappiecr> how can I change the Cmod in: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 admin to Teacher? (/etc/italc/keys/private:)
[15:31] <seidos> reggi, i'm not sure why that is happening.  can you ping your 192.168.0.50 ip from your laptop?  ping itself?
[15:31] <reggi> yes
[15:31] <reggi> i mean no
[15:31] <reggi> with errors
[15:32] <reggi> From 192.168.0.50 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
[15:32] <reggi> oh wait
[15:32] <reggi> you asked to ping .50 didn't you seidos
[15:32] <reggi> i'll do that now
[15:32] <seidos> yeah, ping itself.
[15:32] <reggi> AOK 64 bytes from 192.168.0.50: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.105 ms
[15:33] <seidos> jappiecr, i'm not sure that i understand the question.  are you trying to change permissions on a file?
[15:33] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: you want to change the owner of the file???
[15:33] <Mohan_chml> ~chown | jappiecr
[15:33] <Mohan_chml> err
[15:33] <Mohan_chml> !chown | jappiecr
[15:33] <ubot2> jappiecr: An explanation of what file permissions are and how they can be manipulated can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[15:34] <seidos> reggi, i don't know.  if i were you i'd try dhcp to see if it makes a difference.
[15:34] <jappiecr> seidos, I guess so. I installed Italc in ltps 10.04 environment but I can only access it as admin. Somebody told me to change the permisions in the private key...
[15:34] <reggi> seidos, when I set eth0 to dhcp that was when there was that strange entry in ifconfig, eth0:ivxxx
[15:35] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: see the file permissions link from ubot2 and you want to edit them or exectute them alone from another user?
[15:35] <sivis> I've got win7 + Ubuntu 10.04 dualboot on separate partitions. Also i've got RAID 0 on ICH10R. Firstly Ubuntu didn't see my Raid, then i installed dmraid and added dmraid -ay to boot sequence. When i rebooted in  windows it won't see raid, while in Ubuntu it's all right. Than i managed to recover raid in win, but after next reboot sequence it failed again. So what should i do to keep raid active in both OS?
[15:35] <seidos> reggi, well, is your dhcp server on the same computer as the gateway?
[15:35] <seidos> reggi, is there a firewall on the gateway?
[15:35] <sivis> Looks like damraid somehow crashes raid in win. But how?
[15:37] <seidos> sivis, i have no idea.  never used raid with ubuntu.
[15:37] <reggi> seidos, there is a firewall on the gateway - i'll turn it off now
[15:37] <Mohan_chml> Silver_Fox_: try #ubuntu channel
[15:38] <Mohan_chml> aww sivis*
[15:38] <seidos> sivis, have you searched the forums yet?
[15:38] <Silver_Fox_> Mohan_chml,  Silver_Fox_ ....
[15:38] <Mohan_chml> Silver_Fox_: sowwi ):
[15:38] <jappiecr> Mohan_chml, Yes I saw the link and I understand the principle of file permissions, owever, I do not know which file permissin to change ?!
[15:39] <seidos> jappiecr, you want to change permission on /etc/italc/keys/private.  i'm assuming this is a file.
[15:40] <seidos> jappiecr, so you can do chown new-owner /etc/italc/keys/private
[15:40] <sivis> seidos, well i googled a lot, but couldn't find nearly the same problem. Some got problems with running but not with recognizing
[15:40] <seidos> jappiecr, and for file permissions something like chmod 777 /etc/italc/keys/private
[15:41] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: you have to change the owner permissions to your teacher account or you have to use chmod 755 to execute in all user accounts
[15:41] <jappiecr> seidos, where it says "new owner" i type this or should this be "teacher"?
[15:41] <Mohan_chml> seidos: rwx for all users will be good?? O_o
[15:41] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: yep
[15:41] <seidos> sivis, have you tried using google to search the ubuntuforums site?  site: http://www.ubuntuforums.org <search string>?
[15:42] <reggi> i'll brb seidos just restart my pc and run a live CD - i'm better off just reinstalling ubuntu and starting from scratch - all my data is stored on a local NAS anyway :) thanks for trying to help seidos and Mohan_chml
[15:42] <seidos> Mohan_chml, i don't know what he wants to do.
[15:42] <sivis> no, will try right now, thx
[15:42] <seidos> reggi, good luck
[15:42] <reggi> thanks seidos @)
[15:42] <seidos> Mohan_chml, or what permissions are necessary.  i'm just figuring get it to work, then fine tune the permissions later.
[15:42] <Mohan_chml> goo luck reggi
[15:43] <jappiecr> seidos, it tells me that teacher is invalid user..
[15:43] <Mohan_chml> okies
[15:43] <Mohan_chml> jacob: you have an account named teacher???
[15:44] <jappiecr> seidos, Moham_chml: I want teachers to be able to use Italc from their own account and not having to use the adminsitror account
[15:44]  * Mohan_chml stabs himself for wrong pings :?
[15:45] <seidos> jappiecr, well what user account are the teachers going to be using?  do they all have their own?
[15:45] <jappiecr> Mohan_chml, no user called teacher but I dio have a group called teacher. Within this group I made the users Flor and grettel (teachers)
[15:46] <Mohan_chml> if you have a group call teacher and it is active, then chown should work
[15:46] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: ^^
[15:46] <jappiecr> But students (other group) shouldn't be able to access Italc
[15:48] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: But you don't want the teachers having Admin privileges ??
[15:48] <Mohan_chml> apart from .../italic ??
[15:48] <jappiecr> They can have admin rights in Italc but not in Ubuntu..
[15:49] <seidos> well, they wouldn't have root privileges in ubuntu without knowing the sudo password
[15:49] <jappiecr> Mohan_chml, I could paste the permissons as show to my by command promtm if this help?
[15:49] <seidos> jappiecr, i'm not familiar with italc, what is it?
[15:49] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: then chown will be working if you have a group listed in "Users and groups"
[15:50] <seidos> i guess this is it:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iTalc
[15:50] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: it is not needed. check your group in listed
[15:50] <Mohan_chml> :o
[15:50] <jappiecr> Italc is gerat tool where somebody can manage all thin clients form one place. Take over screen, do demostraion so everybody see the same on their screen, log people out, etc
[15:50] <seidos> cool
[15:51] <jappiecr> very cool if I get it to work:-(
[15:51] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: check your group name corectly and chown will surely be working
[15:52] <Mohan_chml> sudo chown teacher <file> will do
[15:53] <jappiecr> ahhh, in Ubuntu my group is called "maestra" can this have anythng to do with it?
[15:53] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: wait
[15:53] <jappiecr> ok\
[15:53] <Mohan_chml> it should be sudo chgrp teacher <location>
[15:53] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: ^
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[15:54] <seidos> jappiecr, <filename> = <location>
[15:54] <Mohan_chml> it should be sudo chgrp teacher /etc/italc/keys/private
[15:54] <jappiecr> do u mean: /etc/italc/keys/public/teacher:
[15:55]  * Mohan_chml falls doen and sleeps at the laps of seidos 
[15:55] <jappiecr> I get: chgrp: invalid group: `teacher
[15:56] <seidos> jappiecr, i don't have italc installed.  but you said earlier that ownership of /etc/italc/keys/private needed to be changed
[15:56] <seidos> jappiecr, it looks like it should be maestra and not teacher.  i'm am trying to see how to get a list of groups.
[15:56] <jappiecr> yes, this what somebody #ltps, told me but refferd to beginners (which I am) for this
[15:57] <seidos> jappiecr, let me install italc, maybe that will help move things along
[15:57] <jappiecr> seidos, GREAT! I will wait...
[15:59] <seidos> jappiecr, you can confirm your user groups now by looking in system -> administration -> users and groups
[15:59] <seidos> jappiecr, wb
[15:59] <seidos> jappiecr, you can confirm your user groups now by looking in system -> administration -> users and groups
[16:03] <jappiecr> seidos, Here I made 4 users (Flor, Grettel, Juan and Juanita). Then I click on "manage groups"  and added 2 groups (maestra and estudiante). Click on "properties" of these groups and added in "maestra" Flor and Grettel and in "estudiante" Juan and juanita..
[16:04] <seidos> jappiecr, okay, so maestra is the "master group", or teacher group.
[16:04] <jappiecr> seidos, correct
[16:05] <jappiecr> seidos, if easier I can remove users/groups and create new ones and calle them teacher!?
[16:06] <Mohan_chml> sudo chgrp maestra /etc/italc/keys/private will do it i think
[16:06] <seidos> jappiecr, i installed italc, and can't get it to run.  i get this message:  http://imagebin.org/116427
[16:06] <Mohan_chml> seidos: installed italc??
[16:06] <seidos> jappiecr, no, that won't matter.  maestra...or teacher, same thing.
[16:06] <seidos> Mohan_chml, all right, i'll try it :P
[16:07] <Mohan_chml> (:
[16:07] <seidos> actually, that won't matter.  i can't even get italc to run O_o
[16:07] <jappiecr> Mohan_chml, ok did this...
[16:07] <seidos> even sudo italc doesn't work.
[16:08]  * Mohan_chml runs seidos from his machine using terminal
[16:09] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: or vent change the group permissions to maestra as the whole
[16:09] <Mohan_chml> sudo chgrp maestra /etc/italc
[16:09] <Mohan_chml> seidos: Am I going as what you thought?
[16:11] <seidos> Mohan_chml, not sure.  i have italc installed, but can't run it.  i do have /etc/italc/keys/private and /etc/italc/keys/public
[16:11] <seidos> i guess i could try what you said, to see if it will run
[16:11] <Mohan_chml> okies
[16:11] <jappiecr> Mohan_chml, I just did this. Now can I switch user and log in with as Flor (maestra) and try it?
[16:12] <seidos> but it shouldn't even matter.  i don't have a maestra group, all i want to do is run the program at all.
[16:12] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: go on =]
[16:12] <Mohan_chml> seidos: you better google your issues
[16:13] <seidos> Mohan_chml, yep, i already did.
[16:13] <Mohan_chml> (:
[16:17] <jappiecr> Mohan_chml, did not work. It tells me that no authentificacion keys were found PLease create new key-pair using  ICA. Then I get: "somebody is trying to access computer with ip 127.0.0.1 but could not authenticate itself
[16:17] <jappiecr> ps...my thin client network is 10.0.30.
[16:19] <seidos> jappiecr, does it work when you're logged in with any user account?
[16:20] <jappiecr> seidos, yes it works when I am loggin as administrator...or at least the program starts. Today (after reinstall!) it does not show my TC's but yesterday it did...
[16:21] <seidos> jappiecr, so italc has an administrator account?
[16:21] <jappiecr> Anyway, I did not look into the issue with TC's yet since I first need it to work with teacher session.
[16:22] <jappiecr> seidos, I mean when I log in wit administator account  in Edubuntu
[16:22] <seidos> i noticed /etc/italc/keys/private and public have three folders.  admin, supporter, and teacher
[16:22] <jappiecr> yes I see that too
[16:23] <seidos> jappiecr, you mean you are logging into edubuntu with a root account?
[16:24] <seidos> maybe edubuntu is different than regular ubuntu, but we log in using a standard account, and when we need root privileges we use the sudo command
[16:24] <jappiecr> seidos, not sure...when I installed I needed to create the first account and I called it "administrador". I have been working in this account form the beginning. When I nede to do some thing with sudo, it always asks me for password.
[16:25] <jappiecr> seidos, So I don't think this is the root account, correct?
[16:26] <seidos> jappiecr, that sounds right.
[16:26] <seidos> jappiecr, well, what i am thinking is how does italc know which key to use when you login?  do you have to login when you start italc?
[16:26] <jappiecr> seidos, I think the main difference between Ubuntu and Edubuntu is that Edubuntu comes with educational programs pre-installed and you have the option to install ltsp server from live cd
[16:27] <jappiecr> seidos, no login when it starts. But when I login as maestra I see Italc in my menu and when I login as a estudiante it does not show the Italc..
[16:28] <jappiecr> seidos, I mean login on Ubuntu with those account..
[16:28] <seidos> that's kind of interesting
[16:29] <seidos> well i have to be honest, i'm not sure how much help i can be jappiecr.  i can't even get italc to run on my laptop.
[16:30] <seidos> i mean, you changed the ownership of the entire /etc/italc/keys/private folder
[16:30] <seidos> i guess you can do ls -al in the folder to check the owner of the sub-folders
[16:31] <seidos> i really don't see what these keys have to do with user permissions, though
[16:31] <jappiecr> seidos, maybe a work around could be that I sepratly install italc for each user account that needs to access it? Could this work?
[16:32] <seidos> jappiecr, i don't see how it would work.  i mean, the italc package is installed in synaptic and on the file system.  how could separate installs even be performed?
[16:33] <jappiecr> need to take a call....brb
[16:34] <jappiecr> ok..back
[16:36] <seidos> jappiecr, i still can't even get italc to run.  without being able to run it, i'm not sure how i can help you troubleshoot your problem.  maybe i need to install ltsp or something.  i'll ask in ltsp i guess.
[16:37] <seidos> maybe ask your question in #ubuntu?  someone in there might have experience with italc.
[16:38] <jappiecr> seidosm thanks for all your help! I will ask there and see....
[16:40] <seidos> jappiecr, if i manage to get italc running, i'll send you a pm :)
[16:43] <jappiecr> seidos, great! I think I will uninstall italc and reinstall it again....and see if I get the TC's to show up From here on I will try to figure out how to get it to work with other accounts
[16:43] <seidos> jappiecr, TC's?
[16:43] <seidos> oh, terminal clients?
[16:44] <jappiecr> seidos, yes, thin clients
[16:44] <seidos> ah, thin clients
[16:49] <seidos> jappiecr, you might try in #edubuntu
[17:10] <jappiecr> seidos, I uninstalled italc and reinstalled it. Not is does not work anymore!
[17:11] <seidos> jappiecr, italc came preinstalled with edubuntu?
[17:12] <jappiecr> seidos, no it did not.
[17:12] <jappiecr> I installed it with sudo aptitude install libitalc italc-client italc-master but also tried it with synaptic
[17:13] <seidos> well, that's strange.  you had it working before by installing it yourself, right?  i wonder what could have possibly changed.  maybe you should remove it, remove the the /etc/italc folder, and try reinstalling?
[17:15] <seidos> jappiecr, ^^
[17:16] <jappiecr> seidos, I deleted all my users and groups and than reinstalled it. Now it says that it can't find the configuration file
[17:16] <jappiecr> seidos, ok will remove the /etc/italc folder and reinstall
[17:16] <jappiecr> seidos, what does ^^ mean?
[17:17] <Mohan_chml> jappiecr: hello. sorry I was away and seidos how is it going??
[17:18] <seidos> jappiecr, oh, ^^ is like pointing up, because i didn't include your name when i typed it.  just "look above this line at what i wrote for you"
[17:18] <Mohan_chml> lol
[17:19] <seidos> Mohan_chml, it is going O_o
[17:19] <Mohan_chml> seidos: Hmmm you changed and tried by yourself?
[17:19] <jappiecr> seidos, ok I will unstall italc again and see if the /etc/italc is still there. If it is I will remove it and reinstall italc, correct?
[17:20] <seidos> jappiecr, sounds like a plan
[17:20] <jappiecr> seidos, that thats the plan:-)....
[17:20] <seidos> Mohan_chml, i gave up.  couldn't find any resources on the error i was getting.
[17:20] <Mohan_chml> ):
[17:21] <seidos> reading rss feeds in google reader now :/
[17:21] <Mohan_chml> :|
[17:22] <jappiecr> seidos, I removed it and /etc/italc no longer exists!
[17:24] <seidos> jappiecr, i guess it's not working for some other reason :/
[17:24] <seidos> jappiecr, are you getting the same error as me now?  this one:  http://imagebin.org/116427
[17:25] <jappiecr> seidos, is it possible to do a "system restore" to a previous state? Let's say I want my system to be as yesterday 8am?
[17:26] <jappiecr> seidos, yes this is the error I am getting now as well!
[17:26] <seidos> jappiecr, you're using 10.04 right?
[17:27] <jappiecr> seidos, correct!
[17:27] <seidos> maybe they pushed an update to the package.  i better create a bug in launchpad
[17:27] <seidos> jappiecr, the maintainers may not realize there is a problem in their package...not sure what else can be done
[17:27] <jappiecr> seidos, maybe, but it was running pretty good yesterday (but only in 1 account!)
[17:28] <seidos> not sure what else it could be if we are both getting the same error
[17:29] <jappiecr> seidos, it was even running an hour ago on the one account
[17:30] <jappiecr> Can I do a "system restore" as I can on a windows machine?
[17:31] <seidos> jappiecr, i don't think so
[17:32] <jappiecr> too bad:-)
[17:35] <seidos> jappiecr, i created this bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/italc/+bug/652192  you can confirm the bug is happening with you as well on there.
[17:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652192 in italc (Ubuntu) "unable to start italc (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:41] <jappiecr> seidos, I confirmed the bug...
[17:42] <seidos> jappiecr, you could reinstall edubuntu.  i'm sure that would fix it.  hey maybe you can install the package from off the edubuntu cd?  it's a crazy idea, i'm not sure how such a thing would be done.
[17:43]  * Mohan_chml scratches head
[17:44] <jappiecr> seidos, yeah maybe that is the best. I tried again reinstalling italc. Do u also first get the message: "could not open configuration file /etc/italc/configfiles/globalconfig.xml" ?
[17:48] <seidos> jappiecr, i think so.  but not anymore.  i think you can use synaptic to install packages from the cd.  you have to check "cd-rom" in software sources i think.  then click the "origin" button and search for packages there.  i don't have a cd to test it out with though.
[17:53] <jappiecr> seidos, in one last desperate attempt: did you read this: http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=ITALC_in_a_ThinClient_environment and read under " Start ICA on correct port at logon"
[17:58] <shahan> .
[18:06] <Silver_Fox_> Goodbye.
[18:09] <matrixoracle> i know i am gonna programme in python, whats a good package toinstall etc ?
[18:09] <matrixoracle> to edit/compile ...
[18:10] <seidos> matrixoracle, geany is a good ide.
[18:11] <matrixoracle> whats good to help me learn it ?
[18:12] <seidos> geany is pretty self-explantory.  but for python?  i don't know.  i have a book i still haven't read.  "learn python the hard way" or something.
[18:12] <matrixoracle> k, cool.
[18:12] <matrixoracle> ty
[18:13] <seidos> no problem
[18:51] <johnny_> I have a dual boot question. any one able to help?
[18:52] <johnny_> I have a netbook with a SD disk reader. would i be able to set up a dual boot using that drive? My understanding is a dual boot is better than installed with Wubi. right?
[18:52] <Mohan_chml> !ask | johnny_
[18:52] <ubot2> johnny_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[18:53] <Mohan_chml> Joeb454: yes Dual boot is better than Installing into another operating system
[18:53] <Mohan_chml> aww johnny_ ^
[18:55] <Mohan_chml> brb
[20:29] <Mjiig> hi, i'm having some trouble with ubuntuone, i selected a folder on my desktop and told it to sync, but it doesn't seem to be doing so :(
[20:30] <Mjiig> i'm pretty sure my account is set up properly
[20:41] <bodhi_zazen> anyone here using chromium ?
[20:41] <Mjiig> yep
[20:41] <Mjiig> why?
[20:42] <bodhi_zazen> Can you test this page ?
[20:42] <bodhi_zazen> http://bodhizazen.net/video/index2.html
[20:43] <Mjiig> vid works, i didn't get any sound though and the slider bar doesn't move as the vid plays
[20:43] <bodhi_zazen> video work ?
[20:43] <bodhi_zazen> OK, there is no sound
[20:44] <Mjiig> cool, i thought that might be the case
[20:44] <bodhi_zazen> TY, my first page is broken in chromium
[20:44] <bodhi_zazen> http://bodhizazen.net/video/index.html
[20:45] <bodhi_zazen> Want to guess how old Myah is in that video ?
[20:45] <Mjiig> 3? i'm rubbish at guessing ages
[20:46] <bodhi_zazen> Close, she is 2
[20:46] <Mjiig> that's quite impressive skiing for 2
[20:50] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[20:54] <Mjiig> @bodi_zazen, you starting to mess around with HTML5?
[20:58] <bodhi_zazen> Yep
[20:59] <bodhi_zazen> How did you guess ?
[20:59] <bodhi_zazen> All my pages currently validate under html5 , so, looking at a few new tricks
[21:00] <zkriesse> bodhi_zazen: looks good
[21:00] <zkriesse> other than the no sound :D
[21:00] <bodhi_zazen> So far the biggest problem with embedded video, not all browsers play nice
[21:01] <zkriesse> true
[21:01] <zkriesse> Too true
[21:01] <bodhi_zazen> zkriesse: The original video has no sound
[21:01] <zkriesse> bodhi_zazen: Ah
[21:01] <bodhi_zazen> I suppose I could drop in some Black Sabbath =)
[21:01] <zkriesse> bodhi_zazen: Well how are ya? You rarely pop in anymore
[21:02] <Mjiig> bodhi_zazen: web design has always scared me :S that and GUI programming. Something in my brain doesn't like writing text that renders as pictures.
[21:04] <mxe5> I have a laptop that has Ubuntu and can't remember the password - can I boot to a live CD and reset my password somehow ? ?
[21:05] <Mjiig> mxe5, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[21:07] <mxe5> Mjiig: Thank you so much - appreciate it!
[21:46] <bodhi_zazen> zkriesse: I have had some life issues, and can not IRC as much as I once did
[21:54] <zkriesse> bodhi_zazen: Ah...yeah I can understand that
[22:11] <singasong> What website would be best to post some screen shots I have to show a problem I am having ?
[22:12] <singasong> Would this be acceptable - http://imagebin.org/ ? ?
[22:12] <singasong> Having a problem with updates.
[22:13] <phillw> imagebin is fine
[22:13] <skeeby> !screenshots
[22:13] <ubot2> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://tinyurl.com/imagebin and post a link to it.
[22:13] <skeeby> imgur is good too
[22:14] <singasong> Thanks everyone - will post problem in a few. See if anyone can point me in right direction.
[22:27] <singasong> I am running an older version of Ubuntu and getting an error when trying to download and install updates /home/michelle/Desktop/Screenshot3.png
[22:27] <AndrewMC> singasong: you have to put your screenshot on imagebin for us to see it
[22:28] <jappiecr> My profile mananager won;t import profiles anymore. I had it working, made some changes, deleted some accounts, made ne accounts. Did the whole process of making profiles and they are saved under /etc/sabayon/profiles but when I import them, it will open the file, ask me for profile name and when I press enter nothing happens. No even error message! anybody ideas?
[22:28] <jappiecr> seidos, did u get italc to work?
[22:29] <singasong> opps sorry will repost correct url
[22:30] <singasong> AndrewMC: Here is correct url of error: http://i.imgur.com/2sLy3.png
[22:31] <jappiecr> seidos, mine works excellent now thanks to <alkisg>. Just wanted to say thanks for trying to help me:)
[22:34] <b234> I'm wanting to access a computer across the network, and was hoping for something faster/smoother than vnc. XDMCP looked like what I wanted but I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 on both machines and it seems to be a problem in lucid. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions, preferably with a gui as I get lost in command line and .conf file editing. Thanks!
[22:35] <AndrewMC> singasong: 404 that is your PC not being able to talk with the server... weather that is your PC not having a connection or the ubuntu repos being down i dont know
[22:37] <singasong> I believe it is not pointed to the right repos - because I have no problem going on the internet.
[22:38] <AndrewMC> singasong: give it a little bit it may come back online... they may be down
[22:39] <AndrewMC> singasong: i get a 404 error as well
[22:42] <singasong> AndrewMC: ok will try later on - Weird thing is I had not done updates for along time on this computer and it downloaded and installed approximately 360 updates before.
[22:42] <AndrewMC> singasong: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[22:43] <singasong> AndrewMC: What is the terminal or shell command again to check that ?
[22:43] <jappiecr> bbl
[22:44] <AndrewMC> System> About ubuntu
[22:44] <AndrewMC> it will say in the first line or so
[22:45] <singasong> AndrewMC: It is Hardy 8.04
[22:45] <AndrewMC> hmm its still supported.... the repo might just be down
[22:46] <singasong> AndrewMC: Pretty old but still chugging along other then the updates error.
[22:46] <AndrewMC> ya have you considered upgrading to 10.04LTS?
[22:48] <singasong> AndrewMC: yup it says at the top of updates mgr. I could this http://imagebin.org/116482
[22:49] <AndrewMC> ya
[22:49] <singasong> AndrewMC: + could do the update
[22:49] <AndrewMC> whats the + for?
[22:49] <singasong> opps
[22:50] <AndrewMC> that distro has support until April of next year so you still have some time
[22:50] <AndrewMC> but.... you can still get the nice new stuff
[22:51] <singasong> AndrewMC: Might consider doing that and would solve allot of problems - this is setup as a dual boot with windose and worry about things going bad.
[22:51] <AndrewMC> i honestly dont see anyway that ubuntu could interfere with windows
[22:53] <singasong> AndrewMC: My concern is that it might change the boot loader - which could be fixed I guess.
[22:53] <AndrewMC> yes it could there are people here who know how to help you with that
[22:55] <singasong> AndrewMC: Thanks for your suggestions - will give it some mulling over and decide later Also thanks for your help - gotta run.
[23:20] <tenach> So my father in law had me put Ubuntu on his computer alongside Vista, and is blown away.
[23:20] <tenach> He's loving it immensely. I was surprised when he asked me to put it on his computer.
[23:22] <phillw> tenach: my mum is 76 and loves *buntu to bits (I put lubuntu on an elderly laptop).
[23:22] <tenach> phillw, it's pretty cool to see him (in his mid fifties) so excited about computers.
[23:39] <b234> I'm wanting to access a computer across the network, and was hoping for something faster/smoother than vnc. XDMCP looked like what I wanted but I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 on both machines and it seems to be a problem in lucid. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions, preferably with a gui as I get lost in command line and .conf file editing. Thanks!
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> b234: freenx
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> or try an online service, teamspeak I think or logmein ?