[00:00] if I have to do anything other than install to use it then I'm not. [00:00] please look in your /etc/X11 directory and see if its there [00:02] I don't see a xorg.conf file in the etc/x11 directory [00:17] b234: sorry about delay [00:18] no worries [00:18] I appreciate the help and have been trying to google my way thru for a couple days now. A couple minutes here or there is nothing [00:18] b234: what are your system specs? [00:19] it's a toshiba laptop running the intel 945 gm embedded graphics [00:19] 2 gb ram, dual core, 200 gb hard drive [00:20] same as mine, minus the intel graphics, nvidia all the way :D [00:21] grins - I wish it were so [00:21] everything works just fine on my older and smaller laptop - with nvidia [00:22] b234: seems the intel grapchis set is running slow for alot of folks [00:23] aye, there seems to be a lot of trouble and the explanations on how to fix it very sparse for a linux beginner [00:24] b234: yea i havent found any solid fixes yet [00:24] i think a bug was filed on it [00:25] as of right now im not sure what to tell ya man, hopefully maverick will be better for ya [00:26] well thanks for the time looking....many of the fixes I've seen reference the xorg.conf file - is there a good beginners guide for activating and using it? [00:27] b234: you are wanting to use xorg.conf? [00:27] I think so [00:28] alright, we will try, just remember that if you boot and cannot get to your desktop, than just use the livecd to remove the xorg.conf to get you back to your current state!! kk? [00:29] ok, not a worry at all - it's a fresh install and easily replaced [00:29] oh, well you wont need to reinstall, just remove xorg ;) [00:30] very easy [00:30] alright, first run lspci | grep VGA [00:30] in terminal [00:30] open another terminal [00:31] go to your /etc/X11 directory [00:31] cd /etc/X11 [00:31] run command in terminal: sudo Xorg -configure [00:31] hang on [00:32] getting to the x11 directory [00:32] how do I open a terminal at root instead of user [00:32] or get to root [00:32] b234: just open the terminal and run: sudo -i [00:33] if you are running a root terminal (be careful) but you wont need the sudo on any of the commands [00:34] ok, did sudo -i, still says no such file or directory when I cd /etc/x11 [00:34] b234: linux in all forms is case sensitive [00:35] b234: instead of x11 it must be X11 [00:35] arg, of course, sorry - I'm there [00:35] hehe np [00:35] now run the command Xorg -configure [00:36] fatal server error: server is already active for display 0 [00:37] if this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again [00:37] hehe, crap sorry i forgot, you must not have x running [00:38] ok [00:38] b234: you must use login console to run command, you may have to boot to the recovery mode, drop to cli then run command [00:38] b234: do you have another system you can use to connect to this channel on while running xorg config on this system? [00:39] ok, how do I boot to recovery mode? [00:39] I am on a different system [00:39] b234: oh ok [00:39] b234: on the slow system are you dual booting? meaning do you get to your grub at bootup or does it go straight to ubuntu login screen [00:39] straight to ubuntu [00:40] I am trying to only run windows in windows [00:40] grins [00:40] b234: ok, than at bootup you are going to have to hit the shift button during bootup so that you can get to grub screen [00:41] ok [00:41] b234: at grub screen you will see the option to boot into recovery mode [00:42] ok, I have a menu in recovery mode [00:42] cool, you see a option to get to command line [00:43] root shell prompt? [00:43] sure [00:44] are you able to get to your Desktop or Documents or any other data from there? [00:45] not hat I can see, just a blinking cursr and ls gives me nothing [00:45] what does pwd give you? [00:45] command pwd [00:46] slash rot [00:46] root [00:46] what is your user name on the system? [00:46] pg [00:46] run this command: [00:46] cd /pg/home/etc/X11 [00:48] it work? [00:48] there seems to be no X11 directory [00:48] b234: can you get to: cd /pg/home [00:49] ok, it's /home/pg [00:49] cd etc [00:49] and there's no etc [00:50] sorry, cd /etc [00:50] stlsaint: Don't you mean /etc? [00:50] stlsaint: There you go :P [00:50] aveilleux: HUSH!! [00:50] * aveilleux cowers from stlsaint [00:50] laughs [00:50] lol [00:50] aveilleux: sup [00:50] ok, try again...there is no /home/pg/etc [00:50] there is a /etc [00:51] stlsaint: Not much, finally making my system Linux-only [00:51] aveilleux: bout time :P [00:51] and there is a /etc/X11 [00:51] he [00:51] heh [00:51] b234: alright, do: cd /etc/X11 [00:52] ok [00:52] now run Xorg -configure [00:53] cool [00:53] did it run? [00:53] it did [00:54] does running: ls show a xorg.conf file now? [00:54] and says my xorg config file is /root/xorg.config.new [00:54] hrm, run these commands [00:55] b234: does it say config or conf? [00:56] conf [00:56] alright we are going to try a different move here: [00:56] run commands: [00:57] (are you in the /etc/X11 directory still) [00:57] yes [00:58] cp xorg.conf.new /pg/home/xorg.conf [00:58] ^^run command [00:58] crap i meant to put on desktop but oh wells :D [00:59] alright now run: [00:59] cp xorg.conf.new xorg.conf [00:59] ok [00:59] alright now just because im anal run: [01:00] mv /pg/home/xorg.conf /pg/home/Desktop/xorg.conf [01:00] chuckles [01:00] lol [01:00] b234: put /me in front of action commands. ie. /me chuckles [01:01] * b234 thanks you [01:01] :3 [01:01] * stlsaint sticks nose up at aveilleux...i could have said it! :P [01:01] But you didn't! [01:01] :P [01:01] b234: you run last command [01:01] hehe, i know [01:02] b234: poke [01:03] b234: reboot and see if it made a difference ;) [01:03] hang on a sec [01:07] ok, rebooting [01:08] it does look different [01:08] still no 3d in vmware [01:09] different as in better looking? [01:09] well you have to enable it [01:09] ahso [01:09] and yes, it seems sharper [01:10] if you want you can always change the name of xorg.confg to xorg.config.old to see your old setup then come back to new setup to see difference better ;) [01:11] go to System>Preferences>Appearance and go to the visual effects tab and change to last button [01:11] http://bodhizazen.net/video/ [01:11] my first html5 page !! [01:12] Purdy [01:12] stlsaint: it's on extra visual effects [01:12] What format is the video? h.265? [01:12] ogg [01:12] hi all [01:12] Huh, then that's weird [01:13] yea it is [01:13] stlsaint: so which .conf file do I edit? [01:13] Opera should support vorbis in HTML5 [01:13] They say it does anyway :V [01:13] video is Theora [01:13] bodhi: doesnt work for me [01:13] that one [01:13] theora [01:13] "ogg" in general [01:13] stlsaint, what browser ? [01:13] b234: that setup should be very good for you. You should be able to use wobbly windows better and get better effects [01:13] bodhi: chrome [01:14] b234: as for vmware im sorry i dont use it. on lappy i use box and on servers openvz and lxc! no vmware ;) [01:14] stlsaint, did you ever get tor running ? [01:14] i finally got Ubuntu installed on my HP desktop, but I think some packages may be corrupted [01:14] codehead: What makes you think that? [01:14] so i'm trying to reinstall it [01:14] bodhi: nope :( [01:15] LOL [01:15] codehead: reinstall?? just fix packages (if possible) [01:15] brb folks [01:15] well, i tried to get MySQL running, but it gives me a bad package message [01:16] and i'm in an infinite loop [01:16] with ubuntu [01:16] codehead: Did you clean the Apt cache? [01:16] codehead: sudo aptitude clean [01:16] stlsaint: thanks for all your help - I picked vmware ecause it's supposed to give the vm direct hardware access, unlike box, so even if linux doesn't properly recognise hardware it should pass thru for windows to use - recommend anything to try? [01:16] b234: VBox provides direct hardware interface [01:17] b234: I assume you're referring to USB devices et al [01:17] stlsaint, they say you need ffmpeg installed for chromium [01:17] Not sure as I have it installed and it does not work [01:17] i'll try that now [01:17] aveileux: vbox didn't work with my printer,which oesn't have linux drivers [01:18] b234: Did you mount it by device name? [01:18] b234: ie. in the VBox panel, you mount a USB device and you pick it by device name (/dev/usbX) [01:18] aveilleux: the linux device name? linux doesn't recognise it properly and so didn't pass thru properly [01:19] b234: No, no. The device still physically exists in Linux. [01:19] b234: Just because you can't use it in Linux doesn't mean it's not there. [01:20] b234: Basically everything in the /dev directory is physical hardware. You can access the entire physical machine from in there, regardless of whether Ubuntu has drivers for it or not. [01:20] aveilleux: hmm, probably not by the sound of it? you mean pass thru the usb port rather than what's attached to the port? [01:20] b234: You can't pass through a port like that. You can pass through a block-level device, though. [01:22] b234: That's how it's always worked for me... I had a DJ controller that didn't work in Linux, so I made an XP virtual machine in VBox and passed the device through as an attached device and it worked like a charm [01:23] aveilleux: I'm not sure now. The problem I had was that linux slapped a generic printer on my printer and passed it thru as the generic printer. I've got a wide format printer. [01:23] aveilleux: apt is clean...can i do a LAMP reinstall? [01:24] codehead: Uh, I guess. You can just sudo aptitude install php5 mysql and it'll install Apache as well [01:24] stlsaint, although chrome/chromium is making progress, it still kind of sucks [01:30] aveilleux: mysql server 5.1 is installed...now i need access to the database [01:31] what is the default login/pwd? [01:32] codehead, i don't think there is one. the installer should have asked you to enter a username/pwd for mysql. [01:33] it did on my first install, but it doesn't like the username/pwd now [01:34] I'm out, thanks very much stlsaint, I really appreciate the time. [01:35] codehead, i don't know. not sure what happened, but i couldn't even venture a guess as to how the password would have changed without your consent/knowledge [01:35] codehead: Try making a database. It'll ask you for one then. mysqladmin -u root create databasename [01:38] access denied for user root@localhost (using password: NO) [01:38] Err [01:38] mysqladmin -u root -p create databasename [01:40] codehead: If that fails, try mysqladmin -u root password [01:40] lol....it did something, but it didn't ask me for a pwd! [01:40] codehead: That should, in theory, recreate the "root" account [01:40] codehead: That means sql isn't password-protected... I would do that if I were you [01:41] still can't connect [01:42] tried no pwd and pwd that i originally assigned at initial installation [01:43] codehead: Try sudo aptitude purge mysql... that should take out the configuration in /etc and clean everything out [01:43] codehead: Followed by sudo aptitude install mysql of course [01:46] no joy [01:46] Weird... [01:47] I installed mysql like, two weeks ago and it worked fine for me [01:47] and it hasn't updated since then [01:48] yeah....i have a monkey on my back all the time (if i didn't have bad luck, i wouldn't have any luck at all!). ;-) [01:50] speaking of which....my cable just went belly up! ;-( [01:51] i'm done with this monkey for tonight...gotta see if i get my cable back up! ;-) thx! [01:52] See you [03:28] I can't get on the internet without Java here at college. Do I need to be online to install Java for Ubuntu? [05:14] where might i find a webpage telling me if it is legal for me to use gstreamer or not? [05:14] something reliable [05:15] vic20gmr: What country are you in? [05:15] usa [05:15] you need to check your own country's legislation [05:15] It's legal in the US [05:15] can u point me to a source? [05:16] not source code [05:16] it is legal here in australia [05:16] Uh [05:16] I live in the US? [05:16] which country's laws do you need to look up? [05:16] thank you both [05:17] I have a few web addresses for legal databases (my hubby is a lawyer) but not all have their law so available [05:17] vic20gmr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5557451&postcount=7 [05:19] goo link - says it all [05:19] good [05:20] if it was illegal, what happens? the police come to your door? O_o [05:20] maybe - depends where you live [05:21] gstreamer would not be illegal, just SOME plug-ins to access file with restricted codecs, surely? [05:21] if illegal is the right word - I think restricted is more accurate [05:22] im going to look at that link now, i found this one btw [05:22] In the US, generally not. If it's a patent violation, then it falls on the coder/distrubutor. [05:22] sometimes i forget being lazy is more work :\ [05:22] v [05:22] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=799237 [05:23] btw, seidos - thanks for your help the other day - I have resolved my filesystem error without losing the whole 2Tb - I just lost all the Stargate SG-1 files, as the inode to their directory was irreparably damaged when I restarted the computer [05:23] I sing the praises of e2fsck, which did what fsck could not and rescued my corrputed filesystem from toatl meltdown [05:24] CassandraKos, i thought e2fsck was like a sub program or something of fsck [05:24] eh, i know nothing. glad you got it working. [05:25] no, it is another fs checker - worked better on my ext3 drives [05:26] seidos: - you all tried to help and that was so encouraging [05:26] oh, interesting [05:26] the journal was actually waht had been corrupted by a number of disorderly shutdowns [05:26] CassandraKos, it was a fascinating problem. wish i could've helped more. your problem shed some light on ext3, i thought it was bulletproof before you came on [05:27] and since fsck is never invoked automatically when you boot on ext3 partitions, I blithely went on modifying files and directories instead of fixing what I didn't know was broken [05:28] I hoped it would be [05:28] I read up on fileystems before converting my drives to ext3, but I missed the detail about the fragmentation possibilities [05:29] yeah, the fragmentation issue was a strange one. i really thought fragmentation wasn't an issue. [05:29] I am going to write a script (wish me luck) to run e2fsck on all my drives at reboot [05:30] but, it was interesting to read that google upgraded to ext4 on their servers. i mean, if it's good enough for them it must be pretty great [05:30] I still haven't defragmented - but my files are not very fragmented [05:30] good luck. share the code when you're done? i'd like to read it. [05:30] defragment? how? [05:31] in the e2fsprogs collection is a clever routine to do it, but I fanct Shake [05:31] fanct Shake? *error - please don't think i'm intelligent* [05:31] http://vleu.net/shake/ [05:32] looks pretty clever, all I have to do is find the package - some of the links on the page are stale [05:32] thx all ttyl [05:34] btw, seidos - when I vanished abruptly the other night, it was when I said "paste" to ubunutu pastebin - my system went phut for over an hour before it would cme back to me! I wondereed how it would have been if I pasted my 13573 line loong log in chat ... [05:35] CassandraKos, shake. cool link. thanks. [05:35] CassandraKos, yeah, i guess i should've done the !paste to remind you not to paste it in the chatroom? [05:35] actually, pasting the log was silly. i wouldn't have been able to figure out the problem, anyway. [05:36] I did, but it made me plough through the thing and when I saw how many error were being hidden by the graphical login ... [05:36] how do I tell it to show those messages in real time? [05:37] that will be a modification to the startup script, I'll bet [05:38] back to "From Powerup to BASH Prompt" to mine more data [05:46] CassandraKos, real time messages? i don't know. dmesg comes to mind for some reason. [05:47] I don't think there's a tool to view the log files in realtime [05:53] i don't know how the log files are populated [05:54] i could venture a guess that chron has something to do with it [05:54] seidos: The logs are written to as needed. dmesg accesses the kernel log. [05:58] chron is for scheduled command execution [05:58] then my guess is wrong [05:59] cron* [05:59] yeah i cant spell lol [06:00] i spelled it wrong too...not sure why i thought it was spelled with an h [06:00] maybe that meme infected your brain skeeby :3 [06:00] "chron-" is the prefix meaning time. [06:00] ex. "chronometer" [06:00] bwahaha [06:00] dont know what your talking about [06:01] ... [06:01] yeah, makes sense. chron...scheduled tasks... [06:01] what? [06:01] lol [06:01] it's obtuse on purpose! what does 'cron' mean? [06:04] huh, couldn't really find any info on the log file writing process [06:05] I assume it's just fopen() fprintf() fclose() in the kernel (since it's mostly in C) [06:05] if documentation were written before programmes we would have better programmes [06:05] nah [06:06] then the programs would have to conform to the documentation, restricting the creative process [06:06] I write the maual, then the programme, but I already said I was unusual [06:06] I start out with the manual as a framework for what I want the programme to do [06:07] then (sometimes) get the programme doing what I wanted it to do [06:07] I have a great collection of manuals for programmes I may write ... [06:07] I find it help the creative process to know where I am going and why [06:08] grr [06:08] there there - don't growl, we're your friends [06:08] I do that in the form of flowcharts and whiteboards [06:08] something on the launchpad site is causing problems with my mouse switching between screens [06:08] some clever bit of javascript? [06:09] most likely [06:09] I never could get the hang of flowcharts, my mind doesn't go from algorithm to chart easily [06:09] thats the second time i had to hard reboot [06:10] You don't have much formal programming education, do you? [06:10] I leave java off by default unless a site I want to use insists on it [06:10] Java, or JavaScript? They're very different things. [06:10] no, I only completed my BCompSc in 1979 and have oly taken a few hundred courses since, so I would have to agree with that [06:11] No need to be crabby about it. [06:11] I asked because I've had flowcharts forced on my since day one [06:11] s/my/me [06:11] I leave off java AND javascript until I detemine whether I really want it on a site [06:12] they tried to make me write from flowcharts in 1979 and I told them if they wanted one, look at my prgramme flow and write their own [06:13] That defeats the purpose of a flowchart [06:13] but I do diagrams about the structure, it's just that the charts do not help me think, my mind works another way [06:13] i know what u mean [06:14] I attended the classes and passed the exams, but I can't say I have had formal training, as I have always programmed in my own way, rahter than by rote as they tried to teach [06:15] i can pretty much only write pseudocode :/ [06:15] Here's an interesting thought. Since you don't follow the standard programming conventions, does that make you a "bad programmer" from a formalist's perspective? [06:15] When I am writing a programme, I start with the user interface, which in "formal" terms is the last thing most people produce [06:15] I'm talking about the organizational structure, not actual programming skill. [06:15] I am a dreadful programmer from the formalist view [06:15] and too expensive [06:16] that's kind of interesting, in my visual basic class the interface was the first thing we put together O_o [06:16] That's because VB is a terrible language [06:16] It was my first programming language, and I wish it wasn't [06:16] I take two hundred hours to write a programme someone could produce in ten, but mine is shorter, sweeter and better, IMHO [06:16] Hm, I would think that shorter code would take less time to write. [06:16] aveilleux: nnow i am learning C i wish it had been my first [06:17] I started with CoBOL and FROTran [06:17] FORTran [06:17] someone in an ubuntu chatroom that thinks vb isn't a good language? what a surprise. [06:17] * seidos laughs [06:17] then moved to PASCAL, which is about where I stopped - I am now learning C [06:17] Quiet [06:17] i started with delusions of grandeur [06:17] I wrote an IRC client in VB [06:17] :) [06:17] It was terrible [06:17] But it worked [06:17] i haven't written anything worth mentioning [06:17] Then I switched to C and was like... "THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER" [06:18] if it works, it is a good (enough) programme [06:18] Actual dynamic memory control? Yes please [06:18] CassandraKos, +1 [06:18] I am waiting for my favourite educator to run the next C course, as I dropped out last run [06:18] If it works, it's good enough? [06:18] I'm gonna have to disagree with that [06:19] ask The Other Lot [06:19] Just because your implementaion works doesn't mean it's a good one [06:19] sorry, pet, my sarcasm is not always as obvious as it might be [06:19] * seidos facepalms [06:19] Oooh, right, that thing that doesn't carry over the Internet [06:19] Vocal inflections, that is [06:20] but seriously, if it does the job, there is a school of (possibly valid) thought that says that the goal is thus reached [06:20] what's the school called? zen? [06:20] hehe [06:20] ....Blizzard is dumb. (unrelated) The program file for StarCraft is "Starcraft" and the executable is "StarCraft.exe" [06:20] lol, i was going to agree too seidos. I can excited about clever code, but if it works well there you go [06:21] I am a perfectionist but I recognise that not every iota must be in place all the time [06:21] And Linux, being case-sensitive, hates me now [06:21] I'm sure it doen't hate you [06:21] duanedesign, i would probably run around like a jubilant zealot if i could write something that worked... [06:22] it probably is just like one of your children, it thinks you are silly [06:22] i dunno, id say theres a good chance it might [06:22] well, perhaps worked and useful should be the criteria [06:22] Start with something you need, seidos [06:22] aveilleux, that's challenging. i don't really need anything [06:23] I wrote a bracket/brace/parenthesis matching program simply because my BASH script kept erroring out with 'missing ]' errors [06:23] I can tell you, perfectionism is not how to run a life - near enough is usually good enough and perfect takes too long [06:23] That's why you write an implementation then leave it alone for a while and come back to it [06:23] I have a lot of little routines like that [06:23] You'll always see things like "what the hell was I thinking" [06:23] you are so right [06:24] that's how i feel about my life :) [06:24] sometimes I read the code yers later and am impressed that i thought so well back then, but usually it is, oh, I could do this so much better [06:25] welcome [06:26] Hi skeeyby [06:27] all that training teached you is how much you have yet to learn [06:27] teaches - sorry about the flubbed letters - I'm gonna get some lunch [06:28] And there, I just wrote a quick BASH script so I could mount an ISO of my choice without needing to type out the whole command every time [06:28] and it can unmount as well [06:29] good one [06:29] just mount-iso or mount-iso u [06:29] * aveilleux shrugs [06:30] Things like that are how I learned BASH in the first place. [06:32] the beauty of a cli, learn as you go, see the error immediately, beats lerning a compiled language [06:33] and rooms like this are invaluable for exchanging knowledge, bless the hosters [07:16] CassandraKos: /15 [07:16] sorry :P [10:40] hi [10:56] Hello AbhiJit [10:56] good afternoon tenach :) [10:56] How are you doing, AbhiJit? :) [10:57]