LaserJockok, so does anybody know if it's possible to remove packages (at least binaries) from stable releases?01:10
jpdsI doubt it personally.01:11
jpdswgrant: ↑01:11
LaserJockback in the day it was not possible, but I wondered if in the age of soyuzy scripty goodies it was maybe possible01:11
jpdsI wouldn't want something that is technically frozen to start changing.01:12
ScottKLaserJock: I think the best practice where that's advisable for other than legal reasons is to SRU an empty package.01:12
LaserJockScottK: k, that's what I was thinking, but I thought I'd check01:14
ajmitchthat should at least effectively get rid of the package on users' systems as long as they have updates enabled (who doesn't?)01:14
LaserJockthis is my (in)famous Multiverse package, that the company finally wants to get rid of01:15
ScottKIf they don't, they've earned whatever they get.01:15
LaserJockthey don't mind an empty package, I just thought it'd be easier if there was a button to push :-)01:15
persiaThat's probably best practice even when it's for legal reasons.01:15
persia(although there might be an interim chmod 0 whilst the update is pending)01:15
LaserJockwow, must be good time of the night, I got ajmitch, ScottK, and persia01:16
persiaLaserJock, Issue with button-push is that you break every single Packages file for every single user.  Remember that people never expect to redownload the base set (only -updates, -security, etc.)01:16
persiaIf the user counts expressed are correct, that ends up being something like 40 petabytes of load on the Canonical DC.01:17
ajmitchLaserJock: it's because of daylight saving time :)01:17
persia(for removal of a universe package: make your own estimates and math for other Packages*)01:17
LaserJockohhh, right, because you'd have to change the main archive packages, good point01:18
ajmitchuploading a package that overrides it is the only way I know of to be sure you'll get rid of the package on systems where it's already installed01:18
persiaThat doesn't make sure, for the -security, -updates, etc. users anyway.01:19
persiaBut it does mean most folk won't have it.01:19
persiachmod +0 is the other alternative (when there are very strong reasons to stop distribution), which just causes 403 errors.01:20
LaserJockif somebody does an upgrade will they get -updates?01:20
persiaLaserJock, chmod+0 requires invocation of about 15 people to approve it, and *lots* of paperwork.01:20
ajmitchupdates has been enabled by default for quite awhile01:21
persiaDepends on how one upgrades.  upgrade-manager will enable -updates, update everything, and then switch sources.list.  Other ways are more likely to vary based on user behaviour.01:21
LaserJockI think the major reason for removal is that the package tends to break upgrades01:21
LaserJockso obviously an empty package is only going to help people who upgrade with -updates01:22
* ScottK just downloaded updated chromium-browser debs of chromium-browser. It feels almost cannabilistic.01:22
ScottKfta: Works great.  Please upload.01:26
ajmitchLaserJock: have you got the package removed from maverick yet?01:31
* ajmitch can't remember if it was in there or not01:31
LaserJockajmitch: yep, Riddell got rid of it for me01:35
LaserJockso that's good01:35
LaserJocknow I'm trying to advise upstream01:35
LaserJockthey decided to put an empty .deb up in the bug report this evening01:35
LaserJockso I may need to get my hands dirty :/01:35
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wgrantLP will refuse to update the release pocket Packages files.04:15
wgrantThere are about a dozen guards at various levels to stop it from making changes to the Release pocket.04:16
persiaThis is a vastly good thing.04:22
wgrantSince bugs have let some publications through a couple of those layers...04:24
persiaOh my.  That must have been exciting.04:25
persiaWould it actually saturate the DC for a week to update the universe Packages file, or would there be a way to restore it if it ever happened?04:26
wgrantBackups are good.04:27
ajmitchit'd depend on how often people would run apt-get update04:27
persiaOh, heh, I meant from LP, but yeah, I suppose that would work (and might get applied quickly)04:27
persiaajmitch, By default, every install runs once a week or so.  Given bandwidth rumours that happen around release times, and rumours of user numbers, I'm not sure that even with a perfectly flat distribution there wouldn't be issues.04:28
wgrantpersia: Once a week? Isn't it daily?04:28
persiaMind you, it's just the once that the update would have to be pulled, but...04:28
wgrantNon-security updates are only installed once a week.04:29
wgrantBut indices are updated daily, AIUI.04:29
ajmitchpersia: & how many use mirrors?04:29
ajmitchI'm sure dapper-updates's Packages file is only a fraction of the size, but it'd be interesting to see the bandwidth usage from something like that04:30
persiadail;y means nobody would ever finish, even at >85% mirror usage (assuming my wild guesses have any relation to reality)04:30
ajmitchas a comparison, hardy-updates'04:32
ajmitchhardy-updates's Packazges.gz for main is 625kB04:32
wgrantpersia: The default is daily.04:33
persiaajmitch, maverick/universe is 28MB04:33
persiaSince my wild guess was 2MB, only one tenth the users need to try to break things, or the DC can have ten times the bandwidth I assumed.04:34
persiaSo, yeah.  Bad.04:34
ajmitchpersia: that must be uncompressed, I'm looking at the .gz file04:34
ajmitchso hardy-updates for main is about 10% of the size of lucid universe's Packages.gz04:35
wgrantAnd what about bz2?04:35
ajmitchnot much different04:35
ajmitch486k compared to 625k04:35
wgrantIn my optimised publisher, bzip2 compression takes most of the time.04:36
ajmitchenough to matter, but that could still be a fair bit of data being downloaded each day04:36
persiaPackages.bz2 : 5.5M Packages.gz: 7.1M so I still didn't guess high enough, but at least within the correct order of magnitude.04:36
persia(assuming base-10, etc.)04:36
ajmitchwgrant: you're saving about 20% with bzip2 by the look of things04:36
AnAntHello, what is the process to backport a package to Lucid ?06:12
RAOF!backports | AnAnt06:26
ubottuAnAnt: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging06:26
AnAntRAOF: thanks, the package is actually foo2zjs, the maverick package adds support for printers that weren't supported into lucid. So now my question will be: should I try to get that into -updates or -backports ?06:29
RAOFIf it's possible to get into -updates, that's where it should go.06:30
RAOFWhether it's possible to get there depends on how alarming the changes required are.06:30
AnAntit's a new upstream release06:33
RAOFFor which the answer is *generally* “no”, but is not necessarily so.06:34
persiaAnAnt, If you haven't yet, you might want to coordinate with tkamppeter06:39
AnAntpersia: is that a package or a person ?06:40
nigelbthat's probably a person :)06:42
persiaAnAnt, person.  Tends to do most of the printer package management.06:42
AnAntpersia: btw, still no hope that this OpenJDK sound problem be fixed in maverick ?06:43
persiaAnAnt, I don't know of anyone working on it.  Do you?06:43
persiaWell, it's unlikely to get fixed unless someone works on it :)06:44
dholbachgood morning07:39
ajmitchmorning dholbach07:39
AnAntdholbach: welcome back07:39
dholbachhey ajmitch, hey AnAnt07:40
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ari-tczewdholbach: ping14:26
dholbachari-tczew, pong14:28
ari-tczewdholbach: what do you think about split components on sponsoring overview? bug 62921014:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 629210 in ubuntu-sponsoring "Can't identify component from sponsorship page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62921014:29
dholbachari-tczew, you can sort by component already14:29
dholbachari-tczew, but I'm not opposed if somebody writes a patch14:29
dholbachI'm too busy to do it myself right now14:29
dholbachHarvest will make this easier once it's deployed14:30
ari-tczewdholbach: how can I sort?14:30
dholbachclick on the top of the table14:31
ari-tczewbdrung_: maybe you can patch it? ^^14:31
dholbachok, I need to go for a bit14:31
dholbachsorry, not component, packageset14:31
dholbachin any case bbl14:31
bdrung_ari-tczew: do you want a column component?14:32
bdrung_ari-tczew: gimme 10 mins ;)14:32
Laneywhat you really want is "stuff I can upload"14:32
ari-tczewbdrung_: thanks :)14:32
bdrung_Laney: this is not easy to implement with a static page14:33
bdrung_ari-tczew: changes made. now i have to test if it works.14:38
bdrung_ari-tczew: 5 mins to make the change, 10 mins to run the script * number of bugs introduces14:39
ari-tczewbdrung_: ok :) awesome14:47
ari-tczewbdrung_: what do you think about separate a table: main and second table: universe14:51
bdrung_ari-tczew: do we really need that? why not sort the table?14:52
ari-tczewbdrung_: for looking better. it's only my suggestion :)14:52
tumbleweedrandom thoughts: we already have a few too many columns. I was thinking having different row background colours or something, but one can't sort on that14:53
ari-tczewtumbleweed: then I suggest to replace current 'Origin' column with 'Component'14:54
tumbleweedari-tczew: that's probably useful to MOTUs but not to Desktop / server / xubuntu etc team members14:55
ari-tczewand what about columns 'Status' and 'Importance'? necessary?14:55
tumbleweedpersonally I don't find them that necessary, but I'm sure busy core-devs do (how else do they pick one to sponsor). Lots of columns could be reduced to a single character, though (debbugs style)14:56
bdrung_my idea was to split the script into two parts: one to fetch the data (needs ~10 mins) and the second part that generates the web page. the multiple pages: one with all, one for every team, ...14:57
tumbleweedbdrung_: works for me :)14:57
tumbleweed(I don't know how anyone does any development on that script, given the long runtime and sensitivity to network stability)14:58
ari-tczewmerge-o-matic needs some love btw :)14:58
bilalakhtarWhere can I find the M-o-M source?15:05
paissad_hi all15:07
bilalakhtarah, got it15:08
paissad_which of the chans is for packages developing support ? here or #ubuntu-devel ?15:09
bilalakhtarpaissad_: both, and #ubuntu-packaging as well15:10
paissad_ok thanks15:10
paissad_well, i have this warning during packaging --> out-of-date-standards-version 3.8.4 (current is 3.9.1)15:10
ScottKpaissad_: Don't worry about it.15:11
paissad_"apt-cache policy debian-policy" shows me 3.8.4 at most !15:11
paissad_ScottK, i prefer avoid warnings as much as i can ^^15:11
paissad_we never know15:11
ScottKpaissad_: Then you could change the standards version in debian/control, but also check debian policy to make sure you make other needed changes to the package.  Generally if a package is also in Debian, we don't change the standards version.15:12
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ScottKpaissad_: 3.9.1 is in Maverick, not Lucid.15:14
paissad_oh i see15:14
paissad_so i should upgrade to Maverick beta 1st .. but i'm scared15:15
ScottKNo, you can also read the current debian policy on the debian web site.15:17
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/merge-o-matic/trunk/changes15:17
bilalakhtarari-tczew: I got it15:18
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bdrung_ari-tczew: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bdrung/sponsoring/15:55
ari-tczewbdrung_: Nothing new here. Go to http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/  instead.15:58
bdrung_ari-tczew: refresh the page. i just updated it.15:58
ari-tczewbdrung_: nice! thanks. I'm still convinced to remove 'Origin' column.16:00
Laneyshouldn't the summary be more important (left) than that?16:02
ari-tczewLaney: summary?16:03
Laneythe right most column16:03
bdrung_Laney: please suggest an order16:03
ari-tczewI'm abstained for this.16:04
Laneynext to the bug number I guess16:04
Laneyyou could maybe even merge the two16:04
Laneysummary text (bug number)16:04
LaneyIt's just that on my monitor which has a reasonably low resoltion this column is off the side16:05
bdrung_Laney: next to the 'item' column?16:06
Laneybdrung_: yes16:06
ari-tczewbdrung_: do you have a permissions to uploading m-o-m branch?16:10
bdrung_ari-tczew: dunno16:10
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bdrung_ari-tczew: where is the branch?16:10
ari-tczewbdrung_: ubuntu-core-dev16:10
bdrung_ari-tczew: then i have16:11
ari-tczewbdrung_: are you interested in tweaking m-o-m?16:12
ari-tczewthere are some patches proposed16:12
bdrung_ari-tczew: give me the links, i may look at them (if i find the time for it)16:12
ari-tczewbdrung_: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/merge-o-matic/trunk16:13
ari-tczewbdrung_: I'm very interested to test RainCT changes. how can I run it using ftp @ people.ubuntu.com like you with sponsoring overview?16:14
bdrung_ari-tczew: did you get it working locally?16:14
bdrung_Laney: file:///home/skipper/devel/sponsoring/index.html ?16:15
Laneybdrung_: ??????16:16
bdrung_Laney: wrong link. --> http://people.ubuntu.com/~bdrung/sponsoring/16:17
Laneybdrung_: cool, that's better — thanks16:18
ari-tczewbdrung_: how can I check it? download branch to public_html ?16:20
bdrung_ari-tczew: download the branch and look at the documentation how to use it.16:20
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ari-tczewbdrung_: could you show me your lintian command which you use for REVU?16:33
Laneylintian -iIE --pedantic16:34
bdrung_ari-tczew: ^16:46
bdrung_ari-tczew: on the changes files from the binary build16:47
bilalakhtarbdrung_: BTW, Why do you have a _ at the end of your nick? Why not bdrung?16:53
bilalakhtarthis is there since you have come back from vacation16:53
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bdrungbilalakhtar: that's due to reconnects16:54
bilalakhtarbdrung: http://blog.expatsinksa.com/?p=4316:54
bilalakhtarSee this ^^16:54
bilalakhtarBut works only on Irssi16:55
bdrungbilalakhtar: i am using znc + xchat16:55
bilalakhtarbut this thing works for me16:55
bilalakhtarnow I don't care about reconnects16:56
bilalakhtarits all automated16:56
bilalakhtarmy nick gets ghosted, and my nick then gets changed back automatically16:56
kklimondadoes it really matter? bdrung is bdrung even with a bar16:57
bilalakhtarkklimonda: I am curious about even the smallest of things16:58
bdrungbilalakhtar: my new ISP doesn't have a 24 h reconnect. i don't know how often i will get a new ip.16:58
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ari-tczewbdrung: we got a problem. from sponsoring overview:  universe git-core ; but git-core is in main18:02
bdrungari-tczew: file a bug. that's probably because git-core isn't in maverick any more.18:08
gesergit-core the source package got renames to git18:16
geserbut there is still a git-core binary package (build from git)18:16
geserfor transition18:17
ari-tczewgeser: ok, but why universe?18:19
geserari-tczew: without to much digging into the code I assume it's because git-core isn't in maverick anymore and universe is used as default/fallback18:25
ari-tczewhow can I set my @ubuntu.com alias to use it in evolution when I send a message?18:39
ari-tczewbdrung:  I have updated clementine. It's available @REVU for review. :)18:41
kklimondaari-tczew: create a new account and don't set any server for receiving emails.18:45
bdrungari-tczew: that doesn't look good: http://paste.debian.net/92600/19:05
bdrung(wrong idention)19:05
ari-tczewbdrung: I think that upstream author has added this change due to hosting clementine on google code. I'll talk to him.19:07
bdrungari-tczew: 2.) three spaces as indention for the bullet point in long description?19:08
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bdrungari-tczew: what does that have to do with upstream? just change the indention: http://paste.debian.net/92601/19:09
ari-tczewbdrung: ah, I thought that this license is not good19:10
ari-tczewbdrung: well, how many spaces I need to delete? There are 519:11
bdrungari-tczew: the license is fine. only ISC is better than BSD.19:12
bdrungari-tczew: four. "<space>*<space>"19:12
bdrungari-tczew: and use three spaces for the indented next line19:13
ari-tczewwhat a odd rules19:14
* ari-tczew is preparing a fix19:14
bdrungari-tczew: i don't know if that is a rule.19:15
bdrungari-tczew: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Description19:17
bdrungari-tczew: i have to change my previous comments. always use only one leading space. two or more spaces indicates a verbatim copy, which is not our intention.19:19
ari-tczewbdrung: now is it okay? https://code.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/clementine/REVU19:26
bdrungari-tczew: point 1 yes, point 2 (long description) still open19:29
ari-tczewbtw, what do you think about support bzr for revu?>19:29
bdrungari-tczew: that would be nice19:30
ari-tczewwgrant: I guess that you are a master in these cases :D ^^19:30
ari-tczewbdrung: ok, there are 3 spaces. how many I have to remove? 2 spaces?19:32
ari-tczewbdrung: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/clementine/REVU/revision/1719:36
kklimondawhich reminds me - tumbleweed: wrt to me using UNRELEASED in debdiff - when you use dch --release or even sponsor-patch it shouldn't really change the maintainer line of changelog so it's not 10 second work for sponsors (yeah, I realize that the comment you made were few days ago but I've just recalled it ;) )19:36
ari-tczewkklimonda: I don't understand where are you going to?19:38
kklimondaari-tczew: tumbleweed has commented on one of my bugs saying that changing UNRELEASED to the pocket you are interested in makes a work for sponsors easier - I don't see how when sponsor-patch should take care of changing it for sponsors.19:40
ck2010where do I start to become a motu after reading MOTU/GettingStarted?19:40
ari-tczewkklimonda: I think that it's not related to sponsor-patch. Changing manually target from UNRELEASED to maverick (example) taking 10 seconds of sponsors life.19:42
kklimondaari-tczew: then don't change it manually, use available tools19:42
ari-tczewck2010: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment19:43
bdrungck2010: to become a MOTU you need to contribute to ubuntu through an sponsor before (point 9)19:43
kklimondaari-tczew: dch --release -m -D lucid-proposed doesn't take additional 10 seconds19:44
ari-tczewkklimonda: wait, I'll check it with stoper. :D19:44
bdrungkklimonda: if you want that sponsor-patch checks or sets the target, please file a bug report.19:45
ari-tczewkklimonda: huh, 7,7 seconds!19:45
kklimondabdrung: I can even prepare a patch ;)19:45
kklimondaari-tczew: and that's without any aliases :)19:45
bdrungkklimonda: i'll review it19:45
bdrungari-tczew: remove README.source19:48
bdrungari-tczew: "override_dh_auto_test: ;" should work too (one liner)19:49
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tsmithehey; i don't really have enough knowledge of the translation system to understand the origin of this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/musescore/+bug/63350119:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 633501 in musescore (Ubuntu) "MuseScore Translation problem on Ubuntu Lucid" [Undecided,New]19:51
tsmithe(i posted in -translations, but it's a bit quiet)19:51
ari-tczewbdrung: README.source is already removed in REVU, but I didn't remove it @bzr.20:08
* ari-tczew is merging both sources.20:08
ari-tczewbdrung: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/clementine/REVU/revision/1820:18
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ari-tczewbdrung: any issues yet?20:47
bdrungari-tczew: no. it's fine from the technical point. things needed to be done: license check and install & using test20:49
bilalakhtarari-tczew: Aiming for natty, I hope20:51
ari-tczewbdrung: are you going to do it?20:52
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: I'd get it into maverick...20:52
bilalakhtarari-tczew: THIS late?20:53
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: I want to give 10.10 users a good music player.20:53
bilalakhtarari-tczew: Did you get an FFe?20:54
bilalakhtarYou will break so many freezes!20:54
kklimondait's a ne package, targeted for universe so it's not that bad if he got a FFe20:54
kklimondabilalakhtar: remember that the freezez for unseeded packages aren't that strict as for seeded ones20:55
bdrungari-tczew: do you have a FFe?20:55
kklimondafreezes* (is it even a word? ;) )20:55
* sebner is wondering if we don't have good music players already ;-)20:56
ari-tczewbdrung: no, because I'm waiting for REVU ACK.20:56
kklimondasebner: only about around dozen or so ;)20:56
iuliansebner: Heh.20:56
bilalakhtarkklimonda: That doesn't mean that you go ahead and upload a new upstream version of linux an hour before release20:56
bdrungari-tczew: use xmms2 :P20:56
sebnerbdrung: audacious ftw! :P20:56
kklimondabilalakhtar: I don't see a problem *if* he gets a FFe for it.20:57
* iulian goes back in his cave now.20:57
sebneriulian: ^20:57
ari-tczewbdrung: no ;) I like amarok 1.4, so clementine is a placeholder20:57
bdrungsebner: you like audacious? do you volunteer to make audacious the best player?20:57
bilalakhtarkklimonda: So getting a person to ACK your FFe is not all, you _NEED_ to be responsible20:57
sebnerbdrung: nah, the best player (which I use 99% of time) is banshee :P20:57
kklimondabdrung: oh, you are no longer interested in audacious? how's that? I thought you were really close to its upstream developer :)20:58
bdrungari-tczew: upload your latest revision to revu and i will comment it20:58
ari-tczewin Poland, we have a phrase: tastes is not discussed20:58
kklimondabilalakhtar: do you suggest that ari-tczew isn't responsible and the package is going to bitrot in archive?20:58
bilalakhtarkklimonda: You meant that getting an FFe is all one needs20:58
bilalakhtarYou are breaking a freeze and you need to be responsible20:59
bilalakhtarI know ari-tczew will be responsible, for sure20:59
bilalakhtarbut your approach is 'Get an FFe and just upload without caring about anything else'20:59
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: it's not a library, so nothing will be broken. :)20:59
ari-tczewand I use this package, so I'm sure, that it works fine.21:00
bilalakhtarari-tczew: hmm, yes21:00
bilalakhtarThe case with clementine is different, though21:00
bdrungkklimonda: i'm in the multimedia team and touch many sound apps (audacity, audacious, xmms2 + ~5 clients). if there is someone else who wants to maintain audacious, i will give it right away.21:00
bilalakhtarbdrung: You maintain audacious?21:01
bdrungbilalakhtar: yes (for a half year)21:01
bilalakhtarbdrung: ah, did I tell you I became MOTU?21:02
ari-tczewbdrung: do you will give an ACK?21:02
bilalakhtardo you will give ^^ :D21:02
bilalakhtarbigon: Stop reconnecting!21:02
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: ?21:02
bilalakhtarari-tczew: nothing, just a grammatical error21:03
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: btw. turn off showing who log-in or log-out.21:03
kklimondabilalakhtar: my approach is "if you get a FFe you are all set" and that does not include any work you are supposed to do before or after getting FFe - I assume that package that gets a FFe is ready to be uploaded and that person responsible for it is going to be responsible.21:03
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: sorry, I'm not a perfect person, like other.21:03
bigonmmm some trouble with my ipv6 connexion21:03
bdrungbilalakhtar: yes. i did read the dmb meeting log. did i welcome you in the team?21:03
bilalakhtarI have gone to poland, and I can see that ari-tczew knows much better english that other pols!21:04
ari-tczewI remember that bdrung sent congrats to bilalakhtar.21:04
bilalakhtarbdrung: no, but you just did21:04
* bilalakhtar re-checks the log21:04
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: do you planning visit our country?21:05
bilalakhtarbdrung: hmm, nope, probably I was away at that time, but thanks a lot anyway21:05
bdrungbilalakhtar: ok, then this got lost in the big backlog after my holydays21:05
bilalakhtarari-tczew: I visited in 200721:05
bdrungbilalakhtar: where do you come from?21:05
bilalakhtarbdrung: Indian by origin, living in Saudi Arabia21:06
bdrungbilalakhtar: you want to maintain audacious?21:07
bilalakhtarbdrung: will answer that tomorrow :) I will definitely21:07
ajmitchyou're brave21:07
bilalakhtarbdrung: haven't looked at the code yet, but I will be happy to21:07
* ajmitch stabs nz2.a.u.c again21:08
kklimondabdrung: you should tell anyone that they are going to have to work with an.. opinionated upstream developer21:08
bilalakhtarbdrung: I have always wanted to maintain packages in Debian, and am currently talking to pkg-grass-devel about transferring 2 packages to me21:08
bdrungbilalakhtar: i must warn you. there are upstream guys that violate our CoC in every conversation.21:08
* bilalakhtar is strict on the CoC21:08
bilalakhtarbdrung: really? Well, that shouldn't be a showstopper bug :D21:09
bdrungbilalakhtar: you can only "enforce" the CoC in our channels and in Launchpad21:09
bilalakhtarbdrung: In know that21:09
bdrungbilalakhtar: for example bug #647859 or this commit: http://hg.atheme.org/release/audacious-plugins-2.4.x/release/audacious-plugins-2.4.x/rev/6a8df459ccce21:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 647859 in audacious-plugins (Ubuntu) "LOL THE NEW AUDACIOUS PLUGINS PACKAGE IS NO LONGER DFSG COMPLIANT" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64785921:10
kklimondabilalakhtar: well, if you are being called names for patching software to conform to debian policy it may get a little tedious to work on it21:10
bilalakhtar'I am strict' means I somehow get other guys to follow CoCs. Just ask the people on #omg!ubuntu! how I got a CoC in effect21:10
ajmitchkklimonda: like the recent rant about ruby that's come up?21:10
Nafallohaha. srsly. LOL in the bug title?21:11
bilalakhtarThi is hell21:11
kklimondaajmitch: heh, or the one about ion3 in debian..21:11
bilalakhtarbdrung: Is this the reason why you want to give up? :D21:11
ajmitchkklimonda: ah yes, the joerg schilling award for free software :)21:11
bilalakhtarbdrung: That commit is so bad!21:12
bilalakhtarbdrung: I have to sleep now, will tell tomorrow21:12
bilalakhtarbye guys21:12
bdrungbilalakhtar: it's sometimes hard to stay calm. one tip: get the patches upstream first and then cherry-pick them from their VCS. then they can't complain about the patches.21:12
kklimondaajmitch: yeah - the award for FLOSS project managment.. ;)21:12
* ajmitch thinks today is a good day to upload packages to debian21:13
bdrungupstream is not the reason for giving the package away. i maintain too many packages and that consumes too much time.21:13
directhexcould be worse21:13
directhexlet me find the bug number21:13
ajmitchdirecthex: it could be evil tainted mono stuff?21:13
directhexbug 22090721:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 220907 in quodlibet (Ubuntu) "source code heavily insulting" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22090721:14
ajmitchdirecthex: was that the one where it insulted slomo directly?21:14
ajmitchah yes, it is21:14
directhexajmitch: mais oui!21:14
kklimondadirecthex: nice one :)21:15
ari-tczewbdrung: clementine uploaded. when you will give an ACK, then I'll sign my comment as 2nd ACK. then I'm going to open FFe request.21:20
ari-tczewiulian: what do you think about it? ^^21:20
kklimondaari-tczew: can MOTU ack his own uploads? Isn't it the same as confirming own bugs?21:22
bdrungkklimonda: for new package this is allowed.21:22
sebnerari-tczew: I think the point is that at this time of the cycle people tend to fix stuff instead of introduce new packages, especially since we have tons of good players already but if you are happy with it and it gets accepted .. fine21:22
ari-tczewsebner: I am stubborn.21:23
ajmitchwe've noticed that :)21:24
bdrungari-tczew: comment given21:25
* ajmitch had taken a look at clementine but no indepth review21:26
ari-tczewwhat is hard with approve new package? I'll give buildlog, installog and feedback from using.21:26
ari-tczewand it's target to universe.21:27
kklimondawe are talking here and I've missed the premiere of Sintel :/21:27
ajmitchthe tedious parts are usually things like the license check21:27
bdrungari-tczew: find a motu who has the time for a full license check.21:27
kklimondayeah, the life of ftp master is a boring one ;)21:27
ari-tczewwho is a mastermind in licenses? :)21:28
ajmitchyou'd also have to hope that there'll be an archive admin with time to process a new package in the next week or so21:29
bdrungsintel has a strange resolution (2048 x 872)21:30
ari-tczewajmitch: would you like to check license for clementine? ;)21:30
ari-tczewbdrung: (not advocating) :(21:30
bdrungari-tczew: it's just the missing license check. otherwise you have my advocation.21:30
kklimondabdrung: yeah, 720p isn't yet ready21:30
ajmitchari-tczew: at the moment, no, since I'm at work (yay for timezones)21:32
ari-tczewajmitch: later?21:33
ajmitchI see that debian/copyright looks fairly complicated21:33
ari-tczewajmitch: so I'm counting on you. if you will process it, you have beer from me. I'll start FFe tomorrow.21:38
ajmitchdon't count on me, I had about 4 hours sleep :P21:38
* ari-tczew is going to prepare a raport about stock management.21:38
ajmitchsounds really exciting21:38
ajmitchalmost as exciting as my evening updating data due to tax changes here21:38
ari-tczewheh :P21:39
ari-tczewsee you later21:39
kklimondabah, way too short :/21:43
lfaraoneScottK: can you ACK bug 649994? chrisccoulson from mozillateam okayed as not needing trademark approval, and I'm keen to have this in the release.22:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 649994 in Ubuntu "FFE: [needs-packaging] sugar-firefox-activity" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64999422:30
ScottKlfaraone: If it's a sync from Debian, I'm ok with it.22:31
ScottK(feel free to copy/paste that in the bug)22:31
lfaraoneScottK: it's a new package, you can't have packages in Debian with the word 'firefox' in them :)22:31
lfaraoneScottK: I'll post a deb in a few minutes, it's soooo trivial anybody should be able to follow the code.22:32
ScottKlfaraone: Then alternately find another archive admin who can review it for New as I don't have time to look at it from scratch.22:32
lfaraoneScottK: okay, I'll get that. But don't I need a FFe first?22:33
ScottKlfaraone: I'll give you the FFe conditional on an archive admin to review it.22:33
ScottK(Close enough)22:33
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