| Riddell | slangasek: should I be pre-publishing images now? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| slangasek | Riddell: if you have good images, then yes :) | 00:06 |
| Riddell | slangasek: so I do for-project .. publish-release .. poolonly to pre publish? then what do I do tomorrow to publish them? | 00:13 |
| Riddell | charlie-tca: ok to publish xubuntu images? | 00:23 |
| Riddell | stgraber: ok to publish edubuntu images? | 00:23 |
| stgraber | Riddell: yep | 00:24 |
| * robbiew probably should work on a release announcement, huh? | 00:25 | |
| Riddell | robbiew: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RCAnnouncement would be a start | 00:26 |
| robbiew | yeah...I think skaet started it already | 00:26 |
| Riddell | I started that | 00:27 |
| robbiew | oh...Riddell did | 00:27 |
| robbiew | :) | 00:27 |
| Riddell | where's rick to sign off on ubuntu images? | 00:27 |
| robbiew | will need to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview as well | 00:27 |
| Riddell | yes indeed | 00:28 |
| Riddell | jiboumans: ok to publish ubuntu server images? | 00:29 |
| robbiew | Riddell: I don't believe they need to sign off on the images | 00:31 |
| robbiew | they = rick and jos | 00:31 |
| robbiew | if the ISOs cleared the isoqa process, then they are good to go | 00:32 |
| Riddell | I'm going by https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest, there's a few failures on ISO tracker so I wouldn't say that counts as cleared | 00:34 |
| Riddell | e.g. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4564 has two failures on live session and one on wubi | 00:35 |
| robbiew | aye | 00:40 |
| robbiew | Riddell: well you might not get a response from either today :/ | 00:41 |
| slangasek | Riddell: tomorrow you run publish-release again with 'yes' instead of 'poolonly' | 00:42 |
| Riddell | slangasek: for each of the classes of image? | 00:43 |
| slangasek | for all images that belong on releases.u.c | 00:43 |
| Riddell | yep | 00:43 |
| slangasek | and you'll want to make sure you stow the beta images away in ../old-images/ before you start publishing with 'yes', otherwise bits go awol | 00:44 |
| Riddell | slangasek: is that just done by hand? | 00:46 |
| slangasek | sadly, yes | 00:46 |
| Laney | 30/09 00:51:16 <sarah_pearce16> shes gonna het off with some fitty then | 00:52 |
| Laney | >> (30/09 00:51:18) (Laney[+Ris]) (39:sarah_pearce16) | 00:52 |
| Laney | >> (1=1 |#crumbs 2=2 |#php 3=3 |#short.bus 4=4 |#haskell 5=5 |#toast~ers 6=6 |#debian-uk 7=7 |#relax 8=8 |#deb~n-cli 9=9 |#agda | 00:52 |
| Laney | >> (0=10|#ubu~lease q=11|#ubu~-motu w=12|#ubu~devel e=13|#ubuntu-uk r=14|#epigram t=15|&bitlbee y=16|#ubunt~ing u=17|#debian i=18|#debi~evel | 00:52 |
| Laney | argh | 00:52 |
| Laney | multitouch + x clipboard = bad combination | 00:52 |
| ajmitch | Laney: it's an entertaining combination though | 00:55 |
| Laney | I accidently paste things so often, it's pretty shameful really | 00:56 |
| Riddell | slangasek: for publishing on cdimages I use "named" in the command? | 00:57 |
| slangasek | Riddell: correct | 00:57 |
| Riddell | slangasek: what happens if I use "no"? | 00:57 |
| slangasek | Riddell: then you get images published with naming in the style of alphas (i.e., without the release version in the filename) | 00:58 |
| Riddell | ok, not what I want then | 00:59 |
| Riddell | slangasek: what do I have to do to publish wubi (if anything)? | 01:00 |
| slangasek | Riddell: that's not part of the RC checklist, is it? I don't know that we "release" wubi until the end | 01:02 |
| slangasek | Riddell: but the process is to grab the URL returned by 'find-live-filesystem i386 wubi' and wget that into the release dir | 01:02 |
| slangasek | (and call it 'wubi.exe', or something else sensible) | 01:03 |
| Riddell | I'd have thought RC was ment to follow the final release as closely as possible, isn't it ment to be a practice run? | 01:03 |
| slangasek | that's not how I understand it | 01:05 |
| slangasek | there's lots of other stuff happening on release day that we don't go through for the RC - the RC is really just a last test of the archive+images before the point of no return | 01:05 |
| persia | It's also an extra good excuse to make developers get their heads out of random code and remember that a release is happening, and they have to fix that niggling bug *NOW* | 01:06 |
| ScottL | Riddell, were you asking about ubuntu studio publication? | 01:19 |
| ScottL | i think we should be good :) | 01:19 |
| Riddell | ScottL: I was | 01:19 |
| ScottL | Riddell, is there anything specifically you needed? | 01:20 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest says I need LuisdeBethencourt to sign off, but if you can prove you're also responsible for it that's good | 01:20 |
| ScottL | Riddell, i do not think you will get his sign off ;) i am current project lead however, you can validate that with persia and themuso if necessary | 01:21 |
| * persia hunts up the email to ubuntu-release | 01:22 | |
| persia | Oh, u-d-a actually: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-September/000766.html | 01:22 |
| Riddell | persia: do you trust this guy? or is he just a one bit shift plageriser of ScottK? :) | 01:22 |
| persia | ScottL, You should probably update the wiki | 01:22 |
| persia | Riddell, I trust ScottL | 01:23 |
| ScottL | persia, i shall update the wiki later tonight (kids are acting up) | 01:23 |
| ScottK | Actually someone other than ScottL should update the wiki. | 01:23 |
| persia | (and yes, nick-completion gets useless at that level of similarity) | 01:23 |
| persia | ScottK, Who ought it be? | 01:23 |
| Riddell | I can update the wiki | 01:23 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 01:23 |
| ScottL | Oustanding | 01:23 |
| persia | Great! | 01:23 |
| ScottL | err. Outstanding ;) | 01:23 |
| ScottK | persia: I don't think people should be self-appointed to the release manifest. | 01:23 |
| persia | ScottK, We probably ought formalise that then, as we've historically mostly self-appointed release manifest entries when we added them. | 01:24 |
| persia | I agree with your point, but it needs documentation, review by appropriate teams (ubuntu-release? TB?), announcement, etc. | 01:25 |
| ScottK | persia: I don't know that it has to be a formal rule, just a best practice. | 01:25 |
| persia | That's easier to implement :) | 01:25 |
| ScottK | persia: The release delegations are different than ISO signoff in any case. | 01:26 |
| ScottK | (re your earlier comment) | 01:26 |
| persia | Ah, that's my failure in not being familiar enough with the release approval process then. | 01:27 |
| persia | (both in referencing that, and in not ensuring that ScottL was listed there previously) | 01:28 |
| ScottK | We'll survive. | 01:28 |
| Riddell | slangasek: the .pool directories look good, I presume I use sync-mirrors to push them out? | 01:30 |
| slangasek | Riddell: yep | 01:31 |
| Riddell | syncing | 01:32 |
| * Riddell snoozes | 01:54 | |
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| skaet | Riddell, around? | 06:10 |
| persia | skaet, he claimed to be snoozing about 270 minutes ago: he's probably still doing so :) | 06:42 |
| skaet | heh, spotted that, but he wasn't marked away, so figured I'd check. :) | 06:43 |
| * skaet figures its time for her to go sleep too, it can wait until the morning. | 06:44 | |
| persia | Won't hurt to leave a contentful ping, and check your backscroll in the morning... :) | 06:44 |
| persia | (plus someone else might have the data you seek) | 06:45 |
| skaet | Thanks persia, I sent a long email a while ago now, mostly its just trying to sort out who'll do what tomorrow between him, Robbie and myself ;) The TechnicalOverview needs some love on its release notes for the known issues. | 06:58 |
| persia | GIven your timezone, I suspect you'll end up with whatever isn't already done when you get up :) | 07:00 |
| skaet | lol, yup. | 07:00 |
| ara | good morning all! | 08:14 |
| Riddell | charlie-tca: ping, xubuntu sign off needed | 08:34 |
| Riddell | jiboumans: ping, server sign off needed | 08:35 |
| didrocks | weird weechat doesn't save anymore channels on close… | 08:36 |
| Riddell | well it's only wee, next time try mucklechat :) | 08:41 |
| mvo | could someone please reject my foomatic-gui upload? it appears that needs a bit of clarification with till first | 09:25 |
| seb128 | mvo, done | 09:27 |
| mvo | thanks seb128 | 09:36 |
| Riddell | ogasawara: please check kernel info on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview | 09:45 |
| ara | Riddell, pointing to the kubuntu wiki, uh? :) | 09:52 |
| ara | Riddell, in known bugs thare are some from last milestone | 09:53 |
| Riddell | ara: I think didrocks is making some edits, please coordinate with him to get them updated | 09:53 |
| didrocks | will release the lock shortly | 09:54 |
| ara | Riddell, shouldn't be skaet doing that? or the one acting as RM | 09:54 |
| ara | who is in charge? | 09:54 |
| Riddell | yes skaet said she could do it too | 09:55 |
| didrocks | done for me | 09:56 |
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| doko | please accept lash, if possible | 11:36 |
| persia | It's in the Studio set. | 11:36 |
| doko | ahh, ok | 11:37 |
| persia | doko, Generally https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= will show if stuff is in a set (use queue_text if the list is too long) | 11:43 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: mountall 2.19 is serious for cloud, nice-to-have for everything else | 11:55 |
| Riddell | good, thanks | 11:56 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: do you know about publish-image-set.py in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools? | 11:56 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: it doesn't run them for you, but it saves having to come up with all the publish-release commands by hand | 11:57 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: I did not | 11:57 |
| cjwatson | pitti wrote it for alpha-3 or so, and I polished it a bit for beta; it's not quite there yet but it's a heck of a lot easier than byhand | 11:58 |
| cjwatson | hah, bet it doesn't know about "RC" mind you ... | 11:58 |
| * cjwatson goes to fix it | 11:58 | |
| Riddell | doesn't look like it | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | fixed | 12:01 |
| Riddell | is this a bad sign "Making armel+omap zsync metafile ... too long between blocks (try a smaller block size with -b)" | 12:02 |
| Riddell | ok images all in place except those omap ones which zsync breaks on | 12:10 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: any idea what that's about? | 12:10 |
| Riddell | now we just need sign off from server, the ubuntu website people to do whatever the ubuntu website people need to do, publish, announce | 12:11 |
| Riddell | beasties still need updated on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview | 12:13 |
| Riddell | ogasawara needs to update linux version numbers too | 12:13 |
| cjwatson | uh, I vaguely remember having to do some weird stupid thing with zsync | 12:13 |
| Riddell | curiously the kubuntu omap images published fine | 12:14 |
| cjwatson | let me poke about a bit before I answer | 12:14 |
| Riddell | but ubuntu-netbook and kubuntu-mobile broke | 12:15 |
| cjwatson | which exact command? | 12:15 |
| cjwatson | (s) | 12:15 |
| cjwatson | actually never mind, I'll just see if I can make it cope in general | 12:18 |
| Riddell | ARCHES='armel+omap armel+omap4' for-project ubuntu-netbook publish-release ports/daily-preinstalled 20100929 preinstalled-netbook named rc #FAILED | 12:19 |
| cjwatson | try it again now | 12:21 |
| * Riddell tries | 12:22 | |
| Riddell | "too long between blocks (try a smaller block size with -b) Trying again with block size 2048 ..." clever :) | 12:23 |
| cjwatson | still a zsyncmake bug, but there you go | 12:23 |
| ScottK | slangasek: I'd appreciate it if you would have a look at the kdebase-workspace upload in queue (it's a one line change to it's upstart script). The rationale sounds reasonable and the code does what the rationale says, but i have no idea if it's the right idea. | 12:27 |
| smoser | Riddell, publish of ec2/uec images is done from nectarine.canonical.com | 12:37 |
| smoser | cjwatson also has acl | 12:37 |
| smoser | documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Publishing | 12:37 |
| Riddell | hmm | 12:40 |
| Riddell | well I don't seem to have access to nectarine | 12:43 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: can you publish the UEC images? | 12:43 |
| cjwatson | yeah | 12:44 |
| cjwatson | what build id? | 12:45 |
| cjwatson | 20100928.4? | 12:46 |
| smoser | are we ready to push go ? | 12:48 |
| smoser | if so i can do it | 12:48 |
| smoser | or we can let cjwatson | 12:48 |
| smoser | also for uec images i have to update AMI pages on amazon, which i can/will do | 12:49 |
| cjwatson | I probably ought to learn how to do it | 12:49 |
| smoser | yeah. | 12:49 |
| smoser | ok. | 12:49 |
| smoser | well, i'm kind of here. if you fall over. | 12:50 |
| smoser | i've already pre-published that image. i dont think you've ever been shared aws login info to do "Updating Amazon Pages" | 12:51 |
| cjwatson | so I run 'sudo -u vmbuilder /home/vmbuilder/bin/cronrun promote-daily rc /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4', yes? | 12:51 |
| cjwatson | I'm probably best off not trying to do the amazon update | 12:51 |
| cjwatson | oh, I add --make-public? | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | so 'sudo -u vmbuilder /home/vmbuilder/bin/cronrun promote-daily --make-public rc /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4'? | 12:52 |
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| cjwatson | (awaiting ack before pressing enter) | 12:53 |
| smoser | verifying | 12:55 |
| smoser | vbcron promote-daily release /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4/ --verbose --make-public | 12:56 |
| smoser | oh. and vbcron is just sudo -u vmbuilder (in ~vmbuilder/bin) | 12:56 |
| smoser | so yeah. | 12:56 |
| smoser | hit enter | 12:56 |
| cjwatson | you had 'release' not 'rc'? | 12:58 |
| smoser | oh carp | 12:58 |
| smoser | i did. | 12:59 |
| smoser | we need to run with 'rc' | 12:59 |
| cjwatson | does it require any kind of cleanup of the previous publication? | 12:59 |
| smoser | i'll handle that. its all public | 13:00 |
| smoser | err... private | 13:00 |
| nhandler | Looks like Omg Ubuntu! has already announced the RC | 13:00 |
| cjwatson | should I let you do this at this point? :) | 13:00 |
| smoser | yes. i'm sorry. i can't believe i did that. | 13:01 |
| ajmitch | nhandler: someone has to jump the gun :) | 13:01 |
| wgrant | Slashdot always announces the release several hours early. | 13:01 |
| smoser | ok. cjwatson i just started: vbcron promote-daily --make-public rc /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4 --allow-existing --verbose | 13:02 |
| * cjwatson nods and logs out :) | 13:02 | |
| smoser | it will take like 3 hours :-( | 13:03 |
| smoser | at least the last one did. | 13:03 |
| smoser | and worse, its largely network bandwidth bottlenecked | 13:05 |
| elmo | smoser: who's bandwidth? | 13:05 |
| elmo | whose | 13:06 |
| smoser | outbound from canonical | 13:06 |
| smoser | well canonical -> aws | 13:06 |
| smoser | obviously its not saturated, but i don tthink that a release grab is going to help it. | 13:07 |
| elmo | smoser: if this is nectarine, you're on a link that's essentially unaffected by RC or anything else | 13:09 |
| smoser | oh. it is nectarine. | 13:09 |
| ttx | Riddell: I'm ok with RC | 13:09 |
| * cjwatson leaves a comment on behalf of the release team on the omgubuntu page | 13:09 | |
| Riddell | ttx: thank, I'll publish those then | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | I don't imagine slashdot will ever change their spots but at least omgubuntu could do better | 13:10 |
| ttx | I'm having problems with that conference connection | 13:10 |
| ttx | smoser/Daviey: you can confirm for me | 13:11 |
| Riddell | I don't see it on slashdot | 13:11 |
| smoser | ttx, ? | 13:11 |
| ttx | smoser: that RC is "ready to ship" for you | 13:12 |
| Daviey | ttx: confirm? | 13:13 |
| smoser | well, no. | 13:13 |
| smoser | it was ok. | 13:13 |
| smoser | but we're a couple hours away now. | 13:13 |
| smoser | as i fat-fingered the pre-publish yesterday | 13:14 |
| Riddell | smoser: for the normal server images, not cloud | 13:14 |
| ttx | smoser/Daviey: Riddell has been asking me if I could signoff for RC | 13:15 |
| ttx | smoser/Davieyyou know ths situation better than I do | 13:15 |
| ttx | and that flaky connection can go down any time | 13:15 |
| Daviey | ttx: Yes.. it's looking good. | 13:15 |
| Daviey | ttx: Nothing major has arisen with the pre-rc tests | 13:16 |
| cjwatson | in mdz style I am slightly spooked by the lack of need for last-minute respins | 13:16 |
| ttx | cjwatson: that's because you rock :) | 13:17 |
| ttx | smoser/Daviey: great | 13:17 |
| Riddell | wow, those omgubuntu people are cheeky | 13:19 |
| smoser | ok. i have to get away from the machine for a bit. the publish will be done when it is done. | 13:19 |
| Riddell | "perhaps you should work _with_ us" it's not like we're hard to find if they want to ask | 13:19 |
| smoser | and it will update: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/query/released.latest.txt | 13:20 |
| ScottK | Riddell: After they published a screed about how awful Ubuntu devs were, I decided I wasn't interested in them anymore. | 13:20 |
| Daviey | Maverick is looking better that i expected :) | 13:21 |
| Riddell | didrocks: gnome version numbers still don't match https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RCAnnouncement | 13:21 |
| smoser | so anyone interested can just : while sleep 10m ; do wget http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/query/released.latest.txt | grep "maverick.*rc" && mpg321 NarwhalsNarwhals.mp3; done | 13:21 |
| ScottK | Low expectations will do that for you. | 13:21 |
| didrocks | Riddell: sorry, should have forget to save the edit, fixed. | 13:24 |
| Riddell | so now we need skaet or someone to update the bugs on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview, ogasawara to fill in her version for the linux bit, newz to copy it over to the ubuntu website | 13:25 |
| ttx | Riddell: if you don't need me anymore, I'll disappear again | 13:27 |
| Riddell | ttx: thanks, you can go | 13:27 |
| ttx | Riddell: thank you for a smooth milestone release ! | 13:28 |
| Riddell | and they're all on the wrong side of the planet so I guess we have to wait | 13:28 |
| Riddell | or I could just assume the announcement is ok, ignore the ubuntu website and announce | 13:34 |
| Riddell | that's what I would do if I was an omgubuntu editor :) | 13:34 |
| didrocks | :) | 13:35 |
| ogra | where is the known issues page template ? | 13:35 |
| * ogra wants to check that all notes made it from the bugs to that page | 13:36 | |
| ogra | Riddell, ? ^^^ | 13:37 |
| Riddell | ogra: bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview | 13:39 |
| ogra | thanks | 13:39 |
| * ogra cross checks | 13:39 | |
| ogra | can i edit there ? | 13:40 |
| ogra | its all blue ! | 13:40 |
| ScottK | You can. We allow it. | 13:42 |
| ogra | heh | 13:42 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 13:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Can I start reviewing/accepting seeded packages from the queue? | 13:44 |
| ScottK | (normally once we're into publishing that's OK) | 13:44 |
| ogra | hrm | 13:44 |
| * ogra would edit if he could log in ... seems to be some heavy load on the wiki atm | 13:45 | |
| Riddell | ScottK: aye go for it | 13:49 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. I'll work doko's NBS stuff. | 13:49 |
| cjwatson | Benjamin Humphrey got in touch with me by /msg as requested, but when I replied eight minutes later he'd already /quit ... | 13:50 |
| * cjwatson sighs | 13:50 | |
| ScottK | Sigh. | 13:54 |
| ScottK | lamont: Why are all the i386 buildd's on manual? | 13:54 |
| ScottK | Is there an estimated time they'll be back? | 13:55 |
| wgrant | You'd think that news sites could, you know, check the website. | 14:03 |
| ara | skaet, hello, are you around? | 14:03 |
| ScottK | wgrant: That's not a recipe for being first. You have to have proper priorities. | 14:04 |
| Riddell | ara: skaet seems to still be asleep | 14:09 |
| Riddell | I've announced on kubuntu.org but the ubuntu e-mail announce will probably need to wait for her | 14:09 |
| ara | Riddell, but there are some bugs on the release notes that are already fixed | 14:10 |
| Riddell | ara: yes that's what I'm waiting to be updated | 14:10 |
| ara | Riddell, i.e. bug 628681 | 14:11 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 628681 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Kubuntu OEM did not install oem-config-kde (dup-of: 628290)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628681 | 14:11 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 628290 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "OEM installation, missing "Prepare for shipping to end user" icon (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 167)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628290 | 14:11 |
| ara | Riddell, OK, no worries, I'll talk to her when she's around :) | 14:11 |
| ScottK | Riddell: We're going to have trouble moving these post-RC builds through with no i386 builders. Perhaps you could have a poke at IS and find out what's up and when we can expect to have them back? | 14:17 |
| ogra | ScottK, i'm happy to share the arm ones (though we would have to delay the release i guess ;) ) | 14:18 |
| cjwatson | I can chase it | 14:18 |
| ScottK | Heh. Probably. | 14:19 |
| elmo | ScottK: that was Ng | 14:19 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Thanks. | 14:19 |
| elmo | he's doing the bootstrap | 14:19 |
| elmo | that you guys asked for - he should only be a couple more minutes he says | 14:19 |
| ScottK | OK. | 14:19 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: ^^^ mystery resolved. | 14:19 |
| cjwatson | ah, normally bootstraps don't require taking all the buildds down for more than a few moments | 14:19 |
| cjwatson | the procedure I remember is "stop buildds, get nominated buildd to accept package you want, re-enable them all"? | 14:20 |
| elmo | cjwatson: essentially, yes | 14:20 |
| lamont | cjwatson: yep. and wait for it to fetch and at least start unpacking the buildd | 14:20 |
| lamont | s/buildd$/tarball/ | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | OOo is needed, but will take a while :-/ | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | (fix uninstallables on armel) | 14:21 |
| Ng | cjwatson: sorry yeah it's taking me a bit longer than it should | 14:21 |
| Ng | ok they're back on auto now, sorry about that | 14:24 |
| cjwatson | thanks! | 14:24 |
| wgrant | Ng: Is the build in question tiles? | 14:27 |
| Ng | yeah | 14:28 |
| wgrant | It bounced onto vernadsky a minute or two ago. | 14:28 |
| wgrant | Was that intentional? | 14:28 |
| Ng | no, it seems to be unhappy | 14:28 |
| ScottK | Threaten to build it -j 16 on armel if it doesn't behave. | 14:29 |
| elmo | ScottK: you joke, but foomatic already does that :-/ | 14:29 |
| ScottK | elmo: Yeah, I knew I wasn't making that up. | 14:30 |
| ScottK | lamont says that makes the buildd very angry. | 14:30 |
| ScottK | I'd appreciate it if someone would review/accept clamav. Once that's in Maverick, I'm ready to upload it to lucid-updates ... | 14:39 |
| Riddell | "The following link will direct you to a download location near you" ... "Or, choose the mirror closest to you" why do we need the second if we have the first? | 14:51 |
| Riddell | ScottK: let me look | 14:51 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks. | 14:52 |
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| cjwatson | ScottK: done | 14:56 |
| cjwatson | oh, sorry, Riddell was in progress on it apparently, didn't notice | 14:56 |
| ScottK | Thanks both of you. | 14:56 |
| Riddell | too late by only seconds, no glory for me | 14:57 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: heh | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | as if the accepter is visible anywhere anyway ... | 15:03 |
| Riddell | ah, good morning skaet | 15:11 |
| skaet | good morning Riddell :0 | 15:11 |
| skaet | :) | 15:12 |
| seb128 | hey skaet | 15:12 |
| Riddell | skaet: release is mostly done, just needs you to update the beasties on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview | 15:12 |
| skaet | Riddell, cool. Need some of robbiew's input on some of the entries too. | 15:14 |
| Riddell | oh, tsk, when does he wake up? | 15:14 |
| ScottK | He's two hours east of skaet, so I guess whenever he feels like it. | 15:14 |
| skaet | Riddell, ScottK - actually robbiew and I are both in Austin. ;) | 15:15 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 15:15 |
| ScottK | That's right, I had you confused with the Oregon mob. | 15:15 |
| ScottK | Sorry | 15:16 |
| skaet | ScottK, no worries ;) | 15:16 |
| skaet | Riddell, haven't seen answers from newz2000 yet either in the inbox, about the paths | 15:17 |
| * elmo posts to OMGUbuntu that the 'release is [...] done', you heard it here first | 15:17 | |
| Riddell | skaet: he's on irc though | 15:17 |
| robbiew | what do you NEED from me? | 15:17 |
| robbiew | just a review of the TechnicalOverview | 15:17 |
| robbiew | ? | 15:17 |
| ara | skaet, I am pretty sure that bug 628290 is fixed in RC, and should be removed from the notes | 15:17 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 628290 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "OEM installation, missing "Prepare for shipping to end user" icon (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 167)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628290 | 15:17 |
| skaet | text for the bugs and known issues. | 15:18 |
| ara | many of the "Known issues" there are from Beta | 15:18 |
| skaet | robbiew, text for the bugs and known issues. | 15:18 |
| skaet | ara, if its good, then yes it should be removed. | 15:18 |
| ara | skaet, yes, but if that one is there, I think most should be checked :) | 15:19 |
| skaet | I just took the beta and then double checked the status on launchpad. | 15:19 |
| skaet | ara, :yup agree. that's what I put in the note to robbiew ;) | 15:19 |
| skaet | what needs tso be added today are the ones from the release target, and the one's we've found since beta and deferred. | 15:20 |
| robbiew | sorry...I can't do it right now...ara can you verify? | 15:20 |
| ara | robbiew, I'll have a look | 15:20 |
| robbiew | thnx | 15:20 |
| skaet | Riddell, newz200 is responding to us, can you doublecheck the paths on the announce part and update with any input from him. Asked him about a couple of the fixme paths at the same time, so we should hear from that. | 15:26 |
| skaet | ? | 15:26 |
| ara | skaet, I commented out two bugs that are fixed in RC. You can double check now | 15:26 |
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| skaet | ara, thanks! :) will do. | 15:27 |
| ara | I am going to review now the bugs found during RC testing, to see what's worth adding to the release notes | 15:27 |
| ara | seb128, didrocks, did you guys added this one to the release notes? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+bug/561734 | 15:28 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 561734 in mesa (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "quadrapassel doesn't start: Failed to initialise clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context (affects: 27) (dups: 7) (heat: 153)" [High,Fix committed] | 15:28 |
| didrocks | ara: I didn't | 15:29 |
| seb128 | ara, no, is one game really worth rc notes? | 15:29 |
| didrocks | ara: but yeah, impacted intel driver, can have been added to the release note | 15:29 |
| didrocks | and it's in the queue now, right? | 15:29 |
| seb128 | yes | 15:29 |
| ara | seb128, it is the only clutter application? | 15:29 |
| seb128 | yes | 15:29 |
| ara | OK, so if you think it is not worth it, that's fine | 15:30 |
| seb128 | I would not bother for one game especially when the fix is in the queue | 15:30 |
| ara | OK | 15:30 |
| seb128 | but if somebody want to add it I'm fine with it | 15:30 |
| seb128 | ara, but thanks for pointing it ;-) | 15:31 |
| seb128 | I would be interested to get feedback on whether the fix work for you when it gets in | 15:31 |
| doko | Riddell: why is sun-java6 in NEW? | 15:32 |
| ara | seb128, sure, let me know when it reaches the archive, and I will check the fix | 15:33 |
| seb128 | ara, I will, thanks | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | can someone please reject the desktopcouch upload in the queue? i just found a serious bug, there will be a new release asap | 15:34 |
| Riddell | doko: because Brian uploaded it? | 15:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, seems it got accepted already | 15:35 |
| doko | Riddell: no, I did | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | ok... so that puts more pressure on a new release :) | 15:35 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it was over an hour ago, how broken is it? | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | it will likely break all quickly apps | 15:36 |
| seb128 | will make didrocks happy | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 15:36 |
| cjwatson | better fix it soon then :) | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang is busting it out now :) | 15:36 |
| didrocks | oh nice :) | 15:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, see you though they could do anything else after breaking oneconf, they did :p | 15:36 |
| * didrocks loves more and more desktopcouh, breaking quickly apps and oneconf :) | 15:36 | |
| didrocks | seb128: hehe, right | 15:36 |
| didrocks | I think I either hate it or it hates me :) | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, the wrapper object created from get_records no longer contains a rows method | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | or any other for that matter | 15:37 |
| * CardinalFang is pale enough. Wearing this brown paper bag will not help. | 15:38 | |
| didrocks | hum, yeah, that's anoying | 15:38 |
| didrocks | annoying* | 15:38 |
| didrocks | CardinalFang: heh, don't be! | 15:38 |
| CardinalFang | I'm astonished this slipped through tests. | 15:39 |
| Riddell | doko: well that'll be why it's there then, packages which have been deleted then uploaded will go through New | 15:42 |
| doko | Riddell: why deleted? it's in lucid partner | 15:43 |
| Riddell | doko: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+publishinghistory says "Deleted on 2010-04-30 by Colin Watson | 15:43 |
| Riddell | remove partner packages copied over when initialising maverick; these should only be in lucid for now" | 15:43 |
| cjwatson | doko: the partner team instructed us to do this | 15:52 |
| doko | cjwatson: ahh, ok | 15:52 |
| cjwatson | they want to start partner afresh for every release | 15:52 |
| doko | brian didn't know about it | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | he asked for it | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | (we won't have to delete them manually in future; Soyuz has been changed to avoid copying them) | 15:53 |
| ara | skaet, from the bug list at iso.qa.ubuntu.com I don't see any supercritical worth mentioning (apart from those on the list) | 15:53 |
| skaet | ara, thanks for checking. :) | 15:54 |
| skaet | saw the bugs you commented out, we need to doublecheck launchpad is up to date on those, since they were not in "fixed released" state last night, which is why I left them in. | 15:55 |
| * robbiew is off the phone now...sorry :/ | 15:56 | |
| ara | skaet, both were bugs that were marked as duplicated of others | 15:56 |
| ara | skaet, the original ones are "Triaged" and "Won't Fix" (the ones in the release notes) but if you follow the links, the master bugs are Fixed released | 15:57 |
| ara | in versions contained in the cd | 15:57 |
| skaet | ara, thanks. it was a bit late. ;) | 15:57 |
| ara | :) | 15:58 |
| smoser | ok. cjwatson Riddell uec images are now public | 15:59 |
| newz2000 | cjwatson, Riddell: what is the difference between "release notes" and "technical overview?" | 16:01 |
| Riddell | I've never worked that out | 16:02 |
| newz2000 | that makes me feel so good | 16:02 |
| * newz2000 isn't the only one | 16:02 | |
| newz2000 | Riddell: I'm unconfirming the URLs I confirmed | 16:02 |
| robbiew | I thought the technical overview WAS the release notes | 16:02 |
| Riddell | ok | 16:02 |
| newz2000 | for release notes they will be http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010 the technical overview will live on the wiki | 16:03 |
| newz2000 | (wherever it is now) | 16:03 |
| ScottK | AIUI, technical overview is focused on stuff we meant to have happen, release notes is focused on stuff we didn't. | 16:04 |
| newz2000 | one of them (release notes I think) gets translated into many langs and is available from the installer, so it's the one we want to have on www.u.c (for performance reasons) | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | yes, we write the release notes separately | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | compare: | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | until quite close to the end of the cycle, the only release notes are embedded in TechnicalOverview, but for final release we split them out | 16:06 |
| newz2000 | Riddell: you can and should use that URL I gave you but it seems the content will live on the wiki | 16:13 |
| newz2000 | There is a mis-configuration in our CMS and I will have the vendor fix it by next week, so advertise http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010 | 16:14 |
| newz2000 | that will be the final URL | 16:14 |
| Riddell | vendor? ubuntu.com doesn't just use drupal or the like? | 16:15 |
| newz2000 | Riddell: yes, it's drupal but we've had some custom work done by a consultancy | 16:15 |
| ogasawara | Riddell: just fyi, I've updated the TechnicalOverview with the updated linux kernel bits | 16:19 |
| charlie-tca | Can't we do anythign about OMG! Ubuntu announcing these releases before they actually happen? | 16:23 |
| popey | I would recommend speaking to joey, not benjamin | 16:24 |
| jpds | And not linking to master mirrors; but local country ones, please. | 16:24 |
| charlie-tca | Someone really needs to | 16:25 |
| popey | this happens with every release, it's always _someone_ who messes up and posts public links to the iso images, you'd just expect omg to have slightly more clue | 16:28 |
| charlie-tca | That was my thought. People consider them to be an official website, not a blog | 16:30 |
| popey | people in "wrong" shocker | 16:30 |
| ScottK | popey: Maybe you'd expect that. | 16:30 |
| smoser | i'm going to step away right now for an hour or so. | 16:31 |
| ScottK | (the clue part) | 16:31 |
| charlie-tca | And to announce as early as they did... They really could wait at least until afternoon | 16:31 |
| smoser | the only thing left to do for UEC images is update the ami pages. which i can do when i return. | 16:31 |
| smoser | (if you've already released... its not a big time critical thing IMO) | 16:31 |
| popey | charlie-tca: joey is actually quite an outside to ubuntu, omg is very much someone looking in from outside. | 16:31 |
| popey | e.g. they adopted a CoC and didn't use the Ubuntu one because they thought they weren't allowed. | 16:31 |
| newz2000 | Where are the release notes currently? | 16:32 |
| charlie-tca | But some of the them are heavily involved in Ubuntu | 16:32 |
| skaet | thanks ogasawara | 16:32 |
| popey | charlie-tca: define heavily :) | 16:32 |
| ScottK | and involved | 16:32 |
| charlie-tca | maybe it is just the perception? | 16:33 |
| popey | I know they mean well, just trying to get the 'news' out there, and people lap it up. yes they mess up sometimes, but I don't think Joey ever posts anything with malice.. ben on the other hand.. | 16:33 |
| * charlie-tca hides again | 16:33 | |
| robbiew | newz2000: you mean this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview ? | 16:34 |
| newz2000 | robbiew: I don't think that's what I mean. :-) | 16:34 |
| * newz2000 subtly references previous conversation about diff between technical overview and release notes | 16:35 | |
| Riddell | newz2000: they're not separate for now | 16:36 |
| Riddell | only for the final one | 16:36 |
| newz2000 | oh, ok | 16:36 |
| Riddell | when I hope someone will actually be incharge of prepraring them | 16:36 |
| newz2000 | I need to set a redirect up so that when someone wants to view the release notes (linked from the homepage) they get sent somewhere | 16:36 |
| newz2000 | Somethign to replace this page: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta | 16:37 |
| skaet | Riddell, re: incharge of preparing them, yup - robbiew and I will decide that later today ;) | 16:41 |
| robbiew | newz2000: yeah..that's the same content from the Technical Overview | 16:43 |
| newz2000 | robbiew: ok, great, thanks | 16:43 |
| * robbiew is still editing it though | 16:45 | |
| newz2000 | robbiew: would you mind if I create a new heading above "Upgrading…" and make upgrading and downloading a sub-section? | 16:45 |
| newz2000 | or you could do it if you like | 16:45 |
| newz2000 | I'd like to get the call to action above the fold | 16:45 |
| newz2000 | It could say "Get Ubuntu 10.10" or similar | 16:46 |
| robbiew | newz2000: sure...I'm fine with it. I'll make the change. | 16:47 |
| newz2000 | great, thanks | 16:47 |
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| robbiew | newz2000: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview | 16:57 |
| robbiew | how's that look? | 16:57 |
| robbiew | (re: the Get Ubuntu 10.10) | 16:57 |
| robbiew | I'm out of the wiki, so feel free to modify as needed | 16:57 |
| GrueMaster | skaet: For the release notes: Upgrading beagle (armel omap) from lucid->maverick can run of of free space if USB drive is 4G or less. | 16:58 |
| robbiew | GrueMaster: ack..will add | 16:58 |
| robbiew | GrueMaster: "run OUT of", I assume | 16:59 |
| skaet | robbiew, ack | 16:59 |
| GrueMaster | robbiew: yea, that too. | 16:59 |
| robbiew | GrueMaster: is there a bug that I should mention as well? | 16:59 |
| * GrueMaster needs more caffeine infusion. | 17:00 | |
| newz2000 | robbiew: thanks a unch | 17:00 |
| GrueMaster | No bug. | 17:00 |
| robbiew | cool | 17:00 |
| GrueMaster | Not sure if it is one really. | 17:00 |
| newz2000 | unch = bunch or lunch or brunch depending on if you're hungry or not | 17:00 |
| robbiew | GrueMaster: sure...just making sure...added | 17:01 |
| GrueMaster | On a side note, with all the requests to clean up disk space, does lucid-desktop-[ia64|powerpc|powerpc+ps3].* belong in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/20100928/ with maverick images? Could free up a couple Gb. | 17:10 |
| Riddell | how curious | 17:12 |
| robbiew | newz2000: so will we have http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/rc ? | 17:16 |
| newz2000 | robbiew: no, not planned. There will be a link on testing page pointing to /getubuntu/releasenotes/1010 | 17:17 |
| robbiew | basically, what replaces http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta? | 17:17 |
| robbiew | newz2000: ok | 17:18 |
| cjwatson | GrueMaster: no, it doesn't. will remove | 17:19 |
| cjwatson | previous images get carried over, and this sometimes means that images from the previous release get mistakenly carried over - long-standing minor bug | 17:20 |
| GrueMaster | oops. :P | 17:20 |
| cjwatson | I've checked and it only affects that one tree | 17:20 |
| cjwatson | nuked | 17:21 |
| smoser | ok. so i've not seen any release info, and i'm back now. so i can do the ami pages. | 17:23 |
| slangasek | ScottK: I see kdebase-workspace is gone from the queue, I guess that was accepted rather than rejected? | 17:24 |
| ScottK | slangasek: It was, but I'd still appreciate it if you'd look at the change. | 17:25 |
| ScottK | (I didn't accept it and I'm not sure if whoever did was completely upstartified) | 17:25 |
| robbiew | newz2000: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview is good to go | 17:26 |
| Riddell | robbiew: I'm off out, I take it you'll send out the announce when the ubuntu.com pages are done? | 17:26 |
| newz2000 | robbiew: ok, any word on when we're ready to "release" | 17:26 |
| robbiew | Riddell: aye..thank you sir! | 17:26 |
| slangasek | ScottK: looks good to me - exactly the fix expected based on our experience with gdm | 17:27 |
| cjwatson | ScottK,slangasek: I accepted it, it seemed to match the gdm change and there was extensive discussion on the bug | 17:27 |
| cjwatson | which looked broadly correct | 17:27 |
| ScottK | cjwatson and slangasek; Thanks. | 17:27 |
| * Riddell updates .htaccess and HEADER.html files | 17:27 | |
| robbiew | newz2000: just need a few more minutes to update the mirror links in the announcement...to point to /rc | 17:28 |
| newz2000 | cool | 17:28 |
| robbiew | newz2000: done with release announcement...skaet anything else need to be done? | 17:37 |
| skaet | robbiew, release notes are good. can I have one more pass on the announce? | 17:38 |
| robbiew | skaet: sure thing | 17:38 |
| newz2000 | robbiew: if we make the first link point to www.ubuntu.com/testing/download it will bounce them to a mirror near them using geoip | 17:39 |
| robbiew | newz2000: which first link? :) | 17:40 |
| newz2000 | robbiew: first download link | 17:40 |
| * newz2000 thinks robbiew needs to work on his mind-reading skills ;-) | 17:40 | |
| robbiew | yep...http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/download (Ubuntu Desktop, Server, and Netbook) is there | 17:40 |
| robbiew | maybe I should mention that it bounces to a mirror near them using geoup | 17:41 |
| robbiew | geoip | 17:41 |
| jpds | "Or, download Ubuntu 10.10 RC; The following link will direct you to a download location near you:" | 17:41 |
| newz2000 | robbiew: sorry, I meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview | 17:42 |
| * newz2000 likes jpds wording better than geoip | 17:42 | |
| robbiew | yeah..yeah..I wasn't going to actually say "geoip" ;) | 17:42 |
| robbiew | newz2000: adding now | 17:43 |
| newz2000 | Do you guys get a moment of dread just before you release this out into the world? | 17:44 |
| * newz2000 always has violent butterflies in his stomach | 17:44 | |
| robbiew | heh...yeah | 17:45 |
| robbiew | jpds: I assume you are correcting? | 17:45 |
| * robbiew didn't want to step on your wiki edit ;) | 17:45 | |
| jpds | robbiew: All yours now. | 17:45 |
| robbiew | newz2000: I'm out of the wiki..TechnicalOverview is good to go | 18:00 |
| newz2000 | robbiew: are the mirrors ready, should we launch the website? | 18:00 |
| robbiew | skaet:^ | 18:02 |
| robbiew | I think some were still lagging | 18:02 |
| * robbiew goes to check again | 18:02 | |
| skaet | when I was checking, some were pointing to beta about minutes ago. | 18:03 |
| skaet | double check them is good idea. | 18:03 |
| robbiew | http://ubuntu.saix.net/ubuntu-releases/10.10/ still pointing to beta | 18:04 |
| skaet | announce still needs a bit more tweaking, but website can start I think. | 18:04 |
| skaet | without waiting for it, once we know the mirrors are good. | 18:04 |
| skaet | ;) | 18:04 |
| robbiew | http://mirrors.sohu.com/ubuntu-releases/10.10/ http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/ubuntu-iso/CDs/10.10/ http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/ubuntu-cd/10.10/ http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/ubuntu-cd/10.10/ all beta | 18:05 |
| smoser | does anyone mind if I update the AMI pages now ? I am about to fall over, and need to step away. | 18:07 |
| robbiew | http://ubuntu.mirrors.proxad.net/10.10/ http://ubuntu.mirrors.proxad.net/10.10/ http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/10.10/ also beta | 18:08 |
| robbiew | smoser: go ahead | 18:08 |
| smoser | thank you. | 18:08 |
| robbiew | newz2000: so both http://cesium.di.uminho.pt/pub/ubuntu/10.10 and http://mirror.linux.org.au/ubuntu-releases/10.10 don't work | 18:09 |
| robbiew | :/ | 18:09 |
| newz2000 | robbiew: did you get those from www.ubuntu.com/testing/download ? | 18:09 |
| robbiew | no...from the TO...they were already there | 18:10 |
| * robbiew hates this listing of the mirrors | 18:10 | |
| newz2000 | robbiew: ditch it | 18:10 |
| newz2000 | just use testing/download | 18:10 |
| robbiew | newz2000: aye...btw, I meant the ReleaseAnnouncement...TO is fine | 18:11 |
| robbiew | skaet ^^^^ | 18:11 |
| robbiew | since you are still in the announcement | 18:11 |
| robbiew | maybe we should just leave the mirrors out | 18:11 |
| robbiew | and let the link do it's job | 18:11 |
| newz2000 | more choices is not more good | 18:12 |
| robbiew | right | 18:12 |
| skaet | robbiew, yeah, I tend to agree at this point. | 18:12 |
| newz2000 | disclaimer: during the first hour it can be hit and miss | 18:12 |
| smoser | ami pages updated. uec images are "done". http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/rc/ | 18:13 |
| skaet | robbiew, newz2000 so, should I just strike out section "Or, choose the mirror closest to you:" ? | 18:14 |
| ScottK | It's Gnome, of course more choices aren't good. | 18:14 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 18:14 |
| robbiew | yes | 18:14 |
| newz2000 | skaet: imho, yes | 18:14 |
| robbiew | ScottK: hush...lol | 18:14 |
| skaet | robbiew, newz2000 doing it now. | 18:14 |
| robbiew | smoser: ack, thnx | 18:14 |
| skaet | bit torrent comment at the end - goes too? | 18:17 |
| robbiew | yeah | 18:17 |
| robbiew | skaet: oh..wait, I thought you meant something else...that can stay | 18:19 |
| robbiew | sorry | 18:19 |
| robbiew | "Please download using Bittorrent if possible." seems fine to me | 18:19 |
| skaet | heh, no worries. will just put it back. | 18:19 |
| robbiew | newz2000: go ahead and flip the website | 18:21 |
| newz2000 | \o/ | 18:22 |
| skaet | robbiew, am out. do one more quick scan, and pronounce the blessing (if appropriate) | 18:23 |
| robbiew | newz2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLFYx6xlhB0 | 18:23 |
| robbiew | skaet: aye | 18:23 |
| newz2000 | this is it | 18:24 |
| skaet | it is what it is... | 18:24 |
| newz2000 | oops, should have watched the whole thing | 18:24 |
| newz2000 | ok, it's live | 18:25 |
| * skaet \o/ | 18:25 | |
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| stgraber | newz2000: is the redirection to wiki.ubuntu.com the wanted behaviour when you click on that RC banner ? | 18:30 |
| newz2000 | stgraber: yes, for now | 18:30 |
| * robbiew sends out the announcement | 18:44 | |
| marjo__ | robbiew: thx | 18:45 |
| GrueMaster | Is there an actual image for kubuntu-netbook on armel? I see kubuntu-mobile (which really looks cool btw) and Kubuntu-preinstalled-desktop, but not netbook. | 19:01 |
| ScottK | GrueMaster: No separate netbook image anymore. It's part of desktop now. | 19:01 |
| ScottK | GrueMaster: If your display is less than 700 pixels high, you have a battery, and no CD drive, you get netbook on first run (and there's a kcm for easy switching). | 19:02 |
| GrueMaster | Ok, so http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4597 should be kubuntu-desktop? | 19:02 |
| ScottK | Looking | 19:02 |
| ScottK | GrueMaster: Yes. | 19:03 |
| ScottK | stgraber: Can you fix ^^^ | 19:03 |
| GrueMaster | Let me know when it is fixed and I will fill in the appropriate info. | 19:03 |
| GrueMaster | And kubuntu-mobile is not part of the release testing, right? Looks cool so far, but also has a ways to go. | 19:04 |
| ScottK | GrueMaster: It's a tech preview, so doesn't need any official testing, but if you get a chance to look at it, it would be appreciated. | 19:05 |
| GrueMaster | Have it running now, hence the comments. | 19:05 |
| GrueMaster | On omap4 btw. | 19:06 |
| ScottK | Cool. | 19:06 |
| ScottK | Actually there may have been a test case for mobile. | 19:06 |
| ScottK | Interesting. Just i386. | 19:07 |
| ScottK | GrueMaster: You might report a result for the i386 kubuntu-mobile test and mention in comments what you're actually testing on, so we have a record. | 19:08 |
| GrueMaster | Someone should probably review the testcases prior to next week release testing. I see imx51 on the list for netboot and it is not supported. | 19:08 |
| GrueMaster | Ok. Or I could just add an omap4 test and report there. For the most part, it has the same issues as all the other images (sound mainly). | 19:09 |
| ScottK | Right. | 19:09 |
| ScottK | However you think best. | 19:09 |
| GrueMaster | prefer to keep arch results separate. And I am seeing an issue on omap, but I am reflashing and will retry. Missing perl lib. | 19:10 |
| newz2000 | robbiew: I like your release announcement, it's great, but it leaves me with one lingering question... | 19:18 |
| newz2000 | Is it web scale? | 19:18 |
| robbiew | huh? you mean the <<BR>> cruft? | 19:18 |
| newz2000 | no, Ubuntu. Is it web scale? | 19:18 |
| newz2000 | (sorry, obscure reference to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs ) | 19:19 |
| robbiew | ah | 19:20 |
| robbiew | lol | 19:20 |
| robbiew | newz2000: gotcha | 19:20 |
| * nigelb hugs robbiew | 19:22 | |
| robbiew | nigelb: :) | 19:23 |
| nigelb | That was like *awesome* mail about RC. Love the THGTTG reference :) | 19:23 |
| nigelb | You should copy and paste less often :p | 19:23 |
| nigelb | The originals are more aweome | 19:24 |
| robbiew | nigelb: heh...tell me about it...kept the damn <<BR>> cut and pastes at the bottom so folks know I sent the announcement :/ | 19:24 |
| nigelb | haha | 19:25 |
| \sh | newz2000: put a copy on another server...youtube says, there is content of comcast in it...krauts are not able to watch it ;) | 19:52 |
| newz2000 | \sh: I didn't make that unfortunately, it was one of those viral videos going around a few weeks ago | 19:53 |
| newz2000 | I'm really surprised it was blocked, it's got some bad language but otherwise no music or photos or anything that might upset someone | 19:53 |
| newz2000 | \sh: just google for "mongodb web scale" and I'm sure you'll find a copy | 19:54 |
| ScottK | robbiew: I just accepted ubuntu-artwork, so the font change is in. | 20:20 |
| robbiew | ScottK: thnx...heh...but I think kenvandine needs to resubmit with a change to the font size | 20:21 |
| ScottK | robbiew: It was 10 point in what I accepted. Is that wrong? | 20:21 |
| kenvandine | ScottK, we are just discussing that now | 20:21 |
| ScottK | OK. | 20:22 |
| kenvandine | i think it will get bumped to 10.5 or 11 | 20:22 |
| kenvandine | ubuntu is a little smaller than sans | 20:22 |
| ScottK | OK. In general if there's stuff in the queue that shouldn't be processed, it's worth a mention. | 20:22 |
| kenvandine | ScottK, yeah... this just came up :) | 20:22 |
| kenvandine | sorry | 20:22 |
| Riddell | announce not gone out yet? | 20:28 |
| ScottK | Yes | 20:30 |
| kenvandine | ScottK, i just uploaded a new ubuntu-artwork changing it to 11, sorry for the repeat work | 20:31 |
| skaet | Riddell, robbiew sent out about an hour ago on ubuntu-devel-announce, and ubuntu-announce. | 20:32 |
| robbiew | and the releases blog...and on LP :) | 20:34 |
| ScottK | kenvandine: No problem. I'll look at it in a moment. | 20:34 |
| kenvandine | ScottK, thx | 20:35 |
| ScottK | Don't see it in unapproved yet. | 20:35 |
| kenvandine | ScottK, a little lag there i guess... | 20:37 |
| ScottK | Yep. It arrived. Now I'm waiting for the diff. | 20:38 |
| ScottK | Also Riddell's liblastfm upload was 12 seconds ahead of yours, so you'll need to get in line ... | 20:38 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 20:39 |
| ScottK | kenvandine and robbiew: Accepted. | 20:40 |
| ScottK | That should make the same publisher run as the first one, so no one will actually get the one with the wrong size. | 20:41 |
| robbiew | ScottK: thnx | 20:41 |
| kenvandine | ScottK, thx! | 20:42 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 20:42 |
| robbiew | skaet: FYI -> 630748 | 22:35 |
| robbiew | bah | 22:35 |
| robbiew | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/630748 | 22:35 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 630748 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "iwlagn degrades quickly during normal wifi session (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed] | 22:35 |
| skaet | robbiew, yeah I came in part way through the thread on ubuntu-kernel. | 22:36 |
| robbiew | chatting in #ubuntu-kernel about it...fix isn't out, but a suitable workaround is available | 22:36 |
| robbiew | cool | 22:36 |
| skaet | am adding it to the agenda. | 22:36 |
| robbiew | skaet: added to ubuntu-release-notes also | 22:36 |
| skaet | right now as well, so it keeps on the radar. | 22:36 |
| robbiew | ack | 22:36 |
| skaet | yup, saw thatand was tempted to send you a big :D | 22:37 |
| ScottK | We need to figure out a different name for our "Release Candidate" milestone because what we are producing is not (and never has been) what most people thing the term release candidate means. | 22:37 |
| robbiew | how so? we don't change much between the RC and release | 22:38 |
| doko | robbiew: we don't have a 4.4.5 final GCC release, so maybe it's better to talk about 4.4.4, or you'll see the 4.4.5 final gcc in the unapproved queue tomorrow ... | 22:38 |
| robbiew | ~$ gcc --version | 22:39 |
| robbiew | gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-14ubuntu5) 4.4.5 | 22:39 |
| doko | don't say that I won't deliver what the release notes say ... | 22:39 |
| robbiew | well THAT is a but misleading, imo | 22:39 |
| doko | it is, it's a merge error, but I didn't want to change that again. the kernel folk are a bit jumpy about it | 22:40 |
| robbiew | well hell...I guess it's your fault ;) | 22:40 |
| robbiew | I'll make the change back for the final release | 22:40 |
| doko | thanks | 22:42 |
| ScottK | robbiew: I generally think of a RC as "The thing we'll release unless something comes up". | 22:42 |
| ScottK | I don't think Ubuntu RCs have ever been anywhere near that. | 22:43 |
| doko | otoh, the package is much closer to 4.4.5 than 4.4.4 | 22:43 |
| robbiew | doko: shut up | 22:43 |
| robbiew | lol | 22:43 |
| ScottK | Uploading a new Gnome version between RC and final isn't particularly RCish. | 22:43 |
| robbiew | ScottK: agree with that | 22:43 |
| seb128 | we didn't do that | 22:44 |
| seb128 | we uploaded a few tarballs with translation updates only | 22:44 |
| ScottK | Ah, OK. | 22:44 |
| seb128 | we got most of the new GNOME in on monday before RC | 22:44 |
| ScottK | I just saw a lot of Gnome stuff with new version numbers. | 22:44 |
| ScottK | That's not so bad then. | 22:44 |
| seb128 | right .92 to .0 | 22:44 |
| robbiew | ;) | 22:44 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 22:44 |
| seb128 | GNOME is code frozen between those | 22:44 |
| ScottK | OK. | 22:44 |
| robbiew | ScottK: yeah....I agree that the RC should be the RC (so to speak) | 22:45 |
| seb128 | so it's bug fixes which deservers a freeze exception and translation updates | 22:45 |
| Riddell | I agree to the gnome updates since I think if I was an upstream I'd want the .0 version shipped so I'd be confident when people report bugs that it's the same version released | 22:45 |
| seb128 | but yeah, we got bitten by the timing due to 10.10.10 | 22:45 |
| robbiew | I wonder who decided that? | 22:45 |
| robbiew | heh | 22:45 |
| ScottK | robbiew: This was going to be the cycle where we stuck to the milestones .... | 22:45 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 22:45 |
| robbiew | it was? I thought it was the cycle we did everything cowboy-ish because it was Maverick | 22:46 |
| robbiew | :D | 22:46 |
| robbiew | I'm telling you...just remember the 3 sentences of life...and it will all be OKAY | 22:47 |
| robbiew | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLFYx6xlhB0 | 22:47 |
| ogra | ScottK, sorry, i wasnt clear in the bug, devmem2 is a hard dep of the omap GL drivers packages | 22:48 |
| * ogra adds that to the bug | 22:48 | |
| ogra | oh, ricardo did already | 22:48 |
| ScottK | ogra: OK. In that case if you can find an archive admin with time to review, I think it's fine. | 22:48 |
| ogra | i'll try, thanks (it will help plasma on omap massively) | 22:49 |
| === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] | ||
| * \sh has a dream...ogra and something kde related.. | 23:52 | |
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