Riddellslangasek: should I be pre-publishing images now?00:01
slangasekRiddell: if you have good images, then yes :)00:06
Riddellslangasek: so I do  for-project .. publish-release .. poolonly to pre publish?  then what do I do tomorrow to publish them?00:13
Riddellcharlie-tca: ok to publish xubuntu images?00:23
Riddellstgraber: ok to publish edubuntu images?00:23
stgraberRiddell: yep00:24
* robbiew probably should work on a release announcement, huh?00:25
Riddellrobbiew: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RCAnnouncement would be a start00:26
robbiewyeah...I think skaet started it already00:26
RiddellI started that00:27
robbiewoh...Riddell did00:27
Riddellwhere's rick to sign off on ubuntu images?00:27
robbiewwill need to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview as well00:27
Riddellyes indeed00:28
Riddelljiboumans: ok to publish ubuntu server images?00:29
robbiewRiddell: I don't believe they need to sign off on the images00:31
robbiewthey = rick and jos00:31
robbiewif the ISOs cleared the isoqa process, then they are good to go00:32
RiddellI'm going by https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest, there's a few failures on ISO tracker so I wouldn't say that counts as cleared00:34
Riddelle.g. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4564 has two failures on live session and one on wubi00:35
robbiewRiddell: well you might not get a response from either today :/00:41
slangasekRiddell: tomorrow you run publish-release again with 'yes' instead of 'poolonly'00:42
Riddellslangasek: for each of the classes of image?00:43
slangasekfor all images that belong on releases.u.c00:43
slangasekand you'll want to make sure you stow the beta images away in ../old-images/ before you start publishing with 'yes', otherwise bits go awol00:44
Riddellslangasek: is that just done by hand?00:46
slangaseksadly, yes00:46
Laney30/09 00:51:16 <sarah_pearce16> shes gonna het off with some fitty then00:52
Laney>> (30/09 00:51:18) (Laney[+Ris]) (39:sarah_pearce16)00:52
Laney>> (1=1 |#crumbs    2=2 |#php       3=3 |#short.bus 4=4 |#haskell   5=5 |#toast~ers 6=6 |#debian-uk 7=7 |#relax     8=8 |#deb~n-cli 9=9 |#agda00:52
Laney>> (0=10|#ubu~lease q=11|#ubu~-motu w=12|#ubu~devel e=13|#ubuntu-uk r=14|#epigram   t=15|&bitlbee   y=16|#ubunt~ing u=17|#debian    i=18|#debi~evel00:52
Laneymultitouch + x clipboard = bad combination00:52
ajmitchLaney: it's an entertaining combination though00:55
LaneyI accidently paste things so often, it's pretty shameful really00:56
Riddellslangasek: for publishing on cdimages I use "named" in the command?00:57
slangasekRiddell: correct00:57
Riddellslangasek: what happens if I use "no"?00:57
slangasekRiddell: then you get images published with naming in the style of alphas (i.e., without the release version in the filename)00:58
Riddellok, not what I want then00:59
Riddellslangasek: what do I have to do to publish wubi (if anything)?01:00
slangasekRiddell: that's not part of the RC checklist, is it?  I don't know that we "release" wubi until the end01:02
slangasekRiddell: but the process is to grab the URL returned by 'find-live-filesystem i386 wubi' and wget that into the release dir01:02
slangasek(and call it 'wubi.exe', or something else sensible)01:03
RiddellI'd have thought RC was ment to follow the final release as closely as possible, isn't it ment to be a practice run?01:03
slangasekthat's not how I understand it01:05
slangasekthere's lots of other stuff happening on release day that we don't go through for the RC - the RC is really just a last test of the archive+images before the point of no return01:05
persiaIt's also an extra good excuse to make developers get their heads out of random code and remember that a release is happening, and they have to fix that niggling bug *NOW*01:06
ScottLRiddell, were you asking about ubuntu studio publication?01:19
ScottLi think we should be good :)01:19
RiddellScottL: I was01:19
ScottLRiddell, is there anything specifically you needed?01:20
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest says I need LuisdeBethencourt to sign off, but if you can prove you're also responsible for it that's good01:20
ScottLRiddell, i do not think you will get his sign off ;)  i am current project lead however, you can validate that with persia and themuso if necessary01:21
* persia hunts up the email to ubuntu-release01:22
persiaOh, u-d-a actually: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-September/000766.html01:22
Riddellpersia: do you trust this guy?  or is he just a one bit shift plageriser of ScottK? :)01:22
persiaScottL, You should probably update the wiki01:22
persiaRiddell, I trust ScottL01:23
ScottLpersia, i shall update the wiki later tonight (kids are acting up)01:23
ScottKActually someone other than ScottL should update the wiki.01:23
persia(and yes, nick-completion gets useless at that level of similarity)01:23
persiaScottK, Who ought it be?01:23
RiddellI can update the wiki01:23
ScottLerr. Outstanding ;)01:23
ScottKpersia: I don't think people should be self-appointed to the release manifest.01:23
persiaScottK, We probably ought formalise that then, as we've historically mostly self-appointed release manifest entries when we added them.01:24
persiaI agree with your point, but it needs documentation, review by appropriate teams (ubuntu-release?  TB?), announcement, etc.01:25
ScottKpersia: I don't know that it has to be a formal rule, just a best practice.01:25
persiaThat's easier to implement :)01:25
ScottKpersia: The release delegations are different than ISO signoff in any case.01:26
ScottK(re your earlier comment)01:26
persiaAh, that's my failure in not being familiar enough with the release approval process then.01:27
persia(both in referencing that, and in not ensuring that ScottL was listed there previously)01:28
ScottKWe'll survive.01:28
Riddellslangasek: the .pool directories look good, I presume I use sync-mirrors to push them out?01:30
slangasekRiddell: yep01:31
* Riddell snoozes01:54
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skaetRiddell,  around?06:10
persiaskaet, he claimed to be snoozing about 270 minutes ago: he's probably still doing so :)06:42
skaetheh, spotted that, but he wasn't marked away, so figured I'd check.  :)06:43
* skaet figures its time for her to go sleep too, it can wait until the morning. 06:44
persiaWon't hurt to leave a contentful ping, and check your backscroll in the morning... :)06:44
persia(plus someone else might have the data you seek)06:45
skaetThanks persia,   I sent a long email a while ago now,  mostly its just trying to sort out who'll do what tomorrow between him, Robbie and myself ;)  The TechnicalOverview needs some love on its release notes for the known issues.06:58
persiaGIven your timezone, I suspect you'll end up with whatever isn't already done when you get up :)07:00
skaetlol, yup.07:00
aragood morning all!08:14
Riddellcharlie-tca: ping, xubuntu sign off needed08:34
Riddelljiboumans: ping, server sign off needed08:35
didrocksweird weechat doesn't save anymore channels on close…08:36
Riddellwell it's only wee, next time try mucklechat :)08:41
mvocould someone please reject my foomatic-gui upload? it appears that needs a bit of clarification with till first09:25
seb128mvo, done09:27
mvothanks seb12809:36
Riddellogasawara: please check kernel info on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview09:45
araRiddell, pointing to the kubuntu wiki, uh? :)09:52
araRiddell, in known bugs thare are some from last milestone09:53
Riddellara: I think didrocks is making some edits, please coordinate with him to get them updated09:53
didrockswill release the lock shortly09:54
araRiddell, shouldn't be skaet doing that? or the one acting as RM09:54
arawho is in charge?09:54
Riddellyes skaet said she could do it too09:55
didrocksdone for me09:56
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dokoplease accept lash, if possible11:36
persiaIt's in the Studio set.11:36
dokoahh, ok11:37
persiadoko, Generally https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= will show if stuff is in a set (use queue_text if the list is too long)11:43
cjwatsonRiddell: mountall 2.19 is serious for cloud, nice-to-have for everything else11:55
Riddellgood, thanks11:56
cjwatsonRiddell: do you know about publish-image-set.py in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools?11:56
cjwatsonRiddell: it doesn't run them for you, but it saves having to come up with all the publish-release commands by hand11:57
Riddellcjwatson: I did not11:57
cjwatsonpitti wrote it for alpha-3 or so, and I polished it a bit for beta; it's not quite there yet but it's a heck of a lot easier than byhand11:58
cjwatsonhah, bet it doesn't know about "RC" mind you ...11:58
* cjwatson goes to fix it11:58
Riddelldoesn't look like it11:59
Riddellis this a bad sign "Making armel+omap zsync metafile ... too long between blocks (try a smaller block size with -b)"12:02
Riddellok images all in place except those omap ones which zsync breaks on12:10
Riddellcjwatson: any idea what that's about?12:10
Riddellnow we just need sign off from server, the ubuntu website people to do whatever the ubuntu website people need to do, publish, announce12:11
Riddellbeasties still need updated on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview12:13
Riddellogasawara needs to update linux version numbers too12:13
cjwatsonuh, I vaguely remember having to do some weird stupid thing with zsync12:13
Riddellcuriously the kubuntu omap images published fine12:14
cjwatsonlet me poke about a bit before I answer12:14
Riddellbut ubuntu-netbook and kubuntu-mobile broke12:15
cjwatsonwhich exact command?12:15
cjwatsonactually never mind, I'll just see if I can make it cope in general12:18
RiddellARCHES='armel+omap armel+omap4' for-project ubuntu-netbook publish-release ports/daily-preinstalled 20100929 preinstalled-netbook named rc #FAILED12:19
cjwatsontry it again now12:21
* Riddell tries12:22
Riddell"too long between blocks (try a smaller block size with -b) Trying again with block size 2048 ..."  clever :)12:23
cjwatsonstill a zsyncmake bug, but there you go12:23
ScottKslangasek: I'd appreciate it if you would have a look at the kdebase-workspace upload in queue (it's a one line change to it's upstart script).  The rationale sounds reasonable and the code does what the rationale says, but i have no idea if it's the right idea.12:27
smoserRiddell, publish of ec2/uec images is done from nectarine.canonical.com12:37
smosercjwatson also has acl12:37
smoserdocumented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Publishing12:37
Riddellwell I don't seem to have access to nectarine12:43
Riddellcjwatson: can you publish the UEC images?12:43
cjwatsonwhat build id?12:45
smoserare we ready to push go ?12:48
smoserif so i can do it12:48
smoseror we can let cjwatson12:48
smoseralso for uec images i have to update AMI pages on amazon, which i can/will do12:49
cjwatsonI probably ought to learn how to do it12:49
smoserwell, i'm kind of here. if you fall over.12:50
smoseri've already pre-published that image. i dont think you've ever been shared aws login info to do "Updating Amazon Pages"12:51
cjwatsonso I run 'sudo -u vmbuilder /home/vmbuilder/bin/cronrun promote-daily rc /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4', yes?12:51
cjwatsonI'm probably best off not trying to do the amazon update12:51
cjwatsonoh, I add --make-public?12:52
cjwatsonso 'sudo -u vmbuilder /home/vmbuilder/bin/cronrun promote-daily --make-public rc /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4'?12:52
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cjwatson(awaiting ack before pressing enter)12:53
smoservbcron promote-daily release /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4/ --verbose --make-public12:56
smoseroh. and vbcron is just sudo -u vmbuilder (in ~vmbuilder/bin)12:56
smoserso yeah.12:56
smoserhit enter12:56
cjwatsonyou had 'release' not 'rc'?12:58
smoseroh carp12:58
smoseri did.12:59
smoserwe need to run with 'rc'12:59
cjwatsondoes it require any kind of cleanup of the previous publication?12:59
smoseri'll handle that. its all public13:00
smosererr... private13:00
nhandlerLooks like Omg Ubuntu! has already announced the RC13:00
cjwatsonshould I let you do this at this point? :)13:00
smoseryes. i'm sorry. i can't believe i did that.13:01
ajmitchnhandler: someone has to jump the gun :)13:01
wgrantSlashdot always announces the release several hours early.13:01
smoserok. cjwatson i just started: vbcron promote-daily --make-public rc /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4 --allow-existing --verbose13:02
* cjwatson nods and logs out :)13:02
smoserit will take like 3 hours :-(13:03
smoserat least the last one did.13:03
smoserand worse, its largely network bandwidth bottlenecked13:05
elmosmoser: who's bandwidth?13:05
smoseroutbound from canonical13:06
smoserwell canonical -> aws13:06
smoserobviously its not saturated, but i don tthink that a release grab is going to help it.13:07
elmosmoser: if this is nectarine, you're on a link that's essentially unaffected by RC or anything else13:09
smoseroh. it is nectarine.13:09
ttxRiddell: I'm ok with RC13:09
* cjwatson leaves a comment on behalf of the release team on the omgubuntu page13:09
Riddellttx: thank, I'll publish those then13:10
cjwatsonI don't imagine slashdot will ever change their spots but at least omgubuntu could do better13:10
ttxI'm having problems with that conference connection13:10
ttxsmoser/Daviey: you can confirm for me13:11
RiddellI don't see it on slashdot13:11
smoserttx, ?13:11
ttxsmoser: that RC is "ready to ship" for you13:12
Davieyttx: confirm?13:13
smoserwell, no.13:13
smoserit was ok.13:13
smoserbut we're a couple hours away now.13:13
smoseras i fat-fingered the pre-publish yesterday13:14
Riddellsmoser: for the normal server images, not cloud13:14
ttxsmoser/Daviey: Riddell has been asking me if I could signoff for RC13:15
ttxsmoser/Davieyyou know ths situation better than I do13:15
ttxand that flaky connection can go down any time13:15
Davieyttx: Yes.. it's looking good.13:15
Davieyttx: Nothing major has arisen with the pre-rc tests13:16
cjwatsonin mdz style I am slightly spooked by the lack of need for last-minute respins13:16
ttxcjwatson: that's because you rock :)13:17
ttxsmoser/Daviey: great13:17
Riddellwow, those omgubuntu people are cheeky13:19
smoserok. i have to get away from the machine for a bit.  the publish will be done when it is done.13:19
Riddell"perhaps you should work _with_ us" it's not like we're hard to find if they want to ask13:19
smoserand it will update: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/query/released.latest.txt13:20
ScottKRiddell: After they published a screed about how awful Ubuntu devs were, I decided I wasn't interested in them anymore.13:20
DavieyMaverick is looking better that i expected :)13:21
Riddelldidrocks: gnome version numbers still don't match https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RCAnnouncement13:21
smoserso anyone interested can just : while sleep 10m ; do wget http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/query/released.latest.txt | grep "maverick.*rc" && mpg321 NarwhalsNarwhals.mp3; done13:21
ScottKLow expectations will do that for you.13:21
didrocksRiddell: sorry, should have forget to save the edit, fixed.13:24
Riddellso now we need skaet or someone to update the bugs on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview, ogasawara to fill in her version for the linux bit, newz to copy it over to the ubuntu website13:25
ttxRiddell: if you don't need me anymore, I'll disappear again13:27
Riddellttx: thanks, you can go13:27
ttxRiddell: thank you for a smooth milestone release !13:28
Riddelland they're all on the wrong side of the planet so I guess we have to wait13:28
Riddellor I could just assume the announcement is ok, ignore the ubuntu website and announce13:34
Riddellthat's what I would do if I was an omgubuntu editor :)13:34
ograwhere is the known issues page template ?13:35
* ogra wants to check that all notes made it from the bugs to that page13:36
ograRiddell, ? ^^^13:37
Riddellogra: bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview13:39
* ogra cross checks13:39
ogracan i edit there ?13:40
ograits all blue !13:40
ScottKYou can.  We allow it.13:42
ScottKRiddell: Can I start reviewing/accepting seeded packages from the queue?13:44
ScottK(normally once we're into publishing that's OK)13:44
* ogra would edit if he could log in ... seems to be some heavy load on the wiki atm13:45
RiddellScottK: aye go for it13:49
ScottKOK.  Thanks.  I'll work doko's NBS stuff.13:49
cjwatsonBenjamin Humphrey got in touch with me by /msg as requested, but when I replied eight minutes later he'd already /quit ...13:50
* cjwatson sighs13:50
ScottKlamont: Why are all the i386 buildd's on manual?13:54
ScottKIs there an estimated time they'll be back?13:55
wgrantYou'd think that news sites could, you know, check the website.14:03
araskaet, hello, are you around?14:03
ScottKwgrant: That's not a recipe for being first.  You have to have proper priorities.14:04
Riddellara: skaet seems to still be asleep14:09
RiddellI've announced on kubuntu.org but the ubuntu e-mail announce will probably need to wait for her14:09
araRiddell, but there are some bugs on the release notes that are already fixed14:10
Riddellara: yes that's what I'm waiting to be updated14:10
araRiddell, i.e. bug 62868114:11
ubot4Launchpad bug 628681 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Kubuntu OEM did not install oem-config-kde (dup-of: 628290)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62868114:11
ubot4Launchpad bug 628290 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "OEM installation, missing "Prepare for shipping to end user" icon (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 167)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62829014:11
araRiddell, OK, no worries, I'll talk to her when she's around :)14:11
ScottKRiddell: We're going to have trouble moving these post-RC builds through with no i386 builders.  Perhaps you could have a poke at IS and find out what's up and when we can expect to have them back?14:17
ograScottK, i'm happy to share the arm ones (though we would have to delay the release i guess ;) )14:18
cjwatsonI can chase it14:18
ScottKHeh. Probably.14:19
elmoScottK: that was Ng14:19
ScottKcjwatson: Thanks.14:19
elmohe's doing the bootstrap14:19
elmothat you guys asked for - he should only be a couple  more minutes he says14:19
ScottKcjwatson: ^^^ mystery resolved.14:19
cjwatsonah, normally bootstraps don't require taking all the buildds down for more than a few moments14:19
cjwatsonthe procedure I remember is "stop buildds, get nominated buildd to accept package you want, re-enable them all"?14:20
elmocjwatson: essentially, yes14:20
lamontcjwatson: yep.  and wait for it to fetch and at least start unpacking the buildd14:20
cjwatsonOOo is needed, but will take a while :-/14:20
cjwatson(fix uninstallables on armel)14:21
Ngcjwatson: sorry yeah it's taking me a bit longer than it should14:21
Ngok they're back on auto now, sorry about that14:24
wgrantNg: Is the build in question tiles?14:27
wgrantIt bounced onto vernadsky a minute or two ago.14:28
wgrantWas that intentional?14:28
Ngno, it seems to be unhappy14:28
ScottKThreaten to build it -j 16 on armel if it doesn't behave.14:29
elmoScottK: you joke, but foomatic already does that :-/14:29
ScottKelmo: Yeah, I knew I wasn't making that up.14:30
ScottKlamont says that makes the buildd very angry.14:30
ScottKI'd appreciate it if someone would review/accept clamav.  Once that's in Maverick, I'm ready to upload it to lucid-updates ...14:39
Riddell"The following link will direct you to a download location near you" ... "Or, choose the mirror closest to you"   why do we need the second if we have the first?14:51
RiddellScottK: let me look14:51
ScottKRiddell: Thanks.14:52
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cjwatsonScottK: done14:56
cjwatsonoh, sorry, Riddell was in progress on it apparently, didn't notice14:56
ScottKThanks both of you.14:56
Riddelltoo late by only seconds, no glory for me14:57
cjwatsonRiddell: heh15:03
cjwatsonas if the accepter is visible anywhere anyway ...15:03
Riddellah, good morning skaet15:11
skaetgood morning Riddell :015:11
seb128hey skaet15:12
Riddellskaet: release is mostly done, just needs you to update the beasties on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview15:12
skaetRiddell,  cool.   Need some of robbiew's input on some of the entries too.15:14
Riddelloh, tsk, when does he wake up?15:14
ScottKHe's two hours east of skaet, so I guess whenever he feels like it.15:14
skaetRiddell,  ScottK - actually robbiew and I are both in Austin.  ;)15:15
ScottKThat's right, I had you confused with the Oregon mob.15:15
skaetScottK,  no worries ;)15:16
skaetRiddell,  haven't seen answers from newz2000 yet either in the inbox, about the paths15:17
* elmo posts to OMGUbuntu that the 'release is [...] done', you heard it here first15:17
Riddellskaet: he's on irc though15:17
robbiewwhat do you NEED from me?15:17
robbiewjust a review of the TechnicalOverview15:17
araskaet, I am pretty sure that bug 628290 is fixed in RC, and should be removed from the notes15:17
ubot4Launchpad bug 628290 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "OEM installation, missing "Prepare for shipping to end user" icon (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 167)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62829015:17
skaettext for the bugs and known issues.15:18
aramany of the "Known issues" there are from Beta15:18
skaetrobbiew,  text for the bugs and known issues.15:18
skaetara, if its good,   then yes it should be removed.15:18
araskaet, yes, but if that one is there, I think most should be checked :)15:19
skaetI just took the beta and then double checked the status on launchpad.15:19
skaetara,  :yup agree.   that's what I put in the note to robbiew ;)15:19
skaetwhat needs tso be added today are the ones from the release target, and the one's we've found since beta and deferred.15:20
robbiewsorry...I can't do it right now...ara can you verify?15:20
ararobbiew, I'll have a look15:20
skaetRiddell, newz200 is responding to us,   can you doublecheck the paths on the announce part and update with any input from him.   Asked him about a couple of the fixme paths at the same time,  so we should hear from that.15:26
araskaet, I commented out two bugs that are fixed in RC. You can double check now15:26
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skaetara,  thanks!  :)   will do.15:27
araI am going to review now the bugs found during RC testing, to see what's worth adding to the release notes15:27
araseb128, didrocks, did you guys added this one to the release notes? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+bug/56173415:28
ubot4Launchpad bug 561734 in mesa (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "quadrapassel doesn't start: Failed to initialise clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context (affects: 27) (dups: 7) (heat: 153)" [High,Fix committed]15:28
didrocksara: I didn't15:29
seb128ara, no, is one game really worth rc notes?15:29
didrocksara: but yeah, impacted intel driver, can have been added to the release note15:29
didrocksand it's in the queue now, right?15:29
araseb128, it is the only clutter application?15:29
araOK, so if you think it is not worth it, that's fine15:30
seb128I would not bother for one game especially when the fix is in the queue15:30
seb128but if somebody want to add it I'm fine with it15:30
seb128ara, but thanks for pointing it ;-)15:31
seb128I would be interested to get feedback on whether the fix work for you when it gets in15:31
dokoRiddell: why is sun-java6 in NEW?15:32
araseb128, sure, let me know when it reaches the archive, and I will check the fix15:33
seb128ara, I will, thanks15:34
kenvandinecan someone please reject the desktopcouch upload in the queue?  i just found a serious bug, there will be a new release asap15:34
Riddelldoko: because Brian uploaded it?15:34
seb128kenvandine, seems it got accepted already15:35
dokoRiddell: no, I did15:35
kenvandineok... so that puts more pressure on a new release :)15:35
seb128kenvandine, it was over an hour ago, how broken is it?15:35
kenvandineit will likely break all quickly apps15:36
seb128will make didrocks happy15:36
cjwatsonbetter fix it soon then :)15:36
kenvandineCardinalFang is busting it out now :)15:36
didrocksoh nice :)15:36
seb128didrocks, see you though they could do anything else after breaking oneconf, they did :p15:36
* didrocks loves more and more desktopcouh, breaking quickly apps and oneconf :)15:36
didrocksseb128: hehe, right15:36
didrocksI think I either hate it or it hates me :)15:37
kenvandinedidrocks, the wrapper object created from get_records no longer contains a rows method15:37
kenvandineor any other for that matter15:37
* CardinalFang is pale enough. Wearing this brown paper bag will not help.15:38
didrockshum, yeah, that's anoying15:38
didrocksCardinalFang: heh, don't be!15:38
CardinalFangI'm astonished this slipped through tests.15:39
Riddelldoko: well that'll be why it's there then, packages which have been deleted then uploaded will go through New15:42
dokoRiddell: why deleted? it's in lucid partner15:43
Riddelldoko: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+publishinghistory says "Deleted on 2010-04-30 by Colin Watson15:43
Riddellremove partner packages copied over when initialising maverick; these should only be in lucid for now"15:43
cjwatsondoko: the partner team instructed us to do this15:52
dokocjwatson: ahh, ok15:52
cjwatsonthey want to start partner afresh for every release15:52
dokobrian didn't know about it15:53
cjwatsonhe asked for it15:53
cjwatson(we won't have to delete them manually in future; Soyuz has been changed to avoid copying them)15:53
araskaet, from the bug list at iso.qa.ubuntu.com I don't see any supercritical worth mentioning (apart from those on the list)15:53
skaetara,  thanks for checking.   :)15:54
skaetsaw the bugs you commented out,  we need to doublecheck launchpad is up to date on those, since they were not in "fixed released" state last night, which is why I left them in.15:55
* robbiew is off the phone now...sorry :/15:56
araskaet, both were bugs that were marked as duplicated of others15:56
araskaet, the original ones are "Triaged" and "Won't Fix" (the ones in the release notes) but if you follow the links, the master bugs are Fixed released15:57
arain versions contained in the cd15:57
skaetara,  thanks.   it was a bit late. ;)15:57
smoserok. cjwatson Riddell uec images are now public15:59
newz2000cjwatson, Riddell: what is the difference between "release notes" and "technical overview?"16:01
RiddellI've never worked that out16:02
newz2000that makes me feel so good16:02
* newz2000 isn't the only one16:02
newz2000Riddell: I'm unconfirming the URLs I confirmed16:02
robbiewI thought the technical overview WAS the release notes16:02
newz2000for release notes they will be http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010 the technical overview will live on the wiki16:03
newz2000(wherever it is now)16:03
ScottKAIUI, technical overview is focused on stuff we meant to have happen, release notes is focused on stuff we didn't.16:04
newz2000one of them (release notes I think) gets translated into many langs and is available from the installer, so it's the one we want to have on www.u.c (for performance reasons)16:05
cjwatsonyes, we write the release notes separately16:05
cjwatsonuntil quite close to the end of the cycle, the only release notes are embedded in TechnicalOverview, but for final release we split them out16:06
newz2000Riddell: you can and should use that URL I gave you but it seems the content will live on the wiki16:13
newz2000There is a mis-configuration in our CMS and I will have the vendor fix it by next week, so advertise http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/101016:14
newz2000that will be the final URL16:14
Riddellvendor?  ubuntu.com doesn't just use drupal or the like?16:15
newz2000Riddell: yes, it's drupal but we've had some custom work done by a consultancy16:15
ogasawaraRiddell: just fyi, I've updated the TechnicalOverview with the updated linux kernel bits16:19
charlie-tcaCan't we do anythign about OMG! Ubuntu announcing these releases before they actually happen?16:23
popeyI would recommend speaking to joey, not benjamin16:24
jpdsAnd not linking to master mirrors; but local country ones, please.16:24
charlie-tcaSomeone really needs to16:25
popeythis happens with every release, it's always _someone_ who messes up and posts public links to the iso images, you'd just expect omg to have slightly more clue16:28
charlie-tcaThat was my thought. People consider them to be an official website, not a blog16:30
popeypeople in "wrong" shocker16:30
ScottKpopey: Maybe you'd expect that.16:30
smoseri'm going to step away right now for an hour or so.16:31
ScottK(the clue part)16:31
charlie-tcaAnd to announce as early as they did... They really could wait at least until afternoon16:31
smoserthe only thing left to do for UEC images is update the ami pages.  which i can do when i return.16:31
smoser(if you've already released... its not a big time critical thing IMO)16:31
popeycharlie-tca: joey is actually quite an outside to ubuntu, omg is very much someone looking in from outside.16:31
popeye.g. they adopted a CoC and didn't use the Ubuntu one because they thought they weren't allowed.16:31
newz2000Where are the release notes currently?16:32
charlie-tcaBut some of the them are heavily involved in Ubuntu16:32
skaetthanks ogasawara16:32
popeycharlie-tca: define heavily :)16:32
ScottKand involved16:32
charlie-tcamaybe it is just the perception?16:33
popeyI know they mean well, just trying to get the 'news' out there, and people lap it up. yes they mess up sometimes, but I don't think Joey ever posts anything with malice.. ben on the other hand..16:33
* charlie-tca hides again16:33
robbiewnewz2000: you mean this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview ?16:34
newz2000robbiew: I don't think that's what I mean. :-)16:34
* newz2000 subtly references previous conversation about diff between technical overview and release notes16:35
Riddellnewz2000: they're not separate for now16:36
Riddellonly for the final one16:36
newz2000oh, ok16:36
Riddellwhen I hope someone will actually be incharge of prepraring them16:36
newz2000I need to set a redirect up so that when someone wants to view the release notes (linked from the homepage) they get sent somewhere16:36
newz2000Somethign to replace this page: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta16:37
skaetRiddell,  re: incharge of preparing them,  yup - robbiew and I will decide that later today ;)16:41
robbiewnewz2000: yeah..that's the same content from the Technical Overview16:43
newz2000robbiew: ok, great, thanks16:43
* robbiew is still editing it though16:45
newz2000robbiew: would you mind if I create a new heading above "Upgrading…" and make upgrading and downloading a sub-section?16:45
newz2000or you could do it if you like16:45
newz2000I'd like to get the call to action above the fold16:45
newz2000It could say "Get Ubuntu 10.10" or similar16:46
robbiewnewz2000: sure...I'm fine with it.  I'll make the change.16:47
newz2000great, thanks16:47
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robbiewnewz2000: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview16:57
robbiewhow's that look?16:57
robbiew(re: the Get Ubuntu 10.10)16:57
robbiewI'm out of the wiki, so feel free to modify as needed16:57
GrueMasterskaet: For the release notes:  Upgrading beagle (armel omap) from lucid->maverick can run of of free space if USB drive is 4G or less.16:58
robbiewGrueMaster: ack..will add16:58
robbiewGrueMaster: "run OUT of", I assume16:59
skaetrobbiew, ack16:59
GrueMasterrobbiew: yea, that too.16:59
robbiewGrueMaster: is there a bug that I should mention as well?16:59
* GrueMaster needs more caffeine infusion.17:00
newz2000robbiew: thanks a unch17:00
GrueMasterNo bug.17:00
GrueMasterNot sure if it is one really.17:00
newz2000unch = bunch or lunch or brunch depending on if you're hungry or not17:00
robbiewGrueMaster: sure...just making sure...added17:01
GrueMasterOn a side note, with all the requests to clean up disk space, does lucid-desktop-[ia64|powerpc|powerpc+ps3].* belong in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/20100928/ with maverick images?  Could free up a couple Gb.17:10
Riddellhow curious17:12
robbiewnewz2000: so will we have http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/rc ?17:16
newz2000robbiew: no, not planned. There will be a link on testing page pointing to /getubuntu/releasenotes/101017:17
robbiewbasically, what replaces http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta?17:17
robbiewnewz2000: ok17:18
cjwatsonGrueMaster: no, it doesn't.  will remove17:19
cjwatsonprevious images get carried over, and this sometimes means that images from the previous release get mistakenly carried over - long-standing minor bug17:20
GrueMasteroops.  :P17:20
cjwatsonI've checked and it only affects that one tree17:20
smoserok. so i've not seen any release info, and i'm back now. so i can do the ami pages.17:23
slangasekScottK: I see kdebase-workspace is gone from the queue, I guess that was accepted rather than rejected?17:24
ScottKslangasek: It was, but I'd still appreciate it if you'd look at the change.17:25
ScottK(I didn't accept it and I'm not sure if whoever did was completely upstartified)17:25
robbiewnewz2000: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview is good to go17:26
Riddellrobbiew: I'm off out, I take it you'll send out the announce when the ubuntu.com pages are done?17:26
newz2000robbiew: ok, any word on when we're ready to "release"17:26
robbiewRiddell: aye..thank you sir!17:26
slangasekScottK: looks good to me - exactly the fix expected based on our experience with gdm17:27
cjwatsonScottK,slangasek: I accepted it, it seemed to match the gdm change and there was extensive discussion on the bug17:27
cjwatsonwhich looked broadly correct17:27
ScottKcjwatson and slangasek; Thanks.17:27
* Riddell updates .htaccess and HEADER.html files17:27
robbiewnewz2000: just need a few more minutes to update the mirror links in the announcement...to point to /rc17:28
robbiewnewz2000: done with release announcement...skaet anything else need to be done?17:37
skaetrobbiew, release notes are good.   can I have one more pass on the announce?17:38
robbiewskaet: sure thing17:38
newz2000robbiew: if we make the first link point to www.ubuntu.com/testing/download it will bounce them to a mirror near them using geoip17:39
robbiewnewz2000: which first link? :)17:40
newz2000robbiew: first download link17:40
* newz2000 thinks robbiew needs to work on his mind-reading skills ;-)17:40
robbiewyep...http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/download (Ubuntu Desktop, Server, and Netbook) is there17:40
robbiewmaybe I should mention that it bounces to a mirror near them using geoup17:41
jpds"Or, download Ubuntu 10.10 RC; The following link will direct you to a download location near you:"17:41
newz2000robbiew: sorry, I meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview17:42
* newz2000 likes jpds wording better than geoip17:42
robbiewyeah..yeah..I wasn't going to actually say "geoip" ;)17:42
robbiewnewz2000: adding now17:43
newz2000Do you guys get a moment of dread just before you release this out into the world?17:44
* newz2000 always has violent butterflies in his stomach17:44
robbiewjpds: I assume you are correcting?17:45
* robbiew didn't want to step on your wiki edit ;)17:45
jpdsrobbiew: All yours now.17:45
robbiewnewz2000: I'm out of the wiki..TechnicalOverview is good to go18:00
newz2000robbiew: are the mirrors ready, should we launch the website?18:00
robbiewI think some were still lagging18:02
* robbiew goes to check again18:02
skaetwhen I was checking, some were pointing to beta about minutes ago.18:03
skaetdouble check them is good idea.18:03
robbiewhttp://ubuntu.saix.net/ubuntu-releases/10.10/ still pointing to beta18:04
skaetannounce still needs a bit more tweaking, but website can start I think.18:04
skaetwithout waiting for it, once we know the mirrors are good.18:04
robbiewhttp://mirrors.sohu.com/ubuntu-releases/10.10/    http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/ubuntu-iso/CDs/10.10/    http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/ubuntu-cd/10.10/    http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/ubuntu-cd/10.10/   all beta18:05
smoserdoes anyone mind if I update the AMI pages now ?  I am about to fall over, and need to step away.18:07
robbiewhttp://ubuntu.mirrors.proxad.net/10.10/   http://ubuntu.mirrors.proxad.net/10.10/  http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/10.10/   also beta18:08
robbiewsmoser: go ahead18:08
smoserthank you.18:08
robbiewnewz2000: so both http://cesium.di.uminho.pt/pub/ubuntu/10.10  and  http://mirror.linux.org.au/ubuntu-releases/10.10 don't work18:09
newz2000robbiew: did you get those from www.ubuntu.com/testing/download ?18:09
robbiewno...from the TO...they were already there18:10
* robbiew hates this listing of the mirrors18:10
newz2000robbiew: ditch it18:10
newz2000just use testing/download18:10
robbiewnewz2000: aye...btw, I meant the ReleaseAnnouncement...TO is fine18:11
robbiewskaet ^^^^18:11
robbiewsince you are still in the announcement18:11
robbiewmaybe we should just leave the mirrors out18:11
robbiewand let the link do it's job18:11
newz2000more choices is not more good18:12
skaetrobbiew, yeah,  I tend to agree at this point.18:12
newz2000disclaimer: during the first hour it can be hit and miss18:12
smoserami pages updated. uec images are "done". http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/rc/18:13
skaetrobbiew, newz2000  so, should I just strike out section "Or, choose the mirror closest to you:" ?18:14
ScottKIt's Gnome, of course more choices aren't good.18:14
newz2000skaet: imho, yes18:14
robbiewScottK: hush...lol18:14
skaetrobbiew, newz2000 doing it now.18:14
robbiewsmoser: ack, thnx18:14
skaetbit torrent comment at the end - goes too?18:17
robbiewskaet: oh..wait, I thought you meant something else...that can stay18:19
robbiew"Please download using Bittorrent if possible."  seems fine to me18:19
skaetheh,  no worries.   will just put it back.18:19
robbiewnewz2000:  go ahead and flip the website18:21
skaetrobbiew,  am out.   do one more quick scan, and pronounce the blessing (if appropriate)18:23
robbiewnewz2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLFYx6xlhB018:23
robbiewskaet: aye18:23
newz2000this is it18:24
skaetit is what it is...18:24
newz2000oops, should have watched the whole thing18:24
newz2000ok, it's live18:25
* skaet \o/18:25
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stgrabernewz2000: is the redirection to wiki.ubuntu.com the wanted behaviour when you click on that RC banner ?18:30
newz2000stgraber: yes, for now18:30
* robbiew sends out the announcement18:44
marjo__robbiew: thx18:45
GrueMasterIs there an actual image for kubuntu-netbook on armel?  I see kubuntu-mobile (which really looks cool btw) and Kubuntu-preinstalled-desktop, but not netbook.19:01
ScottKGrueMaster: No separate netbook image anymore.  It's part of desktop now.19:01
ScottKGrueMaster: If your display is less than 700 pixels high, you have a battery, and no CD drive, you get netbook on first run (and there's a kcm for easy switching).19:02
GrueMasterOk, so http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4597 should be kubuntu-desktop?19:02
ScottKGrueMaster: Yes.19:03
ScottKstgraber: Can you fix ^^^19:03
GrueMasterLet me know when it is fixed and I will fill in the appropriate info.19:03
GrueMasterAnd kubuntu-mobile is not part of the release testing, right?  Looks cool so far, but also has a ways to go.19:04
ScottKGrueMaster: It's a tech preview, so doesn't need any official testing, but if you get a chance to look at it, it would be appreciated.19:05
GrueMasterHave it running now, hence the comments.19:05
GrueMasterOn omap4 btw.19:06
ScottKActually there may have been a test case for mobile.19:06
ScottKInteresting.  Just i386.19:07
ScottKGrueMaster: You might report a result for the i386 kubuntu-mobile test and mention in comments what you're actually testing on, so we have a record.19:08
GrueMasterSomeone should probably review the testcases prior to next week release testing.  I see imx51 on the list for netboot and it is not supported.19:08
GrueMasterOk.  Or I could just add an omap4 test and report there.  For the most part, it has the same issues as all the other images (sound mainly).19:09
ScottKHowever you think best.19:09
GrueMasterprefer to keep arch results separate.  And I am seeing an issue on omap, but I am reflashing and will retry.  Missing perl lib.19:10
newz2000robbiew: I like your release announcement, it's great, but it leaves me with one lingering question...19:18
newz2000Is it web scale?19:18
robbiewhuh?  you mean the <<BR>> cruft?19:18
newz2000no, Ubuntu. Is it web scale?19:18
newz2000(sorry, obscure reference to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs )19:19
robbiewnewz2000: gotcha19:20
* nigelb hugs robbiew 19:22
robbiewnigelb: :)19:23
nigelbThat was like *awesome* mail about RC.  Love the THGTTG reference :)19:23
nigelbYou should copy and paste less often :p19:23
nigelbThe originals are more aweome19:24
robbiewnigelb: heh...tell me about it...kept the damn <<BR>> cut and pastes at the bottom so folks know I sent the announcement :/19:24
\shnewz2000: put a copy on another server...youtube says, there is content of comcast in it...krauts are not able to watch it ;)19:52
newz2000\sh: I didn't make that unfortunately, it was one of those viral videos going around a few weeks ago19:53
newz2000I'm really surprised it was blocked, it's got some bad language but otherwise no music or photos or anything that might upset someone19:53
newz2000\sh: just google for "mongodb web scale" and I'm sure you'll find a copy19:54
ScottKrobbiew: I just accepted ubuntu-artwork, so the font change is in.20:20
robbiewScottK: thnx...heh...but I think kenvandine needs to resubmit with a change to the font size20:21
ScottKrobbiew: It was 10 point in what I accepted.  Is that wrong?20:21
kenvandineScottK, we are just discussing that now20:21
kenvandinei think it will get bumped to 10.5 or 1120:22
kenvandineubuntu is a little smaller than sans20:22
ScottKOK.  In general if there's stuff in the queue that shouldn't be processed, it's worth a mention.20:22
kenvandineScottK, yeah... this just came up :)20:22
Riddellannounce not gone out yet?20:28
kenvandineScottK, i just uploaded a new ubuntu-artwork changing it to 11, sorry for the repeat work20:31
skaetRiddell,  robbiew sent out about an hour ago on ubuntu-devel-announce, and ubuntu-announce.20:32
robbiewand the releases blog...and on LP :)20:34
ScottKkenvandine: No problem.  I'll look at it in a moment.20:34
kenvandineScottK, thx20:35
ScottKDon't see it in unapproved yet.20:35
kenvandineScottK, a little lag there i guess...20:37
ScottKYep.  It arrived.  Now I'm waiting for the diff.20:38
ScottKAlso Riddell's liblastfm upload was 12 seconds ahead of yours, so you'll need to get in line ...20:38
ScottKkenvandine and robbiew: Accepted.20:40
ScottKThat should make the same publisher run as the first one, so no one will actually get the one with the wrong size.20:41
robbiewScottK: thnx20:41
kenvandineScottK, thx!20:42
ScottKYou're welcome.20:42
robbiewskaet: FYI -> 63074822:35
ubot4Launchpad bug 630748 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "iwlagn degrades quickly during normal wifi session (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed]22:35
skaetrobbiew,  yeah I came in part way through the thread on ubuntu-kernel.22:36
robbiewchatting in #ubuntu-kernel about it...fix isn't out, but a suitable workaround is available22:36
skaetam adding it to the agenda.22:36
robbiewskaet: added to ubuntu-release-notes also22:36
skaetright now as well, so it keeps on the radar.22:36
skaetyup, saw thatand was tempted to send you a big :D22:37
ScottKWe need to figure out a different name for our "Release Candidate" milestone because what we are producing is not (and never has been) what most people thing the term release candidate means.22:37
robbiewhow so?  we don't change much between the RC and release22:38
dokorobbiew: we don't have a 4.4.5 final GCC release, so maybe it's better to talk about 4.4.4, or you'll see the 4.4.5 final gcc in the unapproved queue tomorrow ...22:38
robbiew~$ gcc --version22:39
robbiewgcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-14ubuntu5) 4.4.522:39
dokodon't say that I won't deliver what the release notes say ...22:39
robbiewwell THAT is a but misleading, imo22:39
dokoit is, it's a merge error, but I didn't want to change that again. the kernel folk are a bit jumpy about it22:40
robbiewwell hell...I guess it's your fault ;)22:40
robbiewI'll make the change back for the final release22:40
ScottKrobbiew: I generally think of a RC as "The thing we'll release unless something comes up".22:42
ScottKI don't think Ubuntu RCs have ever been anywhere near that.22:43
dokootoh, the package is much closer to 4.4.5 than 4.4.422:43
robbiewdoko: shut up22:43
ScottKUploading a new Gnome version between RC and final isn't particularly RCish.22:43
robbiewScottK: agree with that22:43
seb128we didn't do that22:44
seb128we uploaded a few tarballs with translation updates only22:44
ScottKAh, OK.22:44
seb128we got most of the new GNOME in on monday before RC22:44
ScottKI just saw a lot of Gnome stuff with new version numbers.22:44
ScottKThat's not so bad then.22:44
seb128right .92 to .022:44
seb128GNOME is code frozen between those22:44
robbiewScottK: yeah....I agree that the RC should be the RC (so to speak)22:45
seb128so it's bug fixes which deservers a freeze exception and translation updates22:45
RiddellI agree to the gnome updates since I think if I was an upstream I'd want the .0 version shipped so I'd be confident when people report bugs that it's the same version released22:45
seb128but yeah, we got bitten by the timing due to 10.10.1022:45
robbiewI wonder who decided that?22:45
ScottKrobbiew: This was going to be the cycle where we stuck to the milestones ....22:45
robbiewit was? I thought it was the cycle we did everything cowboy-ish because it was Maverick22:46
robbiewI'm telling you...just remember the 3 sentences of life...and it will all be OKAY22:47
ograScottK, sorry, i wasnt clear in the bug, devmem2 is a hard dep of the omap GL drivers packages22:48
* ogra adds that to the bug22:48
ograoh, ricardo did already22:48
ScottKogra: OK.  In that case if you can find an archive admin with time to review, I think it's fine.22:48
ograi'll try, thanks (it will help plasma on omap massively)22:49
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* \sh has a dream...ogra and something kde related..23:52

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