[00:01] <Riddell> slangasek: should I be pre-publishing images now?
[00:06] <slangasek> Riddell: if you have good images, then yes :)
[00:13] <Riddell> slangasek: so I do  for-project .. publish-release .. poolonly to pre publish?  then what do I do tomorrow to publish them?
[00:23] <Riddell> charlie-tca: ok to publish xubuntu images?
[00:23] <Riddell> stgraber: ok to publish edubuntu images?
[00:24] <stgraber> Riddell: yep
[00:25]  * robbiew probably should work on a release announcement, huh?
[00:26] <Riddell> robbiew: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RCAnnouncement would be a start
[00:26] <robbiew> yeah...I think skaet started it already
[00:27] <Riddell> I started that
[00:27] <robbiew> oh...Riddell did
[00:27] <robbiew> :)
[00:27] <Riddell> where's rick to sign off on ubuntu images?
[00:27] <robbiew> will need to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview as well
[00:28] <Riddell> yes indeed
[00:29] <Riddell> jiboumans: ok to publish ubuntu server images?
[00:31] <robbiew> Riddell: I don't believe they need to sign off on the images
[00:31] <robbiew> they = rick and jos
[00:32] <robbiew> if the ISOs cleared the isoqa process, then they are good to go
[00:34] <Riddell> I'm going by https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest, there's a few failures on ISO tracker so I wouldn't say that counts as cleared
[00:35] <Riddell> e.g. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4564 has two failures on live session and one on wubi
[00:40] <robbiew> aye
[00:41] <robbiew> Riddell: well you might not get a response from either today :/
[00:42] <slangasek> Riddell: tomorrow you run publish-release again with 'yes' instead of 'poolonly'
[00:43] <Riddell> slangasek: for each of the classes of image?
[00:43] <slangasek> for all images that belong on releases.u.c
[00:43] <Riddell> yep
[00:44] <slangasek> and you'll want to make sure you stow the beta images away in ../old-images/ before you start publishing with 'yes', otherwise bits go awol
[00:46] <Riddell> slangasek: is that just done by hand?
[00:46] <slangasek> sadly, yes
[00:52] <Laney> 30/09 00:51:16 <sarah_pearce16> shes gonna het off with some fitty then
[00:52] <Laney> >> (30/09 00:51:18) (Laney[+Ris]) (39:sarah_pearce16)
[00:52] <Laney> >> (1=1 |#crumbs    2=2 |#php       3=3 |#short.bus 4=4 |#haskell   5=5 |#toast~ers 6=6 |#debian-uk 7=7 |#relax     8=8 |#deb~n-cli 9=9 |#agda
[00:52] <Laney> >> (0=10|#ubu~lease q=11|#ubu~-motu w=12|#ubu~devel e=13|#ubuntu-uk r=14|#epigram   t=15|&bitlbee   y=16|#ubunt~ing u=17|#debian    i=18|#debi~evel
[00:52] <Laney> argh
[00:52] <Laney> multitouch + x clipboard = bad combination
[00:55] <ajmitch> Laney: it's an entertaining combination though
[00:56] <Laney> I accidently paste things so often, it's pretty shameful really
[00:57] <Riddell> slangasek: for publishing on cdimages I use "named" in the command?
[00:57] <slangasek> Riddell: correct
[00:57] <Riddell> slangasek: what happens if I use "no"?
[00:58] <slangasek> Riddell: then you get images published with naming in the style of alphas (i.e., without the release version in the filename)
[00:59] <Riddell> ok, not what I want then
[01:00] <Riddell> slangasek: what do I have to do to publish wubi (if anything)?
[01:02] <slangasek> Riddell: that's not part of the RC checklist, is it?  I don't know that we "release" wubi until the end
[01:02] <slangasek> Riddell: but the process is to grab the URL returned by 'find-live-filesystem i386 wubi' and wget that into the release dir
[01:03] <slangasek> (and call it 'wubi.exe', or something else sensible)
[01:03] <Riddell> I'd have thought RC was ment to follow the final release as closely as possible, isn't it ment to be a practice run?
[01:05] <slangasek> that's not how I understand it
[01:05] <slangasek> there's lots of other stuff happening on release day that we don't go through for the RC - the RC is really just a last test of the archive+images before the point of no return
[01:06] <persia> It's also an extra good excuse to make developers get their heads out of random code and remember that a release is happening, and they have to fix that niggling bug *NOW*
[01:19] <ScottL> Riddell, were you asking about ubuntu studio publication?
[01:19] <ScottL> i think we should be good :)
[01:19] <Riddell> ScottL: I was
[01:20] <ScottL> Riddell, is there anything specifically you needed?
[01:20] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest says I need LuisdeBethencourt to sign off, but if you can prove you're also responsible for it that's good
[01:21] <ScottL> Riddell, i do not think you will get his sign off ;)  i am current project lead however, you can validate that with persia and themuso if necessary
[01:22]  * persia hunts up the email to ubuntu-release
[01:22] <persia> Oh, u-d-a actually: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-September/000766.html
[01:22] <Riddell> persia: do you trust this guy?  or is he just a one bit shift plageriser of ScottK? :)
[01:22] <persia> ScottL, You should probably update the wiki
[01:23] <persia> Riddell, I trust ScottL
[01:23] <ScottL> persia, i shall update the wiki later tonight (kids are acting up)
[01:23] <ScottK> Actually someone other than ScottL should update the wiki.
[01:23] <persia> (and yes, nick-completion gets useless at that level of similarity)
[01:23] <persia> ScottK, Who ought it be?
[01:23] <Riddell> I can update the wiki
[01:23] <ScottK> Excellent.
[01:23] <ScottL> Oustanding
[01:23] <persia> Great!
[01:23] <ScottL> err. Outstanding ;)
[01:23] <ScottK> persia: I don't think people should be self-appointed to the release manifest.
[01:24] <persia> ScottK, We probably ought formalise that then, as we've historically mostly self-appointed release manifest entries when we added them.
[01:25] <persia> I agree with your point, but it needs documentation, review by appropriate teams (ubuntu-release?  TB?), announcement, etc.
[01:25] <ScottK> persia: I don't know that it has to be a formal rule, just a best practice.
[01:25] <persia> That's easier to implement :)
[01:26] <ScottK> persia: The release delegations are different than ISO signoff in any case.
[01:26] <ScottK> (re your earlier comment)
[01:27] <persia> Ah, that's my failure in not being familiar enough with the release approval process then.
[01:28] <persia> (both in referencing that, and in not ensuring that ScottL was listed there previously)
[01:28] <ScottK> We'll survive.
[01:30] <Riddell> slangasek: the .pool directories look good, I presume I use sync-mirrors to push them out?
[01:31] <slangasek> Riddell: yep
[01:32] <Riddell> syncing
[01:54]  * Riddell snoozes
[06:10] <skaet> Riddell,  around?
[06:42] <persia> skaet, he claimed to be snoozing about 270 minutes ago: he's probably still doing so :)
[06:43] <skaet> heh, spotted that, but he wasn't marked away, so figured I'd check.  :)
[06:44]  * skaet figures its time for her to go sleep too,  it can wait until the morning.   
[06:44] <persia> Won't hurt to leave a contentful ping, and check your backscroll in the morning... :)
[06:45] <persia> (plus someone else might have the data you seek)
[06:58] <skaet> Thanks persia,   I sent a long email a while ago now,  mostly its just trying to sort out who'll do what tomorrow between him, Robbie and myself ;)  The TechnicalOverview needs some love on its release notes for the known issues.
[07:00] <persia> GIven your timezone, I suspect you'll end up with whatever isn't already done when you get up :)
[07:00] <skaet> lol, yup.
[08:14] <ara> good morning all!
[08:34] <Riddell> charlie-tca: ping, xubuntu sign off needed
[08:35] <Riddell> jiboumans: ping, server sign off needed
[08:36] <didrocks> weird weechat doesn't save anymore channels on close…
[08:41] <Riddell> well it's only wee, next time try mucklechat :)
[09:25] <mvo> could someone please reject my foomatic-gui upload? it appears that needs a bit of clarification with till first
[09:27] <seb128> mvo, done
[09:36] <mvo> thanks seb128
[09:45] <Riddell> ogasawara: please check kernel info on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[09:52] <ara> Riddell, pointing to the kubuntu wiki, uh? :)
[09:53] <ara> Riddell, in known bugs thare are some from last milestone
[09:53] <Riddell> ara: I think didrocks is making some edits, please coordinate with him to get them updated
[09:54] <didrocks> will release the lock shortly
[09:54] <ara> Riddell, shouldn't be skaet doing that? or the one acting as RM
[09:54] <ara> who is in charge?
[09:55] <Riddell> yes skaet said she could do it too
[09:56] <didrocks> done for me
[11:36] <doko> please accept lash, if possible
[11:36] <persia> It's in the Studio set.
[11:37] <doko> ahh, ok
[11:43] <persia> doko, Generally https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= will show if stuff is in a set (use queue_text if the list is too long)
[11:55] <cjwatson> Riddell: mountall 2.19 is serious for cloud, nice-to-have for everything else
[11:56] <Riddell> good, thanks
[11:56] <cjwatson> Riddell: do you know about publish-image-set.py in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools?
[11:57] <cjwatson> Riddell: it doesn't run them for you, but it saves having to come up with all the publish-release commands by hand
[11:57] <Riddell> cjwatson: I did not
[11:58] <cjwatson> pitti wrote it for alpha-3 or so, and I polished it a bit for beta; it's not quite there yet but it's a heck of a lot easier than byhand
[11:58] <cjwatson> hah, bet it doesn't know about "RC" mind you ...
[11:58]  * cjwatson goes to fix it
[11:59] <Riddell> doesn't look like it
[12:01] <cjwatson> fixed
[12:02] <Riddell> is this a bad sign "Making armel+omap zsync metafile ... too long between blocks (try a smaller block size with -b)"
[12:10] <Riddell> ok images all in place except those omap ones which zsync breaks on
[12:10] <Riddell> cjwatson: any idea what that's about?
[12:11] <Riddell> now we just need sign off from server, the ubuntu website people to do whatever the ubuntu website people need to do, publish, announce
[12:13] <Riddell> beasties still need updated on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[12:13] <Riddell> ogasawara needs to update linux version numbers too
[12:13] <cjwatson> uh, I vaguely remember having to do some weird stupid thing with zsync
[12:14] <Riddell> curiously the kubuntu omap images published fine
[12:14] <cjwatson> let me poke about a bit before I answer
[12:15] <Riddell> but ubuntu-netbook and kubuntu-mobile broke
[12:15] <cjwatson> which exact command?
[12:15] <cjwatson> (s)
[12:18] <cjwatson> actually never mind, I'll just see if I can make it cope in general
[12:19] <Riddell> ARCHES='armel+omap armel+omap4' for-project ubuntu-netbook publish-release ports/daily-preinstalled 20100929 preinstalled-netbook named rc #FAILED
[12:21] <cjwatson> try it again now
[12:22]  * Riddell tries
[12:23] <Riddell> "too long between blocks (try a smaller block size with -b) Trying again with block size 2048 ..."  clever :)
[12:23] <cjwatson> still a zsyncmake bug, but there you go
[12:27] <ScottK> slangasek: I'd appreciate it if you would have a look at the kdebase-workspace upload in queue (it's a one line change to it's upstart script).  The rationale sounds reasonable and the code does what the rationale says, but i have no idea if it's the right idea.
[12:37] <smoser> Riddell, publish of ec2/uec images is done from nectarine.canonical.com
[12:37] <smoser> cjwatson also has acl
[12:37] <smoser> documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Publishing
[12:40] <Riddell> hmm
[12:43] <Riddell> well I don't seem to have access to nectarine
[12:43] <Riddell> cjwatson: can you publish the UEC images?
[12:44] <cjwatson> yeah
[12:45] <cjwatson> what build id?
[12:46] <cjwatson> 20100928.4?
[12:48] <smoser> are we ready to push go ?
[12:48] <smoser> if so i can do it
[12:48] <smoser> or we can let cjwatson
[12:49] <smoser> also for uec images i have to update AMI pages on amazon, which i can/will do
[12:49] <cjwatson> I probably ought to learn how to do it
[12:49] <smoser> yeah.
[12:49] <smoser> ok.
[12:50] <smoser> well, i'm kind of here. if you fall over.
[12:51] <smoser> i've already pre-published that image. i dont think you've ever been shared aws login info to do "Updating Amazon Pages"
[12:51] <cjwatson> so I run 'sudo -u vmbuilder /home/vmbuilder/bin/cronrun promote-daily rc /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4', yes?
[12:51] <cjwatson> I'm probably best off not trying to do the amazon update
[12:52] <cjwatson> oh, I add --make-public?
[12:52] <cjwatson> so 'sudo -u vmbuilder /home/vmbuilder/bin/cronrun promote-daily --make-public rc /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4'?
[12:53] <cjwatson> (awaiting ack before pressing enter)
[12:55] <smoser> verifying
[12:56] <smoser> vbcron promote-daily release /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4/ --verbose --make-public
[12:56] <smoser> oh. and vbcron is just sudo -u vmbuilder (in ~vmbuilder/bin)
[12:56] <smoser> so yeah.
[12:56] <smoser> hit enter
[12:58] <cjwatson> you had 'release' not 'rc'?
[12:58] <smoser> oh carp
[12:59] <smoser> i did.
[12:59] <smoser> we need to run with 'rc'
[12:59] <cjwatson> does it require any kind of cleanup of the previous publication?
[13:00] <smoser> i'll handle that. its all public
[13:00] <smoser> err... private
[13:00] <nhandler> Looks like Omg Ubuntu! has already announced the RC
[13:00] <cjwatson> should I let you do this at this point? :)
[13:01] <smoser> yes. i'm sorry. i can't believe i did that.
[13:01] <ajmitch> nhandler: someone has to jump the gun :)
[13:01] <wgrant> Slashdot always announces the release several hours early.
[13:02] <smoser> ok. cjwatson i just started: vbcron promote-daily --make-public rc /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100928.4 --allow-existing --verbose
[13:02]  * cjwatson nods and logs out :)
[13:03] <smoser> it will take like 3 hours :-(
[13:03] <smoser> at least the last one did.
[13:05] <smoser> and worse, its largely network bandwidth bottlenecked
[13:05] <elmo> smoser: who's bandwidth?
[13:06] <elmo> whose
[13:06] <smoser> outbound from canonical
[13:06] <smoser> well canonical -> aws
[13:07] <smoser> obviously its not saturated, but i don tthink that a release grab is going to help it.
[13:09] <elmo> smoser: if this is nectarine, you're on a link that's essentially unaffected by RC or anything else
[13:09] <smoser> oh. it is nectarine.
[13:09] <ttx> Riddell: I'm ok with RC
[13:09]  * cjwatson leaves a comment on behalf of the release team on the omgubuntu page
[13:10] <Riddell> ttx: thank, I'll publish those then
[13:10] <cjwatson> I don't imagine slashdot will ever change their spots but at least omgubuntu could do better
[13:10] <ttx> I'm having problems with that conference connection
[13:11] <ttx> smoser/Daviey: you can confirm for me
[13:11] <Riddell> I don't see it on slashdot
[13:11] <smoser> ttx, ?
[13:12] <ttx> smoser: that RC is "ready to ship" for you
[13:13] <Daviey> ttx: confirm?
[13:13] <smoser> well, no.
[13:13] <smoser> it was ok.
[13:13] <smoser> but we're a couple hours away now.
[13:14] <smoser> as i fat-fingered the pre-publish yesterday
[13:14] <Riddell> smoser: for the normal server images, not cloud
[13:15] <ttx> smoser/Daviey: Riddell has been asking me if I could signoff for RC
[13:15] <ttx> smoser/Davieyyou know ths situation better than I do
[13:15] <ttx> and that flaky connection can go down any time
[13:15] <Daviey> ttx: Yes.. it's looking good.
[13:16] <Daviey> ttx: Nothing major has arisen with the pre-rc tests
[13:16] <cjwatson> in mdz style I am slightly spooked by the lack of need for last-minute respins
[13:17] <ttx> cjwatson: that's because you rock :)
[13:17] <ttx> smoser/Daviey: great
[13:19] <Riddell> wow, those omgubuntu people are cheeky
[13:19] <smoser> ok. i have to get away from the machine for a bit.  the publish will be done when it is done.
[13:19] <Riddell> "perhaps you should work _with_ us" it's not like we're hard to find if they want to ask
[13:20] <smoser> and it will update: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/query/released.latest.txt
[13:20] <ScottK> Riddell: After they published a screed about how awful Ubuntu devs were, I decided I wasn't interested in them anymore.
[13:21] <Daviey> Maverick is looking better that i expected :)
[13:21] <Riddell> didrocks: gnome version numbers still don't match https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RCAnnouncement
[13:21] <smoser> so anyone interested can just : while sleep 10m ; do wget http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/query/released.latest.txt | grep "maverick.*rc" && mpg321 NarwhalsNarwhals.mp3; done
[13:21] <ScottK> Low expectations will do that for you.
[13:24] <didrocks> Riddell: sorry, should have forget to save the edit, fixed.
[13:25] <Riddell> so now we need skaet or someone to update the bugs on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview, ogasawara to fill in her version for the linux bit, newz to copy it over to the ubuntu website
[13:27] <ttx> Riddell: if you don't need me anymore, I'll disappear again
[13:27] <Riddell> ttx: thanks, you can go
[13:28] <ttx> Riddell: thank you for a smooth milestone release !
[13:28] <Riddell> and they're all on the wrong side of the planet so I guess we have to wait
[13:34] <Riddell> or I could just assume the announcement is ok, ignore the ubuntu website and announce
[13:34] <Riddell> that's what I would do if I was an omgubuntu editor :)
[13:35] <didrocks> :)
[13:35] <ogra> where is the known issues page template ?
[13:36]  * ogra wants to check that all notes made it from the bugs to that page
[13:37] <ogra> Riddell, ? ^^^
[13:39] <Riddell> ogra: bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[13:39] <ogra> thanks
[13:39]  * ogra cross checks
[13:40] <ogra> can i edit there ?
[13:40] <ogra> its all blue !
[13:42] <ScottK> You can.  We allow it.
[13:42] <ogra> heh
[13:42] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Can I start reviewing/accepting seeded packages from the queue?
[13:44] <ScottK> (normally once we're into publishing that's OK)
[13:44] <ogra> hrm
[13:45]  * ogra would edit if he could log in ... seems to be some heavy load on the wiki atm
[13:49] <Riddell> ScottK: aye go for it
[13:49] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.  I'll work doko's NBS stuff.
[13:50] <cjwatson> Benjamin Humphrey got in touch with me by /msg as requested, but when I replied eight minutes later he'd already /quit ...
[13:50]  * cjwatson sighs
[13:54] <ScottK> Sigh.
[13:54] <ScottK> lamont: Why are all the i386 buildd's on manual?
[13:55] <ScottK> Is there an estimated time they'll be back?
[14:03] <wgrant> You'd think that news sites could, you know, check the website.
[14:03] <ara> skaet, hello, are you around?
[14:04] <ScottK> wgrant: That's not a recipe for being first.  You have to have proper priorities.
[14:09] <Riddell> ara: skaet seems to still be asleep
[14:09] <Riddell> I've announced on kubuntu.org but the ubuntu e-mail announce will probably need to wait for her
[14:10] <ara> Riddell, but there are some bugs on the release notes that are already fixed
[14:10] <Riddell> ara: yes that's what I'm waiting to be updated
[14:11] <ara> Riddell, i.e. bug 628681
[14:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628681 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Kubuntu OEM did not install oem-config-kde (dup-of: 628290)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628681
[14:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628290 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "OEM installation, missing "Prepare for shipping to end user" icon (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 167)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628290
[14:11] <ara> Riddell, OK, no worries, I'll talk to her when she's around :)
[14:17] <ScottK> Riddell: We're going to have trouble moving these post-RC builds through with no i386 builders.  Perhaps you could have a poke at IS and find out what's up and when we can expect to have them back?
[14:18] <ogra> ScottK, i'm happy to share the arm ones (though we would have to delay the release i guess ;) )
[14:18] <cjwatson> I can chase it
[14:19] <ScottK> Heh. Probably.
[14:19] <elmo> ScottK: that was Ng
[14:19] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.
[14:19] <elmo> he's doing the bootstrap
[14:19] <elmo> that you guys asked for - he should only be a couple  more minutes he says
[14:19] <ScottK> OK.
[14:19] <ScottK> cjwatson: ^^^ mystery resolved.
[14:19] <cjwatson> ah, normally bootstraps don't require taking all the buildds down for more than a few moments
[14:20] <cjwatson> the procedure I remember is "stop buildds, get nominated buildd to accept package you want, re-enable them all"?
[14:20] <elmo> cjwatson: essentially, yes
[14:20] <lamont> cjwatson: yep.  and wait for it to fetch and at least start unpacking the buildd
[14:20] <lamont> s/buildd$/tarball/
[14:20] <cjwatson> OOo is needed, but will take a while :-/
[14:21] <cjwatson> (fix uninstallables on armel)
[14:21] <Ng> cjwatson: sorry yeah it's taking me a bit longer than it should
[14:24] <Ng> ok they're back on auto now, sorry about that
[14:24] <cjwatson> thanks!
[14:27] <wgrant> Ng: Is the build in question tiles?
[14:28] <Ng> yeah
[14:28] <wgrant> It bounced onto vernadsky a minute or two ago.
[14:28] <wgrant> Was that intentional?
[14:28] <Ng> no, it seems to be unhappy
[14:29] <ScottK> Threaten to build it -j 16 on armel if it doesn't behave.
[14:29] <elmo> ScottK: you joke, but foomatic already does that :-/
[14:30] <ScottK> elmo: Yeah, I knew I wasn't making that up.
[14:30] <ScottK> lamont says that makes the buildd very angry.
[14:39] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it if someone would review/accept clamav.  Once that's in Maverick, I'm ready to upload it to lucid-updates ...
[14:51] <Riddell> "The following link will direct you to a download location near you" ... "Or, choose the mirror closest to you"   why do we need the second if we have the first?
[14:51] <Riddell> ScottK: let me look
[14:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:56] <cjwatson> ScottK: done
[14:56] <cjwatson> oh, sorry, Riddell was in progress on it apparently, didn't notice
[14:56] <ScottK> Thanks both of you.
[14:57] <Riddell> too late by only seconds, no glory for me
[15:03] <cjwatson> Riddell: heh
[15:03] <cjwatson> as if the accepter is visible anywhere anyway ...
[15:11] <Riddell> ah, good morning skaet
[15:11] <skaet> good morning Riddell :0
[15:12] <skaet> :)
[15:12] <seb128> hey skaet
[15:12] <Riddell> skaet: release is mostly done, just needs you to update the beasties on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[15:14] <skaet> Riddell,  cool.   Need some of robbiew's input on some of the entries too.
[15:14] <Riddell> oh, tsk, when does he wake up?
[15:14] <ScottK> He's two hours east of skaet, so I guess whenever he feels like it.
[15:15] <skaet> Riddell,  ScottK - actually robbiew and I are both in Austin.  ;)
[15:15] <ScottK> Oh.
[15:15] <ScottK> That's right, I had you confused with the Oregon mob.
[15:16] <ScottK> Sorry
[15:16] <skaet> ScottK,  no worries ;)
[15:17] <skaet> Riddell,  haven't seen answers from newz2000 yet either in the inbox, about the paths
[15:17]  * elmo posts to OMGUbuntu that the 'release is [...] done', you heard it here first
[15:17] <Riddell> skaet: he's on irc though
[15:17] <robbiew> what do you NEED from me?
[15:17] <robbiew> just a review of the TechnicalOverview
[15:17] <robbiew> ?
[15:17] <ara> skaet, I am pretty sure that bug 628290 is fixed in RC, and should be removed from the notes
[15:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628290 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "OEM installation, missing "Prepare for shipping to end user" icon (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 167)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628290
[15:18] <skaet> text for the bugs and known issues.
[15:18] <ara> many of the "Known issues" there are from Beta
[15:18] <skaet> robbiew,  text for the bugs and known issues.
[15:18] <skaet> ara, if its good,   then yes it should be removed.
[15:19] <ara> skaet, yes, but if that one is there, I think most should be checked :)
[15:19] <skaet> I just took the beta and then double checked the status on launchpad.
[15:19] <skaet> ara,  :yup agree.   that's what I put in the note to robbiew ;)
[15:20] <skaet> what needs tso be added today are the ones from the release target, and the one's we've found since beta and deferred.
[15:20] <robbiew> sorry...I can't do it right now...ara can you verify?
[15:20] <ara> robbiew, I'll have a look
[15:20] <robbiew> thnx
[15:26] <skaet> Riddell, newz200 is responding to us,   can you doublecheck the paths on the announce part and update with any input from him.   Asked him about a couple of the fixme paths at the same time,  so we should hear from that.
[15:26] <skaet> ?
[15:26] <ara> skaet, I commented out two bugs that are fixed in RC. You can double check now
[15:27] <skaet> ara,  thanks!  :)   will do.
[15:27] <ara> I am going to review now the bugs found during RC testing, to see what's worth adding to the release notes
[15:28] <ara> seb128, didrocks, did you guys added this one to the release notes? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+bug/561734
[15:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 561734 in mesa (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "quadrapassel doesn't start: Failed to initialise clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context (affects: 27) (dups: 7) (heat: 153)" [High,Fix committed]
[15:29] <didrocks> ara: I didn't
[15:29] <seb128> ara, no, is one game really worth rc notes?
[15:29] <didrocks> ara: but yeah, impacted intel driver, can have been added to the release note
[15:29] <didrocks> and it's in the queue now, right?
[15:29] <seb128> yes
[15:29] <ara> seb128, it is the only clutter application?
[15:29] <seb128> yes
[15:30] <ara> OK, so if you think it is not worth it, that's fine
[15:30] <seb128> I would not bother for one game especially when the fix is in the queue
[15:30] <ara> OK
[15:30] <seb128> but if somebody want to add it I'm fine with it
[15:31] <seb128> ara, but thanks for pointing it ;-)
[15:31] <seb128> I would be interested to get feedback on whether the fix work for you when it gets in
[15:32] <doko> Riddell: why is sun-java6 in NEW?
[15:33] <ara> seb128, sure, let me know when it reaches the archive, and I will check the fix
[15:34] <seb128> ara, I will, thanks
[15:34] <kenvandine> can someone please reject the desktopcouch upload in the queue?  i just found a serious bug, there will be a new release asap
[15:34] <Riddell> doko: because Brian uploaded it?
[15:35] <seb128> kenvandine, seems it got accepted already
[15:35] <doko> Riddell: no, I did
[15:35] <kenvandine> ok... so that puts more pressure on a new release :)
[15:35] <seb128> kenvandine, it was over an hour ago, how broken is it?
[15:36] <kenvandine> it will likely break all quickly apps
[15:36] <seb128> will make didrocks happy
[15:36] <kenvandine> hehe
[15:36] <cjwatson> better fix it soon then :)
[15:36] <kenvandine> CardinalFang is busting it out now :)
[15:36] <didrocks> oh nice :)
[15:36] <seb128> didrocks, see you though they could do anything else after breaking oneconf, they did :p
[15:36]  * didrocks loves more and more desktopcouh, breaking quickly apps and oneconf :)
[15:36] <didrocks> seb128: hehe, right
[15:37] <didrocks> I think I either hate it or it hates me :)
[15:37] <kenvandine> didrocks, the wrapper object created from get_records no longer contains a rows method
[15:37] <kenvandine> or any other for that matter
[15:38]  * CardinalFang is pale enough.  Wearing this brown paper bag will not help.
[15:38] <didrocks> hum, yeah, that's anoying
[15:38] <didrocks> annoying*
[15:38] <didrocks> CardinalFang: heh, don't be!
[15:39] <CardinalFang> I'm astonished this slipped through tests.
[15:42] <Riddell> doko: well that'll be why it's there then, packages which have been deleted then uploaded will go through New
[15:43] <doko> Riddell: why deleted? it's in lucid partner
[15:43] <Riddell> doko: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+publishinghistory says "Deleted on 2010-04-30 by Colin Watson
[15:43] <Riddell> remove partner packages copied over when initialising maverick; these should only be in lucid for now"
[15:52] <cjwatson> doko: the partner team instructed us to do this
[15:52] <doko> cjwatson: ahh, ok
[15:52] <cjwatson> they want to start partner afresh for every release
[15:53] <doko> brian didn't know about it
[15:53] <cjwatson> he asked for it
[15:53] <cjwatson> (we won't have to delete them manually in future; Soyuz has been changed to avoid copying them)
[15:53] <ara> skaet, from the bug list at iso.qa.ubuntu.com I don't see any supercritical worth mentioning (apart from those on the list)
[15:54] <skaet> ara,  thanks for checking.   :)
[15:55] <skaet> saw the bugs you commented out,  we need to doublecheck launchpad is up to date on those, since they were not in "fixed released" state last night, which is why I left them in.
[15:56]  * robbiew is off the phone now...sorry :/
[15:56] <ara> skaet, both were bugs that were marked as duplicated of others
[15:57] <ara> skaet, the original ones are "Triaged" and "Won't Fix" (the ones in the release notes) but if you follow the links, the master bugs are Fixed released
[15:57] <ara> in versions contained in the cd
[15:57] <skaet> ara,  thanks.   it was a bit late. ;)
[15:58] <ara> :)
[15:59] <smoser> ok. cjwatson Riddell uec images are now public
[16:01] <newz2000> cjwatson, Riddell: what is the difference between "release notes" and "technical overview?"
[16:02] <Riddell> I've never worked that out
[16:02] <newz2000> that makes me feel so good
[16:02]  * newz2000 isn't the only one
[16:02] <newz2000> Riddell: I'm unconfirming the URLs I confirmed
[16:02] <robbiew> I thought the technical overview WAS the release notes
[16:02] <Riddell> ok
[16:03] <newz2000> for release notes they will be http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010 the technical overview will live on the wiki
[16:03] <newz2000> (wherever it is now)
[16:04] <ScottK> AIUI, technical overview is focused on stuff we meant to have happen, release notes is focused on stuff we didn't.
[16:05] <newz2000> one of them (release notes I think) gets translated into many langs and is available from the installer, so it's the one we want to have on www.u.c (for performance reasons)
[16:05] <cjwatson> yes, we write the release notes separately
[16:05] <cjwatson> compare:
[16:05] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview
[16:05] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes
[16:06] <cjwatson> until quite close to the end of the cycle, the only release notes are embedded in TechnicalOverview, but for final release we split them out
[16:13] <newz2000> Riddell: you can and should use that URL I gave you but it seems the content will live on the wiki
[16:14] <newz2000> There is a mis-configuration in our CMS and I will have the vendor fix it by next week, so advertise http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010
[16:14] <newz2000> that will be the final URL
[16:15] <Riddell> vendor?  ubuntu.com doesn't just use drupal or the like?
[16:15] <newz2000> Riddell: yes, it's drupal but we've had some custom work done by a consultancy
[16:19] <ogasawara> Riddell: just fyi, I've updated the TechnicalOverview with the updated linux kernel bits
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Can't we do anythign about OMG! Ubuntu announcing these releases before they actually happen?
[16:24] <popey> I would recommend speaking to joey, not benjamin
[16:24] <jpds> And not linking to master mirrors; but local country ones, please.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Someone really needs to
[16:28] <popey> this happens with every release, it's always _someone_ who messes up and posts public links to the iso images, you'd just expect omg to have slightly more clue
[16:30] <charlie-tca> That was my thought. People consider them to be an official website, not a blog
[16:30] <popey> people in "wrong" shocker
[16:30] <ScottK> popey: Maybe you'd expect that.
[16:31] <smoser> i'm going to step away right now for an hour or so.
[16:31] <ScottK> (the clue part)
[16:31] <charlie-tca> And to announce as early as they did... They really could wait at least until afternoon
[16:31] <smoser> the only thing left to do for UEC images is update the ami pages.  which i can do when i return.
[16:31] <smoser> (if you've already released... its not a big time critical thing IMO)
[16:31] <popey> charlie-tca: joey is actually quite an outside to ubuntu, omg is very much someone looking in from outside.
[16:31] <popey> e.g. they adopted a CoC and didn't use the Ubuntu one because they thought they weren't allowed.
[16:32] <newz2000> Where are the release notes currently?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> But some of the them are heavily involved in Ubuntu
[16:32] <skaet> thanks ogasawara
[16:32] <popey> charlie-tca: define heavily :)
[16:32] <ScottK> and involved
[16:33] <charlie-tca> maybe it is just the perception?
[16:33] <popey> I know they mean well, just trying to get the 'news' out there, and people lap it up. yes they mess up sometimes, but I don't think Joey ever posts anything with malice.. ben on the other hand..
[16:33]  * charlie-tca hides again
[16:34] <robbiew> newz2000: you mean this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview ?
[16:34] <newz2000> robbiew: I don't think that's what I mean. :-)
[16:35]  * newz2000 subtly references previous conversation about diff between technical overview and release notes
[16:36] <Riddell> newz2000: they're not separate for now
[16:36] <Riddell> only for the final one
[16:36] <newz2000> oh, ok
[16:36] <Riddell> when I hope someone will actually be incharge of prepraring them
[16:36] <newz2000> I need to set a redirect up so that when someone wants to view the release notes (linked from the homepage) they get sent somewhere
[16:37] <newz2000> Somethign to replace this page: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[16:41] <skaet> Riddell,  re: incharge of preparing them,  yup - robbiew and I will decide that later today ;)
[16:43] <robbiew> newz2000: yeah..that's the same content from the Technical Overview
[16:43] <newz2000> robbiew: ok, great, thanks
[16:45]  * robbiew is still editing it though
[16:45] <newz2000> robbiew: would you mind if I create a new heading above "Upgrading…" and make upgrading and downloading a sub-section?
[16:45] <newz2000> or you could do it if you like
[16:45] <newz2000> I'd like to get the call to action above the fold
[16:46] <newz2000> It could say "Get Ubuntu 10.10" or similar
[16:47] <robbiew> newz2000: sure...I'm fine with it.  I'll make the change.
[16:47] <newz2000> great, thanks
[16:57] <robbiew> newz2000: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[16:57] <robbiew> how's that look?
[16:57] <robbiew> (re: the Get Ubuntu 10.10)
[16:57] <robbiew> I'm out of the wiki, so feel free to modify as needed
[16:58] <GrueMaster> skaet: For the release notes:  Upgrading beagle (armel omap) from lucid->maverick can run of of free space if USB drive is 4G or less.
[16:58] <robbiew> GrueMaster: ack..will add
[16:59] <robbiew> GrueMaster: "run OUT of", I assume
[16:59] <skaet> robbiew, ack
[16:59] <GrueMaster> robbiew: yea, that too.
[16:59] <robbiew> GrueMaster: is there a bug that I should mention as well?
[17:00]  * GrueMaster needs more caffeine infusion.
[17:00] <newz2000> robbiew: thanks a unch
[17:00] <GrueMaster> No bug.
[17:00] <robbiew> cool
[17:00] <GrueMaster> Not sure if it is one really.
[17:00] <newz2000> unch = bunch or lunch or brunch depending on if you're hungry or not
[17:01] <robbiew> GrueMaster: sure...just making sure...added
[17:10] <GrueMaster> On a side note, with all the requests to clean up disk space, does lucid-desktop-[ia64|powerpc|powerpc+ps3].* belong in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/20100928/ with maverick images?  Could free up a couple Gb.
[17:12] <Riddell> how curious
[17:16] <robbiew> newz2000: so will we have http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/rc ?
[17:17] <newz2000> robbiew: no, not planned. There will be a link on testing page pointing to /getubuntu/releasenotes/1010
[17:17] <robbiew> basically, what replaces http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta?
[17:18] <robbiew> newz2000: ok
[17:19] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: no, it doesn't.  will remove
[17:20] <cjwatson> previous images get carried over, and this sometimes means that images from the previous release get mistakenly carried over - long-standing minor bug
[17:20] <GrueMaster> oops.  :P
[17:20] <cjwatson> I've checked and it only affects that one tree
[17:21] <cjwatson> nuked
[17:23] <smoser> ok. so i've not seen any release info, and i'm back now. so i can do the ami pages.
[17:24] <slangasek> ScottK: I see kdebase-workspace is gone from the queue, I guess that was accepted rather than rejected?
[17:25] <ScottK> slangasek: It was, but I'd still appreciate it if you'd look at the change.
[17:25] <ScottK> (I didn't accept it and I'm not sure if whoever did was completely upstartified)
[17:26] <robbiew> newz2000: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview is good to go
[17:26] <Riddell> robbiew: I'm off out, I take it you'll send out the announce when the ubuntu.com pages are done?
[17:26] <newz2000> robbiew: ok, any word on when we're ready to "release"
[17:26] <robbiew> Riddell: aye..thank you sir!
[17:27] <slangasek> ScottK: looks good to me - exactly the fix expected based on our experience with gdm
[17:27] <cjwatson> ScottK,slangasek: I accepted it, it seemed to match the gdm change and there was extensive discussion on the bug
[17:27] <cjwatson> which looked broadly correct
[17:27] <ScottK> cjwatson and slangasek; Thanks.
[17:27]  * Riddell updates .htaccess and HEADER.html files
[17:28] <robbiew> newz2000: just need a few more minutes to update the mirror links in the announcement...to point to /rc
[17:28] <newz2000> cool
[17:37] <robbiew> newz2000: done with release announcement...skaet anything else need to be done?
[17:38] <skaet> robbiew, release notes are good.   can I have one more pass on the announce?
[17:38] <robbiew> skaet: sure thing
[17:39] <newz2000> robbiew: if we make the first link point to www.ubuntu.com/testing/download it will bounce them to a mirror near them using geoip
[17:40] <robbiew> newz2000: which first link? :)
[17:40] <newz2000> robbiew: first download link
[17:40]  * newz2000 thinks robbiew needs to work on his mind-reading skills ;-)
[17:40] <robbiew> yep...http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/download (Ubuntu Desktop, Server, and Netbook) is there
[17:41] <robbiew> maybe I should mention that it bounces to a mirror near them using geoup
[17:41] <robbiew> geoip
[17:41] <jpds> "Or, download Ubuntu 10.10 RC; The following link will direct you to a download location near you:"
[17:42] <newz2000> robbiew: sorry, I meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[17:42]  * newz2000 likes jpds wording better than geoip
[17:42] <robbiew> yeah..yeah..I wasn't going to actually say "geoip" ;)
[17:43] <robbiew> newz2000: adding now
[17:44] <newz2000> Do you guys get a moment of dread just before you release this out into the world?
[17:44]  * newz2000 always has violent butterflies in his stomach
[17:45] <robbiew> heh...yeah
[17:45] <robbiew> jpds: I assume you are correcting?
[17:45]  * robbiew didn't want to step on your wiki edit ;)
[17:45] <jpds> robbiew: All yours now.
[18:00] <robbiew> newz2000: I'm out of the wiki..TechnicalOverview is good to go
[18:00] <newz2000> robbiew: are the mirrors ready, should we launch the website?
[18:02] <robbiew> skaet:^
[18:02] <robbiew> I think some were still lagging
[18:02]  * robbiew goes to check again
[18:03] <skaet> when I was checking, some were pointing to beta about minutes ago.
[18:03] <skaet> double check them is good idea.
[18:04] <robbiew> http://ubuntu.saix.net/ubuntu-releases/10.10/ still pointing to beta
[18:04] <skaet> announce still needs a bit more tweaking, but website can start I think.
[18:04] <skaet> without waiting for it, once we know the mirrors are good.
[18:04] <skaet> ;)
[18:05] <robbiew> http://mirrors.sohu.com/ubuntu-releases/10.10/    http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/ubuntu-iso/CDs/10.10/    http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/ubuntu-cd/10.10/    http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/ubuntu-cd/10.10/   all beta
[18:07] <smoser> does anyone mind if I update the AMI pages now ?  I am about to fall over, and need to step away.
[18:08] <robbiew> http://ubuntu.mirrors.proxad.net/10.10/   http://ubuntu.mirrors.proxad.net/10.10/  http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/10.10/   also beta
[18:08] <robbiew> smoser: go ahead
[18:08] <smoser> thank you.
[18:09] <robbiew> newz2000: so both http://cesium.di.uminho.pt/pub/ubuntu/10.10  and  http://mirror.linux.org.au/ubuntu-releases/10.10 don't work
[18:09] <robbiew> :/
[18:09] <newz2000> robbiew: did you get those from www.ubuntu.com/testing/download ?
[18:10] <robbiew> no...from the TO...they were already there
[18:10]  * robbiew hates this listing of the mirrors
[18:10] <newz2000> robbiew: ditch it
[18:10] <newz2000> just use testing/download
[18:11] <robbiew> newz2000: aye...btw, I meant the ReleaseAnnouncement...TO is fine
[18:11] <robbiew> skaet ^^^^
[18:11] <robbiew> since you are still in the announcement
[18:11] <robbiew> maybe we should just leave the mirrors out
[18:11] <robbiew> and let the link do it's job
[18:12] <newz2000> more choices is not more good
[18:12] <robbiew> right
[18:12] <skaet> robbiew, yeah,  I tend to agree at this point.
[18:12] <newz2000> disclaimer: during the first hour it can be hit and miss
[18:13] <smoser> ami pages updated. uec images are "done". http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/rc/
[18:14] <skaet> robbiew, newz2000  so, should I just strike out section "Or, choose the mirror closest to you:" ?
[18:14] <ScottK> It's Gnome, of course more choices aren't good.
[18:14] <ScottK> ;-)
[18:14] <robbiew> yes
[18:14] <newz2000> skaet: imho, yes
[18:14] <robbiew> ScottK: hush...lol
[18:14] <skaet> robbiew, newz2000 doing it now.
[18:14] <robbiew> smoser: ack, thnx
[18:17] <skaet> bit torrent comment at the end - goes too?
[18:17] <robbiew> yeah
[18:19] <robbiew> skaet: oh..wait, I thought you meant something else...that can stay
[18:19] <robbiew> sorry
[18:19] <robbiew> "Please download using Bittorrent if possible."  seems fine to me
[18:19] <skaet> heh,  no worries.   will just put it back.
[18:21] <robbiew> newz2000:  go ahead and flip the website
[18:22] <newz2000> \o/
[18:23] <skaet> robbiew,  am out.   do one more quick scan, and pronounce the blessing (if appropriate)
[18:23] <robbiew> newz2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLFYx6xlhB0
[18:23] <robbiew> skaet: aye
[18:24] <newz2000> this is it
[18:24] <skaet> it is what it is...
[18:24] <newz2000> oops, should have watched the whole thing
[18:25] <newz2000> ok, it's live
[18:25]  * skaet \o/
[18:30] <stgraber> newz2000: is the redirection to wiki.ubuntu.com the wanted behaviour when you click on that RC banner ?
[18:30] <newz2000> stgraber: yes, for now
[18:44]  * robbiew sends out the announcement
[18:45] <marjo__> robbiew: thx
[19:01] <GrueMaster> Is there an actual image for kubuntu-netbook on armel?  I see kubuntu-mobile (which really looks cool btw) and Kubuntu-preinstalled-desktop, but not netbook.
[19:01] <ScottK> GrueMaster: No separate netbook image anymore.  It's part of desktop now.
[19:02] <ScottK> GrueMaster: If your display is less than 700 pixels high, you have a battery, and no CD drive, you get netbook on first run (and there's a kcm for easy switching).
[19:02] <GrueMaster> Ok, so http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4597 should be kubuntu-desktop?
[19:02] <ScottK> Looking
[19:03] <ScottK> GrueMaster: Yes.
[19:03] <ScottK> stgraber: Can you fix ^^^
[19:03] <GrueMaster> Let me know when it is fixed and I will fill in the appropriate info.
[19:04] <GrueMaster> And kubuntu-mobile is not part of the release testing, right?  Looks cool so far, but also has a ways to go.
[19:05] <ScottK> GrueMaster: It's a tech preview, so doesn't need any official testing, but if you get a chance to look at it, it would be appreciated.
[19:05] <GrueMaster> Have it running now, hence the comments.
[19:06] <GrueMaster> On omap4 btw.
[19:06] <ScottK> Cool.
[19:06] <ScottK> Actually there may have been a test case for mobile.
[19:07] <ScottK> Interesting.  Just i386.
[19:08] <ScottK> GrueMaster: You might report a result for the i386 kubuntu-mobile test and mention in comments what you're actually testing on, so we have a record.
[19:08] <GrueMaster> Someone should probably review the testcases prior to next week release testing.  I see imx51 on the list for netboot and it is not supported.
[19:09] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Or I could just add an omap4 test and report there.  For the most part, it has the same issues as all the other images (sound mainly).
[19:09] <ScottK> Right.
[19:09] <ScottK> However you think best.
[19:10] <GrueMaster> prefer to keep arch results separate.  And I am seeing an issue on omap, but I am reflashing and will retry.  Missing perl lib.
[19:18] <newz2000> robbiew: I like your release announcement, it's great, but it leaves me with one lingering question...
[19:18] <newz2000> Is it web scale?
[19:18] <robbiew> huh?  you mean the <<BR>> cruft?
[19:18] <newz2000> no, Ubuntu. Is it web scale?
[19:19] <newz2000> (sorry, obscure reference to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs )
[19:20] <robbiew> ah
[19:20] <robbiew> lol
[19:20] <robbiew> newz2000: gotcha
[19:22]  * nigelb hugs robbiew 
[19:23] <robbiew> nigelb: :)
[19:23] <nigelb> That was like *awesome* mail about RC.  Love the THGTTG reference :)
[19:23] <nigelb> You should copy and paste less often :p
[19:24] <nigelb> The originals are more aweome
[19:24] <robbiew> nigelb: heh...tell me about it...kept the damn <<BR>> cut and pastes at the bottom so folks know I sent the announcement :/
[19:25] <nigelb> haha
[19:52] <\sh> newz2000: put a copy on another server...youtube says, there is content of comcast in it...krauts are not able to watch it ;)
[19:53] <newz2000> \sh: I didn't make that unfortunately, it was one of those viral videos going around a few weeks ago
[19:53] <newz2000> I'm really surprised it was blocked, it's got some bad language but otherwise no music or photos or anything that might upset someone
[19:54] <newz2000> \sh: just google for "mongodb web scale" and I'm sure you'll find a copy
[20:20] <ScottK> robbiew: I just accepted ubuntu-artwork, so the font change is in.
[20:21] <robbiew> ScottK: thnx...heh...but I think kenvandine needs to resubmit with a change to the font size
[20:21] <ScottK> robbiew: It was 10 point in what I accepted.  Is that wrong?
[20:21] <kenvandine> ScottK, we are just discussing that now
[20:22] <ScottK> OK.
[20:22] <kenvandine> i think it will get bumped to 10.5 or 11
[20:22] <kenvandine> ubuntu is a little smaller than sans
[20:22] <ScottK> OK.  In general if there's stuff in the queue that shouldn't be processed, it's worth a mention.
[20:22] <kenvandine> ScottK, yeah... this just came up :)
[20:22] <kenvandine> sorry
[20:28] <Riddell> announce not gone out yet?
[20:30] <ScottK> Yes
[20:31] <kenvandine> ScottK, i just uploaded a new ubuntu-artwork changing it to 11, sorry for the repeat work
[20:32] <skaet> Riddell,  robbiew sent out about an hour ago on ubuntu-devel-announce, and ubuntu-announce.
[20:34] <robbiew> and the releases blog...and on LP :)
[20:34] <ScottK> kenvandine: No problem.  I'll look at it in a moment.
[20:35] <kenvandine> ScottK, thx
[20:35] <ScottK> Don't see it in unapproved yet.
[20:37] <kenvandine> ScottK, a little lag there i guess...
[20:38] <ScottK> Yep.  It arrived.  Now I'm waiting for the diff.
[20:38] <ScottK> Also Riddell's liblastfm upload was 12 seconds ahead of yours, so you'll need to get in line ...
[20:39] <kenvandine> hehe
[20:40] <ScottK> kenvandine and robbiew: Accepted.
[20:41] <ScottK> That should make the same publisher run as the first one, so no one will actually get the one with the wrong size.
[20:41] <robbiew> ScottK: thnx
[20:42] <kenvandine> ScottK, thx!
[20:42] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[22:35] <robbiew> skaet: FYI -> 630748
[22:35] <robbiew> bah
[22:35] <robbiew> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/630748
[22:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 630748 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "iwlagn degrades quickly during normal wifi session (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed]
[22:36] <skaet> robbiew,  yeah I came in part way through the thread on ubuntu-kernel.
[22:36] <robbiew> chatting in #ubuntu-kernel about it...fix isn't out, but a suitable workaround is available
[22:36] <robbiew> cool
[22:36] <skaet> am adding it to the agenda.
[22:36] <robbiew> skaet: added to ubuntu-release-notes also
[22:36] <skaet> right now as well, so it keeps on the radar.
[22:36] <robbiew> ack
[22:37] <skaet> yup, saw thatand was tempted to send you a big :D
[22:37] <ScottK> We need to figure out a different name for our "Release Candidate" milestone because what we are producing is not (and never has been) what most people thing the term release candidate means.
[22:38] <robbiew> how so?  we don't change much between the RC and release
[22:38] <doko> robbiew: we don't have a 4.4.5 final GCC release, so maybe it's better to talk about 4.4.4, or you'll see the 4.4.5 final gcc in the unapproved queue tomorrow ...
[22:39] <robbiew> ~$ gcc --version
[22:39] <robbiew> gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-14ubuntu5) 4.4.5
[22:39] <doko> don't say that I won't deliver what the release notes say ...
[22:39] <robbiew> well THAT is a but misleading, imo
[22:40] <doko> it is, it's a merge error, but I didn't want to change that again. the kernel folk are a bit jumpy about it
[22:40] <robbiew> well hell...I guess it's your fault ;)
[22:40] <robbiew> I'll make the change back for the final release
[22:42] <doko> thanks
[22:42] <ScottK> robbiew: I generally think of a RC as "The thing we'll release unless something comes up".
[22:43] <ScottK> I don't think Ubuntu RCs have ever been anywhere near that.
[22:43] <doko> otoh, the package is much closer to 4.4.5 than 4.4.4
[22:43] <robbiew> doko: shut up
[22:43] <robbiew> lol
[22:43] <ScottK> Uploading a new Gnome version between RC and final isn't particularly RCish.
[22:43] <robbiew> ScottK: agree with that
[22:44] <seb128> we didn't do that
[22:44] <seb128> we uploaded a few tarballs with translation updates only
[22:44] <ScottK> Ah, OK.
[22:44] <seb128> we got most of the new GNOME in on monday before RC
[22:44] <ScottK> I just saw a lot of Gnome stuff with new version numbers.
[22:44] <ScottK> That's not so bad then.
[22:44] <seb128> right .92 to .0
[22:44] <robbiew> ;)
[22:44] <ScottK> Ah.
[22:44] <seb128> GNOME is code frozen between those
[22:44] <ScottK> OK.
[22:45] <robbiew> ScottK: yeah....I agree that the RC should be the RC (so to speak)
[22:45] <seb128> so it's bug fixes which deservers a freeze exception and translation updates
[22:45] <Riddell> I agree to the gnome updates since I think if I was an upstream I'd want the .0 version shipped so I'd be confident when people report bugs that it's the same version released
[22:45] <seb128> but yeah, we got bitten by the timing due to 10.10.10
[22:45] <robbiew> I wonder who decided that?
[22:45] <robbiew> heh
[22:45] <ScottK> robbiew: This was going to be the cycle where we stuck to the milestones ....
[22:45] <seb128> ;-)
[22:46] <robbiew> it was? I thought it was the cycle we did everything cowboy-ish because it was Maverick
[22:46] <robbiew> :D
[22:47] <robbiew> I'm telling you...just remember the 3 sentences of life...and it will all be OKAY
[22:47] <robbiew> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLFYx6xlhB0
[22:48] <ogra> ScottK, sorry, i wasnt clear in the bug, devmem2 is a hard dep of the omap GL drivers packages
[22:48]  * ogra adds that to the bug
[22:48] <ogra> oh, ricardo did already
[22:48] <ScottK> ogra: OK.  In that case if you can find an archive admin with time to review, I think it's fine.
[22:49] <ogra> i'll try, thanks (it will help plasma on omap massively)
[23:52]  * \sh has a dream...ogra and something kde related..