[00:11] <ScottL> TheMuso, i have not, i doubt anyone else but quadrispro or persia would do such a thing
[00:11] <TheMuso> ok
[00:12] <ScottL> anyone interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox
[00:12] <ScottL> ignore the beginners graphic box at first, look at the ubuntu studio one below it :)
[00:12] <ScottL> i'd like to make a header like this for thw w.u.c. for ubuntu studio
[00:13] <ScottL> i'm using the first graphic (beginners team) as a template
[00:50] <ScottL> huh, i thought somebody would like the header graphic at the sandbox page :(
[00:58] <persia> You don't even know if anyone looked at the page yet :p
[00:58]  * persia thinks the header is a bit busy
[00:59] <persia> Compare https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Header (yeah, I should do something with that team)
[01:01] <persia> Or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Menu (and yeah, that team too.  One of these days I'll be caught up with my TODOs again)
[01:03] <persia> Content still needs cleanup (nice to stick logs on other pages for reference, but not being main content; needs general review/cleanup so a Table of Contents reads sensibly; etc.)
[01:04] <persia> ScottL, Als, Riddell was asking about publication in -release for other flavours: you may want to pipe up there.
[01:04] <persia> s/Als/Also/
[01:18] <ScottL> persia, what am i contacting riddell about in -release?
[01:18] <persia> publication of RCs (if we're ready)
[01:18] <ScottL> ah, will do
[01:18] <persia> He'll explain in more detail than I understand if you ask.
[01:20] <ScottL> persia, the header is rather busy, i agree...i'm just using it to get started, using the code :)
[01:20] <ScottL> i'm still knocking it up mind you
[01:21] <persia> Heh, OK.
[01:39] <ScottL> persia, crisis averted ;) lol
[01:40] <ScottL> so what happened during lucid?  who signed off then
[01:40] <persia> luisbg
[01:40] <persia> Or maybe Luke did, I may misremember.
[02:04] <ScottL> persia, i spoke with doctormo about his wizardpen package, it hasn't been promoted into the archives and he hasn't filed a bug to do so either
[02:05] <ScottL> i thought that i would speak with quadrispro first to see if it can get into debian, but if not, i'll file a bug for it and see about getting it into REVU
[02:05] <persia> OK.  There's also some guide to "make Wacom work" that points at his PPA.
[02:06] <ScottL> i did tell him that we would really like it in ubuntu studio, and it would therefore need to be in the archives before we could do that
[02:06] <persia> I'll be seeing him in ~3 weeks, and will push on that idea some more.
[02:06] <ScottL> do you know how well the wacom-tools package works?
[02:06] <ScottL> what's happening in ~3 weeks?
[02:07] <persia> Nope.  I haven't yet gotten enough desire to find out to get a Wacom :)
[02:07] <ScottL> i'll try to keep reinforcing to him about getting it into the archives as well
[02:07] <persia> UDS
[02:07] <ScottL> oh yeah, duh :s
[02:10] <holstein> hmmm
[02:10]  * holstein has a wacom tablet
[02:10] <holstein> an older one
[02:11] <holstein> im not even sure if i would know if it was working properly though
[02:11] <ScottL> lol
[07:51]  * abogani waves
[07:52] <astraljava> o/
[07:53] <abogani> Who is Ralf Mardorf?
[07:54] <abogani> Is he already know person inside Studio project or Ubuntu?
[07:54] <astraljava> No idea, but saw his post just a while back.
[07:55] <astraljava> LP doesn't really know him.
[07:56] <astraljava> Seems to be pretty vocal on audio-related projects all over the 'net.
[07:58] <abogani> Perhaps I misunderstood his email but he seems a troll to me.
[07:59] <astraljava> I didn't get that impression. He just seems to be pretty serious about the latency, and knows what can affect that on a system.
[08:00] <persia> Trick is balance of latency and featureset, which gets extra-complicated quickly.
[15:49] <astraljava> All amd64 tests completed successfully.
[16:10] <scott-work> awesome!
[19:29] <scott-work> *sigh* hopefully soon, people will understand why we understand the -rt kernel is valuable, why we can't offer it in the ISO, andthat we are trying to provide the best solution for users as we can
[19:30] <astraljava> Normally, people have limited understanding for middle-ground. It's one way or the other.
[19:30] <scott-work> and i also appreciate ronj and rlameiro for jumping in the discussion on the mailing list
[19:30] <scott-work> astraljava: true
[19:30] <scott-work> astraljava: i think you were involved in one of the other kernel threads, thank you as well
[19:31] <scott-work> it's frustrating at times, i got the sense that Ralf expected we just chose to remove the -rt kernels by choice, without warrant
[19:31] <astraljava> scott-work: No need to thank, I just offered my limited resources for the process of providing a lower-latency kernel, whichever is to be decided on.
[19:31] <astraljava> scott-work: Seemed that way at one point, yeah.
[19:32] <scott-work> as if  we made such a gross change without intellectual consideration
[19:32] <scott-work> i hope this email helps that
[19:32] <astraljava> True.
[19:38] <scott-work> this would be a good topic for the help.u.c. FAQ
[19:39] <scott-work> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/FAQ
[19:39] <astraljava> Sure would.
[19:39] <holstein> i think abogani said it best
[19:39] <holstein> when he called for assistance maintaining the PPA
[19:40] <holstein> you can find just as many folk upset about the devices that didnt work with the RT kernel i bet
[19:40] <holstein> or something RT related in a negative
[19:54] <scott-work> i'm very happy that people are stepping up and offering to help
[19:55] <scott-work> how that translates into how many people that actually help is to be seen, i guess
[19:56] <scott-work> i know i would like to learn a little (or more) about how a -lowlatency kernel is compiled from the -generic
[19:56] <scott-work> maybe abogani can write something up to help that
[20:00] <holstein> and i think that should be mentioned as well
[20:00] <holstein> the pro user might just want to make their own kernel anyways
[20:01] <holstein> but nothing is really any different than before
[20:01] <holstein> if the PPA keeps going
[20:01] <holstein> and it thats well documented
[20:01] <holstein> i think it will eventually be seen as a win-win
[20:11] <scott-work> i hope that Ralf's influenze is clouding his thinking
[20:14] <scott-work> he seems to not understand that it simply may not be possible to ship the -rt kernel
[20:15] <scott-work> and seems rather fixated on it being available, to the exclusion that ubuntu studio is worthless without it
[20:21] <holstein> yeah
[20:21] <holstein> drop the hammer
[20:21] <holstein> start a new thread
[20:21] <holstein> 'the RT gospel'
[20:22] <holstein> it is *gone*
[20:22] <holstein> BUT available here 
[20:29] <scott-work> maybe he just needs validation before he moves forward :)
[21:01] <dholbach> hiya
[21:01] <dholbach> did we hear any general problems about alsa xruns?
[21:01] <dholbach> (10.10)
[21:58] <scott-work> hi dholbach 
[21:58] <scott-work> xruns with jackd?
[21:59] <scott-work> i haven't heard anything specific...just the usual general rumblings about kernels, performance and hardware
[21:59] <scott-work> that certainly isn't proof that people have not been experiencing it
[22:00] <dholbach> no, no jack problem
[22:07] <dholbach> ok, I'm having problems with xwax and alsa xruns
[22:26] <holstein> hey rlameiro :)
[22:27] <dholbach> alright, I'm heading out - see you
[22:27] <holstein> dholbach: laterz
[22:28] <rlameiro> cya
[22:28] <rlameiro> holstein: :D
[22:28] <rlameiro> how are you?
[22:28] <holstein> good
[22:28]  * holstein experimenting with jacktrip and netjack a bit today
[22:28] <rlameiro> good
[22:29] <holstein> giving up for now
[22:29] <rlameiro> scott-work: hey :D
[22:29] <rlameiro> mailing list is on fire :D
[22:29] <holstein> right?
[22:29] <holstein> RT warz ;
[22:29] <holstein> )
[22:29] <rlameiro> finally people care about something
[22:29] <rlameiro> thats a good sign
[22:29] <holstein> yeah, im glad to see the activiyty
[22:30] <holstein> SO rlameiro , this VO
[22:30] <holstein> ill totally do an english one
[22:30] <holstein> but i think you should do one as well
[22:30] <rlameiro> yes?
[22:31] <rlameiro> will you record over, o make a new one?
[22:31] <holstein> i think i'll just say 'choose your language'
[22:31] <holstein> something like that
[22:31] <rlameiro> yes
[22:31] <holstein> the installer is in english anyways
[22:31] <rlameiro> the idea is to explain more how the install works
[22:31] <holstein> right?
[22:31] <rlameiro> saying, that you can use the tab key to change to the buttons
[22:32] <holstein> i think it would be nice to have this video with as many languages as possible over it
[22:32] <rlameiro> explain the partition stuff etc
[22:32] <holstein> we can get somebody to do 'austrailian' ;)
[22:32] <rlameiro> yeah, i can dub it in portuguese, its not a problem
[22:32] <holstein> we should be able to find a spanish speaker easy enough
[22:33] <rlameiro> yeah, i think so
[22:33] <rlameiro> and also french
[22:33] <holstein> theres a couple regular germans in OSMP
[22:33] <rlameiro> can be canadian too
[22:33] <holstein> hehe
[22:34] <holstein> rlameiro: whats the time frame for you?
[22:34] <holstein> you want this before maverick is final right?
[22:34] <rlameiro> yeap :D
[22:34] <holstein> i'll try and get a version to you before next week
[22:35] <holstein> what was the video syncing jack app you mentioned?
[22:35] <holstein> i lost my scroll back :/
[22:35] <rlameiro> Xjadeo
[22:35] <rlameiro> you have it in ubuntu studio menu
[22:35] <rlameiro> but you should use cli :D
[22:36] <holstein> i'll see what i can do :)