[01:23] <highvoltage> jappiecr: hmm... not that familiar with sabayon to be honest. hang around I'll see if I can find Scott on jabber who might be able to help...
[04:45] <jappiecr> highvoltage, thanks that would be great!
[04:54] <highvoltage> jappiecr: I haven't seen him on jabber tonight :(
[04:58] <jappiecr> highvoltage: ok...maybe tomorrow, he!? Thanks!
[04:59] <jappiecr> bbl
[05:25] <jappiecr> highvoltage, if you se jabber can u also tell him that the profile editor is extremely slow and while my initial profiles were saved, now it appears that they do now get updated. I treid a restart but still slow and changes are not saved (but not warning is given about this)...thanx in advance!
[13:47] <jappiecr> My profile and menu editors seems not be working very smoothly. I know they come standard in Edubuntu so Is it save to remove them and reinstall them_
[14:07] <docente> Hi, anyone knowns something about Glib-WARNING error on thin clients with LTSP?
[14:14] <jappiecr> docente, Does it say "unknow user id"? happens to me from time to time. Suposingly is not so important...
[14:20] <docente> hi, jappiercr. yes, but to me is really annoying because thin clients boot enters  in a loop and the client cant open the session.
[14:24] <docente> I'd been reading and maybe is caused by plymouth. I deactivated it on server but i don't  know how to make it on clients.
[14:26] <jappiecr> Docente, I am not an expert, but I ran into same problems. With me it had to do with equipent; I started testing with old Dell laptops and drove me crazy. When I tried  booting my new laptop PXE and use it as thin clients, everything worked perfect. Turned out that for the older equipment I had to configure the lts.conf file
[14:26] <jappiecr>  to specify color depth and resolution and this solved it for me.
[14:27] <docente> yes this Dell are kicking my head.
[14:27] <jappiecr> docente, check this out: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/customizing-thin-client.html It telles how to customize thin clients per MAC address
[14:29] <jappiecr> If you have a newer laptop or pc, try to boot this one first and see if you still have the same problem. My guess is that it might work just fine on newer machines. If this is the case, it is just a matter of trying some configurations in the lts.conf file...
[14:29] <docente> what video parameters worked to you?
[14:33] <jappiecr> docente, I had to lower color dept to 8 and screen resolution to 800x600. to first to get it to work. I am workking with very old and mostly damaged equipment, so I have an old laptops where screens don;t work, so I have attach monitors, or keyboards don't work, etc so it is quit a bit of work.
[14:35] <jappiecr> docente, I just remember that it also had  something to do with decativating Compis, but do a google for this. This was the magic trick, actually! So try this first
[14:39] <jappiecr> docente, I have to go now. I suggest to ask in #ltsp also. This is really the place to ask about thin clients and such...good luck!
[14:41] <docente> I don't have visual efects activated, so I will take note of yours suggestions to make this boxes works the crazy thing is that with 8.04 worked fine but we are probing a massive deployment of 10.04 on many public schools in my country. those Dells are reallly annoying
[14:42] <docente> thanks jappiecr
[15:36] <docente> educar
[18:53] <TheProf> Hello.  I hope everyone is well. Question - can Edubuntu be installed but not by using a DVD or USB?  Our server only has a CD drive and the BIOS does not allow USB booting.  Any recommendations - I'm very exciting to test out the new version of Edubuntu
[18:54] <alkisg>  You can use the plop boot manager to boot from a usb stick on machines where the bios doesn't allow usb booting.
[18:55] <alkisg> Also, you can install edubuntu via the local network, if another pc there boots the edubuntu live cd and shares it
[18:55] <alkisg> Finally, you can install the ubuntu cd and install "edubuntu-desktop" afterwards from the net
[18:56] <alkisg> Out of curiosity, how much RAM does your server have?
[18:56] <TheProf> alkisg: Hello. The feature I am most keen about is the LTSP integration.  If I use your third recommendation with the Ubuntu CD and install edubuntu-desktop, would that correctly install the LTSP features.
[18:57] <TheProf> the server has 3 or 4 GB ram - haven't booted it up recently
[18:57] <alkisg> Wow, and only a CD drive? I've never seen that combination... :)
[18:57] <TheProf> yeah I know :)
[18:57] <alkisg> No, you'd need to install ubuntu+ltsp from the alternate cd and install edubuntu-desktop afterwards
[18:57] <TheProf> I was able to install the stock Ubuntu from the regular CD a version or so ago to test it and that worked.
[18:58] <alkisg> I think your best route then is to use the plop boot manager and boot edubuntu from a usb stick.
[18:58] <TheProf> Maybe the plop boot manager is a better option.
[18:58] <TheProf> OK :)
[18:59] <alkisg> If the server is recent enough, it's possible that it supports usb booting, and it just doesn't have an option for it on BIOS, you can then boot a usb stick directly from grub
[19:00] <alkisg> E.g. get to a grub shell and run : root (hd1,0) and then chainloader +1
[19:00] <TheProf> I spent some time looking at the details of the server (HP Proliant DL360 G3) and it doesn't seem to have USB booting as a feature
[19:01] <alkisg> It doesn't matter, the grub trick might still work
[19:01] <TheProf> ah - found the RAM - sorry it has 2 GB RAM, 2x2.28Ghz P4 Xeon processors.
[19:02] <alkisg> Do you have grub installed on it?
[19:02] <TheProf> I've got a full basic Ubuntu installation. I believe Grub is installed by default, no?
[19:02] <alkisg> If so, get a grub shell, type: root (hd       and press tab twice. If the bios enables grub to "see" the usb stick, you can then boot from it
[19:03] <alkisg> (you'll see it giving some autocompletion proposals, like "hd0 hd1" so hd1 is your stick)
[19:03] <TheProf> And it would then just over-write itself during the bootup?
[19:04] <alkisg> No, it won't write anything when the usb boots
[19:04] <TheProf> sorry i meant during installation
[19:04] <alkisg> If you install edubuntu afterwards, sure, it'll overwrite itself as usual
[19:04] <TheProf> but by then it would be fine running off the usb stuck
[19:04] <TheProf> OK I understand
[19:04] <alkisg> But plop will also work, whichever seems easier to you...
[19:06] <TheProf> That's great news.  Thanks so very much.  I'll give it a try. A related question - is the process of installing edubuntu on the USB destructive to the data on the stick?
[19:06] <alkisg> (plop also loads some basic usb "drivers", so it usually works even on older computers)
[19:06] <alkisg> If the usb stick is already format with vfat, then no, it doesn't delete the existing data
[19:06] <alkisg> (unless you tell it to)
[19:07] <TheProf> perfect
[19:07] <TheProf> This is pretty awesome. Been using a Fedora-based LTSP for several years now, just looking to upgrade.
[19:09] <TheProf> Do you recommend I wait the 9 days until the final release comes out or will the beta upgrade to that release when it is done?
[19:10] <alkisg> Erm, not sure, I'll be using 10.04 for the next 2 years for my classrooms myself.
[19:11] <alkisg> I like the LTS stability + 2 years upgrade path better
[19:12] <TheProf> That does make sense yes
[19:12] <alkisg> (even though Lucid isn't the most stable LTS release of them all... :D)
[19:13] <TheProf> I'm not yet familiar with Ubuntu to know all the differences :)
[19:14] <alkisg> How was the fedora+ltsp combination the last years? I think LTSP was a little unmaintained on fedora?
[19:18] <TheProf> It was rock-solid, turn-key up til Fedora 10.  After that I believe the maintainer(s) got busy and were unable to follow-up, and we're now on Fedora 13 going into Fedora 14
[19:20] <TheProf> I've been running the Fedora 10+LTSP way past it's EOL but at this point there are too many issues that I need to update it.  I believe some people took over the maintenance of it but it's not yet at the "pop in ISO and hit install" level it was so I thought to try this out.
[21:08] <alkisg> "...the background of the Edubuntu Ubiquity Slideshow happens to be #424242." hehe nice one highvoltage :)
[21:14] <dgroos> What should I consider when I decide whether or not to copy the /etc/apt/ from my server to my chroot?  Or, can I consider nothing and just do it :)
[21:17] <dgroos> !chroot
[21:22] <dgroos> That link didn't help either...
[21:23] <alkisg> dgroos: just think of the programs you need installed to your chroot, then you'll know which sources you want there...
[21:26] <dgroos> OK, so I now know which source. list and d.list.source files.  Do I just copy these files?  There are no other conf files or scripts or other kind of dependency in any of the other folders in the /etc/apt folder?
[21:27] <alkisg> Don't copy the whole apt folder, there's no reason to do so
[21:28] <alkisg> It has settings there that you don't want to blindly copy
[21:28] <alkisg> Just copy sources.list  and/or sources.list.d
[21:28] <dgroos> Thanks alkisg.