[00:16] <JontheEchidna> this pisses me off to no end: http://imgur.com/eimg6
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> I created a new image exactly the same size as what I selected from the source image, but gimp #@@!'s it up
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> so, all wiki images replaced except for the maverick-netbook.png/wee variant and the ubiquity images, for which I am downloading the latest CD image
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> k-d-s changing default font in approval queue, going to to gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> erm, please reject k-d-s. It only affected the General font, and the rest of the non-monowidth fonts are sans serif
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, Riddell^
[00:45] <JontheEchidna> gtk2-engines-qtcurve should be good, though
[01:03] <lex79> JontheEchidna: did you change something in gtk2-engines-qtcurve?
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> lex79: patched the kdeglobals
[01:03] <lex79> just curiosity
[01:04] <lex79> oh neat
[01:05] <lex79> if you can also update the bzr branch since we can't sync anymore the package now...
[01:39] <lex79> why kpackagekit checks update weekly and not daily?
[01:40] <lex79> from the kubuntu feedback page
[01:47] <maco> Riddell: i think debfx was just saying that to make qtcurve do the right thing, we set the font in its package instead of using the modifications i did in k-d-s
[01:48] <jjesse-netbook> this is interesting doing a full upgrade with muon and not getting a process indicator, so do i just wait ?
[02:44] <dantti> lex79: does it check at all? afaik there are patches disabling it..
[02:49] <Sput> Riddell: don't worry, I a) know exactly that Gentoo is superior, b) know that I can install a full system within a day with spending like 5 minutes at the computer, and c) know that I save soooo much time because updates don't break and configuration is much more easier because I don't need to use random GUI tools, and d) don't really care what others use, as I'm fully aware of me being a crazy person that's incompatible to binary distros :)
[02:50] <nigelb> lol
[03:02] <Sput> I'm certainly not gonna leave because of some bashing :)
[03:04] <lex79> dantti: kpk here in my installation checks update weekly and it's confirmed by the last comment there: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RC/Kubuntu/Feedback
[03:07] <dantti> lex79: funny the page says he was using KPackageKit since '06 but I started to write in in 2008 :P
[03:07] <dantti> s/in/it
[03:08] <lex79> that is another comment I think from another user
[03:08] <lex79> there's this patch btw kubuntu_06_no_automatic_updates.diff
[03:09] <dantti> well anyway would be good to see what Riddell thinks about this, since the combo to select the updates interval is hidden by some patch
[03:11] <lex79> the combo to select the updates? it's not hidden here
[03:11] <lex79> http://imagebin.ca/view/cx0Kndw.html
[03:12] <dantti> hmm I think they were hidden :P
[03:13] <lex79> :)
[03:13] <dantti> well the default can be easily changed, but I guess Riddell would be better to answear that
[03:13] <lex79> ok
[03:14] <dantti> I have to go work late night now :( cya
[03:34] <shadeslayer> what? Huh?
[03:34] <shadeslayer> i wasnt working on liblastfm
[03:34] <shadeslayer> IIRC lex79 was
[03:34] <lex79> nope
[03:35] <shadeslayer> i didnt take it up surely
[03:35] <shadeslayer> i have kdelibs merge and another bug to fix first :P
[03:35] <shadeslayer> also, im off to college, its 8 AM already :D
[03:35] <lex79> liblastfm is already uploaded anyway
[03:35] <lex79> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liblastfm/0.4.0~really0.3.3-0ubuntu1
[03:35] <shadeslayer> ok....
[04:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm going to reject your k-d-s as requested.
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[04:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You might also look at the amount of hinting.  Ubuntu, IIRC, went with Slight and there was pushback about doing more.
[04:20] <ScottK> No problem.
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> pushback, as in slight being too much?
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> or pushback about the hinting *not* being stronger?
[04:22] <ScottK> About not doing more.
[04:23] <ScottK> Discussion is in Bug 629622
[04:23] <ScottK> qapt accepted, BTW.
[04:23] <ScottK> skrooge too
[04:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Also they bumped to 11 point because 10 point is smaller in the Ubuntu font than in whatever it's replacing.
[04:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Does gtk2-engines-qtcurve need to be rejected too?
[04:26] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: no, that's fine. It's actually what made me catch the k-d-s bug
[04:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  I'll let it sit until there's a new k-d-s to go with it.
[04:27] <JontheEchidna> I'm afraid I let myself get distracted with FTBFS fixing ;-)
[04:28] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: BTW, there's no need to wait for the reject before re-uploading.  The queue can hold more than one package of the same version in unapproved.  Just only one can ever make it in.
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> aah, ok
[04:29] <JontheEchidna> once I finish up with ktoon I'll get back to k-d-s
[04:30] <ScottK> Cool.
[04:32] <ScottK> BTW, chromium and KDE should be able to agree that it's the default browser in Maverick again.  FTA backported some stuff to make that possible today.
[04:32] <JontheEchidna> nice. I told it to stop asking me
[04:36] <JontheEchidna> I, personally bumped my font settings up from 8 to 8.5 when I switched to the Ubuntu font
[04:36] <JontheEchidna> stray , in there
[04:36] <JontheEchidna> we default to 9 point currently
[04:38] <JontheEchidna> I think 9 looks fine: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RC/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=view
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> hmm, that link probably won't work
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RC/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kpk4.png
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> but we can bump things up by one if there is a need
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> If we make this the last upload of k-d-s, it'll be k-d-s 1:10.10ubuntu10
[04:49] <JontheEchidna> turns out we're already using medium hinting
[04:50] <CIA-116> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101001035053-al69ml646rrag5l2 * (debian/changelog debian/control share/config/kdeglobals) * Switch to the Ubuntu font as the default font, as approved by the Kubuntu Council * Add a dependency on ttf-ubuntu-font-family for the above
[05:00] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1181452 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (2 files in 2 dirs) SVN_SILENT: Krazy2 fixes
[05:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Both accepted.
[07:34] <markey> is this bad:
[07:34] <markey> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[07:54] <jussi> Hrm, bug 651050 affects me, on a normal kubuntu install, but has been marked as invalid. what to do? 
[08:05] <markey> thanks for LibLastFM update, seems to work fine :)
[08:17] <yao_ziyuan> when you release an alpha or beta, you're supposed to build apps with more debugging information, and therefore they would run slower than a final release, right?
[08:19] <Riddell> one can do
[08:22] <yao_ziyuan> thanks
[08:32] <agateau> Riddell: morning, this is your daily reminder for https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/plasma-widget-message-indicator/fix-text-overlap-in-systemtray/+merge/37106 :)
[08:32] <Riddell> yep, I'll get onto that momentarily, thanks agateau 
[08:32] <agateau> Riddell: great
[08:33] <apachelogger> yay, it is always a good thing to start a new semester with calculus \o/
[08:33] <apachelogger> I will derive!
[08:34] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9dpTTpjymE
[08:35]  * ulysses passed calulus 1 and 2 \o/
[08:37] <apachelogger> ulysses: congrats
[08:38] <ulysses> 2 years ago, in my first year
[08:38] <apachelogger> ulysses: still congratuatable, no?
[08:38] <ulysses> yes, some of my friends still doing it
[08:39] <apachelogger> maybe they like it so much, I personally do
[08:39] <ulysses> :D
[08:39] <apachelogger> not that I would be paritcularly good at it, but I like it ;)
[08:40]  * apachelogger builds his own vlc thinking that maybe the packages might be what broke his paintaing code so badly
[08:56] <ulysses> Beautiful: http://imagebin.ca/img/D4HbWF9.png
[09:04] <valorie> good lord, what is that?
[09:04] <valorie> eek
[09:05] <ulysses> Kubuntu 10.10 RC in Virtualbox, right after installing guest additions
[09:05] <persia> Is that some sort of AA rendering environment?
[09:06] <valorie> wow
[09:06] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus!
[09:06] <valorie> looks like a nightmare
[09:06]  * persia is impressed that aalib can handle that sort of environment
[09:13] <Mamarok> ulysses: beautiful is different, but nice POC
[09:13] <Mamarok> too many colors in the text, though, makes it unreadable
[09:16] <debfx> ulysses: how did you install the guest additions?
[09:19] <ulysses> sudo /media/VBoxGuestAdditions/VboxLinuxadditions-x86.run
[09:20] <debfx> ulysses: you should install the package virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 instead
[09:20] <ulysses> Didn't know that, thanks
[09:21] <debfx> yeah the guest additions are packaged
[09:23] <ulysses> good news
[10:07] <nigelb> Riddell: Um, were you able to find someone for kubuntu in open week?
[10:08] <Riddell> nigelb: not given the matter much thought
[10:10] <nigelb> oh, ok
[10:19] <debfx> apachelogger: do you know a workaround for the openoffice crash when using the raster graphicssystem?
[10:22] <Riddell> use KOffice :)
[10:23] <valorie> lol
[10:25] <nigelb> heh
[10:37] <lucidfox> Well
[10:38] <lucidfox> Last I tried, KWord was slow and had eye-burning font rendering
[10:40] <Riddell> but now that it defaults to the Ubuntu font it'll be nice and smooth
[10:42] <lucidfox> Is that sarcasm?
[10:42] <lucidfox> I mean on the page, actually. The documents I tried to edit used Verdana. The fonts were much crisper in AbiWord and OOo
[10:43] <lucidfox> it seems to me that KWord just ignores the full hinting setting, and always did since early 2.0 beta
[10:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/phonon+proper-qgraphicitem.ogv check this out
[10:46] <apachelogger> ohw it is so beautiful and nice and and omg
[10:47] <apachelogger> debfx: kApp->setGraphicsSystem("native");
[10:47] <apachelogger> debfx: whereever kapp gets constructed
[10:47] <apachelogger> I did not find out where also I found ooo code scary so I did not bother to look closer
[10:48] <apachelogger> if you cannot find where the kapp comes from then just do that before every K* function does things
[10:49] <apachelogger> also FTR: that is not even a workaround but the proper way to do it, because shtylman told me ooo hands the KDE integration foo a widget to paint on, which is of course dependent on X11 and hence native paintaing *must* be enforced globally via setGraphicsSystem
[10:50] <debfx> apachelogger: I was thinking about a workaround that doesn't involve recompiling OO.o :)
[10:50] <apachelogger> also FTR: one can manually swap the system on a per-painter basis, so say only a minor part of your software requires X11 foo and the painting is reasonable accessable one can (or maybe even should) just swap the graphicsengine for that particular painter
[10:51] <apachelogger> also FTR: graphicssystem == graphicsengine (when one browses the painting docu usually they talk about the engine, which is synonymous to the system)
[10:51] <debfx> I guess setting QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native in /usr/bin/ooffice should fix it
[10:51] <apachelogger> debfx: yep
[10:51] <apachelogger> just wanted to say that
[10:51] <apachelogger> however, that really is a workaround ;)
[10:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh pretty
[10:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is native painted now, rather than the thing I did the other day (which asked Phonon::VideoWidget to do the painting)
[10:55] <apachelogger> also FTR again: Phonon::Experimental contains about all the stuff that currently sets QtMultimediaKit apart from phonon so once more I am  not sure why the kit is even existing
[10:55] <apachelogger> (most importantly QtMultimediaKit does have a graphicsitem already ;))
[10:58] <Riddell> nobody outside Brisbane knows that
[11:05] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. shor question abot maverick: my plasama effects right now are turned off by default... my default settings do not matter in this case. I always have to turn them on manually (using the keaboard shortcut for example) is this supposed to be like this?
[11:06] <Riddell> you probably have a blacklisted driver
[11:06] <howlymowly> Riddell: will this change, until the release of maverick?
[11:07] <howlymowly> (i got an intel graphics chipset btw...)
[11:17] <debfx> apachelogger: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/go-openoffice-qt-native/go-openoffice-qt-native/qt-use-native-backend.diff
[11:17] <apachelogger> ...ah, yeah, why upstream fixes...
[11:17] <Riddell> howlymowly: probably not, how well does it work with effects?
[11:18] <howlymowly> Riddell: I have not seen the slightest problems..  In fact on maverick it runs better than ever
[11:18] <howlymowly> its an intel 965gm chipse
[11:18] <howlymowly> *chipset
[11:19] <Riddell> hmm, I have "Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics" and when I turn on effects it works much of the time but e.g. konsole has notable refreshing problems and the systray has funny colours
[11:35] <debfx> apachelogger: there is an upstream bug with a link to that patch: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113246
[11:35] <debfx> filing a bug against libreoffice might be more promising
[11:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: I remember there has been discussion and bugfixing related to konsole drawing, there were some technical reason why it is/was slow
[11:39] <Tm_T> ...during the KDE4 developmet
[11:39] <ScottK> Riddell or JontheEchidna: Does kubuntu-netbook-default-settings need an upload for the font?
[11:41] <debfx> ScottK: yes
[11:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you do it?
[11:44] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[11:45] <Tm_T> ScottK: any images incoming that needs some testing?
[11:45] <Tm_T> (PPC)
[11:46] <ScottK> Tm_T: If you could take the latest daily for a spin and see how it goes, that would be good.
[11:46] <Tm_T> wi l look at it today then (:
[11:50] <Riddell> ScottK: keeping the eye wateringly small size?
[11:51] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd knock it up one point from what we had since allegedly this font renders smaller.
[11:52] <apachelogger> debfx: Ic
[11:52] <apachelogger> shtylman: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113246
[12:07] <mokush> hey, I've updated to 10.10 beta, and completly lost wifi support. any way to kickstart it manualy?
[12:11]  * Riddell uploads kubuntu-netbook-default-settings
[12:12] <Riddell> mokush: try installing the RC?
[12:12] <mokush> I was hopeing to be able to update the beta to the rc, without burning a disc
[12:32] <ScottK> Riddell: k-n-d-s accepted.
[12:32] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:34] <davmor2> mokush: is your machine unplgged?
[12:35] <mokush> unplugged as in network plug?
[12:38] <davmor2> mokush: as in no power goning into the machine
[12:39] <mokush> davmor2: is this some kind of joke?
[12:40] <davmor2> mokush: nope pm-utils causes some wifi cards to not connect if the machine is not connect to power.  if that was the case there is a work around you can try
[12:42] <davmor2> mokush: try "sudo pm-powersave false" then try to connect again
[12:42] <mokush> I'm on a toshiba l300 laptop, always plugged. Atheros AR5007EG wireless card. The network manager does not start at all.
[12:43] <davmor2> mokush: Ah okay that's something completely different then
[12:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: did we reach conclusion on the font?
[12:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's in.
[12:46] <apachelogger> as default?
[12:46] <Riddell> yes
[12:47] <apachelogger> cool
[12:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer and 999 million other Indians will be most happy
[12:49] <apachelogger> hm
[12:50] <apachelogger> dolphin has some serious scaling issues 
[12:50] <apachelogger> 11k files and dolphin goes wocka
[13:02] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[13:03] <shadeslayer> whuh..
[13:03] <apachelogger> updateMetaData(): artist: Apollo 440 
[13:03] <apachelogger> updateMetaData(): title: Stop The Rock 
[13:03] <apachelogger> those were good times
[13:03] <apachelogger> the 1990's werent so bad after all ^^
[13:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what font? :P
[13:03] <shadeslayer> the ubuntu font?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> i hates it now ..
[13:04] <apachelogger> the supreme master font that fell from the heaven after devine intervention by sabdfl
[13:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, so mainstream, horrible
[13:04]  * apachelogger shall use gnuunicode or what it was called
[13:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it looks all squashed on my LCD now
[13:04] <shadeslayer> dunno what happened
[13:04] <shadeslayer> the beta one was awesome
[13:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Try changing the hinting from medium to slight.
[13:05] <apachelogger> well, open source -> degrading quality right there
[13:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: should that not be defaulted?
[13:05] <apachelogger> if it makes the system look better?
[13:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: is hinting enabled?
[13:05] <sabdfl> it should, yes
[13:05] <shadeslayer> ( by default )
[13:05] <ScottK> That was part of yesterday's discussion.
[13:05] <shadeslayer> because it is *necessary* for the ubuntu fonts
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ah ok ..
[13:06] <ScottK> Currently Ubuntu is defaulting to slight and we are defaulting to medium
[13:06] <ScottK> (which is what we had before)
[13:06]  * shadeslayer has autohinting
[13:06] <ScottK> Given we have not very long to make changes, if people aren't happy with it as it is, I'd like to know soon if that helps.
[13:06] <apachelogger> couldnt that be set on fontconfig level?
[13:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's in k-d-s/k-n-d-s.
[13:07] <ScottK> No idea if it could or not.
[13:07] <shadeslayer> oh wait.. its says medium.. weird
[13:08] <shadeslayer> also K/Ubuntu is catching up in my university.. finally
[13:08] <apachelogger> not here
[13:08] <apachelogger> we are all diehard debian fanbois
[13:08] <shadeslayer> hehe ..
[13:08]  * apachelogger has a debian install just so he does not stick out when he is @ university ^^
[13:08] <shadeslayer> my university is all pro-MS
[13:09] <Riddell> 10 year old debian in my case
[13:09] <shadeslayer> good to see people poking me about k/ubuntu these days
[13:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: so what, the 3 minor versions more up-to-date kernel does not change much :P
[13:10] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/503863/ is it me or does that function look like something you would not want to call every day?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> ScottK: still squashed :(
[13:12] <ScottK> OK.  No idea then.
[13:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK:  http://imgur.com/vJ1xz
[13:12] <shadeslayer> just to show how it looks like
[13:12] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ ?
[13:13] <yofel> that looks fine to me, at least it looks like that here too (slight hinting set in fontconfig and KDE to system settings)
[13:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: ill show it with droid sans font
[13:14] <yofel> the ubuntu font is more slim than other fonts, but that's not bad..
[13:14] <shadeslayer> http://imgur.com/CQWgb
[13:14] <shadeslayer> compare those side by side :>
[13:15]  * apachelogger starts singing
[13:15] <ScottK> I like the Ubuntu one better.
[13:16] <shadeslayer> ScottK: dont the ubuntu ones seem squashed to you?
[13:16] <yofel> right, it's smaller, but it doesn't look different from the beta one, just takes some getting used to
[13:16] <ScottK> The problem with fonts is that your opinion is largely colored by what you're used to.
[13:16]  * yofel misses a mono version though :/
[13:16] <shadeslayer> its alot different than beta
[13:16] <shadeslayer> from what i observed
[13:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No, but I don't use either of those fonts, so they are both new to me.
[13:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: hence I would have +1'd on setting a mono font default
[13:16] <apachelogger> muhahaha :D
[13:17] <apachelogger> mono spaced fonts are the uberawesome
[13:17]  * ScottK was voting for delivering the features before feature freeze.
[13:17] <yofel> well, I couldn't really compare them, as my font settings got messed up for a while when I switched them
[13:17] <yofel> I only use monospace for IRC and Konsole
[13:17]  * ScottK will let the people who wanted the font figure it out.
[13:19] <shadeslayer> annyyways
[13:23]  * shadeslayer wants better graphics for installer 
[13:31] <apachelogger> I rather have someone findout why my kmix is broken since I removed pulse
[13:34] <al> other way around for me since 4.5
[13:35] <al> kmix started simulating some kind of pulse support, but went from working fine to doing all kinds of weird stuff
[13:37] <apachelogger> not nice at all
[13:58] <debfx> the font settings in k-d-s and k-n-d-s are broken (has a dot instead of comma)
[14:00] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[14:00] <ScottK> They seem to be doing something as I have the new font.
[14:01] <debfx> yes, but the size is set to 12
[14:06] <ScottK> Where do I check that?
[14:07] <ScottK> Mine are Ubuntu 7 or * on netbook.
[14:07] <ScottK> */8
[14:07] <ScottK> Which means the new size didn't take effect.
[14:10] <Tm_T> huh, is there any way to disable spell checking entirely? The fact that Konqueror keeps it enabled no matter what I have set for it, keeps crippling my system in time to time
[14:18] <debfx> ScottK: have you changed the fonts in the kcm before?
[14:20] <ScottK> debfx: I had not.
[14:21] <shtylman> apachelogger: will do
[14:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Coming to US?
[14:49] <ScottK> Oops.  I know you are.
[14:49] <ScottK> shtylman: Coming to UDS?
[15:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Now that I've got the font on my netbook, I agree it looks squashed, but maybe I'll get used to it.
[15:06] <Riddell> debfx: tsk, I knew that didn't look right
[15:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Bumping the font up one size in netbook like we agree was definitely the right choice.
[15:20] <ScottK> claydoh_: Please have a look at the proposed release note in Bug #651294 and add it to ours too.
[15:35] <debfx> Riddell: do you want me to fix the font settings?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: :D
[15:38] <shadeslayer> <3 the beta fonts, the final release is squashed :(
[15:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: also, everything depends on the Visa
[15:39] <shadeslayer> i hope i get it, but cant say
[15:39] <ScottK> Right.
[15:43]  * shadeslayer notes amarok is all broken
[15:49] <debfx> markey: any news on the applet width bug?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> yeah thats the one i have i think ^
[15:52] <zanoi> are there any plans to add some installation instructions to the Kubuntu website, similar to the ones the Ubuntu website has?
[15:52] <zanoi> my girlfriend tried to install kubuntu but didnt know what to do after the download
[15:52] <ScottK> ryanakca: ^^^
[15:53] <zanoi> when i showed her the ubuntu website it worked out fine
[15:53] <ulysses> zanoi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall/Kubuntu
[15:53] <ulysses> I guess the screenshots should be updated
[15:54] <zanoi> ulysses: cool, now if that page could be linked to where one download the iso it would be great
[15:54] <zanoi> ulysses: also the way the ubuntu website does it is unbelievable user friendly
[15:54] <zanoi> (except that it doesn't work with konqueror)
[15:55] <ulysses> I don't know how they do, but I'll look at
[15:55] <zanoi> ulysses: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[15:55] <ulysses> aham, I see
[15:56] <ulysses> Not bad
[15:56] <zanoi> they let you choose which os you're on and whether you want a cd or usb and then present simple steps on how to install
[15:56] <ScottK> agateau: Do we have a messaging indicator or a messaging menu in Kubuntu?
[15:57] <agateau> ScottK: mmm, what's the difference?
[15:57] <agateau> ScottK: we have a Plasma widget
[15:57] <ScottK> agateau: I want to describe it correctly.
[15:57] <ScottK> (it being the plasma widget)
[15:58] <agateau> ScottK: ok, the widget is named plasma-widget-message-indicator so I would go for "indicator"
[15:58] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:04] <debfx> ScottK: I've fixed k-d-s, could you upload it?
[16:05] <ScottK> Perhaps in a bit if Riddell doesn't get to it first.
[16:05] <ScottK> debfx: Are you doing k-n-d-s too?
[16:06] <ScottK> debfx: Does gtk2-engines-qtcurve need fixing too?
[16:06] <debfx> ScottK: yes, it doesn't have a bzr branch, right?
[16:06] <ScottK> No idea.
[16:06] <debfx> ScottK: qtcurve is fine
[16:06] <ScottK> Cool.
[16:07] <debfx> ScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings_10.10.6.debdiff
[16:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you mind doing Bug #624512 so I can say it's done when we get to the MOTU section of the release meeting.
[16:36] <markey> debfx: pong. you asked about news regarding applet sizes? in 2.3.2 I applied a (very hacky) patch shortly before tagging that gets around the issue
[16:36] <markey> calling resize() on the MainWindow right after startup
[16:36] <markey> seems to work for most people
[16:36] <markey> it would however be nice to have this solved for real
[16:36] <markey> the bug is in Plasma and/or Qt
[16:36] <markey> noone knows...
[16:36] <dantti> Riddell: I generated the patch here, but as I renamed some .png files they do not appear in the patch, isn't it better just to resync? since the patch would be the same thing?
[16:37] <dantti> I can send you the patch so that you see what changed, mostly bug fixes and a few speedy improvements
[16:37] <debfx> markey: it doesn't work for shadeslayer and me
[16:37] <markey> debfx: which KDE and Qt version?
[16:38] <debfx> markey: 4.5.1 and 4.7.0
[16:38] <markey> interesting
[16:38] <markey> I have the same setup
[16:38] <debfx> does it work for you on maverick?
[16:38] <markey> I only heard about issues with KDE trunk now
[16:38] <markey> yes, it does
[16:38] <markey> but I suspect this is timing sensitive. my patch simple resizes 1500ms after Amarok is shown
[16:38] <Riddell> ScottK: but I should be paying attention to the meeting not processing bugs!
[16:39] <markey> I guess that time could be too short in some situations
[16:39] <debfx> maybe it's a problem if the window is still hidden?
[16:39] <ScottK> Riddell: I know you're a king of multi-tasking
[16:39] <markey> debfx: aaah, absolutely. that could very well render the patch useless
[16:39] <markey> I never thought of this
[16:40] <markey> but we don't have any other solutions anyway... 
[16:41] <debfx> calling resize when the window is first shown might do the trick
[16:41] <markey> debfx: Plasma in KDE 4.5 brought so many regressions for us, it's not even funny
[16:41] <markey> we had to deal with 4 different bugs
[16:41] <markey> debfx: that might work, if you can figure out when it is actually rendered on the screen, for real
[16:41] <markey> polish() doesn't suffice
[16:42] <markey> maybe waiting for a showEvent()
[16:42] <markey> or similar
[16:42] <markey> debfx: my patch is very small, it's in App::resizeMainWindow()
[16:42] <Riddell> ScottK: done
[16:42] <markey> if you look at the code, you'll see instantly how it works
[16:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[16:44] <shadeslayer> markey: its pretty randomn
[16:44] <markey> shadeslayer: this sucks :(
[16:44] <shadeslayer> it works when you start amarok, but then when you restore it, it from systray it sometimes doesnt show it properly 
[16:45] <markey> I spent like 10 hours working around all those Plasma bugs
[16:45] <markey> at this point, I'd rather switch to Qt Quick at some point
[16:45] <debfx> shadeslayer: for me it only happens when amarok is started hidden to tray
[16:45] <shadeslayer> debfx: how does one do that?
[16:46] <debfx> shadeslayer: close amarok when it's hidden
[16:46] <debfx> it remebers the hidden/shown state
[16:47] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm a bit short of things to say in the meeting, we don't have enough problems this release, anything I should say?
[16:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Wax poetic about the font.
[16:47] <shadeslayer> oh yus
[16:47] <shadeslayer> markey:  debfx: confirmed : http://imgur.com/bSDjD
[16:47] <ScottK> KDM still crashing on logout for me, but workaround in a proposed release note
[16:48] <markey> shadeslayer: you started it hidden in the tray?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> markey: yes
[16:48] <markey> yeah, that was to be expected
[16:48] <markey> the way my patch works
[16:48] <markey> I could try to make an improved version, but not tonight
[16:48] <markey> could we get it into maverick still, say, on Monday?
[16:49] <markey> also, for crying out loud, it would be nice to get some help from the Plasma folks... 
[16:50] <ScottK> Riddell: The X/KDM thing is Bug 651294
[16:50] <shadeslayer> markey: #plasma is _that_ way :P
[16:50] <ScottK> I didn't milestone it since I knew it wouldn't be fixed.
[16:51] <shadeslayer> markey: ive just started getting my hands dirty with plasma, simple stuff for now :)
[16:52] <markey> shadeslayer: hehe, they focus on the KDE Plasma desktop. Amarok's use case is rare, there are hardly any apps that usee LibPlasma 
[16:52] <markey> so it gets little testing
[16:52] <shadeslayer> markey: use something else then... why use something that breaks stuff :(
[16:52] <markey> lol
[16:53] <markey> as I said, I want to experiment with Qt Quick. but we can'T depend on Qt 4.7 just yet :)
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:54] <shadeslayer> markey: maybe it needs another  App::resizeMainWindow() somewhere?
[16:54] <ScottK> markey: Why not?  It's been released for a week now hasn't it?  It's practically obsolete.
[16:54] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:55] <markey> haha
[16:55] <markey> shadeslayer: I think the patch should work like this: detect when Amarok is actually _shown_ (which is not so easy), and then trigger the resize()
[16:56] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:56] <markey> it's the hackiest patch ever:
[16:56] <markey>     m_mainWindow->resize( m_mainWindow->width(), m_mainWindow->height() - 1 );
[16:56] <markey>     m_mainWindow->resize( m_mainWindow->width(), m_mainWindow->height() + 1 );
[16:56] <markey> :p
[16:56] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ok now i really need to finish kdelibs merge or ScottK will come after me :P
[16:57] <markey> kk
[16:58] <markey> apachelogger: you're a big fan of hacks that make baby jesus cry, right? see above ^ 
[16:58] <markey> :D
[16:59] <apachelogger> :O
[16:59] <dasKreech> It's an opportunity  
[16:59] <apachelogger> you just topped the way I triggered painting of a whole graphicsscene to get a video ....
[16:59] <apachelogger> by like a 1000000 times
[17:00]  * apachelogger needs a cigarette
[17:01] <markey> smoking is bad, m'kay? I stopped long ago, and  here I'm sitting with a nice tasty cigar
[17:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: drugs + KDE == fluffy ? :)
[17:02] <markey> can't stop loving cigars.... screw cigarettes though
[17:03] <dasKreech> Outside of Soviet Russia. Ciggies screw you!
[17:04] <shadeslayer> hehe ...
[17:04]  * shadeslayer gets 2 tickets for Russia and gives one to apachelogger
[17:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: how did you sync control and control.in in the last merge? i dont understand 
[17:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu1 :: specifically
[17:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: control.in should rebuild control if it's changed when you build the source package, IIRC.
[17:06] <ScottK> I may have in fact just hand edited them both to be sure.  I don't recall.
[17:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hmm... right now the diff between control and control.in is http://paste.ubuntu.com/503992/ , i dont think it needs any work, can you tell me if im right?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> im working with control.in only for the second time i think
[17:07] <dasKreech> shadeslayer: nice airlines :) they have tickets for Russia and separate ones for Soviet Russia? :)
[17:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: line 26 you want to fix
[17:08] <shadeslayer> dasKreech: hahaha :P
[17:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ah ok ..
[17:09] <shadeslayer> 18 too i guess?
[17:17] <ScottK> Yes, but less important.
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: erm.. i find 2 patches in debian/patches that have not been documented ( 17_kdelibs_rubberband.diff and 19_debianize_useragent.diff )
[17:28] <shadeslayer> from debian package
[17:29] <ScottK> As long as they aren't new, I wouldn't worry about it.  That's a VERY old package.
[17:29] <shadeslayer> hmm... yeah i noticed :(
[17:30] <shadeslayer> but since the changelog doesnt mention them...
[17:31] <ScottK> I'm reasonabyl sure 19 isn't needed, but I really wouldn't change more than I have to in that package.
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> if I had to guess, I'd think that the package would be almost as old as debian itself
[17:32] <shadeslayer> hehe ...
[17:33] <shadeslayer> then theres 68_support_khelpcenter4.diff
[17:33] <shadeslayer> dunno where that came from either
[17:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: do we want debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kspell/* ?
[17:44] <ScottK> I don't remember.
[17:45] <shadeslayer> hmm... debian has them...
[17:45] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No, KDE didn't get to Debian until ~2000 IIRC.  Debian is considerably older.
[17:45] <shadeslayer> but we didnt for last release 
[17:45] <shadeslayer> also ... its that time of the year again :D
[17:55] <Riddell> ScottK: the KDE packages have been around almost as long as Debian, I think they were even in Debian before they got kicked out
[17:55] <ScottK> Ah. I did not know that.
[17:55] <Riddell> anyway, why is shadeslayer looking at the kde 3 libs package?
[17:56] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Riddell, ScottK
[17:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Security fixes in a merge from Debian.
[17:56] <ScottK> Hello DarkwingDuck
[17:56] <shadeslayer> im almost done
[17:56] <shadeslayer> need to test build after this
[17:56] <DarkwingDuck> Making the move back to california
[17:58] <Riddell> hi DarkwingDuck 
[17:58] <Riddell> "I just finished uploading the first set of KDE 4.5.2 tarballs."
[17:58] <jjesse> hello DarkwingDuck
[17:58] <Riddell> ~ninjas
[17:58] <Riddell> or something like that
[17:58] <shadeslayer> !ninjas
[17:58] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck i thought you were moving to indiana?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we does not have kubotu :(
[17:59] <jjesse> wow only getting 4.6 kb/s down on the torrent of the rc :(
[17:59] <shadeslayer> and i forgot about !kubuntu :P
[17:59] <DarkwingDuck> Job fell through
[17:59] <jjesse> bummer
[17:59] <shadeslayer> jjesse: zsync++
[17:59] <rgreening> yo
[17:59] <shadeslayer> rgreening: to the bat cave!
[17:59] <jjesse> shadeslayer: can't figure out zsync on my windows 7 box i'm on
[17:59] <jjesse> :(
[17:59] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: what’s up?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[18:00] <rgreening> na-na na-na na na... 
[18:00] <DarkwingDuck> Aye but, cali is where I belong
[18:00] <maco> rgreening: batman?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: 4.5.2 on ktown ...
[18:00] <shadeslayer> haz fun.. i have to finish kde 3 libs first :P
[18:00] <rgreening> maco rul3z
[18:01] <txwikinger> ninja time?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh oh 
[18:01] <rgreening> maco == batgirl
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 0.6.1 rekonq out in a few days.. can we haz in final release ?
[18:01]  * txwikinger wonders if rgreening wants to be Robin
[18:01]  * ScottK makes a note to let rgreening's wife know he's making advances on young women on IRC.
[18:01] <rgreening> no one wants to be robin
[18:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: unlikely
[18:02] <shadeslayer> SRU?
[18:02] <rgreening> not even robin
[18:02] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: the problem is that I don’t have acces to ktown
[18:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^
[18:02] <Riddell> bulldog98: we can fix that, where's your ssh key?
[18:02] <ScottK> Riddell can fix that.
[18:02]  * txwikinger has to prepare for his presentation tomorrow: Kubuntu Hacking
[18:03] <Riddell> txwikinger: where's that?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what is ksvntopng? :P
[18:03] <txwikinger> Southern Ontario Hackerspace Conference Riddell
[18:03] <Riddell> sounds fun
[18:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No idea.
[18:03] <shadeslayer> mmmkay
[18:03] <txwikinger> Riddell: yeah.. the name badge is a pcb board with microcontroller for prototyping
[18:04] <txwikinger> I am trying to build a free toolchain working on Kubuntu for this
[18:04]  * txwikinger is wondering about Hackers and their dependency on proprietary software
[18:08] <txwikinger> Riddell: how difficult is it to use kdevelop with a specialised gcc toolchain?
[18:08] <Riddell> I've no idea
[18:09] <Riddell> I've never used either
[18:09] <Riddell> I've never used e
[18:09] <txwikinger> :D
[18:09] <txwikinger> maybe I just present the hwo to hack Qt stuff
[18:09] <shadeslayer> \o/ kdelibs done
[18:10] <txwikinger> oh this is interesting: kdevelop: symbol lookup error: kdevelop: undefined symbol: _ZN8KDevelop4Core10initializeENS0_5SetupE
[18:11] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: broken packages :S
[18:11] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: which release ?
[18:11] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: lucid
[18:11] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: i mean which kdevelop version ?
[18:13] <txwikinger> ah.. I think it is still the old kdevelop-kde4 package lingering around
[18:14] <txwikinger> what is the ninja time for... maverick or preparing for m+1?
[18:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you know why rekonq seems to not pick up our font settings?  
[18:14] <Riddell> it seems to like Liberation over Ubuntu
[18:14] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:14] <shadeslayer> i think it uses its own config files
[18:14] <shadeslayer> there was a discussion about that IIRC
[18:15] <txwikinger> ok.. this kdevelop is better :D
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-May/001316.html ?
[18:17] <shadeslayer> lemme confirm
[18:19]  * markey huggles apachelogger
[18:19] <markey> apachelogger: you gonna come to Dornbirn?
[18:21] <jjesse> heres a question whenever i go to start the 386 rc download torrent i get a message the file is missing
[18:22] <jjesse> "errors file missing please recheck"
[18:24] <bulldog98> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Ebulldog98/+sshkeys the JonathansRechner one
[18:25] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: can you remind adjam that the translation for documentation has to be includet into the next tarball
[18:25] <Riddell> bulldog98: ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[18:25] <Riddell> hmm, documentation translations
[18:25] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i think he already mentioned it
[18:25] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: ok
[18:27] <shadeslayer> i hate these patches :S
[18:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you guys still have some 10.04 Kubuntu CD stock left over?
[18:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think we do 
[18:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: want to take them off canonical's hands?
[18:29] <shadeslayer> yeah sure :)
[18:29] <Riddell> how many?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not for me, one of my friends wants them, he will mail you the details :D
[18:30] <shadeslayer> ( he will distribute them in his tech fest )
[18:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I need a postal address where someone will be in to collect them and a phone number
[18:31] <shadeslayer> sure .. 
[18:33] <maco> hmm i suspect the dc loco could use some too. i think there are more kde users than gnome users among us, so we tend to give out the kubuntu cds pretty quickly
[18:34] <Riddell> same rules then
[18:43] <debfx> markey: this patch seems to work: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/amarok_resize_window_hack.diff
[18:44] <markey> debfx: looking now
[18:46] <Riddell> dantti: was there a patch for kpackagekit updates?
[18:49] <shadeslayer> bahahaha ... archive skew
[18:49] <shadeslayer>   bzip2: Depends: libbz2-1.0 (= 1.0.5-4) but 1.0.5-4ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[18:52] <lex79> in pbuilder?
[18:52] <shadeslayer> lex79: yus
[18:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you get the mail? 
[18:52] <lex79> just login into pbuilder and run the upgrade
[18:53] <shadeslayer> ok ... lets see :)
[18:55] <shadeslayer> lex79: great works :D
[18:55] <lex79> :)
[18:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes thanks
[19:00] <ScottK> Riddell: The font fixes for the various default settings packages are accepted.
[19:03] <Riddell> thanks
[19:03] <Riddell> silly mistake that
[19:05] <lex79> so finally we have the right font ;)
[19:05] <Riddell> go go ninjas https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[19:06] <shadeslayer> i wonder when the wiki gets a new theme
[19:06] <lex79> since we broken the rules yesterday, today we can upload 4.5.2 in the archive?
[19:06]  * lex79 giggles
[19:06] <shadeslayer> hehe.. i dont think so
[19:07] <lex79> why not? :)
[19:07] <shadeslayer> IIRC we are supposed to release with 4.5.1
[19:07] <Riddell> that'll annoy both ubuntu people (for breaking freezes with stuff we havn't sufficiently tested) and upstream (for releasing packages before they do)
[19:08] <lex79> I know I'm just kidding :P
[19:08]  * maco checks the setting on Riddell's Humour Detector
[19:08] <maco> oh or maybe you have an imbalance of the humours?
[19:11]  * lex79 takes the hand of maco for a dance
[19:13] <maco> im thinking of a Doctor Who episode now
[19:13] <lex79> :)
[19:18] <nixternal> just reformat/reinstall maverick. hot! only issue thus far is the stupid ass intel/mesa/whatever issue that prevents and/or corrupts the display
[19:18] <nixternal> prevents compositing that is
[19:20] <shadeslayer> lex79: issue still present :(
[19:20] <shtylman> apachelogger: out of curiosity, how does office fail when using the raster engine?
[19:20] <lex79> shadeslayer: where?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> lex79: when running pdebuild
[19:21] <lex79> did you say that it worked before?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> yes, but as in, when i logged in -> ran dist-upgrade it worked fine
[19:22] <lex79> did you run sudo pbuilder login with --save-after-login ?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> no ... :S
[19:23] <lex79> eh
[19:32] <debfx> shtylman: openoffice crashes right after starting it
[19:38] <shtylman> nice
[19:39] <howlymowly> hi poeple...  I am using ubuntu on my laptop... my soundcard works, but the maximum volume level is very low (even though i have turned everything to 100% with alsamixer). does anyone know how to configure the maximum sound level? 
[19:41] <Riddell> oh, nixternal gone
[19:42] <shadeslayer> !support | howlymowly
[19:44] <shadeslayer> lex79: v
[19:44] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/504082/
[19:45] <shadeslayer> hmm..libart...
[19:46] <lex79> this means you didnt' save the changes when you exit from pbuilder chroot
[19:47] <shadeslayer> erm.. im running pdebuild, im not in pbuilder chroot
[19:47] <shadeslayer> apparently control.in wasnt edited to remove arts
[19:47] <lex79> I don't know about pdebuild
[19:49] <shadeslayer> hmm im sleeping, too tired to continue this...
[19:53] <Riddell> control.in files are evil
[20:11] <ScottK> You'd love updating python-defaults then.
[20:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ooo going down
[20:57] <apachelogger> markey: possibly, still not sure about it
[21:06] <dantti> Riddell: I thought there was a patch for that, wasn't it?
[21:10] <ScottK> Rats.
[21:11]  * ScottK wanted to point agateau at my latest blog post, but he's not here.
[21:14]  * bulldog98 managed to get out what patches were included into kdelibs 4.5.2
[21:16] <bulldog98> does someone knows if FAM should be used for kdelibs? cause kdelibs says that FAM and aspell weren’t found
[21:18] <ScottK> bulldog98: It's in Universe.  No.
[21:19] <ScottK> IIRC aspell is on purpose too.
[21:19] <bulldog98> ScottK: ok
[21:25] <debfx> ScottK: middle-click would be much more convenient than shift-click
[21:25] <ScottK> debfx: Not on my laptop.
[21:25] <ScottK> I could see having both though.
[21:25] <Riddell> dantti: what what?
[21:26] <Riddell> dantti: I don't know if it needs patches or not
[21:27] <dantti> Riddell: me neither, yesterday lex79 was asking why weekly is the default check for updates
[21:28] <debfx> ScottK: yeah I guess both wouldn't hurt
[21:28] <ScottK> debfx: I'd suggest chat with agateau about it when he's around.
[21:28] <dantti> Riddell: and btw how will we update kpk ? I can send you that patch but it has the .pngs problem
[21:29] <ScottK> (but don't bother with a patch unless you are going to do the Canonical copyright assignment.)
[22:13] <lex79> a new fresh bug 653274
[22:14] <lex79> if someone is affected, click on "this bug affects you"
[22:14] <lex79> this is a regression from Lucid
[22:50] <bulldog98> Do I have to write into changelog if I added some files to .install?
[22:53] <bulldog98> And if I fixed that errors must I rebuild it completly?
[22:58] <ScottK> bulldog98: Yes and depending how you build it probably.
[22:59] <bulldog98> ScottK: I tryed it via debuild
[22:59] <ScottK> If you've got the partial build available you can add -nc to your dpkg-buildpackage or debuild invocation to avoid clean and recomopling everything.
[22:59] <ScottK> You should talk to apachelogger about his hooks so you can have the pbuilder run fail open so you can have access to the build in progress.
[22:59] <bulldog98> ScottK: ok thanks for that info
[23:00] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[23:02] <bulldog98> ScottK: do you know what this means: E: libkdecore5: symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision on symbol _ZN6Sonnet17BackgroundChecker7restoreEP7KConfig@Base
[23:03] <ScottK> bulldog98: Run lintian with -i for a detailed explanation.
[23:03] <ScottK> If that isn't enough, ask again and we can discuss.
[23:04] <bulldog98> ScottK: is debuild using as many treads as possible?
[23:05] <ScottK> No.
[23:05] <ScottK> You need to feed is something like -j $asmanycoresasyouhave
[23:08] <bulldog98> ScottK: Ok that’s really helpfull cause it will speed up everthing (4 times the treads before)
[23:11] <apachelogger> well, then, great
[23:12] <apachelogger> I am going to take a break
[23:12]  * apachelogger is not doing terribly well
[23:12] <apachelogger> o/
[23:18] <Riddell> dantti: yo, what needs updated in kpackagekit?
[23:18] <Riddell> PNG diffs are ok, those can be handled in debian packaging these days
[23:26] <dantti> Riddell: well you could update everything, since kpk is a svn snapshot
[23:26] <dantti> svn diff showed a message instead of a png diff
[23:28] <dantti> There are still a few png with quetion marks but I didn't had time to investigate that, cause sometimes the icon is showed and when you pass your mouse over it it shows the question mark... weird enough
[23:28] <dantti> sounds like a bug in kdelibs
[23:32] <Riddell> ok I'll just take a 
[23:32] <Riddell> an svn snapshot
[23:39] <dantti> perfect, if found any issues just poke me
[23:42] <lex79> how to add Affects Ubuntu release notes in a bug?
[23:53] <Riddell> lex79: if it's kubuntu add a "kubuntu" tag and milestone to 10.10
[23:53] <Riddell> there's a rag for release notes which I forget now
[23:53] <Riddell> check with skeat
[23:53] <lex79> I already did in these days, but they can't fix this bug 653274
[23:54] <lex79> so it should go in release note