[00:16] this pisses me off to no end: http://imgur.com/eimg6 [00:16] I created a new image exactly the same size as what I selected from the source image, but gimp #@@!'s it up [00:26] so, all wiki images replaced except for the maverick-netbook.png/wee variant and the ubiquity images, for which I am downloading the latest CD image [00:31] k-d-s changing default font in approval queue, going to to gtk2-engines-qtcurve [00:35] erm, please reject k-d-s. It only affected the General font, and the rest of the non-monowidth fonts are sans serif [00:35] ScottK, Riddell^ [00:45] gtk2-engines-qtcurve should be good, though [01:03] JontheEchidna: did you change something in gtk2-engines-qtcurve? [01:03] lex79: patched the kdeglobals [01:03] just curiosity [01:04] oh neat [01:05] if you can also update the bzr branch since we can't sync anymore the package now... [01:39] why kpackagekit checks update weekly and not daily? [01:40] from the kubuntu feedback page [01:47] Riddell: i think debfx was just saying that to make qtcurve do the right thing, we set the font in its package instead of using the modifications i did in k-d-s [01:48] this is interesting doing a full upgrade with muon and not getting a process indicator, so do i just wait ? [02:44] lex79: does it check at all? afaik there are patches disabling it.. [02:49] Riddell: don't worry, I a) know exactly that Gentoo is superior, b) know that I can install a full system within a day with spending like 5 minutes at the computer, and c) know that I save soooo much time because updates don't break and configuration is much more easier because I don't need to use random GUI tools, and d) don't really care what others use, as I'm fully aware of me being a crazy person that's incompatible to binary distros :) [02:50] lol [03:02] I'm certainly not gonna leave because of some bashing :) [03:04] dantti: kpk here in my installation checks update weekly and it's confirmed by the last comment there: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RC/Kubuntu/Feedback [03:07] lex79: funny the page says he was using KPackageKit since '06 but I started to write in in 2008 :P [03:07] s/in/it [03:08] that is another comment I think from another user [03:08] there's this patch btw kubuntu_06_no_automatic_updates.diff [03:09] well anyway would be good to see what Riddell thinks about this, since the combo to select the updates interval is hidden by some patch [03:11] the combo to select the updates? it's not hidden here [03:11] http://imagebin.ca/view/cx0Kndw.html [03:12] hmm I think they were hidden :P [03:13] :) [03:13] well the default can be easily changed, but I guess Riddell would be better to answear that [03:13] ok [03:14] I have to go work late night now :( cya [03:34] what? Huh? [03:34] i wasnt working on liblastfm [03:34] IIRC lex79 was [03:34] nope [03:35] i didnt take it up surely [03:35] i have kdelibs merge and another bug to fix first :P [03:35] also, im off to college, its 8 AM already :D [03:35] liblastfm is already uploaded anyway [03:35] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liblastfm/0.4.0~really0.3.3-0ubuntu1 [03:35] ok.... [04:19] JontheEchidna: I'm going to reject your k-d-s as requested. [04:20] Thanks [04:20] JontheEchidna: You might also look at the amount of hinting. Ubuntu, IIRC, went with Slight and there was pushback about doing more. [04:20] No problem. [04:21] pushback, as in slight being too much? [04:21] or pushback about the hinting *not* being stronger? [04:22] About not doing more. [04:23] Discussion is in Bug 629622 [04:23] Launchpad bug 629622 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu) "MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.70 in Maverick (10.10)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629622 [04:23] qapt accepted, BTW. [04:23] skrooge too [04:26] JontheEchidna: Also they bumped to 11 point because 10 point is smaller in the Ubuntu font than in whatever it's replacing. [04:26] JontheEchidna: Does gtk2-engines-qtcurve need to be rejected too? [04:26] ScottK: no, that's fine. It's actually what made me catch the k-d-s bug [04:27] JontheEchidna: OK. I'll let it sit until there's a new k-d-s to go with it. [04:27] I'm afraid I let myself get distracted with FTBFS fixing ;-) [04:28] ;-) [04:28] JontheEchidna: BTW, there's no need to wait for the reject before re-uploading. The queue can hold more than one package of the same version in unapproved. Just only one can ever make it in. [04:28] aah, ok [04:29] once I finish up with ktoon I'll get back to k-d-s [04:30] Cool. [04:32] BTW, chromium and KDE should be able to agree that it's the default browser in Maverick again. FTA backported some stuff to make that possible today. [04:32] nice. I told it to stop asking me [04:36] I, personally bumped my font settings up from 8 to 8.5 when I switched to the Ubuntu font [04:36] stray , in there [04:36] we default to 9 point currently [04:38] I think 9 looks fine: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RC/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=view [04:39] hmm, that link probably won't work [04:39] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/RC/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kpk4.png [04:39] but we can bump things up by one if there is a need [04:39] If we make this the last upload of k-d-s, it'll be k-d-s 1:10.10ubuntu10 [04:49] turns out we're already using medium hinting [04:50] [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101001035053-al69ml646rrag5l2 * (debian/changelog debian/control share/config/kdeglobals) * Switch to the Ubuntu font as the default font, as approved by the Kubuntu Council * Add a dependency on ttf-ubuntu-font-family for the above [05:00] [muon] jmthomas * 1181452 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (2 files in 2 dirs) SVN_SILENT: Krazy2 fixes [05:43] JontheEchidna: Both accepted. === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [07:34] is this bad: [07:34] W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [07:54] Hrm, bug 651050 affects me, on a normal kubuntu install, but has been marked as invalid. what to do? [07:54] Launchpad bug 651050 in Plymouth "User shown Ubuntu 10.10 splash screen when booting Kubuntu 10.10 Netbook" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651050 [08:05] thanks for LibLastFM update, seems to work fine :) [08:17] when you release an alpha or beta, you're supposed to build apps with more debugging information, and therefore they would run slower than a final release, right? [08:19] one can do [08:22] thanks [08:32] Riddell: morning, this is your daily reminder for https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/plasma-widget-message-indicator/fix-text-overlap-in-systemtray/+merge/37106 :) [08:32] yep, I'll get onto that momentarily, thanks agateau [08:32] Riddell: great [08:33] yay, it is always a good thing to start a new semester with calculus \o/ [08:33] I will derive! [08:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9dpTTpjymE [08:35] * ulysses passed calulus 1 and 2 \o/ [08:37] ulysses: congrats [08:38] 2 years ago, in my first year [08:38] ulysses: still congratuatable, no? [08:38] yes, some of my friends still doing it [08:39] maybe they like it so much, I personally do [08:39] :D [08:39] not that I would be paritcularly good at it, but I like it ;) [08:40] * apachelogger builds his own vlc thinking that maybe the packages might be what broke his paintaing code so badly [08:56] Beautiful: http://imagebin.ca/img/D4HbWF9.png [09:04] good lord, what is that? [09:04] eek [09:05] Kubuntu 10.10 RC in Virtualbox, right after installing guest additions [09:05] Is that some sort of AA rendering environment? [09:06] wow [09:06] sweet baby jesus! [09:06] looks like a nightmare [09:06] * persia is impressed that aalib can handle that sort of environment [09:13] ulysses: beautiful is different, but nice POC [09:13] too many colors in the text, though, makes it unreadable [09:16] ulysses: how did you install the guest additions? [09:19] sudo /media/VBoxGuestAdditions/VboxLinuxadditions-x86.run [09:20] ulysses: you should install the package virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 instead [09:20] Didn't know that, thanks [09:21] yeah the guest additions are packaged [09:23] good news [10:07] Riddell: Um, were you able to find someone for kubuntu in open week? [10:08] nigelb: not given the matter much thought [10:10] oh, ok [10:19] apachelogger: do you know a workaround for the openoffice crash when using the raster graphicssystem? [10:22] use KOffice :) [10:23] lol [10:25] heh [10:37] Well [10:38] Last I tried, KWord was slow and had eye-burning font rendering [10:40] but now that it defaults to the Ubuntu font it'll be nice and smooth [10:42] Is that sarcasm? [10:42] I mean on the page, actually. The documents I tried to edit used Verdana. The fonts were much crisper in AbiWord and OOo [10:43] it seems to me that KWord just ignores the full hinting setting, and always did since early 2.0 beta [10:46] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/phonon+proper-qgraphicitem.ogv check this out [10:46] ohw it is so beautiful and nice and and omg [10:47] debfx: kApp->setGraphicsSystem("native"); [10:47] debfx: whereever kapp gets constructed [10:47] I did not find out where also I found ooo code scary so I did not bother to look closer [10:48] if you cannot find where the kapp comes from then just do that before every K* function does things [10:49] also FTR: that is not even a workaround but the proper way to do it, because shtylman told me ooo hands the KDE integration foo a widget to paint on, which is of course dependent on X11 and hence native paintaing *must* be enforced globally via setGraphicsSystem [10:50] apachelogger: I was thinking about a workaround that doesn't involve recompiling OO.o :) [10:50] also FTR: one can manually swap the system on a per-painter basis, so say only a minor part of your software requires X11 foo and the painting is reasonable accessable one can (or maybe even should) just swap the graphicsengine for that particular painter [10:51] also FTR: graphicssystem == graphicsengine (when one browses the painting docu usually they talk about the engine, which is synonymous to the system) [10:51] I guess setting QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native in /usr/bin/ooffice should fix it [10:51] debfx: yep [10:51] just wanted to say that [10:51] however, that really is a workaround ;) [10:52] apachelogger: ooh pretty [10:54] Riddell: that is native painted now, rather than the thing I did the other day (which asked Phonon::VideoWidget to do the painting) [10:55] also FTR again: Phonon::Experimental contains about all the stuff that currently sets QtMultimediaKit apart from phonon so once more I am not sure why the kit is even existing [10:55] (most importantly QtMultimediaKit does have a graphicsitem already ;)) [10:58] nobody outside Brisbane knows that [11:05] hi poeple.. shor question abot maverick: my plasama effects right now are turned off by default... my default settings do not matter in this case. I always have to turn them on manually (using the keaboard shortcut for example) is this supposed to be like this? [11:06] you probably have a blacklisted driver [11:06] Riddell: will this change, until the release of maverick? [11:07] (i got an intel graphics chipset btw...) === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok [11:17] apachelogger: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/go-openoffice-qt-native/go-openoffice-qt-native/qt-use-native-backend.diff [11:17] ...ah, yeah, why upstream fixes... [11:17] howlymowly: probably not, how well does it work with effects? [11:18] Riddell: I have not seen the slightest problems.. In fact on maverick it runs better than ever [11:18] its an intel 965gm chipse [11:18] *chipset [11:19] hmm, I have "Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics" and when I turn on effects it works much of the time but e.g. konsole has notable refreshing problems and the systray has funny colours [11:35] apachelogger: there is an upstream bug with a link to that patch: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113246 [11:35] OpenOffice.org bug 113246 in kde "Openoffice fail when qt build with raster engine by default" [Defect,New: ] [11:35] filing a bug against libreoffice might be more promising [11:39] Riddell: I remember there has been discussion and bugfixing related to konsole drawing, there were some technical reason why it is/was slow [11:39] ...during the KDE4 developmet [11:39] Riddell or JontheEchidna: Does kubuntu-netbook-default-settings need an upload for the font? [11:41] ScottK: yes [11:44] Riddell: Can you do it? [11:44] debfx: Thanks. [11:45] ScottK: any images incoming that needs some testing? [11:45] (PPC) [11:46] Tm_T: If you could take the latest daily for a spin and see how it goes, that would be good. [11:46] wi l look at it today then (: [11:50] ScottK: keeping the eye wateringly small size? [11:51] Riddell: I'd knock it up one point from what we had since allegedly this font renders smaller. [11:52] debfx: Ic [11:52] shtylman: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113246 [11:52] OpenOffice.org bug 113246 in kde "Openoffice fail when qt build with raster engine by default" [Defect,New: ] [12:07] hey, I've updated to 10.10 beta, and completly lost wifi support. any way to kickstart it manualy? [12:11] * Riddell uploads kubuntu-netbook-default-settings [12:12] mokush: try installing the RC? [12:12] I was hopeing to be able to update the beta to the rc, without burning a disc [12:32] Riddell: k-n-d-s accepted. [12:32] Thanks. [12:34] mokush: is your machine unplgged? [12:35] unplugged as in network plug? [12:38] mokush: as in no power goning into the machine [12:39] davmor2: is this some kind of joke? [12:40] mokush: nope pm-utils causes some wifi cards to not connect if the machine is not connect to power. if that was the case there is a work around you can try [12:42] mokush: try "sudo pm-powersave false" then try to connect again [12:42] I'm on a toshiba l300 laptop, always plugged. Atheros AR5007EG wireless card. The network manager does not start at all. [12:43] mokush: Ah okay that's something completely different then [12:45] Riddell: did we reach conclusion on the font? [12:46] apachelogger: It's in. [12:46] as default? [12:46] yes [12:47] cool [12:47] shadeslayer and 999 million other Indians will be most happy [12:49] hm [12:50] dolphin has some serious scaling issues [12:50] 11k files and dolphin goes wocka [13:02] 0_o [13:03] whuh.. [13:03] updateMetaData(): artist: Apollo 440 [13:03] updateMetaData(): title: Stop The Rock [13:03] those were good times [13:03] the 1990's werent so bad after all ^^ [13:03] apachelogger: what font? :P [13:03] the ubuntu font? [13:04] i hates it now .. [13:04] the supreme master font that fell from the heaven after devine intervention by sabdfl [13:04] shadeslayer: yeah, so mainstream, horrible [13:04] * apachelogger shall use gnuunicode or what it was called [13:04] apachelogger: it looks all squashed on my LCD now [13:04] dunno what happened [13:04] the beta one was awesome [13:05] shadeslayer: Try changing the hinting from medium to slight. [13:05] well, open source -> degrading quality right there [13:05] ScottK: should that not be defaulted? [13:05] if it makes the system look better? [13:05] ScottK: is hinting enabled? [13:05] it should, yes [13:05] ( by default ) [13:05] That was part of yesterday's discussion. [13:05] because it is *necessary* for the ubuntu fonts [13:06] ah ok .. [13:06] Currently Ubuntu is defaulting to slight and we are defaulting to medium [13:06] (which is what we had before) [13:06] * shadeslayer has autohinting [13:06] Given we have not very long to make changes, if people aren't happy with it as it is, I'd like to know soon if that helps. [13:06] couldnt that be set on fontconfig level? [13:07] apachelogger: It's in k-d-s/k-n-d-s. [13:07] No idea if it could or not. [13:07] oh wait.. its says medium.. weird [13:08] also K/Ubuntu is catching up in my university.. finally [13:08] not here [13:08] we are all diehard debian fanbois [13:08] hehe .. [13:08] * apachelogger has a debian install just so he does not stick out when he is @ university ^^ [13:08] my university is all pro-MS [13:09] 10 year old debian in my case [13:09] good to see people poking me about k/ubuntu these days [13:09] Riddell: so what, the 3 minor versions more up-to-date kernel does not change much :P [13:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/503863/ is it me or does that function look like something you would not want to call every day? [13:11] ScottK: still squashed :( [13:12] OK. No idea then. [13:12] ScottK: http://imgur.com/vJ1xz [13:12] just to show how it looks like [13:12] Riddell: ^^^ ? [13:13] that looks fine to me, at least it looks like that here too (slight hinting set in fontconfig and KDE to system settings) [13:13] yofel: ill show it with droid sans font [13:14] the ubuntu font is more slim than other fonts, but that's not bad.. [13:14] http://imgur.com/CQWgb [13:14] compare those side by side :> [13:15] * apachelogger starts singing [13:15] I like the Ubuntu one better. [13:16] ScottK: dont the ubuntu ones seem squashed to you? [13:16] right, it's smaller, but it doesn't look different from the beta one, just takes some getting used to [13:16] The problem with fonts is that your opinion is largely colored by what you're used to. [13:16] * yofel misses a mono version though :/ [13:16] its alot different than beta [13:16] from what i observed [13:16] shadeslayer: No, but I don't use either of those fonts, so they are both new to me. [13:16] ScottK: hence I would have +1'd on setting a mono font default [13:16] muhahaha :D [13:17] mono spaced fonts are the uberawesome [13:17] * ScottK was voting for delivering the features before feature freeze. [13:17] well, I couldn't really compare them, as my font settings got messed up for a while when I switched them [13:17] I only use monospace for IRC and Konsole [13:17] * ScottK will let the people who wanted the font figure it out. [13:19] annyyways [13:23] * shadeslayer wants better graphics for installer [13:31] I rather have someone findout why my kmix is broken since I removed pulse [13:34] other way around for me since 4.5 [13:35] kmix started simulating some kind of pulse support, but went from working fine to doing all kinds of weird stuff [13:37] not nice at all [13:58] the font settings in k-d-s and k-n-d-s are broken (has a dot instead of comma) [14:00] Riddell: ^^^ [14:00] They seem to be doing something as I have the new font. [14:01] yes, but the size is set to 12 [14:06] Where do I check that? [14:07] Mine are Ubuntu 7 or * on netbook. [14:07] */8 [14:07] Which means the new size didn't take effect. [14:10] huh, is there any way to disable spell checking entirely? The fact that Konqueror keeps it enabled no matter what I have set for it, keeps crippling my system in time to time [14:18] ScottK: have you changed the fonts in the kcm before? [14:20] debfx: I had not. [14:21] apachelogger: will do [14:49] shadeslayer: Coming to US? [14:49] Oops. I know you are. [14:49] shtylman: Coming to UDS? [15:04] shadeslayer: Now that I've got the font on my netbook, I agree it looks squashed, but maybe I'll get used to it. [15:06] debfx: tsk, I knew that didn't look right [15:07] Riddell: Bumping the font up one size in netbook like we agree was definitely the right choice. [15:20] claydoh_: Please have a look at the proposed release note in Bug #651294 and add it to ours too. [15:20] Launchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294 [15:35] Riddell: do you want me to fix the font settings? [15:38] ScottK: :D [15:38] <3 the beta fonts, the final release is squashed :( [15:39] ScottK: also, everything depends on the Visa [15:39] i hope i get it, but cant say [15:39] Right. [15:43] * shadeslayer notes amarok is all broken [15:49] markey: any news on the applet width bug? [15:49] yeah thats the one i have i think ^ [15:52] are there any plans to add some installation instructions to the Kubuntu website, similar to the ones the Ubuntu website has? [15:52] my girlfriend tried to install kubuntu but didnt know what to do after the download [15:52] ryanakca: ^^^ [15:53] when i showed her the ubuntu website it worked out fine [15:53] zanoi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall/Kubuntu [15:53] I guess the screenshots should be updated [15:54] ulysses: cool, now if that page could be linked to where one download the iso it would be great [15:54] ulysses: also the way the ubuntu website does it is unbelievable user friendly [15:54] (except that it doesn't work with konqueror) [15:55] I don't know how they do, but I'll look at [15:55] ulysses: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download [15:55] aham, I see [15:56] Not bad [15:56] they let you choose which os you're on and whether you want a cd or usb and then present simple steps on how to install [15:56] agateau: Do we have a messaging indicator or a messaging menu in Kubuntu? [15:57] ScottK: mmm, what's the difference? [15:57] ScottK: we have a Plasma widget [15:57] agateau: I want to describe it correctly. [15:57] (it being the plasma widget) [15:58] ScottK: ok, the widget is named plasma-widget-message-indicator so I would go for "indicator" [15:58] Thanks. [16:04] ScottK: I've fixed k-d-s, could you upload it? [16:05] Perhaps in a bit if Riddell doesn't get to it first. [16:05] debfx: Are you doing k-n-d-s too? [16:06] debfx: Does gtk2-engines-qtcurve need fixing too? [16:06] ScottK: yes, it doesn't have a bzr branch, right? [16:06] No idea. [16:06] ScottK: qtcurve is fine [16:06] Cool. [16:07] ScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings_10.10.6.debdiff [16:19] Riddell: Would you mind doing Bug #624512 so I can say it's done when we get to the MOTU section of the release meeting. [16:19] Launchpad bug 624512 in mozc (Ubuntu Maverick) "Please move mozc from Universe to Multiverse" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624512 [16:36] debfx: pong. you asked about news regarding applet sizes? in 2.3.2 I applied a (very hacky) patch shortly before tagging that gets around the issue [16:36] calling resize() on the MainWindow right after startup [16:36] seems to work for most people [16:36] it would however be nice to have this solved for real [16:36] the bug is in Plasma and/or Qt [16:36] noone knows... [16:36] Riddell: I generated the patch here, but as I renamed some .png files they do not appear in the patch, isn't it better just to resync? since the patch would be the same thing? [16:37] I can send you the patch so that you see what changed, mostly bug fixes and a few speedy improvements [16:37] markey: it doesn't work for shadeslayer and me [16:37] debfx: which KDE and Qt version? [16:38] markey: 4.5.1 and 4.7.0 [16:38] interesting [16:38] I have the same setup [16:38] does it work for you on maverick? [16:38] I only heard about issues with KDE trunk now [16:38] yes, it does [16:38] but I suspect this is timing sensitive. my patch simple resizes 1500ms after Amarok is shown [16:38] ScottK: but I should be paying attention to the meeting not processing bugs! [16:39] I guess that time could be too short in some situations [16:39] maybe it's a problem if the window is still hidden? [16:39] Riddell: I know you're a king of multi-tasking [16:39] debfx: aaah, absolutely. that could very well render the patch useless [16:39] I never thought of this [16:40] but we don't have any other solutions anyway... [16:41] calling resize when the window is first shown might do the trick [16:41] debfx: Plasma in KDE 4.5 brought so many regressions for us, it's not even funny [16:41] we had to deal with 4 different bugs [16:41] debfx: that might work, if you can figure out when it is actually rendered on the screen, for real [16:41] polish() doesn't suffice [16:42] maybe waiting for a showEvent() [16:42] or similar [16:42] debfx: my patch is very small, it's in App::resizeMainWindow() [16:42] ScottK: done [16:42] if you look at the code, you'll see instantly how it works [16:42] Riddell: Thanks. [16:44] markey: its pretty randomn [16:44] shadeslayer: this sucks :( [16:44] it works when you start amarok, but then when you restore it, it from systray it sometimes doesnt show it properly [16:45] I spent like 10 hours working around all those Plasma bugs [16:45] at this point, I'd rather switch to Qt Quick at some point [16:45] shadeslayer: for me it only happens when amarok is started hidden to tray [16:45] debfx: how does one do that? [16:46] shadeslayer: close amarok when it's hidden [16:46] it remebers the hidden/shown state [16:47] ScottK: I'm a bit short of things to say in the meeting, we don't have enough problems this release, anything I should say? [16:47] Riddell: Wax poetic about the font. [16:47] oh yus [16:47] markey: debfx: confirmed : http://imgur.com/bSDjD [16:47] KDM still crashing on logout for me, but workaround in a proposed release note [16:48] shadeslayer: you started it hidden in the tray? [16:48] markey: yes [16:48] yeah, that was to be expected [16:48] the way my patch works [16:48] I could try to make an improved version, but not tonight [16:48] could we get it into maverick still, say, on Monday? [16:49] also, for crying out loud, it would be nice to get some help from the Plasma folks... [16:50] Riddell: The X/KDM thing is Bug 651294 [16:50] Launchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294 [16:50] markey: #plasma is _that_ way :P [16:50] I didn't milestone it since I knew it wouldn't be fixed. [16:51] markey: ive just started getting my hands dirty with plasma, simple stuff for now :) [16:52] shadeslayer: hehe, they focus on the KDE Plasma desktop. Amarok's use case is rare, there are hardly any apps that usee LibPlasma [16:52] so it gets little testing [16:52] markey: use something else then... why use something that breaks stuff :( [16:52] lol [16:53] as I said, I want to experiment with Qt Quick. but we can'T depend on Qt 4.7 just yet :) [16:53] ah [16:54] markey: maybe it needs another App::resizeMainWindow() somewhere? [16:54] markey: Why not? It's been released for a week now hasn't it? It's practically obsolete. [16:54] lol [16:55] haha [16:55] shadeslayer: I think the patch should work like this: detect when Amarok is actually _shown_ (which is not so easy), and then trigger the resize() [16:56] hmm [16:56] it's the hackiest patch ever: [16:56] m_mainWindow->resize( m_mainWindow->width(), m_mainWindow->height() - 1 ); [16:56] m_mainWindow->resize( m_mainWindow->width(), m_mainWindow->height() + 1 ); [16:56] :p [16:56] yeah :D [16:57] ok now i really need to finish kdelibs merge or ScottK will come after me :P [16:57] kk [16:58] apachelogger: you're a big fan of hacks that make baby jesus cry, right? see above ^ [16:58] :D [16:59] :O [16:59] It's an opportunity [16:59] you just topped the way I triggered painting of a whole graphicsscene to get a video .... [16:59] by like a 1000000 times [17:00] * apachelogger needs a cigarette [17:01] smoking is bad, m'kay? I stopped long ago, and here I'm sitting with a nice tasty cigar [17:01] apachelogger: drugs + KDE == fluffy ? :) [17:02] can't stop loving cigars.... screw cigarettes though [17:03] Outside of Soviet Russia. Ciggies screw you! [17:04] hehe ... [17:04] * shadeslayer gets 2 tickets for Russia and gives one to apachelogger [17:05] ScottK: how did you sync control and control.in in the last merge? i dont understand [17:05] ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu1 :: specifically [17:05] shadeslayer: control.in should rebuild control if it's changed when you build the source package, IIRC. [17:06] I may have in fact just hand edited them both to be sure. I don't recall. [17:07] ScottK: hmm... right now the diff between control and control.in is http://paste.ubuntu.com/503992/ , i dont think it needs any work, can you tell me if im right? [17:07] im working with control.in only for the second time i think [17:07] shadeslayer: nice airlines :) they have tickets for Russia and separate ones for Soviet Russia? :) [17:07] shadeslayer: line 26 you want to fix [17:08] dasKreech: hahaha :P [17:08] ScottK: ah ok .. [17:09] 18 too i guess? [17:17] Yes, but less important. [17:28] ScottK: erm.. i find 2 patches in debian/patches that have not been documented ( 17_kdelibs_rubberband.diff and 19_debianize_useragent.diff ) [17:28] from debian package [17:29] As long as they aren't new, I wouldn't worry about it. That's a VERY old package. [17:29] hmm... yeah i noticed :( [17:30] but since the changelog doesnt mention them... [17:31] I'm reasonabyl sure 19 isn't needed, but I really wouldn't change more than I have to in that package. [17:32] if I had to guess, I'd think that the package would be almost as old as debian itself [17:32] hehe ... [17:33] then theres 68_support_khelpcenter4.diff [17:33] dunno where that came from either [17:43] ScottK: do we want debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kspell/* ? [17:44] I don't remember. [17:45] hmm... debian has them... [17:45] JontheEchidna: No, KDE didn't get to Debian until ~2000 IIRC. Debian is considerably older. [17:45] but we didnt for last release [17:45] also ... its that time of the year again :D [17:55] ScottK: the KDE packages have been around almost as long as Debian, I think they were even in Debian before they got kicked out [17:55] Ah. I did not know that. [17:55] anyway, why is shadeslayer looking at the kde 3 libs package? [17:56] Hey Riddell, ScottK [17:56] Riddell: Security fixes in a merge from Debian. [17:56] Hello DarkwingDuck [17:56] im almost done [17:56] need to test build after this [17:56] Making the move back to california [17:58] hi DarkwingDuck [17:58] "I just finished uploading the first set of KDE 4.5.2 tarballs." [17:58] hello DarkwingDuck [17:58] ~ninjas [17:58] or something like that [17:58] !ninjas [17:58] DarkwingDuck i thought you were moving to indiana? [17:58] Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger [17:58] Riddell: we does not have kubotu :( [17:59] wow only getting 4.6 kb/s down on the torrent of the rc :( [17:59] and i forgot about !kubuntu :P [17:59] Job fell through [17:59] bummer [17:59] jjesse: zsync++ [17:59] yo [17:59] rgreening: to the bat cave! [17:59] shadeslayer: can't figure out zsync on my windows 7 box i'm on [17:59] :( [17:59] shadeslayer: what’s up? [18:00] hehe :P [18:00] na-na na-na na na... [18:00] Aye but, cali is where I belong [18:00] rgreening: batman? [18:00] bulldog98: 4.5.2 on ktown ... [18:00] haz fun.. i have to finish kde 3 libs first :P [18:00] maco rul3z [18:01] ninja time? [18:01] oh oh oh oh [18:01] maco == batgirl [18:01] Riddell: 0.6.1 rekonq out in a few days.. can we haz in final release ? [18:01] * txwikinger wonders if rgreening wants to be Robin [18:01] * ScottK makes a note to let rgreening's wife know he's making advances on young women on IRC. [18:01] no one wants to be robin [18:01] shadeslayer: unlikely [18:02] SRU? [18:02] not even robin [18:02] shadeslayer: the problem is that I don’t have acces to ktown [18:02] Riddell: ^ [18:02] bulldog98: we can fix that, where's your ssh key? [18:02] Riddell can fix that. [18:02] * txwikinger has to prepare for his presentation tomorrow: Kubuntu Hacking [18:03] txwikinger: where's that? [18:03] ScottK: what is ksvntopng? :P [18:03] Southern Ontario Hackerspace Conference Riddell [18:03] sounds fun [18:03] shadeslayer: No idea. [18:03] mmmkay [18:03] Riddell: yeah.. the name badge is a pcb board with microcontroller for prototyping [18:04] I am trying to build a free toolchain working on Kubuntu for this [18:04] * txwikinger is wondering about Hackers and their dependency on proprietary software [18:08] Riddell: how difficult is it to use kdevelop with a specialised gcc toolchain? [18:08] I've no idea [18:09] I've never used either [18:09] I've never used e [18:09] :D [18:09] maybe I just present the hwo to hack Qt stuff [18:09] \o/ kdelibs done [18:10] oh this is interesting: kdevelop: symbol lookup error: kdevelop: undefined symbol: _ZN8KDevelop4Core10initializeENS0_5SetupE [18:11] txwikinger: broken packages :S [18:11] txwikinger: which release ? [18:11] shadeslayer: lucid [18:11] txwikinger: i mean which kdevelop version ? [18:13] ah.. I think it is still the old kdevelop-kde4 package lingering around [18:14] what is the ninja time for... maverick or preparing for m+1? [18:14] shadeslayer: do you know why rekonq seems to not pick up our font settings? [18:14] it seems to like Liberation over Ubuntu [18:14] hmm [18:14] i think it uses its own config files [18:14] there was a discussion about that IIRC [18:15] ok.. this kdevelop is better :D [18:16] Riddell: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-May/001316.html ? [18:17] lemme confirm [18:19] * markey huggles apachelogger [18:19] apachelogger: you gonna come to Dornbirn? [18:21] heres a question whenever i go to start the 386 rc download torrent i get a message the file is missing [18:22] "errors file missing please recheck" [18:24] Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Ebulldog98/+sshkeys the JonathansRechner one [18:25] shadeslayer: can you remind adjam that the translation for documentation has to be includet into the next tarball [18:25] bulldog98: ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org [18:25] hmm, documentation translations [18:25] bulldog98: i think he already mentioned it [18:25] shadeslayer: ok [18:27] i hate these patches :S [18:29] Riddell: do you guys still have some 10.04 Kubuntu CD stock left over? [18:29] shadeslayer: I think we do [18:29] shadeslayer: want to take them off canonical's hands? [18:29] yeah sure :) [18:29] how many? [18:30] Riddell: not for me, one of my friends wants them, he will mail you the details :D [18:30] ( he will distribute them in his tech fest ) [18:31] shadeslayer: I need a postal address where someone will be in to collect them and a phone number [18:31] sure .. [18:33] hmm i suspect the dc loco could use some too. i think there are more kde users than gnome users among us, so we tend to give out the kubuntu cds pretty quickly [18:34] same rules then [18:43] markey: this patch seems to work: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/amarok_resize_window_hack.diff [18:44] debfx: looking now [18:46] dantti: was there a patch for kpackagekit updates? [18:49] bahahaha ... archive skew [18:49] bzip2: Depends: libbz2-1.0 (= 1.0.5-4) but 1.0.5-4ubuntu1 is to be installed. [18:52] in pbuilder? [18:52] lex79: yus [18:52] Riddell: did you get the mail? [18:52] just login into pbuilder and run the upgrade [18:53] ok ... lets see :) [18:55] lex79: great works :D [18:55] :) === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [18:58] shadeslayer: yes thanks [19:00] Riddell: The font fixes for the various default settings packages are accepted. [19:03] thanks [19:03] silly mistake that [19:05] so finally we have the right font ;) [19:05] go go ninjas https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [19:06] i wonder when the wiki gets a new theme [19:06] since we broken the rules yesterday, today we can upload 4.5.2 in the archive? [19:06] * lex79 giggles [19:06] hehe.. i dont think so [19:07] why not? :) [19:07] IIRC we are supposed to release with 4.5.1 [19:07] that'll annoy both ubuntu people (for breaking freezes with stuff we havn't sufficiently tested) and upstream (for releasing packages before they do) [19:08] I know I'm just kidding :P [19:08] * maco checks the setting on Riddell's Humour Detector [19:08] oh or maybe you have an imbalance of the humours? [19:11] * lex79 takes the hand of maco for a dance [19:13] im thinking of a Doctor Who episode now [19:13] :) [19:18] just reformat/reinstall maverick. hot! only issue thus far is the stupid ass intel/mesa/whatever issue that prevents and/or corrupts the display [19:18] prevents compositing that is [19:20] lex79: issue still present :( [19:20] apachelogger: out of curiosity, how does office fail when using the raster engine? [19:20] shadeslayer: where? [19:20] lex79: when running pdebuild [19:21] did you say that it worked before? [19:21] yes, but as in, when i logged in -> ran dist-upgrade it worked fine [19:22] did you run sudo pbuilder login with --save-after-login ? [19:23] no ... :S [19:23] eh [19:32] shtylman: openoffice crashes right after starting it [19:38] nice [19:39] hi poeple... I am using ubuntu on my laptop... my soundcard works, but the maximum volume level is very low (even though i have turned everything to 100% with alsamixer). does anyone know how to configure the maximum sound level? === You're now known as ubuntulog [19:41] oh, nixternal gone [19:42] !support | howlymowly [19:42] howlymowly: The official Kubuntu support channel is #kubuntu. Please be aware that this channel is for development only. [19:44] lex79: v [19:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/504082/ [19:45] hmm..libart... [19:46] this means you didnt' save the changes when you exit from pbuilder chroot [19:47] erm.. im running pdebuild, im not in pbuilder chroot [19:47] apparently control.in wasnt edited to remove arts [19:47] I don't know about pdebuild [19:49] hmm im sleeping, too tired to continue this... [19:53] control.in files are evil [20:11] You'd love updating python-defaults then. === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [20:56] shadeslayer: ooo going down [20:57] markey: possibly, still not sure about it [21:06] Riddell: I thought there was a patch for that, wasn't it? [21:10] Rats. [21:11] * ScottK wanted to point agateau at my latest blog post, but he's not here. [21:14] * bulldog98 managed to get out what patches were included into kdelibs 4.5.2 [21:16] does someone knows if FAM should be used for kdelibs? cause kdelibs says that FAM and aspell weren’t found [21:18] bulldog98: It's in Universe. No. [21:19] IIRC aspell is on purpose too. [21:19] ScottK: ok [21:25] ScottK: middle-click would be much more convenient than shift-click [21:25] debfx: Not on my laptop. [21:25] I could see having both though. [21:25] dantti: what what? [21:26] dantti: I don't know if it needs patches or not [21:27] Riddell: me neither, yesterday lex79 was asking why weekly is the default check for updates [21:28] ScottK: yeah I guess both wouldn't hurt [21:28] debfx: I'd suggest chat with agateau about it when he's around. [21:28] Riddell: and btw how will we update kpk ? I can send you that patch but it has the .pngs problem [21:29] (but don't bother with a patch unless you are going to do the Canonical copyright assignment.) [22:13] a new fresh bug 653274 [22:14] Launchpad bug 653274 in linux (Ubuntu) "Plymouth doesn't show Kubuntu logo with Nvidia proprietary driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653274 [22:14] if someone is affected, click on "this bug affects you" [22:14] this is a regression from Lucid [22:50] Do I have to write into changelog if I added some files to .install? [22:53] And if I fixed that errors must I rebuild it completly? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [22:58] bulldog98: Yes and depending how you build it probably. [22:59] ScottK: I tryed it via debuild [22:59] If you've got the partial build available you can add -nc to your dpkg-buildpackage or debuild invocation to avoid clean and recomopling everything. [22:59] You should talk to apachelogger about his hooks so you can have the pbuilder run fail open so you can have access to the build in progress. [22:59] ScottK: ok thanks for that info [23:00] You're welcome. [23:02] ScottK: do you know what this means: E: libkdecore5: symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision on symbol _ZN6Sonnet17BackgroundChecker7restoreEP7KConfig@Base [23:03] bulldog98: Run lintian with -i for a detailed explanation. [23:03] If that isn't enough, ask again and we can discuss. [23:04] ScottK: is debuild using as many treads as possible? [23:05] No. [23:05] You need to feed is something like -j $asmanycoresasyouhave [23:08] ScottK: Ok that’s really helpfull cause it will speed up everthing (4 times the treads before) [23:11] well, then, great [23:12] I am going to take a break [23:12] * apachelogger is not doing terribly well [23:12] o/ [23:18] dantti: yo, what needs updated in kpackagekit? [23:18] PNG diffs are ok, those can be handled in debian packaging these days [23:26] Riddell: well you could update everything, since kpk is a svn snapshot [23:26] svn diff showed a message instead of a png diff [23:28] There are still a few png with quetion marks but I didn't had time to investigate that, cause sometimes the icon is showed and when you pass your mouse over it it shows the question mark... weird enough [23:28] sounds like a bug in kdelibs [23:32] ok I'll just take a [23:32] an svn snapshot [23:39] perfect, if found any issues just poke me [23:42] how to add Affects Ubuntu release notes in a bug? [23:53] lex79: if it's kubuntu add a "kubuntu" tag and milestone to 10.10 [23:53] there's a rag for release notes which I forget now [23:53] check with skeat [23:53] I already did in these days, but they can't fix this bug 653274 [23:53] Launchpad bug 653274 in linux (Ubuntu) "Plymouth doesn't show Kubuntu or Ubuntu logo with Nvidia proprietary driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653274 [23:54] so it should go in release note