[19:39] <Mohan_chml> O_O
[19:39] <Mohan_chml> IS HE A BOT?? O_o
[19:40] <phillw> hiyas everyone, please meet the newest member of the team, ubuntulo1, our logging bot. This means you will be able to search logs for questions and answers. I'll get some documentation written up a.s.a.p.
[19:40]  * Mohan_chml read it as UBUNTULOL :P
[19:41] <Mohan_chml> sowwie for that :P
[19:41] <phillw> only you could do that :p
[19:41] <phillw> hello, is it national change nick day?
[19:42] <squinky> There was a namespace problem with the bot apparently... I just saw it when I entered the channel so I fixed it
[19:42] <phillw> again, thanks squinky :-)
[19:42] <squinky> np
[19:43] <phillw> one of the canonical system admin people, very nice person.
[19:43] <squinky> all lies!
[19:43] <phillw> oooh, looks like the logging is working :p
[19:47] <Mohan_chml> O_O
[19:47] <Mohan_chml> mu eyes were in the log?? O_o
[19:55] <phillw> Mohan_chml: lol, I've now to remember how to op myself and add the link for the logs to the topic :-)
[19:55] <Mohan_chml> you want me to help there ?? :P
[19:56] <Mohan_chml> phillw: whats his prefix?
[19:56] <phillw> I will ask on #devil
[19:56] <Mohan_chml> missed one # :P
[19:56] <phillw> ##devil
[19:56] <Mohan_chml> :P
[19:57] <Mohan_chml> phillw: OP the bot
[19:57] <Mohan_chml> if and only if you are having its whole contro
[19:57] <Mohan_chml> *l
[19:57] <Mohan_chml> or NEVER DO THAT
[20:01] <Mohan_chml> !grub
[20:01] <Mohan_chml> :o wrong prefix :P
[20:04] <Mohan_chml> OMGz Now I see who the founder is
[20:05] <phillw> yup,
[20:10] <Mohan_chml> hyperair: are you around?
[20:26] <Mohan_chml> Awesome
[20:27]  * Mohan_chml removes the channel operator status from phillw 
[20:27] <Mohan_chml> :P
[20:30] <bioterror> I could /exec -o cat  some ascii files ;)
[20:30] <Mohan_chml> (:
[20:40] <Kurdistan> hey guys
[20:40] <Kurdistan> I have problem with booting from usb
[20:41] <Kurdistan> same usb works well with a friends computer
[20:41] <Kurdistan> this comes up when I press enter: Could not find kernel image
[20:44] <Mohan_chml> Kurdistan: is it 19.19 ?
[20:44] <Mohan_chml> aww 10.10
[20:44] <Mohan_chml> sorry for the typo :(
[20:44] <Kurdistan> 10.04
[20:45] <Kurdistan> tried to make lubuntu maverick bootable usb
[20:45] <Kurdistan> works great for my friend
[20:45] <Kurdistan> tried both lubuntu maverick and peppermint
[20:46] <Kurdistan> with ubuntu usb-creator and uneetbootin
[20:46] <Mohan_chml> maverick has some prooblems with Bootable USB for now
[20:46] <Mohan_chml> the bug is triaged and the work is under progress
[20:47] <Kurdistan> mohan okey I see
[20:47] <Kurdistan> I will try lubuntu lucid iso image
[20:47] <phillw> Kurdistan: some computers say they can boot from usb, but cannot. I use 10.04 to make usb boot devices, seems to work better than unetbootin.
[20:47] <Mohan_chml> But the strange thing is, it is working in your friend's machine
[20:47] <Kurdistan> I tried peppermint os based on lubuntu and ubuntu lucid
[20:47] <Kurdistan> it worked great for my friend
[20:48] <Kurdistan> phillw when I press F12, 3 option pop ups. one is booting from usb storage.
[20:48] <Kurdistan> then nothing happens
[20:48] <Kurdistan> when I press enter
[20:49] <Kurdistan> Could not find kernel image <<-- comes up
[20:49] <Mohan_chml> Kurdistan: you tried from other ports too?
[20:49] <phillw> Kurdistan: within that, there may a couple of usb options. else it is possible that your bios is telling lies, I had a devil of a time setting my 'boot from usb' up on this laptop.
[20:49] <Kurdistan> Mohan_chml yes
[20:49] <Kurdistan> I can try to format with fat16 or ex3
[20:49] <Kurdistan> it maybe will help
[20:50] <Kurdistan> phillw the bios looks clean
[20:50] <Mohan_chml> Kurdistan: ext3 will be comfortable
[20:50] <Kurdistan> but can you give me advice?
[20:50] <phillw> Kurdistan: try botting in via 10.04 and your friends machine and use that machine to make a 10.10 usb device
[20:51] <Kurdistan> :) I use my friends battery
[20:51] <phillw> else, as Mohan_chml says, just stick with 10.04 until they get the bug sorted.
[20:51] <Kurdistan> guys I will try to format the usb with fat16
[20:51] <Kurdistan> if thats not working out
[20:51] <Kurdistan> I will wait
[20:52] <Mohan_chml> Good luck Kurdistan
[20:52] <Mohan_chml> (:
[20:52] <Kurdistan> :) thx dear friend
[20:52] <Kurdistan> brb
[20:52] <Mohan_chml> okies
[20:52] <Kurdistan> :) I can be inlogged
[20:53] <Mohan_chml> (:
[20:53]  * Mohan_chml falls doen to phillw's laps and sleeps
[20:53] <Mohan_chml> down*
[20:53] <phillw> Mohan_chml: I told you to keep that quiet :p
[20:54] <Mohan_chml> OMG w00t?
[20:55] <phillw> should make interesting reading in the irc.logs !!!!
[20:56]  * Mohan_chml enables quite mode and plasters his mouth
[20:58] <Kurdistan> trying format with gparted
[20:59] <Kurdistan> does this take time?
[20:59] <Kurdistan> how does the new beta of lubuntu works for you guys?
[21:16] <gos> Hi,  Applications menu in Lubuntu lxde can it be changed to a less minimalist and better looking?
[21:19] <Kurdistan> :) I fixed my own problem
[21:19] <Kurdistan> format it to ex3 solved my issue
[21:20] <Kurdistan> lubuntu maverick here I come :)
[21:20] <Kurdistan> brb
[21:27] <gos> i need a menu like gnomenu for lxde
[21:28] <phillw> gos: that would require more 'eye candy' and therefore greater resources of the computer it is running on. The constant battle to maintain "A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration" is not easy for the developers to comply to, but the decision is that lubuntu must be able to run on such a machine.
[21:29] <gos> ok but my computer have 2g of ram and 2mhz cpu
[21:31] <phillw> gos: you are welcome to install whatever you want, have a quick look at http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18 to see some of the crazy things we've done to our lubuntu installations :-)
[21:35] <gos> phillw, I also have modified it a little Lubuntu: http://picasaweb.google.es/112370194056728732538/Gos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMri5qmjk5-2vQE#slideshow/5520754863970339970
[21:37] <phillw> I'd like to link that to the 'crazy things we do' on my forum, with your permission.
[21:37] <gos> ok
[21:38] <gos> you have my license
[21:39] <phillw> would you email me the pics to phillw@phillw.net, with a quick note to say it is okay to use them.
[21:40] <phillw> and when you get the time, would you email me with how you did it. It will not be in the official area, but as you can see; I do keep some unofficial stuff on the lubuntu area of my forum.
[21:41] <gos> ok now im very tired but i will do it more later
[21:48] <phillw> thanks gos
[21:50] <gos> phillw, gnomenu developer should make a cool menu for lxde
[21:51] <phillw> gos: we don't use gnome, too resource hungry.
[21:52] <phillw> but work is being carried out on things like lxappearance etc.
[21:53] <gos> yes because the lxde menu is very ugly  and minimalist
[21:58] <phillw> gos, as i stated earlier; that is a resource issue. Eye candy uses RAM and processor power, there are fully fledged ubuntu with full gnome stuff. that is not the target for lubuntu.
[21:59] <gos> phillw, but Lubuntu  is faster, boots faster, lighter, saves more energy in the battery, which ubuntu, but have to work hard on your desktop to be as usable as a desktop in ubuntu
[21:59] <floating> thinking of installing a linux os to a netbook and thought i try lubuntu. i read this log mentioning a bug and problems installing 10.10 beta/alpha from the usbstick.. should I install 10.04, or wait some days til 10.10 is released, or just try the beta now
[22:00] <phillw> floating: for some it is working fine, but it is still a pre-release. Either use the 10.04 or wait until 10th October (possibly 11th for lubuntu 10.10).
[22:01] <Seq> I've installed Lubuntu 10.10 Beta 2 successfully from a USB stick today and it worked well, except that the USB stick showed a command prompt
[22:02] <Seq> after typing in "help" and using the enter key the stick booted
[22:02] <floating> you used unetbootin for it ?
[22:03] <Seq> no USB-Creator-GTK in Xubuntu 10.10
[22:03] <Seq> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/617779
[22:03] <phillw> the draft notes for the beta2 are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Maverick/Beta/2 I've fully transferred them yet.
[22:03] <floating> ok
[22:04] <phillw> *I've not fully transferred them yet*
[22:04] <gos> loating with Lubuntu 10.04.1 lts I have not had any problem of mistakes or errors in this distribution
[22:04] <gos> floating
[22:05] <gos> floating, only with the limitations of your desktop
[22:05] <phillw> 10.04 is a stable release, 10.10 is in its final test phase.
[22:06] <Timo_> hi phillw!
[22:06] <Seq> and Lubuntu 10.04 is not a LTS release (although it will be provided with Ubuntu related updates anyway)
[22:06] <floating> joh. i probably can keep busy doing something else and come back to it around 10th , but good to know
[22:06] <phillw> hiyas Timo_ :-)
[22:07] <Timo_> nice work on the log bot :D
[22:07] <phillw> Timo_: I nagged them into submission :p
[22:08] <Timo_> hehe
[22:08] <gos> seq in my desktop i have l10.04.1:http://picasaweb.google.es/112370194056728732538/Gos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMri5qmjk5-2vQE#slideshow/5520754863970339970
[22:08] <phillw> Timo_: in all fairness, we are not officially adopted, it was nice of them to approve of the channel having it.
[22:09] <Timo_> yup, but this is yet another step forward into getting it adopted!
[22:09] <Timo_> Question! I've got lubuntu beta 1 on my desktop, can I upgrade to beta2 from within the system? I think yes?
[22:10] <phillw> Yup, I do not the us knocked back on something silly.
[22:10] <phillw> Timo_: the updates will come automatically to you.
[22:10] <gos> i have lubuntu 10.04.1 lts land my distribution  is lubuntu
[22:11] <phillw> gos: the extra .1 was added by ubuntu as part of the continued support of an LTS (even though lubuntu 10.04 is not LTS).
[22:12] <nhandler> !lxterminal | phillw :)
[22:12] <phillw> things like the kernel etc, are updated accross all the family
[22:12] <phillw> nhandler: well cool :D thanks !!!!!
[22:14] <phillw> nhandler: and no doubt you saw me getting the log bot onto the channel as well :-)  You're a true star !!
[22:14]  * phillw likes making nhandler blush
[22:14] <gos> Does my support Lubuntu ltd will be of 3 years?
[22:15] <phillw> gos: the kernel system will be supported as per a LTS, but the lubuntu part is still evolving.
[22:18] <nhandler> phillw: I didn't do much with either of those things ;)
[22:18] <gos> Lubuntu applications will be reviewed or corrected?
[22:19] <murat> hey guys
[22:19] <murat> :) I use lubuntu
[22:19] <phillw> gos: any serious bugs are corrected, I'm not too sure on the adding of extra functions during an LTS series. I do know it requires heavy testing to get something altered for an LTS.
[22:19] <Guest12315> brb its kurdistan
[22:20] <Kurdistan> hey again
[22:20] <Kurdistan> I want to report a bug
[22:20] <nhandler> hyperair or phillw: Can one of you run the second command on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots to set an entrymsg ?
[22:20] <phillw> nhandler: but you tell me where to go nag, badger cajole etc.
[22:21] <Kurdistan> when I install nvidia closed drivers
[22:21] <Kurdistan> ubuntu spalsh screen comes up
[22:21] <Kurdistan> and it goes much slower
[22:21] <phillw> nhandler: I'll OP myself.
[22:21] <Kurdistan> when I use the opensource nvidia drivers it is fast
[22:21] <nhandler> phillw: You don't need to OP yourself to run that command
[22:21] <phillw> Kurdistan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Maverick/Beta/2 has the known bugs in the beta2
[22:22] <nhandler> phillw: Might I also suggest doing: /msg chanserv flags #lubuntu *!*@freenode/staff/* +votiA       ? That will give freenode staff access to intervene in an emergency if the channel operators are not around
[22:22] <phillw> nhandler: let me try...
[22:23] <Kurdistan> but nothing about installing closed nvdia drivers
[22:23] <Kurdistan> make computer run slower and ubuntu splash screen comes up when you make restart
[22:23] <Kurdistan> both when it shoots down
[22:24] <Kurdistan> and same thing with upstarts
[22:24] <Kurdistan> why didnt you guys have software center from ubuntu preinstalled?
[22:25] <Kurdistan> much easier for newbies
[22:26] <phillw> nhandler: I'll have to ask hyperair to issue the freenode staff operation, I do not have authority.
[22:26] <nhandler> phillw: Yeah, sorry. I meant to hilight hyperair on that one. You need +f
[22:27] <gilir> Kurdistan, do you try to run software-center in lubuntu ? it's use 3x more memory than the whole lubuntu session :)
[22:27] <Kurdistan> other then that lubuntu works good :) I will give it a try
[22:27] <Kurdistan> gilir lubuntu session? lubuntu does not have software center only ubuntus synaptic
[22:28] <phillw>  /msg cs DEOP #lubuntu phillw
[22:28] <Kurdistan> gilir the problem with closed nvidia drivers and the problem are you aware of it?
[22:29] <Kurdistan> I get the ubuntu splash screen on upstart/shotdown
[22:29] <Kurdistan> It goes hell slower
[22:29] <Kurdistan> to be exact 10 sec
[22:29] <Kurdistan> it does not make any speed improvent from a normal ubuntu upstart
[22:29] <gilir> Kurdistan, it seems that nvidia drivers are slow on maverick, didn't investigate more
[22:30] <Kurdistan> gilir does lubuntu lucid work better or can I wait for it to work
[22:30] <Kurdistan> I need it to :) see soccer on tv one day
[22:31] <Kurdistan> only reason I use the closed nvidia drivers
[22:31] <Kurdistan> :) I really hope this problem will be solved
[22:32] <Kurdistan> then I will be stuck with your guys forever :)
[22:32] <gilir> Kurdistan, I don't know, I didn't benchmark the 2 situations
[22:33] <phillw> gilir: when do you think hyperair will be next about?
[22:33] <hyperair> phillw: now.
[22:33] <Kurdistan> okey, thats bad.
[22:33] <hyperair> phillw: what's going on?
[22:33] <phillw> hiyas hyperair can you issue the command for the freenode staff, I do not sufficient authority.
[22:34] <hyperair> phillw: what command for freenode staff?
[22:34] <phillw> hyperair: nhandler: phillw: Might I also suggest doing: /msg chanserv flags #lubuntu *!*@freenode/staff/* +votiA       ? That will give freenode staff access to intervene in an emergency if the channel operators are not around
[22:34]  * hyperair is unaware of any such command
[22:34] <Kurdistan> I really hope it will be solved. otherwise I will install the old lady :) ubuntu
[22:35] <Kurdistan> guys brb will try one thing
[22:35] <hyperair> phillw: okay, i've added it to the access list.
[22:36] <phillw> thanks, I tend to do as I'm told when certain things are 'hinted' at :-)
[22:36] <hyperair> ?
[22:36] <hyperair> hinted?
[22:36] <phillw> suggested
[22:36] <hyperair> i know what the word means, i don't know what you mean by that entire sentence.
[22:36] <hyperair> meant*
[22:37] <phillw> it was suggested we give the freenode staffers emergency access, in case the current three OP's are not around.
[22:38] <hyperair> ahokay
[22:38] <hyperair> i'd have thought that they could easily override chanserv to give them access on their own though =\
[22:39] <phillw> possibly, but it more polite to ask :-)
[22:39] <hyperair> heh
[22:39] <hyperair> i mean if the situation arises where this privilege is needed
[22:41] <Timo_> why would such event happen, we're on freenode! Only nice blokesi n here! :D
[22:41]  * phillw has had a good read of http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml as per a request made to me. Hopefully things never to come to the point of having to kick, but as lubuntu gets a wider audience it is sadly inevitable we will get trolls.
[22:58] <Kurdistan> back
[22:58] <Kurdistan> I removed the splash screen :)
[22:59] <Kurdistan> sudo leafpad /etc/default/grub and removed quite splash
[22:59] <Kurdistan> :) now it is only few second slower
[22:59] <Kurdistan> but thats good for me :P
[23:00] <Kurdistan> :) think when some bugs are fixed it will be fantastic
[23:02] <Kurdistan> :( you guys promised me lxde control center
[23:02] <Kurdistan> there is no control center
[23:05] <Kurdistan> brb
[23:21] <Kurdistan> back
[23:21] <Kurdistan> were is the control center?
[23:35] <bioterror> hahahah man I cant stand that bootscreen thingie
[23:35] <bioterror> half of the time it's so fucked up that it's worthless
[23:35] <bioterror> rather have normal init scripts shown
[23:40] <Kurdistan> :) everybody is sleeping
[23:40] <bioterror> I should b
[23:40] <bioterror> e
[23:41] <Kurdistan> guys I hope you will fix all major bugs to 10 oct
[23:41] <Kurdistan> I think people that install closed driver will be confused if they se ubuntu splash screen on shotdown and startup
[23:45] <Kurdistan> I hope I am not hard on you guys