[00:04] I can reliably segfault the X server without trying very hard. Is this something i should be worried about? === mendred_ is now known as mendred [00:09] StrontiumDog, yes [00:11] Daekdroom, I have fglrx installed from standard repo for 10.10, I have virtual box ose installed from standard repo (no customisations to either of these or manually downloaded versions) If I start VBox X crashes when I move the mouse over it (The first window, not a virtual machine). Everytime. I am getting a segfault. Trace now at http://pastebin.ca/1951726 [00:11] I have xinerama enabled and my desktop spread over 2 screens, if that is relevant. [00:14] Woah woah. Xinerama is way beyond my knowledge, but you can sit around and wait if anyone answers, or file a bugt report. [00:14] *bug [01:06] loving the new ubuntu :) [01:17] hi, where is the font manager? [01:19] krabador: System --> Preferences --> Appearance [01:21] i mean that http://static.blogo.it/ossblog/ubuntu1010rc.png [01:21] Will my install of the Ubuntu 10.10 beta update to the release candidate if i run the update manager? [01:21] Opettaja: yes [01:21] Ok ty kklimonda [01:21] StrontiumDog: you have to report it [01:21] Opettaja: if you continue to do updates normally, you have the release candidate [01:22] where is it http://static.blogo.it/ossblog/ubuntu1010rc.png [01:24] am I the only one facing huge probs with video decoding ? [01:24] after a few seconds or minutes I get lots of slow downs === ubuntu_ is now known as krabador [01:33] where is it http://static.blogo.it/ossblog/ubuntu1010rc.png on maverick? [01:33] krabador: it's not installed by default [01:33] kklimonda, ok, it's named "font manager"? [01:34] maybe font-manager ? [01:35] kklimonda, yes i found it on synaptic. it will installed by default on maverick stable? [01:35] no [01:35] maybe in natty [01:36] there is going to be a discussion about installing some better font manager on the next developer summit [01:38] is the "fluendo mp3 plugin" offered for install in the installer a binary blob? [01:38] is it different from the mp3 support previously installed through the ubuntu-restricted-extras package? [01:39] CQN: it's not [01:39] kklimonda, i can report a great general speed improvements, while i'm using nautilus, and i browse many websites with flash (i installed flashplugin-nonfree) on a athlonxp 1800+ 1gb ram and a geforce 4mx [01:40] kklimonda, i look the ubuntu become slow , time after time by the 7.04 [01:40] CQN: I'm not sure if it's installed as a dependency of ubuntu-restricted-extras [01:41] it's recommended by ubuntu-restricted-addons which ubuntu-restricted-extras depends on [01:41] ok, thanks [01:42] kklimonda, maverick i think will be the fastest. can you tell me how many things was improved, to do that? [01:42] krabador: font-manager isn't responsible for any speedups [01:42] kklimonda, yes, for sure. [01:42] my empahty doesn't connect with gtalk in rc [01:43] krabador: no idea what has been done in 10.10 that made it faster on your computer - better X drivers for your gpu may be a reason for that but I'm only guessing [01:43] my ubuntu-one contacts are finally syncing again. ...Yeah! [01:44] good for you [01:45] oh wait, I may be able to fix mine if that's true [01:45] Woah, the default interface font is now the ubuntu logo font? [01:45] yes [01:46] nite [01:46] I'm not sure if I like this or not [01:47] what are the famous default font? [01:56] Some_Person, let me clarify for you: you do like it [01:59] Some_Person: you can always change it [02:00] bjsnider: No, I haven't decided if I do or not, and yes, kklimonda, I am aware that it can be changed [02:05] i'm on maverick rc, can i try to use the next default font? [02:08] krabador: it should be already installed so you just have to change it in System->Preferences->Appearance [02:08] krabador: it's called Ubuntu [02:08] kklimonda, thanx :) [02:09] krabador: if it's no (for example you don't use main archive and your mirror is behind) you can install ttf-ubuntu-font-family [02:09] /join #transmission [02:09] kklimonda, thanx, now i'm trying it :) [02:12] op [02:13] kklimonda, it seems great, what wil be the default configuration of the font? [02:13] krabador: no idea [02:13] krabador: there has been a discussion about it somewhere [02:13] krabador: size 10.5 or 11 afair === gnomefreak changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Official Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat support/discussion | IRC Guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Lucid support in #ubuntu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule | RC Released : See http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010 | The Ubuntu font information can be found http://tiny.cc/50opy [02:14] kklimonda, yes 10 it's little [02:27] How do we know when to pick up a new update and what it has fixed - I am waiting for the fix to bug 652470 [02:27] Launchpad bug 652470 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Shell scripts require execute permission to execute" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652470 [02:32] there is an app to show changelogs during updates however it is better to look at changelog using the source package. if it was fixed than if the dev added bug number to changelog it will close the bug and show what changes [02:34] intrader, just subscribe to the bug and launchpad will send you emails every time anyone comments on it, including when and if it is fixed or the status is changed [03:05] intrader: for the 4th time - only because the behaviour changed doesn't mean that it's a bug [03:51] i love the new installer on 10.10 [04:17] anyone get error before you log into the live cd? [04:18] i get ? [04:48] anyone try ubuntu 10.10 rc [04:50] anyone [04:52] has anyone try the ubuntu 10.10? [04:55] well, most of us who are here did [05:18] on the new netbook edition 10.10 rc ..how do I add stuff to the launch bar? [05:23] anyone have an answer? [05:27] still waiting [05:30] on the new netbook edition 10.10 rc ..how do I add stuff to the launch bar? === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [06:10] hello [06:10] is the problem with installation from usb solved? [06:24] hello. which is the meta package to install xfce? [06:25] got it. xfce4. [06:49] is the problem with installation from usb solved? [07:04] zfe, got a bug link? [07:35] Hi(thx!), could someone who used early gnome 3 builds please tell me if ctrl+alt+T launched a virtual terminal window as in gnome 2.3xxxx? [07:36] by "early" builds I mean anything built before gnome 3 release was postponed [07:40] bazhang: there was an issue [07:40] it wasn't able to boot from usb [07:40] for some reasons [07:40] zfe, using unetbootin to write it? [07:41] bazhang: using unetbootin or even the ubuntu tools [07:41] zfe, try to md5 the iso then re-"burn" [07:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/627672 [07:41] Launchpad bug 627672 in Canonical HWE Popular "[Maverick Beta] install from USB stuck retrieving files 2/6 Hp Mini" [Undecided,New] [07:41] this is the bug i think [07:42] zfe, you have a mini? [07:42] yes [07:42] well, a netbook [07:42] odd. works here on my eeepc [07:43] when did you install it? [07:43] what daily image? [07:43] the beta/RC [07:43] couple of days ago [07:44] ok [07:44] netbook edition? [07:44] yep [07:45] mmm [07:45] so there is the rc around? [07:45] just yesterday [07:45] see the topic [07:46] sometimes takes me a couple of times with unetbootin, not found much success with usb-creator [07:46] hmm has disk utility changed in maverick? [07:47] i cant find a way to look at the sector as mentioned in » http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8981588&postcount=17 [07:48] thanks bazhang [07:48] zfe, welcome [07:51] ran sudo update-manager -d but no notification of release candidate? [07:52] blargh: if you are on 10.10 (beta, alpha or daily) then you don't have to run update-manager -d to upgrade to beta [07:52] blargh: just upgrade system [07:52] kklimonda: you mean just update it? [07:52] blargh, yes [07:54] aaaah so when the final release is out it'll just switch to being 'Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat' as opposed to Ubuntu maverick (development branch) [07:56] !final [07:56] If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Maverick Meerkat and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Maverick. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console. [07:56] yep [07:57] ah great thanks for the help ^^ [08:04] two questions: [08:04] 1. where can i download a particular past alpha cd (e.g. kubuntu jaunty alpha 5)? [08:05] yao_ziyuan, why would you need to [08:05] cdimage.ubuntu.com [08:05] 2. does alpha releases generally run slower / use more hardware resources (e.g. CPU time) than final releases? [08:06] bazhang: debugging a past problem related to that alpha release [08:06] yao_ziyuan, was it not fixed subsequently? [08:07] bazhang: just want to find out what exactly caused the problem [08:08] yao_ziyuan, bug number? [08:08] bazhang: not a public bug [08:08] bazhang: just my own experience [08:08] please see my second question [08:08] 2. does alpha releases generally run slower / use more hardware resources (e.g. CPU time) than final releases? [08:09] yao_ziyuan, alpha5? of course much more problematic. [08:09] am i right that binaries in an alpha release are generally compiled in "debug mode" so that they include more error-checking code and run slower? [08:10] bazhang: are you talking about jaunty alpha 5 or alpha 5s in general? [08:10] yao_ziyuan, jaunty? this is for maverick [08:10] ok [08:10] you always have 5 alphas before betas, right? [08:10] yao_ziyuan, and #ubuntu is for stable releases, not alphas [08:10] i remember jaunty underwent 6 alphas [08:11] cant remember atm [08:11] does the same app, say, ktorrent, compile differently in an alpha and in a final release? [08:12] compile? why not just install from repos? or you mean from the contributors standpoint [08:12] yes [08:13] when they're made into packages [08:13] that was an either or question [08:14] when you release an alpha or beta, you're supposed to build apps with more debugging information, and therefore they would run slower than a final release, right? [08:22] got the answer from #ubuntu-devel and #kubuntu-devel [08:22] good work [08:22] alphas and releases use the same compiler options [08:23] there are separate packages for debugging information [08:23] bazhang: let's chitchat. your nick seems mainland pinyin, so you're from mainland china? [08:24] yao_ziyuan, in #ubuntu-offtopic please [08:30] how does maverick compare to lucid? [08:30] people I have problem with watching on-line movies (by flash player) when compiz started. I'm using kubuntu 10.10 2.6.35-22-generic x86_64. [08:30] in whatever terms [08:30] less bugs? [08:30] stability? [08:30] yes darthanubis [08:31] lol [08:31] im veru happy with stability [08:31] I mean [08:31] that is good [08:31] to hear [08:31] the most stable ubuntu ive ever tested [08:31] good [08:31] and fast [08:31] thats my concern [08:31] im using 64 bit [08:31] me too [08:32] lucid had many issues for both my laptop and desktop [08:32] i want to test it again this debian install and see speed wise [08:32] the last I tesed maverick was beta? [08:32] yes im on it right now [08:32] full is october release [08:33] so even beta, is the best ive had [08:33] system halt @ 4sec [08:33] how is the latest Gnome and Nautilus features? [08:34] are [08:34] there are cool features, not sure if i tested them all [08:34] ubuntu one syncro option in nautilus [08:35] how about the software center, are the paid for apps being advertised at all? [08:35] hmm not sure [08:35] i dont pay apps lol [08:36] I just installed it to Vbox [08:36] I only by android apps [08:36] ok [08:37] im on laptop here [08:37] not tested toucscreen support or androids [08:37] Just got the desktop up [08:37] i love the speeds and compiz eye candy [08:37] everything works this timeµ [08:40] darthanubis: my recent x http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9673/screenshot3dz.png [08:59] Apt (and Update-Manager) downloads freeze after several megabytes. Canceling and restarting apt gets some more MBs downloaded. Depending on the size of files to download, this means lots of restarts. Anyone knows how to fix this? [09:00] your internet connection good mcp_? [09:02] ello, to upgrade from beta to RC, do I have to do something else then running the update manager ? [09:02] lotuspsychje, i think so. Never had that problems until i updated to Maverick. Other Internet-apps (webbrowser/irc) work fine . [09:03] did u update apt-get too mcp_ [09:03] lotuspsychje, there is no update to upt-get available currently. [09:04] ok [09:04] are u on wifi or cable mcp_ [09:04] cable [09:04] strange [09:04] maybe check some recent bugs on launchpad for apt-get? [09:05] Is anyone using the 10.10 RC audio problems with an Intel sound card? [09:06] :( [09:06] just me then? [09:07] no sound issues here twermund [09:08] I had the sound-indicator package disabled before I upgraded, and then decided to try it out after I did my upgrade this afternoon. Now I can't get any audio to work! blech. [09:12] twermund, So you have no sound at all? Did you check your volume-levels in alsamixer? Sometimes upgrading ubuntu mutes the sound. [09:33] hi. since i updated to maverick im not able to connect to Google Talk in Empathy. Can anyone help me? [09:42] zaidka: maybe that will help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9903575 ? [09:43] cool. thanks kklimonda [09:51] is anyone havingsound issues with the 10.10 RC? [09:55] twermund, yes probably [09:59] just checking [09:59] i should NOT run the partial update being offered right now right? [10:02] tetsuo55, RC now? [10:02] what do you mean? [10:07] tetsuo55: Are you currently at Release Candidate Level of 10.10 or are you still running the Beta? [10:08] hello guys - ive got a maybe simple question - [10:08] 'top' throws "TERM environment variable not set." - which term do i have to set or where is this error located ? [10:08] twermund: bazhang > i installed the beta a few weeks ago, and have been updating once an hour [10:12] oh, well something broke my sound when I updated today [10:12] so I wouldn't advise it if you are using an intel sound card [10:12] hi all in ubuntu 10.10 beta mac spoofing is temporary if we logout it goes back to original mac [10:13] is that a bug or originally designed likethat? [10:14] ill try again later then [10:14] twermund! may be any configuration problem [10:15] twermund! is it a dell laptop? [10:15] I've tried purging pulseaudio and reinstalling it [10:16] no, it's an old gateway desktop [10:16] lebeau: I didn't have the indicator-sound package installed when I upgraded to the 10.10 RC this afternoon [10:16] but then installed it to test out the new rhythmbox goodness (can you blame me?) [10:17] after I restarted my sound wouldn't work [10:17] i dont have any updates to the audio stacks available for this partial one [10:18] My friend had dell studio 1555 he got similar problem in his laptop [10:18] lebeau: hmm, sounds like a pretty troublesome bug for a RC [10:18] but we fixed that by a suggestion given in ubuntu forum [10:19] lebeau: and what was that? [10:20] wait [10:20] let me recall [10:21] options snd-hda-intel model=dell-m6 add this in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file [10:21] if you have dell [10:23] you need to be a sudoer to do this [10:24] twermund! ($ nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base) [10:24] the splash screen on boot up and restart messes up with the nvidia drivers installed [10:26] mikehh: then go as single user and remove nvidia drivers and use recovery mode to fix the xserver [10:27] mikehh: Did you use jockey-gtk to install driver? [10:27] can i check what a partial update wants to do beforew agreeing to actually do it? [10:27] lebeau: it doesn't kill the system or anything - it just gets overwritten with terminal info [10:28] twermund: u there? [10:29] on the splash screen [10:29] u got problems with splash screen only correct? [10:29] what is your screen resolution? [10:29] as far as I can see [10:30] i got this problem with ati [10:30] 1600x1080 or something like that [10:30] nvidia driver dosent support this much resolution while boot time [10:31] so we can make it support lesser but better resolution [10:32] lebeau: sorry, I got lost in the forums for a bit [10:32] I'm going to try this fix real fast [10:32] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1316634 [10:32] mikehh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1541970 [10:33] mikehh: try this [10:33] twermund: its ok === om26er_ is now known as om26er [10:37] twermund : http://www.linlap.com/wiki/dell+studio+17 [10:37] twermund : try this too [10:38] anyone tried kubuntu 10.10 [10:39] \exit [10:39] phoenix_: I installed the rc earlier [10:40] mikehh: what can you say about the new version [10:42] phoenix_: it looked quite good, I haven't finished installing everything yet, (in ubuntu 10.10 atm, which I installed from the beta, updated as of a few minutes ago)) [10:43] cheers guys.. i get this in the console while trying to start nautilus: symbol lookup error: nautilus: undefined symbol: g_application_get_type [10:43] any ideas? [10:43] bogdomania: you have some weird nautilus [10:44] weird? then you have it too..it's the same [10:44] I've been using Maverick since beta. However, I'm unable to sync my files to ubuntu one. When I start the ubuntu one config I'm not even prompted to conenct to the service [10:45] g_application_ has been removed from glib before 2.26 release but it shouldn't affect nautilus (which has been fixed not to use those symbols) [10:46] bogdomania: what is your nautilus' version? [10:46] so, a simple update should fix this [10:47] sure, that's the first thing to try [10:47] GNOME nautilus 2.31.90 [10:47] that's what i get while $nautilus --version [10:48] mikehh: is there any ui improvements [10:49] bogdomania: make sure that your system is up to date [10:49] hello === gianluca__ is now known as zfe [10:49] bogdomania: use the main mirror and do standard update dance (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) [10:49] i will update it now.. [10:49] mikehh:the kpackagekit upgrade is good [10:49] does anyone hare successfully use ubuntu one file syncing? [10:50] chandru_in: I use it [10:50] mikehh: how is the vlc player, is it default. have you tried playing any hd videos using vlc [10:50] chandru_in: you should ask on #ubuntuone as that's where developers are [10:50] Can u help me with the issue I mentioned above? [10:51] ok [10:51] phoenix_: not yet, will try some of that stuff later, and report back [10:51] thanks kklimonda [10:51] mikehh: i cant find a good review on the net. can you point a good one [10:53] phoenix_: haven't seen any myself [10:54] anyway got to sort out some other stuff - bbl [10:56] mikehh: see you [10:58] i can't install from usb [10:58] is it normal? [11:10] i can't install from usb [11:10] is it ok? [11:11] <|ns|nR8> yep [11:12] so, there is no way to install ubuntu 10.10 on a netbook? [11:12] :S [11:14] <|ns|nR8> no option to boot from usb ? [11:15] i can [11:15] just it looks broken [11:15] "no initrd found" [11:15] and it seems it is a common problem for ubuntu 10.10 [11:15] <|ns|nR8> tried alternate ? [11:15] <|ns|nR8> alternate installer [11:18] yes [11:18] same problem === thade_w is now known as Alexia_Death_ [11:30] will a dist-upgrade on beta push me to RC? [11:31] <|ns|nR8> apt-get update [11:32] <|ns|nR8> apt-get upgrade [11:37] hello. I've installed maverick rc on hp/compaq 8510p laptop and middle touchpad buttons aren't working. they used to in lucid. In fx middle-clicking acts similar to left-click and most other apps simply ignore it (I use it to access the "other" clipboard). my xorg.conf didn't specify any options regardins this touchpad. middle click works with external mouse. see http://pastebin.com/6S9i3AiM for some log [11:38] how can I re-enable middle button? [11:48] anybody solved the problem with booting from usb drive? [11:53] zfe: have you tried unchecking the "persistent storage" option in usb-creator? [11:53] i tried [11:53] but lemme retry [11:53] ah, i'm using the usb-creator from a non-ubuntu distro [11:53] is it ok? [11:54] no idea [11:54] it may be a problem [11:54] why is it so troublesome by the way? [11:55] no idea, I'm just aware of some problems with the usb installer [12:11] hm, just installed 10.10 RC and now it's broken again [12:11] too good that yesterday I downloaded the Beta image for installation on my external hdd [12:11] BajK, broken how [12:12] bazhang: a similar behaviour as I had a few weeks ago. I installed it, started it, all fine. then apt-get update && dist-upgrade and now xserver does not start up anymore [12:12] but at least this time it does not end up in an infinite loop but I end up at the console after the second crash [12:12] but I didn't have time finding out the reason or looking up log files so far [12:12] intel? [12:12] BajK, why not wait for the packages held back [12:13] ie just upgrade, not dist-upgrade [12:13] gnomefreak: virtualbox on nvidia [12:13] oh [12:13] bazhang: hm.. good point. well, i always do that and it always works^^ [12:13] nvidia works here [12:13] gnomefreak: but even desktop effects were working good but well [12:13] when backup is finished I'll give it another try [12:14] BajK, desktop effects work in virtualbox? [12:14] bazhang: yes? [12:14] nvidia (non vm) works great here with oss drivers [12:14] of course the 3d cube and stuff don't work but shadow effects, dimming parent windows, window previews and such work fine [12:15] hmm. never bothered with a vm [12:15] but yesterday I installed kubuntu 10.10 beta on my external hdd for school usage [12:15] (and showed it a friend of mine, he loves it) [12:16] * gnomefreak loves it too ;) [12:16] I was sceptical about 10.10 [12:16] but [12:16] there are improvements that just make it neccessary for me :D [12:16] such as the great great kpackagekit [12:16] and krunner is not that slow anymore [12:16] and i do mostly anything via krunner so this is a thing very important to me [12:17] ah this is kubuntu then [12:17] it looks like oo.o is being updated [12:17] I don't like gnome, so this is why KDE :D [12:17] or well it's not that i don't like it [12:17] but i am just too lazy getting used to something differnet [12:17] yep ubuntu here [12:17] I grew up with KDE since version 1.0 back in 1999 [12:18] but I consider the theme changes in 10.10 a step back [12:18] i have too many DEs to name let alone remember [12:18] i loved the arrows for maximize/minimize [12:18] but I find the sqare and horizontal line don'T fit the round buttons [12:19] gnomefreak: I hope oo.o will get an update [12:19] I use MS Office with Wine :) [12:19] If microsoft can do just one thing, than it's a great office package [12:19] *then [12:19] BajK: for me it is now but not sure the version you were hoping for [12:19] gnomefreak: ? [12:19] BajK: OO.o update [12:20] hm, I am hoping for a major interface update^^ [12:20] 1:3.2.1-7ubuntu1 [12:20] I don't expect ribbons but oo.o looks so 20th-century.. [12:20] I hate backing up games -.- [12:21] i dont ever play games on PC [12:21] g [12:21] I mostly don't. [12:21] but sometimes i need to^^ [12:21] I re-encountered my old Star Trek Bridge Commander :) [12:21] i love it [12:22] hm but there are still some bugs in kio... it shows "0 seconds left" and does not display a tarnsfer rate.. [12:24] hi, is there a way to make tomboy's systray icon behave normal? [12:24] djdarkman: what do you consider "normal"? [12:25] like in Lucid, without that foreced indicator-like behavior [12:25] *forced [12:25] i don't get what you mean [12:25] djdarkman: gnome or kde? [12:25] gnome [12:26] ah okay, that's why. I am not a gnome-person :) [12:26] right clicking doesn't work, clicking it with left, brings up a horrible menu [12:26]