[00:11] <skeeby> hggdh, will that generate an output file for the --debug
[00:20] <hggdh> skeeby: yes, under /var/log/daemon.log
[00:20] <hggdh> rather, in
[00:20] <skeeby> gotchya
[00:20] <skeeby> i will do that next chance i get
[00:21] <skeeby> persia, btw hi ^_^
[00:24] <hggdh> skeeby: it is also a good idea to run this through a normal boot (so you will have a reference to look at)
[00:25] <hggdh> skeeby: finally, you will have to at least look at /etc/init/gdm.conf to find out what are the requirements for GDM to start
[00:26] <skeeby> got it
[01:59] <drizzle> can someone mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/652568 as wishlist
[01:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652568 in empathy (Ubuntu) "new chat doesn't open new window (no setting available) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[02:01] <hggdh> drizzle: done
[02:02] <drizzle> thank you
[02:02] <hggdh> yw
[05:28] <intrader> I had been following on bug 652470 with kklimonda. Nothing conclusive yet, but strange behaviors noticed.
[05:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652470 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Shell scripts require execute permission to execute (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652470
[06:07] <persia> intrader, I think you have three bugs there.  1) weaknesses in MIME handling for #! scripts, 2) lack of "Execute as root..." functionality in MIME handling for #! scripts, and 3) issues with MIME handling for .EXE, .COM, .BAT
[06:08] <persia> Note that one has to attend to filesystem limitations, etc. for the third item, which is sure to cause significant confusion for many who may be able to replicate the issue.
[06:09] <persia> I'll mention that most of the "Execute as root" stuff currently tends to just-work if one was able to execute as root recently (sudo caching), and may need significant work if someone wants a policykit-based solution (so I expect #2 to be the hardest of the described issues to resolve)
[06:10] <persia> Oh, and I'm convinced none of it is nautilus: it's the MIME hinting providers (although some of this might be in nautilus-data, anything that happens to be there is just masking other bugs)
[06:50] <rbhatta> for the 3rd issue the desired operation should not take any action unless wine is installed
[06:52] <rbhatta> if wine is installed then it should open with it. else any binary extension from Windows / Mac / RPM should not take any action
[06:54] <rbhatta> and for the 2nd issue, isnt there a plugin for nautilus which allows "open as root".. i am trying to look it up
[07:07] <rbhatta> i am unable to get the plugin to work.. but i think the plugin is called nautilus-gksu
[08:08] <persia> rbhatta, Nice investigation.  Sounds like #2 can become fixable.  #3 is still a bug in WINE: it oughtn't run stuff that isn't executable.
[08:09] <persia> Do we already have bugs for these against nautilus-gksu and WINE?
[08:11]  * persia sees heaps of nautilus-gksu bugs against gksu, and isn't sure which is right in the slightest
[08:11] <persia> rbhatta, Would you say the WINE bit is bug #355005
[08:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 355005 in wine (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "Malicious executable code defaults to "Open with", cannot be changed (dups: 2) (heat: 248)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355005
[08:14] <persia> No.  The fix for that doesn't solve the issue in bug #652470
[08:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652470 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Shell scripts require execute permission to execute (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652470
[08:30] <persia> Could someone double-check my partial-triage comment in 652470?
[08:42] <persia> If (as is suspected) bug #652283 is private as a security bug, could someone make it public, or if it needs be private, subscribe the bug supervisors for WINE?
[08:42] <ubot2> persia: Bug 652283 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/652283 is private
[08:42] <persia> ubot2, I know.  That's why I asked about it :p
[08:42] <ubot2> persia: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[08:42] <persia> I would never make that mistake
[11:05] <m4rtin> is there any non-graphical interface to "ubuntu-bug" that I can use? Trying to run it on a friend's machine over the internet and the connection keeps dying when using the graphical interface
[11:06] <kklimonda> apport-cli
[11:06] <kklimonda> m4rtin: ^
[11:06] <nigelb> beat me to it
[11:07] <m4rtin> thank you :)
[11:33] <Tiibiidii> uhm
[11:34] <Tiibiidii> today i noticed one thing
[11:34] <Tiibiidii> mono executable
[11:34] <Tiibiidii> mono executables
[11:34] <Tiibiidii> have the wine icon
[11:37] <Tiibiidii> and indeed, by right clicking it says x-ms-dos-executable
[11:37] <Tiibiidii> but if i check from the commandline
[11:37] <Tiibiidii> i get:
[11:37] <Tiibiidii> PE32 executable for MS Windows (console) Intel 80386 32-bit Mono/.Net assembly
[11:38] <Tiibiidii> and, being a mono executable, it could be better off with another icon
[11:38] <Tiibiidii> can someone here who doesn't have wine installed, tell me how are displayed his mono icons?
[11:39] <Tiibiidii> (you can find a mono executable in /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe for example)
[12:13] <rbhatta> persia, i apologize... I joined the bug squad today.. so not sure of the old bugs.. learning the process as we go along... I will look through and let you know on the wine bug
[12:50] <AbhiJit> hi
[14:06] <njin> pedro_
[14:07] <njin> pedro_: are you around ?
[14:08] <pedro_> njin, hola!
[14:08] <pedro_> yes i'm around
[14:08] <njin> hola pedro
[14:09] <njin> pedro_: i0m having too report with dpkg issue of packages not installed that are installed
[14:25] <rbhatta> hi, regarding the bug when editing path in location bar, delete key is eaten by file view (i.e., *deletes files*) Bug #652089
[14:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652089 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "when editing path in location bar, delete key is eaten by file view (i.e., *deletes files*) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652089
[14:26] <rbhatta> i am unable to reproduce this... the only diff b/n the reporters machine and mine is the encryption of the fs
[14:27] <pedro_> rbhatta, are you on Maverick or Lucid?
[14:27] <rbhatta> lucid
[14:27] <pedro_> rbhatta, could you please comment on the report and set it to Incomplete?
[14:27] <pedro_> rbhatta, i cannot reproduce it with Maverick either
[14:27] <rbhatta> sure doing it right now....
[14:27] <rbhatta> thanks
[14:28] <pedro_> rbhatta, maybe you can also ask to the reporter for reproduction on a new user on the system
[14:28] <pedro_> rbhatta, thanks to you for helping!
[14:32] <rbhatta> hmm
[14:35] <jonasfa> Maverick RC's Empathy seems to fail to connect to google talk
[14:35] <jonasfa> tried several times. it works fine when I pick Jabber though
[14:36] <AbhiJit> jonasfa, you are asking for help? ask in #ubuntu+1
[14:36] <pedro_> jonasfa, works fine here
[14:37] <jonasfa> pedro_: it's easiyl reproductible. every time I pick "Google Talk" as protocol, it fails with "Network error"
[14:37] <jonasfa> pedro_: when I pick Jabber and fill in the server address mannually, it works though
[14:37] <pedro_> I'm connected to it
[14:38] <pedro_> jonasfa, let me try with other account, one sec
[14:38] <AbhiJit> is there channel for ubuntu paperclip?
[14:39] <jonasfa> pedro_: ok. i'm using a common google account (not g-apps)
[14:39] <AbhiJit> oh
[14:39] <AbhiJit> papercuts i mean
[14:44] <pedro_> jonasfa, yeah same thing with a new account, may you please open a new bug report so we  can follow up there?
[14:44] <pedro_> jonasfa, please use: ubuntu-bug empathy
[14:44] <jonasfa> pedro_: sure. ok
[14:44] <pedro_> jonasfa, thank you!
[14:45] <jonasfa> pedro_: ty too ;)
[14:45] <pedro_> request_connection_cb: RequestConnection failed: Account parameter 'server' may not be set to an empty string <- that might be it
[14:53] <jonasfa> pedro_: it had already been reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/649561
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 649561 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy 2.32.0 no connection to gtalk possible (Maverick) (affects: 7) (dups: 3) (heat: 50)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[14:56] <pedro_> jonasfa, even  better :-)
[14:57] <hggdh> @bug-controllers: can one of you answer Jack Leigh's request for admission? I have, but I would like to have a second vote
[14:57] <meetingology`> hggdh: Error: "bug-controllers:" is not a valid command.
[14:57] <hggdh> darn. forgot the meeting bot :-(
[15:00] <pedro_> it was the empty server string the log showed :
[15:00] <pedro_> - empathy_account_settings_set_string (settings, "server", NULL); <-
[15:00] <pedro_> jonasfa, ^
[15:01] <seb128> pedro_, I think cassidy and didrocks discussed a fix for that earlier
[15:01] <seb128> pedro_, didrocks said he would upload it
[15:02] <pedro_> so it's on the latest build?
[15:02]  * pedro_ checks
[15:02] <seb128> pedro_, no, it has been commited to git today
[15:02] <seb128> you can ask didrocks about it
[15:03] <jonasfa> pedro_: i see.. also, i've been on a situation while installing the maverick rc
[15:03] <jonasfa> it might not not be a bug but it's certainly a usability issue
[15:03] <pedro_> seb128, will do thanks
[15:04] <jonasfa> i couldn't connect to my wi-fi network because my keyboard layout was set up yep
[15:04] <jonasfa> my network passwrd contains a special character that i couldn't type
[15:04] <pedro_> jonasfa, yeah, and the workaround is pretty easy, just enable a jabber account and that's it
[15:05] <jonasfa> pedro_: sure
[15:05] <pedro_> jonasfa, that was during the installation or after it ?
[15:05] <jonasfa> during the installation
[15:06] <jonasfa> pedro_: in maverick installation there's a feature that downloads and installs updates during the installation
[15:07] <jonasfa> pedro_: as i couldn't set up my network (because of my keyboard), i coudn't benefit from this feature
[15:07] <pedro_> jonasfa, so the problem was before, on the keyboard language selection?
[15:08] <jonasfa> pedro_: the keyboard language selection is shown AFTER the moment when i could choose to download updates
[15:09] <pedro_> jonasfa, file a bug for it then, were you testing with the live cd?
[15:09] <jonasfa> yes.. a live USB stick actually
[15:09] <jonasfa> pedro_: i've got another one on the installer xD
[15:09] <pedro_> ok best thing to do is to file a bug :-)
[15:10] <jonasfa> it would be very useful if the battery indicator were shown during the installarion
[15:10] <jonasfa> pedro_:ok :)
[15:14] <charlie-tca> jonasfa: was that the checkbox for downloads shown first?
[15:14] <jonasfa> charlie-tca: yes
[15:15] <charlie-tca> It should have a box you can check to have the updates downloaded during the install, which you can put the check in. It doesn't actually do that until after all the other information is submitted and the slideshow starts
[15:23] <jonasfa> does anybody knows the ubuntu installer "package"?
[15:25] <jonasfa> i'm having trouble trying to fill a bug for the ubuntu installer :( `ubuntu-bug` requires a package name, but I don't know it
[15:27] <pedro_> jonasfa, ubiquity
[15:27] <jonasfa> pedro_: ty
[15:27] <pedro_> yw
[15:28] <jonasfa> nice.. now i think i found a bug in ubuntu-bug
[15:29] <jonasfa> when i click "Send report" it fails with message: "Cannot connect to crash database, please check your Internet connection.
[15:29] <jonasfa> [Errno 13]\n Permission denied: '/var/log/installer/casper.log'"
[15:33] <mrand> jonasfa: not sure what's up with that... I filed a bug with an RC using ubuntu-bug without problem.
[15:33] <jonasfa> mrand: me too.. maybe it's related to reporting a bug about a package that's not installed.. dunno
[15:34] <jonasfa> mrand: the package i tried to report a bug is ubiquity
[15:39] <mrand> jonasfa: mine was too
[15:40] <jonasfa> mrand: haven't it failed?
[15:40] <jonasfa> mrand: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/653046
[15:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653046 in apport (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] ubuntu-bug fails when reporting a bug about ubiquity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:40] <jonasfa> mrand: i've included screenshot
[15:43] <joumetal> does ubuntu-bug need sudo?
[15:46] <vish> joumetal: noe
[15:46] <mrand> joumetal: not if you are creating a new report
[15:46] <vish> nope*
[15:46] <jonasfa> it worked with sudo!
[15:46] <jonasfa> ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[15:47] <vish> joumetal: it will ask for password if you are trying to grab an admin-access only file..
[15:48] <vish> like for xorg bugs which try to grab gdm logs
[15:49] <mrand> jonasfa: were you doing it from an installed system?  I was doing it from the live CD.
[15:49] <jonasfa> mrand: installed system
[15:49] <jonasfa> mrand: maverick RC
[15:50] <jonasfa> mrand: ubuntu-bug works just fine for any other package but ubiquity
[15:50] <vish> installed sys has ubiquity ??
[15:50] <jonasfa> vish: no
[15:50] <jonasfa> vish: it was mentioned at the report content
[15:51] <mrand> you had to install it.  That system is turned off right now, so I can't test for another 12 hours.
[15:51] <vish> ah nvm then. i dint read the full backlog ;)
[17:09] <kamusin> :)
[17:48] <bdmurray> jcastro: so what were you interested in?
[17:51] <jcastro> bdmurray: I would like a list of everyone who is in bugcontrol, sorted by # of bugs linked to an upstream bug tracker
[17:51] <jcastro> and patches too if we can get that
[17:51] <bdmurray> jcastro: bug watches added or bugs forwarded upstream?
[17:52] <jcastro> bdmurray: oooh, both!
[17:52] <bdmurray> jcastro: well, I'm not certain how achievable the later is ;-)
[17:53] <jcastro> ok
[17:53] <jcastro> whichever spits out a bunch of numbers to allow me to determine if people that I'm putting in bugcontrol on behalf of upstream projects are making a difference.
[17:54] <jcastro> bdmurray: so I can either do "this is why your project needs someone in Ubuntu, find one!" or if I need to determine that my efforts are total fail
[18:22] <intrader> I notice and interesting behavior of shell scripts - 'exec' command within the shells script does not execute a file if the permissions are set to '-rwxr-xr--'; but if I execute the script via `./script-name.sh` the `exec` command works fine.
[18:36] <hggdh> intrader: can you give me an example? Works for me
[18:38] <intrader> hggdh, please download the one-click image from pharo.org. This file has a shell script Pharo.sh which contains an exec of sqeuakvm. If you wish I can pastebin the script
[18:38] <intrader> hggdh, sorry that is squeakvm
[18:39] <intrader> hggdh, did you execute the script file via the context menu's 'Open'?
[18:40] <hggdh> intrader: I got to pharo.org, but I see no script
[18:40] <intrader> hggdh, there is a download for the one-click image
[18:41] <hggdh> heh. I see no one-click image
[18:42] <hggdh> intrader: just pastebin it, please
[18:44] <AlexzAK> hggdh: Hi! How you doing? I readed copyright file from package mascyma_0.59-1ubuntu3_all.deb (bug #652299). It says "It was Debianised by Ubuntu MOTU Developers". So package maintainer is not debian. Maintainer is ubuntu-motu!
[18:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652299 in mascyma (Ubuntu) "Package does not contain .desktop file, so dont displayed in menu (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652299
[18:44] <intrader> hggdh, here is the pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/504044/
[18:46] <hggdh> AlexzAK: give me a few
[18:46] <AlexzAK> hggdh: ok. I'll wait...
[18:46] <intrader> hggdh, the one click url is http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27303/Pharo-1.1-OneClick.zip
[18:49] <hggdh> intrader: should work. I am guessing you are getting the wrong ROOT
[18:52] <hggdh> intrader: change it as in http://paste.ubuntu.com/504049/ and run again, then look at the generated output
[18:54] <hggdh> AlexzAK: yes indeed, this is an Ubuntu-maintained package (or so it seems, not in Debian)
[18:57] <AlexzAK> hggdh: You sayed this bug should be fixed at upstream... I thinked upstream is debian, but i was wrong... So upstream provides incorrect deb package build script. Mainainer (ubuntu-motu) uses it. I think this bug should be fixed by maintainer and optionally commited to upstream. Am i right?
[18:57] <intrader> hggdh, there is no output. If I run as `./pharo.sh` it works. It only fails in the case of the 'Open' in the context menu.
[18:57] <hggdh> AlexzAK: yes, but I cannot find any reference to whom is upstream for it
[18:58] <hggdh> intrader: context menu of what? Nautilus?
[18:58] <intrader> hggdh, yes - by the way, I had no idea that Gnome was called nautilus
[19:02] <intrader> hggdh, please refer to bug 652470 for background - and there are comments by various persons. It appears that the behavior is changing as we speak; yesterday, nautilus did not offer the 'Open' only 'Open with gedit'
[19:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652470 in wine1.2 (Ubuntu) "Shell scripts require execute permission to execute (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652470
[19:03] <hggdh> intrader: I created a small test case. It runs fine from the Nautilus context menu (http://pastebin.com/XdjZKJhg)
[19:04] <intrader> hggdh, I have no idea which it insists in 'wine1.2'; this is not a wine issue.
[19:04] <hggdh> I will correct
[19:05] <AlexzAK> hggdh: Copyright file says "http://home.arcor.de/mulk/index.xhtml.en" (last update at 2006) and emails gericht@users.sourceforge.net, mulk@mbenkard.de
[19:06] <hggdh> AlexzAK: file name, please
[19:06] <intrader> hggdh, as to your pastebin, the exec is referencing a shell file - I bet it has the executable permission on it. The problem in the pharo one-click is with the squeakvm file.
[19:08] <hggdh> intrader: shell-executable files *MUST* have X on
[19:09] <intrader> hggdh, not true for all ubuntus before 10.10, opensuse, mandriva, and unix opensolaris
[19:09] <hggdh> the shell 'exec' will only work if this is true.
[19:10] <hggdh> if it worked before, then this was a HUGE security exposure
[19:10] <pedro_> i don't understand the .exe .bat etc part
[19:10] <intrader> hggdh, again for exec - not true for all ubuntus before 10.10, opensuse, mandriva, and unix opensolaris
[19:10] <pedro_> why is that a security issue for us?
[19:10] <hggdh> pedro_: it is not...
[19:10] <pedro_> this is not ms.
[19:11] <intrader> hggdh, pedro, image an .exe file that does not use libraries, but it is simply a rootkit.
[19:11] <pedro_> if you follow the same workflow using the command line
[19:11] <pedro_> what would you expect to happen?
[19:11] <AlexzAK> hggdh: This file http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/mascyma/maverick/annotate/head%3A/debian/packages
[19:12] <pedro_> intrader, so exe as in a mono built ? otherwise i don't understand.
[19:13] <intrader> hggdh, pedro, but let's not talk about the security implications of allowing .exe, .bar, and .com file that is handled by bug 652283
[19:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652283 in ubuntu "Shell scripts require executable permission - prior ubuntus and unix do not (affects: 1) (heat: 262)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652283
[19:13] <pedro_> intrader, i'm still wondering about the other part though
[19:14] <intrader> hggdh, pedro, wow, without informing me, 652283 is no longer a security issue bug
[19:14] <pedro_> intrader, what would you expect if you try the same workflow from the command line?
[19:14] <pedro_> re the open part on nautilus
[19:15] <intrader> hggdh, pedro, same behavior as from the nautilus context menu selection of 'Open'
[19:15] <hggdh> intrader: 652283 was close INVALID. An explanation of (1) why it is not a security bug, and (2) why it is invalid is provided in the comments
[19:15] <pedro_> intrader, so you're saying that all the files should have an executable flag?
[19:15] <pedro_> that sounds really bad to me.
[19:15] <hggdh> I am fundamentally against...
[19:15] <pedro_> and if you want to set the executable flag from nautilus is pretty easy, right click, allow the file to be executed
[19:16] <pedro_> and that's all
[19:16] <pedro_> i  still don't see why that should be changed
[19:16] <intrader> hggdh, pedro, no only script files once the '#!' is examined
[19:16] <AbhiJit> om26er, hey what happen?
[19:17] <hggdh> intrader: NEVER! This would allow for downloaded files to execute arbritarily
[19:17] <pedro_> intrader, same thing, do you expect the same from the command line then?
[19:17] <intrader> hggdh, pedro, right click does not bring up the 'Open' for script files that do not have the execute permissions on; contrary to all other linuces, and unices
[19:18] <hggdh> intrader: other linuxes, unixes are dangerous, then
[19:19] <hggdh> intrader: this is a security exposure, and (even more) goes against a basic *IX paradigm: executables MUST have the eXecute bit on
[19:19] <pedro_> sounds really odd that you can 'execute' anything
[19:19] <pedro_> you might want to file bugs for those distros instead
[19:19] <hggdh> I certainly would vote against making Ubuntu another Windows-like system in this respect
[19:20] <intrader> hggdh, pedro, what I notice is the different behavior - and try the script file with proper '#!'  in 9.04, mandriva, opensuse, etc.
[19:20] <hggdh> intrader: if previous Ubuntu versions allowed files starting with a shebang to run even without the X bit on, they were insecure
[19:21] <hggdh> (I cannot test, do not have any older Ubuntu desktop available)
[19:21] <pedro_> intrader, btw fedora 13 is not doing that either
[19:21] <pedro_> just tested it with a live cd
[19:21] <AbhiJit> om26er, u thr?
[19:21] <intrader> hggdh, pedro, it is odd, but that's the way it was. Now you are denying that capability for all script files requiring the executable bit - and, true they were different, not insecure per se.
[19:22] <hggdh> intrader: it is odd that this was allowed, not that this is not allowed anymore.
[19:22] <intrader> pedro, fedora 11, does as does ubuntu 9.04
[19:22] <AbhiJit> bye and gn all
[19:23] <pedro_> intrader, old releases, right.
[19:23] <AbhiJit> bye om26er going now sleeping! :D
[19:23] <hggdh> intrader: allowing files without the X bit to execute is a security exposure. As simple as that
[19:24] <intrader> pedro, hggdh, I agree, but the new way is way incompatible - you will see a lot of flak from the python and perl camps
[19:25] <intrader> pedro, hggdh, I don't know the reason behind the behavior, but is seems to defer to the shell interpreter security decisions.
[19:25] <hggdh> intrader: they will adapt if needed. We are not going to (re)open a can of worms because of flak. This is -- in this case -- a security issue
[19:25] <njin> hello to all . usb speakers play sound fine in gnome, but he has to change settings to play kde games https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/650785 my external jack speaker works fine with kdegame
[19:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 650785 in ubuntu "usb audio issue with kdegames (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[19:26] <pedro_> intrader, is not an issue for the packages on Ubuntu which are using perl/python scripts on it
[19:26] <AlexzAK> intrader: if i want to execute any file, i'll give em +x... i think this is standard way to execute file
[19:26] <hggdh> intrader: no, it does not. It defers to the *IX system security principles
[19:26] <pedro_> so i don't think we're way incompatible
[19:26] <pedro_> if you want to execute something, set the executable bit
[19:26] <pedro_> as said previously, we should behave the same way the command line does
[19:27] <pedro_> can you execute files without having the executable bit from the command line with a ./blah ?
[19:27] <pedro_> no you can't
[19:27] <pedro_> why we should go the other way around ?
[19:28] <pedro_> but anyways, you're welcome to write to the kernel list and ask for that
[19:28] <intrader> pedro, hggdh, that is a ubuntu decision - that requires a lot of change to a lot of script files worldwide; we shall see. As to the problem I am experiencing with the pharo one-click
[19:29] <hggdh> intrader: no, this is not really an Ubuntu decision. It is common sense, and any other *IX that does not do the same is exposing their users to arbritrary code execution
[19:30] <intrader> pedro, what I describe is that from the context menu 'Open' the script does not complete (perhaps due to the squeakvm exec call, I don't know) - from the command line `./pharo.sh` works just fine
[19:31] <hggdh> intrader: I asked you to change the script like the sample I gave you. Only by looking at the output we will be able to find out *what*, and *where* is the problem
[19:32] <intrader> hggdh, pedro: What decision was made by the developer between 9.04 and 10. The script you sent has executable bits on the shell scripts that execute with the `exec` command.
[19:32] <njin> kde users bug 652863
[19:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652863 in ubuntu "plasma-panel and window-decorations not transparent (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652863
[19:33] <intrader> hggdh, pedro: that also works for me. As you see you are requiring change to the scripts to run in the new-fangled ubuntu
[19:33] <hggdh> intrader: (1) add a '-x' on the #! /bin/sh line; (2) add a 'exec > /tmp/output.$$.log 2>&1' as the first line after the shebang
[19:33] <hggdh> intrader: (3) pastebin the resulting file after you try to execute
[19:33] <intrader> hggdh, I will do that to find out what is going on
[19:36] <intrader> hggdh, damm, vi is not working - no commands for cursor movement.
[19:36] <hggdh> AlexzAK: so this seems to be an UBuntu package for real
[19:36] <hggdh> AlexzAK: all we need, then, is to add in the .desktop, and propose a debdiff/bzr branch
[19:38] <AlexzAK> hggdh: You saying we need to make new bzr branch with fix?
[19:39] <intrader> hggdh, damm, vi working - my mistake
[19:40] <hggdh> AlexzAK: this is an option, yes. All that is needed is to get the .desktop file moved to the right place
[19:41] <hggdh> AlexzAK: now, *what* is the right place... I do not know, I am not heavy on Gnome (mostly command-line)
[19:41] <hggdh> AlexzAK: I *think* it might be /usr/share/applications
[19:41] <AlexzAK> hggdh: Right place is /usr/share/applications/ ... I'll try to do it...
[19:41] <AlexzAK> hggdh: yes it is
[19:42] <hggdh> AlexzAK: good! I just learned something...
[19:44] <intrader> hggdh, the script is failing on account of the `dirname $0` command. This does not work in 10.10 RC. Here is the log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/504081/
[19:45] <hggdh> intrader: <sigh/>. No it does work on 10.10 as it worked before. You have a path with a space... You have to quote it
[19:46] <hggdh> hey pedro_ , I was to ask you this for a while, and kept forgetting: do you have admin rights on b.g.o? Olav was giving admin to editbugs/canconfirm to people interested
[19:47] <pedro_> hggdh, yeah i do have admins rights there
[19:47] <pedro_> want me to delete your account ?
[19:47] <pedro_> ;-)
[19:47] <hggdh> pedro_: I thouht so, but decided to confirm :-)
[19:47] <hggdh> pedro_: no, please no
[19:48]  * hggdh kneels and begs
[19:48] <pedro_> it's good to have more people with those though :-)
[19:48] <pedro_> haha
[19:48]  * pedro_ hugs hggdh
[19:48]  * hggdh hugs pedro_ back, happy
[19:49] <intrader> hggdh, I will change the folder - I see the problem. Works as expected - the pharo.sh from the context menu and ./pharo.sh. Thanks for help
[19:49] <hggdh> intrader: you are welcome
[19:51] <hggdh> BTW -- bug-controllers: we have applications waiting for feedback (at least two)
[19:55] <hggdh> pedro_: Jack Leigh applied on Aug 25th, still waiting for another reviewer, care to look at his application?
[19:56] <pedro_> hggdh, yes, i'll have a look
[19:56] <hggdh> pedro_: IOU
[19:56] <hggdh> me hugs pedro_. Again :-)
[19:57] <pedro_> lot of love in this channel ;-)
[19:57]  * pedro_ hugs hggdh
[20:09] <innerand> Hello, does anybody know how to report 'bugs' with mirror-servers?
[20:12] <innerand> the problem is the lagis-mirror(Austria)
[20:12] <innerand> It is set by default for ubuntu users in austria
[20:22] <AlexzAK> hggdh: I have worked version at https://code.launchpad.net/~alexzak/bzr/mascyma, and i've attached patch to bug #652299. Can you check my actions and patch?
[20:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652299 in mascyma (Ubuntu) "Package does not contain .desktop file, so dont displayed in menu (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652299
[20:24] <hggdh> AlexzAK: looks good. Did you rebuild the package with youyr patch?
[20:24] <AlexzAK> hggdh: yes and it works for me
[20:24] <hggdh> great!
[20:24] <hggdh> thank you
[20:24] <AlexzAK> hggdh: But, i think, some one else should check it
[20:25] <hggdh> it will be checked
[20:26] <AlexzAK> hggdh: That was fun enough! Very interesting... Thank you.
[20:26] <hggdh> AlexzAK: heh. Thank you for helping, we appreciate it.
[20:35] <AlexzAK> np
[20:38] <devildante> everyone: do you think I should apply for universe-contributors? Do you think I'm enough experienced?
[20:43] <kklimonda> devildante: you should ask that people you were working with
[20:44] <devildante> kklimonda: right, I'll ask on -desktop
[20:44] <devildante> thanks :)
[21:14] <kamusin> I have trouble while I trying to do an apt-get source package with maverick maybe is a known one.. apt tell me that extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick-xx-x-x-x don't exists
[21:16] <charlie-tca> kamusin: it should exist, but you need to add the gpg key for it
[21:16] <charlie-tca> If you run sudo apt-get update, it should tell you the key is missing
[21:16] <bdmurray> pedro_: I haven't rebooted in quite some time and forgot that logging in via gdm logs me out right away
[21:16] <bdmurray> pedro_: however, stopping gdm and start x works fine
[21:17] <kamusin> I have checked and actually doesn't exists
[21:17] <pedro_> bdmurray, i had a similar one on my laptop a few weeks ago and upgrading to the latest solved that
[21:17] <kamusin> tried to change to a couple of mirrors is the same behaviour
[21:18] <pedro_> bdmurray, the first time when trying to log in logged me out and gdm was restarted then the second time worked, but now it's solved at least here
[21:19] <charlie-tca> kamusin: I don't get that here.
[21:19] <kamusin> charlie-tca, well thanks any way, I think I will run a rsync of my rc image
[21:19] <pedro_> kamusin, do you have any PPA added there?
[21:20] <kamusin> nothing.. is a fresh installation of rc
[21:20] <pedro_> weird
[21:20] <pedro_> hello charlie-tca
[21:20] <charlie-tca> kamusin: oops, I don't even have that in sources. It won't error if it doesn't appear?
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Hello, pedro_
[21:21] <charlie-tca> that is a change in maverick. I ran into it during testing
[21:22] <charlie-tca> All I have on it is bug 650525
[21:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 650525 in ubuntu-extras-keyring (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/Release ; missing key (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650525
[21:22] <kamusin> maybe was that I don't mark the checkbox for upgrade all packages while is installing
[21:24] <bdmurray> pedro_: I'm fully up to date afaict
[21:25] <bdmurray> well at least update-manager says I am but when I ssh in it says something else ;-)
[21:26] <pedro_> lol
[21:26] <pedro_> hi mgunes!
[21:26] <bdmurray> I wonder if that is because motd is behind
[21:26] <pedro_> bdmurray, may you open a bug about it ? make sure to attach the :0.log :0.log.1 from /var/log/gdm and the Xorg log as well
[21:27] <pedro_> maybe the motd is broken ;-)
[21:27] <pedro_> i'm sure it's vish fault again
[21:27] <vish>  :-)
[21:28] <vish> now someone give a stable stock kernel for one release atleast!!! :(
[21:30] <bdmurray> pedro_: there is no gdm package hook?
[21:31]  * pedro_ check
[21:32] <pedro_> bdmurray, nones, I'll file a bug and create one for it ;-)
[21:32] <pedro_> we just need a few logs to be attached to it
[21:35] <kamusin> charlie-tca, I reinstalled ubuntu-extras-keyring and all it's fine again
[21:35] <kamusin> :)
[21:35] <charlie-tca> great
[21:38] <bdmurray> pedro_: I could test it for you! ;-)
[21:43] <AlexzAK> Could you explain me how to found Krusader package for Ubuntu 8.10? It is not listed at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krusader :'(
[21:44] <AlexzAK> I want it to check bug #320140
[21:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 320140 in krusader (Ubuntu) "can't copy between two sftp connections (heat: 5)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320140
[21:45] <charlie-tca> AlexzAK: exists here at that url
[21:46] <charlie-tca> version was 2.0.0-0ubuntu1
[21:47] <charlie-tca> easy way to see it, right-click the package, open in new tab. On top, click overview. Jaunty is 8.10
[21:49] <jibel> charlie-tca, jaunty is 9.04
[21:49] <charlie-tca> youŕe right
[21:49] <charlie-tca> AlexzAK: 8.10 was Intrepid, which is now EOL. the packages no longer exist because it is no longer supported.
[21:50] <AlexzAK> charlie-tca: 8.10 is interpid... But i get the idea... I found list at https://launchpad.net/krusader/+packages
[21:50] <AlexzAK> charlie-tca: But bug #320140 exsists...
[21:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 320140 in krusader (Ubuntu) "can't copy between two sftp connections (heat: 5)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320140
[21:51] <charlie-tca> If the issue can be verified in Lucid or Maverick, it is still valid. Otherwise, it can be closed using the standard response for EOL
[21:51] <AlexzAK> I use kruseder and i think in 10.10 issue exsists... I can check it 2010-10-04
[21:52] <charlie-tca> Then add a comment to say that, and add the tag "maverick" to it
[21:53] <AlexzAK> thanx
[22:00] <vish> pedro_: kermiac was looking for apport hooks to write , why are you being selfish ;p
[22:01] <pedro_> vish, well i can assign the bug to him ;-)
[22:02] <vish> pedro_: cool! he enjoys writing them :)
[22:02] <pedro_> will do it ;-)
[22:02] <pedro_> ok i gotta run, see you guys later!
[23:37] <cjae> a wireless card shouldnt be listed as eth1 right?
[23:37] <kklimonda> it shouldn't
[23:38] <cjae> I cant get the wireless card is my netbook to run right but it is listed as eth1
[23:38] <cjae> the ethernet works fine
[23:39] <cjae> kubuntu 10.10
[23:42] <cjae> it appears that the 64 bit version of kubuntu doesnt do the sensing of netbook or not either
[23:42] <Nafallo> my wireless card is as well. broadcom STA driver.
[23:43] <Nafallo> can't really see why it shouldn't though.
[23:47] <cjae> Nafallo: are you on 10.10?
[23:48] <Nafallo> yeah
[23:48] <Nafallo> i386
[23:51] <cjae> must just be an issue on 64 bit
[23:53] <cjae> user management in kde 4.5.1 only asks for password once during a password change :/
[23:53] <cjae> not cool