[00:15] <nhandler> pleia2: Not that I know of
[00:15] <pleia2> do we think it would be useful (and maintainable)?
[00:17] <nhandler> pleia2: It wouldn't be too hard to make, but I think the general usecase is that people are looking at the devel wiki pages and follow their links to the mentoring program. I don't know many people who are simply looking for all of the mentoring programs available
[00:18] <pleia2> nhandler: well it came up with ubuntu women and beginners team, both have people who aren't involved everywhere trying to seek out mentoring programs and things for people who want to get involved
[00:19] <nhandler> pleia2: I guess it's just the way I think. If I wanted to see if there was a mentoring program in the foo area of the community, I would start at the foo wiki pages, not the mentoring wiki pages.
[00:20] <pleia2> nhandler: yeah, so when someone in UW or BT says "I want to do foo" I either tell them "go to foo wiki page and see if they have mentoring/helping program" (this usually overwhelms the person and makes them give up), or I have to do it for them and I was half considering having a personal list ;)
[00:22] <nhandler> pleia2: Well, like I said, it wouldn't be too hard to make such a page (there aren't that many programs). We can then see if it gets used and how much maintainance it requires
[00:22] <pleia2> sounds good to me, thanks!
[04:58] <dpm> morning al
[04:59] <dpm> all
[04:59] <nhandler> Hey dpm
[05:03] <duanedesign> hello dpm
[05:05]  * nigelb blinks
[05:05] <nigelb> dpm: are you sure your watch is working?
[05:06] <dpm> hey nhandler, hey duanedesign
[05:06] <dpm> hi nigelb :)
[05:07] <dpm> I'm leaving early today, so I'm just shifting work hours to start a bit earlier too :)
[05:07] <nigelb> morning :)
[05:07] <nigelb> nhandler: loco day too?
[05:08] <nhandler> nigelb: I'll add it once we announce it (so review the announcement email ;) )
[05:11] <nigelb> oh, right.
[05:21] <duanedesign> nigel! :)
[05:21] <nigelb> duanedesign: heya!
[05:22] <duanedesign> nigelb: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/cli-companion-makes-it-easier-to-use.html
[05:22] <duanedesign> :D
[05:22] <nigelb> yay!
[05:22] <nigelb> I saw you talking to persia the other day about clicompanion :)
[05:22] <duanedesign> it is nice so many are liking the project
[05:23] <nigelb> duanedesign: heh, your hard work is now being recognized :)
[05:23] <duanedesign> nigelb: yes. persia is sooo helpful
[05:24] <duanedesign> nigelb: i even found a couple videos on YouTube. That was interesting because I got to see how people used/navigated the program
[05:35] <nigelb> yay :)
[06:32] <nigelb> IRC is soo slient today :/
[06:33] <dholbach> good morning
[06:34] <nigelb> oh, well, spoke to soon :)
[06:34] <nigelb> Morning dholbach :)
[06:35] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[06:36] <nigelb> laughter for the day :) http://www.jwiltshire.org.uk/content/2010/09/30/locusts/
[06:49] <dpm> morning dholbach!
[06:49] <dholbach> hola dpm
[06:55] <duanedesign> nigelb: thats funny
[06:55] <nigelb> duanedesign: heh :)
[06:56] <duanedesign> nigelb: i put some funny comments into CLI Companion for km0r3 to find :) Helps break up the monotony
[06:56] <nigelb> duanedesign: haha, easter eggs
[07:02] <duanedesign> hmm. I was thinking about doing an open week session. my original idea waws to do something about the different mentor programs and ways you can find help getting involved in the community
[07:03] <nigelb> +1, that is a /very/ good idea :)
[07:05] <duanedesign> nigelb:  there is a session on 'How to Contribute to Ubuntu'. I might talk to the ilidrissi.amine and make sure we are not going to be overlapping on out topics
[07:13] <jono> anyone here have an android phone?
[07:13] <AlanBell> yup
[07:13] <jono> want to try http://www.severedfifth.com/releases/apps/ ?
[07:13]  * AlanBell turns down volume
[07:14] <jono> haha
[07:14] <nigelb> lol
[07:14]  * nigelb hands AlanBell earplugs
[07:14] <nigelb> AlanBell: good morning :)
[07:14] <AlanBell> morning nigelb
[07:16] <AlanBell> it runs
[07:17] <nigelb> yay
[07:17] <AlanBell> interesting twitter client!
[07:20] <AlanBell> the different options in the menu don't seem to do much, all take me to #severedfifth on twitter
[07:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:23] <nigelb> morning czajkowski :)
[07:24] <dholbach> hiya czajkowski
[07:24] <AlanBell> aloha my future compatriot
[07:24] <czajkowski> giving a alk later in my old uni
[07:25] <czajkowski> only remembered last night I ws giving it today at 9
[07:26] <dholbach> hola ara
[07:26] <ara> morning dholbach, all!
[07:28] <nigelb> hola ara !
[07:28] <ara> morning nigelb
[07:38] <nigelb> duanedesign: http://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_keep_your_goals_to_yourself.html
[07:38] <nigelb> duanedesign: ^^ really good one :)
[08:00] <dholbach> hey kim0
[08:00] <kim0> dholbach: howdy :)
[08:00] <nigelb> morning kim0 :)
[08:00] <kim0> nigelb: morning man
[08:00]  * kim0 waves morning 
[08:01] <jono> hey kim0
[08:01] <kim0> jono: hey .. why aren't you asleep :D
[08:02]  * nigelb hands jono some ambien; GO TO BED!
[08:07] <jono> nigelb, hehe
[08:08] <nigelb> :-)
[08:08] <jono> headed to bed soon
[08:08] <jono> finishing up some things
[08:09] <AlanBell> jono: anything particular you want me to try with the android app?
[08:24] <duanedesign> nigelb: that was a really good link!
[08:31] <jono> AlanBell, just if it works
[08:31] <jono> there should be a tweet that says "Rocking"
[08:31] <jono> does it show a map?
[08:35] <jono> ok I am headed to bed
[08:35] <jono> night, all!
[10:05] <nigelb> lol, omgubuntu removed cjwatson's comments.
[10:13] <dpm> wow, I've just learned about http://www.ylmf.org/en/index.html
[10:14] <dpm> 1.7 million downloads, not bad
[10:14] <nigelb> whoa, isn't that like against patent laws and copyright?
[10:18] <dpm> on the wikipedia page it says no one has complained so far
[10:20] <duanedesign> dpm: i tried to get my parents to use that
[10:21] <duanedesign> dpm: they refuse to use anything but XP because that is what they know how to use.
[10:22] <dpm> duanedesign, ah, so you were trying to be sneaky on them... :)
[10:22] <duanedesign> ;)
[10:24] <nigelb> haha
[11:30]  * popey hugs dpm 
[11:31]  * dpm hugs popey (Deleted Items?) :)
[11:37] <popey> :)
[11:38]  * popey points kazade at dpm 
[11:39] <dpm> hi kazade :)
[11:39]  * kazade thanks dpm for the "Deleted items" bug :D
[11:39] <kazade> hi dpm
[11:40] <dpm> nothing to thank for, the UK translators did the actual work :)
[11:40] <kazade> :)
[12:03] <duanedesign> morning popey
[12:03] <dpm> My only concern is that there might be other places that need translation and that are not supported by language packs, as the now Rubbish Bin is a system folder. But we'll see when the new language packs are out.
[13:09] <dpm> so, goodbye everyone, have a great weekend!
[14:44] <akgraner> woo hoo Day 5 of App Dev Week starts in just a few :-)
[15:32] <dholbach> I'm calling it a day - have a great weekend everyone and see you on monday
[15:32]  * dholbach gets ready for his mom's 60th birthday party
[15:32] <dholbach> … and helps with the preparations
[15:33]  * nigelb hugs dholbach 
[15:33] <nigelb> Have a good weekend :)
[15:34] <dholbach> nigelb, thanks a lot
[15:34]  * dholbach hugs you all
[15:47] <jono> hey all
[15:48] <akgraner> hey jono!
[15:49] <nigelb> morning jono
[15:49] <jono> hey :)
[15:57] <scott-work> ubuntu studio will be representing in open week :)
[15:57] <scott-work> hi jono
[16:05] <jono> hey
[16:05] <jcastro> \o/
[16:13] <jcastro> I see I am fighting a losing battle on -devel
[16:14] <popey> :)
[16:15]  * popey kicks jcastro from irc, its clearly not needed :)
[16:15] <jcastro> I shouldn't have responded, I knew they would ignore the "responses privately" thing
[16:15] <jcastro> popey: if people expect my dad to learn IRC to use his computer then ... really.
[16:16] <jcastro> I must be an idiot for misunderstanding our entire mission for the past 6 years if we think we should install xchat by default
[16:18] <popey> ok, so suppose that's the case, how would we do realtime support?
[16:18] <popey> or would you propose we dont, and just point people to websites like ubuntu forums, stack exchange etc?
[16:18] <jcastro> it's been proven time and time again that IRC for normal people doesn't work
[16:18] <popey> (not trolling, interested)
[16:18] <jcastro> but I don't have the energy to argue. :p
[16:19] <popey> hmm, its funny i had a similar conversation with the DPL at the weekend about identica. I argued that identica was only good for the circlejerk of free software weenies arguing the moral toss about FLOSS, and not actually a "social network"
[16:19] <popey> (compared to twitter)
[16:20] <popey> his argument is that is the case now, but in the past you could argue the same about linux, but now it's come far enough that my mum can use it
[16:20] <popey> ergo, eventually identica (and maybe irc) will eventually be useful for "normals"?
[16:20]  * popey shrugs
[16:20]  * jcastro also shrugs
[16:27] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:27] <jcastro> hola
[16:27] <nigelb> jcastro: I agree.  IRC for normal people doesn't really work.
[16:32] <czajkowski> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2010/1001/1224280063795.html  Opening up windows to the world
[16:32] <jcastro> we have 40 hours in orlando to figure out what to do for 10.10, I won't be wasting a minute of it talking about irc. :)
[16:32] <nigelb> jcastro: but please look at it though
[16:32] <jcastro> I have faith in the desktop team
[16:34] <czajkowski> thats from an session I septn out in MS last week with an Irish journalist and Ms
[16:37] <czajkowski> *spent
[16:58] <vish> jcastro: i sent a mail supporting you..! but awaiting moderation :/
[16:59] <vish>  btw, why is the discussion on -devel?? and not on devel-discuss!
[17:02] <jussi> IRC for certain people works. for others it doesnt. (why do we have 100's af new people on irc everyday?) My dad, new user to ubuntu may/maynot use irc. my mate, who I gave a copy of ubuntu, thinks its great he can get support so easy.
[17:03] <jussi> On the whole, it offers another form of support, which some will use and some will not.
[17:03] <vish> jussi: irc works to get support, but i wish my mail just got approved already :(
[17:03] <jussi> vish: hurry up and wait :D
[17:04] <vish> jussi: why do we need a irc client, in the install, to get the support..? we could do it by webchat like how the LoCo do it
[17:04] <popey> "the loco"?
[17:04] <jussi> webchat? in #ubuntu?
[17:04] <jussi> it suprises me that we have an overflowing #ubuntu, but people still say "irc is not needed, normal people dont use it"
[17:05] <vish> http://loco.ubuntu.com/irc/
[17:05] <popey> i had _no_ idea that existed
[17:05] <vish> just have a link to something like that in support.ubuntu.com/irc
[17:05] <jussi> thats not particularly easy in #u with the webchat control
[17:06] <sense> good afternoon
[17:06] <vish>  well, thats the technical aspect of irc control, but not really an end user issue..
[17:06] <popey> hah
[17:06] <popey> and you get dumped in #ubuntu-proxy-users
[17:07] <popey> and it says "Try again joining #ubuntu," but doesn't say how
[17:07] <popey> also talks about killing my browser
[17:07] <jussi> do you not get a topic with that client?
[17:07] <popey> thats a bit extreme
[17:07] <popey> yes
[17:08] <popey> but its all incomprehensible technobabble
[17:08] <jussi> wait a sec...
[17:08] <jussi> hrm, there is some issue there...
[17:08] <popey> there's a few :)
[17:09] <jussi> that should be a little more elegant, Ill have a look into it
[17:09] <popey> thanks
[17:09] <popey> want me to file bugs?
[17:09] <jussi> yes please
[17:09] <popey> ok
[17:24] <jcastro> vish: nooooooooo! :)
[17:24] <vish> hehe ;p
[18:23] <jcastro> jono: top of this hour would be a perfect call time for me
[18:32] <czajkowski> tis crazy looking at places to rent with no photos, how are you meant to judge a place
[19:13] <jono> jcastro, won't be long
[19:13] <jcastro> no worries
[19:18] <jono> jcastro, lets roll
[19:18] <jono> skype
[19:18] <jcastro> ok
[19:20] <jcastro>  one sec
[19:20] <jcastro> my skype is complaining
[19:20] <jono> np
[19:36] <doctormo> Today is really very boring, is anyone doing anything exciting?
[19:37] <AlanBell> today I have been mostly looking at errors in groundcontrol
[19:38] <AlanBell> invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~alanbell/%2Bbranch/Loco Webchat iframed":No such project:%252BBranch
[19:38] <doctormo> AlanBell: LOL!
[19:39] <doctormo> AlanBell: Which version are you working on? the 1.6.6 stuff from source tarball or the trunk which is really 2.x (I haven't figured out tagging or doing proper series branches yet)
[19:48] <doctormo> Anyone know much about telepathy tests or who to ask about them?
[19:52] <AlanBell> doctormo: just the ground control in maverick
[20:07] <jcastro> JFo: que pasa?
[20:07] <jcastro> I need a quick favor sir if you have time!
[20:18] <jcastro> you know ... it is friday
[20:18] <jcastro> so feast on this: http://thedailywh.at/post/1221870022/danzig-doing-normal-people-stuff-of-the-day
[20:18] <jcastro> jono: ^^^
[20:33] <sense> Off-topic, but I cannot resist: http://www.youtube.com/user/VPROinternational is a great collection of very good quality documentaries from Dutch television, subtitled in English. Great to see things from another point of view, and to see documentaries about subjects you'd hear little about else.
[20:34] <sense> A real goldmine.
[20:36] <Pendulum> sense: well one's on google, so that's semi-relevant :P
[20:36] <sense> Ah!
[20:36] <sense> Yeah, that was on purpose, really!
[20:36] <Pendulum> :)
[20:51] <JFo> jcastro, hey man, sorry for the delay. Suffering from a major headache.
[20:51] <JFo> what can I do for you? :)
[20:51] <jcastro> no worries
[20:52] <jcastro> if you can russle me an answer in -kernel wrt. TRIM for sure, since I am sitting here with the drive ready to go I would appreciate it
[20:52] <jcastro> AND
[20:52] <jcastro> in return I will go flag all the wrong articles on the forums about TRIM
[20:53] <JFo> k
[20:53] <jcastro> (I know you answered it in the past, but I keep reading more and more that it's not just ootb)
[20:53] <jcastro> so like, a hammer-smashing "this is the truth" would help me out.
[21:00] <JFo> will do
[22:32] <czajkowski> JFo: who best to poke about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-173/+bug/646449
[22:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 646449 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "package nvidia-173 173.14.22-0ubuntu11 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:49] <nhandler> The new tshirts look rather nice.
[22:57] <doctormo> nhandler: linky"
[22:57] <doctormo> ?
[22:58] <nhandler> doctormo: http://design.canonical.com/2010/10/11283/
[23:28] <duanedesign> evening all