[00:00] TheMuso: Hm. I updated & rebooted this morning and I still get the new, annoying, “unlock your ssh key that used to be unlocked by your session password” dialog. [00:01] RAOF: I never got that. [00:01] But I did get asked for my passphrase in a window, which was remembered for my session. I would like to get that back. [00:02] Ah. That's what *I've* got. I used to have that key unlocked by my login keyring. [00:02] Ah ok. [00:14] RAOF: Fixed in ubuntu4 which is in the queue [00:14] Laney: Yay! [00:14] if you mean gnome-keyring [00:14] I do. [00:14] I heard that release managers accept cake. :) [00:15] Also, thanks for shepharding gnome-do; I'll cut an actual _release_ this weekend. [00:16] Oh, that will be interesting indeed. Are there many changes since 0.8.3.1? [00:16] I guess not for squeeze. [00:16] No. [00:16] It's a bugfix for one of the 100% CPU bugs, dropping docky + some other miscelaneous changes. [00:18] ack [00:19] * Laney retreats to bed [00:19] \o [00:19] Sleep well :) [00:29] Wow a surprising amount of packages being let in for main post RC. [00:39] yeah, I was surprised myself [00:40] especially by setting ubuntu font as a default [00:40] Oh, that's gone through has it? [00:40] yeah [00:41] Apart from screenshots from the docmentation team, I guess that's actually very low risk. And the new font *does* rock. [00:42] it does and I agree that it wasn't a high risk change but then RC is suposed to be a candidate for final release and no "yet another freeze" [00:42] Yeah. [00:42] and we had what - 60 updates after freeze was over? [00:43] I think I had more - about 80 - but I've got kde installed, too. [00:45] Don't forget universe is still somewhat open. [00:50] good point [00:51] most of the gnome updates were apparantly just translations [00:51] Post RC? [00:52] yeah, seb explained that in -release earlier [00:58] \ah ok [00:58] So, am I missing something or is the monospaced version not available yet? [00:59] Amaranth: no, it's not available [01:00] * RAOF hugs his inconsolata === asac_ is now known as asac === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [07:06] Good morning [07:37] good morning pitti :) [07:38] the full langpack export seems to have finished, so I think we should be good to go [07:41] hey dpm [07:41] cool, thanks! [07:41] * pitti turns the crank [07:43] :) [08:17] good morning [08:31] hey didrocks [08:32] Guten Morgen pitti, how are you? you could rest a little yesterday after some days being ill? [08:32] didrocks: oh, I've been in reasonable shape since Wednesday again [08:33] i. e. clear head and no fever [08:33] but thanks [08:33] already got the first 80 pushups :) [08:33] nice, at least you will be able to enjoy the incoming week-end :) [08:33] oh, still 0 here, I want to finish my emails first! [08:33] well, I did the first 40 before going to bed, since it already was past midnight, and thus October :) [08:34] hehe! :-) [08:51] dpm: hey, around? [08:51] heya didrocks, yeah [08:51] dpm: how are you? [08:52] didrocks, fine, leaving a bit early today, as I'm traveling for the weekend, and you? [08:53] dpm: oh? travelling? nice :) it's sunny here and seems to week-end will get a nice weather as well :) [08:53] dpm: so, I have a question… you know I added the driver detection fallback question finally to mutter instead of unity? [08:53] the "your driver is supported blababla logout blabla" [08:53] yeah, I'm subscribed to the bug [08:54] I'm interested to see if it has ever been translated [08:54] if not, I can maybe add [08:54] "if you are in the live session, you'll have to enter "ubuntu" as a username and a blank password [08:55] as people are lost then :) [08:55] It has probably been translated, but I can't remember what the current message is. I can check, do you know what message it is? [08:56] sure, I second [08:57] didrocks, ah, wait, I can check myself on the merge proposal [08:57] dpm: "You will need to choose the Ubuntu Desktop session once you select your user name." [08:58] I need opinions on GNOME bug #629544 . There is an LP bug equivalent of it, though I can't find it now. Should I backport its patch to Ubuntu? Or its too late? I think it is too late. [08:58] Gnome bug 629544 in General "First item of context menu must be "copy", not "clear"" [Trivial,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629544 [08:58] didrocks, that particular string did not seem to make it to the template. Perhaps it wasn't marked for translation in the end? -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/unity/+pots/unity/ca/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=desktop [08:59] hey guys just a quick note I noticed that in empathy the gmail talk account settings is missing the server info, also on UNE the window grows as you type [08:59] for irc at any rate [08:59] dpm: it seems to have been marked in the patch, maybe the file isn't in the POTFILES.in [08:59] I'll bug it shortly [08:59] didrocks, yeah, I've just seen it [09:00] davmor2: really? file a bug then [09:01] bilalakhtar: I will be but I want to get a quick screencast of it first. [09:02] dpm: the file is in the POTFILES.in [09:02] dpm: what could I miss? === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:03] Sarvatt: Thanks for the pm info I've put it to the test by running pm-powersave false and sure enough my wifi connected :) I just ned to figure out the exact settings to modify now :) [09:04] didrocks, I can only see vala files in po/POTFILES.in, perhaps it's me that's missing something [09:05] dpm: we are talking about mutter, isn't it? :) [09:05] oh [09:05] your link is for unity :) [09:05] ok, looking at mutter now :) [09:06] yeah, mutter is crashing before unity is given a chance for the message :) [09:06] I can see the string for translation there [09:06] not translated [09:06] in french at least :) [09:07] didrocks, it might have contributed that I told translators that the string came from unity... [09:08] so only a few people must have found it [09:08] and others did not complain [09:08] ah well... [09:08] dpm: yeah, I told on the bug report that it's not in mutter [09:08] dpm: do you think we can change it? [09:09] it's a fallback only… [09:09] so if not translated, not so important I guess [09:09] and at least, user will know what to do in the live [09:09] (got some bug report about that) [09:09] I'm checking other languages though, so far it's translated in es, pt_BR,.. [09:12] hum :/ [09:14] didrocks, so I'd say from the translations side, if that change is important, go for it. I've not checked all languages, but it seems that from the most active translation teams only the Spanish and Brazilian translators translated it... I think it should be fine as long as there is notification on the translators list. Do you think you could send an e-mail there saying why the change is needed and that it's not translated in that many languages? Then [09:14] people will still be able to translate it and it will make it into the first SRU language pack after release [09:15] dpm: sure, I'll apoligize in this email a lot then :) [09:15] dpm: can you give me the email, please? [09:15] * dpm hugs didrocks :) [09:15] * didrocks hugs dpm [09:15] didrocks, ubuntu-translators@ [09:15] * didrocks does't like to waste contributor's time :/ [09:15] thanks! [09:16] no worries [09:18] didrocks, actually, in order not to lose the current translations, and if you are adding text to the current string rather than modifying it completely, perhaps you could just make them to be 2 separate messages [09:18] dpm: nice idea, let me try that [09:18] cool [09:21] I need opinions on GNOME bug #629544 . There is an LP bug equivalent of it, though I can't find it now. Should I backport its patch to Ubuntu? Or its too late? I think it is too late. [09:21] Gnome bug 629544 in General "First item of context menu must be "copy", not "clear"" [Trivial,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629544 [09:23] bilalakhtar: yeah, it's clearly late for such changes. that will come with Natty [09:23] didrocks: 'kay, natty all the way then [09:23] thanks bilalakhtar :) [09:24] didrocks: This is my 4th empathy bugfix :) [09:25] and 17th desktop bugfix [09:27] bilalakhtar: heh, congrats! You can ping them directly on IRC, they are quite responsive [09:28] didrocks: cassidy is looking at it [09:28] bilalakhtar: coolio [09:29] oh right, I'll take another look, in it's my TODO list for the day [09:29] cassidy: no need to hurry [09:29] The next release will straight be 2.9X.XX , so we have quite much time :) [09:30] dpm: btw, in unity, does search is localized for you? [09:30] dpm: in dash/places [09:31] didrocks, I tried it yesterday evening, but I think the package hadn't been build yet. Let me try again now [09:31] dpm: same for the dash itself btw :) [09:36] Installing the updates now... [09:37] dpm: this should only fix the places launcher to be translated normally [09:37] didrocks, yeah, but I thought that was your question? Or is there still something else not localized? [09:38] do you mean the word "Search"? [09:38] dpm: right, "Search" [09:39] dpm: and the dash entries as well [09:39] didrocks, I seem to remember it was, but let me re-check.. [09:39] dpm: thanks ;) [09:41] didrocks, the word "Search" is localized in Catalan in a) when you press the top-left Ubuntu button (btw, does that have a name?), b) in both dash places [09:41] dpm: a) it's the dash [09:41] b) the other are the places :) [09:42] ah, now I finally get it [09:42] yeah, the name changed, not easy to track [09:42] dpm: and the icons/category web/office in the dash are localized as well? [09:44] didrocks, yeah, they are all localized. I'm not sure if the translations made it into the last language packs (but they will make it into the final), so that's why you might see it untranslated in French. I might have translated and installed the translations manually to test them [09:44] I meant "you might not see" [09:45] dpm: good, no "last minute warning" then? :-) [09:45] * didrocks hugs dpm [09:45] thanks for confirming ;) [09:45] no worries :) [09:46] * dpm hugs back [09:46] and I can confirm that the places tooltips are now localized, as well as their names in the search boxes \o/ [09:47] great! \o/ [09:53] hey [09:53] hey seb128! [09:54] lut didrocks [09:54] so after one hour of iso testing I like maverick [09:54] ;-) [09:55] :-) [09:55] *phew* [09:57] how have been things there? [09:57] nothing broken or requiring me? [09:58] did we get some flameware for the ui break? [09:58] the ui freeze break rather ;-) [09:59] didrocks, there is one thing that's still localized, but it's a minor thing. Sometimes when opening windows that don't have a menu, a "File" menu is shown in the global menu, containing a single "Close" entry. The "File" part is always in English. Do you know where it comes from? [09:59] dpm: hm, looks like that failed -- someone broke po2xpi apparenlty [09:59] seb128: not that I know of :) [10:00] dpm: no, I pinged the unity guys a while about that, but didn't track [10:00] dpm: I think it comes from indicator-appmenu [10:00] dpm: as it's the same in the desktop session [10:01] no ted until tuesday [10:01] do you want me to try to figure that? [10:01] pitti, bummer :(. Is the export from LP itself fine, though? [10:02] dpm: I didn't test-build the langpacks yet [10:02] seb128: I honestly won't have the time for this, so yeah, it will be great please :) [10:03] didrocks, ok [10:03] didrocks, it seems that indicator-appmenu has no translatable templates. Otherwise, njpatel, do you know where that "File" string comes from ^^? [10:03] seb128: thanks [10:05] dpm: fixed, next round [10:06] pitti, ok, cool [10:10] kenvandine, on a next upload for gwibber can you please replace the patch lp_report_to_ubuntu.patch with the one in bug 641808 currently wrong webpage is opened. [10:10] Launchpad bug 641808 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "'get help online' opens the wrong URL (affects: 2) (heat: 290)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641808 [10:12] didrocks, seb128: could you please integrate http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?id=045d3c82deb7d6288c9026c98dc1b836370864ed into the maverick package? It fixes newly created gtalk accounts [10:12] I'll make a .1 release soonish but it contains more things so that's probably a bit late for you [10:19] (quite busy now, will have a look later on) [10:19] if nobody pick up before :) [10:19] om26er_, ^ [10:19] om26er_, once it's in, could you please retry and let me know if it works fine ? [10:19] cassidy, yes sure [10:20] cool. If it's fine I'll do a .1 release [10:22] dpm, didrocks: [10:22] src/indicator-appmenu.c: stockitem.label = "_File"; [10:22] indicator-appmenu bug [10:22] it's not trivial to fix though [10:22] it's the only string it has and it's not set up for translation [10:23] urgh… [10:23] ie not gettext use [10:23] no po dir [10:23] so, all to setup :/ [10:24] thanks for investingating seb128 [10:24] is libgpod part of a package set by any chance? [10:29] dpm, you're welcome [10:29] didrocks, dpm: I'm wondering if that could be workarounded [10:30] hum not easily [10:30] I was thinking using ngettext [10:30] seb128: we can't pick the translation from another package? just to make the basic of gettext? [10:30] trying to get the string from another domain [10:30] it must be available in some other sources [10:30] :-) [10:30] but it will not work [10:30] why? [10:31] setlocale() fails when there is no mo IIRC [10:31] hum :/ [10:31] in fact it might work with dgettext() [10:31] let me try [10:31] hyperair, what difference does it make? [10:31] seb128: just curious. [10:31] being in package set or not [10:32] i was thinking that since i've taken over maintainership of libgpod in debian, i'd like upload access to libgpod in ubuntu in the future. [10:33] that aside, i'd like to sync libgpod from debian (it's finally been ACCEPTed) into maverick-updates. is that possible? [10:34] seb128: ^^ [10:34] I've no reviewed the diff to see if it manages SRU definition [10:34] but I guess it should be possible [10:34] okay, so i'll just file a sync request and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors and ubuntu-sru? [10:35] no [10:35] you can't get a sync [10:35] you need to fakesync it [10:35] the sync would bypass queues [10:35] i see. [10:36] so i include a debdiff of everything + fakesync? [10:36] yes [10:36] alright. [10:37] and the version of a fakesync is ${debianversion}fakesync1? [10:38] no [10:38] use syncpackage [10:38] it will be like a sync but uploaded by you [10:38] so it will not bypass the queue [10:38] i can't upload it. [10:38] well subscribe sponsors and ask somebody to fakesync it [10:39] or use -debianrevision~sru [10:39] or 0ubuntu1 [10:39] ie just change the changelog to be lower than debian [10:39] so we can sync next cycle [10:44] seb128: why is a fakesync required? [10:44] bdrung, you mean? [10:45] bdrung, because he wants to get the debian version? [10:46] seb128: you were talking about libgpod? [10:46] yes [10:47] seb128: ok, but why do you suggests something like -debianrevision~sru or 0ubuntu1? isn't ${debianversion}fakesync1 the right version? [10:48] bdrung, I've no clue I never did a fakesync sru [10:48] I would take something lower than debian though [10:48] so we can real sync next cycle [10:48] ${debianversion}fakesync1 is > ${debianversion} [10:48] so you can't real sync later on if you do that [10:52] seb128: a fakesync is only done if the source tarballs checksums mismatch and there the version of the fakesync is higher than the debian version [10:52] bdrung, not only [10:52] bdrung, I suggested doing a fakesync because a real sync would bypass the queue [10:53] the sru team usually review things in the queue [10:53] if he just opens a sponsoring bug chances are nobody will review it [10:53] until something is in the queue [10:53] but since real syncs don't go in the queue... [10:53] dpm: can you approve my message to the list, please? [10:53] seb128: you can do a real sync with syncpackage and then it will go through the queue. [10:54] urg? [10:54] bdrung, not sure what you are picking on there [10:54] bdrung, I didn't speak about commands to use [10:55] didrocks, which one? The one on viagra or the one where you are trying to sell a replica watch? [10:55] bdrung, I said to do a fake sync, ie a manual upload [10:55] dpm: choose the one you prefer :-) [10:55] bdrung, in opposite to subscribing ubuntu-archive for a real sync [10:55] didrocks, ok, done ;) [10:55] bdrung, if syncpackage is the command used to do fake syncs do that [10:55] dpm: thanks a lot! (it was the viagra one, right? ;)) [10:56] definitely [10:57] seb128: so we are using fakesync for two different things, right? you mean fakesync = manual sync. i mean fakesync = mismatching source tarballs. [10:58] bdrung, I use fakesync for "take what is in debian, tweak the .changes or .dsc and upload to Ubuntu" [10:58] ie "do manually what archive admin do" [11:03] hey glatzor [11:03] hey mvo! [11:05] mvo, aptdaemon now exposes the apt configuration using dbus properties on the org.debian.apt interface [11:05] e.g. changing the popcon participation works. [11:06] the other properties are read-only currently [11:06] mvo, won't it make sense to replace the apt cron script by an aptdaemon based one? [11:07] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgpod/+bug/652855 [11:07] Launchpad bug 652855 in libgpod (Ubuntu) "Please fakesync libgpod 0.7.95-1 from Debian experimental to maverick-updates (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] [11:07] glatzor: cool [11:07] glatzor: yes, absolutely [11:07] hyperair, thanks [11:08] =) [11:08] glatzor: that should be a natty target, it would be good to still support fallback to apt-get, but by default it should be the daemon [11:08] glatzor: now that we can trigger reload without password we can move more of it into the desktop and out of cron [11:08] glatzor: and do more clever things with network-manager integration [11:08] seb128: I can't find the wiki page to know who is on archive admin duty today, do you have the link handy? [11:09] glatzor: and gnome-power-manager etc. that is going to be exciting! [11:09] right [11:09] I have to leave for work now. so see you next week! [11:10] see you glatzor [11:10] didrocks, there is nobody on duty [11:10] * mvo hugs glatzor [11:10] didrocks, we are in hard freeze the archive is under release team control [11:10] didrocks, otherwise it's jdstrand [11:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration [11:10] seb128: yeah, just found it (14.), thanks :) [11:10] so I'll ping the release team then! === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [11:26] Riddell, hey [11:27] Riddell, http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-13792 [11:27] Riddell, Cimi on #ayatana suggested that would be nice to get in [11:27] mvo, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/635208 [11:27] Launchpad bug 635208 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Unfocused selected item in software list is white on light grey (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Low,In progress] [11:27] mvo, there is a fix to sponsor from Cimi [11:30] seb128: thanks - I will merge into 3.0, but that is probably something for maverick-updates [11:31] (also I have to say it looks obvious and correct) [11:31] mvo, ok, I guess you can still get some small fixes in today but that one isn't important either [11:31] so if there is another 3.0 upload before release I will take it [11:32] seb128: yeah, I just uploaded a rather important fix this morning, I don't want to have too much churn [11:32] ok [11:32] otherwise the release managers will hate me :) [11:32] ;-) [11:33] seb128: ok [11:46] Riddell, http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-14161 as well [11:49] Cimi, hey [11:49] Cimi, Riddell is on charge of kubuntu [11:49] hi [11:49] you might want to ping him directly about qt issues [11:50] Riddell: ping [11:50] seb128: Riddell: I would like to introduce you jbache, nokia developer for qgtkstyle [11:51] hi jbache [11:51] Riddell: my question was basically that I noticed some issues with the new Ambience theme for 10.10. They dont seem to affect any other themes so I'm not sure if we can patch them until Qt 4.7.2 but for Ubuntu they look rather ugly right now [11:52] Riddell: I made two patches to address them if Ubuntu want to patch the issues separately [11:52] jbache: that's the patches on http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-14161 and http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-13792 ? [11:53] Riddell: yes [11:53] Riddell: apart from that the Ambience theme should work well with QGtkStyle [11:53] jbache: I'm happy to package and upload those today [11:53] Riddell: The most pressing one is the selection color on unfocused widgets since they are almost unreadable [11:54] it'll need a gnome sort to test them though [11:54] * Riddell eyes up seb128 [11:54] Riddell, I can test if you tell me what to test [11:54] Riddell: great! [11:55] Riddell: They will probably show up in 4.7.2 [11:55] jbache: today is the last day I can do a qt upload though, so any more changes will have to wait [11:56] Riddell: No problem. It should be easy to verify. But I only tested against vanilla Qt packages here. [11:59] jbache: by the way when is 4.7.1 due to come out? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:05] Riddell: We have branched it and are currently testing it. Probably within a couple of weeks but a precise answer I dont have. [12:06] seb128: let me know if you find any issues today [12:09] jbache, ok [12:09] I'll upload to my PPA, get seb128 to test it then upload to the real archive [12:10] seb128: Test a few Qt apps in GNOME with the Ambience theme and a few others. Look for issues with selected text color/background in widgets. Make sure the tab focus rect looks proper. [12:11] seb128: feel free to try Ambience in KDE using the Gtk engine as well :) [12:11] ok [12:11] I will probably only test under GNOME though, I've qt installed but not a KDE desktop ;-) [12:11] but I think Riddell has a KDE desktop to test on :p [12:12] seb128: GNOME is the primary concern yes :) [12:34] good morning! [12:43] I noticed there are a couple of FTBFS on http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi? that seems to be caused by gdk-pixbuf... e.g. /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.la missing, it used to be in libgtk2.0-dev but it's clearly not in libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev... [12:52] jbache: Ambiance, not Ambience dude :P [12:53] jbache: don't ever make the mistake of asking seb128 to make changes in KDE :D lol, just joking [12:55] seb128: mmm [12:55] seb128: you might kill me [12:55] cyphermox, you might be interested to read http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/LAFileRemoval [12:55] seb128: I think I have an idea how to "fix" indicator-messages [12:55] chrisccoulson, yeah, that's why I'm asking about it ;) [12:56] "asking" [12:56] cyphermox, ah, ok :) [12:56] seb128: but it would require gconf as a dependency :( [12:58] hi Cimi, would you be able to spare a few minutes to address some of the comments on mozilla bug 580970? (in particular, comment 8) [12:58] Mozilla bug 580970 in Theme "Tabs on top with Ubuntu Radiance and Ambiance looks less unified than it could" [Minor,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580970 [13:00] chrisccoulson: would you mind if I'll have a look later? it's 2pm here and my stomach is making more noise than rhythmbox :) [13:00] Cimi, sure, that's ok [13:00] it's not particularly urgent, but it would be nice for somebody who know something about theming to comment :) [13:03] bilalakhtar, lol [13:03] chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? [13:03] Cimi, how so? gconf for what? [13:04] seb128: I don't know why, I'm not a coder of indicator-messages [13:04] but [13:04] const PangoFontDescription * font_description = pango_layout_get_font_description (layout); [13:04] font_size = pango_font_description_get_size (font_description); [13:04] that does not work on the label [13:05] hi seb128 - i'm good thanks, how are you? [13:05] chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks [13:05] so, to know the font size I don't have any other idea if not grabbing the gnome font size trough gconf [13:05] well shouldn't the font setting reflect on gtk softwares? [13:06] pedro_, hey [13:06] seb128: what do you mean? [13:06] hello seb128 [13:06] Cimi, well usually when you change the theme or font all gtk application update automatically when the xsetting is update [13:06] updated [13:06] there should be no need to watch gconf values [13:06] pedro_, how are you? [13:07] pedro_, how does rc look to you? [13:08] seb128: but how could I grab this font setting? [13:08] if not trough pango_font_description_get_size? [13:08] if you have any other API, please tell me :) [13:08] I'm not sure to understand the issue [13:09] if you don't specify any setting for the label gtk should just apply the system xsettings [13:09] ie whatever you define in the capplet [13:09] no? [13:09] seb128, I'm good thanks, what about you? [13:09] I need to know the font size [13:09] seb128, looking good so far [13:09] because I'm drawing the font with cairo [13:09] oh ok [13:09] and I *need* to align it [13:09] njpatel, ^ [13:09] no major annoyances besides the ones we're already tracking [13:10]