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dholbachgood morning06:34
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* marjo waves15:58
* skaet starting to get ready for last maverick release meeting... 15:58
marjoskaet: woohoo!15:59
skaetmarjo: yup...  its getting exciting. :D15:59
ScottK\o15:59
skaethi ScottK15:59
* joshuahoover waves16:00
robbiew\o16:00
skaethi joshuahoover, robbiew :)16:00
seb128hey16:01
skaethi seb128,  I'm seeing most of the others in the channel,  so, time to start...16:01
skaet#startmeeting16:02
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skaetGreat work over the last week, a big thank you to everyone!16:02
skaetAwesome job on pulling the images together Riddell!!  :D16:02
* GrueMaster in for arm as ogra discovered that his arm image doesn't work when used to overwrite his x86 system...16:02
skaetcool, welcome GrueMaster16:03
skaetI'm aware of only one critical bug left (bug #641259) - other than the one that GrueMaster just ref'd and that's being actively worked right now too ;)16:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 641259 in grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick) "grub does not appear to load after maverick post-beta install" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64125916:04
skaetIts really cool to watch this release coming together so well, due to all of your efforts...16:04
marjoskaet: I'll be working with cjwatson to debug on my netbook16:04
marjoon bug 64125916:04
skaetthanks marjo.  :)16:05
skaetAgenda for today can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2010-10-0116:05
skaetjust so people know,  There's been a minor formatting change, just wanted to let you know that the bolded bugs are the ones that made it into the release candidate TechnicalOverview's Issues section16:05
cjwatsonoh good, I was wondering what that meant16:06
skaet:)16:06
skaetrobbiew, wants the focus for this last meeting to be to be mostly on what can be closed off for release, and what will need documentation in the Release Notes.16:07
skaetso,  moving right along...16:08
skaet[TOPIC] Open action items16:08
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skaetall open actions are done.16:08
skaetthanks ogasawara, robbiew, Riddell :)16:09
skaetany I missed from last week?16:09
skaetok,  silence is good here.16:10
skaet[TOPIC] QA team update - marjo16:10
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marjoskaet: may i include the RC test report?16:10
skaetyes please.  :)16:10
marjo= Maverick RC Test Report - 1st October 2010 =16:10
marjo=== Test Coverage ===16:10
marjo * Image Coverage: 100%16:10
marjo * Mandatory Testcase Coverage: 199/203 = 98.03%16:10
marjo * "Run Once" Testcase Coverage: 18/19 = 94.74%16:10
marjo=== Test Failure Analysis ===16:10
marjo * 16 Test Failures16:10
marjo * Failure Rate 16/237 = 6.7516:10
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marjovery good test results! thanks to everyone who helped with the ISO testing16:11
marjowe appreciate it very much; failure rate is down to 6%16:11
cjwatsondo you have a summary of the remaining failures?16:12
marjocjwatson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/MaverickRCTestReport16:13
marjoi think it's better than listing it here16:13
skaetsweet results overall marjo.    many thanks to everyone who's been testing the candidate!16:14
marjo* Hardware Testing16:14
marjoLaptops:16:14
marjo     Passed:   44 (94%)    Failed:    0 ( 0%)    Untested:  3 ( 6%)16:14
marjoServers:16:14
marjo     Passed:   51 (76%)    Failed:   15 (22%)    Untested:  1 ( 2%)16:14
marjoNetbooks:16:14
marjo     Passed:   13 (81%)    Failed:    0 ( 0%)    Untested:  3 (19%)16:14
marjoDesktops:16:14
marjo     Passed:   12 (86%)    Failed:    0 ( 0%)    Untested:  2 (14%)16:14
marjohttp://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html16:15
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marjo* Boot Performance16:15
marjoBoot Performance Week of 2010-09-24 to 2010-09-3016:15
marjo-------------------------------------------------16:15
marjoNumber of system regressions on Ubuntu Desktop: 016:15
marjoNumber of system regressions on Ubuntu Netbook Edition: 216:15
marjo        * Dell Inspiron 530 (Desktop) [1] +10.4916:15
marjo        * Sun Ultra 20 (Desktop)  +12.0616:15
marjo        16:15
marjo[1] -16:15
marjohttp://people.canonical.com/~cr3/netbook/public_html/daily-bootcharts/200708-156.html16:15
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marjohttp://people.canonical.com/~cr3/netbook/public_html/daily-bootcharts/200609-30.html16:15
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marjoNumber of system regressions on Kubuntu: 016:15
marjorobbiew: please note regression for your initial triage16:16
robbiewheh16:16
robbiewnot enough data to be concerned about...but thx for the heads up16:16
marjorobbiew: i'll take that as an "ack"16:16
marjo* Spec Status16:17
marjohttp://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-platform-qa-ubuntu-10.10.html16:17
marjoBeautiful and very productive graph16:17
marjohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-improving-communication16:17
marjoara on track for end-of-release16:17
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marjohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-mago-daily16:17
marjoBeta available and we are getting help from JamesPage on packaging Hudson.16:17
marjoskaet: that's it from QA team16:17
cjwatsonjust FYI, using the "LP:#nnnnnn" form in the RC test report wiki makes it hard to follow links - removing the # would help16:17
marjocjwatson: thx for the feedback; will rework accordingly16:18
skaetthanks marjo,  anyone else have questions?16:18
skaet[TOPIC] Security team update -  jdstrand16:19
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jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick16:19
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jdstrand[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-security.html16:19
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jdstrandThe team has been reviewing security bugs that affect the maverick release, and have been pushing last minute updates in as needed.16:19
jdstrandWe reviewed the AppArmor profiles using jj's patches from the 0-day update kernel. Things look good there.16:19
skaetcool.16:19
jdstrandThe team has and is continuing to perform various audits on the RC images, and so far everything looks good.16:19
jdstrandthese include various RNG tests and files in the default install (eg, suid, world writable, etc)16:20
jdstrandWe have several bugs that have been deferred for SRU (see SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick)16:20
jdstrandIn terms of release targeted bugs, we are looking at bug #600549, which recently moved back to Confirmed from Fix Released.16:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 600549 in m2crypto (Ubuntu Maverick) "m2crypto fails to build from source in maverick" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60054916:21
jdstrandthat's pretty much it16:21
skaetthanks.  does it look like 600549 will get addressed in time?   or something complicated?16:21
jdstrandskaet: it was something simple last time. I only just noticed it this morning16:22
jdstrandskaet: so I'm not totally sure16:22
skaetfair 'nuf.16:22
ScottKI suspect it's a ssl v2 test that fails because we don't support v216:22
* jdstrand was thinking the same16:23
jdstrandbut mdeslaur looked at it before, and I asked him to look at it this time16:23
skaetthanks jdstrand,   any other questions?16:23
skaet[TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara16:23
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ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick16:23
ogasawara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10.html16:23
ogasawara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.svg16:23
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ogasawaraFor the bugs noted in the agenda, status is as follows:16:23
ogasawaraBug 633983 - Per apw's investigation, this is most probabally an incompatibility between the Mac EFI implementation and the CDs; amd64 images now have specific EFI support and this is reported as a problem with Win7 CDs on these machines also. To confirm this we need to remaster the amd64 CD without EFI support. A remastered image has now been made available and testing requested.16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 633983 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "Can't boot Maverick beta amd64 live cd on macbook (EFI)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63398316:24
ogasawaraBug 633392 - Debug info not showing any obvious kernel errors, still investigating.16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 633392 in linux (Ubuntu) "Bridged Guests losing network connectivity" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63339216:24
ogasawaraBug 628029 - Release noted - "Due to current hardware limitations it is not possible to use suspend on the Ubuntu ARM images for pandaboards (OMAP4) even though the suspend option is shown in the logout menu."16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 628029 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) "[maverick] panda omap4 does not suspend" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62802916:24
ogasawaraBug 497546 - diwic is investigating.16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 497546 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu Maverick) "Microphones not working on Dell Vostro 320" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49754616:24
ogasawaraBug 503790 - Have posted a Maverick test kernel, waiting for feedback.16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 503790 in linux (Ubuntu) "Copy to USB thumbdrive doesn't work" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50379016:24
ogasawaraWe are planning for a day 0 kernel upload which primarily consists of security updates, see bug 647071 for more info. We are continuing to queue Maverick SRU patches, including the 2.6.35.5, 2.6.35.6, and 2.6.35.7 upstream stable patch sets.  Also, all of our work items have been closed for the Maverick cycle.16:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 647071 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "0-day Maverick Kernel Upload" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64707116:25
skaetsweet16:25
ogasawaraWe've also done a last minute upload of module-init-tools to temporarily disable 11n functionality for the iwlagn driver until Intel releases updated firmware to resolve bug 630748.  Can we get an archive admin to approve this from the upload queue?16:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 630748 in module-init-tools (Ubuntu Maverick) "iwlagn degrades quickly during normal wifi session" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63074816:25
cjwatsonif it's in the upload queue it'll be looked at16:25
ogasawaraperfect, thanks16:25
ogasawaraAny other questions?16:26
seb128got one16:26
cjwatsonyeah, that should be fine, will approve16:26
seb128asac noticed that alt-printscreen stopped working16:26
seb128it seems it doesn't even trigger a key event in xev16:26
seb128was that a kernel change on how sysreq,printsreen is handled?16:27
seb128we failed to figure what part of the stack could be to blame, asac though it might be a kernel option for sysreq16:27
seb128?16:27
ogasawaraseb128: ah that bug, from a kernel perspective it's expected behavior, ie SysRq handling is enabled by default thus Alt+PrtScrn is interpreted as SysRq16:28
seb128hum16:28
seb128so what do you suggest as a way to fix the "take a screenshot"?16:28
ogasawaraseb128: I posted 3 suggested options to the bug16:28
seb128ok, I need to find the bug16:28
seb128I just discussed on IRC so I was not sure there was a bug open and on what component16:29
seb128I will check for it thanks16:29
ogasawaraseb128: I've got the bug # here somewhere, will ping you with it16:29
seb128ogasawara, thanks16:29
seb128that's it from me ;-)16:29
skaetthanks ogasawara,  nice update - will use your release noted comments.16:29
skaetany other questions?16:29
ogasawaraseb128: bug 64279216:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 642792 in metacity (Ubuntu Maverick) "ALT+PrtSc not recognised" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64279216:29
skaet[TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson16:30
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cjwatson[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#RC%20Milestoned%20bugs16:31
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cjwatsonLots of bugs from the agenda fixed.  One or two more things still in progress.16:31
cjwatsonBug 641259 - grub does not appear to load after maverick post-beta install16:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 641259 in grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick) "grub does not appear to load after maverick post-beta install" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64125916:31
cjwatson * I'll debug this on Wednesday once I get my hands on an affected machine.  Unfortunately there's no practical way to do it earlier.16:31
cjwatsonBug 610898 - Upgrading Wubi systems from 10.04 LTS is known to fail if Wubi was installed to a partition other than the primary Windows partition, and is not recommended at this time.16:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 610898 in lupin (Ubuntu) "grub-pc upgrade renders computer unbootable when Wubi is installed to partition other than Windows" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61089816:31
cjwatson * This is probably release notes fodder as I suspect that we would have needed information to be saved at initial install time in order to know where C: is with any reliability; but advice from Windows experts welcome.16:31
cjwatsonBug 642344 - libspring-2.5-java needs an initial manual build16:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 642344 in libspring-2.5-java (Ubuntu Maverick) "libspring-2.5-java needs an initial manual build" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64234416:31
cjwatson * In progress with IS.16:31
cjwatsonBug 594162 - segmentation fault while downloading preseed file16:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 594162 in busybox (Ubuntu Maverick) "segmentation fault while downloading preseed file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59416216:31
cjwatson * This may still turn out to be intractable, but we have a possible patch in a PPA for testing now.16:31
cjwatsonBug 633983 - Can't boot Maverick beta amd64 live cd on macbook (EFI)16:31
cjwatsonBug 652522 - modules missing from omap netboot image16:31
cjwatson * Straightforward non-intrusive fix.16:31
cjwatsonOther than that we're looking at build failure bugs and upgrade bugs as time permits.16:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 633983 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "Can't boot Maverick beta amd64 live cd on macbook (EFI)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63398316:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 652522 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "modules missing from omap netboot image." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65252216:31
cjwatson * I think this will need to be release-noted as an unresolvable conflict between support for UEFI systems coming down the pipe and support for the Mac EFI implementation.  The i386 CD is still BIOS-only and we'll try to keep it that way.16:31
cjwatson--16:32
skaetrelease note fodder,  noted.  ;)   thanks.16:33
cjwatsonmarjo: (note my comment above about 594162, in case your folks don't notice the update on the bug)16:33
marjocjwatson: thx16:34
skaetany questions?16:34
skaet... or am I rushing things?16:34
GrueMastercjwatson: Do we need to have netboot images for omap4 as well?16:34
GrueMasterIf so, I'll add that to D-I16:35
cjwatsonGrueMaster: if we do then it's too late16:35
GrueMasterok.16:35
GrueMasterPick it up in N16:35
cjwatsonGrueMaster: they'd need to have had at least some testing well before this, I'd have thought16:35
cjwatsonI mean, we don't have *any* d-i images for omap416:36
GrueMasterI was only told about omap yesterday.16:36
cjwatsonright, we've been building other d-i omap images for some time though16:36
GrueMasterI'll bring it up with ogra offline.16:36
cjwatsonso it's a matter of fixing existing images rather than adding new ones16:36
cjwatsonif it is declared necessary by People In Charge then please let me and skaet know ASAP ...16:37
GrueMasterwill do.16:37
skaetanything else cjwatson,  before moving on?16:38
cjwatsonnot from me16:38
skaetcool.   thanks cjwatson16:38
skaet[TOPIC] Server team update - ttx16:39
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DavieyHi o/16:39
Daviey(/me is standing in for ttx)16:39
DavieyWe seem to be in a really good position at the moment.  Perhaps the calm before the storm from any issues the RC produces.16:39
skaethi Daviey16:39
Davieyhi skaet16:39
DavieyI won't repeat the full report (unless anyone wants me to),16:39
Daviey[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus16:39
Daviey- status marked in-line.16:39
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DavieyWe don't have any High, Critical or Release Milestoned bugs that currently need our attention.16:39
DavieyThe RC is lacking a fix for Bug #650893 , but this is an apt-get upgrade and should be on the Final.  In all, we seem to be in a really good shape as it stands.16:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 650893 in cups (Ubuntu Maverick) "[maverick] cups does not start at boot time" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65089316:40
Daviey(/me is pleased)16:40
ScottKDaviey: Bug #651138 is listed under MOTU, but it's in Main and a server package.  FYI.16:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 651138 in likewise-open (Ubuntu Maverick) "likewise-open fails to build from source in maverick" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65113816:40
DavieyI am a little concerned with 641259:grub does not load upon reboot after installing. There is no message indicating that grub is loading, nor does holding shift have any effect - ( Unsure of direction, assigned to cjwatson)16:40
Davieybug #64125916:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 641259 in grub2 (Ubuntu Maverick) "grub does not appear to load after maverick post-beta install" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64125916:41
DavieyScottK: Ok, one moment...16:41
cjwatsonI mentioned that in my report above16:41
cjwatsonof course I can only hope that the issue on Marjo's netbook is the same thing16:41
cjwatson16:31 <cjwatson>  * I'll debug this on Wednesday once I get my hands on an affected machine.  Unfortunately there's no practical way to do it earlier.16:41
DavieyScottK: Ok, thanks - i'll add that to our watch list.16:42
DavieyScottK: nobody is currently looking at that one afaik.. but i will make sue it's on someones radar.16:42
Davieycjwatson: Ah yes, sorry - did read that.16:42
skaetthanks Daviey , ScottK.   will note it as well.16:42
skaetany other questions?16:43
Davieynot from me o/16:44
skaet[TOPIC] Desktop team update - seb12816:44
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seb128hey16:44
seb128[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus16:44
seb128[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html16:44
seb128- GNOME 2.32 got uploaded16:44
seb128- Lot of bug fixing in the desktop and unity16:44
seb128- RC testing was mostly fine, not real blocker issues spotted16:44
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seb128 16:44
seb128bugs:16:44
seb128 * bug #650898: launchpad says it doesn't exist, wrong bug number?16:44
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: 650898 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/650898)16:44
seb128 * bug #646995: require archive admin processing16:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 646995 in stage (Ubuntu Maverick) "build-depends on NBS libplayercore2-dev/libplayerc2-dev; not fixed in Debian, removed from Debian testing" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64699516:44
seb128 * bug #646824: somebody from the community is working on it16:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 646824 in xvidcap (Ubuntu Maverick) "xvidcap fails to build from source" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64682416:44
seb128 * bug #639835: has been fixed today16:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 639835 in desktopcouch "Views fail to reconnect after server restart" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63983516:45
seb128 * bug #610600: will not be fixed for maverick, also listed in the "need documentation in the release notes" category16:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 610600 in Cheese "Serious video performance regression in cheese (2.28.1->2.30.1)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61060016:45
seb128 * bug #575160: has a candidate fix which is being reviewed16:45
seb128 * bug #640432: is being investigated16:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 575160 in seamonkey (Ubuntu Maverick) "seamonkey 2.0 crashes with 'RenderBadPicture' diagnostics" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57516016:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 640432 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu Maverick) "X does not start (nouveau)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64043216:45
skaetwill look into what snafu'd on 650898.16:45
skaetseb128,  I'll follow up on it, after the meeting with you.16:46
seb128skaet, ok16:47
skaetthanks seb12816:47
skaetany questions?16:47
ScottKseb128: xvidcap should just need a merge from Debian Multimedia16:48
ScottK(646824)16:48
seb128ScottK, ok thanks16:48
ScottKYou're welcome.16:49
* skaet looks around... figures its time to move on.16:49
skaet[TOPIC] Ubuntu one update - joshuahoover16:49
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joshuahoover[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/MaverickReleaseStatus16:49
joshuahooverhi! the list of high/critical u1 bugs are found on that release status page i posted16:49
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joshuahooverwe really only have one bug left that we'd like to get in for final (today) if possible...16:50
joshuahooverbug #647483 - there's some u1-client help text that isn't translatable...nessita chatted with seb128 about the problem (not the specific bug at that time) & it sounded like this would be ok to get in16:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 647483 in Ubuntu One Client stable-1-4 "Ubuntu One help text contains non-translatable text" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64748316:50
joshuahooverif it's not possible, then we'll have to do an sru...i just need to confirm that it's ok to get this in today or not :)16:50
skaetrobbiew, cjwatson: ^^^16:51
joshuahooverthanks skaet, forgot to poke them there :)16:51
skaetheh16:51
cjwatsonthat can still go in but you need to let ubuntu-translators know and you won't get actual translations for release16:52
cjwatson(post-release language packs might include them though)16:52
robbiewright...that was my thought (re translations)16:52
joshuahoovercjwatson, robbiew: ok, i'll let ubuntu-translators know16:52
joshuahooverthat's all i have for ubuntu one...questions?16:52
ScottKI don't see an advantage to doing it now over an SRU then.16:52
robbiewgood point16:52
cjwatsonthere is that, yes16:52
joshuahooverah, ok...that's true16:53
robbiewless changes in the RC the better :D16:53
skaetjoshuahoover, so for the bugs listed in the agenda,  will all need release notes?16:53
joshuahooverwe'll do an sru for that16:54
joshuahooverskaet: on 617656, yes, for sure16:54
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joshuahooverskaet: on 603590, we can note that one16:55
joshuahooverskaet: 422178 is released in maverick, we're going to do an sru for lucid and karmic16:55
joshuahooverskaet: i think that is it16:56
skaetcool.   thanks.   will work with you offline then for the wordings?16:56
skaetany other questions?16:57
joshuahooverskaet: sure, sounds good :)16:57
skaetthanks joshuahoover16:57
skaet[TOPIC] Kubuntu team update - Riddell16:57
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Riddellooh, me16:57
skaetyup.  :)16:57
Riddell * Kubuntu 10.10 RC out, went pleasingly smooth16:57
Riddell * http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3  back up to 15 tagged bugs, none critical, none release blockers16:57
Riddell * Ubuntu font is now default in Kubuntu, slight deviation from the release schedule there but nobody will notice :)16:57
Riddell * upload of Qt expected today (to fix GTK bugs), no other major uploads expected16:57
Riddell * KDM still crashing on logout for some, but workaround in a proposed release note, bug 65129416:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65129416:58
Riddell * I'd also like to see bug 634664 fixed16:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 634664 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Updates not installed when selected and internet is available" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63466416:58
cjwatsonev appeared to think that was by design16:58
cjwatsoni.e. it's only supposed to download them16:58
cjwatson(and yes, maybe the text could be clearer, but we're string-frozen now)16:58
Riddellcjwatson: it doesn't download them.  but I've another bug to investigate about ubiquity not getting removed on OEM installs before I hassle him more16:58
cjwatsonif it doesn't even download them, that hasn't been made clear in the bug16:59
evRiddell: you're certain that updates are available and there aren't any files in /var/cache/apt/archives post-install?16:59
Riddellev: there are files from the restricted install in /var/cache/apt/archives17:00
Riddellbut nothing else17:00
inetproRiddell: thanks to the kubuntu team, I tested the rc in a vm yesterday and it was a great experience!17:00
Riddellyay17:01
evrestricted install?17:01
Riddellthe kubuntu team are very rocking17:01
Riddellev: kubuntu-restricted-addons17:01
evsorry, I mean /target/var/cache/apt/archives17:01
evassuming you haven't rebooted into the final system17:01
Riddell/var/cache/apt/archives after a reboot17:01
skaetthanks Riddell and Kubuntu team.  :)17:03
evhm, at the very least we should be pushing the apt-get stdout to /var/log/installer/debug17:03
evRiddell: I'll look into it on Monday17:03
skaetany other questions?17:04
skaet[TOPIC] Desktop Experience - davidbarth17:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop Experience - davidbarth17:05
* skaet looks around for davidbarth, anyone know?17:05
robbiewhmm...might have a conflict17:06
skaetok,  guess better move on for now then...   see if he catches up with us later.17:06
davidbarthyep17:06
davidbarthhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus17:07
davidbarthis the the status report17:07
davidbarthsorry, just on a call at the same time17:07
seb128davidbarth, the font change went in yesterday17:07
davidbarththere is not much to mention at this point17:07
seb128bug #64961617:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 649616 in ubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu Maverick) "FFE: Use font='Ubuntu' as default UI font in default themes" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64961617:07
davidbarththe last hiccup having been the shotwell issue with the messaging menu, and we've decided to blacklist it at this point, while we review a better fix for that problem17:08
davidbarththe font change was the other bug on the radar, and as seb128 mentions, it's in now17:08
davidbarthany questions?17:09
skaetthanks davidbarth.  :)17:09
inetprodavidbarth: the font looks awesome17:09
davidbarththanks, i'll pass on the kudos17:10
skaet... moving along now...17:11
skaet[TOPIC] MOTU team update - ScottK17:11
MootBotNew Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK17:11
ScottKHello17:11
skaethello17:11
ScottKThe only bug left on your list is the wx one.17:11
ScottKI don't think it's really RC anymore.17:12
ScottKAnyone that wants to be TIL wxwidgets is welcome to fix it.17:12
skaetokie.17:12
skaetanything that should be on the list that isn't?17:12
ScottKMaking good progress on NBS and FTBFS .17:12
pittiwe still have a couple of NBS, too17:12
pittimany wf which are powerpc specific17:13
ScottKStill some to do.17:13
pittishoudl we just ditch those and say "shrug"?17:13
ScottKAt some point.17:13
pitti(a lot of packages FTBFS on powerpc)17:13
pittii. e. it's not just a simple rebuild, these were already done17:13
ScottKMore FTBFS on armel, but most of them have never built on armel, so don't affect NBS.17:13
ScottKhttp://skitterman.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/build-failures-as-a-proxy-for-archive-quality/ BTW17:14
MootBotLINK received:  http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/build-failures-as-a-proxy-for-archive-quality/ BTW17:14
ScottKskaet: I'm not aware of anything RC that's not on the list and should be.17:14
skaetcool.   :D17:14
* ScottK is a bit distracted today trying to adjust to the font.17:15
* ogra_ac wishes he had only font issues :P17:15
ScottKThat's all I have.17:15
skaetScottK, which day did we decide on as final freeze for MOTU for those not on the images?17:16
cjwatsonsome of the NBS are false positives - omap4 stuff showing up there is a bug17:16
pittiit's still building17:16
ScottKskaet: I need to look it up.17:16
cjwatsonit's finished building now actually17:16
cjwatsonit's still a bug that it shows up there while building though17:16
skaetScottK,  thanks.17:17
cjwatsonanyway, should go away in 20 minutes or so17:17
ScottKskaet: Noon UTC on October 6.17:17
pitticjwatson: NBS running hourly now?17:17
cjwatsonyep17:17
cjwatsonI optimised it, it takes a minute to generate now17:17
cjwatson(archive-cruft-check.py runtime plus <10 seconds)17:18
ScottK:-)17:19
pittimy final question, do we already have staffing for Sunday's release actions?17:19
skaetScottK, nice blog post,  will ask some questions offline.  :)17:19
ScottKSure thing.17:19
pittiI guess it should pretty much be "run sync-mirrors", "send out email", and "update web page"17:20
pitti?17:20
cjwatsonslightly different question, who's definitively not available on Sunday?17:20
* cjwatson raises hand17:20
pittiif necessary, I can be available17:20
RiddellI'm about17:20
Riddellbut I'd like to check that all the people who need to sign off on images will do so17:20
pittiI just don't have enough powers to publish the announcement on the website17:20
cjwatson(raising hand as unavailable, FAOD)17:20
pittii. e. we need newz2000 or someone with similar powers17:20
skaetnewz2000 is going to be available.17:20
robbiewyeah17:20
cjwatsonsignoff ought to happen the day before, imo17:20
pittiso, skip the "if necessary", I'll hang out17:21
pitticjwatson: +117:21
skaetthanks pitti17:21
Riddelland that there is someone assigned to makeing the release notes and techinical overview17:21
* ogra_ac likes to note that the arm team still looks for an available archiv admin to review opengles-sgx-omap3, powervr-omap3 and devmem2 in NEW17:21
pittiI think on Friday or at most Sat we should have the images ready and pre-published17:21
cjwatsonelmo asked us to defer prepublication to Sat17:21
pittiack17:21
robbiewI would like ISOs all tested by Friday...then we move them out Saturday (late to avoid OMG crap)...and then announce Sunday17:21
cjwatsonsince otherwise the quasi-hidden URLs leak too early17:21
pittiso when we wait for newz2000, we won't release at 10:10 UTC, I figure :)17:21
ScottKCan't cron do the release?17:22
robbiewpitti: he actually said he would wake up early for it :P17:22
ogra_acScottK, lol17:22
pittirobbiew: nice17:22
skaetI'll be working with robbiew to get release notes done through the next week, and looking for input during the work week. :)17:22
pittirobbiew: should be 30 mins or so for him17:22
robbiewScottK: nah...wouldn't have my signature cut-and-paste typos ;)17:22
Riddellam I right in thinking that the names on the right are the people who need to say the image is good for release? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest17:22
robbiewdude...the kubuntu theme doesn't work for me17:23
robbiewRiddell: and yes17:23
Riddelland will they all be around?  because several weren't for the RC17:23
pittiRiddell: do you know how to send a mail to ubuntu-announce@? I don't (any more)17:23
robbiewI do :)17:23
Riddellpitti: I have memories of it needing a special header17:23
robbiewand I will be around17:23
pittirobbiew: okay; I guess the text will be ready Fri, we just need to send/moderate on Sun17:24
robbiewI have moderate access to ubuntu-announce17:24
robbiewand can send17:24
robbiew;)17:24
pittiok, cool17:24
pittiso, seems Sunday is mostly mechanical "press the button" stuff then17:24
robbiewI'll be stuck in London...so have no problems working the weekend ;)17:24
robbiewack17:24
Riddellso who's writing the announcement and release notes?17:24
pittiok, I'll still be around, just in case17:24
robbiewRiddell: me17:25
robbiewwith skaet's help17:25
ScottKRiddell: Careful you don't volunteer.17:25
robbiewheh17:25
pittirelease notes will mostly be from the RC one, I guess, plus adaptions from this week's updates?17:25
GrueMasterAre we skipping over Arm status, or coming back to it?17:25
ScottKskaet: On a different topic, for UDS, would you please schedule a session (propose a blueprint) for a Ubuntu Release Team BOF)?17:25
robbiewpitti: ack17:25
Riddelland who's going to be building and tracking ISOs?17:25
skaetyup... waiting to get to ARM.17:25
GrueMasterok17:25
cjwatsonI guess we should do the building/tracking from London17:25
robbiewyeah17:25
skaetScottK,  ack17:26
ScottKThanks.17:26
pittiskaet: will you be in London, too?17:26
skaetyup17:26
skaetgetting to see it all first hand.  :)17:26
robbiewit's all good...don't panic ;)17:26
cjwatsonskaet and I at least will be there and have image-build access17:26
pittiskaet: enjoy!17:26
skaetpitti,  thanks.17:26
pitticjwatson, skaet: btw, during my alpha RM I wrote a script to generate publish-release.py commands from the ISO tracker17:27
pittiit needs some adaptions for the slightly different options for final, but it might serve as a good base17:27
cjwatsonI was just telling Riddell about that the other day for RC17:27
cjwatsonI used it for beta17:27
pittiit finds the right time stamps, has the quirks for the spethial directories for server, etc.17:27
Riddellactually I have a copy of all the ones I used for RC17:27
cjwatson(and extended it, so it should mostly be workable for final now)17:27
pittigreat17:27
marjorobbiew: +1 on the "don't panic"17:27
cjwatsonRiddell: can you mail me them and I'll reconcile?17:28
Riddellok17:28
cjwatsonta17:28
skaetpitti,  cool.  looking forward to cjwatson showing me it.17:28
skaettime to move on to ARM now I think....17:28
pittiso in natty we'll have a mostly automatic publishing script then, nice17:28
skaet[TOPIC] ARM team update - GrueMaster17:29
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM team update - GrueMaster17:29
GrueMasterBear with me as I am new to the Release meetings.  If I screw up, slap ogra for nuking his x86 with an arm image.  :P17:29
GrueMaster[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick17:29
GrueMaster[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html17:29
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick17:29
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html17:29
GrueMasterWork is actively being done on 3 audio bugs (bug 651302, bug 651281, bug 628217) on separate platforms.  Generally the same issue on all three.17:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 651302 in linux (Ubuntu) "No sound in omap (beagle, beagleXM)." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65130217:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 651281 in linux-mvl-dove (Ubuntu) "Need alsa configuration files for Dove A0 SOC platform" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65128117:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 628217 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) "No audio output from analog ports on panda (omap4)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62821717:29
GrueMasterThe big critical one is Bug 646421, as in order to fix it, we either need a fix prior to release or it won't be fixed in maverick.  Can't SRU without respinning images as our images are preinstalled.17:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 646421 in user-setup (Ubuntu Maverick) "oem-config process that zero's swap broken on armel preinstalled images" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64642117:29
GrueMasterOther than that, the images are looking very good.17:30
GrueMasterMost of the team will be onsite at TI next week to bring up final on their release candidate platform.17:30
ogra_acand there are opengles-sgx-omap3, powervr-omap3 and devmem2 in NEW that we would like to have reviewed :)17:31
* ogra_ac is partially here17:31
ogra_acalso the general note ... omap4 kernels might come in late in the game17:31
ogra_acas well as bootloader changes17:31
cjwatson646421> your team is responsible for that, right?17:32
ogra_aci had planned to work on that today17:32
cjwatsonright, just wanted to make sure it hadn't fallen between the arm/foundations cracks17:32
ogra_acthe fix will me max 5 lines or so i think, i just need to get a usable system again17:32
ogra_acand someone to approve17:33
ogra_acwriting it is less work than testing it i gues17:33
ogra_acs17:33
cjwatsonyes, I'd expect it to be small code17:33
ogra_acoh, and sine it wasnt mentioned ... omap4 images will very likely be delayed17:34
ogra_ac*since17:34
ogra_acdue to the above17:34
skaet thanks GrueMaster, ogra_ac.17:35
ogra_ac(as usually, my general note)17:35
cjwatsonogra_ac: can you confirm that we don't need d-i images on omap4?17:35
cjwatson("nice-to-have" excluded)17:35
ogra_accjwatson, yes17:35
cjwatsongood, thanks17:35
ogra_acand not even nice to have17:35
ogra_acwe dont have partman setup17:35
cjwatsonright17:35
ogra_acor bootloader install17:35
cjwatsonyeah, hence my concern about late-arrival images.  thanks.17:35
skaet good luck wishes to the team onsite at TI.17:36
ogra_aconly preinstalled :)17:36
skaetany other questions?17:36
ogra_ac(this is a really lovely format for development btw ... you can test changes immediately)17:36
skaet[TOPIC] Linaro team update - JamieBennett17:37
MootBotNew Topic:  Linaro team update - JamieBennett17:37
* skaet looks around... guess its getting a bit late17:38
skaetmoving on...17:38
skaet[TOPIC] Open floor, new issues, etc.17:38
MootBotNew Topic:  Open floor, new issues, etc.17:38
skaetI think we've covered the key release logistics a bit earlier.17:39
Riddellwho's going to London?17:39
skaetanyone else have any comments, concerns, etc. ?17:39
Riddellrickspencer3, jiboumans and davidm were the missing sign-off people from the RC, will they be there?17:40
skaetRiddell,  there's a wiki page.   I'll post a link17:40
skaetjib won't be,  but the others will.17:40
robbiewall but jib...but we'll have ttx and Daviey17:40
rickspencer3I'll be there17:41
robbiewhell...and I'll sign-off if need be ;)17:41
* robbiew just assumes the power...if that's what's needed to get the ISO out :D17:41
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Riddellgood to know we take our QA seriously17:42
marjoRiddell: but we do17:43
skaetmarjo will be there too.  :)17:43
skaetok,  if nothing else,  then its probably time to end this.17:44
skaetthanks everyone.17:44
skaet#endmeeting17:44
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:44.17:44
marjoskaet: thx!17:44
robbiewbtw...no meeting next week ;)17:44
DavieyRiddell: ttx asked about the RC status if we were happy with it.  I told him the outstanding stuff, and he seemed happy to sign it off.  This was in #u-release .17:44
RiddellDaviey: I know, I had to text him to get him to do that.  and he's not the person listed as the one who should do it anyway17:45
robbiewRiddell: right...but he's the tech lead, and if jib is unavailable, I think common sense dictates the he's the best alternate ;).17:46
Davieyok, noted.17:46
skaetthanks marjo, robbiew, Daviey, GrueMaster, cjwatson, ScottK, davidbarth, joshuahoover, seb128, ogasawara, jdstrand,  Riddell.17:47
skaetgood meeting.17:47
seb128skaet, thanks17:47
joshuahooverthank you skaet17:47
pittihave a nice weekend everyoen17:48
Davieythanks o/17:48
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