[06:34] <dholbach> good morning
[15:58]  * marjo waves
[15:58]  * skaet starting to get ready for last maverick release meeting... 
[15:59] <marjo> skaet: woohoo!
[15:59] <skaet> marjo: yup...  its getting exciting. :D
[15:59] <ScottK> \o
[15:59] <skaet> hi ScottK
[16:00]  * joshuahoover waves
[16:00] <robbiew> \o
[16:00] <skaet> hi joshuahoover, robbiew :)
[16:01] <seb128> hey
[16:01] <skaet> hi seb128,  I'm seeing most of the others in the channel,  so, time to start...
[16:02] <skaet> #startmeeting
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[16:02] <skaet> Great work over the last week, a big thank you to everyone!
[16:02] <skaet> Awesome job on pulling the images together Riddell!!  :D
[16:02]  * GrueMaster in for arm as ogra discovered that his arm image doesn't work when used to overwrite his x86 system...
[16:03] <skaet> cool, welcome GrueMaster
[16:04] <skaet> I'm aware of only one critical bug left (bug #641259) - other than the one that GrueMaster just ref'd and that's being actively worked right now too ;)
[16:04] <skaet> Its really cool to watch this release coming together so well, due to all of your efforts...
[16:04] <marjo> skaet: I'll be working with cjwatson to debug on my netbook
[16:04] <marjo> on bug 641259
[16:05] <skaet> thanks marjo.  :)
[16:05] <skaet> Agenda for today can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2010-10-01
[16:05] <skaet> just so people know,  There's been a minor formatting change, just wanted to let you know that the bolded bugs are the ones that made it into the release candidate TechnicalOverview's Issues section
[16:06] <cjwatson> oh good, I was wondering what that meant
[16:06] <skaet> :)
[16:07] <skaet> robbiew, wants the focus for this last meeting to be to be mostly on what can be closed off for release, and what will need documentation in the Release Notes.
[16:08] <skaet> so,  moving right along...
[16:08] <skaet> [TOPIC] Open action items
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open action items
[16:08] <skaet> all open actions are done.
[16:09] <skaet> thanks ogasawara, robbiew, Riddell :)
[16:09] <skaet> any I missed from last week?
[16:10] <skaet> ok,  silence is good here.
[16:10] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update - marjo
[16:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update - marjo
[16:10] <marjo> skaet: may i include the RC test report?
[16:10] <skaet> yes please.  :)
[16:10] <marjo> = Maverick RC Test Report - 1st October 2010 =
[16:10] <marjo> [16:10] <marjo>  * Image Coverage: 100%
[16:10] <marjo>  * Mandatory Testcase Coverage: 199/203 = 98.03%
[16:10] <marjo>  * "Run Once" Testcase Coverage: 18/19 = 94.74%
[16:10] <marjo> [16:10] <marjo>  * 16 Test Failures
[16:10] <marjo>  * Failure Rate 16/237 = 6.75
[16:11] <marjo> very good test results! thanks to everyone who helped with the ISO testing
[16:11] <marjo> we appreciate it very much; failure rate is down to 6%
[16:12] <cjwatson> do you have a summary of the remaining failures?
[16:13] <marjo> cjwatson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/MaverickRCTestReport
[16:13] <marjo> i think it's better than listing it here
[16:14] <skaet> sweet results overall marjo.    many thanks to everyone who's been testing the candidate!
[16:14] <marjo> * Hardware Testing
[16:14] <marjo> Laptops:
[16:14] <marjo>      Passed:   44 (94%)    Failed:    0 ( 0%)    Untested:  3 ( 6%)
[16:14] <marjo> Servers:
[16:14] <marjo>      Passed:   51 (76%)    Failed:   15 (22%)    Untested:  1 ( 2%)
[16:14] <marjo> Netbooks:
[16:14] <marjo>      Passed:   13 (81%)    Failed:    0 ( 0%)    Untested:  3 (19%)
[16:14] <marjo> Desktops:
[16:14] <marjo>      Passed:   12 (86%)    Failed:    0 ( 0%)    Untested:  2 (14%)
[16:15] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:15] <marjo> * Boot Performance
[16:15] <marjo> Boot Performance Week of 2010-09-24 to 2010-09-30
[16:15] <marjo> -------------------------------------------------
[16:15] <marjo> Number of system regressions on Ubuntu Desktop: 0
[16:15] <marjo> Number of system regressions on Ubuntu Netbook Edition: 2
[16:15] <marjo>         * Dell Inspiron 530 (Desktop) [1] +10.49
[16:15] <marjo>         * Sun Ultra 20 (Desktop)  +12.06
[16:15] <marjo>         
[16:15] <marjo> [1] -
[16:15] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~cr3/netbook/public_html/daily-bootcharts/200708-156.html
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~cr3/netbook/public_html/daily-bootcharts/200708-156.html
[16:15] <marjo> [2] -
[16:15] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~cr3/netbook/public_html/daily-bootcharts/200609-30.html
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~cr3/netbook/public_html/daily-bootcharts/200609-30.html
[16:15] <marjo> Number of system regressions on Kubuntu: 0
[16:16] <marjo> robbiew: please note regression for your initial triage
[16:16] <robbiew> heh
[16:16] <robbiew> not enough data to be concerned about...but thx for the heads up
[16:16] <marjo> robbiew: i'll take that as an "ack"
[16:17] <marjo> * Spec Status
[16:17] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-platform-qa-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:17] <marjo> Beautiful and very productive graph
[16:17] <marjo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-improving-communication
[16:17] <marjo> ara on track for end-of-release
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-platform-qa-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:17] <marjo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-mago-daily
[16:17] <marjo> Beta available and we are getting help from JamesPage on packaging Hudson.
[16:17] <marjo> skaet: that's it from QA team
[16:17] <cjwatson> just FYI, using the "LP:#nnnnnn" form in the RC test report wiki makes it hard to follow links - removing the # would help
[16:18] <marjo> cjwatson: thx for the feedback; will rework accordingly
[16:18] <skaet> thanks marjo,  anyone else have questions?
[16:19] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update -  jdstrand
[16:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update -  jdstrand
[16:19] <jdstrand> o/
[16:19] <skaet> o/
[16:19] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:19] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-security.html
[16:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-security.html
[16:19] <jdstrand> The team has been reviewing security bugs that affect the maverick release, and have been pushing last minute updates in as needed.
[16:19] <jdstrand> We reviewed the AppArmor profiles using jj's patches from the 0-day update kernel. Things look good there.
[16:19] <skaet> cool.
[16:19] <jdstrand> The team has and is continuing to perform various audits on the RC images, and so far everything looks good.
[16:20] <jdstrand> these include various RNG tests and files in the default install (eg, suid, world writable, etc)
[16:20] <jdstrand> We have several bugs that have been deferred for SRU (see SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick)
[16:21] <jdstrand> In terms of release targeted bugs, we are looking at bug #600549, which recently moved back to Confirmed from Fix Released.
[16:21] <jdstrand> that's pretty much it
[16:21] <skaet> thanks.  does it look like 600549 will get addressed in time?   or something complicated?
[16:22] <jdstrand> skaet: it was something simple last time. I only just noticed it this morning
[16:22] <jdstrand> skaet: so I'm not totally sure
[16:22] <skaet> fair 'nuf.
[16:22] <ScottK> I suspect it's a ssl v2 test that fails because we don't support v2
[16:23]  * jdstrand was thinking the same
[16:23] <jdstrand> but mdeslaur looked at it before, and I asked him to look at it this time
[16:23] <skaet> thanks jdstrand,   any other questions?
[16:23] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[16:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - ogasawara
[16:23] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:23] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:23] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:23] <ogasawara> For the bugs noted in the agenda, status is as follows:
[16:24] <ogasawara> Bug 633983 - Per apw's investigation, this is most probabally an incompatibility between the Mac EFI implementation and the CDs; amd64 images now have specific EFI support and this is reported as a problem with Win7 CDs on these machines also. To confirm this we need to remaster the amd64 CD without EFI support. A remastered image has now been made available and testing requested.
[16:24] <ogasawara> Bug 633392 - Debug info not showing any obvious kernel errors, still investigating.
[16:24] <ogasawara> Bug 628029 - Release noted - "Due to current hardware limitations it is not possible to use suspend on the Ubuntu ARM images for pandaboards (OMAP4) even though the suspend option is shown in the logout menu."
[16:24] <ogasawara> Bug 497546 - diwic is investigating.
[16:24] <ogasawara> Bug 503790 - Have posted a Maverick test kernel, waiting for feedback.
[16:25] <ogasawara> We are planning for a day 0 kernel upload which primarily consists of security updates, see bug 647071 for more info. We are continuing to queue Maverick SRU patches, including the 2.6.35.5, 2.6.35.6, and 2.6.35.7 upstream stable patch sets.  Also, all of our work items have been closed for the Maverick cycle.
[16:25] <skaet> sweet
[16:25] <ogasawara> We've also done a last minute upload of module-init-tools to temporarily disable 11n functionality for the iwlagn driver until Intel releases updated firmware to resolve bug 630748.  Can we get an archive admin to approve this from the upload queue?
[16:25] <cjwatson> if it's in the upload queue it'll be looked at
[16:25] <ogasawara> perfect, thanks
[16:26] <ogasawara> Any other questions?
[16:26] <seb128> got one
[16:26] <cjwatson> yeah, that should be fine, will approve
[16:26] <seb128> asac noticed that alt-printscreen stopped working
[16:26] <seb128> it seems it doesn't even trigger a key event in xev
[16:27] <seb128> was that a kernel change on how sysreq,printsreen is handled?
[16:27] <seb128> we failed to figure what part of the stack could be to blame, asac though it might be a kernel option for sysreq
[16:27] <seb128> ?
[16:28] <ogasawara> seb128: ah that bug, from a kernel perspective it's expected behavior, ie SysRq handling is enabled by default thus Alt+PrtScrn is interpreted as SysRq
[16:28] <seb128> hum
[16:28] <seb128> so what do you suggest as a way to fix the "take a screenshot"?
[16:28] <ogasawara> seb128: I posted 3 suggested options to the bug
[16:28] <seb128> ok, I need to find the bug
[16:29] <seb128> I just discussed on IRC so I was not sure there was a bug open and on what component
[16:29] <seb128> I will check for it thanks
[16:29] <ogasawara> seb128: I've got the bug # here somewhere, will ping you with it
[16:29] <seb128> ogasawara, thanks
[16:29] <seb128> that's it from me ;-)
[16:29] <skaet> thanks ogasawara,  nice update - will use your release noted comments.
[16:29] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:29] <ogasawara> seb128: bug 642792
[16:30] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:31] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#RC%20Milestoned%20bugs
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#RC%20Milestoned%20bugs
[16:31] <cjwatson> Lots of bugs from the agenda fixed.  One or two more things still in progress.
[16:31] <cjwatson> Bug 641259 - grub does not appear to load after maverick post-beta install
[16:31] <cjwatson>  * I'll debug this on Wednesday once I get my hands on an affected machine.  Unfortunately there's no practical way to do it earlier.
[16:31] <cjwatson> Bug 610898 - Upgrading Wubi systems from 10.04 LTS is known to fail if Wubi was installed to a partition other than the primary Windows partition, and is not recommended at this time.
[16:31] <cjwatson>  * This is probably release notes fodder as I suspect that we would have needed information to be saved at initial install time in order to know where C: is with any reliability; but advice from Windows experts welcome.
[16:31] <cjwatson> Bug 642344 - libspring-2.5-java needs an initial manual build
[16:31] <cjwatson>  * In progress with IS.
[16:31] <cjwatson> Bug 594162 - segmentation fault while downloading preseed file
[16:31] <cjwatson>  * This may still turn out to be intractable, but we have a possible patch in a PPA for testing now.
[16:31] <cjwatson> Bug 633983 - Can't boot Maverick beta amd64 live cd on macbook (EFI)
[16:31] <cjwatson> Bug 652522 - modules missing from omap netboot image
[16:31] <cjwatson>  * Straightforward non-intrusive fix.
[16:31] <cjwatson> Other than that we're looking at build failure bugs and upgrade bugs as time permits.
[16:31] <cjwatson>  * I think this will need to be release-noted as an unresolvable conflict between support for UEFI systems coming down the pipe and support for the Mac EFI implementation.  The i386 CD is still BIOS-only and we'll try to keep it that way.
[16:32] <cjwatson> --
[16:33] <skaet> release note fodder,  noted.  ;)   thanks.
[16:33] <cjwatson> marjo: (note my comment above about 594162, in case your folks don't notice the update on the bug)
[16:34] <marjo> cjwatson: thx
[16:34] <skaet> any questions?
[16:34] <skaet> ... or am I rushing things?
[16:34] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: Do we need to have netboot images for omap4 as well?
[16:35] <GrueMaster> If so, I'll add that to D-I
[16:35] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: if we do then it's too late
[16:35] <GrueMaster> ok.
[16:35] <GrueMaster> Pick it up in N
[16:35] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: they'd need to have had at least some testing well before this, I'd have thought
[16:36] <cjwatson> I mean, we don't have *any* d-i images for omap4
[16:36] <GrueMaster> I was only told about omap yesterday.
[16:36] <cjwatson> right, we've been building other d-i omap images for some time though
[16:36] <GrueMaster> I'll bring it up with ogra offline.
[16:36] <cjwatson> so it's a matter of fixing existing images rather than adding new ones
[16:37] <cjwatson> if it is declared necessary by People In Charge then please let me and skaet know ASAP ...
[16:37] <GrueMaster> will do.
[16:38] <skaet> anything else cjwatson,  before moving on?
[16:38] <cjwatson> not from me
[16:38] <skaet> cool.   thanks cjwatson
[16:39] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - ttx
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - ttx
[16:39] <Daviey> Hi o/
[16:39] <Daviey> (/me is standing in for ttx)
[16:39] <Daviey> We seem to be in a really good position at the moment.  Perhaps the calm before the storm from any issues the RC produces.
[16:39] <skaet> hi Daviey
[16:39] <Daviey> hi skaet
[16:39] <Daviey> I won't repeat the full report (unless anyone wants me to),
[16:39] <Daviey> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:39] <Daviey> - status marked in-line.
[16:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:39] <Daviey> We don't have any High, Critical or Release Milestoned bugs that currently need our attention.
[16:39] <Daviey> The RC is lacking a fix for Bug #650893 , but this is an apt-get upgrade and should be on the Final.  In all, we seem to be in a really good shape as it stands.
[16:40] <Daviey> (/me is pleased)
[16:40] <ScottK> Daviey: Bug #651138 is listed under MOTU, but it's in Main and a server package.  FYI.
[16:40] <Daviey> I am a little concerned with 641259:grub does not load upon reboot after installing. There is no message indicating that grub is loading, nor does holding shift have any effect - ( Unsure of direction, assigned to cjwatson)
[16:41] <Daviey> bug #641259
[16:41] <Daviey> ScottK: Ok, one moment...
[16:41] <cjwatson> I mentioned that in my report above
[16:41] <cjwatson> of course I can only hope that the issue on Marjo's netbook is the same thing
[16:41] <cjwatson> 16:31 <cjwatson>  * I'll debug this on Wednesday once I get my hands on an affected machine.  Unfortunately there's no practical way to do it earlier.
[16:42] <Daviey> ScottK: Ok, thanks - i'll add that to our watch list.
[16:42] <Daviey> ScottK: nobody is currently looking at that one afaik.. but i will make sue it's on someones radar.
[16:42] <Daviey> cjwatson: Ah yes, sorry - did read that.
[16:42] <skaet> thanks Daviey , ScottK.   will note it as well.
[16:43] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:44] <Daviey> not from me o/
[16:44] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop team update - seb128
[16:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team update - seb128
[16:44] <seb128> hey
[16:44] <seb128> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:44] <seb128> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:44] <seb128> - GNOME 2.32 got uploaded
[16:44] <seb128> - Lot of bug fixing in the desktop and unity
[16:44] <seb128> - RC testing was mostly fine, not real blocker issues spotted
[16:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:44] <seb128>  
[16:44] <seb128> bugs:
[16:44] <seb128>  * bug #650898: launchpad says it doesn't exist, wrong bug number?
[16:44] <seb128>  * bug #646995: require archive admin processing
[16:44] <seb128>  * bug #646824: somebody from the community is working on it
[16:44] <seb128>  * bug #639835: has been fixed today
[16:45] <seb128>  * bug #610600: will not be fixed for maverick, also listed in the "need documentation in the release notes" category
[16:45] <seb128>  * bug #575160: has a candidate fix which is being reviewed
[16:45] <seb128>  * bug #640432: is being investigated
[16:45] <skaet> will look into what snafu'd on 650898.
[16:46] <skaet> seb128,  I'll follow up on it, after the meeting with you.
[16:47] <seb128> skaet, ok
[16:47] <skaet> thanks seb128
[16:47] <skaet> any questions?
[16:48] <ScottK> seb128: xvidcap should just need a merge from Debian Multimedia
[16:48] <ScottK> (646824)
[16:48] <seb128> ScottK, ok thanks
[16:49] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[16:49]  * skaet looks around...   figures its time to move on.
[16:49] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu one update - joshuahoover
[16:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu one update - joshuahoover
[16:49] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:49] <joshuahoover> hi! the list of high/critical u1 bugs are found on that release status page i posted
[16:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:50] <joshuahoover> we really only have one bug left that we'd like to get in for final (today) if possible...
[16:50] <joshuahoover> bug #647483 - there's some u1-client help text that isn't translatable...nessita chatted with seb128 about the problem (not the specific bug at that time) & it sounded like this would be ok to get in
[16:50] <joshuahoover> if it's not possible, then we'll have to do an sru...i just need to confirm that it's ok to get this in today or not :)
[16:51] <skaet> robbiew, cjwatson: ^^^
[16:51] <joshuahoover> thanks skaet, forgot to poke them there :)
[16:51] <skaet> heh
[16:52] <cjwatson> that can still go in but you need to let ubuntu-translators know and you won't get actual translations for release
[16:52] <cjwatson> (post-release language packs might include them though)
[16:52] <robbiew> right...that was my thought (re translations)
[16:52] <joshuahoover> cjwatson, robbiew: ok, i'll let ubuntu-translators know
[16:52] <joshuahoover> that's all i have for ubuntu one...questions?
[16:52] <ScottK> I don't see an advantage to doing it now over an SRU then.
[16:52] <robbiew> good point
[16:52] <cjwatson> there is that, yes
[16:53] <joshuahoover> ah, ok...that's true
[16:53] <robbiew> less changes in the RC the better :D
[16:53] <skaet> joshuahoover, so for the bugs listed in the agenda,  will all need release notes?
[16:54] <joshuahoover> we'll do an sru for that
[16:54] <joshuahoover> skaet: on 617656, yes, for sure
[16:55] <joshuahoover> skaet: on 603590, we can note that one
[16:55] <joshuahoover> skaet: 422178 is released in maverick, we're going to do an sru for lucid and karmic
[16:56] <joshuahoover> skaet: i think that is it
[16:56] <skaet> cool.   thanks.   will work with you offline then for the wordings?
[16:57] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:57] <joshuahoover> skaet: sure, sounds good :)
[16:57] <skaet> thanks joshuahoover
[16:57] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu team update - Riddell
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu team update - Riddell
[16:57] <Riddell> ooh, me
[16:57] <skaet> yup.  :)
[16:57] <Riddell>  * Kubuntu 10.10 RC out, went pleasingly smooth
[16:57] <Riddell>  * http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3  back up to 15 tagged bugs, none critical, none release blockers
[16:57] <Riddell>  * Ubuntu font is now default in Kubuntu, slight deviation from the release schedule there but nobody will notice :)
[16:57] <Riddell>  * upload of Qt expected today (to fix GTK bugs), no other major uploads expected
[16:57] <Riddell>  * KDM still crashing on logout for some, but workaround in a proposed release note, bug 651294
[16:58] <Riddell>  * I'd also like to see bug 634664 fixed
[16:58] <cjwatson> ev appeared to think that was by design
[16:58] <cjwatson> i.e. it's only supposed to download them
[16:58] <cjwatson> (and yes, maybe the text could be clearer, but we're string-frozen now)
[16:58] <Riddell> cjwatson: it doesn't download them.  but I've another bug to investigate about ubiquity not getting removed on OEM installs before I hassle him more
[16:59] <cjwatson> if it doesn't even download them, that hasn't been made clear in the bug
[16:59] <ev> Riddell: you're certain that updates are available and there aren't any files in /var/cache/apt/archives post-install?
[17:00] <Riddell> ev: there are files from the restricted install in /var/cache/apt/archives
[17:00] <Riddell> but nothing else
[17:00] <inetpro> Riddell: thanks to the kubuntu team, I tested the rc in a vm yesterday and it was a great experience!
[17:01] <Riddell> yay
[17:01] <ev> restricted install?
[17:01] <Riddell> the kubuntu team are very rocking
[17:01] <Riddell> ev: kubuntu-restricted-addons
[17:01] <ev> sorry, I mean /target/var/cache/apt/archives
[17:01] <ev> assuming you haven't rebooted into the final system
[17:01] <Riddell> /var/cache/apt/archives after a reboot
[17:03] <skaet> thanks Riddell and Kubuntu team.  :)
[17:03] <ev> hm, at the very least we should be pushing the apt-get stdout to /var/log/installer/debug
[17:03] <ev> Riddell: I'll look into it on Monday
[17:04] <skaet> any other questions?
[17:05] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience - davidbarth
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience - davidbarth
[17:05]  * skaet looks around for davidbarth,  anyone know?
[17:06] <robbiew> hmm...might have a conflict
[17:06] <skaet> ok,  guess better move on for now then...   see if he catches up with us later.
[17:06] <davidbarth> yep
[17:07] <davidbarth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[17:07] <davidbarth> is the the status report
[17:07] <davidbarth> sorry, just on a call at the same time
[17:07] <seb128> davidbarth, the font change went in yesterday
[17:07] <davidbarth> there is not much to mention at this point
[17:07] <seb128> bug #649616
[17:08] <davidbarth> the last hiccup having been the shotwell issue with the messaging menu, and we've decided to blacklist it at this point, while we review a better fix for that problem
[17:08] <davidbarth> the font change was the other bug on the radar, and as seb128 mentions, it's in now
[17:09] <davidbarth> any questions?
[17:09] <skaet> thanks davidbarth.  :)
[17:09] <inetpro> davidbarth: the font looks awesome
[17:10] <davidbarth> thanks, i'll pass on the kudos
[17:11] <skaet> ... moving along now...
[17:11] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU team update - ScottK
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK
[17:11] <ScottK> Hello
[17:11] <skaet> hello
[17:11] <ScottK> The only bug left on your list is the wx one.
[17:12] <ScottK> I don't think it's really RC anymore.
[17:12] <ScottK> Anyone that wants to be TIL wxwidgets is welcome to fix it.
[17:12] <skaet> okie.
[17:12] <skaet> anything that should be on the list that isn't?
[17:12] <ScottK> Making good progress on NBS and FTBFS .
[17:12] <pitti> we still have a couple of NBS, too
[17:13] <pitti> many wf which are powerpc specific
[17:13] <ScottK> Still some to do.
[17:13] <pitti> shoudl we just ditch those and say "shrug"?
[17:13] <ScottK> At some point.
[17:13] <pitti> (a lot of packages FTBFS on powerpc)
[17:13] <pitti> i. e. it's not just a simple rebuild, these were already done
[17:13] <ScottK> More FTBFS on armel, but most of them have never built on armel, so don't affect NBS.
[17:14] <ScottK> http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/build-failures-as-a-proxy-for-archive-quality/ BTW
[17:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/build-failures-as-a-proxy-for-archive-quality/ BTW
[17:14] <ScottK> skaet: I'm not aware of anything RC that's not on the list and should be.
[17:14] <skaet> cool.   :D
[17:15]  * ScottK is a bit distracted today trying to adjust to the font.
[17:15]  * ogra_ac wishes he had only font issues :P
[17:15] <ScottK> That's all I have.
[17:16] <skaet> ScottK, which day did we decide on as final freeze for MOTU for those not on the images?
[17:16] <cjwatson> some of the NBS are false positives - omap4 stuff showing up there is a bug
[17:16] <pitti> it's still building
[17:16] <ScottK> skaet: I need to look it up.
[17:16] <cjwatson> it's finished building now actually
[17:16] <cjwatson> it's still a bug that it shows up there while building though
[17:17] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks.
[17:17] <cjwatson> anyway, should go away in 20 minutes or so
[17:17] <ScottK> skaet: Noon UTC on October 6.
[17:17] <pitti> cjwatson: NBS running hourly now?
[17:17] <cjwatson> yep
[17:17] <cjwatson> I optimised it, it takes a minute to generate now
[17:18] <cjwatson> (archive-cruft-check.py runtime plus <10 seconds)
[17:19] <ScottK> :-)
[17:19] <pitti> my final question, do we already have staffing for Sunday's release actions?
[17:19] <skaet> ScottK, nice blog post,  will ask some questions offline.  :)
[17:19] <ScottK> Sure thing.
[17:20] <pitti> I guess it should pretty much be "run sync-mirrors", "send out email", and "update web page"
[17:20] <pitti> ?
[17:20] <cjwatson> slightly different question, who's definitively not available on Sunday?
[17:20]  * cjwatson raises hand
[17:20] <pitti> if necessary, I can be available
[17:20] <Riddell> I'm about
[17:20] <Riddell> but I'd like to check that all the people who need to sign off on images will do so
[17:20] <pitti> I just don't have enough powers to publish the announcement on the website
[17:20] <cjwatson> (raising hand as unavailable, FAOD)
[17:20] <pitti> i. e. we need newz2000 or someone with similar powers
[17:20] <skaet> newz2000 is going to be available.
[17:20] <robbiew> yeah
[17:20] <cjwatson> signoff ought to happen the day before, imo
[17:21] <pitti> so, skip the "if necessary", I'll hang out
[17:21] <pitti> cjwatson: +1
[17:21] <skaet> thanks pitti
[17:21] <Riddell> and that there is someone assigned to makeing the release notes and techinical overview
[17:21]  * ogra_ac likes to note that the arm team still looks for an available archiv admin to review opengles-sgx-omap3, powervr-omap3 and devmem2 in NEW
[17:21] <pitti> I think on Friday or at most Sat we should have the images ready and pre-published
[17:21] <cjwatson> elmo asked us to defer prepublication to Sat
[17:21] <pitti> ack
[17:21] <robbiew> I would like ISOs all tested by Friday...then we move them out Saturday (late to avoid OMG crap)...and then announce Sunday
[17:21] <cjwatson> since otherwise the quasi-hidden URLs leak too early
[17:21] <pitti> so when we wait for newz2000, we won't release at 10:10 UTC, I figure :)
[17:22] <ScottK> Can't cron do the release?
[17:22] <robbiew> pitti: he actually said he would wake up early for it :P
[17:22] <ogra_ac> ScottK, lol
[17:22] <pitti> robbiew: nice
[17:22] <skaet> I'll be working with robbiew to get release notes done through the next week, and looking for input during the work week. :)
[17:22] <pitti> robbiew: should be 30 mins or so for him
[17:22] <robbiew> ScottK: nah...wouldn't have my signature cut-and-paste typos ;)
[17:22] <Riddell> am I right in thinking that the names on the right are the people who need to say the image is good for release? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest
[17:23] <robbiew> dude...the kubuntu theme doesn't work for me
[17:23] <robbiew> Riddell: and yes
[17:23] <Riddell> and will they all be around?  because several weren't for the RC
[17:23] <pitti> Riddell: do you know how to send a mail to ubuntu-announce@? I don't (any more)
[17:23] <robbiew> I do :)
[17:23] <Riddell> pitti: I have memories of it needing a special header
[17:23] <robbiew> and I will be around
[17:24] <pitti> robbiew: okay; I guess the text will be ready Fri, we just need to send/moderate on Sun
[17:24] <robbiew> I have moderate access to ubuntu-announce
[17:24] <robbiew> and can send
[17:24] <robbiew> ;)
[17:24] <pitti> ok, cool
[17:24] <pitti> so, seems Sunday is mostly mechanical "press the button" stuff then
[17:24] <robbiew> I'll be stuck in London...so have no problems working the weekend ;)
[17:24] <robbiew> ack
[17:24] <Riddell> so who's writing the announcement and release notes?
[17:24] <pitti> ok, I'll still be around, just in case
[17:25] <robbiew> Riddell: me
[17:25] <robbiew> with skaet's help
[17:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Careful you don't volunteer.
[17:25] <robbiew> heh
[17:25] <pitti> release notes will mostly be from the RC one, I guess, plus adaptions from this week's updates?
[17:25] <GrueMaster> Are we skipping over Arm status, or coming back to it?
[17:25] <ScottK> skaet: On a different topic, for UDS, would you please schedule a session (propose a blueprint) for a Ubuntu Release Team BOF)?
[17:25] <robbiew> pitti: ack
[17:25] <Riddell> and who's going to be building and tracking ISOs?
[17:25] <skaet> yup... waiting to get to ARM.
[17:25] <GrueMaster> ok
[17:25] <cjwatson> I guess we should do the building/tracking from London
[17:25] <robbiew> yeah
[17:26] <skaet> ScottK,  ack
[17:26] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:26] <pitti> skaet: will you be in London, too?
[17:26] <skaet> yup
[17:26] <skaet> getting to see it all first hand.  :)
[17:26] <robbiew> it's all good...don't panic ;)
[17:26] <cjwatson> skaet and I at least will be there and have image-build access
[17:26] <pitti> skaet: enjoy!
[17:26] <skaet> pitti,  thanks.
[17:27] <pitti> cjwatson, skaet: btw, during my alpha RM I wrote a script to generate publish-release.py commands from the ISO tracker
[17:27] <pitti> it needs some adaptions for the slightly different options for final, but it might serve as a good base
[17:27] <cjwatson> I was just telling Riddell about that the other day for RC
[17:27] <cjwatson> I used it for beta
[17:27] <pitti> it finds the right time stamps, has the quirks for the spethial directories for server, etc.
[17:27] <Riddell> actually I have a copy of all the ones I used for RC
[17:27] <cjwatson> (and extended it, so it should mostly be workable for final now)
[17:27] <pitti> great
[17:27] <marjo> robbiew: +1 on the "don't panic"
[17:28] <cjwatson> Riddell: can you mail me them and I'll reconcile?
[17:28] <Riddell> ok
[17:28] <cjwatson> ta
[17:28] <skaet> pitti,  cool.  looking forward to cjwatson showing me it.
[17:28] <skaet> time to move on to ARM now I think....
[17:28] <pitti> so in natty we'll have a mostly automatic publishing script then, nice
[17:29] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - GrueMaster
[17:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - GrueMaster
[17:29] <GrueMaster> Bear with me as I am new to the Release meetings.  If I screw up, slap ogra for nuking his x86 with an arm image.  :P
[17:29] <GrueMaster> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[17:29] <GrueMaster> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[17:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[17:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[17:29] <GrueMaster> Work is actively being done on 3 audio bugs (bug 651302, bug 651281, bug 628217) on separate platforms.  Generally the same issue on all three.
[17:29] <GrueMaster> The big critical one is Bug 646421, as in order to fix it, we either need a fix prior to release or it won't be fixed in maverick.  Can't SRU without respinning images as our images are preinstalled.
[17:30] <GrueMaster> Other than that, the images are looking very good.
[17:30] <GrueMaster> Most of the team will be onsite at TI next week to bring up final on their release candidate platform.
[17:31] <ogra_ac> and there are opengles-sgx-omap3, powervr-omap3 and devmem2 in NEW that we would like to have reviewed :)
[17:31]  * ogra_ac is partially here
[17:31] <ogra_ac> also the general note ... omap4 kernels might come in late in the game
[17:31] <ogra_ac> as well as bootloader changes
[17:32] <cjwatson> 646421> your team is responsible for that, right?
[17:32] <ogra_ac> i had planned to work on that today
[17:32] <cjwatson> right, just wanted to make sure it hadn't fallen between the arm/foundations cracks
[17:32] <ogra_ac> the fix will me max 5 lines or so i think, i just need to get a usable system again
[17:33] <ogra_ac> and someone to approve
[17:33] <ogra_ac> writing it is less work than testing it i gues
[17:33] <ogra_ac> s
[17:33] <cjwatson> yes, I'd expect it to be small code
[17:34] <ogra_ac> oh, and sine it wasnt mentioned ... omap4 images will very likely be delayed
[17:34] <ogra_ac> *since
[17:34] <ogra_ac> due to the above
[17:35] <skaet>  thanks GrueMaster, ogra_ac.
[17:35] <ogra_ac> (as usually, my general note)
[17:35] <cjwatson> ogra_ac: can you confirm that we don't need d-i images on omap4?
[17:35] <cjwatson> ("nice-to-have" excluded)
[17:35] <ogra_ac> cjwatson, yes
[17:35] <cjwatson> good, thanks
[17:35] <ogra_ac> and not even nice to have
[17:35] <ogra_ac> we dont have partman setup
[17:35] <cjwatson> right
[17:35] <ogra_ac> or bootloader install
[17:35] <cjwatson> yeah, hence my concern about late-arrival images.  thanks.
[17:36] <skaet>  good luck wishes to the team onsite at TI.
[17:36] <ogra_ac> only preinstalled :)
[17:36] <skaet> any other questions?
[17:36] <ogra_ac> (this is a really lovely format for development btw ... you can test changes immediately)
[17:37] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro team update - JamieBennett
[17:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro team update - JamieBennett
[17:38]  * skaet looks around... guess its getting a bit late
[17:38] <skaet> moving on...
[17:38] <skaet> [TOPIC] Open floor, new issues, etc.
[17:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open floor, new issues, etc.
[17:39] <skaet> I think we've covered the key release logistics a bit earlier.
[17:39] <Riddell> who's going to London?
[17:39] <skaet> anyone else have any comments, concerns, etc. ?
[17:40] <Riddell> rickspencer3, jiboumans and davidm were the missing sign-off people from the RC, will they be there?
[17:40] <skaet> Riddell,  there's a wiki page.   I'll post a link
[17:40] <skaet> jib won't be,  but the others will.
[17:40] <robbiew> all but jib...but we'll have ttx and Daviey
[17:41] <rickspencer3> I'll be there
[17:41] <robbiew> hell...and I'll sign-off if need be ;)
[17:41]  * robbiew just assumes the power...if that's what's needed to get the ISO out :D
[17:42] <Riddell> good to know we take our QA seriously
[17:43] <marjo> Riddell: but we do
[17:43] <skaet> marjo will be there too.  :)
[17:44] <skaet> ok,  if nothing else,  then its probably time to end this.
[17:44] <skaet> thanks everyone.
[17:44] <skaet> #endmeeting
[17:44] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:44.
[17:44] <marjo> skaet: thx!
[17:44] <robbiew> btw...no meeting next week ;)
[17:44] <Daviey> Riddell: ttx asked about the RC status if we were happy with it.  I told him the outstanding stuff, and he seemed happy to sign it off.  This was in #u-release .
[17:45] <Riddell> Daviey: I know, I had to text him to get him to do that.  and he's not the person listed as the one who should do it anyway
[17:46] <robbiew> Riddell: right...but he's the tech lead, and if jib is unavailable, I think common sense dictates the he's the best alternate ;).
[17:46] <Daviey> ok, noted.
[17:47] <skaet> thanks marjo, robbiew, Daviey, GrueMaster, cjwatson, ScottK, davidbarth, joshuahoover, seb128, ogasawara, jdstrand,  Riddell.
[17:47] <skaet> good meeting.
[17:47] <seb128> skaet, thanks
[17:47] <joshuahoover> thank you skaet
[17:48] <pitti> have a nice weekend everyoen
[17:48] <Daviey> thanks o/
[17:48]  * Daviey EoW's
[17:48] <jdstrand> o/
[21:06] <inkvizitor68sl> $хм
[21:06] <jpds> inkvizitor68sl: Hi.
[21:07] <inkvizitor68sl> hi.
[21:07] <inkvizitor68sl> bug at ZNC xD