[00:20] <paultag> Hey guys :)
[00:29] <ronj> hai
[00:31] <ScottL> hi paultag , ronj
[00:32] <paultag> ScottL, howdy, you too ronj :)
[01:46] <ScottL> http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/images/website-mockup-2.png
[01:46] <ScottL> mockup of a possible new ubuntu studio website
[01:47] <ScottL> comments welcome
[01:48] <rlameiro> I like it, a lot
[01:49] <ScottL> oh, thanks :)
[01:49]  * ScottL is blushing slightly
[01:50] <persia> Unless we have some volunteer to produce news at least once a week, I'm very much against the "News" column
[01:50] <persia> What is "Planet Studio"?
[01:51] <persia> s/powerfull/powerful/
[01:51] <persia> Layout, colors, etc. are prety :)
[01:51] <ScottL> i would like to do quick news myself, for example, a few lines mentioning moving towards the -lowlatency kernel and trying to get it into the archives
[01:51] <ScottL> being the default kernel
[01:52] <ScottL> news about workflows, just mentioning it and the general idea
[01:52] <ScottL> also the news would have rss feed
[01:52] <ScottL> "planet studio" could be like ubuntu planet, blog aggregate for ubuntu studio users
[01:52] <ScottL> ack'd spelling
[01:52] <ScottL> thank you :)
[01:53] <ScottL> .
[01:53] <ScottL> one thing i forgot in the workflows would be watching a movie
[01:53] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows
[01:53] <persia> Won't be like Planet Ubuntu then: it would be like Planet Ubuntu Users.
[01:54] <ScottL> well, yes, that is technically correct then
[01:54]  * persia thinks watching a movie is a Desktop task, and that we should just assume they got it right, and complain at them when they didn't
[01:54] <ScottL> i thought we might consider vlc rather them totem or whatever is current
[01:54] <persia> heh.  Sorry to be pedantic.  I get overfussy about some details.
[01:54] <ScottL> i understand, in my bailiwick at work i am the same
[01:55] <ScottL> but i wanted to solicit feedback from others about it
[01:56] <persia> I think that, except where we can point at some specific reason not to do so, we'd do better to just use the stuff Ubuntu Desktop has.
[01:56] <persia> So far, I think our exception list is as follows (but would appreciate correction):
[01:56] <persia> 1) we want a lower-latency kernel
[01:57] <persia> 2) we distribute audacious rather than rythmbox because we expect most of our users will not be using a music library, but rather playing recently created tracks or sampling tracks from others.
[01:57] <persia> 3) We don't use network-manager because it has an unpredictable load profile
[01:58] <persia> 4) We don't use indicator-me (or any of the instant-communication-social-media stuff) because it has an unpredictable load profile
[01:59] <persia> So, if there was a decision to use, say vlc rather than totem, I'd be more likely to support it if there was a reason that we believed totem could adversely affect the workflow for our target users.
[02:37] <ScottL> i that all tracks well and i can't think of anything contrary to point out
[02:43]  * ScottL is restarting computer for updates
[02:53] <persia> ScottL, Just to be clear, I'm opinionated, but don't necessarily want to impose my view.  I tend to think of ubuntustudio-desktop as being an alternative to ubuntu-desktop for folks that need to not have some stuff, rather than being especially cool or nifty or fun.
[02:54] <persia> Whereas the rest of ubuntustudio-* tends to be collections of useful applications that can be installed on either ubuntu-desktop or ubuntustudio-desktop, depending on what the user needs as a base.
[02:54] <persia> I'm not sure that this view of things is widely shared, or even aligned with the goals of the project :)
[03:18] <ScottL> that's cool persia
[03:19] <ScottL> i was just wondering if anyone had experience with vlc and if it was quite better than totem
[03:19] <ScottL> i've read many times in paper and on the internet that vlc is quite ace but i really do not watch much video and have no experience really with vlc
[03:19]  * holstein is a VLC fanboy
[03:19] <holstein> its one of the first things i install
[03:20] <ScottL> lol, xmarks is probably the first thing i install (for firefox bookmarks)
[03:20] <holstein> chromium, and chrome has a thing built in
[03:21] <holstein> bookmark sync
[03:21] <persia> VLC does a lot of cool things that totem can't.  Totem tends to provide a more seamless user experience.
[03:21] <holstein> the password sync is handy with xmarks though
[03:21] <ScottL> holstein, did you see my website mock-up?   
[03:21] <holstein> ScottL: hmmm
[03:21] <ScottL> http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/images/website-mockup-2.png
[03:21] <holstein> pretty sure
[03:21] <holstein> YEHA
[03:21] <ScottL> i added another column and adjusted some spacings
[03:21] <holstein> yeah*
[03:22] <holstein> +1 on the layout
[03:22] <ScottL> thanks
[03:22] <holstein> extra column
[03:22] <ScottL> generally the reception has been pleasantly positive
[03:22] <holstein> im not a huge fan of the 'set your creativity free' font
[03:22] <holstein> but i get the idea
[03:23] <holstein> and the contrast is nice
[03:24] <ScottL> you're not the first to mention that font :)
[03:24] <ScottL> not liking it, that is
[03:24] <holstein> eh
[03:24] <holstein> i get it
[03:24] <holstein> do your thing i say
[03:24] <holstein> its clean and slick
[03:25] <holstein> the whole unit
[03:25] <holstein> i think if it was 20% less frilly
[03:25] <holstein> that font
[03:26] <persia> I think the frilliness is important.  I don't much like the font, but I like that it's frilly and italic.
[03:26] <holstein> yeah
[03:26] <holstein> sets it apart
[03:26] <ScottL> i looked through *ALL* the fonts in inkscape and that was the best font i found ;)
[03:27] <persia> And I think the contrast is important in terms of associating self-identification to Ubuntu Studio for target users, who often accept identities in contrast to that considered "regular" or "normal"
[03:27] <persia> ScottL, Well then.  It's the right font :)
[03:27] <persia> (unless someone wants to hand-draw the phrase)
[03:27] <ScottL> i shall not live or die by this website and i am very open to suggestions
[03:27] <ScottL> or change the phrase
[03:28] <ScottL> or replace it with an image
[03:28] <ScottL> a cool drawing done by a user could be awesome right there
[03:29] <ScottL> i admit that i was thinking of troy a lot when i had been working on it, thinking, "what would troy say?" LOL
[03:29] <ScottL> that's why i still want to really identify the audience more and their needs
[03:30] <ScottL> i really like the logo with the word "experience" above and to the left, kinda hanging there
[03:30] <holstein> yeah
[03:30] <holstein> i gotta say
[03:30] <holstein> i wasnt diggin the logo til this
[03:31]  * persia misses blue but likes the logo overall
[03:42] <ScottL> persia, do you mean the blue cof ?
[03:42] <ScottL> like cory's logo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/LogoRedesignV3
[03:43] <ScottL> .
[03:43] <ScottL> it's funny (and rewarding) how things like this come together
[03:43] <ScottL> i had come up with a few things  http://scottalavender.deviantart.com/gallery/
[03:44] <ScottL> and cory like how i had put the "t" and "d" together
[03:44] <persia> Just blue in general.  The logo used to be blue.  But don't change it because of my nostalgia.
[03:44] <ScottL> err, it was the "n" and "d"
[03:44] <ScottL> but he also like how the "experience" logo had "ubuntu" and "studio" offset
[03:44] <persia> 'n' could flow to either 't' or 'd', really.
[03:44] <ScottL> and combined the two :)
[03:45] <ScottL> mine was centered but i think the staggered look provides better anchors for other aspects
[03:49] <ScottL> natty is stacking to be a big release :)
[07:23] <astraljava> I'm with persia re: the blue color, it's somehow stuck in my mind as the color of US. :)
[07:23] <astraljava> Otherwise, the mock-up for website is damn cool!
[07:24] <abogani> URL?
[07:24] <astraljava> I'm not a huge fan of putting the 'n' together with neither 't' nor 'd'.
[07:24] <astraljava> abogani: http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/images/website-mockup-2.png
[07:28] <abogani> woooo impressive
[12:27] <ScottL> thank you astraljava and abogani, it's not necessarily THE new website, it's just something i was inspired to make
[12:27] <ScottL> but i'm glad you like it
[12:28] <ScottL> i've been overwhelmingly surprised by the positive responses
[12:28] <abogani> It's really cool
[12:28] <ScottL> i am not intuitively good at art and design in the way that that i believe troy or cory are
[12:29] <ScottL> abogani, thank you :)
[12:34] <ScottL> abogani, i believe you were discussing ralf earlier, currently he seems a most unreasonable person due to his seemingly obsession with the -rt kernel :/
[12:38] <abogani> When I read hist first email I thought that his was a troll.
[12:43] <abogani> he*
[12:56] <ScottL> heh, that is understandable
[14:39] <scott-work> there is a new musescore update that fixes many bugs available
[14:40] <scott-work> ScottK has asked if we would like it, presumably for maverick
[14:40] <scott-work> if anyone would like to test it it is available at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56895273/musescore_0.9.6.2%2Bdfsg-1ubuntu1_0.9.6.3%2Bdfsg-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[14:41] <scott-work> in fact it would be appreciate if someone did
[14:41] <scott-work> i expect to see the doctor today for muscle problems in my back today and fully expect to be on muscle relaxers later and not fully functional ;)
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