[01:21] <Kurdistan> damn when I changed back to opensource nvidia driver the ubuntu splash screen is not gone
[01:22] <Kurdistan> only the shotdown not the startup screen splash screen
[02:47] <zkriesse> phillw: pinzy
[08:41] <Kurdistan> goodmorning
[10:21] <raqu> Hi! Is there a good FTP-client in lubuntu? And I'd like to have an editor like gedit, where I can manipulate files via an FTP-plugin
[11:29] <leszek> hi
[11:31] <sgh> hi
[15:31] <manfredrasta> hi
[15:31] <manfredrasta> is there anybody here?
[15:31] <manfredrasta> I'll need support...
[15:32] <manfredrasta> I cannot connect to my wifi line
[15:33] <manfredrasta> I see the line, i click on it, then ask me for the password, I enter it, and click connect. The Metwork Manager icon changes to a 'loading' icon. Wait, wait, wait and then it returns me to the password page
[15:33] <manfredrasta> gilir, are you here?
[15:45] <gilir> manfredrasta, yes ?
[15:48] <manfredrasta> gilir, hi
[15:48] <manfredrasta> gilir, still here?
[15:53] <gilir> you should ask your question instead of pinging me :)
[17:02] <manfredrasta> gilir, could you have a look at this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581170g
[17:02] <manfredrasta> gilir, you can answer there if you want.
[18:07] <Tir_Eoghan> I've got a fairly foolish question; I understand that Chromium is the default browser for this distro; Is it fairly easy to remove chromium entirely from the system?
[18:08] <Mohan_chml> Tir_Eoghan: Of-Course
[18:09] <Mohan_chml> But make sure you have another browser ;)
[18:09] <Tir_Eoghan> ooh, sweet. So I read a review that was entirely off base.
[18:09] <Tir_Eoghan> haha, naturally
[18:09] <Mohan_chml> (:
[18:10] <Tir_Eoghan> unless of course I'm one of those anti-internets people and don't want a browser at all
[18:10]  * Tir_Eoghan preferes a series of tubes or trucks for his moving of data packets
[18:11] <Mohan_chml> Wow
[18:11] <Tir_Eoghan> well, xubuntu has failed me for the last time... actually I'm just having trouble installing it. So I'm back to lubuntu, questionable default browser or not. Lubuntu livecd is working for me fantastically
[18:12] <Mohan_chml> Awesome =]
[18:12] <Tir_Eoghan> you know where that quote is from right?
[18:12] <Mohan_chml> Huh?
[18:13] <Tir_Eoghan> the "series of tubes, or trucks"
[18:13] <Mohan_chml> googled :D
[18:13] <Tir_Eoghan> one of the people in charge of internet policy in the US
[18:14] <Tir_Eoghan> proving once and for all that the US is governed by morons
[18:14] <Tir_Eoghan> as if we didn't already know that
[18:15] <Mohan_chml> :o
[18:55] <sgh1> ever since I installed Lubuntu 10.10 beta 2 my Windows XP install can't be choosen in Grub
[18:56] <sgh1> sudo update-grub doesn't include it, aswell
[19:00] <bioterror> do you see that partition?-)
[19:00] <bioterror> it should be something like /dev/sda1
[19:01] <bioterror> /dev/sda1              40G   29G   12G  72% /media/3EE0E0DEE0E09D81
[19:01] <bioterror> says my work laptop with lubuntu 10.10
[19:03] <sgh1> which command do I need to use to check it out?
[19:03] <sgh1> anyway I can access the partition with PCManFM
[19:04] <sgh1> oh, sorry I know what you mean now
[19:05] <sgh1> no after 'sudo update-grub' I only see memtest, Linux image and initrd image
[19:05] <bioterror> menuentry "Microsoft Windows XP Professional (on /dev/sda1)" {
[19:05] <bioterror> insmod part_msdos
[19:05] <bioterror> insmod ntfs
[19:05] <bioterror> set root='(hd0,msdos1)'
[19:05] <bioterror> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 3ee0e0dee0e09d81
[19:05] <bioterror> drivemap -s (hd0) ${root}
[19:05] <bioterror> chainloader +1
[19:05] <bioterror> }
[19:06] <bioterror> I think that set is the UUID of the partition
[19:06] <bioterror> you can find partitions uuid with gparted
[19:08] <sgh1> according to GParted Windows XP is sda1, so you were right
[19:08] <bioterror> take that my grub.cfg menuentry and edit that UUID correct ;)
[19:10] <sgh1> do I need to paste your entry in only or do I need to modify anything else also?
[19:10] <bioterror> paste that my entry and replace that 3EE0E0... with your own /dev/sda1's UUID
[19:19] <sgh1> do I need to run update-grub once again now or can I check out if it works already?
[19:21] <bioterror> you can check it out
[19:21] <sgh1> okay
[19:21] <sgh1> thanks bioterror
[19:21] <bioterror> if it doenst help, do the update
[19:23] <sgh1> I've done the update in advance already
[19:23] <sgh1> now it's all reversed :/
[19:24] <sgh1> what confused me is that there are sections for Linux and the memtest
[19:25] <bioterror> ofcourse
[19:25] <sgh1> do I need to create one for XP also or can I simply paste your entry everywhere?
[19:30] <phillw> sgh1: if your grub2 has gotten all confused (and it does happen), then you can do a reset of it via http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708  Put it back so your computer can see the windows area, then put grub back on. It looks scary, but is the quicker option for people who I've helped.
[19:30] <phillw> Or, just do re-instsall of grub using the same method 1st, as that may be quicker.
[19:31] <phillw> How to restore the Ubuntu grub bootloader (9.10 and beyond)
[19:32] <phillw> That will force grub2 to go and look for your windows area.
[19:32] <sgh1> okay I'll try this method out then and report back if it doesn't work
[19:33] <sgh1> thanks phillw and bioterror :)
[19:33] <bioterror> np
[19:34] <phillw> bioterror: soz, I came into the conversation quite late; I'm just on break
[19:35] <bioterror> ;)
[19:35] <phillw> !grub2 | bioterror
[19:35] <bioterror> gotta remember ;)
[19:36] <bioterror> havent had any problems with grub yet, I think
[19:36] <phillw> bioterror: , it's why we have the little critter in here, to help us out when we forget stuff :-D
[19:39] <phillw> the ubot has even be taught about lxterminal, although I still have to teach it about pcmanfm
[19:39] <phillw> !lxterminal | bioterror
[19:40] <phillw> bioterror: the bot is on here 24 hours a day, it covers most common commands that are shared between all the ubuntu family. I'm still in the process of teaching it lubuntu specific ones.
[19:50] <sgh> I've done the first method phillw mentioned but it had no effect
[19:51] <sgh> I need to say though, that I've done the method with an Lubuntu 10.10 Beta 2 USB stick
[19:52] <phillw> then you may have re-installed grub to the wrong disk, it will default to the device you used to boot off.
[19:54] <sgh> I've used the following command in the end:
[19:54] <sgh> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda9 /dev/sda
[19:54] <sgh> sda9 is my Lubuntu install
[19:55] <sgh> I wasn't sure if I should change /dev/sda in this command
[19:57] <phillw> sgh: try section 13 of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[20:01] <phillw> drs305 has written up an excellent set of instructions, but he is in a different time zone, so I cannot nag him directly. If you still have problems, post what you have done and how you are booting to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 and you will get a reply from him.
[20:02] <sgh> okay I will try this method out and contact him if I can't get it to work
[20:03] <sgh> anyway, is it important to use a Live CD or can I use an USB stick to boot, also?
[20:03] <sgh> it's a USB stick that is supposed to behave like a Live CD (no data is saved)
[20:07] <mmaksimov> Hi all. I've seen on the wiki that "if you have less than 160 Mb RAM then GUI installer won't work, use minimal cmdline install path". However, for the liveCD this number is not correct, it fails in a peculiar way with even 256 Mb
[20:09] <phillw> the usb stick will behave as a cd. - just ensure you re-install to the correct device, have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35 which may help you understand partitons and actual drives better
[20:10] <phillw> mmaksimov: have you checked the iso download and the cd you have made?
[20:10] <mmaksimov> phillw: yes
[20:10] <phillw> it may be a graphics problem, what version of lubuntu are you using?
[20:10] <mmaksimov> phillw: adding another 128Mb of memory fixed the issue
[20:11] <mmaksimov> maverick beta1
[20:12] <phillw> maverick is still out in the wild, it has not been fully tamed yet, there is a beta2 also out in the wild via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Maverick/Beta/2
[20:13] <phillw> I have not posted it up as I do not have the full testing system yet for it.
[20:13] <mmaksimov> just read the beta2 announcement on the list and started downloading
[20:14] <phillw> mmaksimov: when you get the iso, can you let me know the exact file size of it. I'm currently on a 3G dongle, so am limited on data usage.
[20:16] <mmaksimov> Chromium says it's 544 MB, not sure are those 1000's or 1024's
[20:17] <phillw> you'd need to drop into lxterminal and give me the exact size
[20:17] <phillw> is okay, I'll go nag one of the team :-)
[20:17] <mmaksimov> Did "install" menu item work on Lucid CD?
[20:18] <mmaksimov> I will run an ls on it, however it says 34 minutes left :(
[20:19] <phillw> as far as i recall, it did. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Maverick/Beta/2 has known bugs list for the beta2.
[20:19] <mmaksimov> according to the maillist, install does not work :)
[20:20] <mmaksimov> I'm thinking that the 160 Mb limit is for the "pure" install, without the little extra added by the LiveCD session
[20:21] <mmaksimov> huh, does wget show the full size?
[20:22] <mmaksimov> 570329088 octets ;)
[20:22] <mmaksimov> enjoy ;)
[20:22] <phillw> I suggested that 160Mb is the minimum, purely by people reporting back that they have had problems,
[20:24] <phillw> Personally, I'd say a lower limit, maybe 128-140 is a better lower limit; it just works so much faster.
[20:26] <Tir_Eoghan> I'm currently running the livecd on 192mb's ram (and 400mhz processor) with no issues. Well, aside from my personal issues with chromium, but we won't get into that here.
[20:27] <mmaksimov> it's not about running the livecd session, it is about installing from within it
[20:27] <bioterror> my memory usage is 340/1497 and 2MB of swap, running chromium with 3 tabs
[20:27] <Tir_Eoghan> ah, haven't tried that. Checked my livecd and it said it had errors so I decided not to try the install
[20:28] <mmaksimov> bioterror, did you try opening those tabs in other browsers?
[20:28] <bioterror> I have only chromium ;)
[20:29] <mmaksimov> Tir_Eoghan, did you check it via CD's menu option, or via "dd something | md5sum"?
[20:29] <Tir_Eoghan> mmaksimov: through the cd's menu option
[20:30] <mmaksimov> I believe it is known to be broken
[20:30] <bioterror> even the OLPC has 256MBof ram ;)
[20:30] <Tir_Eoghan> I dream of haveing a sweet rig the the OLPC!
[20:30] <mmaksimov> OLPC?
[20:31] <Tir_Eoghan> those third world kids have all the sweet toys
[20:31] <bioterror> mmaksimov, one laptop per child
[20:31] <bioterror> makes me kinda wonder how people still uses computers less than 512MB of RAM
[20:32] <mmaksimov> I'm currently building one
[20:32] <mmaksimov> 256 Mb should be enough for an "intelligent typewriter" usage pattern
[20:33] <Tir_Eoghan> I currently can't see a reason why I'd need more then 192mb's of ram. 512mb's is just blatant overkill
[20:33] <bioterror> I can easily, RAM is alot faster than SWAP
[20:34] <mmaksimov> what makes you running into swap?
[20:34] <Tir_Eoghan> this puter runs plenty fast, on the lubuntu livecd. It's chromium that slows it down
[20:36] <bioterror> you could run links2 with -g switch ;)
[20:37] <mmaksimov> well, it all kinda depends on workload.... I joined Lubuntu team since I needed more free memory on a 4 GiB machine
[20:37] <mmaksimov> bioterror, what's links2? it is not part of the default lubuntu install :)
[20:37] <bioterror> http://links.twibright.com/features.php
[20:39] <bioterror> awww
[20:39] <mmaksimov> huh, didn't know it does have graphic mode
[20:39] <bioterror> phil got the host!
[20:40] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: mmaksimov my 1st computer had 64K of RAM, it was flawless and worked sweet, in fact there are areas you can still find details out of them https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw#About%20Me
[20:43] <Tir_Eoghan> I will have to get a video editing rig one of these days (dual core, maybe quad core, 8gigs of ram) but for normal usage this computer is all I need.
[20:44] <mmaksimov> phillw, I didn't actually own one, but had some experience with a system with 32K (including the 16K video memory).... Those good old days...
[20:44] <bioterror> good ol' days were when we used C64's :)
[20:45] <phillw> mmaksimov: heck, they worked :-D  the atari was a nice system, they even released all the code as open source (and that was well over 25 years ago)
[20:48] <bioterror> sgh, you got the XP working?
[20:49] <sgh> no I haven't :/
[20:49] <sgh> I've followed both methods phillw linked me to
[20:50] <sgh> but the result was the same: Linux and memtest are shown
[20:50] <phillw> sgh: restore the xp MBR and get xp running 1st.
[20:51] <sgh> okay I'll try to do that
[20:51] <IdleOne> Congrats to phillw! The newest Ubuntu Member \o/
[21:55] <phillw> hiyas hyperair, I finally got around to getting the mask
[21:55] <hyperair> mask?
[21:56] <hyperair> phillw: what mask?
[21:56] <phillw> the @ubuntu/member bit when you log on :-)
[21:57] <phillw> and the email account, just been a bit busy of late.
[21:58] <hyperair> aah
[21:58] <hyperair> i see =)
[21:58] <hyperair> nice.
[21:59] <phillw> hyperair: TBH, I'm happy being "me", but it was "suggested" that I use it. And as you know, when things are suggested, I do as I am told ;-)
[22:00] <hyperair> heh okay =)
[22:00] <hyperair> well your "me" has just expanded to include "ubuntu member", that's all =)
[22:01] <phillw> hyperair: does that mask affect my OP stuff?
[22:01] <hyperair> no it doesn't, afaik
[22:01] <hyperair> try /msg chanserv op #lubuntu
[22:01] <hyperair> yeah that's the command
[22:01] <hyperair> try it?
[22:02] <phillw> that seems to work :-D
[22:02] <hyperair> =)
[22:03] <phillw> hyperair: have you seen pcman about, IDK if I keep missing him because of time differences
[22:03] <Timo_> sgh1: do you need a tutorial for geting grub to work?
[22:04] <hyperair> phillw: no, not really
[22:04] <Timo_> sgh1: I've got one which perfectly works :D
[22:05] <phillw> I'm trying to get a factoid for pcmanfm together, but the information is fairly scaterred :-(
[22:05] <sgh1> Timo_: yeah it would be helpful :)
[22:06] <Timo_> mm it's not openly available
[22:06] <phillw> sgh1: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5
[22:06] <Timo_> It's a tutorial from Linux Format magazine
[22:06] <Timo_> So I should either be an illegal junk and uplaod it on my server and get it to you
[22:06] <Timo_> or I could be brave and not get it to you :p
[22:06] <phillw> ^^ above link ^^ points to all the ubuntu grub2 things
[22:07] <Timo_> I can give you the steps you need to do sgh1, it's not that hard
[22:07] <Timo_> it's very easy actually ;D
[22:07] <phillw> as drs305 writes it all for grub2, you can rest assured the information is 100% correct.
[22:07]  * hyperair wonders why pcmanfm would need a factoid
[22:07] <hyperair> is it that hard to use?
[22:08] <phillw> hyperair: No, it just for adding a factoid like
[22:08] <phillw> !lxterminal | hyperair
[22:08] <hyperair> ?
[22:08] <hyperair> ah
[22:08] <phillw> to assist on the channel
[22:08] <hyperair> i see.
[22:08] <hyperair> !pcmanfm
[22:08] <hyperair> well then off i go to sleep
[22:09] <hyperair> good night!
[22:09] <hyperair> or morning, or whatever it is over there
[22:09] <phillw> I've only just got the lxterminal one working (with a lot of help)
[22:09] <phillw> hyperair:  have a good sleep
[22:09] <hyperair> phillw: i will, i think. it's raining and the weather's awesome for sleeping =)
[22:09] <Timo_> good night hyperair
[22:10] <sgh> regarding grub: I guess and know that it is really easy but it doesn't work for me in Lubuntu 10.10 Beta 2. I've already reinstalled it successfully in another distro months ago (but I can't remember which distro, guess it was Mint)
[22:10] <sgh> good night hyperair
[22:12] <sgh> regarding grub: the next thing I'm gonna do is to reinstall grub from a Xubuntu 10.10 Release Candidate because it worked flawlessly when I tried it out there yesterday
[22:15] <phillw> sgh: if things have got really, really confused, then you may want to have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35 it's one of the most read threads on my area and has details of how to make it better.
[22:15] <Timo_> hey guys I'm going off! Cu later!
[22:17] <sgh1> okay I'll have a look on it phill
[22:17] <phillw> sgh1 it's never broken anyones system yet.
[22:18] <phillw> that forum area is where I store quick links to the documentation areas, which are scattered accross ubuntu / lubuntu / community help etc.
[22:19] <phillw> have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=57 if you are in adoubt.
[22:19] <phillw> *are in any doubt*
[22:31] <sgh1> phillw: I've saved all the links you've given me so far (also the older ones with method 13 etc.) and I'll try to get it working now in a live session
[22:31] <sgh1> see you later