[00:09] <donvito2> any music player like winamp
[00:09] <donvito2> ?
[00:09] <bazhang> audacious donvito2
[00:10] <donvito2> hm
[00:10] <donvito2> i think it was more good another one
[00:10] <lordcrc> donvito2: if you find one, let me know :)
[00:11] <Oli``> Anyone know where gmplayer went?
[00:12] <Oli``> used to be in a package called mplayer-gui
[00:13] <donvito2> any player that plays subtitle like bs player?
[00:18] <yofel> Oli``: the last changelog says: " gmplayer is gone now, please see smplayer as alternative frontend."
[00:18] <Oli``> yofel: changelog from upstream?
[00:19] <yofel> no, ubuntu mplayer changelog
[00:20] <yofel> done by Reinhard Tartler <siretart@tauware.de>, he's siretart in #ubuntu-devel if you want to ask him
[00:20] <Oli``> yofel: thanks for your help
[00:20] <yofel> np
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> Qt advocation! :D
[00:21] <yofel> hehe :D
[00:25] <r00s> how come there are no i386 .img files for maverick netbook?
[00:28] <bjsnider> Oli``, gmplayer hasn't been developed in years and deserved to be killed
[00:29] <bjsnider> gnome-mplayer and smplayer are much better
[00:31] <Oli``> bjsnider: depends on your viewpoint. gmplayer just worked for me for years, developed or not. gnome-mplayer and smplayer are both different styles of applications that suit different people. Neither suit me (I've tried, honest). Seems counter-productive to kick out things that haven't received an update if they still work just fine.
[00:32] <Oli``> Perhaps I'm a one off. Perhaps I'm the only person that cares about gmplayer or even the only person gmplayer "just works" for.
[00:33] <kklimonda> wow, I've been playing minecraft and it managed to bring my system to its knees
[00:34] <bjsnider> Oli``, correct. you're the only one
[00:36] <donvito2> how to install apache on maverick
[00:36] <donvito2> ?
[00:37] <cjae> ok so there is an sta driver for broadcom? is the new one included in 10.10?
[00:37] <cjae> http://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/3239262/broadcom-releases-open-source-wireless-driver-for-linux/
[00:38] <cjae> or does the sta use like ndiswrapper or something like that?
[00:44] <donvito2> how can i configure port of openssh-server
[00:44] <donvito2> ?
[00:45] <jpds> donvito2: /etc/ssh/sshd_config ; "Port" option.
[00:45] <donvito2> than how to restart?
[00:48] <yofel> sudo servide ssh restart
[00:48] <yofel> err.. sudo service ssh restart
[00:49] <lordcrc> donvito2: have you tried audacious 2.4?
[00:50] <donvito2> yes
[00:50] <donvito2> i installed audaci
[00:51] <Ken8521> i prefer audacious over all the other music players
[00:51] <Ken8521> but i hate the icon, so that has to get changed..lol
[00:51] <donvito2> hehe
[00:51] <donvito2> what icon u use
[00:52] <Ken8521> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Audacious_bw.png
[00:54] <lordcrc> audacious looks very nice so far
[00:54] <lordcrc> proper playback, not too much fuzz
[00:56] <Ken8521> i like audacious.
[00:56] <Ken8521> one thing i like about it, is the interface is way way smaller than totem or rythmbox.
[00:57] <Ken8521> the "compact" view, looks much like the old winamp(matter of fact, many winamp skins will work w/ Audacious)
[00:57] <lordcrc> yeah
[00:57] <lordcrc> the file system is perfectly able to do all i want when it comes to organizing my music
[00:58] <lordcrc> i dont need another clumsy layer on top
[00:58] <lordcrc> could do with some better shell integration but that might perhaps be easy enough to fix
[00:58] <lordcrc> like play/enqueue when righ clicking on files and folders
[01:00] <Ken8521> man, i've upgraded 3x today..lol
[01:04] <lordcrc> Ken8521: for tripple the fun_
[01:04] <lordcrc> ?
[01:05] <Ken8521> lol
[01:05] <Ken8521> no.
[01:05] <Ken8521> anybody know some 1-800 #'s i can call and torment w/ skype?
[01:05] <Ken8521> i thouht about a suicide hotline, but figured that was a bit serious.
[01:08] <avi_> Anyone using 10.10.10 with an ATI card? If so, has plymouth's resoultion been improved?
[01:12] <lordcrc> donvito2: in case you want enqueuing http://www.grumz.net/?q=node/204
[01:15] <Ken8521> avi_, 10.10.10... you're using a distro nobody's heard of... ;)
[01:15] <avi_> :)
[01:15] <donvito2> what is that lordcrc
[01:16] <lordcrc> donvito2: adds "enqueue" entry in context menu for music files, works with audacious
[01:24] <zanus> any reason why Ubuntu Software Center would tell me it can't do any installation because of whatever protocol, all the while I can still use apt-get in terminal
[01:24] <Ken8521> http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/laptopmaverick.jpg
[01:24] <Ken8521> what do i need to do to make that look better?
[01:24] <Ken8521> i'm fairly happy w/ it now.
[01:25] <zanus> mooar blue
[01:25] <Ken8521> more blue?
[01:25] <zanus> lol
[01:26] <zanus> add some tits and vulgarity and such... that'll do it
[01:26] <avi_> Add anti-Apple wallpaper :)
[01:26] <Ken8521> lol
[01:27] <Ken8521> avi_, anti-apple?
[01:27] <Ken8521> never saw that one
[01:27] <avi_> there's lots.
[01:27] <Ken8521> i actually really like that wallpaper.
[01:27] <avi_> my favorites:
[01:27] <avi_> http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=think+correctly&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1026&bih=966
[01:27] <Ken8521> dunno why
[01:27] <avi_> I like dark wallpapers and minimalistic wallpapers.. so :)
[01:27] <avi_> whatever floats your boat.
[01:27] <Ken8521> i prefe "medium".. not to dark, not to bright
[01:28] <yofel> Ken8521: that does look pretty nice :)
[01:28] <Ken8521> here hold on a sec, lemme vnc into my sisters machine(she's 14).. and show you a screenshot.. it's enough to kill your eyes.
[01:28] <zanus> put some badgers on it
[01:29] <zanus> i don't want to kill my eyes
[01:30] <zanus> they've seen quite enough... I'm surprised they've not killed ME already
[01:30] <Kurdistan> anybody can help me with usb?
[01:30] <lordcrc> Kurdistan: ask and find out :)
[01:30] <zanus> plug it and play it
[01:30] <Kurdistan> I have problem with bootable usb
[01:31] <Kurdistan> I know it works under lucid
[01:31] <Kurdistan> I tried install maverick from lucid
[01:31] <Kurdistan> first I wanted to take a look and :) told my self that I wanted to install the rc
[01:32] <Kurdistan> know I can not install any other iso
[01:32] <Kurdistan> on usb
[01:32] <Kurdistan> tried different no luck
[01:32] <Kurdistan> both with unetbootin and usb-creator
[01:32] <PhotoJim> USB optical drives are cheap.  why not get one and save your sanity?
[01:32] <Kurdistan> photojim the problem is not the usb
[01:32] <Kurdistan> the problem is a bug on maverick
[01:33] <PhotoJim> then you have to give up some of your sanity I guess :)
[01:33] <Kurdistan> it worked great to burn maverick on the usb from lucid installation
[01:33] <PhotoJim> booting off CD works super easily.
[01:33] <zanus> why not just upgrade.. one dist at a time
[01:33] <Kurdistan> guys you want to help or not?
[01:33] <zanus> or was lucid the last one... I'm kinda behind the times
[01:34] <Kurdistan> like I said I had no problem with lucid. I should not make switch to maverick rc.
[01:34] <Kurdistan> should wait for the stable
[01:34] <coz_> zanus,  lucid was the last release.. is that what you meant?
[01:34] <yofel> Ken8521: here's mine, not everyone's taste I guess :P http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/screenshot.png
[01:34] <zanus> ya coz
[01:34] <PhotoJim> I can't help.  I have an external optical drive so I never try to finagle a USB stick to be bootable.
[01:35] <Kurdistan> coz_ I had lucid installed and now have maverick rc installed instead
[01:35] <Nextop> Kurdistan: i believe what zanus suguested was to upgrade from lucid to maverick
[01:35] <Ken8521> yofel, here's my sisters.. i don't know how she uses it... she's 14.. but she must be color blind, thats the only thing i can figure.. running 10.04
[01:35] <Ken8521> http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/rebecca.jpg
[01:35] <yofel> o.O
[01:36] <coz_> yikes  that is some wallpaper :)
[01:36] <IdleOne> lol that is ugly
[01:36] <Ken8521> yofel, thats actually not bad, considering most kde screenshots repulse me
[01:36] <Ken8521> IdleOne, i know..lol
[01:36] <Kurdistan> it must be a bug
[01:36] <IdleOne> as long as she is happy with it I suppose
[01:36] <Ken8521> no kidding
[01:36] <coz_> :)
[01:36] <Ken8521> thank God for user accounts(or at least i'm sure my parents think so..lol)
[01:36] <yofel> Ken8521: propose fluffy to her XD http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/
[01:36] <coz_> ok there has to be a law against this lol
[01:37] <Nextop> yofel: I believe your desktop is the best i've seen in ages :p
[01:37] <zanus> holy fuckin jesus
[01:37] <Ken8521> zanus, ?
[01:37] <IdleOne> zanus: Please keep the language family friendly
[01:38] <zanus> your sisters .... stuff
[01:38] <Ken8521> yofel, lol, she's not exactly the type to listen to.. well, anyone..
[01:38] <Ken8521> zanus, yeah, it's bad.. lol
[01:38] <IdleOne> Ken8521: as long as she is using Linux, it's all good :)
[01:38] <Ken8521> IdleOne, well, i forced her into it.
[01:38] <Ken8521> her computer wouldn't boot for about 3 weeks due to a rootkit, because i told her linux or else
[01:38] <Kurdistan> I will try out removing ui
[01:39] <Ken8521> she finally gave in
[01:39] <Ken8521> not a single virus in almost 2yrs now..lol
[01:39] <lordcrc> so youtube in firefox... must i use the adobe flash player or?
[01:39] <IdleOne> lordcrc: www.youtube.com/html5
[01:40] <lordcrc> IdleOne: hmm that'd require ff4... guess i could install that :)
[01:40] <IdleOne> hmm it shouldn't
[01:40] <coz_> lordcrc,  well only if you intend to wathc html5 videos
[01:40] <coz_> watch rather
[01:41] <lordcrc> yeah thats another thing, not all vids are supported no?
[01:41] <yofel> IdleOne: it does says Firefox 4 on the list for firefox
[01:41] <Ken8521> is anyone successfully using Moonlight?
[01:41] <IdleOne> yofel: yeah just saw that
[01:41] <Ken8521> i used it on my laptop earlier(which admittedly is old and not exactly efficient) and it maxed my CPU to 100% for quite a while, so i shut it down.
[01:41] <lordcrc> i love ff4 in windows tho
[01:44] <zanus> never knew this place was family friendly
[01:44] <Ken8521> zanus, yeah, all ubuntu channels are
[01:44] <zanus> well I'll be......derned
[01:45] <zanus> f* a g* n da a
[01:46] <Ken8521> ?
[01:46] <zanus> nothing... it's just a complete acronym for complete vulgarity
[01:46] <Ken8521> lol
[01:46] <zanus> no harm in that I hope
[01:47] <Ken8521> well, i know in some channels, thinks like lmao, wtf, etc.. aren't acceptable
[01:47] <Ken8521> !wtf
[01:47] <Ken8521> yeah.. thats what i thought
[01:47] <coz_> hey guys... I was wondering if a few things have been    fixed in maverick that were in lucid.... wallpaper options =  fade, stretch.span etc...also multiple partitioned external drives...in lucid  when the icons for those drives appear on the desktop...highlight them all...there is no remove safely or unmount...
[01:47] <coz_> wallpaper options spedifically on dual monitors rather
[01:48] <Ken8521> coz_, i actually found the wallpaper etup on Lucid, for dual screens.. to be awesome
[01:48] <Ken8521> way better than previous versions
[01:48] <Ken8521> it works fine on my desktop.(dual screens) but i was happy w/ it in Lucid.. so i'm not sure about your issues.
[01:48] <coz_> Ken8521,  oh no  no guy... span only works if the wallpaper is at the resolution of both monitors ...it will not  actually span any wallpaper across the monitors it simpley duplicates it
[01:49] <Ken8521> i can't tell you about the multiple partition thing..
[01:49] <Ken8521> coz_, h ok.. didn't realize that was your issue, i actually like that
[01:49] <coz_> Ken8521,  oh  ok :)
[01:50] <Ken8521> you can always resize your wallpaper to 2500x something...  :)
[01:50] <coz_> Ken8521,  that part i find pretty irritating... it forces editing an image in gimp to fit the resolution of the monitors...
[01:50] <mark2010> questions for 10.10 ok here?
[01:50] <Ken8521> coz_, yea..
[01:50] <coz_> mark2010,   this is the place for it
[01:50] <Ken8521> mark2010, no.. you need ubuntu+2
[01:50] <coz_> ?
[01:51] <andril> hello all
[01:51] <andril> any major issues with 10.10?
[01:51] <Ken8521> andril, well, it is still beta/RC... but i've had no issues w/ it
[01:52] <coz_> andril,  I have it installed on one system... and it seems fine at this point...but as Ken8521  mentioned  it is not released yt
[01:52] <coz_> yet
[01:52] <Ken8521> that said... it isn't final release yet, so there's still plenty of bugs, etc.
[01:52] <andril> Ken8521, thanks looking forward to the upgrade from 10.04.1
[01:52] <lordcrc> andril: for me theres been some minor things... stuff keeps crashing but nothing thats kept me being productive
[01:52] <Ken8521> andril, now.. today.. i've heard a lot of people complaining about issues upgrading 10.04-10.10
[01:52] <mark2010> 10.04 LTS + win xp dual boot. after upgrade to 10.10 i get full white screen?
[01:52] <Ken8521> so make sure you're completely backed up
[01:53] <Ken8521> man.. if that wasn't prophetic.. :)
[01:53] <Ken8521> mark2010, using ATI?
[01:53] <andril> coz, thanks I love Ubuntu and hope they keep it in the same good course
[01:53] <coz_> andril,  I updraded edubuntu from 10.04 to 10.10  with no issues however the clean install of maverick did not go so well
[01:54] <Ken8521> coz_, lol, how can a clean install not go well?
[01:54] <mark2010> Ken8521 sorry ATI?
[01:54] <coz_> Ken8521,  good question :)
[01:54] <Ken8521> mark2010, ati-graphics
[01:54] <coz_> Ken8521,  I dont have an answer for that one :)
[01:54] <andril> coz, well I always worry about repos and ppa's during upgrade - i have my laptop to test fresh installs
[01:54] <mark2010> yes
[01:54] <Ken8521> thats likely your problem
[01:54] <coz_> andril,  cool
[01:54] <Ken8521> i can't remember what the issue though
[01:55] <mark2010> fine in 10.04
[01:55] <Ken8521> mark2010, google "ubuntu white screen of death".. i think you'll need to disable the ati driver in safe mode, to get the machine to boot
[01:55] <Ken8521> mark2010, well, how it acted in 10.04.. is pretty much irrelevant
[01:56] <mark2010> ok, I'll check that. Thank you.
[01:56] <andril> coz_, i use Ubuntu as my mainstream OS on my desktops
[01:57] <coz_> andril,  same here... :)
[01:58] <coz_> andril,  I also enjoy testing the one in developement if for no other reason ...it gives me something to complain about :)
[02:00] <coz_> that was a joke guys ^^  :)
[02:01] <coz_> andril,  do you also use compiz on any of those desktops?
[02:02] <andril> coz_, oh yeah - trying to get Conky under hand
[02:02] <coz_> andril,   mm that application I have never really played with much .... apparenlty many use it :)  I will have to give it a go at some point
[02:04] <andril> coz_, not missing much just makes the desktop look more futuristic and geeky
[02:08] <coz_> andril,   I think I am too much of a "clean desktop" kind of guy :)
[02:08] <mark2010> Ken8521 looked at the page, wrote down the command, i am using the 10.04 live cd  right now and can see my partitions, unsure how to safe mode boot?
[02:09] <Ken8521> "recovery mode" i believe is what they mean..choose recovery from the grub menu
[02:09] <andril> coz_, do you used gnome or kde
[02:09] <coz_> andril,   gnome and  a few kde applications
[02:09] <mark2010> cant see it, just white screen
[02:10] <mark2010> no GRUB menu just white
[02:10] <coz_> andril,   I was using edubuntu but was having issues with a few libraries always erroring when compiling  compiz 0.9
[02:10] <coz_> andril,   so I went back to ubuntu and just installed the kde libs etc that I needed
[02:10] <Ken8521> mark2010, hit F2 right after the bios screen comes up... that should get your grub menu, and choose rescue mode(or whatever its called)
[02:11] <andril> coz_, I am sticking with gnome because it's becoming so customizable and it's stable
[02:11] <mark2010> ok, even with live cd in? or not.
[02:11] <Ken8521> mark2010, no live CD.. you need to boot yoru install
[02:11] <Ken8521> but recovery mode on your install.
[02:12] <Ken8521> andril, well, forget how customizable Gnome is(i'd argue KDE is probably more customizable).. KDE is gawd awful ugly
[02:12] <mark2010> ok Thank You. I'll try.
[02:12] <coz_> andril,  yes I agree ... I have been a gnome follower for some time...although I do like a few kde applications onboard ..especially kpat and kreversi... just games  but  okular for pdf  certainly
[02:12] <coz_> andril,   this is my current desktop   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/dekstop.png
[02:13] <Ken8521> not bad, i'm not a huge fan of cairo, but looks good
[02:13] <andril> coz_, where did you get that nvidia icon
[02:14] <coz_> andril,  the one in the panel?  that is a little application called   nvdock
[02:14] <coz_> andril,  you have to manually place the files onto the system but let me find the download  ...it has mouse over  gpu temp  and right click options
[02:15] <coz_> andril,   I cant find the link off hand but you can download it    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/compiz%2B%2B/nvdock-bin-1.02.tar.bz2
[02:16] <andril> coz_, way over my head i stick to debs
[02:16] <coz_> andril,  once you manually place those files  just run   nvdock   and place it in start up apps
[02:17] <andril> coz_, i got some screen shots trying to find them - ok
[02:17] <coz_> I suppose this could be made into a deb package  although I cannot find the source for it
[02:19] <coz_> andril,  although if you install nvclock_gtk  you can get the same infor as nvdock has
[02:19] <coz_> info rather
[02:20] <andril> coz_, thanks
[02:23] <andril> coz_, it's weird that i have seen your name on here many times before - you have been around here for a while
[02:23] <coz_> andril,  on t his particular channel or irc in general ?
[02:23] <coz_> andril,  I have been around since ubuntu first came out
[02:23] <coz_> before that on  BeOs irc channels :)
[02:25] <coz_> andril,   here is another screenshot made with wallpaper plugin in compiz and  cube maps....   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/cubemap.png   sorry guys...not trying to turn this into   "lookie what I did "  channel
[02:25] <Ken8521> that's cool coz_ .. out of my league though
[02:26] <coz_> Ken8521,  thanks... "out of your league" ?
[02:26] <Ken8521> not really smart enough to do stuff like that
[02:26] <Ken8521> not to mention, it would give me a headache looking at that
[02:26] <Ken8521> i don't do desktop effects
[02:27] <coz_> Ken8521, oh ok :)
[02:27] <dugger5688_> Has anyone gotten the VNC viewer on Maverick to work?
[02:27] <coz_> Ken8521,  yeah I dont use that desktop except for screenshots...it would definitly give me a headache as well :)
[02:27] <andril> coz_, awesome - how do i make a link
[02:27] <Ken8521> dugger5688, yeah, i have.
[02:27] <Ken8521> i can vnc into my desktop no prob.
[02:27] <coz_> andril,   a link?
[02:28] <andril> coz_, to my screenshot in dropbox
[02:28] <dugger5688_> You're using maverick? What are you using as a server on the other end?
[02:28] <coz_> andril,  if you have dropbox already installed  ....place the image in a folder  ...let it upload  then right click the image  Dropbox   copy public link
[02:29] <coz_> andril, place the image in the "Public"  folder
[02:31] <andril> coz_, ahhh thank you master here we go http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6920525/100110.png
[02:31] <coz_> andril,  nice :)
[02:31] <coz_> andril,   is that cairo dock    awn or docky?
[02:32] <andril> coz_, Docky - again stable but i use AWN for side folders
[02:32] <coz_> andril,  ok cool... have you tried cairo dock?
[02:33] <dugger5688_> Ken8521: What client/server are you using for vnc?
[02:33] <andril> coz_, yeah did not like the themes - Docky is cut and simple
[02:33] <coz_> andril,   ouch  :)  many of the cairo themes are mine
[02:33] <Ken8521> dugger5688, tightvnc
[02:34] <andril> coz_, yeah you were here when Ubuntu  spawned I always saw your name there
[02:34] <andril> coz_, no disrespect all my friends like the Cairo dock but I am minimalistic
[02:35] <andril> coz_, you are a Ubuntu legend of sorts
[02:35] <coz_> andril,  no offense taken :)  but minimal is easy in cairo dock and  sorry guys...didnt mean to get way offtopic
[02:35] <coz_> andril,   I doubt a legend  believe me ... I am a complainer at best
[02:35] <andril> coz_, sorry too
[02:36] <donvito2> how can i make icons like in picture down
[02:36] <donvito2> http://www.jirp.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/screenshot.png
[02:37] <coz_> donvito2,  on the dock?
[02:37] <donvito2> down there
[02:37] <donvito2> like in picture
[02:37] <Ken8521> i think thats Avant window manager
[02:37] <donvito2> some says donky
[02:37] <donvito2> its called docky
[02:37] <Ken8521> donky..lol
[02:37] <donvito2> docky
[02:37] <coz_> donvito2,  to make icons clear regardless of their size  you want to use inkscape
[02:38] <dto> anyone else notice Pidgin sounds having a click or noise at the beginning?
[02:38] <Ken8521> coz_, what does inkskape do?
[02:38] <coz_> dto,   I cant help there... i rarely use pidgin
[02:38] <coz_> Ken8521,  inkscape is a vector illustraton application
[02:38] <Ken8521> hmm
[02:39] <Ken8521> hmm, never heard of it
[02:39] <coz_> Ken8521,  it is in the repositories
[02:39] <Ken8521> yah, installing now
[02:39] <Ken8521> lol
[02:39] <Ken8521> you gotta love linux
[02:39] <coz_> Ken8521,  ooo guy well...there are several graphics apps that any artist on linux should have   gimp...inkscape,,, mypain...agave...and pencil
[02:39] <coz_> mypaint   rather
[02:39] <Ken8521> yeah, i use Gimp most of the time
[02:40] <Ken8521> im not really much of an artist, but i do like making icons sometimes
[02:40] <dugger5688_> What wallpaper was that?
[02:40] <coz_> Ken8521,  then inkscape is the application for that  ...you can even export it as a png  image if you want or need
[02:40] <Ken8521> hmm
[02:41] <Ken8521> yeah, i like png's
[02:41] <coz_> Ken8521,  png is faster to render but  svg is always clear at any size  ...png images will pixelate if enlarged to much
[02:41] <Ken8521> ya
[02:42] <Ken8521> brb
[02:42] <Ken8521> dugger5688, that donvito2 posted? i don't even think he knows
[02:43] <coz_> donvito2,  what icon do you want to make?
[02:43] <coz_> donvito2,  you can go to #inkscape if you want to learn more about it
[02:48] <mark2010> join/ #ubuntu+2
[02:48] <mark2010> join ubuntu2
[02:48] <lilpod> put that slash before join
[02:49] <lilpod> like in the first one you said
[02:49] <mark2010> thanks
[02:51] <coz_> lilpod,  isnt ubuntu+2 invite only?
[02:52] <mark2010> had talked to Ken8521. white screen. Safe mode. couldn't get it.
[02:53] <mark2010> live cd now
[02:53] <yofel> coz_: it is
[02:54] <coz_> yofel,  and that will remain that way for a week or so after maverick release ...yes?
[02:54] <mark2010> upgrade 10.10 with 10.04 + win xp duel boot white screen
[02:54] <lilpod> I was just telling mark2010 about the correct command to join I have never even been to #ubuntu+2
[02:55] <yofel> coz_: acutally I don't know, never found +2 to be not-invite
[02:55] <yofel> this channel will be invite only until natty toolchain opens
[02:55] <mark2010> join/ #ubuntu+2
[02:55] <coz_> yofel,  ah understood     yes  I was a bit confused
[02:56] <yofel> mark2010: it's '/join #ubuntu+2' but you can't join unless you get invited
[02:56] <mark2010> sorry i haven't been invited
[02:56] <mark2010> just trying to figure this out
[02:57] <Ken8521> mark2010, ubuntu+2 was actually a joke
[02:57] <Ken8521> did you not get it resolved?
[02:58] <mark2010> suppose like a left-handed smoke shifter?   LOL
[02:58] <Ken8521> sort of.. ;)
[02:58] <mark2010> no
[02:59] <Ken8521> unfortunately, i'm just not familiar enough w/ ATI to be much help
[02:59] <Ken8521> but it's almost definitely an ATI problem
[03:00] <mark2010> F2 of course was the bios menu. however passing that, i saw the menu fleeting and then white screen.
[03:00] <mark2010> i saw it but it didnt stop
[03:00] <mark2010> background was black
[03:01] <Ken8521> hmm
[03:02] <mark2010> have had this before with the full clean install
[03:03] <mark2010> thank you for your help anyhow
[03:03] <noah> is there a workaround for this issue?   dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/perl_5.10.1-12ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2
[03:04] <yofel> any other error message?
[03:04] <mark2010> must not like this card...inspiron 9100 w/ radeon on board vid
[03:05] <yofel> noah: if not, try to delete the file and let apt download it again
[03:05] <mark2010> the good thing is i can still see both partitions
[03:05] <Ken8521> mark2010, the card is likely fine... it's likely the upgrade broke the driver.
[03:07] <mark2010> thinkin that, but how to go back...just install over the U 10.04 partition?
[03:07] <Ken8521> mark2010, if you're gnna do that, just clean install 10.10
[03:08] <mark2010> like to have the @^**(#@% win xp on there also for stuff.
[03:08] <noah> yofel, thank you! i should have thought of that
[03:08] <noah> seems to be working
[03:08] <mark2010> i tried clean 10.10 with same result
[03:08]  * yofel wishes apt would be intelligent enough to try that itself -.-
[03:09] <noah> good idea
[03:09] <mark2010> it dont like my system i guess
[03:09] <mark2010> no win no nothing
[03:10] <bjsnider> yofel, perhaps it doesn't know for sure that the problem is a corrupted download
[03:10] <bjsnider> anyway users should do an apt-get autoclean from time to time
[03:10] <mark2010> downloaded new files with same result
[03:10] <BUGabundo> guys a little hand here
[03:10] <BUGabundo> I need to fix my video playback
[03:10] <Ken8521> mark2010, you tried to clean install 10.10, w/ the same result?
[03:10] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, are you still awake?
[03:10] <BUGabundo> this is impossible to watch anything
[03:11] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I am
[03:11] <BUGabundo> only 3am
[03:11] <BUGabundo> and ill be up at 8am
[03:11] <BUGabundo> for a technical meeting
[03:11] <BUGabundo> more of LUG, but ok
[03:12] <BUGabundo> but still my problem remains: I can't watch any video
[03:12] <BUGabundo> without it stalls
[03:13] <mark2010> yes full HDD format, wiped the drives clean install win xp, full 10.04 install and worked fine.
[03:13] <bjsnider> in which player?
[03:13] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: all
[03:13] <BUGabundo> totem, mplayer, vlc
[03:13] <coz_> ooo
[03:13] <BUGabundo> vlc has even more porbs with audio
[03:13] <bjsnider> what kind of video?
[03:13] <BUGabundo> pausing , and fastfw makes it works
[03:13] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: mostly xvid
[03:14] <bjsnider> alright try mplayer -vo xv movie.avi
[03:14] <mark2010> has worked...i was ok with duel boot with 10.04... then i tried 10.10 and it broke again
[03:14] <mark2010> 10.10 did not work
[03:15] <BUGabundo> VIDEO:  [WMV3]  960x540  24bpp  1000.000 fps  3129.7 kbps (382.0 kbyte/s)
[03:15] <mark2010> single install
[03:15] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, your system may not be able to handle that without vdpau
[03:16] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: never had any probs for 2 years
[03:16] <mark2010> single install of 10.10
[03:16] <BUGabundo> Requested video codec family [wmv9dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. Enable it at compilation.
[03:16] <BUGabundo> Requested video codec family [wmvdmo] (vfm=dmo) not available. Enable it at compilation.
[03:16] <bjsnider> uh, try an xvid file
[03:16] <BUGabundo> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:16] <BUGabundo> ehe
[03:18] <lordcrc> yay
[03:18] <coz_> BUGabundo,  out of curiosity...does the same thing occur with any of the video formats?
[03:18] <lordcrc> ubuntu is now randomly shifting keyboard layouts
[03:18] <coz_> o0
[03:19] <lordcrc> good stuff
[03:19] <lordcrc> ah stopped now, weird
[03:19] <lordcrc> heh
[03:19] <BUGabundo> coz_: seems to be happening over the last two weeks with prety much anything I trow at it
[03:19] <BUGabundo> but I have a few VOBs around
[03:19] <BUGabundo> let me try those
[03:19] <coz_> BUGabundo,   are you using mplayer gui ?
[03:19] <BUGabundo> cli
[03:19] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, have you still got ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[03:19] <coz_> BUGabundo,  ah ok
[03:20] <BUGabundo> ubuntu-restricted-extras:
[03:20] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 42
[03:20] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 42
[03:20] <coz_> mmm
[03:20] <BUGabundo> yep, VOBs also slow down
[03:20] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, if you try mplayer at the command line with a reasonable standard-def file it should provide specific complaints if it won't play right
[03:20] <BUGabundo> this is on an SSD
[03:21] <mark2010> Ken8521 Thanks for your help. i might just have to go back to 10.04
[03:21] <Ken8521> mark2010, good luck w/ it.. i wish i could've been more help
[03:21] <mark2010> ok g'nite
[03:23] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/504270/
[03:23] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what graphics chip is in that thing?
[03:23] <BUGabundo> Nvidia 8400mG
[03:23] <BUGabundo> running on open source driver with 3D
[03:25] <bjsnider> nouveau?
[03:25] <BUGabundo> yes
[03:25] <bjsnider> well, that's it for me
[03:25] <BUGabundo> ehhe
[03:25] <bjsnider> find someone who knows about that driver
[03:25] <coz_> BUGabundo,   why not the nvidia drver?
[03:26] <BUGabundo> Sarvat isn't here
[03:26] <BUGabundo> coz way slower boot
[03:26] <BUGabundo> nouveu is good enough for every day usage
[03:26] <coz_> BUGabundo,  but better performance  yes?
[03:26] <bjsnider> he's in the -x channel right now
[03:27] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you can't vdpau with nouveau
[03:27] <kklimonda> use*
[03:28] <BUGabundo> and do I even need it ?
[03:28] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: so you shouldn't use a vdpau backend for mplayer
[03:28] <BUGabundo> plus from what sarvatt told me in the past, my card doesn't support it either
[03:28] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: its stock settings
[03:29] <kklimonda> yes, every cycle I have to report that vdpau as defualt is a terrible setting
[03:29] <kklimonda> I've forgotten to do it this time :/
[03:29] <BUGabundo> so how can I tune mine ?
[03:29] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: edit ~/.mplayer/config add line vo=xv
[03:30] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i'd be very interested about what would happen to your video playback if you switched to the blob for a test session
[03:30] <coz_> ^^
[03:30] <BUGabundo> there goes my 20sec boot and pretty TTYs
[03:30] <BUGabundo> jokey good for it?
[03:30] <coz_> yes
[03:31] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, for a test session
[03:31] <BUGabundo> downloading
[03:31] <bjsnider> is what i said
[03:31] <coz_> it has one of the "ok"  drivers there
[03:32] <kklimonda> bjsnider: I'm getting quite a lot of errors related to vdpeau when I use it starting with "[vdpau] Error when calling vdp_output_surface_create: The system does not have enough resources to complete the requested operation at this time."
[03:33] <kklimonda> my quadro 140m is unable to support both vdpau and compiz at the same time
[03:33] <bjsnider> that error about resources is all about video ram
[03:34] <kklimonda> yes
[03:34] <BUGabundo> SystemError: installArchives() failed
[03:34] <bjsnider> can you add more from the system?
[03:34] <BUGabundo> YAY for jockey
[03:34] <kklimonda> no
[03:34] <bjsnider> how much is it, like 128?
[03:34] <kklimonda> I have 128MB on my card and it's, at least in theory, supposed to use RAM to compensate but I've never seen it doing that ;)
[03:34] <kklimonda> yeah
[03:35] <BUGabundo> so is this thing activated or not?
[03:35] <bjsnider> that's just a crap situation to be in, there's no way around it
[03:35] <kklimonda> bjsnider: that's why I don't think vdpau should be default in mplayer - it doesn't just fail to play movie - it can actually render whole X session unresonsible
[03:36] <nogo> jockey = apparmor?
[03:36] <coz_> BUGabundo,  if you mean the nvidia driver  I would reboot  to be sure
[03:36] <bjsnider> vdpau always works here, and i have a generation 4 chip, with feature set c, so it accelerates everything
[03:36] <BUGabundo> btb
[03:37] <kklimonda> bjsnider: funny thing is, even if I don't run any fancy WM (which makes it possible to run mplayer with vdpau output) I still get a higher cpu usage..
[03:37] <bjsnider> how high?
[03:38] <kklimonda> ~46% with vdpau, ~36% without default^W xv ;)
[03:39] <bjsnider> 46% is not using vdpau at all
[03:39] <bjsnider> it should be no more than 5%
[03:39] <bjsnider> what graphics core is that?
[03:39] <kklimonda> g84 or g86 - mobile
[03:40] <kklimonda> G84M
[03:42] <bjsnider> that's generation 2 feature set a
[03:42] <bjsnider> it should accelerate h264
[03:42] <nogo> is there any h264 chip?
[03:43] <bjsnider> kklimonda, you should make sure you're trying to play only supported video files. it will not accelerate everything
[03:43] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: still happening
[03:44] <BUGabundo> Section "Module"
[03:44] <BUGabundo>         Load    "glx"
[03:44] <BUGabundo>         Driver  "nvidia"
[03:44] <bjsnider> glxinfo|grep vendor
[03:45] <BUGabundo> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[03:45] <BUGabundo> client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[03:45] <BUGabundo> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[03:45] <bjsnider> and the video is still bad?
[03:45] <BUGabundo> yes
[03:45] <kklimonda> bjsnider: I've tested with sintel-2048-stereo.mp4 which is h264
[03:46] <kklimonda> bjsnider: but don't waste time on me - I'm happy with the xv/gl output
[03:46] <kklimonda> well, at least until it burns my gpu :/
[03:46] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, try mplayer with -vo gl2
[03:47] <bjsnider> wait a minute. change audio. -ao alsa
[03:47] <bjsnider> maybe pulse is to blame
[03:49] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: with gl2 seems to be better
[03:49] <BUGabundo> longer seek times
[03:49] <BUGabundo> but plays nicer
[03:50] <nogo> a igp with mesa is enough to play with h264
[03:50] <BUGabundo> and yes, audio at 22k could be jerking pulse, then CPU
[03:50] <nogo> BUGabundo: no
[03:50] <nogo> BUGabundo: you just need to fix the bugs of ubuntu
[03:50] <BUGabundo> $ mplayer -ao alsa -vo gl2 file
[03:50] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, there's a switch to turn off audio in mplayer, for testing
[03:50] <bjsnider> i think it's -noaudio, or -nosound
[03:50] <nogo> BUGabundo: pulse is good for sure
[03:52] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, it's -nosound
[03:53] <BUGabundo> -nosound
[03:53] <BUGabundo> and seems to be working better
[03:53] <i_is_broke> can you run a 64bit in a 32 vbox?
[03:53] <BUGabundo> i_is_broke: yes
[03:53] <i_is_broke> BUGabundo: ok thank you
[03:54] <i_is_broke> i was just wondering, cause i am running lucid 32bit right now as my host and i want to try the maveric 64bit.
[03:54] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: so sound ?
[03:54] <bjsnider> certainly looks that way
[03:54] <BUGabundo> booo
[03:54] <bjsnider> maybe your sound chip is garbage
[03:55] <BUGabundo> eheh
[03:55] <BUGabundo> aren't they all?
[03:55] <coz_> BUGabundo,  or maybe compile the alsa driver for that specific card ?
[03:55] <BUGabundo> at leasr crismum says so :P
[03:55] <bjsnider> the onboard ones all seem to be
[03:55] <BUGabundo> coz_: can't it "just work" ?
[03:56] <bjsnider> there's the audio-dev ppa
[03:56] <nogo> a onboard intel hda has 192khz sample rate
[03:56] <bjsnider> but the hardware may be such a piece of crap that even a cleaned up driver won't fix it
[03:56] <nogo> your old ac97 has just 96-48 khz
[03:58] <BUGabundo> upgrading to audio-dev ppa
[03:58] <BUGabundo> how do I return to nouveua 3d?
[03:59] <BUGabundo> disable blob in jockey
[03:59] <bjsnider> go to jockey and deactivate the blob
[03:59] <BUGabundo> and there was soemthng else
[03:59] <BUGabundo> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[03:59] <BUGabundo> 	LANGUAGE = "en",
[03:59] <BUGabundo> 	LC_ALL = (unset),
[03:59] <BUGabundo> 	LANG = "pt_PT.utf8"
[03:59] <BUGabundo> still haven't managed to fix that lang stuff either
[04:00] <BUGabundo> if I have PT lang pack, apps like firefox are in Portuguese
[04:00] <BUGabundo> if I don't, apps complain of no fallback
[04:00] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: your LANGUAGE doesn't look right
[04:00] <BUGabundo> tell me about it
[04:01] <BUGabundo> I want english everywhere, but PT locale settings
[04:02] <kklimonda> I love how compiz and metacity hate each other and, when I change them, all windows end up at the current workspace
[04:03] <BUGabundo> rebooting
[04:03] <coz_> kklimonda,   did you set the window locations in compiz  ?
[04:03] <kklimonda> coz_: no
[04:04] <coz_> kklimonda,  ah that may be why :)
[04:04] <kklimonda> coz_: but then I can switch between mutter and metacity without this problem
[04:04] <coz_> kklimonda,  I am guessing ..when switching to metacity is going to remember last window state
[04:05] <coz_> kklimonda,  the same can be achieved with compiz  ..although I generall only do that for certain  applications  especiall with compiz 0.9
[04:06] <kklimonda> coz_: but I don't want any fancy stuff - just for applications to stay on their workspaces when I switch between metacity and clutter (on the live system)
[04:06] <gilead> hi
[04:07] <gilead> I just tried to upgrade to 10.10 and the network went down during package download. Now I can't restart the process as both update-manager -d and do-release-upgrade -d say there's no new distro available -- how to reset the state so it sees 10.10 again?
[04:07] <kklimonda> coz_: so I have a terminal running at the workspace 1 and firefox on the workspace 2 - I'd like for them to stay there after I run metacity --replace (or compiz --replace)
[04:08] <coz_> kklimonda,   in the place windows plugin you can specify the location of applicatons on specific viewports and  compiz --replace ccp should remember tham but  metacity -replace is going to remember what was in metacity I would assume
[04:09] <gilead> I deleted stuff from /var/cache/apt, the update-log/ directory, grepped /etc/ and /var (there's no match for 'maverick'), rebooted the machine and still nothing :(
[04:09] <kklimonda> gilead: most likely your /etc/apt/sources.list has been already updated to point to the maverick
[04:10] <gilead> kklimonda: doesn't seem to be
[04:10] <gilead> and if it was the regular apt-get dist-upgrade would pick it up, no?
[04:11] <kklimonda> yes
[04:13] <darthanubis> lol where is lm-sensors?
[04:13] <nogo> why should we use apt and dpkg on ubuntu?
[04:14] <nogo> this is not debian
[04:14] <coz_> nogo,  ah  it sort of id  yes?
[04:14] <coz_> is  not id
[04:14] <gilead> right... so if no one has any other ideas :) I can s/lucid/maverick/g in sources.list but I'm not sure if the upgrade would happen TheRightWay after that? Is update-manager doing something special?
[04:14] <coz_> reminds me of #debian channel a few years ago  topic  "This is not ubuntu"
[04:15] <kklimonda> gilead: it does
[04:15] <nogo> we should use ubuntu software center and synaptic
[04:16] <kklimonda> but it's still possible to use dist-upgrade - just more risky
[04:16] <coz_> nogo,  I believe synaptic will be gone at some point...at least I read that somewhere  but debian uses synaptic as well  and I dont particularly like software center at this stage
[04:16] <gilead> kklimonda: :/ any ideas where should I look for the solution then? I simply ran out of ideas and google queries to try :)
[04:16] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: back on nouveua (lost X and had to manually delete xorg.conf) and audio.dev ppa
[04:16] <BUGabundo> playback is A O K
[04:16] <gilead> kklimonda: more risky in what way?
[04:17] <BUGabundo> and now BED
[04:17] <BUGabundo> its past 4 am
[04:17] <BUGabundo> im up in 3h
[04:17] <kklimonda> gilead: do-release-upgrade/update-manager does some magic to resolve dependencies, handles things that apt-get is unable to do etc.
[04:17] <coz_> BUGabundo,  yikes !
[04:17] <BUGabundo> nite
[04:17] <BUGabundo> or what ever is left of it
[04:18] <kklimonda> there is some env variable you can set to get debug output from do-release-upgrade but I don't remember it atm
[04:18] <coz_> nogo,    http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/synaptic-is-going-bye-bye-soon.html
[04:19] <kklimonda> nogo: apt-get and dpkg are just as good tools as any other to maintain your system.
[04:19] <kklimonda> and neither is debian-only
[04:22] <nogo> coz_: then we can use ubuntu sofeware center all the time
[04:22] <coz_> nogo,  eeww  :)
[04:23] <coz_> nogo,   I think I will stick with apt
[04:23] <nogo> coz_: and we can get rid of those ego wizards
[04:23] <kklimonda> !ohmy | nogo
[04:23] <nogo> coz_: if you don't use them, we can wash them out
[04:25] <coz_> nogo,  I am a complainer by heart  .... but software center would be fine if it incorporates all the options of synatpic   history ...locing package versions etc... but personally ...the people I have talked with preferr synaptic over software center  and I tend to be in that camp
[04:25] <coz_> locking packages  rather
[04:27] <nogo> i almost forget all apt and dpkg commands
[04:28] <nogo> it's time to move for a new package manager
[04:28] <porter1> Are the nvidia driver slowdowns on all maverick linux kernels being experienced by anyone else? If I use the last kernel release from lucid (2.6.32-24), xserver doesn't hog memory.
[04:28] <bazhang> !ot > nogo
[04:28] <nogo> don't bother me
[04:28] <bazhang> nogo, stay on topic
[04:29] <nogo> ubuntu center is not on topic?
[04:29] <bjsnider> porter1, here we go again. the problem is fixed in the nvidia driver in the x-updates ppa
[04:29]  * nogo kicks anonying pandas
[04:29] <bazhang> nogo, no, it is nothing to do with support.
[04:30] <porter1> bjsnider, sorry. I'm not well-versed in the updates made in the latest PPAs. And my question I guess is more along the lines of whether those updates missed the mark for final 10.10 release?
[04:30] <nogo> what's the support in your mind?
[04:31] <bjsnider> porter1, the driver that has the fix is current marked beta by nvidia. until nvidia releases a stable driver with the fix, i suppose it will not be in maverick
[04:35] <porter1> bjsnider, good to hear then I guess. I just knew there was a lot of excitement about 10.10 and I wanted to be able to help others explain whether it was an issue in the proprietary drivers or just kernel-X11 issues. Thanks for the help.
[04:36] <gilead> kklimonda: # export DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=true
[04:36] <gilead> kklimonda: and to fix the issue: # rm /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release-development
[04:37] <gilead> kklimonda: grepping for 'maverick' flagged no files and that was exactly what should NOT happen :)
[04:38] <gilead> in short, meta-release-development contained some borked data from the second when my net connection was dying and update-manager decided it was fresh enough and didn't bother to re-download it
[04:38] <gilead> in fact, that looks like a bug -- it should try to re-download it if it's the wrong format
[04:38] <kklimonda> yeah, you should report it
[04:39] <gilead> anyway, problem sorted, thanks for your help :)
[04:45] <gilead> should I report the bug against do-upgrade-dist or update-manager? Or something else? :)
[04:46] <gilead> er, do-release-upgrade or update-manager
[04:48] <gilead> ok, it needs to be a package name, problem solved ;)
[05:23] <Flynsarmy1> Is it worth upgrading to meercat now while the RC is out if i'm on intel hardware (laptop) with nvidia gpu. or should i wait for the final build?
[05:31] <bullgard4> How can I determine if I have got installed grub1 or grub2?
[05:33] <bullgard4> [solved]
[05:47] <litropy> Hello, all. Instead of describing my issue here, I've pastebin'ed it. Please see: http://pastebin.com/K8uMbsUw
[05:53] <bullgard4> litropy: Psychologically a wrong procedure to get help.
[05:59] <digital_1> Ahhh, you know that ubottu guy is on 24x7!!!
[05:59] <litropy> bullgard4: granted.
[05:59] <bazhang> digital_1, it's a bot
[06:00] <digital_1> I know- it's like he never sleeps!  : )
[06:01] <digital_1> Does anyone know if the Inventory on Ubuntu One is working yet?
[06:01] <murlidhar> ok i have upgraded to maverick but the linux image generic doesn't seem to have installed properly ........what should i do ?
[06:01] <murlidhar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/504326/
[06:03] <bullgard4> murlidhar: »linux image generic« does not appear in your link. What do you refer to exactly?
[06:03] <digital_1> I'm trying to use OneConf in the RC.  It's force closing.  Anyone else know if that's supposed to be working yet?
[06:04] <murlidhar> murlidhar@desktop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-generic
[06:04] <murlidhar> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image-generic is broken or not fully installed
[06:04] <murlidhar> murlidhar@desktop:~$
[06:04] <murlidhar> bullgard4: ^^
[06:05] <murlidhar> bullgard4: something gone wrong while installing kernel it seems.
[06:06] <murlidhar> bullgard4: 14th line ?
[06:08] <digital_1> Hey
[06:08] <bullgard4> murlidhar: My advice: Before you run '~$ sudo apt-get upgrade' try to use the Update Manger and see if this works.
[06:09] <murlidhar> bullgard4: nothing shows up in the update manager.
[06:09] <digital_1> If you go to Ubuntu Software Center --> File --> Inventory on Ubuntu One    --- does that work for anyone?
[06:09] <avengingwatcher> anyone else having issues with the clock applet on the gnome panel?
[06:09] <bullgard4> murlidhar: What do you mean by "nothing shwos up"? Do you mean th program 'update manager' does not start?
[06:10] <digital_1> @avengingwatcher:  What specifically?
[06:10] <murlidhar> bullgard4: it starts but no updates as of now.
[06:10] <bullgard4> avengingwatcher: No.
[06:10] <murlidhar> bullgard4: but i did update things from update-manager.
[06:10] <avengingwatcher> it's floating in the middle of my screen instead of attached to the dock and the weather doesn't show up
[06:11] <avengingwatcher> plus side everything else works
[06:11] <digital_1> @avengingwatcher:  Nope- mine is right where it's supposed to be.
[06:11] <bullgard4> murlidhar: Okay. Now try the command '~$ sudo update-manager -d'.
[06:11] <avengingwatcher> curious
[06:12] <murlidhar> bullgard4: says there are no updates to install.
[06:13] <bullgard4> murlidhar: Okay. And now try again the command '~$ sudo apt-get upgrade'.
[06:14] <digital_1> Is it safe/advisable to use Update Manager from the RC?
[06:14] <bullgard4> digital_1: It is safe to use Ubuntu Lucid. It is undafe to use Maverick.
[06:14] <bullgard4> s/undafe/unsafe/
[06:15] <digital_1> So in general don't use Update Manager ever within the RC?
[06:15] <murlidhar> bullgard4: same problem.
[06:15] <bullgard4> digital_1: Only if you are adventurous and have made a backup before.
[06:15] <digital_1> @bullgard4:  Thanks!
[06:16] <bullgard4> murlidhar: I have only a faint hope: Reboot and see if the problem has gone.
[06:16] <murlidhar> awww
[06:16] <murlidhar> ok
[06:20] <murlidhar> bullgard4: nopes... :|
[06:21] <bullgard4> murlidhar: What do you mean vy "nopes..." ?
[06:21] <bullgard4> by
[06:22] <murlidhar> bullgard4: i meant the problem didn't get solved ..
[06:22] <murlidhar> those 3 packages haven't been installed properly.
[06:22] <bullgard4> murlidhar: I am sorry but I cannot help you with the information which you provided.
[06:23] <murlidhar> what information do you need ?
[06:25] <bullgard4> murlidhar: I don't know exactly. You better observe your computer more thoroughly. There must be some unusual sign of misbehaviour of your computer. Please provide a dmesg dump in a nopaste.
[06:26] <murlidhar> yes there are.... the gdm is at wrong resolution
[06:27] <murlidhar> and sofwate-center cannot be opened without giving sudo command.
[06:27] <murlidhar> bullgard4: ^^
[06:27] <bullgard4> murlidhar: This is probably secondary but could lead to the primary culprit.
[06:27] <murlidhar> and how do i provide a dmsg dump in a nopaste ?
[06:29] <bullgard4> murlidhar: '~$ dmesg > ~/dmesg.log20101002 | pastebinit'
[06:29] <cyberix> I'm trying to remove openJdk.
[06:30] <cyberix> For some reason apt-get wants to install sun-java instead of just removing it.
[06:30] <cyberix> Why?
[06:30] <murlidhar> bullgard4: You are trying to send an empty document, exiting
[06:32] <murlidhar> bullgard4: apparently dmesg seems to be empty
[06:34] <murlidhar> bullgard4: http://paste.ubuntu.com/504335/
[06:34] <bullgard4> murlidhar: This is strange. I have never experienced that dmesg is empty. --  What happens if you type 'dmesg' in a terminal?
[06:35] <murlidhar> bullgard4: its not empty.but the its pastebinit that says it is empty
[06:36] <digital_1> Isn't there a simple app like "Paint" for Gnome?
[06:36] <digital_1> Not GIMP tho.
[06:37] <murlidhar> digital_1: gnome-paint ?
[06:37] <avengingwatcher> Krita for K, gnome-paint, draw from open office
[06:37] <digital_1> Ah Thanks!
[06:37] <nigelb> digital_1: tux paint?
[06:37] <murlidhar> digital_1: gpaint ?
[06:37] <nigelb> digital_1: or KolourPaint
[06:37] <digital_1> Thanks much
[06:38] <murlidhar> digital_1: apt-cache search paint
[06:46] <bullgard4> murlidhar: I found the lines 138, 521 and 701 suspicious. Google for their exact text adding your computer type. May be this will explain why upgrade does not function.
[06:46] <murlidhar> hmmm
[06:47] <DarkSector> Hello, just installed Maverick RC and noticed the software sources tab is not available any more in the Admin section. Where to give feedback for the same ?
[06:49] <murlidhar> DarkSector: in synaptic manager you will find
[06:49] <mgunes> DarkSector, you can access it from Software Center
[06:49] <bullgard4> DarkSector: What "software sources tab" do you speak about? Where do you miss it?
[06:50] <DarkSector> bulldog98, the one that used to be in the Admin section, others know it
[06:50] <digital_1> You can also get to it via the Ubuntu Software Center
[06:50] <digital_1> That's what you should get used to.
[06:50] <digital_1> It's what is being emphasized.
[06:50] <mgunes> It was removed intentionally; it's not a bug
[06:50] <cyberix> could someone try downloading this http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/s/sun-java6/sun-java6-bin_6.21-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[06:50] <DarkSector> mgunes, I never said it was
[06:50] <cyberix> It stops before reaching 4MB
[06:50] <cyberix> I do not understand why
[06:51] <cyberix> What was the channel of Canonical admins?
[06:51] <digital_1> Ubuntu Software Center --> Edit --> Software Sources
[06:51] <DarkSector> OH ! ok now THAT I did not see digital_1 thank you
[06:51] <DarkSector> I am satisfied
[06:51] <DarkSector> *satisfied
[06:51] <digital_1> You're welcome
[06:52] <bullgard4> cyberix:  # ubuntu-ops, #ubuntu-motu
[06:52] <DarkSector> digital_1, also, can you please give me a link to the changes made in 10.10 or anyone else for that matter ?
[06:53] <murlidhar> i am not sure if we have a changelog file at all.
[06:53] <mgunes> DarkSector: https://wikiubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[06:53] <digital_1> DarkSector, the only one I know of is for the beta.  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta#New%20features%20in%20Maverick
[06:54] <murlidhar> cyberix: didn't stop at 4mb.
[06:54] <DarkSector> mgunes, the one you gave isn't working
[06:54] <cyberix> murlidhar: :-/
[06:54] <murlidhar> cyberix: try changing the repos maybe. i mean any other local fast server.
[06:54] <mgunes> DarkSector: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[06:55] <DarkSector> mgunes, yeah that one does
[06:55] <bullgard4> DarkSector: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs
[06:55] <DarkSector> thanks bullgard4
[06:55] <digital_1> The Gnome team really did a nice job with the latest Empathy.
[06:56] <murlidhar> like ?
[06:56] <digital_1> Pidgin was looking a little long in the tooth... Kinda circa 2003
[06:57] <digital_1> The UI is nicer, I think.
[06:57] <digital_1> I've used Pidgin up to this point.
[06:57] <bullgard4> digital_1: What do you refer to in Empathy 2.32.0 in particular? I cannot see something striking.
[06:58] <digital_1> @bullgard4:  Just the whole bubble captions and the like.  I haven't used Empathy until just now but the UI seems more modern than Pidgin.
[06:58] <murlidhar> digital_1: but yes there is now send file feature working ;)
[06:59] <mokkan> so the wireless problem i was having with maverick.. i tried the older kernel i had installed (2.6.32) and my wireless works perfectly now
[06:59] <mokkan> could this be a bug or is there more likely something broken on my system
[06:59] <mokkan> ?
[07:00] <Doyle> mokkan: what exactly is happening?
[07:00] <mokkan> i couldn't/can't connect to wireless networks
[07:00] <mokkan> i can see them
[07:00] <mokkan> but it fails to connect to them
[07:00] <mokkan> however, using 2.6.32, it works fine
[07:00] <mokkan> i was using 2.6.35 previously
[07:00] <bullgard4> digital_1: I have been using Empathy in Lucid as well as in Maverick. I like it but I cannot see a revolutionary progress.
[07:02] <bullgard4> mokkan: "i couldn't/can't connect" is no exact description. An error message is needed.
[07:02] <murlidhar> bullgard4: can i install any other old kernel ?
[07:02] <digital_1> bullgard4:  Sorry yeah for me it's just that it was the first time that I actually tried it.  Compared to Pidgin it appears strikingly cleaner and more modern.  That's all I was trying to say.  Sorry- didn't mean to imply that this particular version is leaps and bounds better that any previous one.
[07:02] <mokkan> there is no error message
[07:03] <mokkan> i believe the only thing it says is "Disconnected."
[07:03] <mokkan> after attempting to connect for 30 seconds to a minute
[07:03] <DarkSector> are you talking about empathy ? because I am not able to connect to my gmail account as well
[07:03] <Doyle> hmmm, give me a few minutes.
[07:03] <bullgard4> murlidhar: Yes. But I would not recommend that except for very sound reasons.
[07:03] <DarkSector> gives me a network error
[07:04] <murlidhar> bullgard4: but i don't find any other kernel in the repos
[07:04] <digital_1> DarkSector- under advanced I think I had to check "Encryption Required"
[07:05] <DarkSector> bullgard4, Empathy unable to connect to gmail account gives network error
[07:05] <murlidhar> DarkSector: you need to give the email address full .. username@gmail.com as username .
[07:05] <bullgard4> digital_1: Ah, ok. (But Pidgin is evolving too. It still has some user-friendly features that Empathy is still missing.)
[07:05] <digital_1> DarkSector - I know I got the same issue but then it worked
[07:05] <DarkSector> digital_1, how ?
[07:05] <DarkSector> murlidhar, yes obviously, as it is given in the example
[07:05] <digital_1> DarkSector:  I wish I could tell you for certain.  I ***think*** when I checked that setting "Encryption Required" it worked for me.
[07:06] <digital_1> but I was just fiddling with lots of options.
[07:06] <digital_1> I'm logged into it now however.
[07:06] <bullgard4> DarkSector: My Empathy has been able to connect to gmail accounts.
[07:06] <murlidhar> DarkSector: yeah :) still people forget to read that ..so i make it a point to tell
[07:07] <DarkSector> bullgard4, ok, then I should do what digital_1 did
[07:07] <DarkSector> murlidhar, :)
[07:07] <DarkSector> digital_1, yeah, still not working
[07:08] <digital_1> Mine just blew up.. lol
[07:08] <DarkSector> :)
[07:08] <murlidhar> hmmm let me chck mine.
[07:08] <DarkSector> and no bug has been filed either
[07:09] <digital_1> I unchecked "Require Encryption" hit apply.  Then unchecked it and hit apply and re-checked it.
[07:09] <DarkSector> digital_1, hahaha
[07:09] <murlidhar> :) mine works by default
[07:09] <digital_1> lucky!
[07:09] <murlidhar> dn't say that :|
[07:09] <DarkSector> digital_1, yeah toggling it on and off doesn't make it work
[07:09] <murlidhar> my kernel got angry with me :|
[07:11] <digital_1> DarkSector- I got the same error you did about the Network Connection.... I just kept changing things until it eventually worked.  I have to retract all the nice things I just said about Empathy.  : (
[07:11] <DarkSector> digital_1, ok
[07:11] <digital_1> Now when I type a line longer than the Window, instead of wrapping the text it's expanding the Window.  : (
[07:13] <DarkSector> ok, digital_1 I think I'll file a bug report but I need to be sure that I am not the only one who got that error, can anyone else please let me know if they had the same problem, because I hate to be filing a bug which isn't a bug for many
[07:13] <DarkSector> just makes the job harder for the devs
[07:13] <murlidhar> file bug report for what ?
[07:14] <DarkSector> murlidhar, the gmail thingy in empathy
[07:14] <murlidhar> ah okiez.
[07:14] <murlidhar> but it worked absolutely fine with me.
[07:15] <digital_1> I think this isn't totally new
[07:15] <digital_1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1311005&page=2
[07:18] <DarkSector> Yeah got it to work
[07:18] <DarkSector> the server needs to be added
[07:18] <digital_1> Now mine's broke
[07:18] <DarkSector> talk.google.com needs to be written
[07:18] <digital_1> let me try that...
[07:18] <DarkSector> digital_1, what did you change ?
[07:19] <DarkSector> iirc we used to use jabber instead of gtalk earlier. I think that may work as well
[07:19] <digital_1> DarkSector- putting in talk.google.com fixed it.
[07:19] <DarkSector> digital_1, ok, someone needs to formally add this to the empathy guide
[07:20] <digital_1> I'm not sure how it was working before I added that.
[07:20] <DarkSector> digital_1, you remember when yahoo migrated to its new authentication process, my god tons of bugs
[07:20] <DarkSector> then finally pidgin added it to its guide
[07:21] <digital_1> Empathy team should do the same then.
[07:21] <DarkSector> digital_1, how to contact them ?
[07:21] <DarkSector> digital_1, any IRC channel ?
[07:21] <digital_1> murlidhar do you have a server name?
[07:21] <digital_1> murlidhar:  server name in your Google Talk account config settings in Empathy I mean.
[07:22] <murlidhar> digital_1: nopes
[07:22] <murlidhar> its empty
[07:22] <DarkSector> ah gimpnet
[07:22] <digital_1> The only bug I ever reported I did through Launchpad
[07:24] <DarkSector> digital_1, no, I found them @ gimpnet
[07:24] <digital_1> Oh cool.
[07:31] <scott__> jr;;p
[07:31] <scott__> translation is "hello"
[07:31] <scott__> when you have your hands in the right spot
[07:32] <scott__> anyone running meerkat?
[07:32] <digital_1> Yes
[07:32] <scott__> coolio
[07:33] <DarkSector> scott__, yeah all of us
[07:33] <scott__> having issues with picasa where my sound cuts out when starting it
[07:34] <scott__> so... trying to get away from picasa
[07:34] <digital_1> brb - reboot time...
[07:34] <scott__> havent found a replacement
[07:34] <scott__> anyone liking shotwell that hasnt used it before?
[07:35] <scott__> as opposed to fspot/
[07:36] <scott__> firewall
[07:38] <lucent> scott__: I'm using Shotwell now
[07:38] <scott__> nice
[07:38] <lucent> I did use F-Spot but rather like Shotwell
[07:38] <scott__> u ever use picasa?
[07:38] <lucent> neither is comparable to Picasa - I don't like Picasa though
[07:38] <lucent> yeah, I have used Picasa
[07:39] <scott__> i like picasa only because it allows importing video files
[07:39] <lucent> I don't need the functionality that is in Picasa, to be brief
[07:39] <scott__> basically an easy way to plug the digital camera in and import all my video and pictures easily
[07:40] <scott__> im lovin what Shotwell has.. just need it to import video files as well
[07:40] <lucent> ah, video import? I think I agree about that
[07:40] <scott__> then i can get rid of this wine crap
[07:41] <scott__> (the only reason im saying wine crap is because my sound cuts out every time i start up picasa)
[07:41] <scott__> its not picasa its wine because even if i go into the wine config, as soon as i click on the "sound" tab my sound cuts out
[07:42] <DarkSector> ok, so I mailed it in the empathy mailing list
[07:42] <murlidhar> scott__: as far as i know .... picasa has a a debian file
[07:42] <DarkSector> lul scott__ use a deb
[07:42] <murlidhar> but then i know it uses window libraries.
[07:42] <DarkSector> what murlidhar said
[07:43] <scott__> wha?
[07:43] <scott__> its not linux native app though
[07:43] <DarkSector> scott__, http://picasa.google.com/linux/thanks-deb.html
[07:43] <DarkSector> use that instead
[07:43] <murlidhar> yep it isn't native...
[07:44] <murlidhar> it uses windows libraries....wine is not needed .
[07:44] <scott__> that deb has wine files included though
[07:45] <scott__> when i tried to run it also said "Error: A later version is already installed
[07:45]  * lucent facepalms
[07:45] <scott__> :hmm
[07:46] <lucent> may I digress, having data loss trouble and can use some advice?
[07:46] <lucent> post-Maverick upgrade here and my firewire express card no longer works correctly
[07:46] <lucent> it eats hard drives when I connect them and fdisk
[07:47] <lucent> where do I begin though, if I'm going to file a bug report?  I haven't even an idea how I should be reproducing this
[07:47] <lucent> fsck, I meant, and not fdisk.
[07:48] <lucent> when Ubuntu auto-mounted my volumes, it fsck'ed and trashed the volumes on two drives
[07:48] <scott__> ive switched over to ubuntu from windows about 6 months ago.. what up with stuff working and then when a fix is released stuff stops working?
[07:48] <scott__> no regression testing going on here or what?
[07:48] <lucent> it's not stable nor LTS
[07:48] <lucent> my own fault for upgrading, I guess
[07:48] <lucent> how do I fix it / submit a bug report when I don't know what to look for?
[07:49] <lucent> I would have thought "Plug drive in, kills data" would catch the attention of firewire developers, or ubuntu kernel developers, no such luck yet
[07:50] <lucent> seems I'm being too vague but then, I don't know how to be more specific or to reproduce the issue without it just being user error
[07:51] <scott__> anyone in here use mint?
[07:51] <scott__> linux mint that is
[07:52] <scott__> sry lucent, i have never submitted a bug report
[07:57] <Prez00> so, everybody running 10.10 RC?
[07:58] <lucent> that's what this is, I think
[08:07] <|Dreams|> hello got ubuntu 10.10 installed but i cant access my fb messages and also cant get on to my banking website this works on ubunu 10.04 just tested it on main pc
[08:07] <|Dreams|> tried 3 diff versions of flash
[08:07] <lucent> what are fb messages?
[08:07] <|Dreams|> facebook sorry
[08:07] <|Dreams|> using x64
[08:08] <lucent> okay, just had to be sure, you know I was gazing into my crystal ball here and I swear it said "Idiot lucent, you are not a psychic"
[08:08] <|Dreams|> any clues as to what it may be?
[08:08] <|Dreams|> if not going to put 10.04 back on
[08:08] <lucent> |Dreams|: does Facebook and banking website require Adobe Flash plugin for your web browser?
[08:09] <|Dreams|> facebook does i am sure regards to my online banking i am not so sure it is www.natwest.com
[08:10] <|Dreams|> i type it in the url bar and it just does nothing
[08:10] <lucent> well, if your banking website requires Adobe Flash, then firstly and not related to Ubuntu, I recommend you change banks immediately
[08:10] <|Dreams|> lol
[08:10] <lucent> ...because I can break into your bank account pretty simply.
[08:10] <lucent> That is not a joke.
[08:10] <lucent> I've changed banks 3 times to avoid Flash and the associated security hole
[08:10] <|Dreams|> i cant even get onto the website nevermind break into it
[08:11] <lucent> good reason to switch banks then.... I digress.
[08:11] <lucent> in the location bar you can input:     about:plugins
[08:11] <lucent> the information displayed as a result will contain a reference to Adobe Flashplayer plugin, or it may not
[08:12] <|Dreams|> yes it is installed
[08:12] <|Dreams|> and enabled
[08:12] <lucent> if it does then you may find what version of Flashplayer plugin is installed and that will be interesting...
[08:12] <lucent> which version
[08:12] <|Dreams|> Shockwave Flash 10.2 d161
[08:12] <lucent> odd. I'm at 10.1 r85
[08:12] <lucent> you may try downgrading Flash?
[08:13] <lucent> sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin=10.1.85.3-1maverick1
[08:13] <lucent> I think that's the command, not certain of it
[08:14] <|Dreams|> i had lower version installed originally but same problem
[08:14] <|Dreams|> one minute i will do it again
[08:14] <lucent> |Dreams|: in all serious concern though, if your bank requires Flash, then you are well advised to change banks
[08:14] <lucent> I don't think that is actually your problem
[08:15] <lucent> this sounds like either a plugin (flash) that is not perfect, or you have entered a network problem
[08:16] <|Dreams|> perhaps i dont know it works fine on 10.04 i had some issues with facebook but after changingfew diff versions of flash managed to get flash x64 working nicely with everything
[08:16] <lucent> |Dreams|: you know what the test is, boot a 32-bit LiveCD
[08:16] <|Dreams|> Shockwave Flash 10.1 r85
[08:16] <|Dreams|> still same problem
[08:17] <|Dreams|> maybe it is a network problem
[08:17] <lucent> Facebook chat? or messages
[08:17] <|Dreams|> as it doesnt even bother to look up the address or natwest.com
[08:18] <|Dreams|> neither will load up but the chat could be just facebook being a pain where as messages didnt work yesterday either but work on main pc running 10.04
[08:20] <lucent> |Dreams|: network issues, right?
[08:21] <|Dreams|> could be and this is out of my scope to fix so might as well go back to 10.04 me thinks
[08:54] <andre_> No display booting 10.10 RC on Dell E6410 laptop... xforcevesa doesn't help... what else can I try ?
[08:55] <andre_> Booting from install CD
[09:16] <aprilhare> hello
[09:19] <aprilhare> upgraded today, having problems with packages. the upgrade wasn't a total success. it won't install libphonon-dev in particular, but the upgrade process caused much whinging with regards to libphonon-dev,  kdelibs5-dev. xpilot-ng and xpilot-ng-server
[09:19] <aprilhare> will life go on? :)
[09:21] <AngryParsley> I upgraded to maverick on my netbook and now ubuntu shows a login screen (it used to auto-log in) and if I click on my username and type my password, the screen goes blank for a second and prints some text, then shows the login screen again
[09:21] <aprilhare> AngryParsley, thats not a good sign. bug reporting would be good there
[09:21] <AngryParsley> it's an acer aspire one
[09:22] <AngryParsley> I hit ctrl+alt+1 to get a terminal. I'm looking through the syslog right now
[09:22] <aprilhare> try sudo apt-get install -f
[09:23] <aprilhare> at least my system seems stable. you need to do something now AngryParsley
[09:23] <AngryParsley> that did nothing
[09:23] <AngryParsley> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, etc
[09:23] <aprilhare> erm
[09:23] <aprilhare> what did it say
[09:23] <AngryParsley> the typical stuff apt-get/aptitude says
[09:24] <aprilhare> so everything is installed and theoretically everything hunky dory
[09:24] <AngryParsley> correct
[09:24] <AngryParsley> but x crashes on startup
[09:24] <aprilhare> then u need to bug report
[09:24] <aprilhare> beyond that, i'm afraid I haven't got much to add
[09:24] <AngryParsley> "it doesn't work" isn't a very useful bug report. I'm trying to figure out the exact error
[09:25] <aprilhare> apport
[09:25] <aprilhare> one uses apport to bug report. and it adds stuff to the bug report
[09:27] <AngryParsley> ugh. I try to kill X and it automatically respawns
[09:28] <aprilhare> thats what x tries to do
[09:28] <aprilhare> ctrl-alt-f1
[09:28] <AngryParsley> yes. I have a terminal
[09:28] <AngryParsley> I did that
[09:28] <AngryParsley> I want to kill the X that's showing the login screen
[09:28] <AngryParsley> so then I can try startx and see what it prints out
[09:29] <aprilhare> kill gdm
[09:29] <aprilhare> /etc/init.d/xdm stop
[09:29] <aprilhare> (sort of thing)
[09:29] <AngryParsley> startx works, but it shows the default ubuntu UI instead of unity
[09:30] <aprilhare> hmmmmm
[09:30] <AngryParsley> oh and I have no sound
[09:30] <AngryParsley> but wireless and bluetooth work
[09:30] <aprilhare> you've got a lot to bug report :)
[09:30] <AngryParsley> some error in the syslog about a pulseaudio crash
[09:31] <AngryParsley> if another AAO owner has upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10, they should experience similar issues, right?
[09:32] <aprilhare> possibly.
[09:33] <aprilhare> sorry i can't be that much help - my system has problems but noting so bad
[09:33] <aprilhare> nothing even
[09:34] <AngryParsley> is there some way I can tell startx to use unity instead of the normal UI?
[09:34] <AngryParsley> I want to figure out if this is login-related or unity-related
[09:34] <AngryParsley> or something else
[09:37] <aprilhare> not using unity
[09:37] <aprilhare> from what i can tell :)
[09:37] <AngryParsley> ugh. running gdmsetup shows everything ghosted
[09:37] <AngryParsley> I can't change the login screen or default interface
[09:37] <AngryParsley> and clicking the unlock button does nothing, even though my user is a sudoer
[09:38] <AngryParsley> I try running sudo gdmsetup and I get the same thing
[09:38] <AngryParsley> Failed to unlock: The name org.gnome.DisplayManager was not provide by any .service files
[09:38] <AngryParsley> *provided
[09:39] <juk_> Hi, Im happy to anounce that upgraded to 10.10!
[09:40] <aprilhare> juk_, glad you've cought up
[09:40] <aprilhare> caught even
[09:40] <aprilhare> its all well and good.. but whats the deal with libphonon-dev
[09:41] <aprilhare> it dinna upgrade with the rest
[09:41] <juk_> aprilhare: yeah it went really smoothly
[09:41] <aprilhare> there were a few errors here with random packages
[09:41] <aprilhare> nothing crucial
[09:42] <aprilhare> erm
[09:42] <aprilhare> trying to figure out why nautilus looks so retro
[09:44] <aprilhare> i love how adobe reader for linux has the gall to leave a menu item inviting ppl to purchase acrobat
[09:47] <AngryParsley> grah what a giant pain
[09:48] <aprilhare> juk_, what does nautilus look like for u
[09:48] <AngryParsley> 10.10 worked perfectly the first time I restarted. then I ran apt-get upgrade and X won't start
[09:48] <AngryParsley> now instead of a login screen I just get a bunch of error messages on a console
[09:48] <aprilhare> theres a lesson in that
[09:48] <aprilhare> :)
[09:48] <AngryParsley> what?
[09:48] <AngryParsley> get a mac?
[09:48] <aprilhare> if it aint broke don't fix it
[09:48] <aprilhare> ;)
[09:49] <AngryParsley> you're not helping
[09:49] <aprilhare> i'm sorry but i didn't program it
[09:49] <aprilhare> can't be helpful except to say *report the bugs*
[09:50] <AngryParsley> reporting a bug saying "X won't start unless I log in and run startx" doesn't help anything. I need to figure out *why* it's not working
[09:50] <AngryParsley> or at least narrow down the possibilities
[09:50] <aprilhare> attach the X log files
[09:50] <aprilhare> to the bug report
[09:50] <juk_> aprilhare: satisfying
[09:50] <AngryParsley> X logs stuff? where?
[09:51] <aprilhare> of course there are X log files
[09:51] <AngryParsley> ok
[09:51] <AngryParsley> where?
[09:51] <juk_> aprilhare: i go for clearlooks themes
[09:51] <aprilhare> hmmm
[09:51] <aprilhare> i thought i set something like that
[09:52] <AngryParsley> ah, found 'em
[09:52] <aprilhare> for some reason nautilus isn't picking it up
[09:52] <aprilhare> looks ugly but it still works
[09:52] <AngryParsley> meh. I'm not in the mood for this
[09:52] <juk_> aprilhare: imagebin it
[09:56] <aprilhare> http://imagebin.org/116645
[09:57] <aprilhare> tsorry about delay
[09:57] <aprilhare> i clipped it but it also had ugly old scrollbar
[09:58] <aprilhare> not nice looking new one
[10:00] <juk_> aprilhare: you have set controls to Redmond
[10:00] <aprilhare> yuk "The application File Browser crashed. The bug reporting tool was unable to collect enough information about the crash to be useful to the developers."
[10:00] <juk_> not pleasing much, imho
[10:00] <aprilhare> juk_, redmond?
[10:00] <aprilhare> hang on
[10:01] <aprilhare> after crash everything looks good!
[10:01] <aprilhare> yay for crashes! lol
[10:01] <juk_> aprilhare: yes go in prefs appearence and change controls
[10:01] <aprilhare> no need now?
[10:01] <aprilhare> it everything updated
[10:03] <aprilhare> a crash a day makes nautilus ugliness go away methinks
[10:04] <juk_> aprilhare: great
[10:04] <aprilhare> i love the ubuntu font
[10:09] <aprilhare> ooo the ubuntu software centre has a "for purchase" section. just in case i feel like purchasing a test product.
[10:10] <aprilhare> there are a few commercial packages that work with ubuntu :)
[10:11] <juk_> aprilhare: lol wallpapers
[10:12] <aprilhare> $1 for wallpapers is too much!
[10:12] <aprilhare> but if it works maybe they could get labview, mathematica, etc. on it
[10:12] <juk_> aprilhare: I'd buy paper rolls
[10:13] <aprilhare> juk_, whatever floats your paper boat
[10:15] <aprilhare> grrr gunna need that libphonon-dev library
[10:15] <aprilhare> didn't think i would but apparently i will
[10:15] <AngryParsley> I hate to say it, but 10.10 has just made me stop using ubuntu on my netbook. I changed grub to default to booting windows
[10:16] <aprilhare> AngryParsley, what do you want from us - i'm a user. you've gotta engage with bug reporting or things don't work under ubuntu. it's that simple
[10:17] <aprilhare> on the upside, ppl actually listen to u in the linux community, unlike when things get buggy under windoze
[10:19] <AngryParsley> I just want it to work
[10:19] <AngryParsley> I hate it when stuff breaks after an upgrade
[10:19] <aprilhare> don't we all
[10:20] <aprilhare> i reported my libphonon-dev package and hopefully things will be attended to soon. it's like 8 days till release
[10:20] <aprilhare> you've gotta remember AngryParsley you've installed a release candidate and there will be bugs.
[10:21] <AngryParsley> I've had issues since 9.10
[10:21] <AngryParsley> this is just the straw that broke the camel's back
[10:21] <yofel> AngryParsley: what's wrong with phonon?
[10:22] <yofel> er.. aprilhare ^
[10:22] <yofel> tab fail -.-
[10:22] <AngryParsley> beats me. I have a problem with gdm and pulseaudio and a couple other things
[10:23] <aprilhare> yofel, libphonon_dev fail upgrade
[10:24] <AngryParsley> anyway, bye
[10:27] <yofel> aprilhare: oh, can you try to upgrade the package again? that should be a one-time failure only
[10:29] <yofel> we get many of those 'is already installed and configured' reports, but the devs seem to have a hard time tracking the issue down
[10:33] <aprilhare> yofel, tried to upgrade again, failure
[10:33] <yofel> k..
[10:33] <aprilhare> " unable to install new version of `/usr/include/phonon/Phonon/AbstractAudioOutput': No such file or directory"
[10:34] <aprilhare> libphonon-dev_4%3a4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[10:35] <yofel> o.O
[11:43]  * penguin42 updates - and I thought I'd only see a few updates now :-)
[11:51] <aprilhare> penguin42, how many?
[11:51] <aprilhare> i only upgraded a few hours ago, so there aren't any for me
[11:51] <penguin42> well I haven't updated since last weekend, and we've got 400 new packages - so I guess that was the RC
[11:51] <aprilhare> just this silly libphonon-dev package that wouldn't upgrade
[11:52] <aprilhare> penguin42, presumably - i didn't check when the RC was released
[11:53] <aprilhare> things working for you though, penguin42?
[11:54] <penguin42> aprilhare: Mostly yes, a LOT of things have got fixed over the last few months, I've been using MM since the early Alphas
[11:54] <aprilhare> ic
[11:54] <fcn> Will new release use the black theme as the one before?
[11:54] <aprilhare> i basically waited till the rc. (Playing with Windows 7 gave me perspective in the meanwhile.)
[11:55] <aprilhare> fcn, no idea. mine is still chocolatey
[11:55] <killer999> i formatted my partition to ext4 format...now I am getting lost+found folder which I can't delete. How to delete the folder?
[11:56] <penguin42> killer999: Don't
[11:56] <aprilhare> is upgrading to ext4 worth the effort?
[11:56] <penguin42> killer999: lost+found is part of the system
[11:56] <aprilhare> killer999, why the need to delete a lost+found folder anyway? its handy
[11:56] <penguin42> killer999: It's where stuff goes if fsck has to fix it and can't figure out wher eit came from
[11:57] <killer999> penguin42, then it sgould be hidden...because i have 5 partitions and its a bit annoying to see them
[11:57] <aprilhare> still haven't upgraded to ext4
[11:57] <fcn> I went back to 9.10 because of the black theme
[11:57] <aprilhare> is there support for extfat in the kernel?
[11:58] <killer999> aprilhare, but it only comes in ext4, not in fat32
[11:58] <penguin42> killer999: Not an unreasonable suggestion; fsck has been around for a _long_ time; it's been there for decades
[11:58] <aprilhare> killer999, not surprising
[11:59] <penguin42> fcr: You can always switch theme!
[12:00] <killer999> the problem is whenever i select all files, it also selects lost+found and then it shows file operation error
[12:01] <killer999> also lost+found is strange name....does not reflect that its a system folder...seems like virus that i cannot delete
[12:04] <aprilhare> yay vuze actually works now
[12:27] <supremo> lol
[12:35] <alket> Im trying to create a bootable usb with Maverick RC , with Startup Disk Creator, at 99% an error displays " Checksum didn't match "
[12:42] <kroson> hi people will kubuntu get the ubuntu new font?
[12:43] <kroson> ...
[12:44] <supremo> ubuntu's font are blurred
[12:45] <supremo> you need private elite fonts
[12:45]  * supremo installed elite fonts with the best hinting
[12:48] <kroson> supremo: so will the ubuntu font be used as default?
[12:48] <kroson> in maverick final!
[12:50] <alket> kroson, its default now
[12:50] <kroson> alket: where is it used throughout the system?
[12:50] <kroson> if i download the RC and update it will i get the same as final system?
[12:50] <alket> yes
[12:52] <supremo> kroson: you can remove default fonts of ubuntu
[13:13] <_pHI_> I have a quick question: if i keep my Ubuntu 10.10 RC up-to-date, can i avoid installing the final 10.10 when it comes out? will i have all the latest packages?
[13:13] <_pHI_> is it the same for beta and alpha?
[13:13] <ikonia> it depends if things break
[13:14] <ikonia> again, it depends if things break
[13:14] <_pHI_> i don't 100% understand ;(
[13:15] <ikonia> if the packages are upgradeable then it should move to production, if packages break and have to be swapped out then it will need a fresh install
[13:15] <_pHI_> is there a way for me to tell around the time the final is released? ;)
[13:16] <ikonia> _pHI_: I would just advise you to do a clean install on release day to make sure all packages are stable and current
[13:16] <_pHI_> alright
[13:16] <_pHI_> thanks!
[13:17] <_pHI_> another quick question: i noticed that in the 10.10 theme the window borders are gone
[13:17] <_pHI_> is that intentional? it makes it hard to resize windows with the mouse
[13:17] <ikonia> don't think so
[13:17] <hifi> ikonia: thats not completely true though
[13:18] <ikonia> hifi: please expand
[13:18] <hifi> "if packages break and have to be swapped out then it will need a fresh install"
[13:19] <hifi> you don't need a complete fresh install if something breaks
[13:19] <hifi> though you absolutely need to know what you are doing
[13:20] <ikonia> hifi: right so for someone asking this question, a clean install is the sensible answer, or they would not be asking the question as they would understand the package managment
[13:20] <_pHI_> snif
[13:21] <hifi> thats why I felt the needed to correct you
[13:21] <ikonia> and I'm explaining why I've suggested a clean install
[13:22] <hifi> I didn't say you were wrong, just that it is not the full truth
[13:22] <dave65> yo
[13:22] <dave65> 10.10 is great thanks
[13:22] <ikonia> please don't start in here
[13:23] <dave65> lol
[13:23] <ikonia> I'm not laughing
[13:23] <dave65> yeehhaaa
[13:23] <dave65> whats up with you mate
[13:24] <thomas82> every few minutes, I'm getting very high average system load without any reason. CPU is not heavy used, plenty of free memory, disk usage also low.. Can anyone give me some ideas what can be wrong?
[13:24] <dave65> 10.10 is superb as far as I can see
[13:24] <thomas82> please take a look on that screenshot: http://www.wstaw.org/h/2897016a9a2
[13:24] <ikonia> dave65: we don't need you repeating that
[13:24] <dave65> as a desktop
[13:24] <dave65> dont be boring man
[13:24] <dave65> ;)
[13:24] <ikonia> dave65: please stop,
[13:24] <dave65> stop what?
[13:24] <ikonia> dave65: just saying "it's great" in channels,
[13:25] <_pHI_> thomas82: is it avahi-daemon? that goes through the roof (100% cpu) once in a while for me
[13:25] <dave65> whats wrong with that?
[13:25] <_pHI_> dave65: never mind, it's ok to be excited ;)
[13:25] <ikonia> dave65: it's pointless, this is a disucssion channel, people are already using it
[13:25] <dave65> think I need off topic, hope your not there lol
[13:25] <dave65> I only just installed it and wanted to say thanks, geez
[13:25] <thomas82> _pHI_: it looks like its not a CPU problem... looks rather like something with kernel (red bars in htop)
[13:25] <ikonia> dave65: please feel free to discuss 10.10, but just saying "it's great" is of no value in multiple channels
[13:26] <_pHI_> thomas82: dunno sorry
[13:26] <dave65> geez lighten up bud :)
[13:26] <_pHI_> i said uhh girl, shock me like an electric eel
[13:26] <ikonia> thomas82: when the system is under load is it still responsive ?
[13:27] <thomas82> ikonia: no, its very choppy, I cannot type normal, I hear sound cracks in any player etc...
[13:27] <dave65> not tried much at the moment
[13:27] <thomas82> ikonia: when I want to minimize / maximize window also it takes  very long
[13:27] <ikonia> that's common with cpu lag, I wonder what's hogging it
[13:27] <ikonia> thomas82: do you have compiz/effects enabled ?
[13:28] <thomas82> ikonia: yes, I do
[13:28] <ikonia> thomas82: disable it, see if the load spikes go away
[13:28] <thomas82> ikonia: ok, switched off, I'll let you know the result soon, thank you!
[13:40] <Guest31876> Hi, just install maverick beta. Not seeing daap server in Amarok. Is a firewall enabled by default?
[13:56] <Ken8521> Guest31876, to my knowledge, no firewall is on by default.
[14:08] <javatexan> how does one install Sun SDK on ubuntu 10.10 ;)
[14:08] <javatexan> same as 10.4
[14:08] <ikonia> exactly the same process as 10.04
[14:08] <supremo> use synaptic?
[14:09] <javatexan> apt-get
[14:09] <supremo> no
[14:10] <javatexan> wow that was easy
[14:10] <javatexan> LOL
[14:11] <supremo> java is in the ubuntu software center
[14:11] <javatexan> still have to change alternatives?
[14:11] <supremo> there is openjdk something, mint is using it
[14:12] <supremo> but i don't like its author
[14:12] <javatexan> yeah
[14:12] <supremo> i only trust the official java, it's always much faster
[14:12] <javatexan> my grails failed due to missing native2ascii:
[14:13] <coz_> javatexan,  first open synaptic...  hit search  type icedtea to see if it is installed
[14:14] <coz_> javatexan,  then hold ctrl and click ALL that show up and remove completely
[14:14] <coz_> javatexan,   then  hit search again and type   sun java     I believe it is in the repositories or you can use the karmic partner repository for it
[14:15] <coz_> rather lucid partner repo
[14:15] <supremo> it's weird, i don't have java on my gear
[14:15] <coz_> you may have to put the lucid partner repository on maverick for now
[14:15] <bazhang> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/sun-java-finally-uploaded-to-ubuntu.html
[14:15] <supremo> i must remove it at several days ago
[14:15] <bazhang> coz_, now in maverick partner
[14:16] <coz_> bazhang,  very cool :)
[14:16] <supremo> ...
[14:16] <bazhang> javatexan, ^^
[14:16] <supremo> it appears...
[14:16] <bazhang> supremo, ?
[14:16] <javatexan> LOL
[14:16] <coz_> javatexan,  that should do it then,,, open synaptic  click "Settings  then repositories"  second tab  enable partner repos  ...Reload... type in sun java
[14:16] <javatexan> its alive
[14:30]  * BUGabundo shoots Firefox
[14:30] <BUGabundo> I give up... I've removed ALL lang packs and firefox is still in Portuguese :(
[14:31] <Ian_corne> lol
[14:31] <supremo> you are lucky, it's not mandarin
[14:31] <supremo> let it go
[14:32] <supremo> iirc, firefox has its ways to deal with languages
[14:41] <BUGabundo> supremo: but it shouldn't
[14:41] <BUGabundo> I want it in english
[14:42] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -l |pastebinit
[14:42] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/504508/
[14:42] <BUGabundo> if anyone has ANY idea what package is putting FF in PT, let me know
[14:42] <BUGabundo> I'll NUKE it
[14:42] <nigelb> BUGabundo: its in firefox settings?
[14:43] <BUGabundo> nigelb: where? FF has no lang options
[14:43] <BUGabundo> only site settings
[14:43] <nigelb> Edit > Preferences > Content > Language
[14:43] <nigelb> (Disclaimer: This is on iceweasel)
[14:43] <BUGabundo> and even that is ENG US / UK
[14:44] <nigelb> ok, you're stuck then.
[14:44] <BUGabundo> its driving me insane
[14:44] <BUGabundo> I'm loosing control of my PC
[14:44] <BUGabundo> I can't allow that
[14:45] <nigelb> LOL
[14:45] <BUGabundo> nigelb: would you  ?
[14:45] <BUGabundo> please take a quick look at the pastebin
[14:45] <BUGabundo> and see if you find anything I'm missing
[14:46] <nigelb> BUGabundo: you need dpm
[14:47] <BUGabundo> !info dpm
[14:47] <nigelb> dpm => David planella
[14:47] <BUGabundo> ehe
[14:47] <nigelb> Log a bug and he'll get int touch with you on monday
[14:47] <BUGabundo> not that lucky on a weekend
[14:52] <oCean> BUGabundo: don't know if it's related, but the PT languagepacks are not completely purged (still status rc)
[14:54] <BUGabundo> oCean: let me purge them
[14:55] <thomas82> ikonia: just want to let you know that after your advice everything works fine. It looks like there is a problem with Compiz or Ati driver... Thanks again!
[14:55] <BUGabundo> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[14:55] <BUGabundo> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[14:55] <BUGabundo> 	LANGUAGE = "en",	LC_ALL = (unset),	LANG = "pt_PT.utf8"
[14:55] <BUGabundo>     are supported and installed on your system.
[14:55] <BUGabundo> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[14:56] <ikonia> thomas82: that's great
[14:56] <rumbert> are there any regular rsync mirrors of ISOs?  I see there is zsync.
[14:57] <BUGabundo> I use zsync too
[14:57] <BUGabundo> !zsync
[14:57] <BUGabundo> !rsync
[15:11] <thomas82> ikonia: the problem has returned after 1/2 hour :/
[15:11] <thomas82> ikonia: do you know maybe if the default CPU scheduler has changed in Ubuntu since kernel 2.6.34 ? Maybe this could cause a problem...
[15:15] <DarthFrog> Upon upgrade to Maverick, I have a package (initramfs-tools) that refuses to update, saying that it's trigger activated.  Is this trigger event failure logged anywhere?  Can I force installation?
[15:16] <zanus> Why is everything .. important..refusing to work.  i.e Software Center & Package Manager
[15:18] <zanus> I've got all the updates.. from 2 hours ago... via terminal and still.  error, error , error
[15:18] <yofel> *what* error?
[15:19] <funnylookinhat> Hah - So I'm getting a Kernel Panic when trying to EFI Boot the RC on my MBP.
[15:20] <zanus> E: ttf-uralic: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[15:20] <zanus> seems I can't install or uninstall anything because of this
[15:20] <rusivi> zanus: Software Center grey screened on me, welcome to beta testing!
[15:21] <rusivi> :P
[15:21] <zanus> I thought this was in RC though
[15:21] <yofel> rusivi: we're RC, shouldn't happen..
[15:21] <rusivi> yofel / zanus I am just joking
[15:21] <rumbert> zanus: yes.  debian package manager is like that. 1 faulty package will keep the whole user level package system from working.
[15:22] <zanus> any way to get rid of the faulty package
[15:22] <yofel> zanus: what does '/var/lib/dpkg/info/ttf-uralic.prerm' (I hope the filename is right) do?
[15:22] <rumbert> modify the (de)install script
[15:23] <zanus> does nothing
[15:23] <zanus> should I be passing that as an argument to something
[15:23] <yofel> zanus: can you pastebin the file?
[15:24] <zanus> http://pastebin.org/150
[15:25] <BUGabundo> bahhhh
[15:25] <BUGabundo> so I stayed awake till 4am to fix my darn audio bug
[15:26] <BUGabundo> and now its back?
[15:26] <BUGabundo> WTH
[15:26] <zanus> I got this uralic thing when I tried to install chromium
[15:26] <BUGabundo> zanus: that's from what ppa?
[15:26] <BUGabundo> zanus: $ apt-cache policy chromium-browser | pastebinit
[15:28] <yofel> chromium pulls the font in I guess
[15:28] <zanus> http://pastebin.com/h2Yp9hsG
[15:29] <yofel> zanus: can you edit the file (sudo) and replace 'set -e' with 'set -ex' so the script becomes verbose? and then try to remove the font again
[15:31] <zanus> (Reading database ... 75%E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault.
[15:31] <hobgoblin> hi - anyone having trouble getting amarok to run in meerkat - upgraded and updated from lucid
[15:31] <yofel> o.O
[15:32] <yofel> zanus: can you pastebin the file again?
[15:32] <zanus> http://pastebin.com/inYFcT8r
[15:33] <BUGabundo> anyone seen crisum ?
[15:33] <yofel> BUGabundo: not in a while
[15:33] <BUGabundo> hobgoblin: define trouble
[15:33] <yofel> zanus: that worked fine here..
[15:33] <BUGabundo> usually $ update-manager -d would do it
[15:34] <BUGabundo> yofel: remember my video/audio out of sync prob?
[15:34] <hobgoblin> BUGabundo: not creating a library - had the same in lucid that needed mysql5.1 - not working in meerkat though
[15:34] <yofel> yes
[15:34] <BUGabundo> going with audio-dev ppa fixed it... and it returned today after upgrades :(
[15:34] <yofel> o.O
[15:34] <BUGabundo> *ML
[15:35] <zanus> I still get the "segmentation fault"
[15:35] <BUGabundo> so I can't watch movies with sound now
[15:35] <BUGabundo> how good is that!
[15:36] <yofel> zanus: and you move the flie out of the way  (move it somewhere else) and try to remove the font?
[15:36] <yofel> *can you move the file
[15:39] <zanus> move the file? you mean the .perm file?
[15:39] <zanus> here is what happens when I try to remove
[15:39] <zanus> http://pastebin.com/UmqbKMPt
[15:41] <yofel> E: /var/lib/defoma/locked exists. -> o.O?
[15:41] <yofel> try to do what it says at the end: sudo defoma-reconfigure -f
[15:43] <zanus> I did.. now I get this when I try to remove http://pastebin.com/Kjsc0yuC
[15:43] <Friar> I just did a fresh install of 10.10 and my xchat wont join a server that I know is a good server. It worked all the time in 10.04.
[15:45] <yofel> zanus: ok, I don't know much about fonts, so I don't know what consequences leaving the files there if they are still there will have, but simply deleting the .prerm file should at least get dpkg to work again
[15:45] <zanus> are you sure?
[15:46] <yofel> well, it's the defoma command in the script that makes dpkg fail, once the script is gone it should work again, but I don't know in what state defoma will be left, but I don't know how to fix that either
[15:47] <zanus> I'll move it to ~/Desktop just to be safe
[15:47] <yofel> right
[15:49] <zanus> sweet, it worked
[15:49] <zanus> removal successful
[15:49] <zanus> thx yofel
[15:49] <yofel> you're welcome
[15:53] <Wakko10Warner> Protest the MPAA and DMCA goto http://leetbaka.com/tpb/ ;; please spread the word. The war is on.
[16:06] <Machtin> how can i see why the kernel uses so much CPU?
[16:07] <Gigacore> guys, I got an error stating "Cannot authenticate some packages. Maybe network error" what to do now?
[16:07] <Gigacore> while upgrading
[16:07] <Machtin> cause in htop there's nothing about any process using much cpu.
[16:08] <Machtin> Gigacore: upgrading to meerkat?
[16:08] <Gigacore> yeah.. RC
[16:08] <Machtin> how did you try to upgrade?
[16:08] <Gigacore> using alternative CD
[16:09] <Machtin> oh, i see.
[16:09] <Machtin> not really good at this, but are you on a slow internet connection, or why are you not just upgrading via internet?
[16:10] <Gigacore> my internet is unstable
[16:10] <Machtin> well.. that's not that bad, i'd say, because the packages are downloaded and then installed..
[16:10] <Gigacore> hmm
[16:11] <Gigacore> is there any way to ignore / overcome authentication?
[16:13] <Machtin> guess there has to be one.. but don't ask me how :p
[16:16] <CarlFK> how do I get to the grub menu?
[16:18] <Gigacore> you mean edit it?
[16:19] <CarlFK> no - on boot, what do I hit to get the menu and not it boot the default
[16:23] <CarlFK> is it too late to suggest an advanced option: noisy boot
[16:23] <CarlFK> in the installer
[16:25] <CarlFK> yeah, I guess it is days from release, so feature freeze was a while ago...   whats the name of the next release?
[16:26] <yofel> for grub hold shift pressed on boot, see
[16:27] <yofel> !grub2 > CarlFK
[16:27] <yofel> and the next release is
[16:27] <yofel> !natty
[16:31] <CarlFK> yofel: thanks.  hold Shift down.  I have menu now.
[16:48] <jellington> hey guys, I just updated my netbook to meerkat and was wondering if there is a easy way to add items to the unity launcher?
[16:49] <jellington> i presently am editing entries in gconf-editor at the moment.
[16:55] <donvito2> conky rox
[16:55] <donvito2> :D
[16:59] <CarlFK> does grub2 read /etc/default/gurb, or do I need to run grub-update or something to make the changes take effect?
[17:00] <penguin42> you need to run grub-update
[17:00] <penguin42> or should I say update-grub
[17:05] <androidbruce> anyone notice the font changed a bit with the latest updates?
[17:08] <penguin42> androidbruce: I'm seeing the font in launchpad being different
[17:08] <androidbruce> penguin42, yeah i need to look at the commits
[17:09]  * androidbruce wishes they used github
[17:10] <CarlFK> where are the daily cd images?
[17:12] <CarlFK> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[17:13] <CarlFK> um... that only has the alt installer
[17:27] <CarlFK> penguin42: thanka
[17:29] <yofel> androidbruce: considering that launchpad has the Ubuntu font at the top of the font list in CSS and we got the Ubuntu font is now installed by default launchpad should look different
[17:30] <yofel> s/we got//
[17:30] <penguin42> quite likes it; it's very very lightweight
[18:06] <intrader> Is this the appropriate place for printing problems of 10.10RC? The printer is found, and starts, but the pages output are blank. On 10.04, the same printer works fine.
[18:07] <penguin42> intrader: Yes it is
[18:07] <penguin42> intrader: Which printer?
[18:08] <intrader> penguin42, it s a cups printer attached to a MacOS laptop. The device uri is 'dnssd://HP%20Deskjet%205400%20series%20%40%20Max%20Roxy%E2%80%99s%20MacBook%20(6)._ipp._tcp.local/cups'
[18:09] <penguin42> intrader: Has Ubuntu figured out the right printer type?
[18:09] <intrader> penguin42, this uri is from the Printer Properties page in 10.10RC
[18:10] <penguin42> intrader: Is the printer previously configured; if so I'd try removing the printer and readding it?
[18:10] <intrader> penguin42, printer type? How do I remove the printer and readding it?
[18:11] <penguin42> intrader: If you go to system->administration->printing and right lcick on the printer and go to preferences what does it say for make and model ?
[18:14] <intrader> penguin42, the printer works find from the Mac, and if I boot the 9.04 it worked before - in the settings page, it gives the uri given above, the printer is properly identified in the Printing - localhost page displayed
[18:18] <intrader> penguin42, when I go to Server-->Setting-->'Show printers shared by other systems' I now see two printers with slightly different names
[18:18] <penguin42> intrader: I'd remove both of them and readd them
[18:20] <intrader> penguin42, what do you mean by 'readd them'
[18:21] <penguin42> intrader: Remove them both, then add it as if it was a new printer
[18:22] <penguin42> intrader: Out of interest what were you printing from, I've just had a blank sheet from Gimp
[18:25] <intrader> penguin42, I remove them, and the 'Add' again - it gives the choice of the 'HP Deskjet@ Max Roxy etc.' - Description Cups printer via DNS-SD. Since I have the 'Server-->Settings-->'SHow printers shared by other systems' checked I see two printers with slightly different names.
[18:26] <intrader> penguin42, either of them reach the printer but the pages printed are blank.
[18:26] <penguin42> intrader: What program are you printing from?
[18:26] <thomas82> is there any way to downgrade kernel to 2.6.34 without destroying whole system? :)
[18:27] <penguin42> thomas82: If you install a 2.6.34 kernel it should give you the option to choose in grub - out of interest why?
[18:27] <intrader> penguin42, From a web page, and I also tried the XChat page we are on
[18:27] <thomas82> penguin42: 2.6.35 simply is "unstable" on my system :(
[18:28] <penguin42> thomas82: What happens and how do you know it's the kernel to blame?
[18:28] <thomas82> all the time I got a trouble... every ~30 mins, I'm getting CPU lag... Can't even type on keyboard then..
[18:29] <thomas82> penguin42: I've notice in htop a lot of "red bars" according to htop help, it is kernel...
[18:29] <penguin42> thomas82: Erk; when that happens is there anything in the logs when that happens?
[18:29] <thomas82> also I think there was no such problem on 2.6.34
[18:29] <intrader> penguin42, the print preview is fine - something happens during transmission to the printer.
[18:30] <intrader> penguin42, I must attend to an urgent matter - I will be back in 1/2 hr
[18:30] <thomas82> penguin42: unfortunately nothing in logs, standard CPU usage is log, no disk read/write, plenty of full RAM, no swap etc..
[18:31] <penguin42> thomas82: odd; well yes you could install 2.6.34 or you could go the otherway and try one fo the very latest 2.6.36 dailies
[18:32] <thomas82> penguin42: yeah, maybe I'll try 2.6.36 first, thanks!
[18:32] <penguin42> thomas82: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/
[18:32] <thomas82> penguin42: or maybe you know any other way how to track high System Load ( >20 )
[18:33] <penguin42> thomas82: Well, I would run vmstat 1  and look at the output and see if it's doing a lot of disk io or what
[18:43] <thomas82> penguin42: thank you, i'll try it.. However I think that default CPU Scheduler in kernel may cause it.. I'll check which one was in 10.04 and maybe will change it if in 10.10 is different..
[18:46] <penguin42> thomas82: I doubt if it's the scheduler - a scheduler shouldn't cause 30 second pauses!
[18:46] <penguin42> thomas82: You could switch scheduler as well fairly easily
[18:46] <murlidhar> i am using an application font that is in bold but qt4 apps fonts are not in bold in maverick
[18:47] <murlidhar> in lucid it was fine.
[18:47] <murlidhar> a bug is needed to be submitted ?
[18:47] <thomas82> penguin42: Do you know if its possible without kernel recompilation?
[18:47] <penguin42> thomas82: Yes it is
[18:48] <oxymoron> Whats new in Maverick compared to Lucid? DO we get any solid changes this time or failure as before?
[18:48] <penguin42> oxymoron: We have shotwell instead of f-spot (which is actually quite neat), open radeon drivers are getting more stable IMHO and erm a new font - and general newness
[18:48] <sda> Ciao a tutti, question: I have some problem with ubuntu, now I'm running 10.10, I start with the most important: My Svideo is a Ati X1700, I need it works in powersafe mode, I don't need it uses all this energy especially with battery. I know the solution is inside Kernel 2.6.35, how can I check?
[18:48] <murlidhar> lucid was not a failure oxymoron
[18:49] <murlidhar> murlidhar@desktop:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:49] <TSK> In what way could lucid be considered a failure?  It's been working stable enough for me thus far.
[18:49] <murlidhar> [sudo] password for murlidhar:
[18:49] <murlidhar> Reading package lists... Done
[18:49] <murlidhar> Building dependency tree
[18:49] <murlidhar> Reading state information... Done
[18:49] <murlidhar> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:50] <murlidhar> 3 not fully installed or removed.
[18:50] <murlidhar> After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[18:50] <murlidhar> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[18:50] <murlidhar> Setting up linux-image-2.6.35-22-generic (2.6.35-22.33) ...
[18:50] <murlidhar> Running depmod.
[18:50] <murlidhar> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-22-generic
[18:50] <murlidhar> E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/iscan failed with return 1.
[18:50] <Ken8521> murlidhar, stop copy/pasting that long of a bunch of crap
[18:50] <murlidhar> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-22-generic
[18:50] <murlidhar> Failed to create initrd image.
[18:50] <murlidhar> dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.35-22-generic (--configure:(
[18:50] <murlidhar>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[18:50] <murlidhar> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-generic:
[18:50] <murlidhar>  linux-image-generic depends on linux-image-2.6.35-22-generic; however:
[18:50] <murlidhar>   Package linux-image-2.6.35-22-generic is not configured yet.
[18:50] <murlidhar> dpkg: error processing linux-image-generic (--configure:(
[18:50] <murlidhar>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[18:50] <murlidhar> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-generic:
[18:50] <murlidhar>  linux-generic depends on linux-image-generic (= 2.6.35.22.23); however:
[18:50] <murlidhar>   Package linux-image-generic is not configured yet.
[18:50] <Ken8521> isn't there a floodbot here?
[18:50] <murlidhar> dpkg: error processing linux-generic (--configure:(
[18:50] <murlidhar>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[18:50] <murlidhar> No apport report written because the error message indicates its a followup error from a previous failure.
[18:50] <murlidhar>                                                                                                           No apport report written because the error message indicates its a followup error from a previous failure.
[18:50] <murlidhar>                                  Errors were encountered while processing:
[18:50] <TSK> PasteBin FTW, murlidhar
[18:50] <murlidhar>  linux-image-2.6.35-22-generic
[18:50] <murlidhar>  linux-image-generic
[18:50] <murlidhar>  linux-generic
[18:50] <Ken8521> idiot
[18:50] <murlidhar> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:50] <murlidhar> murlidhar@desktop:~$
[18:50] <murlidhar> sorrrry :(
[18:51] <murlidhar> i was pastebinnin it.
[18:51] <murlidhar> sorry
[18:51] <murlidhar> mistakenly did that.
[18:51] <murlidhar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/504613/
[18:51] <murlidhar> it was a mistake Ken8521
[18:51] <Ken8521> yah right.
[18:51] <murlidhar> i was tryin to paste the url
[18:51] <murlidhar> apparently the url didn't copy
[18:51] <murlidhar> so the earlier copied material was pasted.
[18:51] <Ken8521> so you didn't notice the ton of text in your box before you hit enter?
[18:52] <murlidhar> Ken8521: i use weechat . and it asks to press ctrl+Y to paste.
[18:52] <murlidhar> and i did
[18:52] <penguin42> murlidhar: Can you do dpkg -S /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/iscan ?
[18:52] <oxymoron> penguin42: Whats shotwell? :) I use nVidia so nothing radical there, maybe new nouvau drivers? Except for that, nothing? I only saw new core and pulseaudio by default. Except that its like you dont even have to release anything :P
[18:53] <penguin42> oxymoron: shotwell is a new photo handler to replace f-spot
[18:53] <murlidhar> penguin42: do i try that command ?
[18:53] <penguin42> oxymoron: I don't think there are any wow-omg type of changes in Maverick though
[18:53] <penguin42> murlidhar: Yes and tell me the result
[18:53] <oxymoron> penguin42: I guess its in Gnome. I am using KDE desktop.
[18:53] <TSK> <- KDE user (showFoto)
[18:53] <penguin42> oxymoron: Ah, not tried the newer KDE version; I tend to prefer Gnome but have a look at KDE every so often
[18:53] <oxymoron> penguin42: I dont understand new version if nothing new.
[18:53] <droopal> Hi Can somebody help me with a Network problem, I try to click on Network Icon, and it says unable to mount.
[18:53] <TSK> (digiKam)
[18:54] <murlidhar> penguin42: did and it just came out.. no output. back to the terminal.
[18:54] <penguin42> murlidhar: OK, does that file exist for you?
[18:54] <oxymoron> penguin42: I prefer KDE bigtime before Gnome, especially because of Amarok :) But there still are some problems not fixed in any version of *buntu.
[18:54] <murlidhar> penguin42: err where can i find the file ?
[18:55] <Ken8521> oxymoron, like?... i could never use KDE.. i'd use Windows first
[18:55] <murlidhar> oxymoron: try clementine its a fork of amarok 1.4
[18:55] <penguin42> murlidhar: Well in your error it says E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/iscan failed with return 1. and I've never heard of iscan before and I haven't git ut]
[18:55] <penguin42> got it
[18:56] <Ken8521> or if you really like amarok, use it under Gnome?
[18:56] <TSK> After far too many years of using Windows, you couldn't pay me to touch it with a ten foot pole.
[18:56] <oxymoron> Ken8521: Like graphic issues with resolutions, OpenGL problem with video with Cairo Dock and minor issues here and there. Then nobody changing the crappy app launcher. Its like people seem to like how it works ... which its not.
[18:56] <murlidhar> Ken8521: i like gnome and amarok ..hence i use clementine..
[18:57] <Ken8521> never used clementine, doesn't appear to be in the repos, and i rarely compile from source
[18:57]  * penguin42 should try Maverick KDE again
[18:57] <murlidhar> penguin42: so i am thinking maybe i could install an older kernel maybe... of lucid's.
[18:57] <murlidhar> ?
[18:57] <Ken8521> oxymoron, i dunno, all my systems work fine, have the resolutions i want, etc.
[18:57]  * oxymoron misses out of the box support for iOS 4.1 as well.
[18:57] <penguin42> murlidhar: It's not the kernels problem
[18:57] <penguin42> murlidhar: So, can you pastebin that file?
[18:57] <murlidhar> which file ?
[18:57] <Ken8521> not really sure how you figure the app launcher is crappy, but ok... and yeah, I'm happy w/ Gnome in it's current form.. it's functional, w/o being overly bloated and slow like KDE
[18:58] <oxymoron> Ken8521: Theres appear problem once in awhile in new updates and its not working solid.
[18:58] <TSK> Clementine is a fork of Amarok 1.4 (the GOOD Amarok).  :)
[18:58] <murlidhar> penguin42: ah ok..just a second please.
[18:58] <Ken8521> oxymoron, you make it sound like kde runs swimmingly, kde constantly locks up my systems
[18:58] <sda> can someone help me with my video card powersetup?
[18:58] <oxymoron> Ken8521: Lock up?
[18:58] <Ken8521> constantly
[18:58] <Ken8521> or it's dragging along at a snails pace
[18:59] <TSK> The current KDE4 runs pretty slick for me.  4.0-4.2 was pretty nearly unusable for me tho.  Crashed consistently.
[18:59] <oxymoron> Ken8521: Never lock me. DOlphin (File browser) though crashes once in a while and is really slow.
[18:59] <Ken8521> yeah.. like i said, I'd use Windows before I used KDE, that's how much i dislike it.. thank God for choice.
[19:00] <oxymoron> KDE 4.0 cannot be compared to KDE 4.5 :P But I still miss some things which it doesnt have.
[19:00] <TSK> Ken8521: Agreed.  THAT is the MAIN reason I love Linux so much.  Choice.  :)
[19:00] <murlidhar> penguin42: murlidhar@desktop:~$ dpkg -S /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/iscan
[19:00] <murlidhar> iscan: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/iscan
[19:00] <murlidhar> murlidhar@desktop:~$
[19:00] <Ken8521> TSK, yup... we don't get get stuck w/ a GUI that some corporate bean counter desided was best.
[19:00] <murlidhar> penguin42: that's all i comes.
[19:00] <TSK> Customizability is the second big thing I love about it.  :)
[19:01] <penguin42> murlidhar: Any idea what iscan is? It doesn't seem to be in the package list I have?
[19:01] <murlidhar> nope
[19:01] <oxymoron> Ken8521: Winblows is worse than KDE ... I was forced to install Windows 7 again on my computer because ITUnes doesnt work with VBox, *buntu or anything. But now I cannot access files from my ext4 drives in Winbloews.
[19:01] <murlidhar> let me google it.
[19:01] <Ken8521> you think about all the different GUI's for Linux... and here Windows, supposedly the best operating system their is, only has one... go figure
[19:01] <penguin42> murlidhar: You got an Epson scanner?
[19:01] <Ken8521> oxymoron, thats a matter of opinion, i hate WIndows, but i'd use it before using anything w/ KDE
[19:01] <murlidhar> penguin42: ah yes :)
[19:02] <murlidhar> now i remember i downloaded the drivers for it.
[19:02]  * oxymoron wonders when all OS can cooperate and CREATE ONE single default protocol for partition/file handling.
[19:02] <TSK> Windows 7 is the first nearly tolerable version of Windows I've seen, and even so, I still wouldn't touch Windows if you paid me to.
[19:02] <Ken8521> oxymoron, lol, never..
[19:02] <penguin42> murlidhar: Well it looks to me like that package is broken some how, if you remove it then I think it'll be able to update-initrd etc - but it may break the scanner
[19:02] <murlidhar> and the app i use for it is iscan
[19:02] <murlidhar> penguin42: ok will remove it and see .
[19:03] <oxymoron> Ken8521: Linux can access NTFS, but Windows cannot access ext* ... thats uhm tragic xD
[19:03] <Ken8521> TSK, actualy, i always found XP halfway decent, other than constantly being vulnerable to spyware/malware...
[19:03] <Ken8521> i really never had to many probs w/ it...
[19:03] <murlidhar> penguin42: no problems. i got a lappy that still has lucid.
[19:03] <Ken8521> oxymoron, i tihnk you can install something to help windows read ext3..
[19:03] <TSK> The problem with the idea of "ONE single default protocol for partition/file handling" is that thus far there's no such thing as a filesystem that's perfect for EVERY need/use-case scenario.
[19:03] <oxymoron> I would be glad to not using any computer at all, but I need it for school, work, socials and so on. Then i also need to use one OS and its choosing between pest or kolera.
[19:04] <Ken8521> i keep XP in Vbox on one of my machines for when I gotta have it.. which really is only when I have to sync my zune
[19:04] <oxymoron> Ken8521: Yes, I know but doesnt work for ext4 ...
[19:04] <murlidhar> penguin42: thanks a lot :)
[19:04] <penguin42> no problem
[19:05] <oxymoron> Ken8521: I wasnt able to make Vbox work so I could access files on iPhone 4 with Itunes ... only work in native environment it seems xD
[19:05] <Ken8521> TSK, maybe it's btrfs... who knows
[19:05] <TSK> Ken8521: Only time will tell on that one...  :)
[19:05] <Ken8521> oxymoron, i sync my zune and my nano w/ Vbox..so I see no reason you couldn't sync an iphone
[19:05] <Ken8521> TSK, yup
[19:05] <murlidhar> now there is another thingy which i don't know if i should submit a bug on or not.. penguin42
[19:05] <oxymoron> TSK: We dont need different file handling protocols because everything is just data.
[19:05] <penguin42> murlidhar: If it's broken submit a bug
[19:06] <oxymoron> Ken8521: It didnt work with iPhone iOS 4.1, not sure why.
[19:06] <Ken8521> i could sync my ipod w/ Linux(its an old one), but i figure if i have to have XP in vbox for my Zune, might as well use Itunes for my ipod.
[19:06] <murlidhar> penguin42: actually my desktop and app fonts are set in bold ..but qt apps and qt4-settings don't show the fonts in bold.
[19:06] <Ken8521> oxymoron, dunno, but i've also sync'd my sisters ipod touch w/ it
[19:06] <murlidhar> penguin42: so i am not sure if it is broken or not.
[19:06] <penguin42> it's broken, submit a bug (repeat until all bugs submitted)
[19:06] <Ken8521> thats how i switched her to Linux, i put vbox w/ xp on her machine, and told her to fire it up only when she needed to synch er ipod.
[19:06] <TSK> If btrfs turns out to be the "perfect" filesystem, then comes the hard part.  Convincing Microsoft not to "embrace, extend, extinguish" it.  ;)
[19:07] <oxymoron> Ken8521: Maybe some crappy bug in Winblows 7 then.
[19:07] <Ken8521> maybe, who knows
[19:07] <Ken8521> oxymoron, are you tethering it, or trying to wireless sync it?
[19:07] <murlidhar> penguin42: now where to submit a bug for this thingy ? the app or in ubuntu desktop team ?
[19:07] <murlidhar> qt4 apps.
[19:07] <penguin42> murlidhar: Submit against the individual package if you can
[19:07] <oxymoron> Sigh, wonders when people will learn to make proper hard- and software. Problably never unfortunatly.
[19:07] <oxymoron> Ken8521: USB sync?
[19:07] <Ken8521> yea
[19:08] <Ken8521> oxymoron, are you using the non-free version of Vbox, that allows USB support?
[19:08] <TSK> I had an older iPod nano for a long while that worked great with RockBox on it, and using Amarok to sync it.
[19:08] <oxymoron> Ken8521: I odnt understand why Apple cannot make it open so I can access USB Flash Drive from any computer. They dont have to jail it for Itunes.
[19:08] <Ken8521> TSK, yeah, but the linux ipod sync tools aren't very good IMO.. gtkpod is all right for old ipods(used it w/ my ancient nano for a while)
[19:08]  * penguin42 goes for food
[19:08] <oxymoron> Ken8521: Yes.
[19:09] <oxymoron> TSK: Yes worked for me too. But latest stuff tender not to work on Linux ...
[19:09] <Ken8521> oxymoron, well if thats the case, why can't any multimedia device be like that.
[19:10] <TSK> Ken8521: gtkpod worked okay, but RockBox made my iPod much more usable, as it was just a matter of using it like a USB disk and dumping music files to it.  Amarok found that really simple to accomplish.  :)
[19:10] <oxymoron> Ken8521: Yeah good question, why not make them free. THen they can have the crappy structure on it if they want.
[19:10] <murlidhar> !bugs
[19:10] <Ken8521> TSK, yeah.. i've never rockboxed' a ipod
[19:11] <TSK> RockBox was WAY better'n iPod Linux, imho.
[19:11] <TSK> Plays most every music file format you can think of, and plays mpeg video, even on iPods that supposedly couldn't support video (like the old nano).  :)
[19:12] <Ken8521> TSK, yah, but video on my old 4gig, black and white nano, would not have been very pleasant
[19:13] <intrader> penguin42, Re: printing problems - printer is cups printer attached to MacOs - it is correctly identified by Maverick
[19:13] <TSK> Ken8521: I have one of those.  I've actually been thinking about RockBoxing it, just to see if it works half decent.  :)
[19:13] <Ken8521> lol
[19:13] <TSK> Of course it wouldn't be viable for playing video on, but it might be nice for music.
[19:13] <Ken8521> TSK, i only use my old 4gig nano at the gym.. so i don't really need video, picture, etc.
[19:14]  * oxymoron wonders why he thinks its feels good to track down hard- and software, as well as the whole company business in the world :P
[19:14] <TSK> I just like it because RockBox supports ogg and flac and such.  :)
[19:15] <TSK> And it's nice to be able to just drag and drop music on to the thing in pretty much ANY software that can access the filesystem.
[19:16] <TSK> I also had iPod Linux on the old Nano, but only to boot directly into Doom 2.  Never did use it for music.  RockBox all the way for the music side of things.  ;)
[19:17] <Ken8521> i never used ipod linux
[19:18] <TSK> It wasn't terribly impressive.  Only slightly better than the native iPod OS.  It DID run Doom 2 quite nicely tho.  :)
[19:18] <os2mac> anyone try to use Vboxadditions on Meerkat yet?
[19:18] <intrader> Printing problems - printer is cups printer attached to MacOs - it is correctly identified by Maverick - preview is Ok, but pages (1) are blank. Works fine in 9.04 on same computer (tri boot)
[19:18] <Ken8521> os2mac, no
[19:19] <os2mac> I did a bug search and didn't see any but I definitely have one.
[19:19] <TSK> VirtualBox is uber
[19:19] <Ken8521> i love vbox..
[19:19]  * TSK uses it for "distro-hopping"
[19:20] <Ken8521> yep.
[19:20] <os2mac> when ever I try to install vboxadditions 3.2.8_64453 the display switches to a extremely large ASCII display.
[19:20] <Ken8521> i'm not really sure i even know what vbox additions is..
[19:20] <Ken8521> i've installed guest additions, if thats what you mean.
[19:20] <TSK> Same thing
[19:20] <Ken8521> but i did that from inside virtual XP, and it worke dfine
[19:20] <os2mac> Ken yes... that is the "official" name of the guest additions.
[19:20] <TSK> Little bit of feature enhancement
[19:21] <Ken8521> i like guest additions, because it lets you move the mouse between the two OS's w/o capturing/releasing it.
[19:21] <TSK> Yep
[19:21] <os2mac> and resize the screen.
[19:21] <Ken8521> yeah
[19:21] <TSK> And it enables the other nifty features like "seamless mode"
[19:21] <Ken8521> don't know if it does that on Non Linux guests(never tried to install it on those).. but it works great.
[19:21] <os2mac> this is from OSX to Ubuntu.
[19:22] <os2mac> yeah it does.
[19:22] <Ken8521> os2mac, yeah, i only use vbox for XP, and occasional experimentations w/ other distros
[19:23] <TSK> Last time I tried XP in VBox the "seamless mode" worked.  Haven't tried it in quite a while tho.
[19:23] <TSK> It's kinda wierd tho to have a KDE menu bar AND a Windows taskbar on the same screen.  :)
[19:25] <TSK> Since I gave up hardcore gaming tho, I don't really need Windows anymore.
[19:27] <Ken8521> TSK,  yeah, same here... i have dual screens, so if I need windows in vbox(which is very rare) i just put one on each screen..lol
[19:27] <TSK> Ken8521: Ya.  That'd be the way to do it.  :)
[19:28] <Ken8521> TSK, it works well :)
[19:28] <TSK> I'm using Ubuntu on an HDTV, so I generally just run VBox full screen on one desktop (of the four desktops I have set up on my KDE).
[19:29] <Ken8521> yup.
[19:29] <sda> Ciao a tutti, question: I have some problem with ubuntu, now I'm running 10.04, I start with the most important: My Svideo is a Ati X1700, I need it works in powersafe mode, I don't need it uses all this energy especially with battery. I know the solution is inside Kernel 2.6.35 so I put it on my pc, how can I check my Svideo status??
[19:30]  * TSK doesn't know anything about ATI on Linux.  :(
[19:30]  * Ken8521 doesn't either.
[19:30] <Ken8521> i'm Nvidia only...
[19:31] <TSK> Same here.
[19:31] <TSK> nVidia's always "just worked" for me.
[19:31] <Ken8521> same here.
[19:31] <Ken8521> enable driver, set up my screens, and thats that
[19:31] <TSK> Same
[19:31] <Ken8521> probably not as easy on some other distros.
[19:32] <TSK> It's been pretty good since the DKMS module system.
[19:34] <Tetsuo55> i put apt in chron hourly, but its not doing hourly updates, whenever i open the update manager it says " last updated X hours ago" , the exact time i did a manual check
[19:35] <TSK> Only problem I've had with nVidia is that it doesn't like really strange resolutions like 1440x900 without a bit of hackery to the xorg.conf (adding a modeline).
[19:35] <TSK> Still not sure if that's the fault of xorg or the nvidia driver tho.
[19:35] <the_dark_warrio> I'm experiencing a problem with Xorg. If I run 'less long_file' and keep pressing the down arrow, I can see Xorg consuming 80% of CPU. Is this normal?
[19:36] <intrader> I am looking at printing problem - Printer is cups printer on MacOS  - prints Ok from MacOS OK - Identified properly in print utility on 10.10, the preview is ok - Sends blank pages to printer.
[19:37] <TSK> the_dark_warrio: I can't imagine that Xorg using 80% CPU could ever be normal unless you are running a 3D game or something.
[19:37] <the_dark_warrio> TSK: I'm not running anything, just scrolling some text in less
[19:37] <TSK> the_dark_warrio: Then that's pretty bizarre indeed.
[19:37] <intrader> Used to work OK on 9.04 - some update to 9.04 messed printing
[19:38] <the_dark_warrio> TSK: any tips on how I can provide more info on this?
[19:38] <the_dark_warrio> TSK: maybe this is a problem with the nvidia driver
[19:39] <TSK> the_dark_warrio: Honestly, I wish I had some advice for you.  I've not seen Xorg use that much CPU before even with full desktop effects enabled.
[19:39] <Ken8521> TSK,  http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/dual.jpg
[19:39] <Ken8521> it works well.. even if it looks strange
[19:40] <TSK> Xorg is currently averaging around 3% CPU on my machine with spikes up to the 25% range when I push it hard.
[19:40] <TSK> Ken8521: Right on.  Very nice.  :)
[19:40] <Ken8521> :)
[19:40] <TSK> Pretty stylish wallpaper on the Linux side there.
[19:41] <Ken8521> TSK, i think so.. i got that on gnome-look... really liked it.
[19:41] <the_dark_warrio> TSK: I will try disabling nvidia driver and see if the problem persists
[19:41] <TSK> I just have mine cycle thru my "Amazing Photography" folder in my Pictures folder.  :)
[19:41] <TSK> the_dark_warrio: That's probably a good test to try, aye.
[19:42] <Ken8521> TSK, well, 1 i suck at photography, adn 2.. that can bog a machine down depending on how often it cycles, so..
[19:42] <Ken8521> TSK, how do you make it cycle
[19:42] <TSK> Mine cycles only about every hour or so.
[19:42] <Ken8521> do you use KDE?
[19:43] <TSK> I just point my KDE wallpaper at the picture folder I want it to randomly cycle from.  Pretty sure there's a tiny little tool you can install on Gnome to do the exact same thing tho.
[19:43] <Ken8521> TSK, last night, we were joking about bad wallpapers/setups... and this is the worst i've seen it's my 14yr odl sisters... I RD'd her desktop last night to get this screenshot, but it's awful.. she has to be colorblind  http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/rebecca.jpg
[19:43] <Ken8521> TSK, yeah, i was thinking you used gnome
[19:43] <TSK> I seem to remember reading about something like that on one Linux Journal
[19:44] <Ken8521> like what?
[19:44] <TSK> Oy.  That's gotta be one of the most hideous desktops I've ever seen.  :)
[19:44] <Ken8521> i know
[19:44] <Ken8521> lol.. i don't know how she uses it
[19:45] <Ken8521> but. shes' 14. so..
[19:46] <the_dark_warrio> TSK: yep, disabling nvidia driver fixes the Xorg problem
[19:46] <TSK> Ken8521: Here's an ancient article on how to do random wallpapers on Gnome, but I am sure I read recently somewhere about a really simple tool for Gnome that does it better.
[19:46] <TSK> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7343
[19:46]  * TSK is Googling for it.
[19:47] <Ken8521> hmm, i'll have to check it out.
[19:47] <TSK> the_dark_warrio: Well, that confirms that the problem is definitely nVidia driver related somehow then.
[19:47] <Ken8521> TSK, i might try it..  http://lifehacker.com/400505/rotate-desktop-backgrounds-in-ubuntu
[19:48] <TSK> the_dark_warrio: Might want to diddle around with some of the nVidia specific options in xorg.conf if you feel brave.  :)
[19:48] <TSK> Ken8521: I find that if you don't have it change wallpaper TOO often it's really nice to have it just cycle randomly thru your favorite wallpapers folder.  In my case it's mostly nature photos.  :)
[19:49] <Ken8521> yeah, i actually really like nature shots, just not ones i take.
[19:49] <Ken8521> !info drapes | TSK
[19:49] <TSK> Drapes!  Pretty sure THAT'S the one.
[19:49] <the_dark_warrio> TSK: I will take a look ;)
[19:49] <Ken8521> yeah, i'm installing it now, see how it works
[19:50] <TSK> Not sure where I read about it, but it sounds REALLY familiar.
[19:50] <TSK> LifeHacker and Linux Journal are the two sites I frequently see handy little tips like that tho, so I suspect it was one of those two sites.  :)
[19:51] <androidbruce|net> hey guys i have a question about ssh
[19:52] <Ken8521> TSK, it actually seems to work pretty well.
[19:52] <TSK> Ken8521: Nice.  :)
[19:53] <TSK> Ken8521: Now you just need to fill a folder full of all your very favorite wallpapers.  :)
[19:53] <androidbruce|net>  if i ssh into my machine and start a wget, then close the ssh term will the wget finish it's download?
[19:53] <Ken8521> lol
[19:53] <Ken8521> naa.. i'm still simplistic in nature, i'm fine w/ 1.. i just wanted to see how it worked
[19:53] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Only if you are using "screen".
[19:53] <androidbruce|net> screen?
[19:53] <Ken8521> !screen
[19:54] <androidbruce|net> so i ssh'd into my linux machine from my wife's netbook using putty
[19:54] <yofel> either use screen or nohup
[19:54] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Ya.  What ubottu said.  :)
[19:54] <androidbruce|net> that wget would only finish if i stayed connected?
[19:54] <androidbruce|net> well that's a mother
[19:54] <TSK> androidbruce|net: If you ssh in and then run "screen" then you can start a command and disconnect and it'll still finish the command.
[19:55] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Actually, you could also try running a command with an & at the end.  That "backgrounds" the task.
[19:55] <yofel> well, more accurately it will leave the shell that's wget running in open
[19:55] <androidbruce|net> TSK, hmmm yeah didn't think about that
[19:55] <TSK> MIGHT work
[19:55] <TSK> I tend to stick with "screen" tho, because it lets you reattach to that same console session later if you like.
[19:56] <yofel> no, '&' won't work, as the process will be closed once the shell is gone, use 'nohup' for that
[19:56] <androidbruce|net> would screen work from putty?
[19:56] <TSK> And it lets you switch between multiple screens, too.
[19:56] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Aye.  screen should work from putty, as you run it on the machine you are connecting to.
[19:56] <androidbruce|net> ohh i see yeah
[19:56] <androidbruce|net> wasnt sure if it was like ssh -X
[19:57] <TSK> androidbruce|net: screen + ssh = VERY useful.  :)
[19:57] <androidbruce|net> yeah sounds like it
[19:57] <androidbruce|net> so when i type "screen" it gives me like a man page
[19:58] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: Read it
[19:58] <TSK> The link Ken8521 posted via ubottu gives some handy information to get you started with screen.  :)
[19:58]  * yofel uses byobu on all his pc's 
[19:58] <TSK> byobu is quite good too.
[19:58] <penguin42> anyone seen any reports of problems with shutdown on asus eeepc?
[19:58] <TSK> byobu is an fancy version of screen with some extra features and some pre-set configuration.
[19:58] <androidbruce|net> ahh boybu
[19:59] <androidbruce|net> byobu**
[19:59] <androidbruce|net> cool deal
[19:59] <yofel> penguin42: I can shutdown fine on my 1000H
[19:59] <penguin42> yofel: My 1005HA hangs solid
[20:00] <androidbruce|net> TSK, so right now byobu is running wget
[20:00] <androidbruce|net> if i close the putty window it will continue?
[20:00] <TSK> androidbruce|net: It should, as byobu is just another variety of "screen" with some fancy extra features.  :)
[20:00] <androidbruce|net> TSK, well awesome thanks so much
[20:01] <androidbruce|net> TSK, shoot me a pm with paypal info ill donate a few bucks, i owe you a beer
[20:01] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Notta problem.  ssh is ONE thing I DO happen to know a bit about, as I use it quite frequently myself.  ;)
[20:02] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Hehehe...  If you wanna donate $ to something, give a few bux to some worthy open source project, or any good charity, or just help out someone with an answer to a question later when you hear a question you know the answer to.  ;)
[20:03] <TSK> I help when I'm able because people help ME when they're able.  What goes around comes around.  :)
[20:03] <androidbruce|net> TSK, no probs man
[20:03] <androidbruce|net> you need any android help i can help you out :)
[20:04] <androidbruce|net> im a linux n00b but i have made the switch exclusively to ubuntu/arch for over 7 months now
[20:04] <androidbruce|net> not windows on any machine i use
[20:04] <TSK> I'm seriously thinkin' my next gadget is gonna gotta be the new gPhone.  :)
[20:04] <androidbruce|net> TSK, gPhone? google phone?
[20:04] <TSK> Yep
[20:04] <androidbruce|net> what carrier?
[20:05] <androidbruce|net> US?
[20:05] <TSK> Or maybe I'll get a gPad
[20:05] <androidbruce|net> do not get the galaxy samsung tab
[20:05] <TSK> Google's version of the iPad
[20:05] <androidbruce|net> new tablets comiong q1 that will make it look stupif
[20:05] <androidbruce|net> stupid**
[20:06] <TSK> Any tablet type thing or similar-ish device I get HAS to be open and hackable.  I won't buy any of the latest Apple gadgets because they are trying far too hard to lock them down.
[20:06] <TSK> FAR too pricey for something that I can
[20:06] <TSK> FAR too pricey for something that I can't run my own choice of software on.
[20:08] <TSK> androidbruce|net: As to you bein' a Linux noob, most of us were at one time or another.  I can tell you from experience that the more you learn about Linux, the more you'll find yourself wondering how you ever tolerated using anything else.  ;)
[20:08] <androidbruce|net> TSK,
[20:08] <oxymoron> WOnders if its would be possible to buy a smartphone without any software in the future :D
[20:08] <oxymoron> Hopefully cheaper
[20:09] <TSK> I dual booted between Linux and WinXP for nearly a year before I gave up XP entirely.  That was nearly 8 years ago, and I haven't missed Windows one bit.  :)
[20:10] <Ken8521> TSK, yeah, except about 6yrs for me
[20:10] <TSK> These days I work with Mac users at work and have friends who use Windows, and never have any problems collaborating with them on projects.  Linux does it all these days (except hardcore gaming).  ;)
[20:11] <Ken8521> TSK, while not being hardcore by any stretch... to me, for being free.. Urban Terror is pretty awesome
[20:11] <TSK> This last couple few years have been really exciting for Linux tho.  It's become far more usable than ever before.
[20:11] <TSK> Urban Terror is good.  Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory is really fun, too.
[20:12] <Ken8521> yeah, but that isn't freeware is it?..lol
[20:12] <TSK> Alien Arena is pretty decent, and Nexuiz, too.
[20:12] <Ken8521> yeah, i like both of them to.
[20:12] <TSK> Wolf ET?  Sure is.  ID Software gave it away freely.
[20:12] <Ken8521> i'm not much of a gamer, pretty much only play Urban Terror.
[20:12] <Ken8521> really?.. hmm, might have to try and find it
[20:12] <TSK> And they open sourced the Quake III engine, too.  :)
[20:13] <TSK> I have a lot of respect for ID software for that particular move
[20:13] <Ken8521> yup
[20:14] <TSK> Even as old as it is, the Quake III engine is still to this very day a really excellent 3D game engine.  Silky smooth, great graphics, fantastic map editing tools...
[20:15] <penguin42> Tsk, repeatable; 1001HA hangs on shutdown
[20:15] <TSK> I still have my original Quake III special edition Linux boxed tin with Tux on the front.  :)
[20:15] <Ken8521> lol
[20:15] <TSK> penguin42: 1001HA?
[20:15] <penguin42> Asus eeepc 1001HA
[20:15] <TSK> penguin42: Let me see if my Google skills can find anything about that.  :)
[20:16] <penguin42> TSK: I just filed a bug on it
[20:17] <TSK> Hmmm...  I see a lot about hang on startup and hang on install, but nothing about hang on shutdown.
[20:18] <penguin42> TSK: Trust me to find the odd bug :-)
[20:18] <TSK> Ken8521: Funny thing is I paid $15 for Quake III in a collector's edition tin when the Windows version of it was still selling for $50.  :)
[20:19] <Ken8521> lol
[20:19] <androidbruce|net> the reason i needed to wget was bc my laptop would not boot this am after some updates installed
[20:19] <TSK> penguin42: What are you running on this eeepc?  Ubuntu Maverick?
[20:19] <androidbruce|net> so im downloading the 10.10 rc so i can start over
[20:19] <penguin42> TSK: Yeh just a fresh insall from teh RC
[20:19] <androidbruce|net> so i ssh'd into my desktop so byt the time i got home the iso would be finished
[20:20] <Ken8521> speaking of which, i haven't upgraded in 8hrs..
[20:20] <Ken8521> lol
[20:20] <TSK> penguin42: Well, it's a good time to find bugs like that then.  Surely want stuff like that fixed before Maverick goes "official".  :)
[20:20] <androidbruce|net> init had an issue mounting my boot volume
[20:20] <androidbruce|net> after a 10.10 update
[20:20] <androidbruce|net> :/
[20:21] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: What symptom do you see?
[20:21] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Did it give an error message which might be helpful?
[20:21] <TSK> Over the years I've learned to recover from some pretty scary seeming problems in Linux which would REQUIRE a format and reinstall under Windows.  :)
[20:21] <androidbruce|net> TSK, im not positive i had to run out the door this am
[20:21] <androidbruce|net> but it essentially said, could not mount Boot Volume
[20:22] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: Probably need the full error to help
[20:22] <androidbruce|net> and before that my left ctrl button was stuck as a Compose key
[20:22] <TSK> If you can get more detail on WHY it couldn't mount it might be possible to fix without a reinstall.
[20:22] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: If you have a digi camera then just take a picci of it
[20:22] <magicianlord> Downloading the daily build right now
[20:22] <androidbruce|net> TSK, penguin42 well ill look at it when i get home this afternoon and report back
[20:22] <magicianlord> Should be good, eh
[20:23] <androidbruce|net> ohh is it a good idea to have /boot, /system,/home on sep partitions?
[20:23] <TSK> androidbruce|net: If I'm still on IRC or if I'm back by then I'll see if I can help you diagnose and recover
[20:24] <androidbruce|net> TSK, yeah awesome
[20:24] <androidbruce|net> i tried an fsck -p
[20:24] <androidbruce|net> no dice
[20:24] <androidbruce|net> i tried from a 10.04 live usb iso
[20:24] <TSK> androidbruce|net: I have /boot on a separate partition, and /home also.  Makes them easier to backup and restore, and makes reinstall without loss of data easier, too.
[20:24] <androidbruce|net> TSK, yeah i want to do that with a fresh install, but im not sure how to go about that :/
[20:25] <androidbruce|net> b/c then i could restore /boot and leave /home
[20:25] <TSK> androidbruce|net: You can use the "Advanced" partitioning during the install, or you can use gParted (Gnome GUI for parted) or kde partition manager (KDE GUI for parted) to create/resize the partitions BEFORE installing.  Whichever you prefer.
[20:27] <TSK> androidbruce|net: There's also a nice LiveCD you can download called PartedMagic
[20:27] <magicianlord> do it during install
[20:27] <magicianlord> boot partition: 100mb, swap 256mb, / 15000mb, /home rest
[20:27] <androidbruce|net> yeah so during the ubuntu installation there are options to do so?.
[20:28] <androidbruce|net> i have a 160gb drive in my laptop, what should i allocate where?
[20:28] <androidbruce|net> 3gb of ram
[20:28] <TSK> During install is the easiest, but Parted Magic is a nice CD to have laying around just for those odd times you want to resize/modify partitions on an already installed machine for whatever reason.  :)
[20:28] <androidbruce|net> TSK, yeah ive booted with live cd and used gparted before
[20:28] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: ~100-200mb for /boot at the beginning, then say 30G for /, 2GB swap and the rest for home
[20:29] <androidbruce|net> ok so im know how android fs is layed out, /boot /system /cache /data is this similar in Ubuntu?
[20:29] <TSK> Ya.  /home should be the largest partition, and /boot should be the smallest.  Anything much over 100-200 meg is excessive for /boot.
[20:29] <androidbruce|net>  /boot is kernel correct?
[20:29] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: There is no /system
[20:29] <yofel> kernel and grub
[20:29] <androidbruce|net> penguin42, gotcha ok
[20:30] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Like penguin42 said
[20:30] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: Yeh, /boot for kernel, / for most system files, /home for your own stuff
[20:30] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: Any packages you install will most likely go on /
[20:30] <androidbruce|net> penguin42, yeah so i need / to be large
[20:30] <TSK>  /boot is kernel and grub files
[20:30] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: Yeh, don't make it too small, similarly don't be too mean with /boot when you have a few kernel versions
[20:31] <androidbruce|net> and if init fails or kernel panics you can just restore /boot from a live iso
[20:31] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: Shouldn't need to
[20:31] <androidbruce|net> shouldn't need to?
[20:31] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: /boot keeps a few of the older kernels and you can pick it during boot
[20:31] <androidbruce|net> penguin42, ahh i see yeah my desktop has TONS of other kernel versions in grub
[20:32] <TSK> The / partition contains /usr (where most packages get installed to) and /var (where most "transient" data lives), so / should be more than 10 gig, but less than 50 to ensure you have space for all the software you might ever install, but you can always resize it later, too if you need to.
[20:32] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: Yeh you can clear most of them out, good to have one or two older versions to fall back on
[20:32] <yofel> !fhs
[20:32] <androidbruce|net> i want to eventually configure a RAID 5 with two ssd's and have /boot /home separate partitions
[20:32] <TSK> You totally want to have a ton of space in /home tho, because that's where all your data (videos, music, documents, etc) will live.
[20:32] <androidbruce|net> TSK, yeah gotcha
[20:32] <penguin42> androidbruce|net: Well, RAID 1 if you've got two
[20:33] <androidbruce|net> ohh ha sorry i said 5
[20:33] <androidbruce|net> lol
[20:33] <androidbruce|net> yeah just Raid 1 mirrored
[20:33] <androidbruce|net> for redundancy purposes
[20:33] <magicianlord> who has been testing mm?
[20:33] <androidbruce|net> mm?
[20:33] <TSK> I've had around 20-30 gig / partitions before and never managed to fill them up completely, even with a godlike amount of software installed, so...  :)
[20:34] <TSK> Maverick Meerkat?
[20:34] <magicianlord> corrct
[20:34] <androidbruce|net> TSK, im excited to freshly install 10.10 and have sep partitions :-D
[20:34] <TSK> This is the Ubuntu+1 channel, so probably most of us here have at least tried it.  ;)
[20:34] <androidbruce|net> my laptop is like my test machine, and then once i learn i move those functions to my workstation
[20:35] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Heheheh...  I tend to be kinda brave these days.  My main workstation is my "test machine".  ;)
[20:36] <androidbruce|net> TSK, well i guess i could do that and use my vps for work
[20:36] <androidbruce|net> haha
[20:37] <TSK> Back when Mandriva Linux was switching over to the new modular xorg and KDE 4.0 my machine broke so bad that I was stuck at a non-graphical console for a week.  I learned a LOT about Linux during that week.  :)
[20:37] <androidbruce|net> TSK, i kind of dove in head first with my linux journey and got my laptop,workstation and ubuntu server vps all in a month
[20:38] <androidbruce|net> so my vps is my znc bouncer and it runs subsonic and lets me learn how to never use a gui
[20:38] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Well, the main thing about Linux that I've learned is that 99% of things that would REQUIRE a reinstall on Windows can be fixed WITHOUT a reinstall on Linux if you are patient enough.  :)
[20:38] <androidbruce|net> so ssh "screen" is an awesome thing to learn.
[20:38] <androidbruce|net> TSK, yea :/ that's where i am with my laptop at home right now
[20:38] <magicianlord> do you have a separate /home partition? that is preferable with the requied 6-month ubuntu reinstalls
[20:38] <TSK> screen and byobu are truly fantastic tools, and ssh just can't be beat for remote administration.
[20:38] <yofel> androidbruce: ssh + screen is one of the most useful things when configuring a server ;)
[20:39] <androidbruce|net> magicianlord, that's my next project
[20:39] <androidbruce|net> i also want to make some images of my workstation so i have backups
[20:39] <magicianlord> i have a spare netbook that i might install mm on and do the /home partition
[20:39] <androidbruce|net> but i don't want to use ghost
[20:39] <androidbruce|net> so ive been researching dd
[20:39] <yofel> you don't exaclty *need* a seperate /home, as ubiquity deletes system files if it finds any on the installation location
[20:39] <magicianlord> right now it's running arch, which is better, but i like to test out the 6 month ubu releases
[20:39] <yofel> but it's cleaner when reinstalling, yes
[20:39] <TSK> There's no such thing as a "required" reinstall on Linux.  I tend to go ahead and do the "rolling upgrade".  :)
[20:40] <magicianlord> ok yuffie
[20:40] <androidbruce|net> TSK, yeah i gotcha
[20:40]  * yofel only reinstalls when he changes something about the partitioning
[20:40] <androidbruce|net> if i dd a drive to an .iso how would i restore that?
[20:40] <magicianlord> if you dont reinstall, you can an unclean upgrade
[20:41] <TSK> These days I only reinstall on a "bare metal" new machine.
[20:41] <yofel> magicianlord: the packages should manage that, if they don't, they're broken, and transitional packages don't break anything
[20:41] <magicianlord> should, but wouldnt count on it
[20:42] <yofel> well, I know enough about the package manager to fix most other cases
[20:42] <yofel> right, one other thing to learn when testing ubuntu devel releases: learn to use dpkg commands!
[20:42] <TSK> My automated backup cron job keeps a "time-machine" style backup of changes I make to /etc files, and everything else I know what to move out of the way before upgrades and just put critical bits back after a nice clean rolling distro upgrade.
[20:42] <yofel> you'll need them :P
[20:43] <magicianlord> need them for what
[20:43] <magicianlord> install the wifi packages with the alternate installer separately? yes
[20:43] <yofel> magicianlord: fix packages that are broken, had to use them more than one time already
[20:43] <drbobb> hi, what's the status of broadcom wifi in maverick?
[20:43] <yofel> then again, I'm an alpha tester, much more breakage there
[20:43] <TSK> yofel: Yep.  Sounds like you know how it goes...  ;)
[20:43] <intrader> I am looking at printing problem - Printer is cups printer on MacOS  - prints Ok from MacOS OK - Identified properly in print utility on 10.10, the preview is ok - Sends blank pages to printer.
[20:45] <TSK> intrader: Just out of curiosity, if you share the printer via SMB/CIFS (Windows style printer sharing) from the Mac OS machine, can you print to it successfully?  We had to do that once with a Xerox printer at work one time.
[20:46] <duffydack> drbobb, my 4312 is working fine with STA, if that means anything
[20:46] <drbobb> duffydack: what's STA?
[20:46] <duffydack> drbobb, proprietary
[20:47] <drbobb> proprietary what?
[20:47] <duffydack> drbobb, the 'free' driver doesnt support my card now
[20:47] <duffydack> drbobb, its the driver from broadcom, not the free one
[20:47] <duffydack> tbh, the free one has never worked properly anyway.  good riddance
[20:48] <androidbruce|net> what's the difference between update manager and update manager -d?
[20:48] <intrader> TSK, I have not been able to share that printer with my Windows OS machines. The printer printed until a couple of days ago on 9.04. 9.04 must have received an update to break the printer. 10.10 and 9.04 behave the same now
[20:48] <androidbruce|net> and when why would you do an sudo apt-get update?
[20:48] <duffydack> 'development release'
[20:49] <TSK> androidbruce|net: update-manager -d checks for a distro upgrade I believe?
[20:49] <drbobb> duffydack: true that, in lucid I had to go back to ndiswrapper to make my 4318 work
[20:49] <androidbruce|net> gotcha
[20:49] <TSK> androidbruce|net: 'sudo apt-get update' updates the package list from the package repository servers (lists the latest package versions available).
[20:49] <intrader> TSK, Windows in general does not mix well with MacOS or linux
[20:50] <TSK> androidbruce|net: And apt-get upGRADE upgrades currently installed packages to the latest versions available.
[20:50] <androidbruce|net> TSK, ahh awesome
[20:50] <androidbruce|net> anyone else get samba crashes regularly since 10.10?
[20:50] <yofel> androidbruce, TSK: actually -d is short for --devel-release, as upgrades to maverick aren't shown otherwise
[20:51] <TSK> intrader: Odd.  We have Windows, Mac OS X, AND Linux machines at work that all work together happily, and I manage the whole network remotely from my Linux box at home.
[20:51] <TSK> yofel: Thank you.  :)
[20:51] <intrader> TSK, cups has always worked until now. Now I get blank pages from either 9.04 or 10.10. Good, I have not made the effort as MacOS and Linux play Ok (as to the cups printer)
[20:52] <yofel> TSK, androidbruce: and apt-get upgrade upgrades the packages, but will not install or remove packages if a package requires it, but instead hold it back, dist-upgrade will install/remove packages to satisfy dependencies
[20:52] <TSK> intrader: It took some doing getting our ONE Windows machine to talk to all the Macs and the Linux box in the back room at work, but once it was all configured right it never had a problem since.
[20:52] <androidbruce|net> TSK, you saved my life with byobu/screen
[20:53] <androidbruce|net> yofel, thanks a lot
[20:53] <androidbruce|net> TSK, i just logged back in and i see that byobu is hard at work downloading with wget, it saves the previous session :)
[20:53] <intrader> TSK, that is great feat as far as I am concerned - good for you.
[20:53] <TSK> androidbruce|net: I totally love screen, and ssh too.  I regularly use SSH to tunnel network ports from machines at work to my home workstation.  :)
[20:54] <yofel> androidbruce: 'saved' is not really accurate, it leaves the session running, you just disconnect your terminal from it
[20:54] <androidbruce|net> TSK, i would LOVE to eventually have a vps and use that as my primary machine and work in the 'cloud' all the time
[20:54] <androidbruce|net> yofel, ahh good point, i could kill it with ssh if i needed?
[20:54] <yofel> what's a vps?
[20:54] <androidbruce|net> virtual private server
[20:54] <yofel> ah
[20:55]  * yofel has a broken notebook working as a home server
[20:55] <androidbruce|net> usually they are vm's that you pay monthly for bandwidth,storage
[20:55] <TSK> androidbruce|net: If you use SSH a lot, you may want to check into a neat little toy 'gstm' for a really handy GUI to manage SSH tunnels conveniently.
[20:55] <androidbruce|net> TSK, will do
[20:55] <yofel> right, didn't remember for a moment, but that's what ec2 is right?
[20:55] <androidbruce|net> ec2?
[20:56] <androidbruce|net> i would love to browse and use ssh -x to do everything from my vps
[20:56] <yofel> androidbruce: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/
[20:56] <TSK> Personally, I just have a series of scripts I use for remote management, but when I first got started using SSH regularly, gstm was really great for tunneling VNC and file sharing and several other network services via SSH.
[20:56] <androidbruce|net> but right now my connection from home isn't nearly fast enough for that to be efficient
[20:56] <androidbruce|net> yofel, yes that is sort of a vps
[20:57] <androidbruce|net> that would work for cloud computing i suppose
[20:57] <androidbruce|net> that ec2 is nice b/c it's tiered and charges you depending on use
[20:58] <yofel> androidbruce: and right, you can kill screen from another ssh session if you need
[20:58] <yofel> that will kill all shells that are running in that screen session
[20:58] <androidbruce|net> yofel, can you have screen run a task then kill itself when done?
[20:58] <intrader> I am looking at printing problem - Printer is cups printer on MacOS  - prints Ok from MacOS OK - Identified properly in print utility on 10.10, the preview is ok - Sends blank pages to printer.
[20:59] <TSK> androidbruce|net: ssh -XC enables compression, if that helps any.
[20:59] <androidbruce|net> intrader, have you tried printing directly to that printer from 10.10?
[20:59] <androidbruce|net> TSK, ooooooh nice :)
[20:59] <intrader> Sorry to repeat - I thought I was left hanging there
[20:59] <yofel> well, you could probably use screen with only one shell, and use 'command && logout' which will close the shell if the command completes successfully, and since there are no open shells anymore screen will exit
[21:00] <androidbruce|net> yofel, gotcha
[21:00] <intrader> androidbruce|net: I can't, the printer is connects to the the mac
[21:00] <yofel> I find 'nohup command' easier for those cases though, which doesn't require screen
[21:00] <androidbruce|net> intrader, could you move it? just to see if the driver is correct
[21:00] <TSK> intrader: As long as you don't repeat your question TOO frequently, it's probably a good idea to repeat it once in a while, just in case anyone newly arrived in the channel hasn't seen it yet and may know the answer.  ;)
[21:00] <androidbruce|net> yofel, not sure about "nohup command"
[21:00] <yofel> if will close the shell and just leave that one command running with stdout redirected to the nohup.out file
[21:01] <yofel> androidbruce: see man nohup
[21:01] <androidbruce|net> yofel, ok
[21:01] <yofel> then again, the manpage is pretty technical
[21:01] <intrader> androidbruce|net: I should be able to talk to the cups server on the mac - I just don't have the IP address of the mac - only its name. The cups printer is accessible from 10.10 - it just prints blank pages
[21:01] <TSK> intrader: androidbruce|net had a good suggestion there.  Maybe physically connect the printer directly to your Linux box and see if it prints correctly.  Then if it does you can be sure that you are using the right printer driver from that end of things.
[21:02] <androidbruce|net> intrader, b/c to me if you can send jobs to the printer communication is fine
[21:03] <androidbruce|net> so it would be a driver issue on the linux machine not telling the printer what to print
[21:03] <androidbruce|net> but then again im no expert
[21:03] <TSK> androidbruce|net: Sounds pretty logical to me.  :)
[21:04] <intrader> androidbruce|net: 'b/c'?  - communication is fine - 10.10 discovers the printer ok and talks to the cups server on the mac ok, but just get blank pages
[21:04] <androidbruce|net> b/c=because
[21:04] <TSK> We ended up having to install a PPD file from Xerox to fix our printing issue at work.
[21:04] <androidbruce|net> TSK, gross Xeros :/
[21:04] <androidbruce|net> Xerox**
[21:04] <yofel> androidbruce: actually, just remembered, you would have to run 'nohup command &' so you can continue to use the shell after that, screen is usually more convenient
[21:04] <TSK> PPD = Postscript Printer Definition or somesuch like that...
[21:04] <androidbruce|net> yeah i like screen yofel
[21:05] <androidbruce|net> oh hey if you guys have twitter it would be cool to have more ubuntu folks there, my name is @androidbruce if you follow ill refollow
[21:05] <androidbruce|net> no pressure :)
[21:05] <intrader> androidbruce|net: I think it would introduce another variable (a driver on the 10.10  for the printer). The cups server is running OK on the mac. I can print from an OLPC XO with no problem.
[21:05] <TSK> Ya.  We've since replaced the Xerox with a MUCH nicer Canon machine which does more for less money.  :)
[21:05] <androidbruce|net> TSK, very true i like canon
[21:05] <yofel> another usecase for screen on your local machine: run apt-get in it will continue to do it's work even if X crashes ;)
[21:06] <TSK> The toner for the new machine is cheaper, too.  And lasts longer.
[21:06] <magicianlord> why doesn't cannon provide debs for installing their scanning software properly?
[21:06] <TSK> yofel: Ooo!  GOOD idea!
[21:06] <androidbruce|net> intrader, im not too sure br0
[21:06] <androidbruce|net> yofel, why would x crash when running apt-get?
[21:06] <androidbruce|net> magicianlord, they have source?
[21:07] <yofel> androidbruce: there are ton of reasons why X *might* crash, and the law of murphy already declares that it will choose the worst possible time to do so
[21:07] <intrader> androidbruce|net, TSK: mine is just a lowly HP Deskjet 5400 that keep on going.
[21:07] <androidbruce|net> yofel, why would x crashes cause apt-get to fail?
[21:08] <androidbruce|net> yofel, sorry n00b here
[21:08] <TSK> Not that X is likely to crash or anything, but IF it did (and it COULD, even if highly unlikely) then apt-get running in screen makes sure the task will finish regardless, and you can reconnect to that screen session from any console or ssh session.  :)
[21:08] <ChogyDan> androidbruce|net: maybe OOM?
[21:08] <androidbruce|net> ChogyDan, ?
[21:09] <androidbruce|net> ChogyDan, ohhh
[21:09] <androidbruce|net> to free up memory
[21:09] <yofel> androidbruce|net: if you have a terminal open with apt-get running, and X crashes, it will kill the terminal, which kills the shell, which kills apt-get and leaves your packages in an inconsistent state
[21:09] <TSK> intrader: You do for certain have the correct HP drivers installed on the Linux end of things?
[21:09] <androidbruce|net> yofel, ahhh so running screen from that machine will run apt-get w/o the use of the terminal which relies on X?
[21:09] <yofel> if you're currently upgrading the kernel, this can end bad
[21:10] <intrader> TSK, I never had to do that - that is insulated by the cups server, I think
[21:10] <androidbruce|net> so running screen is similar to pressing alt-f2 and running your commands?
[21:10] <yofel> androidbruce|net: well, it will keep apt-get running in screen, so it will continue it's work, you can restart X and just open a new terminal and reconnect to screen
[21:10] <TSK> androidbruce|net: BTW, if you like working from a terminal, check into Yakuake (KDE) or Guake (Gnome) for a nice hotkey'd drop-down terminal always handy when you need it.  :)
[21:11] <androidbruce|net> TSK, hmmm i use gnome-do..no good?
[21:11] <androidbruce|net> TSK, you guys are skr8 sch00ling this n00b
[21:11] <yofel> androidbruce|net: guake is more a replacement for gnome-terminal, drop-down style
[21:12]  * yofel uses yakuake since he uses KDE
[21:12] <androidbruce|net> yofel, ok cool......not too sure what drop-down style means
[21:12] <intrader> TSK, seems to me that the cups server expects the documents in some transportable form and the linux does not need a driver (I think). The OLPC XO machine running sugar on Fedora had no problems communicating to the cups server and printing
[21:12] <yofel> androidbruce|net: you press a key, and the terminal comes sliding down from the top of the screen ;)
[21:12] <ChogyDan> it is like all those 3d shooters, al la, Quake
[21:12] <TSK> androidbruce|net: gnome-do is a nice little quick launcher, but Yakuake/Guake puts a terminal on a hotkey (usually F12) anytime you need it.  :)
[21:12] <androidbruce|net> yofel, i see i see
[21:13] <androidbruce|net> TSK, that sounds very cool, but also sounds like a waste of good ram..;)
[21:13] <JEEB> guake was nice when I was using it lol
[21:13] <TSK> The hotkey of course is configurable, as is the speed and appearance of the terminal.  :)
[21:14] <TSK> androidbruce|net: It's NEVER a waste of RAM to have a terminal instantly available when the need arises for a quick "ssh office" to help the n00bs at work with something...  ;)
[21:14] <androidbruce|net> TSK, hahah touche
[21:14] <androidbruce|net> im looking at byobu right now, how would i get out of this and go back to $? ctrl+c?
[21:15] <magicianlord> exit
[21:15] <TSK> Seriously, tho...  I use the terminal so frequently throughout my day that having it always handy is just a requirement for me.  :)
[21:15] <magicianlord> you type exit to leave screen
[21:15] <androidbruce|net> magicianlord, not working
[21:15] <magicianlord> with /
[21:15] <androidbruce|net> just keeps reloading the current wget
[21:15] <magicianlord> ctrl+c quits current action
[21:16] <androidbruce|net> but will ctrl+c keep screen's task going?
[21:16] <duffydack> how can I use mouse gesture to access guake (f12 key) ?
[21:16] <magicianlord> what
[21:16] <yofel> well, actually you type ctrl+a ctrl+d to disconnect from it, or for byobu press f6, and it will automatically exit once you close the last shell, to exit a shell, use exit, logout, or ctrl+d
[21:17] <TSK> androidbruce|net: You know how the console drops down from the top of the screen in Urban Terror/Quake/Wolfenstein when you press `/~ key for console commands?  That's Yakuake/Guake on F12, only with bash instead.  :)
[21:17] <androidbruce|net> TSK, haha NICE
[21:17] <androidbruce|net> sudo apt-get ing now
[21:17] <drbobb> what's a kde version of that?
[21:17] <drbobb> I mean the dropdown console
[21:17] <TSK> duffydack: I've actually never tried to access it with a mouse gesture before.  I imagine it's possible somehow tho.
[21:18] <androidbruce|net> ok guys thanks so much
[21:18] <TSK> drbobb: Yakuake is the KDE version
[21:18] <androidbruce|net> gotta get going
[21:18] <drbobb> TSK: ok thx
[21:18] <androidbruce|net> will def bbl
[21:18] <androidbruce|net> :)
[21:18] <TSK> drbobb: Guake is the Gnome equivalent of the same thing.  :)
[21:18] <weboide> My usual (from Lucid) apt-pinning in /etc/apt/preferences does not seem to be considered when installing a pinned package using apt-get. any way to debug that?
[21:18] <androidbruce|net> always nice to get schooled by nice dudes
[21:18] <androidbruce|net> thanks again
[21:18] <TSK> androidbruce|net: You have a good day, sir.  :)
[21:18] <drbobb> TSK: yeah I know guake, been using gnome lately
[21:19] <TSK> It's a MUST-have tool for anyone who uses the console ALL the time like I do.  :)
[21:19] <magicianlord> which tool
[21:19] <yofel> TSK: agreed :D
[21:19] <TSK> Guake/Yakuake.  :)
[21:20] <intrader> I am getting an error from DBus when I go to 'Places-->Network' ; my aim is to discover the IP address of the MacOS machine so that I could access the cups server there
[21:20] <TSK> I generally set the animation speed for it to "instant" so it appears right away with no delay when I hit the key for it.  :)
[21:21] <TSK> intrader: Do you have physical access to the Mac?  You could walk over and have a peek at it's network settings maybe?
[21:21] <intrader> TSK, my wife is sleeping by it - I don't want to disturb her.
[21:22] <TSK> intrader: Or if you are familiar with the commandline, you can always run a fast 'nmap' scan of your local network to find out the IP addresses of all hardware on your LAN.
[21:22] <magicianlord> what are the changes of canonical closing ubuntu and making it mostly closed source for profits eventually?
[21:23] <TSK> magicianlord: I rather doubt that'll ever happen.  Too much of Ubuntu relies on GPL software.
[21:23] <duffydack> not much...
[21:23] <duffydack> 'free and will always be free'
[21:23] <intrader> TSK, `nmap` command not found - is that not the same that Places-->Network' does?
[21:24] <TSK> intrader: nmap isn't generally installed by default on most distros. You'd have to apt-get install it.
[21:24] <magicianlord> duffydack: they are moving toward profit. ubuntu software center now offers paid-for linux apps, and the installer and such as not being shared by them with the community
[21:24] <TSK> intrader: It's a network scanning tool, usually used for security scanning to test your firewall rules if you are really nerdy commandline hacker type.  :)
[21:25] <duffydack> nothing wrong with making money
[21:25] <duffydack> doesnt mean the OS will stop being free
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[21:25] <TSK> magicianlord: Most distros have custom software they keep to themselves.  Not surprising that Ubuntu is finally starting to do a bit of the same.
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> anyone noticed how CTRL+L and the 'clear' command don't clear terminal windows??
[21:26] <TSK> magicianlord: GPL software will always be GPL software tho.  They can't close that without violating the license.
[21:26] <TSK> magicianlord: They have a right to keep anything they create from scratch closed if they want to tho.
[21:26] <yofel> ActionParsnip: clear works fine here, and ctrl+l doesn't work since I use bash in vi mode, not emacs mode
[21:26] <trism> ActionParsnip: no, working here
[21:27] <magicianlord> TSK: yes
[21:27] <alex_mayorga> got some funky messages and video garbage when this laptop was resuming from suspenssion
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> hmm, just clan installed maverick using the rc
[21:27] <alex_mayorga> what's the best way to file a bug?
[21:27] <weboide> Can someone check that apt-pinning: http://pastebin.com/uapDib6N , it does not seem to work in Maverick (though it shows up in apt-cache policy), compared to Lucid.
[21:27] <TSK> Ctrl-L and 'clear' both work here, too.
[21:27] <intrader> TSK, what command should I use in nmap?
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> !bug | alex_mayorga
[21:27] <yofel> !bug | alex_mayorga
[21:27] <yofel> heh
[21:27] <alex_mayorga> yofel: thanks! What package?
[21:27] <alex_mayorga> ACPI?
[21:28] <alex_mayorga> !ACPI
[21:28] <yofel> alex_mayorga: for resume usually ther kernel, 'linux'
[21:29] <TSK> intrader: 'man nmap' for starters.  It's a VERY powerful network scanner.  Does quite a few really neat things.
[21:29] <alex_mayorga> yofel: would it be a valid bug, the thing did resume, so it's not that bad I guess, there are weird messages in dmesg
[21:29] <magicianlord> is MM safe to install on a netbook at this point?
[21:29] <penguin42> magicianlord: It seems mostly ok on my Asus 1001HA although it hangs on shutdown
[21:30] <yofel> alex_mayorga: as long as you can provide the messages it won't hurt if you report it
[21:30] <TSK> intrader: Near the bottom of the nmap manpage are several examples of common scan types it's often used for.
[21:30] <intrader> TSK, I was looking at that and can't figure what options to use or issue.
[21:30] <magicianlord> what's the grub command to blacklist the broadcome b43/ssb drivers so the machine starts up properly, which was a problem on lucid
[21:30] <yofel> magicianlord: mm works fine on my desktop, my eeePC 1000H and my thinkpad t510
[21:30] <magicianlord> is it blacklist=ssb
[21:30] <alex_mayorga> yofel, how can I tell if it was hibernate or suspend?
[21:30] <TSK> intrader: I think there's also a few different GUIs you can install to simplify usage of it, too.
[21:31] <magicianlord> i dont even understand why ssb and b43 continue to be included, as they always have to be removed to not cause problems with the real broadcom driver and haver never worked
[21:31] <yofel> alex_mayorga: did you see the bios screen and grub menu (if enabled) on resume? if yes, it was hibernate
[21:31] <TSK> intrader: NmapSI, knmap, umit, and others
[21:32] <intrader> TSK, 'initiating Parallel DNS resolution of 4096 hosts' - is that what I want to do?
[21:32] <alex_mayorga> yofel: thanks I saw VAIO flash, so that was hibernate
[21:33] <TSK> Wow.  4096 hosts?  Sounds like you are scanning quite a huge range of addresses there.
[21:33] <TSK> intrader: Also, it maybe shouldn't be needing to do any DNS resolution.  You'll be wanting to scan your local network by IP address range.
[21:34] <TSK> intrader: ifconfig can tell you about what IP address the machine you are sitting at has, then you'll want to scan the 255 addresses in that range for which other ones have active machines on them.
[21:34] <intrader> TSK, how please - I need to kill this other scan
[21:34] <TSK> intrader: Ctrl-C should abort it.
[21:35] <intrader> TSK, yes, thanks -- and the scan for local stuff command, can you help?
[21:37] <trism> ActionParsnip: is your TERM variable set correctly? it seems with certain ones, clear won't work correctly because there is no code for it (only found TERM=dumb so far, but still looking)
[21:37] <TSK> intrader: Once you know the address of your local machine on the LAN, (like for instance if it's 192.168.0.1) then you can try something like 'nmap -sS -O 192.168.0.1/24' to scan all 255 addresses in that range for active hardware I believe.  Let me test real fast locally on my local network.
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> trism: I have dumb too.
[21:38] <trism> ActionParsnip: that would be it, try export TERM=xterm; then clear
[21:39] <TSK> intrader: Of course you'll want to replace 192.168.0.1 with an address that's appropriate for YOUR local network.  It depends on how your network is configured.  Mine is in the 10.0.0.x range.
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> trism: perfect!
[21:39]  * ActionParsnip adds to bashrc
[21:40] <intrader> TSK. all 255 channels and subnetworks?
[21:40] <TSK> intrader: 'sudo nmap -sS -O 10.0.0.1/24' on MY network just found 3 active machines (including my Skype phone).
[21:40] <sburwood> I need to find the preparation information for a persistent usb stick.  Where do I find it?
[21:40] <sburwood> I looked everywhere I could on www.ubuntu.com
[21:41] <penguin42> sburwood: Are you on Maverick and are you trying to make a persistent image of Maverick?
[21:41] <TSK> intrader: You'll want to use an address on YOUR local network instead of the 10.0.0.1 in the command above.
[21:42] <intrader> TSK, thanks, but I am getting nowhere - my local machine is 192.168.0.102
[21:42] <yofel> TSK: use 192.168.0.0/24 then
[21:42] <TSK> intrader: sudo nmap -sS -O 192.168.0.0/24
[21:42] <sburwood> penguin42: I'm using Lucid and want to do a live usb stick to try Maverick
[21:43] <penguin42> sburwood: OK, so there is a bug in Lucid for the thumb drive creator; you need to install an update that is in lucid-updates first
[21:43] <TSK> intrader: That should return with a list of all hardware in the 192.168.0.0-192.168.0.255 range
[21:43] <yofel> !usb | sburwood
[21:43] <penguin42> yofel: Does that have the stuff about the bugs in ?
[21:43] <yofel> penguin42: didn't check, forgot about that syslinux issue
[21:43] <TSK> intrader: ONE of the IP addresses it finds SHOULD be the Mac you are seeking.
[21:43] <intrader> TSK, finds among the 255 channels  some including 102, but no names
[21:44] <TSK> intrader: It won't give you the name with that particular scan, but it SHOULD give you other information which will help you pick out which one is the Mac.
[21:44] <sburwood> penguin42: What is the thing I need to install from lucid-updates?
[21:44] <intrader> TSK, the Places-->Network menu is coming back with the appropriate MacOS machine and the windows network - but properties does not give me the IP
[21:45] <penguin42> sburwood: See this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/608382   it's usb-creator that I believe needs the update
[21:45] <TSK> intrader: That nmap scan you just did should list every ip address on your local network
[21:45] <penguin42> sburwood: So there are two bugs I'm thinking of here; one is that ones created on Lucid didn't work - and that update should fix it; I know earler maverick alpha/betas didn't like the persistent storage, but I don't know if that's been fixed
[21:46] <TSK> intrader: Along with some details about what it found at each IP address.
[21:47] <TSK> intrader: If you examine those details closely, you should be able to intuit logically which one is the Mac from what it says about what ports are open and what operating system it detects, etc.
[21:49] <intrader> TSK, no OS indicated - nothing I can intuit with as you put it
[21:49] <sburwood> thx
[21:49] <alex_mayorga> Launchpad timing out for someone else?
[21:50] <TSK> intrader: How many different machines/ip addresses did it manage to locate?
[21:51] <intrader> TSK, it found 5
[21:51] <intrader> TSK, only different IP addresses given
[21:52] <TSK> intrader: On MY network it found 3.  Two of the three were listed as "Linux 2.4 series (likely embedded)" which means one of those two was my Skype phone, and the other was my router.  That means the third HAS to be my computer.  My server is currently turned off, and my roommate's computer upstairs is also off.
[21:53] <TSK> intrader: On YOUR network, some of your IP addresses should also be listed similarly.  Linux (likely embedded), and those are probably your router, so NOT the Mac.
[21:53] <intrader> TSK, great - in my case the typical report says Nmap scan report for 192.168.0.102. nothing more
[21:54] <TSK> You did "sudo nmap -sS -O 192.168.0.0/24"?
[21:54] <TSK> The /24 at the end is important
[21:54] <TSK> The /24 means check all 255 addresses in the 192.168.0.x range
[21:56] <intrader> TSK, ah, the sudo gives the apple at 192.168.0.103. Now we are getting somewhere. Now I should be able to talk to cups
[21:56] <TSK> intrader: There ya go.  I KNEW nmap could find it.  :)
[21:58] <intrader> TSK, yes - 192.168.0.103 does not respond with its web server or /cups with the cups server
[21:58] <TSK> intrader: nmap is a VERY powerful tool and should be used with caution tho.  Do NOT do nmap scans against machines which you do not own.  (Do NOT scan around machines out on the Internet for example.)
[21:58] <intrader> TSK, like the scan I started by using the last example!
[21:58] <TSK> intrader: You can get in a lotta trouble if you go scanning machines which you do not have a right to be scanning.  :)
[21:59] <guntbert> TSK: very sane advice !!
[21:59] <TSK> intrader: Well, the examples all use "example" addresses, so you are fairly safe on that one...  ;)
[21:59] <intrader> TSK, only 4096 addresses
[22:00] <guntbert> intrader: imagine heavy knock on your door at night . some 3 letter agency :-(
[22:00] <TSK> intrader: If you really read up on how to use nmap to it's fullest tho, you can also use it as a tool to help you really SERIOUSLY firewall the heck outta your machines to keep them uber-safe from outside attack.  :)
[22:01] <intrader> TSK, I can see that - but it would take a bit of study. As to the printing problem...
[22:01] <TSK> Another really good tool for helping you test and secure your firewall to it's max is the "Shields Up" scanner at http://www.grc.com/
[22:02] <TSK> That one is for scanning your firewall from OUTSIDE your network looking in at the router from out on the Internet.
[22:02] <TSK> nmap is used for looking at your machines and hardware from INSIDE your network.
[22:02] <intrader> guntbert, oops
[22:04] <guntbert> intrader: not wanting to scare you but by scanning hosts without authorization by their owner you violate the law in many countries
[22:04] <TSK> intrader: LOL!  I just did a 'whois' on that IP address from the last example in the nmap manpage.  Guess who that net block belongs to?  :)
[22:05] <TSK> PLAYBOY.COM
[22:05] <intrader> TSK, interesting!
[22:05] <TSK> 'whois 216.163.128.20' returned playboy.com as the owner of that netblock.  :)
[22:06] <intrader> guntberg, TSK, all I wanted was not to wake up my wife to see the IP address of the mac.
[22:06] <TSK> intrader: Now yer in trouble.  Gonna be playboy bunnies dressed in black showing up with baseball bats to break your knees.  Explain THAT to the wife...  ;)
[22:06] <intrader> guntberg, TSK, good excuse to the spook agencies!
[22:09] <guntbert> intrader: no, if someone tried to break into your house and you are able to trace them to their place you surely will want the police to take a good look into there
[22:09] <TSK> intrader: Actually, tho, you really don't have anything to worry about regarding your accidental scan.  That particular example you tried was a non-invasive non-ping "passive" scan looking for webservers.  :)
[22:09] <guntbert> but I'm being off topic
[22:10] <drbobb> anybody tried to install ubuntu from a usb stick recently? what 's a *working* way to achieve that?
[22:10] <intrader> guntberg, TSK, 192.168.0.103:631 displays the cups server. It prints its test page OK. Wife is awake.
[22:10] <duffydack> drbobb, cat the iso with gujin bootloader
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> drbobb: make sure you md5 test the iso then use the 1-2-3 installer on pendrive linux
[22:11] <TSK> intrader: So you DID get a successful test page at least?  That's good.
[22:11] <drbobb> duffydack: i know the words cat, iso and bootloader, not gujin
[22:12] <drbobb> ActionParsnip: no idea what you're talking about (except for the md5 part)
[22:12] <duffydack> drbobb, http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html  basically just put bootloader 1 partition and cat the isos to other partitions.  doesnt then rely on bug ridden 3rd party tools
[22:12] <intrader> guntberg, only through the cups server print test page.
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> drbobb: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/   for windows, or you can use unetbootin in either linux or windows   or you can use usb-creator   in ubuntu
[22:12] <TSK> intrader: Then the problem MUST be at the Linux end of things.  You should double check that your Linux box has the necessary drivers installed to be able to send correct data to the printer I would guess?  (HP printer drivers on the Linux end?)
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> drbobb: if you dont know something, you can websearch to find out
[22:13] <drbobb> ActionParsnip: usb creator is broken
[22:13] <philsf> hi, is there a way to use the Alt-F2 hotkey to run an application by name in Unity?
[22:13] <drbobb> that's the reason for me asking in the first place
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> drbobb: then use unetbootin
[22:14] <intrader> guntberg,tsk, it is blank page
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> drbobb: if you are making the usb device from windows use the link i gave
[22:14] <philsf> I mean, is it not working just for me, or is it still in wishlist state?
[22:14] <drbobb> ActionParsnip: I have no windows around
[22:14] <TSK> intrader: The test page you just printed from the cups web interface is blank?
[22:14] <bazhang> drbobb, unetbootin works great
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> drbobb: then unetbootin is for you
[22:14] <drbobb> ok will try, thx
[22:15] <bazhang> in the repos
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> drbobb: its in the repo
[22:15] <drbobb> usb-creator did not work 6 months ago and it still doesn't work
[22:15] <TSK> http://gujin.sourceforge.net/
[22:15] <drbobb> maybe unetbootin is better
[22:15] <bazhang> drbobb, I never use it
[22:15] <bazhang> only unetbootin
[22:15] <drbobb> bazhang: I guess nobody does
[22:15] <intrader> guntberg,tsk, yes blank - must the firewall here on the 10.10
[22:15] <TSK> For whoever was wondering what gujin is, there's the description at the top of the page there
[22:15] <drbobb> because it doesn't work
[22:16] <TSK> intrader: No, if you just printed a test page from the Mac's cups web interface and it came out blank then the problem is with either the Mac or the printer itself.
[22:16] <trism> drbobb: it works, but with previous builds, it would add an option when creating maverick usbs that wasn't supported by the lucid syslinux, but that should be fixed
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> drbobb: ive always used usb-creator personally
[22:17] <drbobb> ActionParsnip: when was the last time you used it?
[22:17] <duffydack> I`d rather just cat isos every now n then..easy
[22:17] <TSK> intrader: Because when you sent a test page from the Mac's cups web interface, that was printing FROM the Mac itself, so I'd check your ink level in the printer maybe?  Did you JUST run out of ink not long ago maybe?
[22:17] <drbobb> cause afaics from the bug reports, it's been broken for a long time
[22:18] <bjsnider> intrader, ubuntu's "firewall" is set to extremely permissive by default
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> drbobb: used it in lucid to make my maverick desktop usb stick to clean install
[22:18]  * yofel uses https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/MultipleISOBootUSBKey
[22:18] <penguin42> anyone got a blank CD they can try something with?
[22:18] <drbobb> funny, it fails for me
[22:19] <TSK> intrader: It's a problem with either the Mac or with the printer.  You printed the test page from the Mac's cups web interface, aye?  That test page was sent FROM the Mac then.  That means the problem is NOT your Linux box.
[22:19] <intrader> guntberg,tsk, the cups server responds as if it had received stuff - just blank page. ODD, on the mac, the same -->blank page. But if I print the web page of the cups server, it works
[22:20] <TSK> intrader: Wait.  You can print the web page of the cups web interface FROM the Mac, or from the Linux box?
[22:20]  * penguin42 gently wonders if this is the same problem as gimp printing blank pages locally; I doubt it though
[22:22] <TSK> penguin42: apt-get install gimp-gutenprint  ;)
[22:22] <intrader> guntberg,tsk, from the mac's own web page's print menu, yes - but not from the web page on the 10.10
[22:23] <TSK> intrader: And if you send a test page using the cups web interface?  That comes out blank regardless of whether it's done at the Mac, or the Linux box?
[22:24] <Estragon> hi, someone knows how to enable ctrl+alt+d instant dekstop shortcut ?
[22:26] <intrader> guntberg,tsk, both print blank test pages!
[22:26] <TSK> intrader: Curiouser and curiouser...
[22:27] <intrader> guntberg,tsk, there must be something wrong with the printer - I know that its color cartridge is reporting a problem.
[22:28] <intrader> guntberg,tsk, I had to remove it as nothing would print - now on the mac I can print black and white -- but not from the 10.10
[22:28] <TSK> intrader: Ah.  Is the color cartridge out of ink?  If that's the case, you may need to set the printer settings on the Linux box to print forced black-only in order to get any action outta the thing.
[22:29] <intrader> guntberg,tsk, where is that done?
[22:29] <TSK> intrader: You gonna need to dig around in the print settings dialog till you find how to force non-color printing mode.
[22:31] <intrader> guntberg,tsk, it looks like there is no control in the settings as the printer does not report or support that from the print control applet
[22:31] <penguin42> TSK: I am tempted to try gutenprint but my experiences with it have been rather random, and anyway the basic one should work
[22:32] <Skaperen> I do not have anywhere I can install Ubuntu 10.10 candidate, yet, but I am wondering if someone who did, has tested the 256 heads bug to see if it was fixed
[22:32] <TSK> intrader: I guarantee that SOMEWHERE in ONE of the many print settings dialogs you will find an option to allow you to force printing to default to black and white/grayscale only mode.
[22:32] <intrader> TSK, have not found it - on the cups interface I have to be on the mac
[22:33] <TSK> Skaperen: If you have a bit of spare hard drive space and a reasonably powerful machine you could always install 10.10 in a virtual machine (VirtualBox/VMware/etc.)
[22:33] <TSK> intrader: There's also a cups interface on the Linux box, too.
[22:34] <Skaperen> TSK: unfortunately, I cannot set up the bug trigger conditions in a VM
[22:34] <TSK> intrader: And also there is GUI print settings stuff on the Linux box
[22:34] <TSK> Skaperen: Ah.  Bummer.
[22:34] <intrader> TSK, I am on it, but it tells me 403 error (forbidden)
[22:35] <Skaperen> TSK: the condition is a preformatted (e.g. before booting the install CD) hard drive with a logical geometry that has 256 for the number of heads
[22:35] <javatexan> I have a question about the appearance of 10.10.  Is there a way to just make the lower right hand window resize bigger?  The new style is hard to get the resize horiz and vert to show, very small window
[22:35] <TSK> intrader: Hrm...  That's bizarre.  I'm looking at my cups interface right now, but I don't have my printer hooked up at the moment, so I have no print dialogs I can look at to help find what you need.  :(
[22:35] <Skaperen> I may have a spare netbook to try it on in a couple weeks
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> javatexan: which lower right hand window
[22:36] <javatexan> lower right hand corner
[22:36] <TSK> Skaperen: Personally, I only have 10.10 installed in a VM, so I can't test that either.  :(
[22:36] <javatexan> of the windows, the area to activate the resize is a pain to get....too small
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> javatexan: ubuntu is VERY customizable so that means nothing
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> javatexan: make the panel size larger then, it should stretch up
[22:37] <intrader> TSK, on the mac I can control  a lot of things from the web cups interface - but on 10.10 I get 403
[22:38] <Skaperen> TSK: it may be possible to test in a VM, but some VM software appears to have related issues ... I couldn't get VB to not mangle the MBR when I used 256 heads
[22:38] <TSK> intrader: That's bizarre.  You absolutely sure you have everything you are supposed to have related to printing installed on the Linux box?
[22:38] <Skaperen> TSK: I can trigger the problem via a real hard drive easy enough, if I had a spare machine ... which I don't at the moment
[22:39] <Skaperen> TSK: the symptom is the install process hangs forever right after keyboard selection ... that's where the partitioning is being set up
[22:39] <intrader> TSK, never had to do anything special - it just worked before
[22:39] <TSK> Skaperen: Sadly, I have no actual physical machines I can devote to 10.10 at the moment either.
[22:40] <Skaperen> TSK: the fix is to zap the MBR and let the installer make a new one
[22:40] <Skaperen> the LiveCD will boot OK when 256 head MBR is present ... I'm sure you know the drill to zap an MBR
[22:42] <intrader> TSK, since we know that the mac and 10.10 cups web interface can't print the test page (both print a blank page), I think that this is for now not a problem with 10.10, but with the printer
[22:43] <TSK> intrader: Partly, but it also sounds as if there's a (possibly unrelated) issue regarding cups on the Linux side, too.
[22:43] <intrader> TSK, let's table it for now until I get the color cartridge fixed.
[22:43] <TSK> intrader: Because you SHOULD be able to get at a large number of print related settings both from the GUI and from the cups web interface.
[22:44] <penguin42> so, has anyone actually written a CD on Maverick?
[22:44] <TSK> Settings wherein you SHOULD be able to find an option SOMEWHERE to be able to FORCE printing in to a grayscale/black and white ONLY printing mode.
[22:44] <ker> hi! I'm installing from USB but I get stuck on the window that says "you need 2.6GB free space" etc
[22:46] <TSK> intrader: I know for a fact that such an option DOES exist, because I've used it before in the past myself on my old HP Deskjet that I never use anymore.
[22:47] <intrader> TSK, I don't know where it is - I have looked in Preferences and Administration  - nothing appears.
[22:48] <javatexan> ActionParsnip: not the desktop, the appearance of each window, the area in the lower right corner that shows the arrow that indicates you can resize the window hor and vert....that active area is too small, its very hard to hit with trackpad.  Just clarifying ....I see that I can change the whole appearance of the border of the window, wondering if way to just increase size of that one corner....it appears that other themes may hav
[22:48] <javatexan> e larger borders.
[22:48] <javatexan> otherwise I love the default theme
[22:50] <[thor]> that resize can be done at any corner
[22:50] <intrader> TSK, I will be getting the color cartridge in the meantime.
[22:50] <ker> lol I downloaded Ubuntu but now I rebooted and it's booting Kubuntu
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> javatexan: oic, erm not sure there personally dude
[22:51] <javatexan> thor: really, how...I am in Appearance preferences->Customize the theme->window borders and not seeing it
[22:52] <[thor]> javatexan: i mean to say that you can grab any corner and resize, not just a specific one.
[22:52] <[thor]> even the one housing the maximize/minimize/close buttons  ( which changes from theme to theme )
[22:54] <[thor]> javatexan: alternatively, you can use the ALT-F8 shortcut to resize a window
[22:54] <javatexan> [thor] that will work .. :)
[22:55] <javatexan> its just that the area that causes the mouse to change icons is too small for my trackpad, feels like I need a gaming mouse to get the darn mouse icon to change sometimes....LOL
[23:06] <TSK> intrader: Well, shoot...  Sorry I couldn't be more help.  I've looked everywhere on my machine and I've just been Googling and I can't find anything more.  Sorry.  :(
[23:08]  * TSK has gotta run.
[23:08] <TSK> Y'all folks have a good one.  Catching ya later on.
[23:11] <mark2010> hi all. has anyone had the white screen after booting into 10.10? intel chipset and ati mobile vid card. inspiron 9100.
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> mark2010: can you press CTRL+ALT+F1 and get a prompt?
[23:15] <mark2010> i'll try that. under the white screen? i'm in safe mode failsafeX now and can see GRUB at boot. thanks
[23:18] <mark2010> ActionParsnip: do that when i have the white screen?
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> mark2010: sure, may make it drop to terminal and you can fix from there
[23:20] <androidbruce> making my rc thumb drive now :)
[23:23] <ker> how can I install nvidia drivers in 10.10?
[23:23] <androidbruce> ker, same as others
[23:23] <androidbruce> get the .run and just run it
[23:24] <Ken8521> ker, why couldn't you?.. or use te hardware driver mgr.. thats what i always do
[23:24] <androidbruce> Ken8521, yup
[23:24] <ker> the hardware driver manager tells me that there are no drivers in use
[23:24] <ker> but I have a nvidia legacy
[23:24] <Ken8521> how old is it?
[23:24] <ker> it's a ti4200
[23:25] <ker> it was recognised by the hardware manager of 10.04
[23:25] <Ken8521> hmm
[23:25] <Ken8521> i've never used the driver from nvidia.com...
[23:25] <Ken8521> i've got a 7900.. so hopefully it'll be a while before i haev to.
[23:26] <Ken8521> PC long ad gone in the graveyard.
[23:26] <androidbruce> yofel, just got guake going, it's nice
[23:27] <androidbruce> oh wait that might have been TSK
[23:27] <yofel> ker: nvidia-96 doesn't work with xserver 1.9 yet
[23:28] <yofel> ker: maybe look on  bug 626974 if there's any news
[23:28] <androidbruce> yofel, really?
[23:28] <yofel> androidbruce: using the .run is NOT the recommended way to install nvidia drivers in ubuntu by the way
[23:28] <androidbruce> yofel, again REALLY?
[23:29] <yofel> androidbruce: afaik yes, only 256 was fixed a while ago and someone posted on that bug that it seems like 173 is fixed too maybe, not sure about 96
[23:29] <androidbruce> yofel, what's the deal with .run? why not use them?
[23:30] <yofel> androidbruce: because the nvidia driver overwrites system files which makes it hard to fix the system up after removing them, and you have to reinstall the driver after every kernel update, with dkms it's done automatically
[23:30] <Estragon> hi
[23:31] <Estragon> got something odd after my upgrade to maverick
[23:31] <Estragon> all windows are slowed down
[23:31] <Estragon> I mean its not very fluent when I minimize them
[23:31] <Estragon> or switch from one to another
[23:31] <penguin42> Estragon: Maybe a graphics driver problem?
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> Estragon: what video chip do you use?
[23:32] <mark2010> ActionParsnip: was able to get a prompt at the white screen.  black screen with prompt
[23:32] <androidbruce> yofel, are the dkms usually up to date and current?
[23:32] <mark2010> back in failsafeX now
[23:33] <yofel> androidbruce: nvidia-current in maverick is the 256 driver and I'm using the 260 beta driver from the x-updates ppa
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> mark2010: you may want to get fully updated in terminal
[23:33] <yofel> sure, you get more flexibility with the .run drivers, but it is a lot more work
[23:34] <yofel> might make sense in a final release, but in a devel release, which I use, kernel updates are so frequent, that it's not worth using them
[23:34] <Estragon> ActionParsnip, nvidia one, drivers seems OK
[23:34] <Ken8521> you can always see if you can bork your system w/ envy.. :)
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> Estragon: then remove the driver then reboot and then reinstall them again
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> Estragon: most times the proprietary drivers dont survive distribution changes
[23:35] <Estragon> but if I reboot with no drivers, it will crash ?
[23:36] <mark2010> ActionParsnip: run update-manager -d in terminal? tried update man GUI but no updates
[23:36] <penguin42> ActionParsnip: It's why I filed bug 636418
[23:36] <yofel> Estragon: if you remove the drivers and you xorg.conf it should use nouveau
[23:36] <androidbruce> ok so i was thinking about a fresh install of 10.10 because of the error i have. 1.261149 Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> mark2010: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:36] <mark2010> thanks
[23:36] <penguin42> androidbruce: How did you get it into that state?
[23:37] <Estragon> ok will try this, brb
[23:37] <androidbruce> penguin42, i started updates, then woke up and my keyboard mappings were all off and i restarted and this is what happened
[23:38] <androidbruce> and now my scroll lock and caps lock light are blinking
[23:39] <yofel> androidbruce: do you have another kernel you can try?
[23:39] <androidbruce> yeah there are a few listed in grub
[23:39] <david_> anyone know how to get rid of the arrow on the main menu in gnome-panel?
[23:39] <mark2010> ActionParsnip: nothing to update, remove etc...
[23:40] <Estragon> back :)
[23:40] <androidbruce> trying 2.6.32.24-generic
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> mark2010: sounds ok, you may need an xorg.conf to make things nice. Is there a bug created for this?
[23:41] <Estragon> seems to run better after I removed the driver, will reinstall it and reboot one more time
[23:41] <androidbruce> 2.6.32.24-generic is now checking disc for errors
[23:41] <androidbruce> so that's a good sign
[23:41] <Estragon> does someone knows why my grub (bios os chooser) still identify ubuntu as 10.04 ?
[23:41] <yofel> Estragon: make sure you use either jockey or run nvidia-xconfig after installing the driver
[23:42] <yofel> Estragon: what does 'uname -r' give?
[23:42] <Estragon> 2.6.32-22-generic
[23:43] <androidbruce> yofel, after it checked my disc at the login screen my pc was unresponsive
[23:43] <Estragon> omg driver installation just failed
[23:43] <yofel> *that*'s a lucid kernel, what happens if you run 'sudo update-grub' ?
[23:43] <Estragon> yofel, http://pastebin.com/AniCpuJN
[23:43] <yofel> Estragon: maybe you don't have the kernel headers installed, check if 'linux-image-generic' and 'linux-headers-generic' (or whatever type you use) are at the newest version
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> Estragon: hold shift at boot and select the maverick kernel
[23:44] <intrader> TSK, guntberg, with color cartridge the printer works. Thanks.
[23:44] <yofel> hm, *that* does list 35-22
[23:44] <yofel> do what ActionParsnip said
[23:44] <androidbruce> hey im back up!
[23:45] <Estragon> k will do it
[23:45] <androidbruce> yofel, so now that the older kernel worked should i update?
[23:45] <Estragon> brb :)
[23:45] <yofel> androidbruce: try to, and maybe reinstall the kernel package
[23:46] <androidbruce> yofel, how to reinstall the kernel pks?
[23:46] <androidbruce> pkg**
[23:46] <yofel> sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.35-22-generic
[23:46] <androidbruce> ohh
[23:46] <androidbruce> this just happened, my left ctrl key is STUCK on COMPOSE
[23:47] <androidbruce> it doesnt work as a ctrl key
[23:47] <yofel> o.O
[23:47] <androidbruce> and i can't change it
[23:47] <yofel> that's... weird
[23:47] <androidbruce> VERY
[23:48] <androidbruce> is there are way to reinstall all gnome/metacity settings?
[23:48] <mark2010> ActionParsnip: appears to be. sorry for all the newbie questions. how do i make or change the xorg.conf ?
[23:49] <androidbruce> mark2010, you need to open the xorg.conf up in an editor
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> mark2010: if you boot to recovery mode you can run:  sudo Xorg -configure   to make a skeleton file and pad it out
[23:51] <mark2010> did a ls and find on xorg.conf and no such file or directory
[23:52] <mark2010> i'm in safe mode now
[23:52] <penguin42> heck I'm impressed with google; I submit a bug and less than 5 mins later it find it in a search
[23:55] <mark2010> oops... just did a sudo Xorg -configure and got a fatal server error. should i do this with the ctrl+alt+f1 ??
[23:56] <penguin42> mark2010: What are you trying to do?
[23:57] <penguin42> you shouldn't need an xorg.conf' if you do then you probably don't need a full one - but that depends why you need it
[23:57] <mark2010> got the white screen after normal boot
[23:58] <mark2010> seems to be my vid card i guess
[23:58] <penguin42> hmm white - rarer; most people get black when it all goes wrong :-)
[23:58] <androidbruce> any ideas how to set all keyboard prefs back to default
[23:58] <androidbruce> with gnome?
[23:58] <mark2010> blinding white
[23:58] <penguin42> mark2010: Which card?
[23:58] <mark2010> yes
[23:58] <mark2010> ati mobile
[23:59] <penguin42> mark2010: exactly which one - lspci | grep -i vga
[23:59] <penguin42> mark2010: Do you have the ATI fglrx driver or are you usign the open driver?