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_schism_evening all02:11
aveilleuxhello _schism_02:12
_schism_has anyone here ever used openvas?  I had my media machine get hit and I think I fixed it but I am not sure and this seems to be the program to check those kinda things out but cant get it to run02:18
aveilleux_schism_: OpenVAS is a fairly complicated system...02:19
_schism_I was afraid of that :(  can you recomened anything else to scan it for stuff that people can use against it?02:20
aveilleux_schism_: Depends on what kind of ports you have open. How do you interface with the machine? How does media get put onto the machine? Do you SSH into the box?02:21
_schism_I use ssh and did use vnc but did away with vnc.  I got rid of it before I noticed the logs but I dont remember exactly when in comparrison02:22
_schism_nmap maybe?02:23
aveilleux_schism_: nmap is pretty good02:23
aveilleux_schism_: Did you change the SSH port?02:23
_schism_yes I did at the same time I got rid of vnc.  I use the auth key thingie on it instead of the password which is the better way to do it if I understood my google foo correctly02:25
_schism_hmmm if I am reading correctly nmap just does open ports but doesnt check for any stuff that can be used against you correct?02:26
aveilleux_schism_: Checking for "things that can be used against you" can't be done, since cracking tools evolve constantly02:27
aveilleux_schism_: Define "auth key thingie"02:27
_schism_the private key02:28
aveilleux_schism_: Public key authentication? You can do that with a password as well02:29
_schism_yeah public key.  way too many bookmarks..........02:30
aveilleux_schism_: Security isn't really my speciality, just don't enable the root account and run nothing on an account with sudo rights02:39
aveilleuxChange all of the standard ports (SSH, FTP, etc)02:39
_schism_aveilleux,  thanks for the help. it was probably a mistake on my part before but I realy do appreciate your help02:40
aveilleux_schism_: no problem. I run two servers so I understadn your concern :)02:40
aveilleuxunderstand*02:40
_schism_yeah mine is for the kids to be able to watch their movies from so I dont want someone on there putting stuff that they shouldnt be seeing on there02:41
aveilleux_schism_ : How do you get the movies onto the server?02:42
_schism_I have been buying movies with the digital copies on them and downloading them to the machine.02:42
aveilleux_schism_: Yes, but how are you actually getting the files onto the machine? USB stick, FTP, what02:43
_schism_usualy a usb hd02:44
_schism_work has a lot more bandwidth than I do ;)02:44
aveilleux_schism_: Wait, so if this is in your house... what ports are forwarded?02:45
_schism_right now since I found the machine goofed up only port 80 to a dvr I have and thats all02:46
aveilleux_schism_: Why is the port forwarded, I'm a little confused (since this is all running locally, I assume)02:48
_schism_the dvr is for a camera system and it is fowarded to the dvr for offsite viewing02:49
aveilleux_schism_: I see. Then the video feed is running over HTTP?02:51
_schism_its uses the port 80 inbound to trigger outbound to the client software on other ports02:52
_schism_its a diffrent machine not the media machine02:52
aveilleux_schism_: Um, okay02:52
zkriesseG'day N-14 and PrimeRad02:56
N-14Hi02:56
PrimeRadHello02:56
_schism_wow look at all the attempts to pop my machine in the last 30 minutes02:59
aveilleux_schism_: You might want to change your port.02:59
_schism_95.211.127.9602:59
_schism_wonder how many boards I can post that into.....02:59
aveilleux_schism_: Don't do it.02:59
aveilleux_schism_: I do not encourage retaliation. They probably have better defenses than you do.03:00
_schism_true didnt mean for retaliation I meant as far as ips to watch out for03:00
aveilleux_schism_: More likely than not that IP will be changed within the day03:00
aveilleux_schism_: No one has static IPs anymore03:01
aveilleux(unless you request them)03:01
_schism_sadly enough it didnt start happening until I cam in here asking for help :(03:01
aveilleuxWeird03:03
_schism_but at least everything is closed down now so it makes me feel a lot better03:03
PrimeRadWhat are u then Enemy of the State?03:03
aveilleuxCould be03:04
_schism_lol nope just a guy trying to make sure my kids dont see stuff they shouldnt and trying to learn a bit about nix03:04
PrimeRadlol03:04
aveilleux_schism_ Something you can try (that I've heard of but never used) is iptables autobanning03:05
aveilleuxI don't know how it works, sadly03:05
collinpAs in?03:06
PrimeRadYou've got a neophyte here. I'm still learning my TI calculator.03:06
_schism_I have been reading about iptables and am trying to wrap my head around those as well03:06
collinpDepending upon the kind of attack it is, there are several programs available to do the job.03:06
collinpIf you want to go for the gold, run a Intrusion Prevention System.03:06
* _schism_ adds yet another thing to his google list03:07
collinpMy VPS gets attacked over SSH around 200 times in 12 hours.03:07
collinpMostly brute-force attacks.03:07
PrimeRadI'm in trouble aren't I?03:07
_schism_nah ti calcs cant be put on the net :)03:08
PrimeRadYeah but I'm really new. I'm still learning all the features and I have no programming background.03:09
zkriessecollinp: Intrusion Prevention System?03:10
collinpzkriesse: It's self-explanitory.03:10
_schism_dont worry I am clueless but the guys in here are realy good about helping they have just spent the last 45 minutes or so helping me03:10
collinperr, explanatory.03:10
zkriesse_schism_: thanks for the compliment03:11
collinpIf it detects an attack, it logs it, and can be configured to send you a message about it and/or react to it.03:11
_schism_zkriesse, your welcome03:11
collinpFor example: snort03:11
_schism_well all I do appreciate the help but I need to go. thanks once again03:27
z_kHello people. I'm having a problem with my wireless on Ubuntu. I'm very new to linux. My wireless was working fine, but mysteriously stopped working. If anyone wants to help, I'd appreciate it greatly :)05:35
AbhiJithi06:29
stlsainthey06:33
AbhiJithey06:33
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shahan.09:42
shahanI want to remove all the inactive files of my ubuntu09:43
shahanthat is like the  DiskCleanUP in Windows09:44
shahanis there any way to do this?09:44
AbhiJitshahan, try ubuntu tweak or bleachbit09:44
AbhiJitfirst try bleachbit09:44
shahanAbhiJit, is it in SoftwareCenter?09:45
AbhiJitshahan, yes09:45
shahanAbhiJit, ok09:45
shahannUboon2Age, welcome09:48
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duanedesignmorning all13:00
vu1kanis there any place that ram usage is logged? top doesn't do me any good, really, i'm wanting to know what application is suddenly sucking my ram(and i am aware of the fact that linux uses unallocated ram as a cache), i'll be watching a movie, and my ram usage will go from 40% to max in a matter of seconds...completely randomly; i've tried to duplicate the behavior with top or the system monitor open, with no luck.  i want something that can di13:08
duanedesignhello vu1kan13:11
vu1kanhello duanedesign13:12
duanedesigni use htop instead of top. Can you sort the list in top by memory usage?13:13
vu1kanyes, you have to hit k or something like that, i don't recall specifically offhand13:14
vu1kanduanedesign: i'm sorry, i just checked the man page, and you have to use < or > untill it's sorted by the mem column13:23
vu1kanmy bad13:23
vu1kannobody else has any ideas?13:51
pedro3005vu1kan, http://rimuhosting.com/howto/memory.jsp maybe that can help14:02
vu1kanthanx, pedro3005, this looks like a good place to start...i may just set up  that script at the bottom14:05
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bodhiAnyone here running Safari ?15:45
bodhiOpera ?15:45
AbhiJitopera15:47
AbhiJitbodhi, yes opera15:47
bodhiI am try my hand at html516:07
bodhiCan you tell me, ddoes this video work ?16:07
bodhihttp://bodhizazen.net/video/16:07
bodhisound an all ?16:07
bodhiTY in advance16:07
AbhiJitok16:11
AbhiJitbodhi, first i run it then still 0:10 it runs well like video but after that it runs like slide show one photo after another like that16:12
AbhiJitwhen i run it second time it runs well stiil 0:10 everything was ok but then no sound still 0:13 but again after 0:13 everything was ok16:12
AbhiJitand when i run third time the whole moveis played very well16:12
AbhiJitbodhi, sound goes off randomly16:15
bodhiTY16:15
bodhiThe content need to dl before it will play smoothly16:16
bodhiAt least it "worked"16:16
AbhiJityah16:16
bodhiwriting html5 video means you need to write code for each browser (kind of a pain)16:16
AbhiJithmm16:17
bodhithat page works in chromium, chrome, and firefox 4 beta16:17
bodhisound does not work for me in firefox 3.6.x16:17
AbhiJiti see16:17
bodhiYou can "fall back" to flash or Java, but that kind of defeats the point , IMO'16:18
bodhiand it does not work at all for IE16:18
AbhiJithmm16:19
johnny77I'm looking to dual boot ubuntu with windows. I currently have windows installed with Ubuntu installed using Wubi. All the documentation I see talks about partitioning the drive, but I was thinking of installing ubuntu on a removable ssd. Is this possible?17:33
AbhiJitjohnny77, ssd?17:37
AbhiJityou mean sd card?17:38
johnny77yes... it's also called a solid slate drive right?17:38
ibuclawAbhiJit, solid state. :-)17:38
AbhiJitdunno17:38
AbhiJitjohnny77, but you can install ubuntu on usb drive and sd card also17:38
AbhiJitsd card is one used in digi cams17:38
ibuclawjohnny77, ssd is not different17:39
ibuclaw*to installing on a normal hard disk17:39
johnny77but all the documentation talks about partitioning. How do I install without playing with the partitions. Is there a place I can just pick the other drive?17:40
AbhiJitjohnny77, you can just select that ssd as '/' while installing ubuntu?17:41
AbhiJitfirst partition it with fat3217:41
johnny77should the sd card already have a file system on it?17:42
AbhiJityes17:42
johnny77then why do I need to partition it?17:43
AbhiJit:17:43
AbhiJit:(17:43
AbhiJitjohnny77, you just process this card as regular hard disk and to the things like wise no difference17:43
AbhiJitjust dont ruine your windows partition! :P17:43
johnny77That is what I'm worried about.17:44
johnny77So I basically put in the sd card, reboot my computer with the install CD or USB in. When the Ubuntu install pops up, I pick a duial boot option then pick the drive letter for the SD card.17:45
johnny77Is that right?17:45
AbhiJitjohnny77, you can be sure about 'which' one is your sd card and which is yoru hdd by using gparted17:45
AbhiJitright17:45
johnny77would the ubuntu install see my hhd as C drive?17:46
AbhiJitno17:46
AbhiJitsomething like sda1 etc17:46
johnny77would it show me the size?17:46
AbhiJitjohnny77, you can know your windows partition by looking at format type - e.g. windows will only have some fat32 or 16 or ntfs17:46
AbhiJityes it will show17:47
johnny77would a 16g SD card be sufficient for ubuntu?17:47
AbhiJityes sure17:48
AbhiJitmin req is 4 gb17:48
AbhiJitof freespace i mean17:48
johnny77But if I want to create files in ubuntu I'd need a little space for that.17:49
AbhiJityes17:49
AbhiJitbut 16 big is sufficient for /17:49
AbhiJitjohnny77, you may need more space only for yoru /home not for /. the '/' will be perfect in 16 gb17:50
johnny77i'm not sure what you just said... what is /hone /. and / ?17:51
AbhiJitjohnny77, /home is your home directory where your main documents, music, videos, and dowloaded things stay17:51
AbhiJitand / knows as root partition is onw where os's system files stays e.g. installed software etc17:52
johnny77So basically your saying if I have a lot of document/music/whatever i might need bigger, but if I only have a few then 16gb would be ok.17:54
AbhiJitright17:54
Mohan_chmljohnny77: I have a question for you. Are you an application developer? or will others be using your computer?17:54
johnny77no to both questions.17:55
Mohan_chmlCool17:55
johnny77why do you ask?17:55
Mohan_chmlthen you can use a common / and not /home and /boot, etc., In separate drives17:55
Mohan_chmlAbhiJit: It will be better to continue with / and you carry on :)17:56
AbhiJitMohan_chml, :D17:56
johnny77would I be able to access files on my HDD when I'm booted into ubuntu?17:56
Mohan_chmljohnny77: and One more question. What is the size of your RAM?17:57
johnny77I'm pretty sure 1gb.17:57
AbhiJitjohnny77, yes sure17:57
johnny77I've only been using ubuntu for about a week, but am really enjoying it. If it wasn't for a couple windows only programs, I'd fully switch.17:58
Mohan_chmljohnny77: Ubuntu and other Linux Operating systems Identifies Win File formats like FAT 32 and NTFS. But M$ Will never detect Linux FIle systems. i.e, you cannot view the contents of Ubuntu in Win17:58
Mohan_chmlAbhiJit: make him add 2 GB Swap. make sure he edits the partition correctly17:59
AbhiJitdinner time!17:59
AbhiJit:P17:59
johnny77i read something about the swap partition. should that be on the HHD or the SD card?17:59
Mohan_chmllol Okay then. I will handle this. Go and have it :P17:59
Mohan_chmljohnny77: HDD18:00
johnny77so in the end I'll still have to mess with the windows partitions.18:00
Mohan_chmljohnny77: at what stage you are?? and nope. you win partitions remain as it is. What you have to do is, get a 15 GB free space18:01
johnny77right now I have not started at all on the dual boot. I currently have ubuntu installed using wubi.18:02
Mohan_chmlNice18:02
johnny77Would the swap be kind of like the wubi install a 2gb section blocked off from windows?18:02
Mohan_chmlSwap area = virtual RAM18:03
Mohan_chmljohnny77: ready to Rock?18:04
johnny77sorry I can't do it right at this minute, I don't have the SD card... whated to make sure of a couple of things before I went out and bought it.18:05
johnny77brb18:05
Mohan_chmlOkay :)18:05
johnny77back... sorry took so long.18:14
Mohan_chmljohnny77: No worries =]18:14
johnny77so would the swap area be set up during the installation.18:15
* AbhiJit too back!18:15
AbhiJithaving swap on card it self is good in the sense that you can plug that card in any usb boot enabled pc and have swap with you18:15
Mohan_chmlAbhiJit: carry on =]18:15
AbhiJitalso swap is mainly used for hibernation if you are not going to hibernate then swap is not that much necessary18:16
AbhiJitMohan_chml, you be here too!18:16
Mohan_chmlUmmm...! I will watch ya :D18:16
AbhiJit:)18:16
johnny77I'm really confused. I'm familiar with swap files as windows uses them, but am getting a little confused on how this works with my ubuntu dual boot.18:19
johnny77Is it just that I have to tell the install where to create the swap files?18:19
Mohan_chml!swap18:22
ubot2swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info18:22
Mohan_chmljohnny77: ^ you can read about swap there ^^18:22
johnny77thank you.18:23
Mohan_chml(:18:23
hobgoblinafternoon18:24
Mohan_chmlHiyas hobgoblin (:18:24
hobgoblinMohan_chml: how's things18:25
Mohan_chmlhobgoblin: watched Soccer, Cricket, Animatinon movie, Death race and slept. Is there any other thing to say about today? :D18:26
johnny77a swap partition is an actual partition on the HHD, right?18:26
hobgoblinare you hungry?18:26
hobgoblinjohnny77: not necessarily18:26
hobgoblindepends what you want to do - do you need to suspend/hibernate?18:27
johnny77i don't plan to suspend/hibernate manually. I not sure if Ubuntu does it automatically after a period of inactivity.18:28
hobgoblinnot that I know of - if you're not planning to then you could use a swap file instead of a partition18:29
hobgoblinif you go with a partition - as long as it is actually there then the installer will recognise and use it18:29
johnny77if I'm going to set up a dual boot ubuntu & windows, should I create a swap partition? I'm planning to install ubuntu on a SD card to avoid having to play with the partitions. I have 1 HHD with 1 partition.18:32
hobgoblinit's up to you :)18:35
johnny77if I created a swap partition in the HHD it would of course affect the partition windows is installed on and could loose all my data?18:37
hobgoblinyou'd need to shrink windows first - what version windows is it?18:38
johnny77xp.18:38
hobgoblinI'd use the partition editor in the livecd then18:39
hobgoblinassuming you;ve data on there - backup18:39
hobgoblinthere's always the possibility that fate decides to interven in the middle of the partitioning and turns the power off18:40
hobgoblinthe need for swap depends on a couple of things really18:41
johnny77would it be just as good to create swap files on the HHD instead of a full partition?18:41
hobgoblinyou;d need to be able to create them on a linux partition as far as I know - so you;d still be needing to partition18:41
Mohan_chmlAbhiJit: Thing to remember: always use Ext format to install Ubuntu18:42
AbhiJitMohan_chml, not for usb18:42
hobgoblinhow much RAM do you have and what do you intend to use ubuntu for - memory intensive things or not?18:42
hobgoblinAbhiJit: you;ll not install ubuntu on a fat32 partition18:42
AbhiJithobgoblin, unetbootin says so18:43
hobgoblinthat's to do with the iso not an install18:43
shahanGoogle earth is not running http://paste.ubuntu.com/504611/18:43
johnny77I have 1gb memory and only plan to use general computer stuff, email, Open Office, internet... etc.18:43
johnny77can i create the swap partition on the SD card?18:44
hobgoblinjohnny77: then I would use a swap file - you can create it in the / afaik18:44
johnny77what is "/ afaik" ?18:45
AbhiJitjohnny77, i told you18:45
hobgoblinjohnny77: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How%20do%20I%20add%20more%20swap?18:45
shahanjohnny77: / means root18:45
hobgoblinjohnny77: afaik - as far as I know and / is root - where all the install resides18:45
johnny77ok, i knew / meant root, but was not sure what afaik meant.18:46
hobgoblinjohnny77: I would create a 1Gb swap file - the link I gave shows a 512Mb one only18:46
hobgoblinthat should be sufficient - I rarely touched swap with 1Gb RAM18:46
johnny77and that swap file would be on the SD card right?18:48
johnny77and I'd create that in ubuntu after the install?18:49
hobgoblinyes18:50
johnny77ok, thank you everyone...18:53
hobgoblin:)18:53
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* phillw waves, anyone in here used to recovering a dual boot system (windows) via a ubuntu start up usb stick?19:53
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FanshaweI can't get evolution to play sounds or pop up notifiers for any alarms I set on tasks, appojntments, etc.21:18
FanshaweHow do I do this?21:18
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FanshaweA little quiet this evening, I see.21:36
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stlsaintyo yo23:02
* bobo123 goes fetching an yoyo :-)23:09
pedro3005hey stlsaint23:09
pedro3005in today's class I went over a bit of...23:10
pedro3005project euler!23:10
pedro3005>:)23:10
stlsaint:P23:10
stlsaintpedro3005: class minutes?23:12
pedro3005stlsaint, we started a wiki page here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Academy/IntroToPython23:13
stlsaintawesome23:13
bobo123I have an avi here with multiple subtitles included in it, vlc(1.06 in ubuntu10.04) do lists the 3 subtitles in its video/subtitle-menu, but when I select any of them, no text is rendered. What can I do?23:13
pedro3005stlsaint, know anything about IMAP?23:16
stlsaintmail?23:20
pedro3005yeah23:20
pedro3005someone is asking me about configuring imap23:20
stlsaintin evolution or something? i really dont deal with mail all that much23:21
pedro3005yeah me neither23:22
bobo123Here is what vlc is saying when informationlevel is on 2, when I select one of the subtitles: http://pastebin.com/w1EwLeSQ23:27
bobo123Hm... someone said "build VLC yourself, VLC shipped by ubuntu is broken by their package maintainers.", but I'm not sure I dare to compile vlc myself, do anyone knows of a thirdparty repository with vlc in it that I can use to get a working version of vlc?23:29

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