[00:08] <yofel> iirc udev is responsible for the naming, not sure which file though
[01:35] <cjae> kubuntu-10.10-rc-desktop-i386 doesnt "sense" netbook either
[06:29] <AbhiJit> hi
[07:30] <AbhiJit> hey vish
[07:30] <AbhiJit> i think its genuine wishlist.
[07:30] <AbhiJit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/651560
[07:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 651560 in hundredpapercuts "Simple way to know distro version and architecture (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[07:30] <AbhiJit> vish, what do you think?
[07:30] <AbhiJit> i also wanted this papercut in my lucid
[07:31] <nigelb> AbhiJit: have you read the papercuts definition?
[07:31] <AbhiJit> nigelb, yah some time ago
[07:31] <AbhiJit> nigelb, i was thinking of this information for new user is good
[07:32] <AbhiJit> nigelb, if you people have already discussed this bug then leave it
[07:32] <nigelb> well, vish did post a really nice solution to that
[07:34] <AbhiJit> oh
[07:34] <AbhiJit> but it doesnt cover the 32 or 64 bit version
[07:35] <nigelb> that might be worthy of a bug, not a papercut tough.
[07:35] <nigelb> *though
[07:35] <AbhiJit> ohhh
[07:36] <AbhiJit> is ther any way we can shift this to 'bug' category?
[07:36] <AbhiJit> or should i tell that user to open new bug in 'bug' category?
[07:36] <nigelb> I can't think of a particular package to file it against.
[07:37] <nigelb> g00=30
[07:37] <nigelb> grrr
[07:37] <AbhiJit> that help file 'About Ubuntu' that file?
[07:52] <AbhiJit> this issue is still existed with me but its influence is not los
[07:52] <AbhiJit> low
[07:52] <AbhiJit> i mean early firefox was very evil now its a little evil
[07:52] <AbhiJit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/571101
[07:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 571101 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox 3.6.3 freezes regularly and becomes unusable (affects: 4) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[07:52] <AbhiJit> this bug marked for expire. no one fixed it.
[07:52] <AbhiJit> what to do?
[08:03] <AbhiJit> :(
[08:33] <vish> AbhiJit: hey.. well the info is already there in Ubuntu , as for the architecture not a papercut ;)
[08:37] <vish> AbhiJit: did you try what micahg has suggested in comment #1 for that FF bug?
[08:37] <vish>  comment 2 rather
[08:37] <vish> AbhiJit: once you have tried that, report the information on the bug and you can change the bug status back to new
[08:41] <AbhiJit> yah
[08:41] <AbhiJit> vish, ok
[09:58] <tetsuo55> hey
[09:58] <tetsuo55> could someone review this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cppcheck/+bug/640057
[09:58] <ubot2> tetsuo55: Error: Bug #640057 is private.
[09:58] <tetsuo55> once it passes the stage where it is no longer private i can show it to cppcheck developers
[12:14] <braiamp> How I have to proceed if I have a handful of possibly One Hundred Papercut?
[12:19] <penguin42> braiamp: You mean you've found some bugs that you think should be ?
[12:19] <braiamp> Specifically this: LP#93632 LP#448158
[12:19] <braiamp> bugs
[12:19] <penguin42> bug 93632
[12:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 93632 in sbackup (Ubuntu) "[apport] sbackupd crashed with GetoptError in long_has_args() (affects: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93632
[12:20] <braiamp> but there are so simple like if you run a program without a option or a invalid option
[12:20] <braiamp> there are more
[12:21] <penguin42> I'd check to see if they still happen, especially for that one - it's so ancient
[12:21] <braiamp> i check it
[12:21] <braiamp> and it still there
[12:22] <braiamp> see comment #9
[12:22] <penguin42> oh yeh, and someone already has a fix for it
[12:23] <braiamp> yes, but i don't find how upload to the upstream
[12:23] <braiamp> they are on LP but the bug doesn't link to them
[12:23] <penguin42> is there a newer upstream?
[12:24] <braiamp> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sbackup
[12:25] <braiamp> the SF project page links to launchpad
[12:26] <penguin42> braiamp: I'm not sure what the right answer is; I guess you could suggest it for 100.... with a comment saying it's reasonable since the patch is already there
[12:27] <braiamp> yes but about
[12:27] <braiamp> bug 448158
[12:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 448158 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-retrace crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in exit() (affects: 9) (dups: 4) (heat: 63)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448158
[12:28] <braiamp> it could be so simple.
[12:28] <penguin42> braiamp: Well, no one seems to have fixed it, and I don't know python - you could try fixing it?
[12:29] <braiamp> add a exception when apport-retrace its called with no option or invalid option says something like: wget --jkl
[12:29] <braiamp> wget: opción '--jkl' no reconocida
[12:29] <braiamp> Uso: wget [OPCIÓN]... [URL]...
[12:29] <braiamp> Intente «wget --help» para mayor opciones.
[12:29] <braiamp> instead of a crash.
[12:31] <braiamp> if you noticed the both can be reproducible whit the same steps
[12:32] <penguin42> braiamp: For me on Maverick apport-retrace doesn't crash
[12:32] <braiamp> ok im on lucid
[12:32] <penguin42> braiamp: I'm wondering though, I'm using the English locale, so I wonder given that the error is Unicode related if it only happens in some locales
[12:33] <braiamp> no:
[12:33] <braiamp> braiam@braiam-desktop:~$ LC=EN
[12:33] <braiamp> braiam@braiam-desktop:~$ apport-retrace
[12:33] <braiamp> Usage: apport-retrace [opciones] <informe apport del problema | ID del fallo>
[12:33] <braiamp> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:33] <braiamp>   File "/usr/bin/apport-retrace", line 195, in <module>
[12:33] <braiamp>     (reportfile, options) = parse_options()
[12:33] <braiamp>   File "/usr/bin/apport-retrace", line 78, in parse_options
[12:33] <braiamp>     optparser.error(_('incorrect number of arguments; use --help for a short help'))
[12:33] <braiamp>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/optparse.py", line 1578, in error
[12:33] <braiamp>     self.exit(2, "%s: error: %s\n" % (self.get_prog_name(), msg))
[12:33] <braiamp>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/optparse.py", line 1567, in exit
[12:33] <braiamp>     sys.stderr.write(msg)
[12:33] <braiamp> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xfa' in position 24: ordinal not in range(128)
[12:33] <braiamp> braiam@braiam-desktop:~$
[12:34] <nigelb> !paste
[12:34] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[12:34] <devildante> braiamp: next time, please paste long messages in pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com :)
[12:35] <devildante> argh, too late :p
[12:35] <nigelb> heh
[12:35] <braiamp> ok
[12:35] <braiamp> so sorry
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[12:40] <braiamp> i'm searching for another that leak the bug
[12:58] <braiamp> another example:
[12:58] <braiamp> bug 363116
[12:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 363116 in subdownloader (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "run.py crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in decode() (affects: 4) (heat: 7)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363116
[12:59] <braiamp> they are only for the unicode
[13:00] <braiamp> but for some users the can said "ubuntu fools", and they could be easy to audit before the release?
[14:44] <hggdh> well. Easiest way is go, fix, and propose a patch.
[14:49] <yofel> that apport crash is odd though, I can't reproduce it on karmic, lucid and maverick with en_US or C. I tend to blame gettext
[16:27] <hggdh> maybe indeed locale-related
[16:29] <kklimonda> apport-retrace error is locale-related
[16:30] <hggdh> yes. One Q is what locale was the OP
[16:30] <kklimonda> hmm, probably non-unicode one?
[16:31] <kklimonda> errors like that are related to unicode support - but yofel says that it works with C. It may be that the OP has some pt_PT (as in non-unicode locale with national characters)
[16:33] <hggdh> actually, some es_*
[16:33] <hggdh> I tend to incomplete locales
[16:34] <hggdh> even more because he states using an English locale, but the initial apport error message is in Spanish
[16:39] <kklimonda> I don't really have time to dig into that today so I'm going to leave you with it ;)
[17:53] <hggdh> heh
[17:56] <hggdh> but I wonder what the OP wanted with 'LC=EN'
[18:03]  * yofel wonders if that's stderr.write not understanding unicode
[18:03] <yofel> I can reproduce that now on maverick with ' LANGUAGE=de_DE.UTF-8 apport-retrace'
[18:03] <yofel> but printing the tranlated text works fine..
[18:07] <yofel> hggdh: should that be reassigned to python?
[18:07] <yofel> if I replace self.exit(2, "%s: error: %s\n" % (self.get_prog_name(), msg))
[18:07] <yofel> with print ("%s: error: %s\n" % (self.get_prog_name(), msg))
[18:07] <yofel> in /usr/lib/python2.6/optparse.py it doesn't crash
[18:08] <hggdh> yofel: sounds plausible to reassing to python. I wonder what 'self.exit()' does, though
[18:08] <yofel> actually replacing 'sys.stderr.write' with 'print' fixes it too
[18:09] <yofel> hggdh: that's a wrapper function around sys.stderr.write(msg); sys.exit(2) defined a few lines above that
[18:09] <hggdh> yofel: also repeated with 'LC_ALL=fr_FR.utf8 apport-retrace'
[18:10] <hggdh> so it sounds like sys.stderr.write is missing/has wrong unicode support...
[18:10] <yofel> hggdh: try commenting out line 1567 in /usr/lib/python2.6/optparse.py, or replace sys.stderr.write with print
[18:11] <hggdh> oh bloody hell, gconf just gave up its ghost here
[18:11] <yofel> haha
[18:12]  * yofel goes looking at python bugs
[18:13] <hggdh> yofel: this should be easy to test -- writing a small kudge that does the same
[18:13]  * hggdh goes on it
[18:13] <hggdh> of course, before that I will reboot to clean up gconf
[18:14]  * hggdh wonders if the updates just installed would have messed up with gconfd
[18:23] <hggdh> yofel: just moved to GDM under fr_FR.utf8 -- now I get the error, unless I force en_US.utf8
[18:28] <yofel> this is actually pretty easy to reproduce: launch a python shell with local set to de_DE.UTF-8, import sys, use a uncode  char:
[18:28] <yofel> >>> u'ü'
[18:28] <yofel> u'\xfc'
[18:28] <yofel> then run sys.stderr.write(u'\xfc') -> crash
[18:34] <hggdh> yay, just found it also ;-)
[18:34] <hggdh> so... really sounds like a python issue
[18:34] <penguin42> yofel: That sounds very like the error that was being discussed this morning from apport-retrace?
[18:35] <hggdh> penguin42: yes indeed
[18:35] <yofel> yes
[18:36] <hggdh> valid for stdout also. I wonder is there is something missing somewhere
[18:38] <yofel> python 2.7 works fine btw.
[18:40] <hggdh> yofel: this is potentially bad
[19:02] <yofel> well, I made a trip to #python, and they say you have to encode a unicode string to bytes for 2.6 write()
[19:03] <hggdh> sigh
[19:55] <njin> hello to all: this have french and chinese mixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/653664 what can it be ? thanks
[19:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653664 in ubuntu "Chinese characters when French language chosen (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[20:11] <nigelb> vish: finally
[20:12] <nigelb> I get a student response
[20:12] <nigelb> 4th time lucky :p
[20:12] <hggdh> njin: this is not Chinese
[20:12] <vish> nigelb: oh no! thats not a good sign!
[20:12] <vish> nigelb: world might end :p
[20:12] <hggdh> but it is still weird...
[20:12] <nigelb> lol
[20:13] <njin> hggdh: sorry my ignorance, but what is it ?
[20:13] <hggdh> njin: well, there *is* chinese there also, not on the first figure. The plot thickens...
[20:18] <njin> hggdh: sorry, i don't understand, can you explain me
[20:19] <nigelb> lol, dpm is going to have an ineresting monday
[20:19] <hggdh> njin: the first screenshot shows what *might be Thai, or similar; the others do show ideograms compatible with Chinese/Japanese
[20:19] <yofel> the first picture has greek in it IMO, the next one does look chinese
[20:19] <vish> one of these days i'm going to boycott ubuntu it i dont get a good kernel!
[20:19] <vish> ;p
[20:20] <hggdh> njin: and I just verified the checksum the OP gave matches
[20:20] <nigelb> vish: #blame-jfo
[20:20] <nigelb> vish: or just buy your own corn :D :D
[20:20] <vish> yea!
[20:20]  * nigelb runs..
[20:20] <hggdh> yofel: so that's greek? Heh
[20:20] <vish> nigelb: funniest thing is that mainline works fine!
[20:21] <nigelb> hggdh: yep, greek.  I remember physics
[20:21] <vish> something in ubuntu is messing it up! this time i'm not letting it go! ;p
[20:21] <nigelb> vish: ok, that's bad
[20:21]  * hggdh goes look again
[20:22] <hggdh> yofel: absolutely correct... looking at them I can see omega, delta, tau, etc, mixed upper and lower
[20:23]  * hggdh really has to *look* at pretty pictures, instead of just cursory glancing
[20:23] <hggdh> njin: I have no idea what to do. I guess the install log might help locate where things went south.
[20:24] <hggdh> also if this is limited to GDM, or also happens on a terminal
[20:24] <njin> ok thanks to all, i ask to reporter
[20:25] <nigelb> someone was talking about firefox showing portugese - BUGabundo I think
[20:25] <hggdh> oh, so this has happened to others?
[20:25] <yofel> nigelb: right, he purgeda ll langpacks and it was still portugese
[20:26]  * hggdh sees his worry index raising
[20:26] <nigelb> yofel: yep, somehow I feel this is connected
[20:26] <njin> I'm trying a french install to see if reproduce
[20:32] <hggdh> vish: thank you. Interesting to note that the OP does have chinese installed, but no visible Greek
[20:33] <nigelb> also would be nice to know if chinese was knowingly installed
[20:33] <vish> hggdh: you're welcome! but i think i dint do anything :D
[20:34] <hggdh> vish: well, you are trying to install on French :-)
[20:34]  * nigelb hands hggdh glasses
[20:34] <vish> hggdh: yofel …
[20:34] <hggdh> really.
[20:35] <nigelb> vish: njin ,  not yofel
[20:35]  * yofel is confused
[20:35] <vish> even better
[20:35] <nigelb> lol
[20:35]  * hggdh goes to clean -- REALLY clean -- his glasses
[20:35]  * penguin42 someone should repackage Ubuntu as a multilingual technical language teaching tool
[20:35] <nigelb> haha
[20:35] <hggdh> LOL
[20:35] <vish> yofel: i thought hggdh confused me for you.. :)
[20:35] <nigelb> best quote of the day!
[20:36] <yofel> penguin42: +1 :D
[20:37] <hggdh> oooohhhh
[20:37] <hggdh> NOW I caan see!
[20:37] <hggdh> I think
[20:38] <nigelb> whats 3^3?
[20:39] <hggdh> 27
[20:39] <nigelb> indeed, you can :) :p
[20:39] <hggdh> or, more strictly, it is a symbol '3' followed by a symbol '^', followed by a symbol '3'
[20:41] <nigelb> heh
[21:59] <stenten> What package should I file against for a bug where the wireless drivers are not included in the Maverick LiveCD, like they should be?
[21:59] <stenten> (The proprietary Broadcom ones)
[22:24] <hggdh> stenten: open against linux. But I doubt they will be there, they are proprietary. There is a package that carries them
[22:26] <stenten> I know. Usually you only need to install b43-fwcutter, but in Maverick you also need to install firmware-b43-installer, which isn't in the LiveCD.
[22:27] <stenten> I already filed it against Ubiquity as Bug 653790; I trust it'll get triaged to the right package by those who know what to do.
[22:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653790 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "firmware-b43-installer is not included in the Maverick LiveCD (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653790
[22:29] <penguin42> does anyone have a blank CD that they can try something with (it won't need to be written)
[22:32] <stenten> penguin42: Sure, I guess. What would you like?
[22:33] <penguin42> stenten: put it in, and then right click on an iso in nautilus and do Write To Disc...   I get a dialog with it letting me select the media to write to and it says 6.90MB free space; it's a 690MB disk
[22:34] <penguin42> or I guess it might be the difference in the size of the ISO and the raw disc capacity or something?
[22:37] <stenten> penguin42: I get 6.9MB free too. I think you're right; I remember it being free space left on the disk. Try writing it and see what happens?
[22:37] <penguin42> stenten: Yeh writing at the moment; my feeling is that's a bug
[22:38] <stenten> Probably. At the very least it's confusing and unintuitive. If you file a bug I can confirm it I guess :)
[22:38] <hggdh> penguin42: IIRC, known issue, just do not have the bug #
[22:38] <penguin42> ah ok
[22:42] <penguin42> oh ***** it's just toasted that cd
[22:44] <lifeless> I see the same free space stuff, writing the iso worked for me last week
[22:45] <penguin42> ok; that one was a dud for me; which is a shame because I've not got many large CD-R media, and the machine I wanted to install I don't think has DVD