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doctormohey duanedesign00:14
doctormoGot a test suite for dbus event signals in python, Mwhahaha, now I can take over the world!00:42
doctormoAmendment: this was quite tricky, you should see the includes for the base module: os, sys, threading, subprocess, signal, atexit, gobject, time and logging. heh all the cool kids modules.00:44
duanedesignhey doctormo !00:52
duanedesigni started playing around with designing some stuff.00:53
doctormoduanedesign: oh? want to show it to me?00:54
duanedesignlet me see, i think i have somme here00:54
duanedesigndoctormo: here is one. http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/peopleAll-small.jpg00:58
doctormoduanedesign: I like it, I think you need to increase the brightness and contrast between the orange and purple elements, and make the text stronger somehow.00:59
doctormoalso, jpeg is a bad format for any design/production, it's lossy compression will give you nasty artifacts with printing and transmition.01:00
duanedesigndoctormo: /501:20
duanedesignoops P01:20
JanCdoctormo: your description of JPEG makes me think about Google's new fantastic unique space-saving "we can make files smaller by losing quality" WebP format...  ;)02:21
doctormoJanC: It's not that bad!02:21
doctormohttp://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com/gallery/24290476#/d2zsebq03:02
JanCdoctormo: that reminds me, I have to see when Sintel will be ready  ;)03:11
doctormoJanC: yesterday03:12
JanCoh, so I can expect a DVD soon...  :-)03:12
JanCI actually saw a peview at Libre Graphics Meeting03:13
JanCpreview03:13
JanChm, I get errors when trying to access their site  :P03:14
JanCso I saw part of it before the official première, including some of the problems they had, errors they made, how they work, etc.03:15
JanCthat was really interesting to see03:16
JanCI wonder if they will free the recording that was made of that talk now03:16
doctormoJanC: Did the news not reacht he planet?03:26
JanCI don't read the planet every day  ;)03:26
JanCactually, there are so many news sources in open source that I don't know what to read first anymore  ;)03:27
czajkowskialoha08:40
nigelbmorning08:40
vishdoctormo: hey, any news on that ip ban ? or is that something i should be resolving at my end? seems like yours is the only site i might not have access to.. :(10:13
nigelbvish: did you wait for like 1 minute?10:14
vishheh, but i do read your blog via liferea! ;p10:14
nigelbit took some time to load up10:14
vishnigelb: yea, no luck here..10:14
nigelbugh10:14
nigelbjussi: Its so beautiful!11:58
jussi:D11:59
nigelbInteresting suit though11:59
nigelbstrangely it reminded me of dracula cartoons :p12:00
* nigelb runs. Fast.12:00
nigelbjussi: the ones were you both stand on rocks => who chose that setting?12:01
nigelbThat made me think like you were in the sky :)12:02
jussinigelb: the photographer suggested and we approved.12:11
nigelbjussi: It was a very good idea :)12:26
duanedesignmorning all12:59
nigelbmorning duanedesign13:00
Pendulumhiya13:11
nigelbhey :)13:12
akgranerWoo Hoo - it's the weekend :-)13:38
nigelbgosh, its saturday evening already13:38
akgranernigelb, :-)13:39
akgranerI am acknowledging west coast time today so I get 3 more hours of weekend :-)13:40
nigelbyou're on the west coast?13:41
akgranernope13:41
akgranerthat is just the time zone I am executing today with13:41
nigelbbut your body probably thinks it is :p13:41
nigelbaah :)13:41
AlanBellI would love to do the xkcd 28 hour day thing13:47
nigelbI tried.  Painful.13:47
vishpopey: in UK english its "Open Trash" and "Empty Trash" …14:35
vishmaybe 'the' british need to many 'the'  ;p14:35
visherr! in US english14:36
vishtoo...14:36
* vish sleeps!14:36
nigelbits too early14:36
vishyea, just a short nap :D14:38
nigelbhah14:39
nigelbAlanBell: ping, around?15:26
nigelbAlanBell: who runs the bot that publishes the rss feeds from ubuntu-uk planet in the #ubuntu-uk channel?15:27
AlanBelldaviey I think15:34
AlanBellpopey would know for sure15:34
nigelbpopey: ^^15:35
nigelbAlanBell: I realized that cia bot for bzr can only do client side, so if you want to do actual server side, you neeed rss feed from launchpad15:36
nigelbplanning on writing something for that to use in #pollka :)15:36
AlanBellis bug 585940 assigned to the right person?16:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website-content "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 74) (heat: 367)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58594016:46
AlanBellactually it looks like it is Gerry's thing16:49
popeyAlanBell / nigelb yes, daviey set it up16:53
nigelbpopey: ok! thanks, I'll talk to Daviey :)18:55
sensegood evening20:41
duanedesignhey there sense20:43
sensehi duanedesign20:43
duanedesignsense: up to anything interesting this evening?20:49
senseduanedesign: Not much, I'm recovering from today's hard work in preparation of our move to Dokkum.20:50
sense:)20:50
senseduanedesign: What about you?20:53
duanedesignsense: been doing skthches for a webdte I am going to make21:25
senseduanedesign: Is it going good?21:25
duanedesignsense: i think so21:28
sensegood21:28
duanedesignsense: i am using a CSS Framework21:28
senseduanedesign: How does such a thing work?21:28
duanedesignthis my first time to use one. I am using the 960 grid system21:29
* AlanBell would like to burn 960gs and all that use it21:30
AlanBellsuch an insanely bad idea21:31
nigelbfluid is way better21:31
AlanBellyup21:32
duanedesignAlanBell: why is that21:32
nigelbpeople who tend to be desingers love 96021:32
AlanBell*I* choose how wide I want my browser21:32
nigelb+121:32
AlanBellwhich could be quite narrow, sitting alongside other windows21:32
doctormoAlanBell: No, your browser width is my choice, remember when you sold me that right?21:33
AlanBellor it could be the full width of my 2048 wide monitor21:33
AlanBelland I could be randomly choosing bigger or smaller text sizes21:33
AlanBellI have been picking apart the web team's wordpress theme to fluidise it21:36
AlanBellhttp://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/21:36
AlanBellnow fluid, it works fine21:37
nigelbok, bed time.  Later all.21:37
AlanBellbye nigelb21:37
* popey hugs AlanBell 21:41
AlanBellhttp://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/09/29/announcing-the-new-ubuntu-uk-org/ same thing with a fixed width right sidebar21:42
popeywe need to give you the new uupc logo :)21:49
popeyi dont think we'll put it on the uupc site until next season though21:49
popeyso probably best to leave it as is for now21:49
popeywould be lovely to revamp both sites at once :D21:49
* popey drops a massive hint to AlanBell 21:50
AlanBell:)21:51
AlanBellthat is probably something to discuss over beer popey22:05
popeyyes!22:12
vishpopey: from nautilus menu File » Create Folder / Create Document is what i have here,  what is it in UK english..  ?22:14
vishpopey: iirc, gnome HIG specifies against excessive use of "the" … i need to find the line..22:15
popeyprobably written by americans22:16
vishhehe!22:16
vishpcutler? isnt british?22:16
vishoh wait it was Calum, irsh or living in ireland..22:16
vishpopey: well if it is "create the document" then its consistent, else it brings in a new inconsistency ;)22:17
vishand more bugs \0/22:17
popeyhmm22:20
AlanBellit would be "create a document"22:21
AlanBelland create a folder22:21
vishheh yea22:21
AlanBelland connect to a server for that matter22:21
popey:( vish23:00
vishpopey: hehe, that was just a joke ;)23:01
popeydidnt come across that way23:02
vishpopey: oops! :(23:02
popeywhere is the specific section in that very long document about 'the'?23:02
popeysearching for the word 'the' isnt fruitful or efficient23:03
vishadjectives use23:03
popeyspecifically?23:04
vishthere is a section about it and mentions to not overuse it.. also » http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus.html.en23:04
popeyyes, I'm trying to find the section you mention, can you quote it?23:05
popeyso I can find it23:05
vishUse adjectives with caution. If an adjective is necessary to differentiate between items, then use adjectives. In all cases, test whether the phrase can stand alone without the adjective.23:06
AlanBellhttp://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-style-guide/stable/grammar.html.en23:07
AlanBell"the" is not an adjective23:07
* czajkowski is having flash backs to her junior cert English 23:08
vishgrr!23:08
* vish bad at grammar :D23:08
czajkowskivish: tis fine, just sometimes as it's not your 1st language you may be too literal23:10
AlanBellthe rules on the definite article "the" don't appear to apply to this context as it is not at the beginning of the string23:11
vishczajkowski: heh, actually i was good at it at one point :) , but lost touch recently :(23:11
AlanBelland we should always remember that software does not want to be anthropomorhisised23:12
vishwell, sometimes they can be adjectives? http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/adjectives.htm23:13
popeyit really does feel like the grammatical rules of one nation are being used to dictate what other nations/locales/languages do23:16
popeywhich is frustrating23:16
AlanBellI think that is wrong23:16
* AlanBell is cautious of grammar rules found on .edu websites23:17
* popey blames webster for much of this23:17
AlanBellthe article isn't part of the adjective23:17
AlanBellin the colourful paragraph with the pink and blue they didn't highlight the articles23:18
vishgah! articles!23:18
popeyespecially when people outside the UK and who are _not_ US citizens or US educated dictate the policy in the UK!23:19
* popey says "bah" once more and goes to bed23:19
AlanBellFrom The Oxford Dictionary of American Usage and Styleby Bryan Garner. Copyright 1995 by Bryan A. Garner. Published by Oxford University Press, Inc., www.oup-usa.org, and used with the gracious consent of Oxford University Press.23:19
AlanBellso there is a dictionary from Oxford to tell Americans how to get it wrong!23:20
AlanBellhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjective interestingly wikipedia talks about articles used as adjectives23:22

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