[00:02] <ogra_ac> kirkland, ping
[00:02] <paissad_> Daviey, ok
[00:11] <kirkland> ogra_ac: hi
[00:11] <ogra_ac> kirkland, your change to user-setup isnt the the bzr tree
[00:12] <ogra_ac> kirkland, was that only the bs=16M in user-setup-apply ?
[00:12]  * ogra_ac tires to get the branch fixed since he committed his fix already
[00:13] <ogra_ac> (before looking at the package indeed)
[00:15] <kirkland> ogra_ac: yes, that's all
[00:16] <ogra_ac> ok
[00:17] <kirkland> ogra_ac: sorry about that
[00:17] <kirkland> not sure how that happened
[00:17] <ogra_ac> well, dont worry, i'm sorting
[00:38] <kees> slangasek: erm, seems like a "status" stanza is needed in upstart. it's a regression that arbitrary checks can't be added.
[00:40] <slangasek> kees: I'm of the view that this doesn't belong in upstart because upstart itself has no use for such a thing and it would be provided solely for external consumers, so there's no reason to involve upstart at all in the design; but Keybuk might take a different view if you ask him
[00:43] <kees> slangasek: hm, as a sysvinit replacement, there is sense to "is my service operational?" beyond "is there a pid for it?" seems to me like that overlaps with upstart. I'll ask him.
[00:44] <slangasek> kees: I agree that there's a need for querying such information, I just don't see any reason for pid 1 to mediate it
[00:45] <slangasek> in fact, I can see that introducing some nice security holes ;)
[00:45] <kees> slangasek: fair enough.
[00:45] <kees> slangasek: right, the shift in who is doing what does pose a risk
[00:46] <kees> if Keybuk agrees, I guess it should just live in the "service" command.
[00:46] <kees> though "status" from upstart should be renamed.
[01:52] <ArneGoetje> YokoZar: xfonts-baekmuk is an alias package. I don't think it's necesary any more.
[10:54] <werew433> hellow I want to create driver for my Radeon X700 for full 3D on 10.04, where I can find radeon developers?
[10:56] <ion> You can program a 3D accelerated driver but you can’t find the project contact info on the web? :-)
[11:04] <werew433> ok I find them
[11:14] <paissad_> i try to build a package for lucid i386 , i did first (pbuilder-dist lucid i386 create) .... i did a chroot in that environnement .. installed needed packages and so  on ... but here is the error i get when i run the debian/rules
[11:14] <paissad_> http://dpaste.com/251926/
[11:16] <paissad_> here is the debian/rules file -> http://pastebin.com/4KnnLvPj
[11:16] <paissad_> i did run debian/rules get-orig-source
[11:17] <paissad_> this works in a normal environnement (no chroot)
[16:40] <jellington> hey everyone, I was just wondering after upgrading my netbook to meerkat, how do I add items to the unity launcher?
[16:45] <ScottK> jellington: Support is in #ubuntu+1 for Maverick.
[16:47] <jellington> alright
[16:48] <paissad_> guys, when run 'debuild -us -uc',  i don't get the *diff file ... i don't know why
[16:48] <paissad_> here is the files i have http://pastebin.com/t3HDUm6S
[16:48] <paissad_> may someone explain or help me ?
[16:50] <paissad_> sorry, here is a better pastebin ;) http://pastebin.com/YiceNGFb
[16:50] <paissad_> thanks in advance
[16:51] <ScottK> paissad_: You're using Debian source format version 3.  It has debian.tar.gz instead of diff.gz that version 1 uses.
[16:52] <paissad_> ScottK, ahhh, yeah that's it ! of course ... so knowing that i have a debian repository, i put the debian.tar.gz instead of the diff.gz ?
[16:53] <paissad_> no no
[16:54] <ScottK> paissad_: Are you working on a package that you hope to get into Ubuntu?
[16:55] <paissad_> ScottK, no .. that will no go for Ubuntu, not for the moment .. but i maintain a repository that contains packages that many people use ... so i have to do a good job
[16:55] <ScottK> paissad_: #ubuntu-packaging is probably a better channel for you.
[16:56] <paissad_> ScottK, the package is already created ... but knowing that there's no more diff.gz file, ... i just wonder what to put in the repository instead ^^
[16:57] <paissad_> btw, the package is also in PPA, so ...
[16:57] <ScottK> paissad_: This channel is for development of Ubuntu.  What you're asking about is really off topic.
[16:58] <paissad_> oh sorry
[16:58] <paissad_> #ubuntu-motu is also for development of Ubuntu ?
[17:01] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:01] <ScottK> paissad_: #ubuntu-packaging (I think that's it's name) is for packaging help outside of Ubuntu (like PPAs)
[17:36] <hyperair> is anyone processing SRUs for maverick yet?
[17:38] <ScottK> None have been uploaded yet.
[17:40] <hyperair> ScottK: would you mind uploading one for me please? =)
[17:40] <hyperair> it's libgpod.
[17:41] <ScottK> I'm a bit tied up at the moment.  Maybe later today.
[17:41] <hyperair> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgpod/+bug/652855
[17:41] <hyperair> sure
[17:41] <ScottK> If it's an SRU it won't get accepted until after release anyway, so there's no rush.
[17:42]  * hyperair nods
[17:43] <hyperair> ScottK: do i have to wait until libgpod is accepted before uploading banshee and banshee-community-extensions (bce depends on banshee which depends on libgpod) to -proposed?
[17:43] <hyperair> or can i just upload those two already?
[17:44] <ScottK> hyperair: No, they can all be uploaded, but if you're thinking of getting new releases in through updates, you ought to pre-coordinate with ubuntu-sru if you haven't.
[17:44] <hyperair> ScottK: pre-coordinate how?
[17:45] <ScottK> hyperair: Usually we don't accept new versions in -updates (except for the few packages that have micro-version update exceptions).
[17:45] <ScottK> So if you upload new versions to updates without talking to them, I think they are likely to just reject it.
[17:45]  * ScottK isn't on ubuntu-sru, so can't say for sure.
[17:45] <hyperair> ScottK: so who in ubuntu-sru can i talk to about this?
[17:46] <ScottK> Normally pitti would be best, but he hasn't been around much.  Not sure.
[17:47] <hyperair> i see.
[17:47] <hyperair> what about seb128?
[17:48] <ricotz> hyperair, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+members#active
[17:48] <hyperair> well, why didn't i think about that? =)
[18:12] <paissad_> is  there another alternative to dput ? ... i know there's one .. but i've forgotten it
[18:15] <happyaron> dupload?
[18:17] <paissad_> hmm, maybe
[18:24] <jonrafkind> i uploaded a file to my ppa ftp account using dput, am I supposed to take action after that?
[18:25] <jonrafkind> i was expecting the ubuntu servers to attempt to build my package and send me an email or something
[18:30] <cjwatson> jonrafkind: you should get an e-mail when the system accepts your upload, although you won't get an e-mail after the build unless the build fails.  If you don't get an e-mail on accept, then see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors
[18:31] <jonrafkind> oh oops ok I got an email about upload failure. i forgot the tilda in front of the path
[18:31] <jonrafkind> is this the right path to use? ~rafkind/ppa/ubuntu
[18:31] <ebroder> If you're using dput, then just upload to ppa:rafkind/ubuntu
[18:32] <jonrafkind> isnt that only in 9.10? i have 9.04
[18:32] <happyaron> jonrafkind: then you'd change your ~/dput.cf
[18:32] <jonrafkind> yes..
[18:33] <happyaron> .dput.cf
[18:33] <jonrafkind> but is my path right?
[18:33] <happyaron> yes it is
[18:33] <jonrafkind> ok
[19:02] <jonrafkind> are you sure thats the right path? i got this error: Could not find a PPA named 'ppa' for 'rafkind'.
[19:02] <jonrafkind> should i use the name of my ppa instead of the characters 'ppa' ?
[19:02] <happyaron> jonrafkind: what's your launchpad username
[19:02] <jonrafkind> rafkind
[19:03] <happyaron> jonrafkind: well, you didn't use the default name, ppa
[19:03] <happyaron> instead, you named it after "paintown"
[19:04] <jonrafkind> yea
[19:04] <happyaron> so ~rafkind/paintown/ppa and try again
[19:04] <jonrafkind> the directions are sort of ambiguous about this
[19:04] <happyaron> so ~rafkind/paintown/ubuntu, sorry
[19:04] <jonrafkind> ok
[19:04] <jonrafkind> this is pretty stupid how i get the path error after i upload the entire file
[19:04] <jonrafkind> it takes me 20 minutes to upload this file, and then i get an error about the wrong file path
[19:05] <happyaron> :(
[19:07] <jonrafkind> if the default name was ppa then why do the dput directions on the launchpad page say 'dput ppa:rafkind/paintown <source.changes> '
[19:07] <jonrafkind> so if i changed my package name from 'ppa' to 'paintown' that should affect the 'ubuntu' in that path
[19:07] <jonrafkind> are you sure its not ~rafkind/ppa/paintown ?
[19:08] <jonrafkind> sorry i mean, 'that should not affect the ubuntu in the path'
[19:11] <happyaron> jonrafkind: 'ubuntu' is always the finishing thing in your path of launchpad ppa
[19:12] <jonrafkind> https://launchpad.net/~rafkind/+archive/paintown
[19:12] <jonrafkind> can you see the contents of this page?
[19:12] <jonrafkind> it says dput ppa:rafkind/paintown
[19:13] <happyaron> jonrafkind: yes, that's correct
[19:14] <jonrafkind> so.. that doesnt end with /ubuntu
[19:14] <jonrafkind> or you're saying the 9.10 version of dput is different from the ftp version?
[19:14] <jonrafkind> if i had just used 'ppa' as the name then it would be 'dput ppa:rafkind/ppa' ?
[19:15] <happyaron> jonrafkind: yes, if you have 9.10 or higher, just do that
[19:15] <jonrafkind> right, but i dont
[19:16] <jonrafkind> im just wondering about the naming convnetions
[19:16] <happyaron> jonrafkind: if not, you should use ~username/ppaname/ubuntu
[19:16] <ebroder> jonrafkind: Just add this block to your ~/.dput.cf: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/504628/
[19:16] <ebroder> Then you can do dput ppa:rafkind/paintown or whatever
[19:16] <jonrafkind> ok. the directions were confusing because they say 'probably you should use the default name ppa'
[19:17] <ebroder> the ppa: URLs were a configuration, not a code, change
[19:17] <jonrafkind> but thats sort of ridiculous because when i created the ppa i wanted to give it a name
[19:17] <jonrafkind> it seems most likely that people will name their ppa something other than 'ppa'
[19:17] <jonrafkind> so the directions should say 'use the name that you chose when you created the ppa'
[19:18] <happyaron> jonrafkind: you may want to discuss these things at #launchpad, :)
[19:18] <jonrafkind> whats %(ppas)s ?
[19:18] <jonrafkind> is that a meta comment?
[19:18] <ebroder> jonrafkind: It doesn't matter. It's the magic that makes ppa: URLs work
[19:19] <jonrafkind> so if i use that and then do 'dput ppa:rafkind/paintown' it would work?
[19:19] <ebroder> Yes
[19:19] <jonrafkind> oh ok, and this is the only change between 9.04 and 9.10?
[19:19] <ebroder> It's the only one relevant to dput ppa: working
[19:20] <jonrafkind> ok, thanks