[00:23] <xubuntu086> udhdhushdusd
[06:59] <ubuXubu> all is calm in the peaceful binary rainforest known as...........xubuntu!
[07:24] <Hydrozii> lol
[07:51] <Hydrozii> xubuntu is the best ubuntu!
[08:19] <ubuXubu> boontoo is Qool
[08:22] <moetunes> seems the education system isn't of much benefit to the young'ns these days...
[09:22] <ubuXubu> shit 2 beep evertime i turn this box on and a yellow "d" light on on the back....dammit
[09:34] <chris_> hi, i installed xubuntu with the command "live xforcevesa"    but i got a black screen while i restart, how to fix it?
[09:35] <moetunes> why did you feel it was necessary to use that option pls/
[09:35] <moetunes> chris_:  ?
[09:35] <chris_> moetunes, cause i can't get to the install screen
[09:36] <moetunes> ok
[09:36] <chris_> it seems that it can't recognize my display card
[09:36] <moetunes> and what is the display card?
[09:36] <chris_> i'm using IBM X40 notebook
[09:38] <moetunes> http://gnuru.org/article/1497/installing-linux-on-thinkpad-x40-with-cf-drive - might give a clue
[09:39] <chris_> AGP - Intel Extreme Graphics 2 Shared video memory (UMA)
[09:39] <moetunes> there's some bugs mentioned about that notebook - http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=IBM+X40+ubuntu&btnG=Search
[09:42] <chris_> no... nothing helps
[09:43] <moetunes> chris_:  you might need to add a boot option like nomodeset let me check
[09:43] <chris_> thanks
[09:44] <chris_> i tried with i915.modeset=1
[09:46] <moetunes> it might be too old for the 915 driver
[09:47] <moetunes> http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/ubuntu-thinkpad-x40.html - says it works with 7.04 ubuntu
[09:49] <moetunes> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2010-06/msg01081.html - offers a solution chris_
[09:50] <chris_> ok, i'll take a look
[09:52] <chris_> will try
[09:52] <chris_> brb
[09:53] <moetunes> chris_:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes - says there is an issue with your hardware but offers workarounds :]
[09:53] <moetunes> maybe he found something...
[11:37] <rumbert> has any Xubuntu user successfully used UbuntuOne?
[11:38] <rumbert> on Lucid?
[11:38] <Sysi> do you have peroblem with it? it should work by just installing client
[11:38] <rumbert> Sysi: It seems I have multiple problems with it.
[11:38] <rumbert> Sync is not working. If I drop a file in the ubuntu1 folder in nautilus it has a cloud with a red mark.  Deleting on the web site is not working .  ``u1sdtool -c`` hangs
[11:38] <rumbert> done after : u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login
[11:39] <Sysi> nautilus isn't actually xubuntu business, but i'll let someone who has tried tell
[11:40] <rumbert> Sysi: is there ubuntu1 integration in Thunar?
[11:40] <Sysi> i think not, i didn't know nautilus had
[11:41] <moetunes> is it a fuse mount type of thing?
[11:42]  * rumbert checks
[11:42] <rumbert> moetunes: it operates under a directory "Ubuntu One" under the home directory, so not under ~/.gvfs
[11:43] <moetunes> rumbert:  ok - I don't use it
[11:43] <rumbert> I see no connection to .gvfs. i don't know whether FUSE.
[11:46] <moetunes> gvfs = gnome virtual file system iirc - which is fuse afaik - I could be wrong tho
[11:48] <rumbert> moetunes: there is a bridge to allow GVFS to be used by FUSE, but not to allow other fuse FSs to be used via GVFS
[11:49] <moetunes> rumbert:  that is good to know thnxs - I don't do anything that uses either tho - great for future reference :}
[11:52] <rumbert> you can use it to mount Zip archives on the filesystem by gvfs.  the only way i know to control that is by nautilus
[11:52] <rumbert> then you can read the zip archives as if they were opened.
[11:54] <moetunes> I'm old school - why would you mount a zip archive?
[11:55] <moetunes> xarchiver will show what's in them
[11:56] <rumbert> speed: reading is faster from the compressed file.  Convenience: no need for duplicate data; 1 copy in the archive and one extracted; no mess cleaning up the extracted after you no longer need it.  Adequate space: maybe you don't even have space to extract everything.
[11:58] <moetunes> I look at a zip archive in xarchiver and then decide to extract or not - no space used at all if i don't extract afaik
[11:58] <moetunes> but it is gnu/linux - do what works for you  :)
[12:00] <moetunes> but this doesn't solve the ubuntuone issue you have rumbert
[12:04] <jg47hm> how to change my keyboard input language???
[12:06] <moetunes> jg47hm:  when you open the menu what is the first option?
[12:06] <jg47hm> what menu. you mean applications?
[12:07] <moetunes> yep
[12:07] <jg47hm> ubuntu center software
[12:07] <moetunes> system settings isn't it?
[12:07] <jg47hm> is not the first option
[12:07] <moetunes> jg47hm:  which xubuntu version are you using?
[12:08] <jg47hm> 10.4
[12:09] <moetunes> in the menu is there a system settings option?
[12:09] <jg47hm> yeap
[12:10] <moetunes> in there is a keyboard option option
[12:10] <moetunes> option'
[12:11] <jg47hm> there is an option <language support>. there i change everything into greek but when i press shift alt it doesn't changes
[12:14] <moetunes> jg47hm:  you should check in the package manager that greek language is installed perhaps
[12:15] <moetunes> I am guessing here I only ever use the english keyboard
[12:59] <xubuntu648> hi
[12:59] <moetunes> hello
[12:59] <xubuntu648> how can i play my MP3s in xubuntu?
[12:59] <moetunes> !mp3
[13:00] <xubuntu648> :) thanks
[13:00] <xubuntu648> and can i read ntfs partitions?
[13:00] <moetunes> I install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:00] <moetunes> ntfs reading is built into the kernel so yes :)
[13:01] <moetunes> ntfs writing is diff tho
[13:01] <moetunes> !info ntfs-3g
[13:01] <moetunes> installed by default it seems
[13:02] <xubuntu648> my mp3s are in other drive i asked because of that
[13:03] <xubuntu648> and whick format is useful for xubuntu ext3 or ext4 ?
[13:03] <moetunes> you'll have to mount the drive if it wasn't picked up during the install - is it listed ine the folder /media?
[13:04] <moetunes> I would pick ext4 myself
[13:04] <xubuntu648> yes
[13:04] <moetunes> woot!
[13:04] <rumbert> xubuntu648: ext4 or ext2 (not 3)
[13:04] <moetunes> I would pick ext4 myself
[13:04] <rumbert> with ext2 you can recover
[13:04] <rumbert> I would pick ext4
[13:04] <Sysi> rumbert: other way round
[13:05] <moetunes> thnxs Sysi
[13:05] <Sysi> ext3 is ext2 with journalaizing
[13:05] <rumbert> Sysi: we're talking about different kinds of recovery
[13:05] <xubuntu648> but xubuntu seems cool, i 'll use it first time
[13:05] <rumbert> I'm talking about undeleting
[13:05] <Sysi> ext2 is faster but i'd choose ext4, it's fast too
[13:05] <Sysi> ext3 is slow and safe
[13:05] <moetunes> linux is not built to make undeleting easy
[13:06] <xubuntu648> i should exit :) installation has finished
[13:06] <Sysi> journalizing is made for uneleting
[13:06] <xubuntu648> thanks for informations
[13:06] <Sysi> *undeleting
[13:07] <moetunes> I think we helped...
[13:07] <TheSheep> Sysi: really?
[13:08] <TheSheep> Sysi: how do you do that?
[13:08] <moetunes> hello TheSheep :)
[13:12] <rumbert> Sysi: no it is not.
[13:12] <Sysi> rumbert: yes it is
[13:13] <moetunes> journalling is for when you trip on the power cord and lose power
[13:13] <Sysi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
[13:14] <moetunes> n the event of a system crash or power failure,
[13:14] <Sysi> "undeleting"
[13:14] <Sysi> but how would undeleting in ext2 be easier?
[13:15] <moetunes> If a crash occurs between steps 1 and 2, there will be an orphaned inode and hence a storage leak. On the other hand, if only step 2 is performed first before the crash, the not-yet-deleted file will be marked free and possibly be overwritten by something else. - is the only mention of delete
[13:16] <Sysi> more being written could be
[13:16] <TheSheep> journaling is for keeping the filesystem consistent in cases of various failures
[13:16] <moetunes> in ext2 there is noting for delete - linux overwrites delted files with 0's
[13:16] <TheSheep> moetunes: that's not true
[13:17] <TheSheep> moetunes: it just adds the blocks to the free blocks list
[13:17] <TheSheep> moetunes: the problem is, the inode entries are gone, so you don't know which blocks and in what order they are
[13:17] <TheSheep> moetunes: but if you know what you are looking for, you can recover it
[13:18] <moetunes> TheSheep:  I may have been misinformed - a grep for any text from a deleted file fails here at least
[13:18] <TheSheep> moetunes: well, the blocks are getting reused and overwritten
[13:19] <TheSheep> moetunes: and I think it's a stack, so the last freed blocks get reused first
[13:20] <TheSheep> moetunes: there are tools like 'shred' that actually overwrite the file they are deleting
[13:20] <moetunes> TheSheep:  I've tried to recover text files without doing anything else and failed
[13:21] <TheSheep> moetunes: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html
[13:21] <moetunes> thnxs
[13:22] <moetunes> oops ext4 here
[13:22] <moetunes> In order to ensure that ext3 can safely resume an unlink after a crash, it actually zeros out the block pointers in the inode, whereas ext2 just marks these blocks as unused in the block bitmaps and marks the inode as "deleted" and leaves the block pointers alone.
[13:23] <moetunes> so after ext2 it zeros
[13:23] <TheSheep> moetunes: it only zeroes the pointers, not the blocks themselves
[13:23] <TheSheep> moetunes: the data is still there
[13:25] <moetunes> ok :] - still learning from you TheSheep after a couple of years
[13:25] <moetunes> "Your only hope is to "grep" for parts of your files that have been deleted and hope for the best."
[13:25] <moetunes> ^ fails here
[13:25] <TheSheep> there are actually tools for searching for common file patterns
[13:25] <TheSheep> like images
[13:26] <TheSheep> or mp3s
[13:26] <moetunes> I believed it failed do to the fact it zeroed the file...
[13:26] <moetunes> *due
[13:28] <moetunes> I never moved to shred 'cause rm worked so well here - I have never been able to recover a trace of a file that I deleted - tho I haven't tried too hard
[13:31] <TheSheep> it's best to just keep a backup
[13:31] <supremo> i won't use clonezilla
[13:35] <moetunes> if i am dumb enough to delete a file I want to keep I am willing to to live with the angst I caused ...
[14:16] <giuseppedf> does anybody know why sometime, after big data file copying my mouse movement is not smooth and it is impulsed? Is there any istruction (by shell is good too) to reset my mouse?
[14:18] <moetunes> you could look at   man xset
[14:19] <giuseppedf> moetunes, man xset????
[14:20] <moetunes> giuseppedf:  in terminal type man xset - there are mouse options
[14:20] <moetunes> best I COULD DO WITH THE LIMITED INFO
[14:21] <moetunes> sorry I hit caps lock by mistake
[14:21] <moetunes> for the i
[14:21] <giuseppedf> moetunes, yes correct, but I have to say that the mouse works fine. the problem in that sometime, after a big data file moving it does not work fine while the touch pad works fine
[14:21] <giuseppedf> moetunes, was i clear?
[14:21] <moetunes> no
[14:22] <moetunes> I didn't know it was a touchpad
[14:22] <moetunes> I don't use one
[14:22] <giuseppedf> moetunes, well, when I turn on my lap top everything works fine
[14:22] <moetunes> start again pls :)
[14:22] <giuseppedf> moetunes, then, if i move a big data file, sometimes the mouse (only the mouse) does not work fine
[14:23] <giuseppedf> moetunes, and I am obliged to restart the laptop if I want my mouse working fine
[14:23] <giuseppedf> moetunes, ok?
[14:23] <giuseppedf> moetunes, :-)
[14:24] <giuseppedf> moetunes, probably I have to reset the USB driver because the touchpad works fine everytime
[14:24] <giuseppedf> moetunes, what do you think?
[14:24] <giuseppedf> moetunes, do you knpw if there is sehll command to restart the USB driver?
[14:26] <moetunes> giuseppedf:  first question is did you give a bit of time for the file transfer - sometimes after the transfer dialog closes the app still runs?
[14:27] <moetunes> what is the hardware? - how big is the file?
[14:27] <giuseppedf> moetunes, for example 1 giga
[14:28] <giuseppedf> moetunes, it is a normal wire mouse
[14:28] <giuseppedf> moetunes, do you know how to restart the USB module?
[14:28] <moetunes> here the file dialog closes and the system is still doing its' thing for up to twenty secs for a 1.5GB file
[14:29] <giuseppedf> moetunes, so, what do you mean?
[14:31] <moetunes> giuseppedf:  I don't know how to restart the usb module - maybe someone else does
[14:32] <giuseppedf> moetunes, ok Thank a lot for your time!
[14:32] <giuseppedf> moetunes,
[14:32] <giuseppedf> moetunes, Ciaooo!
[15:10] <andycc> hey guys, I have a problem with Xubuntu: I have a free space meter applet set to show me free space on the /home partition and the free space dropped from 182gb to 179gb in about 10 minutes... I only have pidgin running, so what's wrong?
[23:59] <Hydrozii> has anybody set up a minecraft server in xubuntu?