[00:17] <Tir_Eoghan> hmmm... so I marked chromium for complete removal, and it says that it's necessary to remove lubuntu-desktop as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that leave me with an unworking OS?
[00:17] <bioterror> you can try to install lubuntu-desktop back ;)
[00:17] <bioterror> and see if it suggests chromium again
[00:17] <Tir_Eoghan> lol
[00:18] <bioterror> lubuntu-desktop is a meta package
[00:18] <Tir_Eoghan> what does that mean?
[00:19] <bioterror> it install all the needed lubuntu packages that are needed for the lubuntu to be run as a desktop capable system
[00:19] <bioterror> just like there's xubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop
[00:19] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Remove%20lubuntu-desktop
[00:19] <Tir_Eoghan> ah, right. Makes sense
[00:21] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan:  it is just the meta package (a list of applications) and can be safely removed, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/RemoveLubuntuDesktop has further details
[00:21] <Tir_Eoghan> ah, whew. thats a relief
[00:23] <Tir_Eoghan> I had this horrifying image of me being booted back to command line, I've seen to much of that lately and I really don't know my way around it.
[00:23] <bioterror> :D
[00:23] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: chromium is our suggested browser, as it requires less resources than firefox etc. You are free to add and delete programmes, but you will have a non-standard installtion which the small team cannot fully support.
[00:23] <bioterror> phillw, how about midori?-)
[00:23] <bioterror> hahahaha
[00:23] <bioterror> sorry, wrong chan :d
[00:24] <phillw> bioterror: it is not the one on the list that we support; hence you cannot expect support. Chromium is not the same as Chrome and supports html5, so flash player is not needed for you-tube etc.
[00:24] <bioterror> midori should be less resource hungry and doesnt send what you browse to Big G ;)
[00:26] <phillw> bioterror: Chromium does NOT send stuff to 'G', it was a requirement of it being used that they split the logging part out of it. You're thinking of Chrome, same browser, but with log reports.
[00:26] <Tir_Eoghan> I think you mentioned that to me before bioterror.. Thats probably where I'll end up. It may be irrational, but I can't abide anything google related, well programed or not.
[00:27] <bioterror> I'm not a huge G fan too myself, but I'm using chromium
[00:27] <bioterror> it's fast ;)
[00:28] <phillw> that's because it isn't sending everything you do back to 'head office' :p
[00:28] <bioterror> but they say chrome is best malmware ever made
[00:28] <phillw> wb zkriesse
[00:28] <Tir_Eoghan> I guess I'll have to give chromium a fair shot when I have the os actually installed
[00:30] <Tir_Eoghan> I'll install firefox, and midori, and see which one i like better.
[00:30] <phillw> bioterror: I beg to disagree, but this is not the channel to discuss it on :-) Head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=11 to read / air your views
[00:31] <szczur> phillw, afaik midori supports html5 too and passes ACID3 test
[00:32] <Tir_Eoghan> wait, they actually stripped chromium down for this release?
[00:32] <phillw> I find chromium to be an excellent browser, and the team who deal with bugs very quick to fix them. I have to use Ffox for some of my web-development work, but the web-develepors tools in chromium are coming along very well.
[00:32] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: Chromium <> Chrome, never has been.
[00:33]  * phillw waves to szczur
[00:33] <szczur> hi phillw :)
[00:33] <szczur> i would go for the midori :P
[00:34] <szczur> chromium is as heavy as other mainline browsers :P
[00:34] <szczur> midori is like arora (only for GTK) :P
[00:34] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: http://blog.chromium.org/2008/10/google-chrome-chromium-and-google.html
[00:35] <phillw> fabian, one the guys who goes bug chasing usually has a fix in 20 hours; he's a star.
[00:35] <Tir_Eoghan> thanks for all the info phill, I have the feeling I'm stepping in on a previous heated debate, as such thanks for not biting my head off *grin*
[00:36] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: no, people do get all heated up. I prefer to use the cool calm approach and let people read the facts instead of hear-say ;-)
[00:39] <Tir_Eoghan> thanks, I should have read up on it early. The term google activates my infinite loop fear response though, and all rational thought leaves me in a puff of paranoia
[00:52] <zkriesse_> lol
[00:56] <Tir_Eoghan> hmmm... interesting. learn something new every day.
[00:57] <phillw> chromium would not have been let near the *buntu family if it were reporting back ;-)
[00:57] <Tir_Eoghan> maybe I can learn to like chromium
[00:58] <Tir_Eoghan> so technically chromium never was released by google, it just contains some of the code that chrome is built on.
[00:58] <phillw> it's a bit different, but is quite a capable browser. I still have to use Ffox for some tasks, but that is only on the development side.
[01:00] <Tir_Eoghan> kind of like if you reverse engineered IE, fixed it up a bit and released it (although why anyone would attempt that beast of a task I care not to think)
[01:00] <phillw> afaik, google do support (as in pay money to) chromium, but chromium is arms length and has no spy ware in it.
[01:01] <phillw> google use the chromium package to improve their browser, chrome. hence the similar names.
[01:01] <phillw> !chromium | phillw
[01:02] <Tir_Eoghan> I assumed chromium was just a lighter version of chrome released by google, and was scratching my head as to why that would be included in a distro like this.
[01:02] <phillw> !chrome | phillw
[01:02] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: can I get the ubot to send you a PM that may help?
[01:03] <Tir_Eoghan> sure
[01:03] <phillw> !chromium | Tir_Eoghan
[01:08] <Tir_Eoghan> interesting, that goes way over my head. I can program formulae into excell spreadsheets and thats about it.
[01:10] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: just as i suppport lubuntu, I also help test out the new chromium builds. It is a great project and the guy liasing with the ubuntu family is a really good guy & very quick to get bugs fixed.
[01:11]  * phillw also loves https://launchpad.net/~alexey-smirnov/+archive/deadbeef
[01:11] <phillw> which maybe one day we  will get adopted.
[01:12] <Tir_Eoghan> alright, you sold me, I'll give chromium a fair shot. I guess I ought to cancel my purchase of www.antichromium.com
[01:16] <Tir_Eoghan> and www.scratchchromium.com although that is a fantastic website name.
[01:17] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: everything in this environment is "try before you buy", then when you decide on what you want, guess wha? It is free, for life, with updates and support.
[01:18] <phillw> that website is some scamming B* trying to get your bank details off you.
[01:18] <Tir_Eoghan> gotta say thats a tough concept to understand coming from windows. I'm used to feeling like I'm getting fleeced by software developers.
[01:19] <Tir_Eoghan> wait which one? You mean I didn't think up original website names?
[01:19] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37
[01:24] <Tir_Eoghan> ok, that windows air bit gave me quite a laugh
[01:27] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: you will find we do have a sense of humour, you will also find that we are volunteers who want to help others.
[01:28] <phillw> computers can actually be fun, although this is purely a support channel #i do hope I've given you some insight into the mind set of how and what both lubuntu and the whole linux community is all about.
[01:29] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: may I ask you age?
[01:29] <Tir_Eoghan> wait, volunteer to help others?! why would someone do that, madness. In all seriousness, thanks for all your help and answering my questions in a patient way.
[01:30] <Tir_Eoghan> I'm twenty eight going on twelve
[01:34] <phillw> that's why it doesn't cost you a fortune to but it & buy support, we all help each other. For example, I'm one of the documentation people who try to keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp all updated and moving the help over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp which is where is has to be for lubuntu to be adopted.
[01:35] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: keep a log of your learning about lubuntu, put in it what you find easy, what you find hard. We need feed back from people like you to be better able to help the next person.
[01:37] <phillw> help me improve the beginners section.
[01:37] <Tir_Eoghan> will do, so far the tough thing for me is sorting through all my options. I'm finding myself wanting to buy a few more identical computers so I can try distro's out side by side.
[01:39] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: well, I'm an advocate of lubuntu and the entire ubuntu family. lubuntu is still a small team in terms of people avaialble to answer questions, but you can always ask questions on http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php if none of us are about, when you post the question, you will have the option to post it as lubuntu.
[01:40] <Tir_Eoghan> so far I've tryed Feisty Fawn, Vector Linux, Xubuntu (aborted install attempt), and currently running a LiveCD of lubuntu, my first attempted install was I believe Tinylinux, or DSL. Having no knowledge of how to install grub/lilo or where to install grub/lilo without a guided installer those failed.
[01:42] <phillw> Lubuntu is really nice, but as I'm biased, please have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52
[01:43] <Tir_Eoghan> to be perfectly honest, chromium is whats kept me from installing lubuntu. Although now that I understand the situation there, I think I'll take the plunge.
[01:46] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: I very much doubt you will be disappointed, one of the nice things of being on here and having a lubuntu area on my forum is when people say thanks. That is why we volunteer; 10 people log on, ask questions and leave, 1 comes back on says thankyou.
[01:47] <phillw> "You had to do WHAT with the seat" :p
[01:48] <phillw> wb zkriesse
[01:48] <Tir_Eoghan> so far I'm really happy with it, and still stunned by the fact that the livecd works so well on my (lets be perfectly honest) antiquated system. It will make my future obsessive changing of os's be able to be done with no fear of entirely losing acess to my files and internet.
[01:49] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: lubuntu is specifically designed for "older" computers. It is the reason it exists.
[01:49] <Tir_Eoghan> the livecd works better then optimized windows xp
[01:50] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: if you can run xp, lubuntu will fly like the proverbial off a shovel. It will run on machines designed for win 98
[01:51] <Tir_Eoghan> hmmm.. now I can't wait to try it.
[01:51] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: "A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with Lubuntu."
[01:52] <phillw> try running XP on that :p
[01:54] <Tir_Eoghan> do you have tutorials up for fulling securing the os? thats my next greatest concern, I was running avast anti-virus with zonealarm, and every week or so running several adware/spyware removes on my system, also had peerblock on.. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I never had a major virus cripple my system. Aside from the usual windowsxp virus
[01:55] <phillw> you do not need them with linux, it is a completely different system. let me go dig out the link for you
[01:56] <phillw> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812  skip down to windows mind-set on the thread.
[01:56] <Tir_Eoghan> thanks, that will help
[01:56] <sgh> 1. due to the fact that Windows accounts the greatest marketshare, it is the primary target for viruses also
[01:57] <phillw> the 1st part is for servers etc.
[01:58] <sgh> 2. even if you get infected by a virus for linux it won't be able to do as much harm as a virus under Windows
[02:00] <phillw> sgh: there are no viruses for linux :-)  it is complete FUD
[02:00] <phillw> there are attacks on our servers, which is a completely different thing.
[02:01] <Tir_Eoghan> hmm.. good to know. Next order of business is figuring out how to use iptables and ip blacklists. I'll be acquiring another barebones comp soon to use as bulletproof firewall
[02:01] <phillw> sgh: Tir_Eoghan bottom line is that > Major organisations like IBM, Amazon & Google run Linux.
[02:02] <Tir_Eoghan> really, hmm.. thats good to know
[02:02] <sgh> I've heard that even Microsoft ran Linux on their servers for a long time :D
[02:03] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: the standard install comes completely firewalled
[02:03] <Tir_Eoghan> wait, next your going to tell me. It comes with a butler that serves me champagne and lights my cigarettes
[02:04] <phillw> sgh: I also get their security bulletins saying thet have a major security breach that they will take a month to fix :P
[02:04] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: no, you have to pay extra for that :p You can, if you are a company, buy dedicated support.
[02:05] <Tir_Eoghan> so why do people use windows anyway? you can run windows programs in linux with wine I've heard (and a better computer)
[02:05] <phillw> that is done by canonical http://www.canonical.com/
[02:05] <sgh> Wine can't handle every application yet
[02:07] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: and, to be honest, why should be support windows? Linux is a completely different system.
[02:07] <phillw> /s/be/we
[02:07] <Tir_Eoghan> good point
[02:08] <phillw> they charge hundreds of dollars, we do it for free. As per the Simpsons "Doh".... it's not difficult to do the maths, even Bart could do it :p
[02:10] <phillw> but, again we digress, this conversation should be on #ubuntu-beginners-team
[02:10]  * phillw they allow me and others on there for off topic chat
[02:14] <Tir_Eoghan> hmmm... now I'm reading about wine being one of the only potential ways windows viruses can work on linux.. yeah, think I'm better off sticking with linux programs.
[02:17] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: yeah, it can, but even then linux will protect it. We're dead good that way :-)
[02:17] <Tir_Eoghan> hehe
[02:18] <Tir_Eoghan> sounds like essentially the key thing to remember, is stay out of root, unless absolutely necessary
[02:18] <phillw> all the antivirus boot disks that you windows users get charged for are completely free.
[02:18] <Tir_Eoghan> well, I just stole all those, but lets move swiftly along from that point. hehe
[02:19] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: you're so used to paying for stuff, in linux it is all free.
[02:19] <phillw> free as in completely free, not pirated / ripped of etc.
[02:19] <sgh> there are some commercial distributions by the way
[02:20] <Tir_Eoghan> figured I'd spent enough money on windows and I wasn't about to pay for fixing something they should have fixed.
[02:20] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: you most likely installed another virus / root kit / key logger when you 'stole' it.
[02:21] <Tir_Eoghan> one of the reasons I switched over, found myself pirating more and more just to stay relatively current. Eventually my entire system was pirated (aside from hardware), due to lost disks lost key's etc.
[02:22] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17
[02:23] <phillw> or even just http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=6
[02:24] <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: when you are next bored, just have a trawl round, it is where I keep all my notes and links for when I'm helping out :-)
[02:24] <Tir_Eoghan> will do thanks
[02:31] <sgh> good night
[02:32] <sgh> and thanks for helping me out with grub2 phillw
[02:42] <phillw> hyperair: are you about ?
[03:08] <Tir_Eoghan> great info phil, lot of good advice I may have to forward on to my windows/mac useing friends. Also some very comforting things for me to read
[05:01] <hyperair> !ops
[05:01] <hyperair> hmm i see. so that works.
[05:03] <Mohan_chml> hyperair: Mohi At your service :D
[05:04] <Mohan_chml> :o
[05:04] <Mohan_chml> -_-'
[05:04] <hyperair> hehehe
[05:05] <hyperair> anyway you're on the access list now ;-)
[05:05] <Mohan_chml> hyperair: saw that ;)
[05:05] <Mohan_chml> -ChanServ- 5     Mohan-chml             +votriA (OP) [modified 58 seconds ago]
[05:05] <hyperair> =)
[05:05] <Mohan_chml> get to #lubuntu-offtopic
[11:52] <Timo_> hey]
[12:13] <|friTTe|> is there someway to change the names in the mneu?
[12:14] <|friTTe|> once i done that with right click it goes back to normal
[13:10] <Timo_> |friTTe|: sorry no idea..
[14:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> Ouch! might be too big
[14:47] <IAmNotThatGuy> lol phillw Not like that. Lets think more
[14:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> Then what happened to my client O_O
[14:49] <phillw> how's that look?
[14:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> Cool :)
[14:59] <IAmNotThatGuy> ALL OF YOU. Look at the topic....! we have an offtopic channel from now
[15:28] <Mohan_chml> friTTe^: saw the topic?
[15:36] <friTTe^> yeah
[15:36] <friTTe^> new channel and stuff
[16:03] <manfredrasta> hi all
[16:06] <manfredrasta> is there anybody here?
[16:06] <manfredrasta> I'll need some support
[16:08] <manfredrasta> nothingspecial, hi! do you remember me? We were trying to connect my klaptop to the wifi
[16:08] <manfredrasta> mmmmmmm
[16:08] <kosaidpo> hello
[16:08] <manfredrasta> hi
[16:08] <kosaidpo> whts good
[16:08] <manfredrasta> sorry?
[16:08] <kosaidpo> m lubuntu is bein so slow lately idk why
[16:09] <manfredrasta> what is idk?
[16:09] <kosaidpo> i dont kno -idk
[16:09] <kosaidpo> idont kno = idk
[16:09] <kosaidpo> sorry tho
[16:09] <manfredrasta> cant understand you. Anyway I'm sure I couldn't help you
[16:10] <manfredrasta> im really noob
[16:10] <manfredrasta> KukuNut, are oyu here?
[16:10] <KukuNut> what's up?
[16:10] <manfredrasta> hi
[16:11] <manfredrasta> I'll need some support
[16:11] <manfredrasta> could you helpo me?
[16:11] <manfredrasta> KukuNut, I cant connect to my wifi line
[16:11] <KukuNut> was it working before?
[16:12] <manfredrasta> It allready works with windows
[16:12] <manfredrasta> but not with lubuntu
[16:12] <manfredrasta> they are different laptops
[16:12] <kosaidpo> manfredrasta: do you have network manager ??
[16:12] <sgh> kosaidpo: do you use 10.04 or 10.10? 10.10 is slower for me than 10.04 was
[16:12] <manfredrasta> kosaidpo, yes
[16:12] <kosaidpo> 10.10
[16:12] <kosaidpo> yehh
[16:13] <manfredrasta> kosaidpo, i can also see my line
[16:13] <kosaidpo> ohh im havin meerkat
[16:13] <kosaidpo> thats pretty sad tho
[16:13] <sgh> meerkat = 10.10
[16:13] <sgh> :D
[16:13] <kosaidpo> yeh i kno
[16:13] <kosaidpo> :D
[16:13] <sgh> well was it slow for you since you've installed it or is it slower today?
[16:14] <kosaidpo> yehh
[16:14] <kosaidpo> since i upgraded to meerakt
[16:14] <manfredrasta> I have to leave
[16:15] <manfredrasta> bye bye
[16:15] <kosaidpo> have nce day
[16:15] <sgh> kosaidpo: one thing I can think of is the addition of the ubuntu update manager, which was introduced to lubuntu with 10.04
[16:16] <sgh> it has starts when you boot it - if you don't need it and update manually you can disable it
[16:16] <sgh> *it starts
[16:17] <kosaidpo> sgh: wel for the bottin process im usin preload and its good so far but i mean while using programs when its slow
[16:19] <kosaidpo> sgh:  do you use preload ?
[16:19] <sgh> kosaidpo: the update manager is started when you boot but it will not be stopped if you don't do it manually, therefore it takes resources throughout your whole session
[16:20] <sgh> kosaidpo: no, I don't use it
[16:21] <kosaidpo> ohhh
[16:21] <kosaidpo> really
[16:21] <kosaidpo> late me check then
[16:24] <kosaidpo> sgh:  iahd it runnin at the boot
[16:24] <kosaidpo> sgh: u sure it stays workin even after the boot process ??
[16:24] <kosaidpo> sgh: btw i advice u to check the preload its great
[16:25] <kosaidpo> for a happy bootin
[16:25] <sgh> yeah, it is supposed to tell you if new updates are available and checks for them, therefore I'm quite sure it works after the boot process
[16:26] <sgh> if you don't want to untick it you mustn't, that's just a assumption regarding the slowness
[16:26] <sgh> yeah I will check it out, thanks
[16:27] <kosaidpo> sgh: no i already did untick it
[16:27] <kosaidpo> since im usually updatin manually laltely
[16:27] <kosaidpo> i was lil excited abt the meerkat
[16:27] <sgh> me too
[16:27] <kosaidpo> cus i was syin that it ll be more lither :D
[16:30] <sgh> it's unfortunate that Ubuntu based distros aren't as light as Debian, Arch Linux or others if they use Xfce, LXDE or other resource saving desktop environments :/
[16:31] <kosaidpo> shg; oh really ??
[16:31] <kosaidpo> well im new to this linux word
[16:31] <kosaidpo> i used  ubuntu then kubuntu then im sticked wiuth lubuntu
[16:31] <kosaidpo> is archilinux way lither ?
[16:31] <kosaidpo> lighter
[16:31] <kosaidpo> ?
[16:32] <sgh> that's what many people say and tests confirmed
[16:33] <sgh> but I assume that it is really tough for a Ubuntu user to switch to Arch, due to the fact that there's no graphical installer (so partitioning must be done with a terminal)
[16:34] <sgh> there's a different package management also - apt commands are useless there
[16:35] <kosaidpo> yehh i guess its pacman
[16:35] <kosaidpo> or sumthin like this
[16:35] <sgh> yeah
[16:35] <kosaidpo> thers no gui durin the partiotionnin ?
[16:35] <sgh> during the whole install process
[16:35] <sgh> the partitioning was just an example
[16:36] <kosaidpo> ohh thats a lil scary'cus im not that good in the command line
[16:36] <phillw> sgh: partitioning should only need to be done the once (unless you're a tester like me). The mini-iso for ubuntu install is pretty darn small.
[16:37] <kosaidpo> phillw:  u didnt notice that lubuntu meerkat its lil bit slower ??
[16:38] <phillw> I'm running 9.10 standard ubuntu atm, as none of the others can 'see' my 3G dongle :'(
[16:39] <sgh> are there windows drivers for it?
[16:39] <sgh> phillw: does it make a difference to install a regular Lubuntu desktop or use a mini-iso and install the lubuntu-desktop package? (except for the smaller size?)
[16:40] <sgh> regarding resource usage
[16:40] <phillw> sgh: the ubiquity installer (the standard installer) requires more RAM to run than lubuntu needs once it is installed. It's covered more at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[16:41] <sgh> but in the end the desktop will use the same amount of RAM?
[16:46] <phillw> sgh: for a full install, yes; but with 10.10 comes a cut down version
[16:46] <sgh> lubuntu-core
[16:46] <phillw> sgh: yeah.
[16:47] <sgh> I guess I will do a minimal install with 10.10 final beta
[16:47] <sgh> and hope that grub sees my windows partition then :D
[16:48] <sgh> although I got it working by adding a custom entry
[16:50] <phillw> leave it as a custom entry, grub and windows can have fall outs. a custom entry will always be safe as updating grub will not affect it.
[16:50] <sgh> okay
[16:57] <sgh> does anyone here know how to clarify which files Transmission is allowed to share with other people? I want to seed Lubuntu but I don't want that any of my other files are uploaded
[17:01] <szczur> if the torrent is not on the download list it won't be seeded to anyone
[17:02] <phillw> sgh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BitTorrent has details on the various agents
[17:02] <phillw> oops, szczur beat me to it, as usual :D
[17:03] <szczur> :)
[17:03] <sgh> phillw and szczur: thanks
[17:03] <szczur> no problem :)
[17:37] <Mohan_chml> Timo_, Zach read the topic :D
[18:22] <phillw> szczur: have you got the size, in bytes, of the beta2 iso?
[18:22] <phillw> aka ls -l ?
[18:40] <szczur> ohh, haven't downloaded it yet
[19:23] <mmaksimov> Hi all. Is there a specific minimum RAM requirement for installing Lubuntu from a LiveCD session? Both beta1 and 2 hang creatively if installer is started on a 256Mb system with no cache. I believe the wiki should reflect this...
[19:24] <bioterror> 256MB should be enough
[19:25] <sgh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[19:25] <sgh> the requirements are mentioned in the wiki
[19:26] <mmaksimov> bioterror, my 256Mb box doesn't agree with you
[19:28] <sgh> probably it's related to the fact that you run without cache as you stated
[19:28] <mmaksimov> sgh, those 160Mb are I guess for running the installer from the CD menu directly, which does not work in both betas. If you start a liveCD session then installer the session takes some RAM i believe
[19:29] <mmaksimov> er.... aren't the Live CD and installer _supposed_ to run on bare metal without anything else configured?
[19:31] <sgh> the installer definitely is and therefore users with less than 160 MB can use it (without the gui)
[19:32] <sgh> the Live CD requires RAM because of its design - everything is loaded into the RAM and when it's full you'll experience problems
[19:32] <sgh> therefore a lot of RAM is required, this can't be changed
[19:34] <sgh> probably someone will come up with a new concept anytime, I mean the latest browsers can make use of the CPU and GPU now, probably something like that could be adopted
[19:35] <sgh> but to my knowledge something like this wasn't planned yet
[19:38] <mmaksimov> huh, I know a bit about where RAM goes..... I just wanted to empasize that the 160 Mb limit stated in the wiki is not totally correct with the current beta
[19:38] <phillw> the lubuntu team are looking to make a minimal install iso, but for the present just use the current instructions
[19:40] <phillw> mmaksimov: it has installed on 160MB, don't forget that in a lot of machines the 256MB is shared with the graphics driver, so the amount available for the System may well be less.
[19:41] <mmaksimov> phillw, 10.10 beta2?
[19:41] <phillw> the minimal install, requires the least amount of RAM to install, but you need an ethernet connection.
[19:41] <mmaksimov> I know that
[19:42] <mmaksimov> I've documented those two ways of taking eth0 under NetworkManager management afterwards
[19:44] <phillw> mmaksimov: I've not personally tried the beta2 with a low ram machine; if you're having an issue you or I can ask on the mailing list for other peoples' experiences, but at least one of the testers does test the install on a low RAM machine.
[20:03] <mmaksimov> phillw, I think those 8 hours' installations reported in the plymouth thread were run with cache... I'll sum up my findings on the list.
[20:04] <phillw> okies, thanks mmaksimov
[20:27] <bioterror> niice
[20:27] <bioterror> had to do touch /etc/alternatives/lxdm.conf ;)
[20:45] <phillw> mmaksimov: thanks for such a detailed e-mail, as soon as the team reply I'll ensure the wiki areas are updated.
[20:46] <phillw> I'll bbl, now have to go and do some work :-)
[20:53] <capleton> hi all.  I was wondering if it was possible to pick and choose the things that start at the beginning of each session?
[20:55] <bioterror> menu -> Preferences -> Desktop Session Settings
[20:56] <capleton> bioterror: thanks!
[20:56] <bioterror> and you can say to openbox too what you want to start
[20:57] <capleton> Is there also a way to get rid of the "ubuntu" screen with the lights that go back and forth?  I'd rather be able to see what is going on in the background
[20:57] <bioterror> hahaha
[20:57] <bioterror> alt+f1
[20:58] <bioterror> there's alot discussion about that in the mailing list
[20:58] <capleton> is there any way to have it not start x, and rather just bring me to a prompt?  would removing SliM do that?
[20:58] <bioterror> why would you like to do that?-)
[20:59] <capleton> I want to use the computer with screen and just ssh into it from another one.  But I like the idea of having LXDE on there in case I want a full DE.
[21:00] <capleton> plus the fan is really loud, and I feel like there is nothing less resouce hungry than the command line
[21:31] <floating> just install ubuntu cli and go from there, no need for lubuntu
[21:32] <floating> can be installed from ubuntu alternative iso
[21:57] <manfredrasta> is there anybody here?
[21:57] <manfredrasta> nothingspecial, are you here?
[21:59] <manfredrasta> hello?
[21:59] <manfredrasta> anybody?
[22:00] <manfredrasta> hi
[22:00] <manfredrasta> kwork, are you here?
[22:01] <kwork> yes?
[22:01] <IdleOne> manfredrasta: ask your question and if someone can help they will
[22:01] <kwork> manfredrasta i know nothing about lubuntu, so i doubt i will be helpful do you
[22:01] <kwork> to doy
[22:01] <kwork> you
[22:02] <manfredrasta> ok
[22:02] <manfredrasta> i go
[22:04] <szczur> manfredrasta, what do you need?
[22:05] <manfredrasta> Im wrtiting
[22:05] <manfredrasta> i need a minute
[22:05] <manfredrasta> :)
[22:05] <szczur> mkay
[22:05] <szczur> MOCP playing: Bomfunk MC's -  Stir Up The Bass -  In Stereo - 00:42/03:35
[22:05] <szczur> :P
[22:05]  * szczur may be banned for this :>
[22:06] <manfredrasta> why could you be banned for that man?
[22:07] <szczur> because it's not a good behaviour to write what you're actually listening to :)
[22:07] <manfredrasta> The poblem is that i cant connect mi wireless nw. I can see it, but cannot conenct it. this is the sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon result: http://pastebin.com/1TjZF7xE
[22:08] <manfredrasta> why isnt it a good behaviour?
[22:08] <szczur> no one cares about what you're listening at the moment :P
[22:10] <szczur> and you shouldn't show it on the (not yet but we're trying to :P) official general help channel
[22:10] <manfredrasta> I still dont understand? Should you be banned because of saying something that nobody cares?
[22:10] <manfredrasta> ok
[22:10] <szczur> what "sudo iwlist scan" returns?
[22:10] <manfredrasta> I understand now
[22:11] <manfredrasta> http://pastebin.com/0cghqDGx
[22:12] <manfredrasta> there's a forum thread
[22:12] <manfredrasta> if you want to have a look... its a little bit long, but you'll find everything
[22:12] <szczur> can you link me to it?
[22:13] <manfredrasta> yes
[22:13] <manfredrasta> at the begining i couldn't even see my wireless nw
[22:13] <manfredrasta> then a person told me to run: sudo apt-get install pcmciautils
[22:13] <manfredrasta> so i can see it now
[22:13] <manfredrasta> you can start reading from #4
[22:14] <manfredrasta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581170
[22:14] <manfredrasta> thank you very much
[22:16] <szczur> manfredrasta, can i ask you to disable the encryption of this network?
[22:16] <szczur> just for a moment
[22:17] <szczur> were you able to connect to this network woth other linuxes/ubuntu versions?
[22:17] <manfredrasta> yes of course
[22:17] <manfredrasta> i could connect with ubuntu las version
[22:17] <manfredrasta> 10.04 i think
[22:17] <szczur> 9.10
[22:17] <szczur> 10.04 is the latest :)
[22:17] <manfredrasta> ok
[22:18] <szczur> hmmm
[22:18] <manfredrasta> nono
[22:18] <manfredrasta> I cuold connect with the lastest
[22:18] <manfredrasta> 10.04
[22:18] <szczur> and 10.10 will be released in 6 days
[22:18] <szczur> ahhh
[22:18] <szczur> so you're using maverick right now?
[22:18] <manfredrasta> in another cpu
[22:18] <manfredrasta> because in this one was impossible to install
[22:18] <manfredrasta> what is maverick?
[22:18] <manfredrasta> sorry im new
[22:19] <szczur> it's the yet-t-be released ubuntu 10.10 :)
[22:19] <szczur> so let's clarify this
[22:19] <manfredrasta> :)
[22:19] <manfredrasta> ok
[22:19] <manfredrasta> let me tell you
[22:19] <szczur> you were able to connect to this network FORM THE SAME LAPTOP on other linux version?
[22:19] <manfredrasta> no
[22:20] <szczur> it didn't worked on any of the linuxes, am i right?
[22:20] <szczur> please turn of your encryption for a while
[22:20] <manfredrasta> i just tried it on Xubuntu 9.04 and worked
[22:21] <szczur> ahhh, with 9.04 it worked
[22:21] <szczur> mkay
[22:21] <manfredrasta> no
[22:21] <manfredrasta> sorry
[22:21] <manfredrasta> it was wrong
[22:21] <szczur> -+
[22:21] <manfredrasta> i just tried it on Xubuntu 9.04 and  DIDNT worked
[22:21]  * szczur is confused right now
[22:21] <manfredrasta> had the same problem
[22:22] <manfredrasta> :)
[22:22] <szczur> 9.04 - NOT WORKING; 10.04- NOT WORKING
[22:22] <szczur> right?
[22:22] <manfredrasta> no
[22:22] <manfredrasta> on xubuntu 9.04 not working
[22:23] <manfredrasta> on lubuntu 10.04 (at the moment) not working
 9.04 - NOT WORKING; 10.04- NOT WORKING... >_>
[22:23] <manfredrasta> on ubuntu 10.04 (in another laptop) working
[22:23] <szczur> i said that before
[22:23] <szczur> another laptop isa nother wifi and so on
[22:23] <manfredrasta> ok
[22:24] <manfredrasta> so doesnt matter what happens on another laptop
[22:24] <szczur> soo, turn off your encryption
[22:24] <manfredrasta> ok
[22:24] <manfredrasta> one minute
[22:24] <szczur> maybe this card/module is not accepting WPA encryption
[22:24] <szczur> as for example my old D-Link 520+ did
[22:25] <szczur> because od shitty module which got dropped shortly after :)
[22:25] <szczur> so i had to use WEP "encryption"
[22:25] <szczur> i see it is the old laptop
[22:25] <szczur> so probably it is the case
[22:25] <szczur> -the +an :)
[22:26] <manfredrasta> done
[22:26] <manfredrasta> turned off
[22:26] <szczur> ok, now try to connect to your wifi :)
[22:26] <manfredrasta> without i have the same problem
[22:26] <szczur> hmm
[22:27] <szczur> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid Fionaweb
[22:27] <szczur> sudo dhclient eth1
[22:27] <szczur> tell me the results
[22:27] <manfredrasta> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid Fionaweb does nothing
[22:28] <szczur> it sets the essid of the card. you can check it by running iwconfig
[22:28] <szczur> sudo iwconfig
[22:28] <manfredrasta> sudo dhclient eth1 is still writing
[22:29] <szczur> hmmm :(
[22:29] <manfredrasta> finished
[22:29] <manfredrasta> i paste you the result
[22:29] <szczur> mkay
[22:29] <manfredrasta> http://pastebin.com/qAWia4Xd
[22:30] <szczur> can you paste the results of "sudo iwconfig"?
[22:30] <manfredrasta> and iwconfig says: http://pastebin.com/8UR2uXg6
[22:30] <szczur> ahh :)
[22:31] <szczur> you read my mind
[22:31] <manfredrasta> :)
[22:31] <szczur> :)
[22:31] <szczur> XD
[22:32] <manfredrasta> have you read #8? What he says about a bug
[22:35] <szczur> hmm, but it should work on 9.04 then, since the bug was introduced in Ubuntu 10.04. I know I may be annoying but can you provide me result of sudo iwlist scan once more?
[22:36] <szczur> damn, it is pretty weird
[22:36] <manfredrasta> what does weird mean?
[22:36] <szczur> i thnk you should ask on #ubuntu too. there is waay more people than here :)
[22:37] <szczur> weird means strange, bizarre
[22:37] <szczur> odd
[22:37] <manfredrasta> http://pastebin.com/M4jVwWPS
[22:38] <szczur> damn, i'm out of ideas. encryption is turned off and it still can  not connect to this network :(
[22:38]  * szczur is running out of ideas 
[22:38] <szczur> turn the encryption on, again
[22:38] <manfredrasta> how do you write those comments?
[22:39] <szczur> before someone would stel your precious bandwith :P
[22:39] <szczur> with /me command
[22:39] <sgh> szczur: have you ever heard about this bug: network-manager-gnome shows that the connection (wlan with ndiswrapper) is established yet the internet can't be accessed?
[22:39] <sgh> I already had this bug in 10.04 and only with Lubuntu, but a reinstallation of the whole distro helped. Now its back in 10.10 :/
[22:39] <szczur> /me does something will return
[22:39]  * szczur does something
[22:40]  * manfredrasta is glad
[22:40] <szczur> sgh, naah, haven't heard of this bug
[22:41] <manfredrasta> so
[22:41] <manfredrasta> when does is 10.10 released?
[22:41] <szczur> sgh, nm states that you're connected. csan you check if you can ping your router?
[22:41] <manfredrasta> sorry
[22:42] <sgh> manfredrasta: 10.10.2010
[22:42] <szczur> manfredrasta, 7 days for Ubuntu main flavour and i think 8-9 days for lubuntu
[22:42] <manfredrasta> also for lubuntu? or just ubuntu?
[22:42] <szczur> i think....
[22:42] <manfredrasta> ok
[22:42] <sgh> szczur: how do I do that? :D haven't done that in Linux yet
[22:42] <manfredrasta> wil I be able to connect mi wifi then?
[22:43] <manfredrasta> :9
[22:43] <manfredrasta> :)
[22:43] <szczur> sgh, first off all right  click your nm applet and choose "Connection information"
[22:43] <sgh> if the Ubuntu team knows about this bug and works on a fix, you will
[22:43] <szczur> to look if IP is ever assigned
[22:43] <manfredrasta> how can i encorage them to work for it?
[22:44] <szczur> go to #ubuntu, turn on your CapsLock and shout a lot, whine about it
[22:44] <szczur> and write a post every hour
[22:44] <szczur> :>
[22:44] <sgh> :D
[22:44] <manfredrasta> really?
[22:44] <szczur> of course i was kidding :P
[22:44] <manfredrasta> joking?
[22:45] <sgh> yeah
[22:45] <manfredrasta> so?
[22:45] <szczur> but really, you should go to the #ubuntu channel
[22:45] <manfredrasta> maybe you know Mr. LUbuntu
[22:45] <szczur> and tell them about your problem there
[22:45] <manfredrasta> isnt it?
[22:45] <manfredrasta> ok
[22:45] <manfredrasta> ill go
[22:45] <manfredrasta> thanks for all
[22:46] <szczur> we have small group and as you probably see we're not WiFi masters :P
[22:46] <manfredrasta> :)
[22:46] <manfredrasta> How can I join lubuntu team?
[22:46] <szczur> sgh, what about that IP Adress
[22:46] <manfredrasta> and what can I do for you?
[22:46] <manfredrasta> for them?
[22:46] <manfredrasta> for lubuntu I mean
[22:47] <szczur> manfredrasta, sit here, whine a lot, yell at phillw and Timo_ and you will get lubuntu team badge :>
[22:47] <sgh> szczur: 192.168.1.2, yet it needs to be mentioned that the WLAN works at the moment
[22:47] <szczur> sent by homing pigeon :)
[22:47] <manfredrasta> phillw, hi man
[22:47] <szczur> manfredrasta, and really, just be here and try to help people with their problems ;)
[22:48] <manfredrasta> but i cannot help anybody
[22:48] <manfredrasta> i am noob
[22:48] <sgh> you will learn in this channel
[22:48] <szczur> you will become a PRO someday :P
[22:48] <szczur> just look at ChanServ
[22:48] <manfredrasta> But there is nobody in this channel
[22:48] <manfredrasta> :)
[22:48] <szczur> he's op right now :P
[22:48] <manfredrasta> ye
[22:48] <szczur> and he sits here since begining
[22:49] <manfredrasta> who is op?
[22:49] <sgh> szczur: my personal workaround is that I boot into windows, turn the dongle off and on and reboot Lubuntu, therefore the wlan connection is working at the moment
[22:49] <szczur> manfredrasta, channel operator
[22:49] <manfredrasta> and who is ChanServ ?
[22:49] <szczur> and actually ChanServ is a bot sent by grammar nazis to get rid of the typos :P
[22:50] <szczur> remember, HE'S WATCHING YOU
[22:50] <szczur> :>
[22:50] <szczur> nevermind
[22:50]  * manfredrasta is confused
[22:50] <szczur> i shouldn't drink so much tea :P
[22:50] <manfredrasta> that was tea???
[22:50] <szczur> manfredrasta, i just have a good mood right now :P
[22:50] <szczur> nothing i said befor was serious
[22:50] <szczur> :)
[22:50] <szczur> before
[22:51] <manfredrasta> i know i know
[22:51] <szczur> except the thing that you should join #ubuntu
[22:51] <szczur> :P
[22:51] <manfredrasta> I m going
[22:51] <szczur> and ask for the help there :)
[22:51] <manfredrasta> se you
[22:51] <szczur> remeber to stay here, too
[22:51] <sgh> :D
[22:51] <szczur> you can be on two channels at once
[22:54] <szczur> hmm, 6 strings to translate... and i'm lazy as only I can be :>
[22:54] <szczur> sgh, you know polish right? :P
[22:54] <szczur> if not, LEARN IT!
[22:54] <szczur> :>
[22:55] <szczur> Timo_ ah Timo_, where are you when i need you?
[22:56] <sgh> I understand a bit of polish but I can't speak it fluently
[22:56] <Timo_> hi
[22:56] <Timo_> I am here
[22:56] <sgh> I don't know the grammar aswell
[22:56] <Timo_> when you need me
[22:56] <Timo_> :D
[22:56] <szczur> YAYZ!!!
[22:56]  * szczur hugs Timo_ 
[22:56] <Timo_> was just trying to check some logs
[22:56] <Timo_> but you are spamming as hell
[22:56] <Timo_> :D
[22:56]  * Timo_ hugs szczur back :D
[22:57] <szczur> ^^
[22:58] <szczur> Now i can go play some Pokemon Red Version on Game Boy :)
[22:59] <Timo_> you don't need me anymore? :(
[22:59] <szczur> ohh, Timo_... i ned you everytime i am on this channel :P
[23:01] <sgh> szczur: how can I ping to my router?
[23:01] <szczur> probably, ping 192.168.0.1
[23:02] <szczur> run terminal
[23:02] <szczur> and run this command
[23:02] <Timo_> hehe
[23:02] <szczur> ping 192.168.0.1
[23:02] <Timo_> pong
[23:02] <szczur> Timo_, PING
[23:02] <Timo_> szczur: PONG
[23:02]  * szczur wait for CTCP REPLY :>
[23:02]  * Timo_ and szczur should be using #lubuntu-offtopic
[23:02] <szczur> Timo_, PING
[23:02] <Timo_> PONG
[23:02] <Timo_> :(
[23:03] <Timo_> Aren't u receiving my pongs?:o
[23:03] <Timo_> szczur: PING
[23:03] <szczur> PONG //yeah, this channel ever existed?
[23:03] <Timo_> well szczur it exists now.. ;P
[23:03] <szczur> Timo_, PING
[23:04] <manfredrasta> still here
[23:04] <Kurdistan> god evening my dear lubuntu friends
[23:04] <sgh> szczur: thanks for the command, I'll do troubleshooting tomorrow
[23:04] <manfredrasta> im asking in ubuntu
[23:04] <Kurdistan> I have made complete move to lubuntu lucid
[23:04] <Kurdistan> :P
[23:04] <sgh> good night guys
[23:04] <manfredrasta> Kurdistan, are you a wifi guru really???
[23:05] <Timo_> Kurdistan: is it a GOD evening?
[23:05] <Kurdistan> timo yes it is
[23:05] <Timo_> and Kurdistan congratulations about the switch, I haven't *hides*
[23:05] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta I dont understand your question
[23:05] <manfredrasta> XD
[23:05] <manfredrasta> sorry
[23:05] <manfredrasta> i need help with my wifi conection
[23:06] <manfredrasta> I was looking for a guru, because it seems nobody knows haow to fix it
[23:06] <manfredrasta> :)
[23:06] <Kurdistan> timo_, the closed nvidia drivers are really slow.
[23:07] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta it works good over here
[23:07] <Kurdistan> I think it works even better with maverick
[23:08] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta have you wifi radar?
[23:09] <manfredrasta> Kurdistan, what is it?
[23:09] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta look to desktop session setting and mark network manager
[23:09] <Kurdistan> if you use ubuntu
[23:10] <manfredrasta> i use lubuntu
[23:10] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta normally it should work
[23:11] <Kurdistan> install wifi radar and set your wifi connection on
[23:11] <manfredrasta> how do i do it?
[23:11] <Kurdistan> go to synaptic
[23:12] <Kurdistan> write wifi-radar
[23:12] <Kurdistan> normally you should have botton on your laptop
[23:12] <manfredrasta> done
[23:12] <manfredrasta> wait
[23:12] <Kurdistan> press wifi connection one and it should be green
[23:13] <manfredrasta> wait wait
[23:13] <manfredrasta> should i install wifi radar then?
[23:13] <manfredrasta> what is it?
[23:14] <Kurdistan> like the name says radar :)
[23:15] <manfredrasta> but i can see my network
[23:15] <manfredrasta> should do it anyway?
[23:15] <Kurdistan> you can see your network?
[23:15] <manfredrasta> yes
[23:15] <Kurdistan> what is your problem then?
[23:15] <manfredrasta> xd
[23:15] <manfredrasta> i cant connect to it
[23:16] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta
[23:16] <Kurdistan> install wicd
[23:16] <manfredrasta> Kurdistan
[23:16] <Kurdistan> use synaptic
[23:17] <Kurdistan> you will see what it stands for
[23:17] <manfredrasta> ok
[23:19] <Kurdistan> you will see option press enter
[23:20] <Kurdistan> look on your synaptic pop up screen
[23:20] <manfredrasta> its installing it
[23:20] <Kurdistan> good :) soon mission complete
[23:20] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta lubuntu is really light
[23:21] <Kurdistan> some time it is too light
[23:21] <Kurdistan> :P
[23:21] <Kurdistan> for its good :)
[23:21] <manfredrasta> also my laptop is ligth
[23:21] <manfredrasta> :)
[23:22] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta old one?
[23:22] <manfredrasta> yes
[23:22] <Kurdistan> I see. lubuntu is perfect then.
[23:22] <Kurdistan> also xubuntu is starting to get light
[23:22] <Kurdistan> more xfce apps then bunch of gnome dependience
[23:22] <manfredrasta> i first tried xubuntu. But was slow. And the installation failed many times
[23:23] <manfredrasta> i think was because of the ram i have
[23:23] <manfredrasta> the discovered lubuntu
[23:23] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta you tried xubuntu maverick rc?
[23:23] <manfredrasta> and goes perfect
[23:23] <manfredrasta> i tried xubuntu 9.04
[23:23] <Kurdistan> lol thats really old
[23:24] <manfredrasta> wich xubuntu is allright now?
[23:24] <Kurdistan> when maverick release try lubuntu and xubuntu
[23:24] <manfredrasta> ok
[23:24] <Kurdistan> both have there strenght and wikness
[23:25] <Kurdistan> then make up your mined :)
[23:25] <manfredrasta> Oh! it is still preparing the packages
[23:25] <manfredrasta> hope didnt freeze
[23:25] <Kurdistan> brb reboot. lubuntu works great for me. I can add stuff. build it my way. but the bad thing standard application if I remove
[23:26] <Kurdistan> I will also remove lubuntu-desktop
[23:26] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta take more detail
[23:26] <manfredrasta> Kurdistan, should i click details?
[23:27] <Kurdistan> exactly
[23:27] <Kurdistan> :)
[23:27] <Kurdistan> there you would see something about ok
[23:27] <Kurdistan> arent you?
[23:27] <Kurdistan> only I needed to press enter
[23:28] <Kurdistan> then in internet you will see wicd network manager
[23:29] <manfredrasta> could oyu wait a few minute since my wife gots sleep. She's complaining about the click on my keyboard
[23:29] <manfredrasta> :)
[23:29] <Kurdistan> np
[23:29] <Kurdistan> I will do reboot
[23:29] <Kurdistan> then I will come
[23:29] <manfredrasta> ok
[23:29] <Kurdistan> brb
[23:31] <MikeChelen> getting an error from lubuntu-default-settings when doing usual apt-get upgrade http://pastebin.com/QkAzxPGV
[23:32] <Kurdistan> back
[23:32] <manfredrasta> 5 mins
[23:33] <Kurdistan> manfredrasta normally lubuntu network applet should be good enough
[23:33] <Kurdistan> normally you dont need wifi radar
[23:33] <Kurdistan> or wicd network manager
[23:33] <manfredrasta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581170
[23:34] <Kurdistan> what I can do with wifi radar/wicd network manager I can do with lubuntu default network applet close to the clock applet
[23:35] <manfredrasta> back
[23:36] <Kurdistan> welcome back
[23:36] <manfredrasta> why am i installing this so?
[23:36] <Kurdistan> :) becuase you asked me alternative way checking wifi connection?
[23:37] <manfredrasta> did u take a look at the thread?
[23:37] <Kurdistan> yes but much to read sorry
[23:37] <manfredrasta> i understand
[23:37] <Kurdistan> and I need to sleep. school tomorrow.
[23:37] <manfredrasta> no
[23:38] <manfredrasta> np
[23:38] <Kurdistan> manfredrasto compare me to the gurus here I am newbie myself
[23:39] <manfredrasta> when u have time maybe you can read the thread
[23:39] <manfredrasta> do u know how to stop synaptics?
[23:39] <manfredrasta> i think it is blocked
[23:39] <Kurdistan> okey. do it pop up something.
[23:39] <Kurdistan> error message?
[23:40] <manfredrasta> shows a blu screen with a message in it
[23:40] <manfredrasta> it says:
[23:40] <Kurdistan> some packages are broken?
[23:41] <manfredrasta> no
[23:41] <Kurdistan> normally you can fix this with synaptic or you can restart and press the key over ctrl
[23:41] <manfredrasta> can i paste u my screen shot?
[23:41] <Kurdistan> then use recovery mode
[23:41] <Kurdistan> pass :)
[23:42] <manfredrasta> how can i paste u my screenshot?
[23:42] <manfredrasta> i have to leave
[23:43] <Kurdistan> manfrerrasta
[23:43] <Kurdistan> use shift when you restart
[23:43] <Kurdistan> when you see bios is reading
[23:43] <Kurdistan> take a look on this link
[23:43] <Kurdistan> swedish but the picture you will understand anyway
[23:44] <Kurdistan> http://www.ubuntu-se.org/wiki/Howtos/recovery-mode
[23:44] <manfredrasta> then?
[23:44] <Kurdistan> there you can rapair broken packages
[23:44] <Kurdistan> :)
[23:44] <Kurdistan> after that resume
[23:45] <Kurdistan> enter your login name and password
[23:45] <Kurdistan> then write down sudo reboot
[23:45] <Kurdistan> :) done
[23:45] <manfredrasta> tks
[23:45] <manfredrasta> what is it for?
[23:45] <manfredrasta> just to understand
[23:46] <Kurdistan> some time when synaptic want not open or close right
[23:46] <Kurdistan> some packades are broken
[23:46] <Kurdistan> this will fix it
[23:46] <manfredrasta> ok
[23:46] <Kurdistan> have nice evening
[23:46] <Kurdistan> I am going to bad
[23:47] <Kurdistan> all there lubuntu users nice sleepy time for all you tooooooo
[23:47] <Kurdistan> :P
[23:47] <Kurdistan> and all the others :P
[23:48] <szczur> MikeChelen, sudo touch /etc/alternatives/lxdm.conf
[23:49] <szczur> and then sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[23:49] <manfredrasta> szczur, down sudo reboot is not a bad code isnt it?
[23:49] <szczur> manfredrasta, what was that blue screen?
[23:49] <manfredrasta> in recovery mode
[23:50] <szczur> manfredrasta, what do you mean down sudo reboot?
[23:50] <szczur> mean by*
[23:50] <manfredrasta> is it a bad code?
[23:50] <manfredrasta> would brake my laptop? :=
[23:50] <manfredrasta> or something like that
[23:50] <manfredrasta> ?
[23:50] <szczur> sudo reboot will reboot your laptop
[23:51] <szczur> nothing else :P
[23:51] <manfredrasta> sorry
[23:51] <manfredrasta> i understand now
[23:51] <manfredrasta> kurdistand told me: write down sudo reboot
[23:51] <szczur> manfredrasta, what was written in that blue screen?
[23:51] <szczur> something about groups?
[23:51] <manfredrasta> szczur, no
[23:52] <szczur> MikeChelen, are you here?
[23:52] <manfredrasta> it is a blue screen with a grey window in it
[23:52] <manfredrasta> that tell what it is doing
[23:52] <szczur> yeah, and what was in this window :P
[23:52] <szczur> it was configuration windows probably
[23:52] <manfredrasta> it is in italian
[23:53] <manfredrasta> so i try to translaate
[23:53] <manfredrasta> ill do my best
[23:53] <szczur> after installation of wicd there is one step when you're adding your account to the netdev group :)
[23:53] <manfredrasta> yea
[23:53] <manfredrasta> thats it
[23:53] <manfredrasta> :)
[23:53] <szczur> tick your name and use TAB to select ok
[23:54] <szczur> and press enter
[23:54] <manfredrasta> im stupid
[23:54] <szczur> you SHOULD NOT close this window
[23:54] <szczur> because it would leave you with broken package
[23:54] <manfredrasta> i did not tick my name beut just click enter
[23:54] <szczur> if you did this, please do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[23:54] <manfredrasta> and it goes on
[23:54] <szczur> ok
[23:55] <szczur> and please do
[23:55] <szczur> sudo apt-get install libgnome2-perl
[23:55] <manfredrasta> it has finished
[23:55] <szczur> you will get the nice window next time you will have to configure something :)
[23:55] <szczur> after the instalation
[23:56] <manfredrasta> wait
[23:56] <manfredrasta> ill run that
[23:56] <szczur> the thing you saw before was called "Dialog", it enables you to show "windows" in the terminal based environment. synaptic uses that if it can not create window :)
[23:56] <szczur> if only i would be here earlier... :P
[23:57] <szczur> you wouldn have to go through all this :P
[23:57] <szczur> nevermind then :)
[23:57] <manfredrasta> gives an error
[23:57] <manfredrasta> shouldnt reboot after the installation?
[23:57] <szczur> what error?
[23:57] <szczur> pastebin it :)
[23:59] <manfredrasta> http://pastebin.com/u9YkrvbH
[23:59] <manfredrasta> italian
[23:59] <szczur> you're runnig synaptic
[23:59] <szczur> close it before trying to install other packages
[23:59] <manfredrasta> ok