[00:00] <mark2010> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
[00:00] <penguin42> ok, I've seen other people have problems with 9600
[00:00] <penguin42> mark2010: Do you know if you have fglrx or not?
[00:00] <mark2010> believe the open driver after the upgrade to 10.10
[00:00] <penguin42> but you had the closed one before?
[00:01] <mark2010> don't know
[00:01] <penguin42> what does jockey-text -l say ?
[00:01] <mark2010> on 10.04 there were no propietary drivers so i guess it was the open driver
[00:02] <penguin42> ok, can you try booting with the kernel option nomodeset
[00:03] <mark2010> got no info from jockey-text -l
[00:03] <penguin42> ok
[00:04] <mark2010> boot to kernal with nomodeset ... how do i do that
[00:05] <penguin42> mark2010: Do you know how to get to the grub menu?
[00:05] <mark2010> GRUB shows up fine when i turn the pute on
[00:06] <androidbruce> this is my kb layout http://imgur.com/LMUVA.png
[00:06] <mark2010> or do you mean a file?
[00:06] <androidbruce> on the left it says, compose and not ctrl
[00:06] <penguin42> ok, so in the grub menu it'll let you edit an entry and when it does move down to the kernel line which will probably end in splash quiet   and just add on the   nomodeset and tell it to boot
[00:07] <mark2010> this is on reboot, correct?
[00:07] <penguin42> yep
[00:08] <penguin42> it won't keep the change so it doesn't matter if it doesn't work
[00:09] <mark2010> right after quiet splash or next line?
[00:09] <penguin42> mark2010: Same line
[00:09] <mark2010> i'll try it. thanx
[00:14] <yofel> androidbruce: shouldn't gnome give a list of keyboard layouts at the same place where you define the keyboard language?
[00:14] <yofel> can't remember where that was exactly
[00:15] <androidbruce> yofel, yeah i've tried all. im wiping now and reinstalling
[00:15] <androidbruce> want to get /boot /  and ~/ on each partition
[00:15] <yofel> odd..
[00:15] <androidbruce> wanna help?
[00:15] <androidbruce> i have the rc
[00:15] <androidbruce> im at the install screens now
[00:15] <kubuntu1010> anyone else having issue with amarok and no sound?
[00:19] <androidbruce> Partitioning method
[00:19] <androidbruce> should i use manual? if i want /boot / ~/
[00:21] <androidbruce> could anyone assist with a fresh installation of 10.10
[00:22] <androidbruce> i would like to have /boot, / and /home on separate partitions
[00:22] <mark2010> penguin42: Perfect...Thank You and all that have helped me!
[00:22] <penguin42> mark2010: No problem; can you report a bug for it please?
[00:22] <mark2010> how do i do this?
[00:23] <ActionParsnip> androidbruce: if you want separate /boot partitions and such then yes
[00:23] <androidbruce> ActionParsnip, use manual?
[00:23] <mark2010> it appears there is one already about white screens in 10.10
[00:23] <penguin42> mark2010: Run ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-ati   in a terminal and when it asks for details describe that you get a white screen but you don't if you add nomodeset
[00:23] <ActionParsnip> androidbruce: i advise seperate / /home and swap but if you want a separate /boot partition, thats fine. Yes use manual.
[00:23] <androidbruce> ok
[00:23] <androidbruce> im on the partition discs screen
[00:24] <mark2010> absolutely...let me reboot and make sure BRB
[00:24] <androidbruce> and right now it's SCSI3 (0,0,0) - 160GB ATA
[00:24] <androidbruce> #1 primary ext 4 / and #5 logical  swap
[00:25] <androidbruce> how do i specify more partitions
[00:27] <androidbruce> ahh ok i got
[00:27] <androidbruce> it
[00:27] <androidbruce> i have a 160gb drive, what should i specify for each
[00:28] <androidbruce> any suggestions?
[00:30] <mark2010> penguin42: it worked the first time when i used ctrl+x to boot, but it didn't save the file. got white screen on reboot. and the nomodeset was not there. i guess i didn't save it.
[00:30] <penguin42> mark2010: Yeh to save it, hmm
[00:30] <mark2010> can i just edit the GRUB
[00:31] <mark2010> from inside ubuntu?
[00:31] <penguin42> mark2010: Edit /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX to add that and then run update-grub
[00:31] <mark2010> ok
[00:33] <mark2010> within the quotes i suppose
[00:33] <penguin42> yeh, show me the line when you're done
[00:34] <mark2010> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset"
[00:34] <penguin42> yep
[00:34] <mark2010> i'll save
[00:35] <mark2010> i'll reboot again. thanks!
[00:43] <mark2010> penguin42: still white screen... should i put the text on the same line with quiet splash, maybe. i'm in now under the previous kernel fine
[00:44] <penguin42> mark2010: Hmm yes you can try it
[00:44] <mark2010> ok
[00:46] <mark2010> single space should be fine?
[00:46] <mark2010> now reads    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
[00:46] <mark2010> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[00:48] <mark2010> gonna try
[00:51] <brant> hello everyone
[00:52] <androidbruce> hey guys when installing does it matter which spot on the disc my partitions are?
[00:52] <androidbruce> right now i have #1 /boot
[00:52] <androidbruce> #2 /
[00:52] <androidbruce> #3 /home
[00:52] <androidbruce> #4 free
[00:52] <brant> no, i don't think so
[00:52] <penguin42> androidbruce: Best to put /boot first, and earlier is faster in general
[00:52] <androidbruce> penguin42, i see ok
[00:53] <brant> i have a GNOME question...
[00:53] <penguin42> ask!
[00:54] <brant> In the Task-tray (where the volume control is) there is an Email icon.
[00:54] <brant> If I "Remove from Panel" of the Email thingy, it removes the Volume control too.
[00:54] <penguin42> brant: It's an Ubuntu-ism
[00:55] <penguin42> brant: The thing on the panel isn't actually 2 separate things, it's all part of the indicator-applet
[00:55] <penguin42> (although that then splits off to other processes)
[00:55] <brant> I noticed that the icons are part of the same applet, called Indicator Applet
[00:55] <brant> How can I choose what goes onto the Indicator Applet?
[00:56] <penguin42> brant: I've not found a good answer to that
[00:56] <brant> I don't use the email icon, but I keep it there so the volume control doesn't go away.
[00:56] <penguin42> yeh me too
[00:56] <mark2010> thanks penguin42 for all your help. i gotta take a break for a while. thanks again to all.
[00:56] <bjsnider> i think the email icon is not for email
[00:57] <brant> Actually, when I click the email icon, it shows nothing in the drop-down (because I removed the email software).
[00:57] <penguin42> brant: Yeh if you actually had email software and/or instant messaging it would glue into that
[00:58] <bjsnider> most people use some sort of messaging, chatting, email ro whatnot software
[00:58] <brant> yeah, it had some options when I first installed Ubuntu... But the first thing I do after a fresh install is remove software that I'm not going to use.
[00:58] <penguin42> bjsnider: I have two machines here
[00:58] <penguin42> bjsnider: This one ----> doesn't have mail or messaging on; this one <----- does instant messaging/chat ; and mail I ssh onto a box with mutt
[00:58] <bjsnider> penguin42, that's good to know. i'll add that to your confidential fbi file
[00:59] <penguin42> bjsnider: While the use of sshing to mutt maybe somewhat old school; having two machines doing different things isn't too unusual, so it's not too unusual to have a machine that isn't doing mail/messaging
[01:02] <javatexan> ?
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> penguin42: it's not uncommon, also means you can ssh in from outside your LAN and check mail local. Ive always been after an X based app with a web interface but I havent found one as yet
[01:12] <whereami> I just installed the RC, but now I can't figure out how to safely exit the livecd. The power menu only has "Suspend" in it.
[01:13] <penguin42> erm that's odd
[01:13] <russjr08> whereami: If nothing, you can always run sudo shutdown -h now
[01:14] <russjr08> I believe that would shutdown
[01:14] <whereami> yeah, that should.
[01:14] <whereami> but why is it missing from the menu?
[01:14] <penguin42> sounds like a bug, but from the CD you should actually just be able to hit reset
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> whereami: log a bug
[01:27] <Votan> hey, anyone using 10.10 on a notebook/netbook ?
[01:29] <penguin42> Votan: I installed it earlier today on my netbook (although I didn't install the netboot version)
[01:30] <Votan> penguin42 are you using the laptop-mode-tools ? I don't know if that is still recommended as HAL has been removed from ubuntu and laptop-mode requires it
[01:30] <Muscovy> Votan: I've been using netbook edition on an off on my laptop.
[01:31] <penguin42> Votan: I didn't explicitly install it
[01:31] <Votan> Muscovy i am running the standard version, jsut wondering aobut the laptop-mode-tools package.
[01:32] <Muscovy> I'm afraid I don't know what that package is.
[01:37] <androidbruce> hey guys
[01:38] <androidbruce> i just installed 10.10
[01:38] <androidbruce> and im at error file not found
[01:38] <androidbruce> grub rescue>
[01:39] <TDJACR> Is btrfs stable yet?
[01:39] <androidbruce> any ideas?
[01:40] <androidbruce> why is this happening on a fresh install?
[01:41] <androidbruce> ?
[01:42] <Votan> TDJACR afaik it is considered stable since 10.10 beta, but you need to use extx for /boot. Someone correct me if i am wrong
[01:43] <TDJACR> Votan: The btrfs wiki says there is no fsck. Is that still true?
[01:45] <Votan> TDJACR no idea about that, havent tested btrfs yet
[01:45] <TDJACR> Votan: Okay, thanks :)
[01:51] <bazhang> !grub2 > androidbruce
[01:51] <androidbruce> ok
[01:54] <ActionParsnip> TDJACR: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_netbook_fs&num=1
[01:54] <ActionParsnip> TDJACR: personally I'm gonna stay with ext4 after reading that
[01:55] <androidbruce> can anyone assist me in configuring grub?
[01:55] <bjsnider> that's an older kernel
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: ext4 seems fine, i'll see what I can dredge up
[01:56] <androidbruce> im stuck at grub rescue>
[01:57] <ActionParsnip> androidbruce: boot to liveCD and reinstall grub2
[01:57] <androidbruce> ActionParsnip, sudo apt-get install grub2?
[01:57] <Votan> anyone else that has no sound indicator in the panel although the applet is installed ?
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> androidbruce: http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-restore-grub-2-after-reinstalling-windows-xpvistawin7
[01:58] <bjsnider> TDJACR, btrfsck is the fsck for that file system
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> Votan: if you run: gnome-volume-applet   does it run?
[02:00] <androidbruce> im just going to reinstall with default settings
[02:01] <kubuntu1010> anyone using the opensource broadcom driver?
[02:02] <androidbruce> i think it installed grub onto my thumb drive
[02:04] <Votan> ActionParsnip nop, tells me command not found o.0
[02:08] <androidbruce> yofel, you around?
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> Votan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422515
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> Votan: http://www.jrhenkelmann.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18:gnomes-volume-control-applet-in-lucid-lynx&catid=2:linux-ubuntu&Itemid=9
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> Votan: not something I use as my hotkeys work on my laptop so I just use them :)
[02:10] <dorkface> Hi all. I didn't see anything on google, but is anyone having issues with their dual monitor configuration not being persistant across reboots?
[02:11] <yofel> androidbruce: sleepy but yes
[02:11] <Votan> ActionParsnip yeh, my hotkeys work too since voria updated the repo for 10.10, but i still would like to see my applet,  thanks for the link, looks like I removed that one :>
[02:11] <yofel> o.O
[02:11] <androidbruce> yofel, ohh sorry man don't want to bother you if you're sleeping. but do you think it is possible i installed grub onto my thumb drive during setup/
[02:12]  * yofel is just wondering about that...
[02:13] <Votan> So, noone inhere who knows if it is smart to isntall laptop-mode-tools in 10.10 despite the removal of HAL ?
[02:13] <yofel> that usually shouldn't happen, as long as grub recognised the drives fine
[02:13] <russjr08> androidbruce: yes I think that could have happened
[02:13] <androidbruce> russjr08, how would i install grub onto my /boot partition?
[02:14] <yofel> androidbruce: you should be able to install grub2 fine with the rescue instructions ActionParsnip linked
[02:14] <yofel> hm, I think we had our own instructions for that too..
[02:14] <yofel> !grub2
[02:14] <androidbruce> well update-grub created a menu.lst
[02:15] <androidbruce> it couldn't find one before
[02:15] <yofel> erm, there should be no menu.lst
[02:15] <yofel> grub2 uses a grub.cfg which is created by grub-mkconfig (called by update-grub)
[02:15] <Volkodav> when will the wallpaper and splash get activated in grub2 by the way ?
[02:15] <Volkodav> on release only ?
[02:15] <yofel> Volkodav: we have one?
[02:16] <Volkodav> have one what ?
[02:16] <yofel> androidbruce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202 too
[02:16] <yofel> Volkodav: grub splash? I know you can set a background, but haven't tried more
[02:16] <androidbruce> yofel, do i install grub onto my /boot partition?
[02:16] <yofel> or do you mean plymouth?
[02:17] <Volkodav> well at least backround , as far splash either grub or plymout
[02:17] <yofel> androidbruce: usually you would install grub2 into the MBR by using '/dev/sda' without number for example
[02:17] <androidbruce> yofel, yeah true, i specified my own /boot partition on install
[02:18] <Volkodav> even backround does not work now
[02:18] <yofel> splash is enabled, it takes quite a while to appear with the nvidia driver on my desktop, works fine on my notebook and my intel netbook
[02:19] <yofel> Volkodav: should work as long as you set the right one in the config files, create yourself a customised version of /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme
[02:19] <Volkodav> hmm can you show your /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme
[02:20] <Volkodav> I have one with backround and splash edited and it does not work
[02:20] <Volkodav> http://pastie.org/1196096
[02:20] <yofel> Volkodav: I don't use a splash here, but you should be able to put a picture named moreblue-orbit-grub.png into /boot/grub/
[02:21] <yofel> Volkodav: so your picture is named Plasma-lamp.png  or Plasma-lamp.tga?
[02:22] <Volkodav> yes
[02:22] <yofel> hm, it should find it fine as long as the picture is in one of the searched folders
[02:23] <Volkodav> it is
[02:23] <yofel> then I don't get why it doesn't work
[02:24] <Volkodav> neither do I
[02:24] <yofel> Volkodav: does 'update-grub' say that it found the image?
[02:25] <Volkodav> no
[02:25] <yofel> hm, if everything is ok then line 36 should print a message
[02:26] <Volkodav> probably because I have grub in /boot on a separate partition ?
[02:27] <yofel> could be, there is a 'is_path_readable_by_grub' check, put the image in /boot/grub/ and try again
[02:27] <Volkodav> well I have images in both /boot/grub, and /usr/share/images/grub
[02:29] <yofel> Volkodav: can you add an x to the shebang line, '-ex', and pastebin the output of 'sudo grub-mkconfig' ?
[02:29] <yofel> and don't forget to remove the x again
[02:30] <Volkodav> what line ?
[02:30] <yofel> Volkodav: line 1
[02:31] <ker> hi! I'm using ubuntu 10.10, I just rebooted and gdm doesn't start anymore
[02:31] <ker> it stops at * Checking battery state... [ OK ]
[02:32] <Ken8521> does it drop t a prompt? or just freeze there
[02:32] <Volkodav> yofel: http://pastie.org/1196105
[02:32] <ActionParsnip> ker: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1485383
[02:36] <yofel> Volkodav: what does this command give you? (with the quotes): sh -c "test -e {/boot/grub,/usr/share/images/grub,/usr/share/images/desktop-base}/Plasma-lamp.{png,tga}; echo $?"
[02:37] <Volkodav> gives me 0
[02:38] <yofel> hm, that's correct...
[02:38] <Volkodav> weird ain't it ?
[02:39]  * kubuntu1010 ubuntu1010server
[02:40] <ubuntu1010server> can someone help me see tell if my wireless card is working on 1010
[02:40] <ubuntu1010server> dmesg says Broadcom 43xx driver loaded
[02:40] <Ken8521> ubuntu1010server, i don't see why it wouldn't
[02:40] <ubuntu1010server> btw I am ssh into the box
[02:40] <Ken8521> most of the broadcom devices are reasonably well supported
[02:40] <yofel> it definitely errors out on the first is_path_readable_by_grub check, which is essentially the command I gave you and returns 1 as seen in the grub-mkconfig output, even though the command works fine...
[02:40] <yofel> this doesn't make sense
[02:41] <ubuntu1010server> Ken8521: well aparently there is a opensource driver now
[02:41] <Ken8521> right..... i believe you'll just be able to enable it in SYs/Admin/Hardware drivers
[02:41] <ubuntu1010server> Ken8521: and ifconfg show nothing about the wireless card
[02:41] <Volkodav> I have spent some time with it in alpha but it was not supported at that early stage
[02:42] <ubuntu1010server> Ken8521: server no gui
[02:42] <Ken8521> oh.
[02:42] <Ken8521> well, i imagine you could install the driver manually
[02:42] <Ken8521> just not sure how
[02:42] <Volkodav> I mean this is something really minor for me but I can't figure why it does not work though
[02:43] <ubuntu1010server> think I might have to install the STA driver
[02:43] <yofel> me neither, need some sleep though finally
[02:43] <yofel> ping me tomorrow if you can fix it, if not ping me anyway :P
[02:43] <yofel> gn
[02:44] <Volkodav> bye
[02:44] <ubuntu1010server> anyone know how to tell besides dmesg if the driver is working?
[02:44] <yofel> Volkodav: oh, and don't forget to remove the 'x' from line 1 again!
[02:44] <Volkodav> I did - thanks
[02:49] <ryan_> If you are talking about BCM 43xx then I have a blue light indicating wireless is working. But it is not. And activation of the STA quits.
[02:53] <ryan_> Yesterday on another install, I activated the STA prior to installing, apparently from the cd only. It worked fine. Today I booted that install and it does not work. Same refusal to activate. Also installing from snaptic did not work.
[02:58] <ryan_> A earllier install to the same machine of meerkat of one just prior to this latest release is working wirlessly.
[03:08] <mark2010> hi all. probs with the "white screen" under the latest kernel 2.6.35-22. no probs with kernel 2.6.32-25. wish to put 2.6.32-25 at the top of the list in grub. any help.?
[03:12] <Ken8521> holy crap, tons of updates just hit me
[03:13] <ryan_> What is tons?
[03:13] <nigelb> g48
[03:13] <Ken8521> a ton..lol
[03:13] <Ken8521> g-14 classified
[03:13] <Ken8521> lol
[03:14] <Ken8521> probably not funny if you havent seen rush hour.
[03:14] <Ken8521> 120mb
[03:14] <ryan_> That's normal.
[03:15] <ryan_> If it first right after install.
[03:15] <Ken8521> lol
[03:15] <Ken8521> no
[03:15] <Ken8521> it's been setup for about 3 weeks
[03:15] <Ken8521> and i updated this morning
[03:16] <ryan_> It was an upgrade?
[03:17] <ryan_> Because the most recent release was yesterday.
[03:18] <Ken8521> no, clean install
[03:18] <mark2010> is the right place for GRUB questions?
[03:18] <Ken8521> i don't upgrade, ever
[03:19] <ryan_> yes related to meerkat mark2010
[03:20] <mark2010> want to put earlier kernel at the top of GRUB
[03:20] <mark2010> so it boots into that by default
[03:21] <mokkan> hey, i'm having some issues with my wireless.. i just updated to the 10.10 beta from 10.04, and now it won't connect to wireless networks
[03:21] <ryan_> mokkan, Do you have BCM43xx?
[03:22] <mokkan> i have an asus PCE-N13
[03:22] <mokkan> i'm not sure if it used that driver or not
[03:22] <ryan_> Do lspci
[03:23] <mokkan> 02:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2860
[03:24] <ryan_> Is that the wireless?
[03:24] <mark2010> ryan_: i white screen under the new meerkat kernal 2.6.35-22, i don't white screen under the old kernel and want to put that at the top
[03:24] <mokkan> i believe so, my onboard ethernet is nforce/forcedeth
[03:25] <mokkan> entire lspci http://pastebin.com/G5dHWCbA
[03:25] <ryan_> Not familar with it sorry mokkan.
[03:25] <mokkan> np
[03:25] <mokkan> it's odd because it worked fine with 2.6.32
[03:25] <mokkan> kernel version *
[03:25] <ryan_> Mark2010, I don't know how to do that.
[03:26] <mokkan> but i stupidly deleted that kernel
[03:29] <Pr070cal> anyone know how to get nvidia gl driver working i get blank screen no signal, i think resolution or refresh is wrong
[03:29] <ryan_> mokkan, It worked under meerkat?
[03:30] <ryan_> You said you went from 10.04 to 10.10 which is meerkat.
[03:37] <aprilhare> hey
[03:38] <aprilhare> libphonon-dev is still broken here. - it causes update manager to complain the database is broken and the only way to upgrade packages is to run 'sudo apt-get -f upgrade'
[03:38] <aprilhare> anyone got the same problem?
[03:40] <ryan_> Not me. Did you run  'sudo apt-get -f upgrade' and if so what happened? :)
[03:41] <aprilhare> ryan_, it doesn't fix it
[03:41] <aprilhare> this problem is recurring
[03:42] <ryan_> Sorry
[03:42] <aprilhare> synaptic has libphonon-dev and kdelibs5-dev broken
[03:42] <aprilhare> tried reinstalling, no fix
[03:42] <aprilhare> and, as i said, i ran 'sudo apt-get -f upgrade' to upgrade packages
[03:43] <ryan_> Opinion that Saturday night is not best time to get answers aprilhare.
[03:43] <aprilhare> ryan_, time is different here :) it's sunday afternoon where i am
[03:44] <aprilhare> but point taken
[03:44] <aprilhare> bbl
[03:44] <ryan_> OK good point though
[03:44] <ryan_> mee too
[03:48] <noneaan> if i update to ubuntu 10.10 RC from 10.04, will i be able to update to the offical release in a few days? is this recommended ?
[03:52] <Muscovy> noneaan: You will be able to upgrade. However, if you're worried about any system instability, it would be best to wait.
[03:54] <mokkan> ryan_, it worked under lucid
[03:55] <mokkan> and when i upgraded i still had my old kernel
[03:57] <lucio> mokkan: you have to manually get rid of kernels you don't want
[04:00] <mokkan> well, i thought maybe i botched the upgrade, so i downloaded the 10.10 iso and installed from scratch and it was still broken, and no more old kernel to fall back to
[04:06] <aprilhare> i'm getting frequent file browser (nautilus) crashes. bug buddy doesn't collect enough info to be useful
[04:06] <aprilhare> anyone else in the same boat?
[04:07] <whereami> How can I get ubuntu working reliably with my radeon hd 5870? fglrx driver just doesn't work, radeon driver works but then crashes on exit.
[04:12] <whereami> how can the system respond to pings, but not sysrq?
[04:13] <whereami> oh, nm, wrong ip. it's not replying to ping.
[04:22] <banksy> Just updated an IBM T41 from 10.04 to 10.10 and I get a white screen instead of the desktop.  Feels like a graphics problem.  Can get to terminal via Ctrl-Alt-F1.  Any ideas what is going on?
[04:23] <banksy> I have removed Unity and hasn't helped
[04:35] <jdsbluedevl> hi, tried to upgrade to the RC, but I'm stuck on the splash screen
[04:35] <jdsbluedevl> any suggestions?
[04:40] <Arcer> is there a way to recover from a botched upgrade to 10.10?  my system locked up a few times during the process and the upgrade tool got very confused, appears to have done most of the upgrade but didn't "finish" like it normally does after a reboot
[04:41] <lapion> arcer
[04:42] <Arcer> im running 2.6.35 kernel right now and my /etc/apt/sources.list shows that im using maverick sources
[04:42] <lapion> Arcer, install debsums, and do 'debsums -l'
[04:43] <lapion> it gives you a list of applications that do not have thier checksums installed
[04:43] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I tried to upgrade to the RC, but I'm frozen at the splash screen.  Can someone help me get past this?
[04:44] <lapion> Arcer, install aptitude and then execute the following command literally:
[04:45] <lapion> sudo aptitude reinstall `sudo debsums -l`
[04:46] <Arcer> lapion: i usually use apt-get, and im in progress.  there's a few other broken packages that are preventing me from installing debsums but i seem to be getting through that
[04:46] <lapion> Arcer,  it will reinstall all packages that failed to install their checksums
[04:46] <Arcer> though i didnt realize apt used distcc (?!?)
[04:46] <Arcer> ok, will that get all the packages that were suppose to be installed but were not as well?
[04:47] <jdsbluedevl> hi, can someone help me with my boot-screen freeze issue?
[04:47] <lapion> Arcer, also a handy way of fixing packages is by using : dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/missing-package-name
[04:48] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, what kind of video chipset do you have ?
[04:49] <lapion> Arcer, because usually the downloaded packages are still in the cache
[04:49] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: that isn't the problem.  The boot-up since upgrading to the RC is freezing at the splash screen.  I need to get into verbose to see what's causing it, but I don't know how
[04:49] <lapion> arcer aptitude can reinstall packages..
[04:50] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, current splashscreen is part of kms, and kms has problems with several chipsets
[04:51] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: NVIDIA GeForce 5500
[04:52] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: correction, it's NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500
[04:52] <Arcer> lapion: ok, i think i got it.  the only thing left is ubuntuone-ppa-beta which im pretty sure is old
[04:52] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: but how do you know it isn't an issue of the verbose hiding something that I can't see because of the splash screen?
[04:53] <Arcer> lapion: so thats the incompletely installed, what about the scripts run at the end of the upgrade process, ie, after it asks you to reboot in order to finish?
[04:53] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, intel has the most problems nvidia not as many, try booting in recovery mode, and then try running startx from commandline
[04:53] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: what's the keystroke for recovery mode?  I tried F8 and F2, but they do nothing
[04:53] <jdsbluedevl> heck, I also tried Ctrl-Alt-F8 and Ctrl-Alt-F2
[04:54] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, while turing on computer keep the shift key depressed and you will get grub-boot menu
[04:55] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: nope, doesn't work
[04:55] <lapion> Arcer, if you boot in recovery mode and select the dpkg option from the menu dpkg should do all configuring of all packages that got broken during install
[04:56] <Arcer> and thats it?
[04:56] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, depress the shift key from before turing on the system
[04:56] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: huh?
[04:57] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: you mean after the BIOS screen or before it?
[04:57] <lapion> arcer I would advice to use the aptitude trick i gave, because sometimes none of the packe managers see broken packages that have no checksums..
[04:57] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, doesn't matter depress the shift key and keep it pressed at the moment you turn on the system
[04:58] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, the shift key never block the system from booting only the grub bootloader detects it..
[04:59] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: nope, still going straight to the splash screen and freezing
[05:01] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: that being said, when I do a hard reset, I notice that the circles on the Kubuntu splash screen (which I have no idea how to get rid of in favor of the Ubuntu splash) light up sequentially
[05:03] <lapion> arcer also handy to do with debsums: sudo debsums -s
[05:04] <lapion> Arcer, that one gives you a list of missing/damaged files with the package you need to reinstall to fix them
[05:04] <hanasaki> how do I get the gnome ethernet icon in the panel?  also the one that lets vpn's be configured?
[05:05] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, the shift key thingy should work, do not keep pressing the button repeatedly, but press it and keep it pressed until you get the grub boot-menus
[05:05] <Muscovy> hanasaki: Do you mean the button or the icon itself?
[05:05] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: well THAT doesn't work either
[05:06] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, create a rc-boot-cd and bootup from it..
[05:06] <hanasaki> Muscovy:  both please
[05:08] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, are you using grub as boot-installer ?
[05:08] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: I'm using whatever is stock
[05:09] <Muscovy> hanasaki: I'm not sure what part of your request is, but you can find the icon at /usr/share/icons/Humanity/status/24/network-transmit-receive.svg
[05:09] <hanasaki> Muscovy:  hmm that's not it.. I mean the icon on the panel so I can select it and setup a vpn client and see my ehternet adapters in gnome
[05:09] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, if you are using grub when keeping shift depressed while booting you should get grub boot-menu, in thet bootmenu you have to select one of the recovery-boot kernels
[05:10] <Muscovy> hanasaki: To set up VPN, select "VPN Connections", available by clicking on the network icon.
[05:11] <lapion> hanasaki, add the Notification Area to your panel
[05:11] <lapion> hanasaki, add the "Notification Area" to your panel
[05:12] <hanasaki> lapion:  I have a notificaiton area.. just no icon like what Muscovy and you are talking about
[05:12] <hanasaki> brb
[05:13] <lapion> hanasaki, all the notification icons changed as of 10.x
[05:13] <jdsbluedevl> lapion: I guess this will have to stay on hold for a while, apparently I have to download a new ISO (lost all the other older ones)
[05:14] <hanasaki> thanks for the info on connections
[05:15] <lapion> jdsbluedevl, yes you need the latest one because with the older ones you cannot check if the latest release candidate will work with your system, at least with basic seetings
[05:15] <hanasaki> when I login metacity runs.. not compiz.  I ran compiz --replace and saved current apps / logged out and back in / again only metacity is running.  how can I get compiz to be the default on login?
[05:16] <Arcer> lapion: ok so basically what i just did is told dpkg to reinstall every package downloaded in the last two days in the cache (used a python script), the debsums -s shows a few bluetooth package bugs (which ill fix) but i dont have bluetooth on this system so it doesnt concern me highly
[05:17] <Arcer> what im concerned with is while im running a newer kernel, i dont seem to have newer bootup/etc graphics.  the widgets in the upper right look different, but are not other things suppose to change as well?
[05:17] <pooky> in 10.10, after an upgrade from 10.04, my windows don't drag properly. Any suggestions on how to debug/fix?
[05:17] <lapion> hanasaki, System->preferences->Appearance Preferences->Visual Effects
[05:18] <pooky> Sorry, I should be more specific, they refresh slowly and "lag". This is in gnome.
[05:18] <Arcer> pooky: you mean the title of the window seems hidden behind the top menu bar?
[05:18] <pooky> No, when I drag a window on the screen, it ccan't keep up with the moue. This behavious ir new after the update.
[05:18] <hanasaki> lapion:  I do that and it works.. logout / login and its back to metacity
[05:18] <lapion> Arcer, rebuild your initramfs
[05:19] <Arcer> lapion: is there a command for that?
[05:19] <pooky> wow, typing fail. Dragging a window on screen lags behind the mouse.
[05:20] <pooky> Arcer: if I shade the window, and turn it just into a titlebar, it works fine.
[05:20] <lapion> Arcer, sudo update-initramfs -k all -c
[05:21] <hanasaki> lapion:  any idea why the selection won't "stick" between logins?
[05:21] <lapion> hanasaki, try google
[05:22] <lapion> hanasaki, or post your problem at another tiem and hope there is someone in her that happens to have had the same problem
[05:22] <lapion> *here
[05:22] <rohit> While choosing a wallpaper, the slideshow wallpapers, on clicking the forward/play button -- another similar button appears before it. On clicking it it disappears. This is a bug?
[05:24] <hanasaki> thanks
[05:24] <lapion> Arcer, do that in a terminal, not on the run applications dialog-box
[05:24] <Arcer> of course
[05:26] <Arcer> ok thanks :-)
[05:26] <Arcer> hopefully the system should be GTG from here
[05:27] <lapion> will someone tell hanasaki to go to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=603160 there are more instructions in there
[05:27] <lapion> if he comes online when I am not
[05:29] <ircrob> ubuntu-minimal v1.207 has dhcp3-client which is not needed when using ppp and resolv.conf
[05:30] <ircrob> ubuntu-minimal v1.207 has vim-tiny, nano would be easier to learn to use
[05:32] <lapion> ircrob, vi is really have and mor powerfull and maybe even smaller
[05:33] <lapion> ircrob, vi is really handy and more powerful and maybe even smaller
[05:34] <ircrob> lapion: the commands are to hard for a newbie to learn
[05:34] <javatexan> anyone doing grails dev?
[05:36] <Ramza> Is there a way to choose a destination drive to install the mbr on when installing Ubuntu (10.10RC)?  I have a desktop with 6 hard drives, and no mbr's.  Went to install from usb drive and out of those 7 drives ubuntu choose to put the mbr on the flash drive...
[05:36] <ircrob> lapion: a newbie would only need to edit a single file then save
[05:44] <Ramza> Or is there a way for me to change the MBR to a different drive?  Namely the one that is first in my boot order?
[05:49] <ircrob> ramza: to change it later look at man grub-install
[05:50] <Ramza> ircrob: Thank you, I will do that now.
[06:08] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm having issues with the RC.  When I boot up, the computer hangs on the splash screen.  I booted instead into the Live CD.  What do I do now?
[06:10] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm having issues with the RC.  When I boot up, the computer hangs on the splash screen.  I booted instead into the Live CD.  What do I do now?
[06:11] <rusivi> jdsbluedevl: If your in the mood to debug have at it. Assuming Lucid works, stick with that until final release (1 week).
[06:12] <jdsbluedevl> are you telling me hanging at the boot splash screen is an unfixable bug?
[06:12] <rusivi> jdsbluedevl: No, I am providing a "fix" versus a solution.
[06:16] <jdsbluedevl> well, can you at least tell me how to mount my hard drive while in Live CD mode?
[06:24] <Ramza> jdsbluedevl: You should be able to go to the System --> Administration --> Disk Utility  menu option and select your drive/partition and choose mount
[06:24] <jdsbluedevl> nvm, I got it
[06:24] <jdsbluedevl> Ramza: but what about the splash screen issue?  I tried taking out "quiet" and "splash" from /boot/grub/menu.lst, but that hasn't worked.
[06:25] <jdsbluedevl> Ramza: or is that because I didn't reload the grub-bootloader?
[06:25] <Ramza> I wouldn't know anything about that.  Mounting was the easy question.
[06:33] <bullgard4_> Why is there installed on my computer the DEB program package »grub« ("Legacy version") as well as »grub common« ("version 2")?
[06:34] <bullgard4_> Why is there installed on my computer the DEB program package »grub« ("Legacy version") as well as »grub-common« ("version 2")?
[06:41] <jdsbluedevl> so I guess nobody's going to help me with the frozen splash-screen issue?
[06:42] <Evil_Eric> hi guys
[06:43] <jdsbluedevl> Evil_Eric: everyone's leaving, nobody will help you.  I've been in here for 40 minutes, and no help of substance
[06:43] <Evil_Eric> is it safe to say this rc is going to be the one released yet
[06:43] <jdsbluedevl> one guy said "you go debug".  I wanted to curse him out
[06:44] <jdsbluedevl> Evil_Eric: depends.  I'm getting stuck on the splash screen at boot
[06:44] <jdsbluedevl> a pretty major bug, if you ask me.  Nobody seems to want to help
[06:44] <Evil_Eric> ehhhh wish i wasnt so much of a noob i would try to help you
[06:44] <jdsbluedevl> and I'm getting pissed off at how in the past few months I have gotten piss-poor support both in the chats and the forums
[06:45] <Evil_Eric> this is why google is god
[06:45] <Evil_Eric> search google and it shall provide
[06:46] <jdsbluedevl> only if you know what to search for
[06:46] <jdsbluedevl> which I don't
[06:46] <Evil_Eric> i just come here to agrovate the locals alittle
[06:47] <Evil_Eric> so your saying if i upgrade to the rc ill have issues with the splash screen?
[06:48] <jdsbluedevl> maybe
[06:48] <Evil_Eric> are there anyother people having issues with the splash screen
[06:49] <Sikth_> Hi guys, just joined. I have a problem with ubuntu 9.10, can I post my results?
[06:49] <Sikth_> not results, but what the terminal tells me.
[06:50] <Sikth_> One or more of the mounts lited in /etc/fstab canno be mounted:/:waitiing for /dev/disk/by-uuid/0641f685-848b-40db-9f5d-8d900e6d9bd2 /tmp:waiting for (null) :waiting for 0 press escape to enter a recovery shell
[06:51] <Sikth_> I'm on my Windows Partition right now
[07:31] <i_is_broke> sikth_, ask in ubuntu this is for maveric you want to be in the other room
[07:32] <i_is_broke> by the way 9.10 is expired in just a few days.
[07:33] <i_is_broke> my bad thats 9.04
[07:43]  * Tweaky-Away is away: Gone away for now
[07:55] <banksy> Update on my IBM T41 white screen woes - if I remove xserver-xorg-video-radeon I can get X loading, but looking like it's 16 colours only.  So I think that's the culprit.  Nothing showing up online explaining what to do about it though - any ideas
[08:08] <Sikth_> hi, I have a problem
[08:08] <Sikth_> here is my fstab output of my linux partition http://paste.linuxassist.net/215438
[09:02] <droopal> I hav two problems, one is I cant use the number buttons on the right of my keyboard, and the other is my network stopped working. Can somebody help please?
[09:08] <SaRy> droopal, wireless network ..
[09:08] <droopal> yes
[09:08] <droopal> and do you know why nthe numbers at the right of the keyboard would stop working
[09:09] <droopal> number lock is on, and its like that with abotu 2 new keyboards and 2 old
[09:09] <droopal> tried them all.
[09:09] <SaRy> take a look here .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[09:10] <SaRy> No i don't , am see if someone had the same issue , and what is it related to.
[09:11] <droopal> I think there is more to it than that., When I look in Places Network, I only have the windows Icon in there, and it should have another icon for Ubuntu. When I click on the windows icon, it says unable to mount failed to retrieve share list, but I have set up windows to share.
[09:11] <SaRy> have ya tried the key numbers with Fn ..
[09:12] <droopal> what is fn?
[09:12] <SaRy> The Fn key on the keyboard ..
[09:13] <droopal> I'm using pc, not laptop, and cant find Fn button on this keyboard
[09:13] <TiK> droopal: you setup samba?
[09:14] <TiK> it doesnt come with ubuntu
[09:14] <TiK> you have to apt-get it
[09:14] <SaRy> seems like he didn't sat a samba password ..
[09:15] <SaRy> droopal, is that so ..
[09:16] <droopal> Samba is installed, why would it work and now stop, and why would it say unable to mount location, when trying toi click on windows Icon, and where did the Ubuntu Icon dissappear too.
[09:16] <droopal> sorry, slow at typing,
[09:17] <TiK> droopal: have you restarted the service?
[09:17] <droopal> how do I do that?
[09:17] <TiK> a file in /etc/init.d
[09:17] <TiK> sudo ./file restart
[09:18] <droopal> not sone that before, so not sure how you go about doing that. Can you talk me through it please, thank you.
[09:19] <TiK> open a terminal
[09:19] <TiK> cd /etc/init.d
[09:19] <TiK> ls
[09:19] <TiK> find the samba related file
[09:19] <TiK> then issue the command
[09:20] <TiK> sudo ./file restart
[09:22] <droopal> that is odd, cant find samba file is it called samba in this directory or something else?
[09:22] <TiK> smbd?
[09:23] <droopal> yep, that is there, so the command would be sudo ./smbd restart yes?
[09:23] <TiK> right
[09:24] <shazzr> what do you call the bar that shows the progress during installation of new software?
[09:24] <TiK> heh
[09:24] <TiK> progress bar?
[09:24] <TiK> heh
[09:24] <droopal> ok, got something when I did that, need to open paste bin, one sec
[09:25] <TiK> k
[09:25] <shazzr> TiK: Thanks. Simplicity does it I guess. :)
[09:25] <droopal> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/75406 what does that mean?
[09:26] <TiK> means
[09:26] <TiK> you can simple type service smbd restart
[09:26] <TiK> instead
[09:28] <droopal> ok, that command seemed to do something, do I need to restart computer? I just tried to click on Windows link in Network and it says same thing, unable to mount location
[09:29] <droopal> is there something I can do in the terminal that will show if the Network has problems?
[09:31] <TiK> i have no idea
[09:31] <TiK> ive never used it
[09:31] <TiK> man smbd
[09:31] <TiK> or man samba
[09:31] <TiK> or gogle
[09:31] <TiK> google ;)
[09:32] <droopal> unfortunately, I tried looking at man, and dont understand much of it
[09:33] <droopal> so how do you network, or dont you?
[10:24] <tetsuo--> help, i switched displays (like i always do) but this time both displays are black!
[10:24] <tetsuo--> i disabled the external display and enabled the internal laptop display, the external one went black but the laptop one did not go on
[10:24] <tetsuo--> what can i do to restore the screen?
[10:27] <sinistrad> You might try toggling through your CTRL+ALT+ F7-F9 to see if your desktop slipped over to one of those
[10:29] <sinistrad> I'm trying to update from 10.04 to 10.10. My repo doesn't seem to have a few files that I need to start the upgrade. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/zkGJVLx8 is the output I'm getting. Should I wait for the mirror to catch up or is there something else I can do?
[10:31] <tetsuo--> both screens stay balack :(
[10:31] <tetsuo--> black
[10:31] <tetsuo--> black/off
[10:35] <sinistrad> You might have to check your gdm/Xorg logs to see if something has reported back a problem in either of those.
[10:36] <sinistrad> I'm not real experienced with odd display problems, but I figured I might be able to throw out a couple of suggestions
[10:37] <tetsuo--> the thing is, i need a display to view logs with
[10:38] <tetsuo--> ;)
[10:38] <sinistrad> ssh in
[10:38] <tetsuo--> i guess i vcan try that tonight
[10:38] <tetsuo--> ok thanks
[10:39] <sinistrad> np. Don't give up on these guys. They might actually know how to sort it out. I'm a guy like you
[10:39] <sinistrad> It's just 5:40AM EST
[10:39] <sinistrad> Most of the sane ones are asleep
[10:49] <neko_> hi
[10:49] <bazhang> using unetbootin?
[10:50] <neko_> i have no success installing the 10.10 rc on a lenovo s10-3 netbook, if anyone have an idea
[10:50] <neko_> ?
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> try the alternative isntaller cd version
[10:50] <neko_> will give it a try
[10:50] <TiK> nah his prob is he instaler freezes up after he chooses hisdefualt lang
[10:50] <TiK> defau;t
[10:50] <bazhang> corrupt iso
[10:50] <TiK> could be a number f things
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> and of course check the md5 sums....
[10:51] <TiK> did you test the cd?
[10:51] <bazhang> md5 the iso neko_
[10:51] <neko_> i cannot test the cd as well
[10:51] <neko_> okeyr
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> I have to use the alt-installer on my nvidia machines due to some issues.
[10:51] <bazhang> !md5
[10:51] <TiK> ,d5 adtest/
[10:51] <TiK> md5 and test
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> You can test the iso file y ou downloaded.. and it should have a 'test the disk' option in the menus
[10:51] <neko_> it freeze the same way
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> also.. what if you dident select a language.. and let it use the defaults? I dident think mine asked by default.
[10:52] <Hew> it's really hard to grab window edges in 10.10, anyone know if there's a bug for this?
[10:52] <neko_> with the "test disk" option
[10:52] <TiK> sounds like a bad burn
[10:52] <neko_> i go redownload it
[10:52] <neko_> it is not a cd
[10:52] <TiK> ?
[10:52] <Flynsarmy> How do you mark packages by task in synaptic in maverick? Can't find it in the menu anymore
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> the check the disk option checks the files on the disk or flash drive, or whatever...
[10:52] <neko_> it's an usb key, no cd on this netbook
[10:52] <sinistrad> Is there a place I can browse the RC repos and download the packages I need to complete the install?
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> I agree with TiK  bad iso file most likely.
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> bad download causing deeper issues...
[10:53] <neko_> i redownload it, and check the md5
[10:53] <neko_> okey
[10:54] <sinistrad> !repository
[10:55] <tetsuo--> [11:38] <sinistrad> ssh in   << connection refused :(
[10:56] <sinistrad> tetsuo--, You might be able to telnet in if it is a local machine
[10:56] <Flynsarmy> anyone?
[10:56] <sinistrad> tetsuo--, I would say hook a monitor up and then install ssh, but if you can do that, you can look at the logs without ssh =)
[10:57] <tetsuo--> telnet failed too
[10:57] <tetsuo--> yep
[10:57] <tetsuo--> both the internal and external monitor fail
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> ssh localhost
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:58] <tetsuo--> Dr_Willis:  i cannot do anything on the ubuntu install because it refuses to display anything, switching monitors seems to have failed, all screens are off
[10:58] <sinistrad> tetsuo--, Hrm, either your system has those services not running, or your machine might have freaked out, which it can do with video hardware issues on occasion
[10:59] <tetsuo--> yep
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> tetsuo--:  ive seen laptops have bios settings to select what monitor to sue by default - ive also seen them with fn-XXX keys that ive had to hit a few times to toggle on a specific monitor..
[10:59] <tetsuo--> any way to input a keyboard command to go into standby?
[10:59] <tetsuo--> all those hardware buttons are ignored by ubuntu\
[10:59] <tetsuo--> my main gripe with the os
[10:59] <tetsuo--> on windows those functions work like a charm
[11:00] <neko_> bazhang, where can i found the valid md5sum for the 10.10 rc ?
[11:00] <sinistrad> CTRL+ALT+Backspace used to kill gdm, but I think it was disabled by default
[11:00] <neko_> to compare my sum with
[11:00] <sinistrad> tetsuo--, You've rebooted already?
[11:00] <tetsuo--> i cannot
[11:00] <tetsuo--> i need keyboard command to do that
[11:00] <tetsuo--> but i have documents i dont want to lose, so want to try standby first
[11:01] <bazhang> http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/ neko_
[11:01] <sinistrad> tetsuo--, I understand. I'm not sure I have a solution. I'm hoping your editor has auto-save turned on
[11:02] <sinistrad> Like I said, I'm not a guru here
[11:02] <tetsuo--> last resort is holding the power key to force it off
[11:02] <sinistrad> tetsuo--, That was my suggestion until you mentioned your documents in limbo
[11:03] <neko_> well the md5sum is ok maybe it is the building of the bootable key that have been corrupted
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> neko_:  what tool did you use to make the key?
[11:03] <neko_> md5sum
[11:03] <neko_> ah
[11:03] <neko_> sorry
[11:03] <neko_> the one that come with ubuntu
[11:03] <bazhang> unetbootin?
[11:03] <neko_> but first one was made with a 10.04 netbook version
[11:04] <neko_> i don't think it is unetbootin
[11:04] <bazhang> usb-creator?
[11:05] <neko_> yes that is the name
[11:05] <bazhang> could try unetbootin as well, its in the repos
[11:05] <neko_> i am into rebuild again the key with a 10.10 ubuntu desktop version
[11:06] <neko_> maybe i have reboot too early and some data wasn't really wrote on the usb key
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> if yu have access to a windows box. the pendrive linux web site has other tools to make the keys.
[11:09] <Flynsarmy> How do you mark packages by task in synaptic in maverick? Can't find it in the menu anymore
[11:10] <neko_> well no chance with the usb key :(
[11:11] <neko_> could it be because of the key itself ?
[11:12] <neko_> will try to boot it on this computer
[11:21] <lapion> As of recently i915 drvier with i855 chipset has been very stable on my system, that is ever since I removed all stage xorg.conf and xorg.conf.failsafe files, and refused to install last xorg updates that permanently disable kms...
[11:23] <lapion> even to the point I can now use compiz ( be it not full-blown compiz)
[11:23] <lapion> don't forget to enable compiz in modules
[11:31] <TraDEd> hi, can anyone help with a problem I am having with unity?
[11:32] <Flynsarmy> How do you mark packages by task in synaptic in maverick? Can't find it in the menu anymore
[11:32] <TraDEd> I have an application that runs from a script but I can't find any way to add it to unity as a custom launcher
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> ive not even tried Unity yet.
[11:34] <Flynsarmy> The solution to my problem was to insatll tasksell. after that it appeared in synaptic
[11:35] <orca> unity? debain-based?
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> unity is the new netbook interface i recall
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> !info unity
[11:36] <orca> i remembered
[11:36] <TraDEd> yes, it is the new main netbook interfce
[11:36] <orca> is unity better than umbc and moblin in gui?
[11:36] <orca> xmbc
[11:36] <alket> Is there any Ubuntu Migration Assisant for ubuntu ?
[11:37] <alket> I know there is one for windows
[11:37] <orca> migration?
[11:37] <TraDEd> i just upgraded and it took everything with no problems alket
[11:37] <TraDEd> no migration needed :)
[11:37] <alket> TraDEd, my upgrade failed, i need a fresh install but to save Documents
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> copy home over...
[11:38] <orca> i will use my lts until 2013
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> all users files should be in their home dir.. one reason to keep /home/ on its own partition
[11:38] <TraDEd> one of the main problems with a default ubuntu install is that it doesn' seperate the /home directory still
[11:39] <orca> Dr_Willis: can somebody read this partition's uuid over the internet?
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> orca:  uuid oer the internet? Not very likely
[11:39] <orca> hehe
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> !uuid
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> unless they sshed in.. even then.. what would they do with it..
[11:40] <orca> Dr_Willis: or try to remount it?
[12:00]  * penguin42 decides to try KDE again for a few hours
[12:07] <BUGabundo> mornanguetto
[12:10] <penguin42> Hi BUG
[12:12] <BUGabundo> hey penguin42
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> Hmm... I think ive had grub2 die on me for the 2nd time now during this release
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> flashing cursor. no grub menu, system was working  yesterday. im not even sure i did any updates/upgrades today that could of broke it.
[12:17] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Aren't there some release-notes about that ?
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> i thought it got 'fixed' a few days back.. so i did a clean install.. and it was working.
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> But this time i accidently installed Grub to the other HD. :) so now neither os will boot for me
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> Hmm thers a 'rescue a broken system' item on the menus on my flash installer.. nifty
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> booted the flash/live setup i made. did a repair system. reinstalled grub to sdb.. its booting :)
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> I really need to figure out the proper way to remove grub from sda now. since thats the windows drive.
[12:26] <alket> I just removed some PPA but they still figure in Ubuntu Software Center
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> alket:  you did a 'sudo apt-get update' to refresh the repo listings?
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> Theres also a ppa-purge tool out ive seen. (never used)
[12:27] <BUGabundo> humm broken python? http://code.google.com/p/namebench/issues/detail?id=162
[12:32] <alket> Dr_Willis, yes, it automatically does
[12:32] <alket> i submited a bug report
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> Ive noticed my fonts are messed up in the software center also. I see like the top 3/4 of the text on many of the lines
[12:35] <penguin42> It's nice that the open radeon driver manages to run KDE with desktop effects OK
[12:58] <gzed> any how-to to activate gallium nouveau on maverick? xorg-edgers ppa doesn't contain the libgl1-dri-gallium package for maverick...
[13:00] <penguin42> gzed: You could try asking in #ubuntu-x
[13:00] <penguin42> hmm breakfast time
[13:00] <gzed> already done... nobody replying, thanks anyway
[13:06] <Pr070cal> hi has anyone had problems enabling the nvidia-gl driver
[13:25] <juk> rhythmbox unable to quit, unresponsive
[13:27] <juk> wow 37MB upgrade, ibrb
[13:33] <orca> juk, be careful of your source
[13:38] <rnwolf> hi - I installed cloud-init on my laptop and now I can't get to a console or desktop. Any tips on how to remove cloud-init?
[13:43] <|ns|nR8> resolution keeps reverting back to 60hz after reboot
[13:43] <|ns|nR8> grrr
[13:45] <|ns|nR8> ive tried running nvidia-settings as root
[13:45] <|ns|nR8> manually edited xconf
[13:45] <|ns|nR8> still no luck
[13:45] <|ns|nR8> im going to bed, leaving this running, any suggestions for me when i wake up would be appreciated
[13:46] <|ns|nR8> ubuntu 10.10 geforce 6200, nvidia driver version 195.36.24
[13:46] <|ns|nR8> night
[13:50] <penguin42> anyone got KDE running with multiple sound cards? How do you select the one on the mixer on the panel?
[13:50] <shadeslayer> penguin42: maybe have a look through KMix thoroughly ?
[13:50] <shadeslayer> i have no idea how to do it tho...
[13:51] <BUGabundo> great
[13:51] <BUGabundo> now my scheduler gets stuck in Performance on boot
[13:51] <BUGabundo> wth
[13:51] <penguin42> shadeslayer: well there is a select master channel and that doesn't seem to make any difference
[13:51] <BUGabundo> have I said how much I hate stable releases?
[13:51] <BUGabundo> give me 11.04 NOW
[13:52] <penguin42> hehe
[13:52] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: get latest gcc from debian experimental and start a new toolchain :P
[13:52] <shadeslayer> i wish we had a 3 month cycle tho
[13:52] <penguin42> http://www.xkcd.org/797/
[13:53] <shadeslayer> ah yes... that one is a classic :)
[13:53] <BUGabundo> shadeslayer: I wish a we had a rolling branch
[13:53] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo++
[13:53] <shadeslayer> like suse has a factory branch
[13:54] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: only issue being.. who would maintain it? :D
[13:55] <ali1234> why not just install sid if you want that?
[13:55]  * penguin42 thinks I'd like a bug-fix only release once in a while
[13:55] <ali1234> +1
[13:55] <BUGabundo> ali1234: sid is even older then us
[13:56] <BUGabundo> I have two unstable PCs
[13:56] <BUGabundo> and kernel is still 2.5.32
[13:56] <BUGabundo> *6
[13:56] <BUGabundo> and old GNOME
[13:56] <BUGabundo> erk even my Android has 2.6.35.6 and will have 2.6.36.x next week
[13:57] <davidc3> We need a 11.10 Obsessive Octopus to smash a lot of bugs...
[13:58] <penguin42> good name
[13:59] <BUGabundo> what's 11.04 codename?
[13:59] <BUGabundo> !codename
[13:59] <BUGabundo> !codenames
[13:59] <BUGabundo> Natty Narwhal
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> wowsers. Plugged in a canon printer that was such a pain in old ubuntu.. saw it.. set it up.. worked.. less then 10 sec..
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> Windows required a 140+mb download ....
[14:03] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Yeh I've had a Epson c86 and a Sammy ML-1640 just work
[14:03] <penguin42> (Although the C86 isn't that happy - Photo quality prints take ~6 mins and standard ones aren't great)
[14:03] <duffydack> sx400 AIO works ootb
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> I got a new Brother Laser.. it had an issue where i had to use the plc5 generic driver. or else it would take 20 min to print...
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> not sure if thats fixed in 10.10 yet..
[14:04] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Ah but will it print on a Tuesday?
[14:05] <ali1234> C86 is slow anyway
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> Its some weiord bug. it prints fine.. but every print page some how hangs for 20 min or so with the  Brother driver.. but the fix is to use the
[14:06] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh it's my dads, and he says his friends with Windows have printers that print colour pics nice and fast
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> Generic PCL 5e Printer   driver. which as far as i can tell works identically output wise
[14:06] <ali1234> penguin42: i've used that printer on windows and it's damn slow :/
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> I need to print some color DVD Labels. :)
[14:09] <antibody> plz can someone help me to fix my pkg system? I installed lucid nvidia-bl-dkms pkg in maverick and everything is broken(the pkg system)Error! There are no instances of module: nvidia_bl
[14:09] <antibody> subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 3
[14:09] <antibody> this when I do a dpkg --remove --force-all-nvidia-bl-dkms
[14:09] <antibody> :S
[14:12] <px1> Hi to all
[14:12] <camille> Hello all my english is not very good, but i have a question !
[14:12] <camille> What's the equivalence command of alsaconf/asoundconf on Ubuntu Lucid & Maverick?
[14:13] <Cajun> Could someone tell me, if I install 10.10 RC, since it is feature frozen, will it be the same as the full release once I run updates after the full release is out?
[14:13] <BUGabundo> Cajun: yes
[14:14] <antibody> Camille hmm you can use pulseaudio tools
[14:14] <antibody> I think
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> !release
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> Thats not it.. what was that factoid..
[14:14] <Cajun> BUGabundo: Thanks.  All I needed to know.
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> if you install, and upgrade, it should be same as final..
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> !update
[14:15] <Cajun> I figured upgrading from 10.04 would be different, because of things like the standard photo app being changed, and what not.
[14:16] <BUGabundo> if you already an install base, those will be kept
[14:16] <Dr_Willis> and your user settings wont be changed either
[14:17] <Cajun> got it.  thanks for the quick response guys.
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> I often do a clean/new isntall just to see what the new defaults are.
[14:17] <Cajun> That's what I'm trying to do Dr_Willis
[14:18] <Cajun> Just was making sure the 10.10 RC would be just as good. Otherwise, I'd just hold off until the official 10.10 release
[14:22] <px1> I did a clean install of Maverick alpha and since then I get a strange error: Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ...
[14:22] <px1> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-22-generic
[14:22] <px1> /tmp/mkinitramfs_c9COcx/scripts/casper-bottom/48kubuntu_disable_restart_notifications: 3: cannot create /root/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/notificationhelper: Directory nonexistent
[14:23] <px1> I installed Ubuntu, not Kubuntu...
[14:24] <px1> Do you know how to get rid of this error?
[14:25] <penguin42> px1: I suspect you've picked up a few KDE packages, I'd list all your packages and remove any kde/kubuntu ones if you aren't using it
[14:27] <penguin42> px1: I bet you have a few, try   dpkg -l \*kde\*
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> px1:  perhaps make the directory?
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> I cant imagine why it would want /root/usr/share  how3ever..   that seems like a bug in the package
[14:31] <px1> penguin42: hmm, strange: I was able to find some kde-related packages using yyour hint, but synaptic show me then as not installed
[14:31] <penguin42> px1: Do they show as ii at the start?
[14:32] <px1> Dr_Willis - yes, this lasts from install
[14:32] <px1> ohh, they show as un
[14:32] <penguin42> ok, so they're uninstalled
[14:34] <px1> penguin42: I am not aware of any kde-based program that I installed - strange issue
[14:34] <mortal> hello, could someone activate this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/653043 I posted the screenshot some time ago
[14:35] <penguin42> px1: So I'm not sure when casper decides it's a good idea to use the kde stuff; it seems to haev decided it wants to run that KDE specific script even though it's not there
[14:35] <penguin42> px1: But then, I don't have casper installed - why do you?
[14:36] <donvito2> the say google it
[14:36] <donvito2> eheh:)
[14:43] <Assid> heya
[14:45] <jiohdi> is there something about KDE that is not compatible with unity? I cannot make the konversation icon stay in the launcher
[14:46] <ker> hi! any news on the nvidia-96 front?
[14:47] <Ken8521> jiohdi, no, kde just sucks.
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> dident know there was a war on Ker.
[14:47] <penguin42> Ken8521: Now now, even handed etc
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> Unity is also a work in progress...
[14:47] <ker> Dr_Willis, currently there is no support for nvidia-96 and it's used by lots of people with legacy card
[14:47] <Ken8521> penguin42, i don't claim to be even handed when it comes to kde.
[14:47] <Ken8521> but i'm glad folks who like it have a choice...
[14:48] <Ken8521> ker, nvidia-96 is working fine here i do believe.
[14:48] <Dr_Willis> my old nvidia 5500 box died.. :) so no idea if it works
[14:48] <ker> are you sure? the module is not even seen by X
[14:49] <Ken8521> oh wait, i'm not using nvidia-96.. my bad.
[14:49] <Ken8521> i thought i was
[14:49] <ker> it's for very old cards (5200, 4200..)
[14:49] <Ken8521> ker, whats the problem, is it not installing the driver, of spazzing out, or what?
[14:50] <ker> [    15.747] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (loader failed, 7)
[14:50] <ker> [    15.747] (EE) No drivers available.
[14:51] <Ken8521> hmm, dunno
[14:51] <ker> and nvidia-96 is installed via the hardware manager
[14:51] <Ken8521> hm
[14:51] <Ken8521> !bug nvidia
[14:51] <sinistrad> My Nvidia complains about an ABI version 8
[14:51] <Ken8521> mine works fine.. 7900
[14:52] <Ken8521> couple years old
[14:52] <Ken8521> all right, gotta go.
[14:52] <Ken8521> see yall later
[14:52] <sinistrad> Mine is a gtx 260
[14:52] <ker> ti4200 :P
[14:52] <ker> still get 120fps on sauerbraten with a little overclock
[14:53] <sinistrad> Not sure what I get on WoW
[14:53] <Dr_Willis> 'dark elf addiction'
[14:53] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:53] <sinistrad> hehe
[14:54] <ker> 60 fps in enough :D
[14:55] <sinistrad> I'm working up a pastebin because my upgrade had a few problems, like not finding my mysql databases, making a mess of my apt caches, and of course, nvidia
[14:56] <ker> sinistrad, are you working on a sql based pastebin?
[14:56] <sinistrad> ubuntu's pastebin
[14:56] <sinistrad> I'm just making a post because logfile spam wouldn't be appreciated anywhere
[15:10] <astrojp> fonts looks great on 10.10.
[15:12] <tiger2wander> hi there
[15:13] <bjsnider> sinistrad, are you using an x ppa, like x-updates or xorg-edgers?
[15:13] <shazzr> what package contains do I need to translate to translate the stuff that's on the screen during the installation of Ubuntu? You know...when you get asked for name, password, the computers name and so on?
[15:13] <sinistrad> I'm not thinking so
[15:14] <sinistrad> bjsnider, I'm not thinking so
[15:14] <tiger2wander> I have a partition with btrfs file system, and now I'm trying to resize the partition to fill all the unallocated space around it
[15:14] <sinistrad> bjsnider, normally, I just go to nvidia's website and pull the nvidia reference drivers
[15:15] <tiger2wander> using the command: `sudo btrfs files res 1:max /dev/sda6` but the program return: ERROR: unable to resize '/dev/sda6', any idea to get out this problem?
[15:15] <bjsnider> the nvidia .run files are not compatible with ubuntu
[15:15] <sinistrad> bjsnider, Well, that explains that
[15:16] <sinistrad> so what should I revert back to?
[15:16] <tiger2wander> I'm also used: 'btrfsctl -r max /dev/sda6' but it return: ioctl:: Inappropriate ioctl for device, what's wrong here? I'm on Ubuntu 10.10 rc now with latest update
[15:16] <bjsnider> sinistrad, execute the last one you installed with --uninstall
[15:17] <sinistrad> bjsnider, OK, I'll see what that does
[15:18] <sinistrad> bjsnider, ok, uninstalled
[15:19] <bjsnider> you should be able to proceed with the upgrade now
[15:19] <bjsnider> at least from the standpoint of the nvidia driver
[15:20] <sinistrad> bjsnider, Well, it sortof uninstalled the upgrade, but it made a mess of things I believe. It said it was moving things back, but splash screens and console logins all show maverick & 10.10
[15:21] <bjsnider> i don't know what that means
[15:21] <sinistrad> Once it lost my databases, it said that the install failed and it would revert me back
[15:23] <sinistrad> You can see some logs at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/x6eb0JTu
[15:23] <sinistrad> bjsnider, of course, you can probably ignore the Xorg stuff if the driver won't work with Maverick
[15:28] <sinistrad> bjsnider, removing the nvidia driver and editing Xorg.conf and using "nv" instead of "nvidia" has me at a desktop at least
[15:33] <russjr08> Has anyone here installed the Maverick RC?
[15:34] <BUGabundo> not me
[15:35] <sinistrad> yes
[15:35] <sinistrad> upgraded from 10.04 via apt
[15:36] <russjr08> I am just worried that if I try to install it, the installer might crash
[15:36] <ker> russjr08, on one of my PCs it crashed, and I had to reinstall everything
[15:36] <ker> just make a backup ;)
[15:36] <shazzr> What package should I search for in order to translate http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Screenshot-ubuntu-10.04-localhost-3.png into NO_nn? (for 10.10)
[15:37] <BUGabundo> sinistrad: apt?? you shouldn't do that
[15:37] <sinistrad> BUGabundo, tis done
[15:37] <BUGabundo> ?
[15:38] <sinistrad> well, I used the update-manager -d, and when it bailed, I finished with apt
[15:40] <russjr08> I installed Maverick once, one of the daily builds during the (like in september 18th) and the installer didn't crash, but things could change
[15:42] <shadeslayer> what do you guys think of : http://imgur.com/9tkdN
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ( thats a patched version of choqok asking twitter for authentication )
[15:43] <russjr08> cool!
[15:44] <shadeslayer> its a bit late in the cycle but i think ill manage to sneak it in
[15:44] <shadeslayer> :>
[15:44] <tetsuo--> does anyone know a keyboard shortcut that leads to hibernation or stand by? (my displays no longer work, x probably crashed or something)
[15:44] <russjr08> I think that will help a lot of users out
[15:44] <shadeslayer> it does what gwibber does right now
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ( gwibber uses a ubuntu OAuth key )
[15:48] <filipe> hi! i was update to 10.10 now.. when i use guake terminal some commands show me this : "TERM environment variable not set" but in default terminal of the buntu work's perfect.. but i like use guake, someone can help me?
[15:51] <bbeck_> I've had Kubuntu RC 10.10 installed for about three days now, and the graphics have been very hit or miss.  (very glitchy)  Has anyone else tried it out yet? (Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[15:52] <bbeck_> \
[15:56] <shadeslayer> bbeck_: i think its a issue thats being discussed
[15:56]  * shadeslayer cant remember what was to blame for that
[15:56] <shadeslayer> something fishy with X or such
[15:57] <shadeslayer> ah right... mesa
[15:57] <shadeslayer> bbeck_: its something to do with mesa, i dont remember if a fix was uploaded or not tho
[15:58] <shadeslayer> bbeck_: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+changelog
[15:58] <bbeck_> shadeslayer: thank you.  I wasn't certain if it was just me or if it was a real issue.
[15:59] <shadeslayer> bug 628930
[16:01] <bbeck_> I noticed that, but I can start them up manually.  The thing I was most worried was the weirdness with text areas.  For example oftentimes in kopete I'll type something, press enter and it'll stay there.  It won't disapear until I force a repaint by changing the size of the window.
[16:03] <bbeck_> Or when I present windows, they all slide into place like I expect them to, but then the windows disappear leaving only the text.
[16:08] <RBecker> Hey guys, about 2 weeks ago I updated from 10.04.1 to 10.10 and I've had no GUI since.  I've heard that there was a driver incompatability between the nvidia driver and the x server version shipped with 10.10.  I've tried everything people have suggested, nouveau, version 256, 260, etc.  Any ideas?
[16:09] <penguin42> RBecker: it should work on the upto date ones at the moment, I'd use jockey to remove and readd the driver
[16:10] <RBecker> penguin42: could you give me directions?
[16:10] <RBecker> I can still ssh to the machine
[16:10] <penguin42> RBecker: Well, I don't use any closed drivers but possibly; can you type jockey-text -l and tell me what it says?
[16:11] <RBecker> is that an L or an I
[16:11] <penguin42> l for list
[16:11] <RBecker> ok
[16:12] <RBecker> kmod:nvidia_96 - nvidia_96 (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use)
[16:14] <RBecker> I know versions 256 and 260 (I think) are available in the repos
[16:16] <bjsnider> RBecker, what graphics chip have you got?
[16:16] <RBecker> hrm
[16:16] <RBecker> I can't honestly tell you that
[16:16] <RBecker> It's an onboard nvidia card
[16:16] <RBecker> lemme find out what it is
[16:16] <RBecker> hang on
[16:17] <bjsnider> it's an important piece of information
[16:17] <penguin42> RBecker: lspci | grep -i vga will tell you
[16:17] <penguin42> RBecker: Try jockey-text -u  which is supposed to check for newer ones
[16:18] <RBecker> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[16:18] <bjsnider> well, the latest blob should support that piece of garbage
[16:19] <RBecker> It's onboard
[16:19] <RBecker> I just bought a new one, I was thinking my dad's computer might need it but now it doesn't look that way
[16:20] <RBecker> and jockey-text -u came up with nothing
[16:20] <saxin> nvidia driver working in maverick now?
[16:20] <RBecker> not for me saxin
[16:20] <penguin42> RBecker: Well, what about something like jockey-text -e nvidia_96     ?
[16:20] <penguin42> (says he never having used it)
[16:20] <RBecker> hang on
[16:21] <saxin> RBecker: what nvidia card are you using?
[16:21] <penguin42> it'll either enable the driver or cause world war 3
[16:21] <RBecker> root@RYAN-DESKTOP:~# jockey-text -e nvidia_96 Unknown driver: nvidia_96 Use --list to see available drivers
[16:21] <RBecker> saxin: GeForce 6150SE
[16:21] <bjsnider> nvidia-96 and -173 do not work with maverick at this point
[16:22] <bjsnider> only current does
[16:22] <penguin42> RBecker: maybe it's kmod:nvidia_96 as at the start of the line?
[16:22] <penguin42> ah
[16:22] <RBecker> should I install something like 256 from the repos bjsnider ?
[16:22] <RBecker> penguin42: if I add kmod: it just goes back to a command line
[16:22] <RBecker> no prompt
[16:22] <bjsnider> nvidia-current is supposed to support everything from the geforce 6k onwards, so it should support that piece of crap
[16:22] <RBecker> err, output
[16:23] <RBecker> bjsnider: So should I uninstall 96 and install nvidia-current?
[16:23] <bjsnider> sure
[16:23] <bjsnider> actually you should get a newer card
[16:23] <penguin42> bjsnider: Hmm pity jockey doesn't know about that
[16:23] <penguin42> bjsnider: Don't be mean to his graphics card!
[16:23] <bjsnider> it does know
[16:24] <penguin42> bjsnider: If it does why doesn't -l list it?
[16:25] <RBecker> bjsnider: I DO have a newer card
[16:25] <bjsnider> well toss it in there and use that
[16:25] <RBecker> but lemme try changing around some packages
[16:25] <bjsnider> penguin42, all things being equal, but who's to say what he's got screwed up in there
[16:26] <bjsnider> maybe jockey isn't proerly installed, or the whole system isn't properly installed
[16:26] <RBecker> bjsnider: I'm right here you know
[16:26] <penguin42> bjsnider: Or it's a jockey bug
[16:26] <bjsnider> probably not
[16:26] <bjsnider> jockey compares the pciid against what it finds from a script run against the kernel module
[16:27] <bjsnider> so the available drivers are the ones that match based on the results of that comparison
[16:27] <penguin42> bjsnider: So what does the -u do? Does that fetch a new list from somewhere or is it based on what modules happen to be installed?
[16:28] <bjsnider> but that graphics chip is hardly worth the bother. a $50 expansion card would be better by about...a billion times
[16:29] <bjsnider> penguin42, i'm not familiar with all the switches
[16:29] <bjsnider> it's telling him only the -96 driver is a match?
[16:29] <penguin42> me neither
[16:29] <penguin42> bjsnider: Apparently so
[16:29] <bjsnider> then it just isn't worth bothering with
[16:30] <penguin42> bjsnider: Indeed, but if that's the same backend as the GUI one and it's doing that it's going to screw a lot of people up
[16:30] <RBecker> ok, It's installed, so should I reboot and see if it works?
[16:30] <bjsnider> there's no proof the -96 driver will be updated by the time maverick is released
[16:30] <bjsnider> what's installed?
[16:31] <RBecker> nvidia-current
[16:31] <bjsnider> how did you install it?
[16:31] <RBecker> aptitude
[16:31] <penguin42> RBecker: But you've only just installed current - right?
[16:31] <bjsnider> well, you'll have to make sure xorg.conf has the nividia driver in it
[16:31] <RBecker> right, nvidia-current, nvidia-current-dev, nvidia-settings and one other thing pertaining to it
[16:31] <RBecker> bjsnider: it's set to nvidia
[16:32] <bjsnider> well, you can try it
[16:32] <bjsnider> no harm in that
[16:32] <methril> hi!!
[16:32] <bjsnider> if jockey's right it won't work
[16:32] <methril> i would like to knowif someone has a EFI bootloader working
[16:32] <methril> i just upgraded to Maverick and grub does not boot anymore
[16:33] <RBecker> hitting ctrl-alt-del from a local terminal is the same as shutdown -r right?
[16:33] <methril> i've been googling for asolution
[16:33] <penguin42> methril: How far does it get?
[16:33] <methril> but neither ooting with LiveCD and grub-install work
[16:33] <methril> i've the same problem on 2 PCs
[16:33] <methril> one does not show anything (MacBookPro 2,1)
[16:34] <methril> and the later, a Mac Pro gives the grub_xputs not found error
[16:34] <methril> it happnes allways the same (i get the SO working last time, when i upgrade to 10.04)
[16:35] <methril> but it's a mess allways deal with similar problems
[16:36] <RBecker> ok, it rebooted, and now it just sits there saying Ubuntu 10.10 with the 4 loading dot
[16:36] <RBecker> not moving
[16:37] <methril> penguin42: any clue?
[16:37] <methril> i've been using grub-pc, not the efi one
[16:37] <RBecker> alright, bjsnider, I'm gonna pop this new card in
[16:37] <RBecker> It's a GeForce 8400GS
[16:37] <RBecker> think it'll work?
[16:38] <penguin42> methril: What little I did no about Mac booting I've forgotten I'm afraid
[16:38] <bjsnider> RBecker, it will work, but that's not a 'new' card
[16:38] <RBecker> but you're farily certain it'll work?
[16:38] <sda1986> hi all, i need help with kernel 2.6.35 and ati power managment.
[16:38] <RBecker> fairly*
[16:39] <bjsnider> RBecker, no, 'fairly certain' implies some doubt. there is no doubt it will work
[16:39] <RBecker> ok,
[16:39] <RBecker> thanks much
[16:39] <RBecker> lemme shut down and install it
[16:39]  * methril feels really sad because i allways have t oreinstall Ubuntu, like a windows
[16:40] <DrHalan> hey, i am looking for daily builds of the epiphany-browser
[16:40] <DrHalan> but the version in maverick seems teh most recent package...
[16:44] <methril> well, i try to download the latest DVD
[16:54] <sda1986> hi all, i have a question about kernel 2.6.35 and ati mobility x1700, can someone help me? thanks!
[17:01] <penguin42> sda1986: What happens with it?
[17:02] <RBecker> bjsnider: new card didn't fix it
[17:02] <RBecker> I can't disable my onboard in my BIOS, I can only set the primary adapter
[17:02] <RBecker> is there a way in ubuntu to disable the old one?
[17:04] <sda1986> penguin42: So I have an ATI mobility x1700, Ati drop driver support to this card so I don't have a good power managment, I read on Phoronix website, the kernel 2.6.35 solve this problem, now i have this kernel but i have no idea how check if is it working, no idea how check what frequency is now using, and how change it! I need help for that.
[17:04] <SeRVeR01> hey all
[17:05] <penguin42> sda1986: Hmm I haven't looked at checking on the power saving
[17:05] <SeRVeR01> I need to run some .Net apps i installed wine but it tells me wine: Install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables
[17:06] <SeRVeR01> i googled for it there is apkg called mono
[17:06] <SeRVeR01> but how to install it ?
[17:06] <penguin42> sda1986: Have you seen: http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix/731469-how-power-saving-radeon-driver.html
[17:06] <traskmind> I'm using elementary-nautilus (in Ubuntu 10.10) and it comes with the clutterview built-in, but when I open clutterview it just shows the black bar, but no icons in it. Is there something I need to install?
[17:07] <penguin42> SeRVeR01: Try installing the mono-runtime package
[17:07] <SeRVeR01> is already the newest version
[17:08] <penguin42> sda1986: /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/radeon_pm_info is showing frequency and voltage and PCI lanes for my HD4350
[17:08] <SeRVeR01> penguin42, is already the newest version
[17:08] <sda1986> penguin42: yes mine too, and it show the maximum freq
[17:08] <penguin42> SeRVeR01: Sorry, I don't actually know much about mono, so I'm not really sure where to go next, if that's installed can you just try running your program?
[17:09] <SeRVeR01> penguin42, same msg "wine: Install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables" ok thanks :)
[17:09] <penguin42> sda1986: So that suggests something like echo dynpm   to the ssys file should set it - or profile
[17:09] <Ejdesgaard_> Hi, i have upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10, and there are one issue, i have no menu for shutdown / restart / hibernate etc. in top right corner.... this is realy anoying. and i hope that you guys can tell me how to get it back on the panel
[17:09] <bjsnider> RBecker, try starting from scratch. uninstall nvidia-current and remove the xorg.conf file. in that case, the nouveau driver should be used and you can activate nvidia-current after rebooting
[17:09] <RBecker> one sec
[17:10] <RBecker> I ran nvidia-xconfig but it had my old card as the name
[17:10] <penguin42> Ejdesgaard_: Do an add to panel and make sure you have inidicator-applet-session added
[17:10] <RBecker> so I changed it to the new one
[17:10] <RBecker> and am now rebooting
[17:10] <RBecker> ok, that didn't work, lemme try what you said
[17:10] <sda1986> penguin42: I'm reading the page, i'll be back soon, but already thanks :)
[17:11] <penguin42> sda1986: Hey no problem; note the warning at the bottom that the power saving on kms is a work in progress!
[17:11] <sda1986> penguin42: better than have the frequency always to 460!
[17:11] <SeRVeR01> there is a voip app for msn or not yet ^^ ?
[17:11] <penguin42> sda1986: I'm running on a desktop anyway with a fanless card so it doesn't really matter to me
[17:11] <Ejdesgaard_> penguin42, nice, but how do i get it to the far right?
[17:12] <penguin42> Ejdesgaard_: Try right clicking and using move?
[17:12] <sda1986> penguin42: on my laptop matter a lot, battery life and noise
[17:12] <penguin42> sda1986: Yeh
[17:13] <Ejdesgaard_> penguin42, thank's it worked... i just had to unmark "lock to panel" :)
[17:14] <RBecker> bjsnider: I uninstalled nvidia-current, removed xorg.conf, and now I get a black screen with a flashing cursor in the corner
[17:15] <RBecker> I can drop to a console
[17:15] <RBecker> but I have no xorg.conf
[17:20] <BUGabundo> bah
[17:21] <BUGabundo> can't resume from suspend to ram :(
[17:21] <RBecker> bjsnider: should I install nvidia-current, run nvidia-xconfig and reboot?
[17:21] <BUGabundo> and murphy hates me
[17:21] <BUGabundo> battery lasted just about till 30 seconds I reached my laptop
[17:22] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It's a careful interplay of power management and accelerometer that detects you approaching and then gives out
[17:23] <BUGabundo> oh and sound is dead
[17:23] <BUGabundo> its "like" muted but it shows as unmuted
[17:23] <RBecker> penguin42: you mean webcam
[17:23] <BUGabundo> so I have to mute, then unmute
[17:23] <RBecker> or ultrasonic sensor
[17:23] <BUGabundo> have I said how much I hate stable releases? bah
[17:24] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Don't worry, less than a month and we can have a nice new bleeding edge one (probably bleeding due to being poked with a narwal horn)
[17:25] <RBecker> bjsnider?
[17:25] <RBecker> narhwals, narwhals, swimming in the ocean, causing a commotion
[17:27] <sda1986> penguin42: I do that "echo low > /sys/class/drm/card-0/device/power_profile" but when after that i do "cat /sys/class/drm/card-0/device/power_profile"
[17:27] <sda1986> penguin42: it shows default, not low!
[17:28] <penguin42> sda1986: Have you also done profile > power_method ?
[17:29] <sda1986> penguin42: yes sir, and it's right, maybe i have to reboot?
[17:29] <penguin42> sda1986: Doubt it, those /sys stuff aren't preserved across reboot unless you add them into /etc/sysctl
[17:29] <penguin42> sda1986: Not sure what to suggest - there is an ati drivers mailing list you can ask on, they're pretty friendly
[17:31] <sda1986> i'm in radeon and radeonhd channel but i don't have any answer. penguin42
[17:32] <penguin42> sda1986: Worth trying the mailing list
[17:32] <sda1986> where can I find it? radeonhd.org?
[17:33] <penguin42> sda1986: This one http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
[17:35] <sda1986> penguin42: yes, it works now! i did it again, and it works! (at least according to cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/radeon_pm_info)
[17:35] <knittl> which package of foomatic-* do i need to install?
[17:35] <penguin42> sda1986: Cool
[17:36] <sda1986> so, you said it only temporaly because after a reboot it return as before is it right?, so i have to do a script for solve this problem is it right?
[17:39] <diekrise> How do I use vgaswitcheroo to disable a ati-graphics chip on bootup? Doing "echo OFF>switch" on the command-line works. But when I add it to /etc/rc.local nothing happens. Is there a more suited place for this?
[17:41] <bjsnider> RBecker, you must have some problems independent of which graphics card you're using. without a lot more info i can't even begint o say what they are
[17:41] <sda1986> penguin42: REALLY REALLY, thanks!
[17:48] <penguin42> sda1986: No problem
[17:51] <RBecker> bjsnider: How could I provide you with this info?
[17:58] <balachmar> Hi, I'm trying to create a usb startup disk using the startup disk creator (on lucid) with the iso of maverick. But it keeps failing with: Checksums do not match.  Retry?
[18:03] <saxin> what's wrong with the nvidia driver?
[18:04] <yofel> which nvidia driver?
[18:04] <saxin> nvidia current
[18:05] <yofel> nothing wrong here, what's the problem?
[18:05] <saxin> just installed maverick... then activated the nvidia driver and a reboot...
[18:05] <RBecker> saxin: same issue here
[18:05] <saxin> it just starting flashing the screen after it tried to boot ubuntu
[18:05] <RBecker> I get just an Ubuntu 10.10 screen
[18:05] <RBecker> can drop to a tty, that's it
[18:06] <yofel> does sysrq+k do anything?
[18:06] <saxin> not sure... i'm in failsafeX now
[18:07] <yofel> well, that's at least something
[18:07] <RBecker> saxin: how did you get to failsafe X
[18:07] <yofel> can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[18:07] <RBecker> yofel: should I do the same as well
[18:07] <yofel> RBecker: tried sysrq+k when it hangs? (print+alt+k usually)
[18:08] <RBecker> hang on
[18:08] <yofel> RBecker: well, the xorg log would be informative, if you can get to it
[18:08] <rick> hi... i would like to know how do i configure my x settings in ubuntu 10.10.. there dont seem to have a config file..
[18:08] <yofel> sysrq+k should kill anything on the current tty, including a hung plymouth, X, whatever
[18:08] <saxin> yofel: where do I paste it?
[18:09] <yofel> !pastebin | saxin
[18:09] <yofel> pastebinit is pretty convenient
[18:09] <penguin42> yofel: Have you seen sysrq-b fail on Maverick?
[18:09] <RBecker> yofel: print alt k did nothing
[18:09] <RBecker> I just got ^[k
[18:09] <penguin42> rick: What do you need to configure - most stuff should do it automatically?
[18:09] <saxin> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/505219/
[18:09] <RBecker> yofel: i can get to the log
[18:09] <RBecker> hang on
[18:10] <yofel> penguin42: not exclusively, no, only time it failed when the kernel locked up, but any sysrq command failed then
[18:10] <rick> i need to increase my resolution
[18:10] <penguin42> yofel: Interesting, the other sysrq's work for me, but b doesn't seem to
[18:10] <DASPRiD> i need to increase my income :)
[18:10] <penguin42> rick: OK, do you know why it's not automagically doing it - describe your setup and what it's doing
[18:11] <yofel> saxin: is that all? seems incomplete to me
[18:11] <saxin> yep that's all
[18:11] <saxin> I got a Xorg.0.log.old and Xorg.1.log and Xorg.failsafe.log too
[18:12] <RBecker> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/505221/
[18:12] <yofel> saxin: pastebin the .old too
[18:12] <RBecker> I have a .old as well
[18:13] <saxin> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/505223/
[18:13] <yofel> RBecker: no idea, the log is fine until X segfaults, did you try the beta driver?
[18:13] <RBecker> how would I do that
[18:13] <RBecker> network manager decided to give out
[18:13] <RBecker> so I can
[18:13] <RBecker> can't use apt/aptitude
[18:14] <RBecker> I do have UNE on here
[18:14] <rick> currently the max is 1360 x 768.. i would like it to have 1280 x 1024..
[18:14] <rick> previously on win.. i was having that res..
[18:14] <rick> my monitor shows as "Unknown" not sure if that matters
[18:15] <RBecker> rick: most monitors show as unknown
[18:15] <RBecker> rick: do you have an nvidia graphics card?
[18:16] <yofel> saxin: that's an attempt to use noveau, is the nvidia driver properly installed and enabled in xorg.conf ?
[18:16] <rick> RBecker, well.. i dont have a nvidia card.. its onboard
[18:16] <RBecker> but is it nvidia graphics?
[18:16] <rick> RBecker, nope, am using a desktop btw..
[18:16] <saxin> yofel: I just activated nvidia current and took a reboot... do I need to edit xorg.conf also?
[18:17] <yofel> jockey should do that...
[18:17] <RBecker> yofel: any idea on my situation?
[18:17] <saxin> additional drivers... that's where I activated it
[18:17] <RBecker> rick: desktop makes no difference, i was asking if it was nvidia because there's a tool provided by nvidia that'll automatically generate an xorg.conf for you
[18:18] <saxin> Driver "nvidia" <---- aint that correct?
[18:18] <rick> RBecker, ok.. noted
[18:18] <yofel> saxin: just to try it, can you run 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' and see if that helps?
[18:19] <rick> RBecker, sadly, my nvidia card decided to die on me sometime ago. So, now am living with onboard graphics..lol
[18:19] <RBecker> rick: ah
[18:19] <yofel> saxin: that's correct
[18:19] <RBecker> i just got a new nvidia card yesterday
[18:19] <RBecker> yofel: mind taking a look at mine?
[18:19] <yofel> RBecker: not sure, it can't find any error in the log :/
[18:19] <RBecker> I'm having a similar issue
[18:19] <saxin> yofel: it's alot more there now atleast.. I try a reboot and see how it goes
[18:20] <RBecker> I can't even get to failsafe X
[18:21] <yofel> from the log the driver is using:
[18:21] <yofel> [    20.760] (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 8400 GS at PCI:2:0:0:
[18:21] <yofel> [    20.760] (--) NVIDIA(0):     Acer X203H (CRT-0)
[18:21] <RBecker> right
[18:21] <RBecker> Whee, laptop battery low
[18:22] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas, as I don't see where it could go wrong..
[18:23] <yofel> you could try to download the 260 nvidia-current .deb from the x-updates ppa and copy the file over from another pc and see if 260 works
[18:23] <RBecker> yofel: ok, what's the ppa I need to add?
[18:24] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/ - ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[18:24] <RBecker> ok
[18:25] <RBecker> I need to do apt-get source on this computer right?
[18:25] <yofel> no, either just update the nvidia-current package, or download the .deb file from the web page
[18:26] <RBecker> the computer that's having issues has no network connection currently
[18:26] <RBecker> it stopped working
[18:28] <yofel> RBecker: go to 'View package details' on the web page, then to nvidia-graphics-drivers - 260.19.06-0ubuntu1~xup3, click on the arrow, and download nvidia-current_260.19.06-0ubuntu1~xup3_amd64.deb (or the i386 version dependent on what you need)
[18:29] <bjsnider> that won't make any difference
[18:29] <yofel> bjsnider: really?
[18:32] <bjsnider> yofel, where is this xorg log?
[18:34] <RBecker> yofel: didn't work, got errors
[18:34] <RBecker> oh
[18:34] <RBecker> wair
[18:34] <RBecker> wait*
[18:34] <RBecker> I downloaded the wrong one
[18:51] <yofel> bjsnider: the one RBecker linked to was http://paste.ubuntu.com/505221/
[18:51] <RBecker> I'm still nowhere
[18:52] <RBecker> I opened aptitude just to look at something, and it wanted to install 3 more packages
[18:52] <RBecker> but it can't, no network connection
[19:04] <neglesaks> The Administrator_ is very concerned that we get a conclusive analsis from this sample.
[19:06] <Administrator_> ahhh
[19:06] <Akram> sorry
[19:06] <Akram> my computer is named administrator
[19:08] <lucas-arg> hey guys, im still having problems with nvidia 320m on 10.10 compiz is still laggy
[19:08] <neglesaks> :=)
[19:09] <neglesaks> godo one Akram
[19:14] <Andre_Gondim> I lost my sources.list may anyone paste it?
[19:26] <IdleOne> Andre_Gondim: http://paste.ubuntu.com/505255/
[19:27] <Andre_Gondim> IdleOne, thanks ;)
[19:27] <IdleOne> no problem
[19:28] <IdleOne> you can remove maverick proposed and maverick backports if you like
[19:29] <duffydack> Andre_Gondim,   you should have a file called sources.list.save
[19:29] <duffydack> Andre_Gondim, just say`n
[19:30] <IdleOne> ahh yeah, forgot about that. good catch duffydack
[19:31] <Andre_Gondim> nice shot ;)
[19:31] <shazzr> Does 10.10 have som serious issues with ATI Mobility graphic cards, or is it just me?
[19:32] <duffydack> shazzr, ok here.
[19:32] <dmatt> shazzr: it works for me, but you have to be more specific
[19:35] <shazzr> dmatt: Trying a reinstall now. Both with the netbook-install and plain Ubuntu i get a row on the right side of the screen with rectangular, gradient boxes.
[19:36] <dmatt> shazzr: what card type dou you have?
[19:37] <dmatt> shazzr: and do you use fglrx or open driver?
[19:39] <lubun2> what is erlang* packages for?
[19:42] <zniavre_> gwibber no ?
[19:42] <shazzr> dmatt: It's a laptop (Elitegroup G556) with ATi® MOBILITY™ RADEONTM 9700. The issue occurs during the installation, so I haven't had time to install fglrx yet.
[19:46] <russjr08> Has anyone installed the Maverick RC?
[19:46] <lubun2> anyone knows what those erlang* packages for in ubuntu?
[19:49] <Ken8521> russjr08, i'd say most of us here have...
[19:50] <dmatt> russjr08: i did, i am writing from it now
[19:52] <dmatt> shazzr: run lspci | grep -i vga in terminal, that way you know how linux recognised your card and it is easier to google for help
[19:53] <Ken8521> russjr08, why do you ask?..
[19:54] <russjr08> Oh, I wanted to know if anyone had any problems with the installer
[19:54] <neglesaks> Im runnign the betal plus most recent updates, and it's running quite well
[19:55] <russjr08> I'm about to install it, and I wanted to know any bugs that people have encountered
[19:55] <neglesaks> Beta instalelr ran flawlessly if thats any help
[19:55] <Ken8521> russjr08, well there's bugs, just like every new release.. but for me, they have been almost non-existant, ive had zero problems for about a week
[19:55] <russjr08> cool!
[19:56] <Ken8521> russjr08, are you clean installing or upgrading?
[19:56] <russjr08> I have been running the live usb all day, and have not encountered any bugs
[19:56] <russjr08> Ken8521: Clean Install
[19:57] <Ken8521> russjr08, ok.. cuz i did read some problems yesterday about folks having upgrade problems(although their problems weren't related)
[19:57] <russjr08> Yeah, I saw those too
[19:57] <russjr08> That's why I always clean install
[19:58] <Ken8521> russjr08, same here, i never upgrade
[19:58] <esmirlin> hello i'm trying to install qorganizer on ubuntu 10.10 but i get a message saying something was wrong... any idea?
[19:58] <russjr08> I only think about upgrading when the .1 of the release comes out, and still from Ubuntu 8.04 I have never upgraded
[19:58] <Ken8521> esmirlin, organizer?
[19:58] <russjr08> except for when I used 8.04 in a VM, I did an upgrade, but it was my first day using Ubuntu
[19:59] <esmirlin> Ken8521, qorganizer, it's an agenda for university
[19:59] <esmirlin> Ken8521, http://qorganizer.sourceforge.net/
[20:00] <Ken8521> esmirlin, how did you install it?
[20:00] <esmirlin> Ken8521, deb
[20:00] <Ken8521> it's in the repositories.
[20:01] <Ken8521> esmirlin, i just installed the version in the repositories, and it works fine
[20:01] <Ken8521> (or at least it started fine, i didn't test it's funcationality
[20:01] <esmirlin> Ken8521,  how is it called in the repositories?
[20:01] <Ken8521> qorganizer
[20:02] <esmirlin> and once installed where does it appear?
[20:03] <Ken8521> esmirlin, well, thats the weird thing..lol.. i can't find a menu entry for it, so i started it w/ terminal... but it started fine.. if you needed to keep it, making a launcher in the menu is a 20sec ordeal
[20:03] <esmirlin> i'm using unity desktop... how could i create a launcher?
[20:04] <Ken8521> esmirlin, oh thats right... i have no idea w/ that mess
[20:04] <Ken8521> esmirlin, can you start qorganizer in terminal?
[20:04] <esmirlin> yep
[20:05] <Ken8521> ok, so all you need to do is make a menu entry for it... now hwo you do that w/ unity, i have no idea
[20:05] <esmirlin> me neither :S
[20:06] <Ken8521> i personally hate unity... i run a nmormal GUI on my netbook
[20:07] <esmirlin> why? it's so cool
[20:07] <Ken8521> esmirlin, well, i can create a launcher in about 10sec w/ gnome.
[20:08] <sda1986> hi all, i have a weird problem, I have an Asus F3jp, it has 2 jack 3.5" plug, one is for the mic the other for headphones (and maybe spif or something like that) with ubuntu 10.10 and 10.04, a red led inside this second plug stay on all time. why? how i can turn it off? thanks!
[20:12] <esmirlin> Ken8521, maybe using the main menu settings... where is qorganizer located?
[20:12] <Ken8521> esmirlin, it's not.
[20:12] <Ken8521> you can add it to the main menu though, and see if that puts it in your "control panel"
[20:12] <Ken8521> esmirlin, can you right click your main menu, and chose edit menu?
[20:12] <esmirlin> yep
[20:13] <Ken8521> ok, so choose edit menu, and when the next box comes out, choose the sub menu where you want Qorganizer
[20:13] <Ken8521> then click New item
[20:14] <esmirlin> yep ill chose office
[20:14] <Ken8521> then the next window, Name it(Qorganizer) and then the command is "qorganizer" no quotes... then click OK.
[20:14] <Ken8521> assign an icon if you like also.
[20:15] <Ken8521> then after you add it, go back to unity, and see if it shows up wherever you put it.
[20:16] <peterkls> Okay now that Im in the right channel, how does 10.10 compare to 10.04?
[20:16] <Ken8521> peterkls, well.. what do you mean?
[20:17] <esmirlin> ops... the launcher doesn't appear in the office tab :(
[20:17] <peterkls> Well, any new features, install differences, or software changes?
[20:17] <Ken8521> peterkls, well, the installer has been improved(or in some cases, regressed IMO).. packages have been updated, etc.
[20:17] <Ken8521> not a ton of new features really...
[20:18] <peterkls> the reason I ask Ken, is that i used 9.10 alot without a hitch, and then 10.04 gave me alot of problems with install and configuration, just wondering if some things have been changed/updated
[20:20] <esmirlin> Ken8521,  it didn't work
[20:21] <neglesaks> software-center has been spruced up abit, very much so if you consider the policy-kit bug in 10.04
[20:21] <neglesaks> :)
[20:21] <Ken8521> esmirlin, i have no suggestion, sorry, i dn't do unity, but you'd think there's a way to do that.
[20:21] <Ken8521> neglesaks, yeah, i don't use software center that often, but was showing a new user the ropes w/ ubuntu yesterday, so i used it, and i also noticed it's a bit better
[20:21] <esmirlin> yea i guess... ill try some thing else
[20:21] <esmirlin> thanks anyway
[20:25]  * Tweaky is back.
[20:25] <donri> How does upgrading to Maverick work with lots of Lucid PPAs?
[20:26] <sda1986> hi all, i have a weird problem, I have an Asus F3jp, it has 2 jack 3.5" plug, one is for the mic the other for headphones (and maybe spif or something like that) with ubuntu 10.10 and 10.04, a red led inside this second plug stay on all time. why? how i can turn it off? thanks!
[20:26] <IdleOne> donri: the update manager will disable them and you will need to manually update them afterwards for maverick
[20:26] <trism> donri: you'll want to disable your ppas before upgrade, then update them to maverick afterwards (assuming they provide maverick packages)
[20:26] <donri> Getting some mixed messages here :)
[20:27] <trism> donri: we both said the same thing
[20:27] <IdleOne> donri: you can either disable them before hand or the update manager will
[20:27] <donri> Roger. Thanks.
[20:27] <IdleOne> either way. they won't be used
[20:27] <IdleOne> :)
[20:27] <IdleOne> Welcome
[20:27] <donri> How big is the risk that updating breaks my somewhat tinkered-with system?
[20:28] <IdleOne> this big
[20:28] <donri> ?
[20:28] <Ken8521> donri, well, it's there.. it's happened a few times that i've saw.. but...
[20:28] <IdleOne> donri: there is always a risk
[20:28] <Ken8521> exactly
[20:28] <IdleOne> make sure you have backups
[20:28] <trism> donri: I never have problems with upgrades that I can't fix, but you should always backup before hand, so you can clean install if needed
[20:28] <Ken8521> if we said the risk was zero, you'd be crazy to do it w/o a backup
[20:28] <donri> (:
[20:29] <nemo> ok. this is driving me bonkers
[20:29] <nemo> I installed google chrome for browser testing.
[20:29] <nemo> I have no interest in using it most of the time
[20:29] <Ken8521> and you realized how awesome it is?
[20:29] <nemo> but, ever since I installed it...
[20:29] <nemo> Ken8521: lul
[20:29] <nemo> so wrong
[20:29] <nemo> anyway
[20:29] <nemo> I can't get the damn thing to not be default for various things
[20:30] <nemo> I've already run the update-alternatives
[20:30] <IdleOne> uninstall it
[20:30] <donri> Did you configure Preferred Applications?
[20:30] <nemo> IdleOne: might have to.
[20:30] <Ken8521> nemo, what does it sa in preferred applications?
[20:30] <Ken8521> nemo, what do you not like about chrome?  it is slick.
[20:30] <Ken8521> and runs so much better than Firefox
[20:30] <IdleOne> also, use chromium-broswer instead
[20:30] <nemo> Ken8521: let me count the ways
[20:31] <donri> Chromium 6+ with Ubuntu themes is OK
[20:31] <nemo> Ken8521: crippled addons (no deep integration, just cheapass stuff equiv to jetpack or greasemonkey)
[20:31] <nemo> Ken8521: no graphics acceleration
[20:31] <Ken8521> nemo, i dunno, it's working great for me... adblock and flash is all i need.. and they work fantastic
[20:31]  * donri so wishes Epiphany was more usable
[20:31] <nemo> Ken8521: tough to customise, due to lack of CSS/XUL customisation which is trivial even w/ userChrome.css or addons
[20:31] <Ken8521> nemo, did you install chromium, or did you download chrome from google's website?
[20:32] <nemo> Ken8521: I have both installed
[20:32] <Ken8521> oh.
[20:32] <donri> Which version(s)?
[20:32] <nemo> Ken8521: anyway. I prefer Firefox 4
[20:32] <nemo> donri: chromium 6, google chrome 7
[20:32] <Ken8521> FF 4 doesn't have a linux version yet does it?
[20:32] <nemo> Ken8521: sure it does
[20:32] <nemo> Ken8521: both 32 bit and 64 bit
[20:32] <Ken8521> guess it just hasn't hit the repos yet
[20:32] <donri> It does though not as polished as for Windows
[20:32] <nemo> Ken8521: you'd have to use a PPA
[20:33] <Ken8521> oh, i'm not that worried about it... chrome is working awesome for me.
[20:33] <owen1> is Netbook Edition faster than xubuntu? where can i see list of packages?
[20:33] <nemo> donri: only difference that I've seen from firefox for windows is lack of the combined menu - which is I guess a concern about properly integrating with all windows managers
[20:33] <donri> I wish Fx would work with globalmenu
[20:33] <nemo> Ken8521: meh. as noted, crappy addons, limited customisation, no graphics accel, and stagnated JS engine
[20:33] <nemo> Ken8521: but. to each his own
[20:33] <nemo> aaanyway
[20:33] <donri> But I use an addon to just hide the menubar instead
[20:34] <nemo> Ken8521: did not want this to be a freaking discussion of chromium fail
[20:34] <Ken8521> brb guys
[20:34] <nemo> was trying to find solution to problem
[20:34] <nemo> donri: so. yeah. is set to firefox in preferred apps...
[20:34] <nemo> donri: also did the check for default in firefox
[20:34] <donri> Are we talking http:// or file://*.html?
[20:34] <nemo> and searched for "hrom"
[20:35] <nemo> donri: well, last place chromium got triggered was when I was trying to view help file for geeqie
[20:35] <donri> Changing the preferred browser only affects remote links methinks
[20:35] <nemo> to see why I couldn't find the "shuffle" option
[20:35] <donri> For locally browsing HTML files and the like you can set it in the preferences for the file in nautilus
[20:35] <nemo> I right clicked on a file
[20:35] <nemo> and firefox was set as default for html
[20:36] <donri> Also: ubuntu-tweak lets you tweak defaults app in a more central and complete manner
[20:36] <nemo> hm
[20:36]  * nemo tries that
[20:36] <nemo> no such package or app
[20:36] <nemo> donri: where do you find it?
[20:37] <nemo> btw. another irritating thing about update-alternatives - it encourages a kind of "Race to the bottom" amongst similar apps
[20:37] <nemo> for example, chromium opened (and "fixed") a bug to increase its weight to be higher than other browsers
[20:38] <nemo> I found that when trying to figure out why it kept opening...
[20:38] <guntbert> donri: nemo: ubuntu-tweak does nothing you cannot do from regular ubuntu if I remember correctly
[20:38] <donri> ppa:tualatrix/ppa
[20:38] <nemo> (not that it was due to weight - edited that manually and anyway had already overridden in custom)
[20:38] <nemo> guntbert: well. clearly there is an option I'm missing
[20:38] <donri> guntbert: True, but makes some tasks easier
[20:38] <nemo> guntbert: apparently there are a huge number of ways to decide what to use to open some HTML :(
[20:38] <donri> nemo:  ppa:tualatrix/ppa  was for you BTW
[20:38] <nemo> yep
[20:38] <nemo> adding it now
[20:39] <nemo> luckily I'm at home
[20:39] <nemo> adding ppa doesn't work at work due to their using a high-level port for the http connection
[20:39] <donri> You can always browse and download .deb off launchpad manually
[20:39] <guntbert> nemo: donri be careful though, I saw reports of *very* strange(possibly dangerous) scripts/commands in there
[20:40] <nemo> uhoh
[20:40] <nemo> guntbert: as in. malicious or just careless?
[20:40] <guntbert> nemo: rather the latter (every package operation with --force,....)
[20:41] <guntbert> but as I said -- only reports, I didn't look into it myself
[20:41] <nemo> mm. I've had to use force many a time myself :)
[20:41] <nemo> I can see a gui resorting to it to avoid mysterious errors
[20:42] <guntbert> nemo: its ok if you do it yourself for your own system - but a script?
[20:43] <owen1> where can i find list of packages for netbook edition? i would like to see if it's lighter than xubuntu.
[20:45] <dmatt> nemo: you can try reinstall the browser you prefer as default, may be it is also default-hungry :)
[20:45] <donri> owen1: apt-cache depends ubuntu-netbook, maybe
[20:45] <owen1> donri: thanks!
[20:46] <nemo> dmatt: hm. worth a shot I guess...
[20:46] <donri> owen1: Maybe add --recurse to that
[20:46] <nemo> dmatt: but. this game could go on for a while
[20:46] <nemo> dmatt: since I do update browsers
[20:46] <nemo> (when the repo prompts)
[20:46] <nemo> I'd rather a saner solution :)
[20:46] <donri> owen1: It's not a very effective way to compare "lightness" though
[20:46] <nemo> of course having to dig through multiple configs and symlinks isn't that sane :-/
[20:48] <owen1> donri: any other suggestions? i want ubuntu, but as fast as i can (alternate CD is an option but prefer xubuntu-lubuntu-netbook)
[20:48] <donri> Don't think alternate CD makes any difference?
[20:48] <nemo> donri: oh. btw. you mentioned you were using an addon to enable the combined menu for linux too?
[20:48] <nemo> donri: does it move it into the gtk chrome?
[20:48] <donri> nemo: No, I'm using globalmenu, a gnome-panel applet
[20:48] <nemo> 'cause it'd be nice to free up that vertical space on this screen - I already rearranged the other various bits onto a single line
[20:49] <nemo> ah
[20:49] <owen1> donri: the iso is more than 600mb, so at least in terms of size it's the same as xubuntu
[20:49] <dmatt> owen1: if you want it fast, instal from usb
[20:50] <donri> Oh it's the download size that bothers you
[20:50] <Ken8521> yeah, thats true.
[20:50] <owen1> dmatt: my desktop never let me do that from usb.
[20:50] <Ken8521> well, then cd it is
[20:50] <owen1> donri: dmatt and i like an ubuntu with minimum apps installed.
[20:50] <Ken8521> my desktop won't boot USB either
[20:50] <nemo> donri: I checked AMO, looks like there are a few addons
[20:51] <donri> owen1: Can always uninstall stuff...
[20:51] <owen1> i use text-based apps whenever i can
[20:51] <dmatt> owen1: how is your desktop preventing you from using ubs?
[20:51] <dmatt> usb
[20:51] <nemo> donri: guess I'll give one of those a shot once I figure things out w/ this default
[20:51]  * nemo highfives owen1 
[20:51] <owen1> dmatt: it never recognize the ubuntu install
[20:51] <nemo> text-based sessions FTW!
[20:51] <Ken8521> donri, yup... i like GUI apps, but everything i install, i regularly use... anything i don't use, gets removed
[20:51] <nemo> ssh -
[20:51] <nemo> er
[20:51] <donri> text-apps suck, curses is a hack.
[20:51] <nemo> ssh -C + screen + irssi + centerim + alpine + w3m personally
[20:52] <nemo> lightweight secure sessions from anywhere I happen to be
[20:52] <owen1> i use chrome for browsing
[20:52] <dmatt> owen1: did you managed to boot from usb any other system?
[20:52] <owen1> and finch for im
[20:52] <donri> CLI apps are good for combinatory commanding though
[20:52] <nemo> ah. finch drives me mad
[20:52] <nemo> owen1: tried finch for a week. was just too irritating
[20:52] <owen1> dmatt: yes. my laptop is fine with usb
[20:52] <nemo> was like someone directly ported a window app to the console
[20:52] <nemo> stuck w/ centerim
[20:52] <donri> weechat? :P
[20:52] <nemo> I hope cim5 makes some progress
[20:53] <nemo> donri: never heard of it.
[20:53] <donri> It's irssiesque and I think has at least support for jabber
[20:53] <nemo> donri: mm.
[20:53] <dmatt> owen1: I meant desktop booting from usb
[20:53] <donri> And better window handling than irssi (splits etc)
[20:53] <nemo> donri: I'm on a lot more protocols than that :)
[20:54] <donri> There's always bitlbee
[20:54] <donri> but that sucks.
[20:54] <owen1> i also use awesomeWM
[20:54] <owen1> so never actually use lxde/xfce (lubuntu/xubuntu)
[20:55] <donri> owen1: Maybe you're more of a debian guy?
[20:55] <owen1> but i do like stuff that xfce gives me like UI for screen resolution/keyboard setting etc
[20:55] <Ken8521> plus, ubuntu has better hardware recognition than debian
[20:55] <owen1> donri: not sure
[20:55] <owen1> yeah
[20:56] <owen1> +1 for hardware
[20:56] <dmatt> owen1: just install ubuntu server + few packages you use :)
[20:56] <nemo> donri: I really like the centerim interface - would just like it to use the more frequently updated libpurpl
[20:56] <Ken8521> now thats an idea.
[20:56] <donri> And PPAs are superior to debian backports / mere .deb files
[20:56] <owen1> text-based ubuntu distro!
[20:57] <owen1> consolbuntu
[20:57] <donri> owen1: There's always crunchbang?
[20:57] <owen1> donri: i think they switched to debian
[20:57] <owen1> and they are not text-based
[20:57] <donri> Their website says otherwise
[20:57] <donri> Well, it's probably lighter out of the box
[20:58] <owen1> do u think there is a need for text-based ubuntu variant?
[20:58] <donri> Ah I guess future versions are debian based
[20:58] <owen1> tubuntu - text ubuntu
[20:59] <duffydack> its called server.
[20:59] <donri> Yea
[20:59] <donri> How much servery stuff is installed by default though?
[20:59] <owen1> hmm
[20:59] <duffydack> nothing
[21:00] <trism> donri: you get to choose in the installer
[21:00] <duffydack> there is also the minimal intall
[21:00] <duffydack> install*
[21:00] <donri> And it still has all the hardware detection?
[21:02] <duffydack> course
[21:03] <duffydack> its just ubuntu without fancy gui.
[21:03] <duffydack> the 'guts' are still there
[21:03] <owen1> duffydack: so can i use the console to detect the hardware?
[21:03] <donri> I thought maybe it was optimized for different environments/architectures etc
[21:04] <donri> Like, why detect graphical chipsets for a server...
[21:04] <duffydack> what do you mean 'detect'
[21:04] <donri> owen1: lspci? :P
[21:04] <duffydack> lshw, lspci, lsusb
[21:04] <donri> I think the point is that Ubuntu does it for you during boot
[21:04] <owen1> donri: there is a UI in xubuntu/ubuntu that find restricter drivers.
[21:05] <donri> Could probably install that if it's not there
[21:05] <duffydack> then you'd just install the packages it installs.
[21:06] <donri> Yea if you know what drivers you need I think it should just work to install them?
[21:06] <duffydack> the only thing I have thats not desktop related is bcmwl-kernel-source (the sta driver for broadcom)
[21:07] <duffydack> I guess if you didnt know before hand then you could just use a livecd to find out
[21:07] <donri> owen1: jockey-text
[21:08] <duffydack> curses based jockey exists? cool
[21:08] <donri> in the jockey-common package
[21:09] <owen1> donri: nice!
[21:09] <donri> duffydack: command based not curses
[21:10] <duffydack> either is cool
[21:10] <nemo> donri: screwit.
[21:10] <donri> ?
[21:10] <nemo> donri: nothing in ubuntu-tweak revealed itself
[21:11] <donri> Oh
[21:11] <nemo> I'm sick of fighting w/ that browser
[21:11] <nemo> I just uninstalled it
[21:11] <nemo> if I need to test it, I'll do a manual install to a directory
[21:11] <donri> You can test webkit with epiphany or midori
[21:11] <donri> Though chrome is not "pure" webkit
[21:11] <nemo> no kidding
[21:11] <nemo> donri: I run into way more rendering bugs in chrome than safari/webkit
[21:11] <nemo> also javascript
[21:11] <nemo> donri: premature optimisations mostly
[21:12] <nemo> although they seemed to have their own special set of issues w/ shadows
[21:12] <nemo> donri: I'll just download a zip to the desktop. probably should have done that in the first place
[21:12] <nemo> donri: ubuntu-tweak is neat though. I'll play around w/ it more in future
[21:13] <donri> It's not perfect but gets certain jobs done easily
[21:13]  * duffydack is slowly warming to ubuntu font
[21:13] <donri> That needs warming?
[21:14] <duffydack> its missing mono
[21:14] <donri> The only thing I don't like is the lack of a monospace
[21:14] <donri> Hah, yea.
[21:14] <duffydack> not a lot different to droid...not sure yet which I think is better
[21:14] <donri> I like monofur but sadly gedit bugs with bold with that one and many others
[21:15] <donri> Droid mono bugs in gedit too
[21:15] <duffydack> I use it, not noticed any 'bug'
[21:15] <penguin42> duffydack: I think the font works well in normal, but not in bold
[21:15] <donri> It's not properly monospaced when bold/normal is mixed
[21:15] <donri> e.g. keywords in code
[21:16] <donri> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ttf-droid/+bug/565393
[21:16] <duffydack> k
[21:17] <wolter> what exactly does "install alongside other operating systems" option in the installer does?
[21:17] <wolter> do*
[21:17] <shazzr> wolter: multiboot with current OS.
[21:17] <wolter> yeah but partition-wise
[21:17] <duffydack> I dont trust it.. I do it manually
[21:18] <donri> duffydack: I shamefully use Consolas for monospace :(
[21:18] <wolter> the thing is I have a netbook with 160/160 gb space occupied by ntfs windows partition
[21:18] <wolter> and I want to install ubuntu, but I don't want to mess anything up
[21:18] <wolter> recommendations?
[21:18] <penguin42> wolter: Take a backup first, whatever happens next
[21:18] <donri> wolter: Wubi?
[21:18] <wolter> wubi installs everything on to the ntfs?
[21:19] <donri> Yep
[21:19] <donri> As a windows program
[21:19] <wolter> well, then wubi is the way to go :S
[21:19] <Ken8521> wubi is a bad idea, IMO.
[21:19] <wolter> does it run as well?
[21:19] <penguin42> I think tehre is an option to resize the ntfs down
[21:19] <wolter> yeah Ken8521 imo too, but I think I have no other options
[21:19] <wolter> optionp
[21:19] <Ken8521> wolter, of course you do, partition your hard drive
[21:19] <penguin42> wolter: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot covers resizing NTFS partitions
[21:20] <donri> I've had Wubibuntu stop booting after installing [kernel, I think] updates, in 9.10
[21:20] <wolter> Ken8521, yeah I would be taking the risk of ruining the existing ntfs partition, wouldn't I ?
[21:20] <penguin42> wolter: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoResizeWindowsPartitions
[21:20] <Ken8521> wolter, it can happen, yes.
[21:20] <penguin42> wolter: But be careful! (Oh and have a backup as well for when it wasn't)
[21:20] <Ken8521> wolter, do you not have a backup?
[21:21] <Ken8521> because honestly, if you don't have a backup, i wouldn't use wubi either
[21:21] <wolter> No, but in any case, would a backup save the windows installation?
[21:21] <wolter> Ken8521, why not?
[21:21] <Ken8521> wolter, no, it wouldn't save it.. but you could run a system restore, and restore your important stuff
[21:21] <wolter> if wubi is installed to the same hdd
[21:21] <penguin42> wolter: No, but it would save your data!  (There are some backups that can same the windows installation)
[21:21] <wolter> I have no data I want to save, except for the windows installation itself
[21:22] <wolter> See, the windows install is incredibly recent
[21:22] <wolter> and nobody has used the computer
[21:22] <nemo> donri: http://m8y.org/tmp/Screenshot.png - saving screen real-estate on the laptop
[21:22] <Ken8521> wolter, then what are you worried about?.. if something gets boned up, just do a system restore
[21:22] <nemo> donri: I know you mentioned combined menu, but I like the applications/places/system menu - I just want it to be shorter
[21:22] <wolter> Ken8521, its a netbook without a cd drive, and I don't have the tools to reinstall windows if anything went wrong, I would have to hire the IT guy
[21:23] <Ken8521> wolter, most likely, you have a restore partition
[21:23] <anon33_> hello - i'd like to remove some ppa's that are getting 404 errors but i don't know how. one such error is: "http://pastie.org/1197134
[21:23] <Ken8521> or at least mine does
[21:23] <wolter> No, there is only one partition
[21:23] <anon33_> could anyone help me out? going into the package manager and searching for "dockbar" doesn't result in anything
[21:23] <Ken8521> wolter, do you have a windows disk or restore disk?
[21:24] <Ken8521> that came w/ the netbook
[21:24] <wolter> i am certain i have a windows 7 cd, but the netbook has xp
[21:24] <wolter> i would have to look for the windows xp cd
[21:24] <wolter> but anyway, I don't have the external CD rom
[21:24] <Ken8521> wolter, well, i can't help you there.
[21:25] <wolter> now, what are the contras of using wubi?
[21:25] <penguin42> wolter: My gut feeling is to say that if the Windows is important to you and you couldn't fix it if it were to break, then it's probably best to avoid doing an Ubuntu install - you could try Wubi and I think it's less likely to break anything
[21:25] <Ken8521> wolter, same risks as a regular ubuntu install really.. if something goes wrong, it goes really wrong.. and you'll be reinstalling either way
[21:25] <trism> anon33_: System/Administration/Software Sources, uncheck the PPA, and reload the repository info (software sources will do it automatically when you close it after making changes)
[21:26] <wolter> Ken8521, but I don't need to resize partitions with wubi, do i?
[21:26] <trism> anon33_: it seems to be hidden by default in maverick, you may need to enable the menu option by right clicking and editing the menu first
[21:26] <penguin42> Ken8521: Is that actually true?
[21:26] <Ken8521> actually, using wubi,l it's less likely you'll recover, as opposed to using a traditional install
[21:26] <wolter> I understand I don't
[21:26] <Ken8521> penguin42, thats been my experience
[21:26] <penguin42> Ken8521: Ouch; I'd assumed Wubi was reasonably safe
[21:26] <Ken8521> no, you wouldn't have to recreate a partition, you would hav a "virtual partition" on yoru netbook.
[21:26] <Ken8521> wolter, i can't stress this enough, i would not use wubi in this situation.
[21:27] <Ken8521> honestly, if you cannot do a "normal" install, i would put off installing Ubuntu, until you can get some sort of external CD source(buy, borrow, steal, etc.)
[21:27] <Ken8521> seriously... i've saw wubi cause some train wrecks
[21:27] <donri> nemo: Seen Mr Nobody? :)
[21:27] <anon33_> trism: thanks a lot :)
[21:28] <duffydack> isnt booting win7 from usb just a matter of making fat32 partition and copying files to it.?  I read on technet it was...
[21:28] <Ken8521> wolter, do you have a friend that could loan you an external CD, if it came down to it?
[21:28] <nemo> donri: never heard of him
[21:28] <donri> nemo: A movie
[21:28] <wolter> Ken8521,
[21:28] <wolter> no
[21:28] <wolter> haha
[21:28] <Ken8521> hmm
[21:28] <nemo> donri: ok. of it :)
[21:28] <wolter> I will trust the wubiguide :S
[21:28] <donri> nemo: ?
[21:29] <Ken8521> wolter, i think thats a really bad idea.. like i said, if you're gonna take a risk take a risk installing it right..
[21:29] <Ken8521> wolter, problem is, if youc an't boot windows because something goes werong, you can't fix the problem
[21:29] <wolter> Ken8521, yeah but that risk is greater
[21:29] <Ken8521> wolter, no its not.
[21:29] <Ken8521> trust me
[21:29] <wolter> Ken8521, what worries me is the resizing of partitions
[21:29] <wolter> I trust well the installation process
[21:30] <Ken8521> wolter, resizing the partition is not hard... you have no data on the drive, so the chance of something going wrong, is very very slim.
[21:30] <wolter> Ken8521, you think? Well, I will defrag first
[21:30] <nemo> donri: ... never heard (of it)
[21:30] <Ken8521> but.. if something happens to a wubi install, you'll be reinstalling windows... which you apparently cannot do, because you don't have an external CD
[21:30] <Ken8521> wolter, why would youd efrag, you said it's a new laptop w/ nothing on it
[21:30] <Ken8521> you're making a mountain out of a mole hill
[21:31] <donri> nemo: Ah. Good movie. Main character is "Nemo Nobody"
[21:31] <nemo> ah
[21:31] <nemo> redundant :)
[21:31] <wolter> Ken8521, because I want to do it as clean as possible
[21:31] <wolter> haha
[21:32] <wolter> maybe, but I will be studying meanwhile
[21:32] <Ken8521> wolter, you shoudl stick w/ windows.. really.
[21:32] <wolter> why?? :(
[21:32] <wolter> haha
[21:32] <Ken8521> becaue thats just ignorant
[21:32] <wolter> what?
[21:32] <Ken8521> defragging doesn't clean anything..
[21:32] <Ken8521> it organizes scattered data, if you have nothing on the laptop, there's nothing to organize
[21:32] <wolter> yes... it pushes all the data to one side of the hdd
[21:32] <wolter> Ken8521, i know, but i need to be sure
[21:32] <wolter> its just me
[21:32]  * Ken8521 facepalm
[21:33] <Ken8521> wolter, serious.. stick w/ windows
[21:33] <Ken8521> some people just aren't meant for linux
[21:33] <wolter> lol, i use ubuntu
[21:33] <Ken8521> then what is the problem?
[21:33] <Ken8521> you use ubuntu, and you're scared to partition a drive?
[21:33] <wolter> its just that i need to install this on the netbook, and I don't want to ruin it because then theyll blame it on me, reasonably
[21:34] <Ken8521> wolter, and if you install wubi, and it causes a trainwreck, who will they blame?
[21:34] <Ken8521> your risk is just as high w/ Wubi, as it is w/ a normal install..
[21:34] <Ken8521> anytime Windows is involved in the equation, there's a risk.. at least w/ a normal install, Windos is removed.
[21:34] <Ken8521> from thej equation
[21:34] <mark2010> penguin42: the nomodeset did the trick! no more white screen.  Thanks again.
[21:35] <penguin42> mark2010: Hey no problem - did you file a bug on it?
[21:35] <mark2010> yes, with the solution.
[21:35] <penguin42> great
[21:36] <wolter> just let me defrag ok?
[21:36] <wolter> applications have been installed and stuff
[21:37] <wolter> I just dont think it has received to many use
[21:37] <wolter> in fact, if I analyze the drive and its not defragmentated, then i will not defrag, obviously, but you're just suggesting to do things wrecklessly
[21:37] <wolter> just so you know, the drive was in fact a bit defragmented
[21:37] <Ken8521> wolter, i'm suggesting doing this wrecklessly?... lmao
[21:37] <wolter> yes, without sufficient care
[21:37] <Ken8521> pal, i've probably been installing linux since you were born
[21:37] <wolter> probably
[21:37] <donri> Wait, you will not defrag if it's not defragmented?
[21:37] <wolter> no
[21:37] <Ken8521> i've never defragged a drive, ever
[21:38] <wolter> fragmented
[21:38] <donri> ;)
[21:38] <wolter> haha
[21:38] <wolter> good for you Ken8521
[21:38] <swex> hi
[21:38] <wolter> that doesn't make you any more heroic
[21:38]  * duffydack defrags Ken8521 
[21:38] <Ken8521> :)
[21:38] <swex> Have anybody cached bug in 10.10: elements of program iface staying on top of X till logoff or reload window manager?
[21:39] <Ken8521> wolter, well, if you're gonna do something as reckless as use Wubi.. don't use a release that isn't final.. use 10.04
[21:39] <duffydack> wubi is the last thing to make work isnt it.
[21:39] <wolter> Ken8521, i will not use wubi, I will resize the partition once it is defragmented
[21:40]  * Ken8521 needs a large alcoholic beverage... 
[21:40] <Ken8521> and i don't even drink
[21:40] <wolter> then you don't need it
[21:40] <wolter> and you shouldn't promote alcoholism
[21:41] <Ken8521> i vnc'd a guy box in austrailia last night, and installed ubuntu for him, including partitioning his drive.. and he's fine... i feel pretty confident i know what i'm talking about
[21:41] <donri> You're making me crave nicotine with all this talk of alcohol. BRB smoke.
[21:41] <Ken8521> lol
[21:41] <wolter> I have partitioned drives before
[21:41] <wolter> for ubuntu
[21:41] <wolter> its not like you're impressing me
[21:41] <Jordan_U> wolter: There's no need to defrag before rezising.
[21:41] <bullgard4_> Applications > System Tools > System Profiler and Benchmark > (System Information) > Computer >Environment Variables lists only 36 environment variables. '~$ env' lists 42. The missing are EDITOR, GIO_LAUNCH, HISTCONTROL, HISTSIZE, LESSCLOSE, LESSOPEN, MM_CHARSET,  TERM. Too much are GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID and GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE. How to explain the difference?
[21:41] <ikonia> guys - check the topic of this channel
[21:42] <ikonia> bullgard4_: on 10.10 ?
[21:42] <donri> Updating to Maverick needs to download 1G packages. This will take 7 minutes with your connection. \o/
[21:42] <bullgard4_> ikonia: Yes.
[21:42] <wolter> Jordan_U, well defrag is almost done anyway, but thanks :)
[21:43] <ikonia> bullgard4_: TERM won't be shown as it's not set with a gui application, HIST variables won't as they are shell varibles and not used in a gui, EDITOR the same, not sure about GIO ones
[21:43] <wolter> non given ;)
[21:44] <penguin42> bullgard4_: If you start a terminal does TERM get set?
[21:44] <wolter> Ken8521, you said it wasn't necessary to defrag because the estimated use of the drive was scarce, you didn't say it wasn't necessary in general
[21:44] <Ken8521> wolter, i'm not gonna argue w/ you... as it's pointless because you're clueless
[21:44] <Ken8521> that's not what i said
[21:45] <ikonia> wolter: the linux file systems to not require defragging
[21:45] <frank> hi
[21:45] <Ken8521> ikonia, he's talking abou windows
[21:45] <wolter> ikonia, its an ntfs partition, not a linux filesystem
[21:45] <wolter> a*
[21:45] <ikonia> why are we talking about windows in here then ?
[21:45] <frank> no frglx and vmware support yet :) :( but it's rc so ok for me
[21:45] <wolter> Ken8521, ok, you don't need to argue with me anyway
[21:45] <penguin42> ikonia: He was looking at doing an installation on a machine with a full disk
[21:45] <Jordan_U> ikonia: Because resizing windows is a common part of installing Ubuntu.
[21:45] <penguin42> frank: People have had frglx working I think
[21:46] <penguin42> frank: Which card do you have?
[21:46] <frank> ati mobility radeon 3....whatever hd
[21:46] <wolter> should I resize partition with windows or gparted?
[21:46] <bullgard4_> penguin42: I started a GNOME terminal. In it: "~$env | grep TERM; TERM=xterm; COLORTERM=gnome-terminal".
[21:46] <frank> wolter: worked absolutely fine for me with the builtin gparted from the installer
[21:46] <penguin42> frank: I think frglx should work, but the open drivers are pretty good now on some hardware - I'm running the HD4350 with open drivers and running desktop effects
[21:47] <ikonia> bullgard4_: those won't be set with gui applications, hence why you don't see them
[21:47] <penguin42> bullgard4_: Yeh, so I think they are set in a .bashrc or .bashprofile and thus only once you start a shell
[21:47] <bullgard4_> ikonia: Yes, I understood your reasoning.
[21:47] <ikonia> super
[21:47] <frank> penguin42: exactly, it was undistinguishably smooth with the open drivers, but i need vmware workstation in order to work with the laptop
[21:47] <frank> so it's reinstallation time for 10.4 :D \o/
[21:48] <penguin42> frank: OK, so this is running VMWare workstation to run something as a gust?
[21:48] <frank> penguin42: exactly
[21:48] <penguin42> frank: Have you tried virtualbox?
[21:48] <frank> penguin42: yes, never again
[21:48] <penguin42> frank: I'm told it's pretty good these days; I run KVM which isn't too bad but is still a work in progress
[21:49]  * penguin42 has about 5 different guests on her (Two Ubuntu servers, Fedora 14, and for obscurity Arch/Hurd)
[21:49] <bullgard4_> penguin42: I set TERM=xterm by hand in .bashrc . Otherwise my terminals GNOME-terminal, Guake and Tilda would not work properly.
[21:50] <penguin42> bullgard4_: Gnome-terminal should set it ok; I've seen a bug for guake and something else not setting the terminal type
[21:50] <frank> penguin42: this might all be correct but I'm getting VMs from customers in the vmware format (not OVF, vmdk and vmx files...) AND It's a pain in the ass to backup and restore virtualbox VMs since there is no way to export or import VMs. So all you can do is to copy the virtual disks and lose all (e.g. tcpip settings from your windows guests)
[21:50] <penguin42> frank: Ah I understand
[21:51] <Jordan_U> I've just done a sandbox upgrade to to Ubuntu 10.10 (sudo do-release-upgrade -sd) and got many errors during the upgrade, /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt-term.log here: http://jordanu.dyndns.org/tmp/apt-term.log . How can I prevent this from happening when I really commit to installing?
[21:51] <penguin42> Jordan_U: Won't let me look at that
[21:51] <frank> btw does anyone of you know if i can use the full 4gb physical memory of my laptop when installing 32bit? Is there some fancy extended memory mapping going on?
[21:51] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Will now :)
[21:52] <frank> flash and 64 bit aren't friends yet
[21:52] <Jordan_U> !pae | frank
[21:52] <bullgard4_> penguin42: I filed a Launchpad error report for Guake and Tilda. But I remember that GNOME-terminal sometimes also complained about a missing TERM variable.
[21:52] <penguin42> Jordan_U: That looks great to me
[21:52] <TDJACR> bullgard4_: Could be a language error.
[21:52] <TDJACR> Locale*
[21:52] <penguin42> frank: There is a 64bit flash now, not tried it; although I find the nspluginwrapper+32 is OK these days
[21:53] <frank> ubottu: great, thanks: Both the CD and DVD installer of Ubuntu 10.04 automatically installs the PAE enabled kernel if it detects more than 3 Gb of available memory. In the case of the liveCD, a working network connection is required, since the PAE enabled kernel packages are not present on the CD.
[21:53] <frank> \o/
[21:53] <wolter> ok, so I'm about to resize the ntfs partition
[21:53] <wolter> risk is minimal, right?
[21:53] <TDJACR> Nice frank  :P
[21:53] <wolter> it has a usage of 8/160 gb
[21:53] <Jordan_U> frank: Personally I don't think it's worth using 32 bit just for flash. And you can always run 32 bit firefox in 64 bit Ubuntu.
[21:54] <bullgard4_> TDJACR: Ah! Can you elaborate? With me: LANG=en_US.utf8; LANGUAGE=de_DE:de.
[21:54] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, your log is still loading, how long is this thing?
[21:54] <TDJACR> frank: I agree with Jordan_U, it works fine on 64 bit for me.
[21:54] <Jordan_U> wolter: Yes, the risk is mininal (but existant).
[21:54] <frank> Jordan_U: i see no reason for using 64bit. Can you think of one? Besides "having 32 bit more" :)
[21:54] <penguin42> frank: PAE is a bit of a mess, I don't actually trust it
[21:55] <TDJACR> bullgard4_: I don't really know, but I've had a similar error before. You need to regenerate locales. (If that is an issue)
[21:55] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: 1.3 Meg :)
[21:55] <Ken8521> lol
[21:55] <TDJACR> bbl
[21:55] <bullgard4_> TDJACR: What do you mean by "to regenerate locales"?
[21:56] <penguin42> Jordan_U: How much of it is all moaning about loaders.cache?
[21:56] <scientes>  starting any qt application immediately crashes X
[21:56] <scientes> i am using nvidia
[21:56] <scientes> when i first installed it wasn't like that
[21:56] <Ken8521> penguin42, it seems.. most of it..lol
[21:57] <scientes> what do i do?
[21:57] <Ken8521> woohoo, jordan's log is doneloading
[21:58] <wolter> so, am I recommended to use ext4 or ext3?
[21:59] <ikonia> wolter: ext4 is current
[21:59] <ikonia> wolter: any reason you're trying to use a development version when you don't seem a confident Linux user in general ?
[21:59] <wolter> ikonia, i'm a confident linux user, I just don't like partitioning
[22:00] <wolter> and I want to install it because we're days away from the final release
[22:00] <ikonia> wolter: then why are you asking about file systems
[22:00] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Ken8521: Here's the log compressed with xz : http://jordanu.dyndns.org/tmp/apt-term.log.xz
[22:00] <ikonia> it won't be the first time a release has been scrapped days before release
[22:00] <penguin42> Jordan_U: Well, the first error is dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libdvdnav4_4.1.3-7_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[22:00] <penguin42>  unable to move aside `./usr/share/bug/libdvdnav4' to install new version: Invalid cross-device link
[22:00] <wolter> yes but it has good feedback
[22:00] <penguin42> Jordan_U: So, I'd remove libdvdnav4 and see if it helps, but I'm not clear why it's complainig about libapt-pkg
[22:00] <Jordan_U> penguin42: Which actually sounds like it's caused by the sandbox itself (as does the grub error).
[22:01] <ikonia> wolter: just wait for the final release
[22:01] <wolter> anyway, the partition should be put in the end if the other one is graphically drawn at the beginning, right?
[22:01] <mfaroukg> any body using ubuntu 10.10 on dell 505?
[22:01] <penguin42> Jordan_U: I wouldn't worry about the loaders.cache stuff, although not sure why it's happening
[22:01] <ikonia> wolter: why are you asking, you've said your confident
[22:01] <penguin42> mfaroukg: I'm not, but is it a question of whether it works or have you got a particular problem?
[22:02] <wolter> i said as well i didn't like partitioning, in case you misread
[22:02] <ikonia> wolter: didn't like doesn't mean you should understand it
[22:02] <wolter> and I think you could help instead of asking me pointless questions
[22:02] <ikonia> wolter: I think you should be able to partition a disk if your considering using a development release
[22:02] <trism> penguin42: Jordan_U the gdk pixbuf loaders location was moved in maverick, as well has how the cache was stored, which is the reason for the errors, it's not a big deal though, it gets generated correctly at the end
[22:02] <mfaroukg> penguin42: it works with older version of kernel only not the last one
[22:03] <wolter> ikonia, and if I wasn't, wouldn't you help me just because of that
[22:03] <wolter> ?
[22:03] <ikonia> mfaroukg: which one is causing the issue
[22:03] <penguin42> mfaroukg: What happens? And which version exactly works and which one doesn't ?
[22:03] <ikonia> wolter: probably not, I wouldn't help you put a development OS on your machine that you didn't understand the basics of
[22:03] <mfaroukg> please help to get the list of versions and I will send you the list
[22:04] <penguin42> mfaroukg: Well what works and what doesn't - just tell us what you know so far
[22:04] <Jordan_U> To be clear there is actual breakage, I currently get many errors and unconfigureable packages when I "sudo apt-get -f install".
[22:04] <wolter> do you think partitions are of basic computer knowledge?
[22:04] <ikonia> wolter: I think it's basic Linux knowledge, and how to use the tool, yes
[22:04] <mfaroukg> the problem it freezes whenever shows the ubuntu logo then it stops
[22:05] <penguin42> mfaroukg: And what was the last version that works?
[22:05] <mfaroukg> should I restart to get the versions?or there is a way to get them now?
[22:06] <penguin42> mfaroukg: Well what did you do between it working and it stopping?
[22:06] <trism> Jordan_U: yeah sorry, I meant the warnings, not the errors you see
[22:06] <wolter> ikonia, based on that, very few linux users know the basics of the system they use, and therefore, "they shouldn't use linux"
[22:06] <wolter> nice way of supporting your OS, ikonia
[22:06] <ikonia> wolter: they are not trying to use a development version
[22:06] <penguin42> mfaroukg: Is this before/after upgrade to Maverick or was it working after the upgrade to Maverick?
[22:06] <mfaroukg> penguin42: I did nothing when it is loading
[22:06] <TDJACR> !locales > TDJACR
[22:07] <wolter> ikonia, ok, and how does partitioning differ on a development version from a normal release?
[22:07] <wolter> i'm curious
[22:07] <ikonia> wolter: the overall concepts don't differ, the tools normally don't differ, but can when things change, just as ext4 coming in, or different versions of the tools
[22:07] <Jordan_U> trism: Np, your explanation gives me one less thing to worry about :)
[22:08] <mfaroukg> I was using the 9.10 then decided to upgrade through the upgrade manager, I found two versions of 10.10. by default it tries the latest but not working . I moved to the older and it works
[22:08] <penguin42> mfaroukg: OK, as it's booting hit the left shift key just as it comes out of the bios and you should get a grub menu that lets you edit the boot lines, you can select an older kernel and see if it helps; or you could try editing the boot line to remove the quiet and nosplash parameters off the end which might give mor einformation about what went wrong
[22:08] <wolter> the questions i've asked so far are independent from which filesystem i will be using
[22:08] <penguin42> mfaroukg: If you have the older one running can you just tell us the answer to   uname -a
[22:08] <ikonia> wolter: you asked which file system you should use, that's not independant, and the position on the disk doesn't matter
[22:09] <ikonia> wolter: and as I said, if your using a development version you should understand the basics to get around any bugs that are in it, or report them back clearly
[22:09] <ikonia> as 10.10 is not actually supported
[22:09] <mfaroukg> penguin42: Linux zkw01-1157 2.6.32-25-generic #44-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 17 20:26:08 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:09] <wolter> ikonia, i can report bugs, that doesn't relate to my knowledge on partitioning
[22:09] <penguin42> mfaroukg: OK, so 2.6.32-x is from Lucid
[22:10] <bullgard4_> '~$ env; SHLVL=2'. System Information > Environment Variables: SHLVL=1. How to explain this defference?
[22:10] <wolter> and yes, which filesystem to use was my only question related to the filesystems topic
[22:10] <ikonia> wolter: your not asking about partitioning, your asking about how to use the tools and what file systems you should use, that shows your not aware of the current distro
[22:10] <penguin42> mfaroukg: So I think you are saying the Lucid (10.04) kernel works but the new Maverick (10.10) one doesn't?
[22:10] <wolter> you could do a little less trolling
[22:10] <bullgard4_> s/defference/difference/
[22:10] <Ken8521> lol
[22:10] <Jordan_U> wolter: ikonia: I think it's safe to say that this conversation is no longer productive :)
[22:10] <mfaroukg> penguin42: it seems so !!
[22:10] <wolter> Jordan_U, agree
[22:10] <ikonia> wolter: I'm not trolling at all, if I was I'd be making up facts rather than advising someone who's not confident with Linux basics to not use a development vesion
[22:11] <wolter> ikonia, your taking the conversation to a pointless direction
[22:11]  * Ken8521 thinks ikonia's speech sounds familiar..
[22:11] <wolter> thats how you are trolling, feel free to assist me not anymore
[22:11] <penguin42> mfaroukg: OK, so boot, select the new kernel and then edit off the nosplash and quiet and see if it tells us any more
[22:11] <ikonia> wolter: ok, so there you go then, 10.10 isn't actually supported, so good luck using it
[22:12] <wolter> thank you very much, I appreciate your very honest luck wishes
[22:12] <ikonia> wolter: they are
[22:12] <wolter> I didn't say they weren't
[22:13] <mfaroukg> penguin42: please make clear about your request. I understood that I should press shift key till grub menu appears!!
[22:14] <penguin42> mfaroukg: OK, so when the menu comes up hit 'e' to edit and it should show a load of detail about the boot
[22:15] <mfaroukg> right I will come back later... thanks
[22:15] <penguin42> mfaroukg: Then use the error keys to scroll down to the line that starts with linux, move to the end of the line and delte the words quiet and splash, then hit ctrl-x to boot; it will probably still stop but it might give some debug as to why - and if it does and you can tell us what that debug is it might help us
[22:15] <penguin42> mfaroukg: a screen picture would work if it's the easiest way
[22:17] <Jordan_U> mfaroukg: You can also just select the "recovery mode" entry which will disable the splash screen.
[22:17] <penguin42> oh that might have been easier :-)
[22:32] <mfaroukg> penguin42: there is lots of commands appearing and last one I could catch is ...scripts/init-bottom, then it flashes and fast commands appears and disappears faster
[22:33] <penguin42> mfaroukg: Does it eventually stop?
[22:33] <mfaroukg> penguin42: yes it stops
[22:34] <mfaroukg> penguin42: BTW I choose 2.6.31-22 instead of 2.6.32-25
[22:35] <mfaroukg> penguin42: 2.6.32-25 is the one which it stops
[22:36] <yofel> mfaroukg: those are lucid kernels, what happens with 35?
[22:37] <mfaroukg> yofel: can see any !!
[22:38] <penguin42> mfaroukg: Did you up date to Maverick or not?
[22:40] <mfaroukg> penguin42: I knew from the my friend that 32 is the 10.10 version. I got that update from the update manager and was telling 10.04.1 is the one should upgrade to
[22:43] <penguin42> mfaroukg: No, .32 is 10.04, 0.35 is the 10.10
[22:44] <mfaroukg> penguin42: how wan I upgrade? shall I download the CD from the ubuntu.com ?
[22:45] <penguin42> mfaroukg: Well you can run update-manager -d and it will download the updates
[22:48] <mfaroukg> penguin42: doning now ... thanks a lot
[22:50]  * Jordan_U wonders if he should just go ahead with a real upgrade despite the errors.
[22:50] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: go for it!
[22:50] <IdleOne> no guts, no glory.
[22:51] <IdleOne> and all that jazz
[22:53] <Belial`> is update manager notifying anyone else of updates?
[22:53] <Belial`> i have to actually check it to see if there is any available.
[22:53] <Belial`> and it is set to notify me.
[22:53] <Belial`> i was wondering if it was just a bug in the beta/rc.
[23:16] <kpoman> hi
[23:16] <kpoman> guys i am trying to install 10.10 but it fails, ubiquity does core dump (bus error)
[23:16] <kpoman> anyone any ideas ?
[23:16] <kpoman> I just downloaded the RC yesterday
[23:17] <BUGabundo> kpoman: did you check the MD5 ?
[23:17] <kpoman> BUGabundo: i didnt but the desktop just ran fine , i am writing from it
[23:17] <kpoman> it boots fine
[23:17] <BUGabundo> but I can have a corrupt pacakge
[23:18] <kpoman> it just goes livecd without installing, and the ubiquity fails. see here: http://pastebin.com/mgEXwDfD
[23:20] <kpoman> BUGabundo: it couldnt be a file corruption ...
[23:20] <kpoman> seems more like a bug on the RC
[23:21] <kpoman> is there a way I can update, from the livecd session, the hard disk installer utility ? I dont have connexion to redownload 700 megs
[23:22] <BUGabundo> you can use rsync/zsync to get only the changes to the ISO
[23:22] <penguin42> kpoman: When it bus errors do a dmesg and see if there are any errors
[23:22] <BUGabundo> or you can update the Live System you have running, assuming you have enough RAM
[23:23] <BUGabundo> !rsync
[23:23] <penguin42> goes around the house trying other machines
[23:24] <kpoman> penguin42: last lines have this: http://pastebin.com/VXpS3SRx
[23:24] <penguin42> kpoman: Can you go a bit further back up? It almost looks like it failed to read a block off the disk
[23:24] <kpoman> BUGabundo: I know rsync ( i am a gentoo user =P )
[23:24] <penguin42> kpoman: We can fix that
[23:24] <BUGabundo> well, zsync
[23:25] <kpoman> BUGabundo: but how would I update anything here ? I am on a livecd (readonly)
[23:25] <kpoman> penguin42: help ! what do you mean ? :)
[23:25] <penguin42> kpoman: Can you do dmesg|grep sr0
[23:26] <penguin42> kpoman: For example on the ancient laptop I've just tried it get s a load of those squashfs errors, but a page of so before is a '[sr0] Sense Key: Medium Error [current]  which meant it failed to read the CD
[23:26] <kpoman> penguin42: result is here: http://pastebin.com/bcprZEaL
[23:26] <kpoman> penguin42: do you think I need to burn the CD slower ?
[23:26] <kpoman> :(
[23:27] <kpoman> like that lame windows thing ? :p
[23:27] <penguin42> kpoman: Something like that; I mean this CD worked in one machine but not this ancient one
[23:28] <kpoman> penguin42: can i reburn the cd from where I am now running without killing this session ?
[23:28] <penguin42> reburn the CD you're running off?!!!!
[23:28]  * penguin42 adds another !
[23:28] <kpoman> yep
[23:28] <penguin42> no; it needs it
[23:28] <kpoman> I only have this cdrw thing :p
[23:28] <kpoman> lol
[23:28] <penguin42> kpoman: Do you have a thumb drive and can your  machine boot from one?
[23:29] <kpoman> penguin42: the machine can yes, i have a 8g usb drive
[23:29] <kpoman> thinkpad t60p
[23:29] <penguin42> kpoman: That's the easiest way, gets around all this tedious spinning media stuff
[23:29] <kpoman> how do i create a bootable usb from THIS SESSION lol
[23:29] <kpoman> dont wanna reboot
[23:30] <penguin42> kpoman: Well your problem is that we know that it can't read that CD so it's probably a bad idea to base a thumb drive on it
[23:30] <kpoman> I mean a bootable usb from the iso and the thumb drive ?
[23:30] <penguin42> kpoman: How much ram have you got?
[23:30] <kpoman> penguin42: the cd is bad, but the iso is probably good
[23:30] <kpoman> 2GB
[23:30] <kpoman> and i do have the iso on an external hard drive right now available
[23:30] <penguin42> ah!
[23:31] <penguin42> kpoman: OK, then you have a chance, go to System->Administration->Startup disk creator
[23:31] <penguin42> kpoman: It does rely on it being able to read those bits of the CD though
[23:31] <kpoman> let me see
[23:31] <kpoman> (btw, everything worked except that installer thing)
[23:32] <penguin42> kpoman: Yeh it depends, if you are lucky then that's the only bad sector
[23:32] <kpoman> penguin42: is there any tool like unetbootin ? to create a liveusb from the iso ?
[23:33] <penguin42> kpoman: That's what the startup disk creator does - not sure what's underneath it
[23:33] <BUGabundo> http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20101001/creative_infographics_36.jpg
[23:33] <kpoman> ok, it is with errors too
[23:34] <kpoman> it doesnt run the tool :o
[23:34] <kpoman> i guess i will need to reboot, reburn the thing
[23:34] <kpoman> :( too bad :(
[23:34] <kpoman> ok let me reboot brb (in a few minutes after reburn at 1x :( )
[23:35] <Jordan_U> kpoman: It's fairly easy to get the iso file booting with grub2.
[23:35] <Jordan_U> Especially now that 10.10 is shipping a loopback.cfg
[23:35] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Pretty, not sure I understand why all the lines aren't the same length
[23:35] <Jordan_U> kpoman: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Loopback.cfg#How_do_you_use_a_loopback.cfg_to_boot_an_iso.3F
[23:35] <kpoman> Jordan_U: I think i'll try to reburn then if necessary burn to thumb
[23:36] <kpoman> Jordan_U: thanks for the hint ! however I think that booting a second iso from a running environment will conflict the devfs or whatever in using the devices to install
[23:37] <kpoman> Ill try rebooting
[23:37] <Belial`> anyone else having a problem with update manager not notifying of available updates?
[23:37] <kpoman> brb
[23:39] <kpoman> hi back !
[23:39] <kpoman> in windows
[23:39] <kpoman> :(
[23:40] <penguin42> :-(
[23:40] <penguin42> kpoman: I believe you can write ISOs to thumb drives from Windows, not sure of the magic
[23:40] <kpoman> unetbootin is the magic
[23:40] <kpoman> (great software)
[23:41] <kpoman> it is creating right now the bootable usb from the iso
[23:44] <kpoman> ok finished !
[23:45] <kpoman> let me test this, will boot the pendrive now
[23:56] <donri> Successfully updated to Maverick.
[23:56] <penguin42> donri: Welcome to the club!
[23:56] <donri> only issue discovered thus far is $TERM is "dumb" in tilda
[23:56] <donri> Making clear/^L not work
[23:57] <donri> I wonder how evil it would be to export TERM=xterm in bashrc
[23:57] <penguin42> I'm fairly sure I've seen a bug for the tilda one
[23:58] <penguin42> donri: Not too bad; it might screw up in something odd if you're ssh'd in and might lose a few features
[23:58] <donri> Wait what, gedit is still 2.30 !?