[02:16] <phillw> hiyas good people, sorry to be back in nagging / asking. I'd like to create #lubuntu-chat to be a seperate room from #lubuntu which is our support channel, could someone point me to the directions to do so?
[02:25] <pleia2> phillw: typically the social channels are named #*buntu-offtopic
[02:25] <pleia2> rather than -chat
[02:25] <pleia2> but you go about it with /msg chanserv help register
[02:25] <pleia2> :)
[02:25] <phillw> hiyas pleia2 :-D  can I create #lubuntu-offtopic then ?
[02:25] <pleia2> go for it
[02:27] <phillw> pleia2: The channel #lubuntu-offtopic must exist in order to register it.   :'(
[02:28] <pleia2> phillw: you have to join it first :)
[02:28] <pleia2> joining it creates the channel, then you register it to keep it around
[02:29] <phillw> ahh..... thanks... I'm not into IRC admin stuff ;-)
[02:29] <pleia2> sure thing
[02:29] <pleia2> might want to recruit some lubuntu folks who know more about IRC to help you admin the channel though, hopefully some of them can walk you through adding additional ops and things
[02:30] <pleia2> (we could help, of course, but best to have some clueful folks on the access list)
[02:30] <bazhang> and get ircc approval
[02:31] <pleia2> you need ircc approval to make new channels now?
[02:31] <bazhang> namespace ones?
[02:31] <phillw> pleia2: dropping #lubuntu-offtopic and using ##lubuntu-offtopic instead. ????
[02:31] <pleia2> bazhang: I've never gotten permission :\
[02:31] <pleia2> I didn't think we needed it, I thought the ircc only got involved if there was a problem
[02:32] <bazhang> better check with the ircc and #lubuntu folks
[02:32] <pleia2> phillw is a #lubuntu folk :)
[02:32] <pleia2> he's one of the channel ops
[02:32] <phillw> pleia2: I'm an OP on #lubuntu, just not a founder - do I need to get a founder to create the room
[02:32] <phillw> ?
[02:33] <pleia2> phillw: anyone can be a founder, might just want to run it by hyperair to be sure it's ok
[02:33] <bazhang> should be okay then
[02:33] <pleia2> but I don't see a problem
[02:33] <bazhang> best to follow the niceties
[02:34] <phillw> I hate having to nag hyperair all the time; I got him to add the irc people on last night as emergency ops.... :-(
[02:35] <pleia2> well, as long as the lubuntu team wants a chat channel I don't see a problem with moving forward
[02:35] <pleia2> it can always be reversed if there is a problem
[02:35] <phillw> documentation and room / bots / logging bots / etc was allocated to me. But........ I will go peck him for "official approval" .... ::sigh::
[02:36] <pleia2> sounds like it's fine for you to handle it :)
[02:36] <phillw> pleia2: if hyperair or gilir ever had a problem, I'd get my ass spanked in public ;)
[02:37] <pleia2> hah
[02:37] <pleia2> how is lubuntu doing anyway?
[02:39] <phillw> we're on the beta2, it's going well. canonical have now admitted that they do not have a method for adopting a new member and are going to write one up. This is one of the reasons I'm scurrying around behind the scenes getting the docs moved over, log bots installed etc.
[02:39] <pleia2> nice
[02:40] <phillw> I'd like to put on record in here that the amount of help you all have given this young project is way beyond your call of duty.
[03:16] <nhandler> #lubuntu currently is not part of the Ubuntu namespace. So really, the IRCC currently has no control/say about those channels. But best practice is to get the ACK from the founder of #foo before creating #foo-bar
[03:20] <phillw> nhandler: as well you, and everyone else who knows me, I'm deeply involved in lubuntu. But, I will go pester hyperair..... :sigh::.
[04:49] <AndrewMC> did the factoid !hi get pulled?
[04:49] <AndrewMC> and ones like it
[04:50] <rww> AndrewMC: !hi did, yes
[04:50] <AndrewMC> oh ok
[04:50] <AndrewMC> abuse?
[04:50] <rww> yup
[04:50]  * AndrewMC sighs
[04:51] <hyperair> hello. can i request that #lubuntu-offtopic be populated with the same bots that populates #lubuntu?
[04:52] <hyperair> i believe phillw requested for it, but was told that he needs the +f flag on #lubuntu or something?
[04:53] <rww> jussi: request for addition of ubot5 to #lubuntu-offtopic ^^^
[04:54] <hyperair> and by the way, i've just given phillw full founder access over #lubuntu. i believe he deserves it, for all he's done in #lubuntu.
[04:55] <rww> hyperair: The person in charge of ubot5 lives in Europe, so it'll probably be a while before they get that message. The other bot in #lubuntu is ubuntulog; 1) offtopic channels aren't generally logged, 2) you'd have to email rt@ubuntu.com if you did want it to be.
[04:56] <rww> (since ubuntulog is controlled by Canonical)
[04:56] <hyperair> alright. i think ubot5 will do for the time being.
[04:57] <hyperair> i'll ask phillw if he wants it logged.
[04:57] <Mohan_chml> hyperair: Offtopic is not to get logged
[04:58] <hyperair> well that's fine then.
[04:58] <hyperair> hi Mohan_chml =)
[04:58] <Mohan_chml> hey hyperair (:
[05:01] <hyperair> that was a test, heh.
[05:02] <Mohan_chml> lol
[10:03] <sbc> Hey everyone. I'm having problems connecting to irc.ubuntu.com, but have no problem connecting to irc.freenode. Is this a known issue, or is it some sort of problem in my end? It seems to have appeared within the last couple of days.
[10:05] <rww> sbc: theoretically, you shouldn't. irc.ubuntu.com points to the same IP addresses as chat.freenode.net
[10:05] <rww> any useful error messages?
[10:06] <sbc> rww: From my xchat:
[10:06] <sbc>  Looking up irc.ubuntu.com..
[10:06] <sbc>  Connecting to irc.ubuntu.com (85.94.204.146) port 6667..
[10:06] <sbc>  Connection failed. Error: Connection refused
[10:06] <sbc> Looking up irc.freenode.net..
[10:06] <sbc>  Connecting to chat.freenode.net (213.232.93.3) port 6667..
[10:06] <sbc>  Connected. Now logging in..
[10:07] <rww> sbc: run "dig irc.ubuntu.com" in the terminal, copy the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com/, link the page it creates here.
[10:08] <sbc> rww: http://paste.ubuntu.com/504985/
[10:12] <rww> sbc: odd. the correct output looks something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/504986/
[10:14] <sbc> rww: strange. Well, my problem is solved now by using irc.freenode. But it would be nice to know if it is something strange with my setup or isp, or if there is some general problem somewhere...
[10:14] <sbc> rww: Thanks though.
[10:15] <rww> sbc: according to Google, you're not the only one. I haven't found any reasons why yet, though.
[14:10] <bilalakhtar> How do I become an op for #ubuntu-release-party?
[14:12] <bilalakhtar> garr, have to go now, sorry
[14:53] <phillw> hiyas everyone, the irc staffers have op access to #lubuntu-offtopic, I've included the TOS in the topic.
[15:50] <nhandler> phillw: *!*@freenode/staff/* is freenode staff, nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[16:02] <phillw> nhandler: that's what I thought I had done, the +votiA flag bit? If you give me the command, I'l try again
[21:01] <IdleOne> any ubuntu-ru ops around?
[21:05] <guntbert> IdleOne: I don't see him on the ban list - maybe he tries ubuntu-ru instead of #ubuntu-ru?
[21:05] <IdleOne> maybe
[21:08] <guntbert> IdleOne: did you forget to deop?
[21:08] <IdleOne> I did :)
[21:09] <IdleOne> thank you
[21:09] <IdleOne> next time you should just op yourself and kick me :)
[21:10] <marienz> 1/80
[21:10] <marienz> err
[21:10] <guntbert> IdleOne: cannot :-)
[21:10] <IdleOne> guntbert: something that needs to be remedied :)
[21:10]  * IdleOne votes for guntbert to be core channel op
[21:11] <guntbert> IdleOne: thx, but I won't apply - nice of you though :-)
[21:11] <IdleOne> haha, smart of you
[21:12] <IdleOne> I think a few trusted half-ops would be good
[21:13] <IdleOne> ability to ask a bot to remove/quiet, that sort of thing
[21:18] <guntbert> IdleOne: hm... I for myself wouldn't want that either - and regarding how hard it sometimes is to find agreement between (few) ops  imagine how that would be between (more) half-ops