| shadeslayer_ | lol... that didnt fix it either ^_^ | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| shadeslayer_ | now im in a xterm... and X keeps throwing me back to gdm.. | 00:01 |
| shadeslayer_ | cant even boot neon | 00:01 |
| shadeslayer_ | lex79: this is fun :P | 00:01 |
| lex79 | something is screw up in your installation, not in the packages I think | 00:02 |
| shadeslayer_ | yeah i think so too | 00:02 |
| shadeslayer_ | ( this is why i have kde svn :/ ) | 00:03 |
| shadeslayer_ | *hate | 00:03 |
| shadeslayer_ | hold on... | 00:03 |
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| shadeslayer_ | lex79: im sleeping.. too tired, will look into this tmmrw | 00:18 |
| lex79 | shadeslayer_: good night | 00:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | ciao people... | 00:19 |
| lex79 | lol | 00:21 |
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| === superfly__ is now known as superfly | ||
| ScottK | maco: The version string for Gally is still version = "0.5rc3" | 06:06 |
| ScottK | Do you want me to accept it anyway? | 06:06 |
| maco | oh fudgey fudge | 06:06 |
| maco | no | 06:06 |
| * maco fixes | 06:07 | |
| ScottK | maco: Rejected. You can use the same version number over again. You also might want to clean up some of the commented out code that's left in. | 06:08 |
| ScottK | Stuff like # print foo does not inspire confidence for a final release. | 06:09 |
| maco | they're gonna be useful prints for when i do the stuff planned for the next one :( | 06:10 |
| ScottK | OK. | 06:10 |
| * ScottK is off to bed. | 06:10 | |
| maco | night night | 06:10 |
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| === KRF_ is now known as KRF | ||
| tim | hi, is there any plan to ship any of the kdevelop4 plugins (from kdevelop4-extra-plugins)? | 09:39 |
| === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter | ||
| Mamarok | tim: more plugins? There already are like 15 | 10:13 |
| Riddell | I don't think I've heard of kdevelop4-extra-plugins | 10:14 |
| tim | Mamarok, then how to install them? i cannot find any ... maybe i am missing a specific source/ppa? | 10:16 |
| tim | Riddell, e.g. a qmake plugin is supposed to be in there | 10:17 |
| Mamarok | tim: just install kdevelop? I have version 4.1 one here | 10:17 |
| Mamarok | or use qtcreator | 10:18 |
| tim | i'm running kdevelop from the 10.10 beta. no 4.1 in there ... | 10:18 |
| tim | Mamarok, why shall i switch to a completely different ide? | 10:19 |
| Mamarok | just a suggestion | 10:19 |
| Riddell | kdevelop beta is in this PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta | 10:20 |
| * Mamarok likes Qtcreator better, less crammed | 10:20 | |
| tim | Riddell, thnx ... no qmake support, but finally with a git plugin! | 10:35 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu got a free ticket to Qt dev days if anyone wants to go | 10:56 |
| Riddell | http://qt.nokia.com/qtdevdays2010 | 10:56 |
| Riddell | not pretty but it'll have to do http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/280 | 11:54 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: best kubuntu release eva!!! | 12:01 |
| * shadeslayer reinstalled | 12:02 | |
| shadeslayer | best thing right now is kpk | 12:02 |
| shadeslayer | danti is to thank for that.. <3 the fact that it says : Click Below to start application | 12:02 |
| markey | some process crashes for me frequently | 12:02 |
| markey | "npviewer" or somesuch | 12:02 |
| markey | what is that? | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | markey: eww... flash i think | 12:03 |
| markey | didn't happen with Lucid | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | 64 bit? | 12:03 |
| markey | yes | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | try out the new 64 bit flash from adobe | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | maybe it helps | 12:03 |
| markey | good idea | 12:03 |
| markey | is there a package for it already? | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | IIRC they have debs | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | no.. tarballs | 12:04 |
| shadeslayer | http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer_square_p2_64bit_linux_092710.tar.gz | 12:05 |
| cortex_sk | markey: try ppa:sevenmachines/flash | 12:05 |
| * shadeslayer tries out jockey-kde | 12:05 | |
| markey | cortex_sk: thx | 12:05 |
| Riddell | rdieter: something up with your pykde packages? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253219 | 12:35 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 253219 in general "Crash after click on "Printer Configuration"" [Crash,Unconfirmed] | 12:35 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: erm.. no update icon for kpk .. http://imagebin.ca/view/5wf7WeMF.html | 12:40 |
| Riddell | I have an update for that here | 12:41 |
| Riddell | bit of a scary diff though | 12:41 |
| Riddell | dantii also said he had a patch for aptcc but haven't heard anything since | 12:42 |
| shadeslayer | yeah under details, while downloading updates,some of the entries are duplicated | 12:44 |
| * shadeslayer has alot of downloading to do today | 12:45 | |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: also, mtux has requested that the application name be changed to kubuntu-choqok | 12:49 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: too late I'm afraid | 12:50 |
| Riddell | for maverick | 12:50 |
| Riddell | could be in lucid I guess | 12:50 |
| shadeslayer | uh... no i mean.. in dev.twitter.com | 12:50 |
| shadeslayer | that can be changed at any time | 12:50 |
| Riddell | oh right | 12:51 |
| Riddell | what is it currently? | 12:51 |
| shadeslayer | Kubuntu Microblogging client | 12:51 |
| Riddell | so change to "Kubuntu Choqok microblogging client" ? | 12:51 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 12:51 |
| Riddell | that's fine | 12:51 |
| shadeslayer | ok, changing | 12:53 |
| shadeslayer | Key is too long (maximum 32 characters) : heh | 12:53 |
| Riddell | drop the "client" ? | 12:54 |
| shadeslayer | done | 12:56 |
| Riddell | lex79: added your oxygen fix to kde svn trunk and branch | 13:06 |
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| Riddell | dantti: who did you vote for? | 13:28 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did you have someone lined up to review pulseaudio? I'm afraid that one is beyond me. | 13:41 |
| Riddell | was hoping for crimsun of themuso to do it, luke will he asleep by now so I guess we wait for daniel to wake up | 13:42 |
| ScottK | OK. Hopefully he'll have internet today. | 13:42 |
| ScottK | Workspace looks fine and I supposed the sooner it starts building the better. | 13:42 |
| Riddell | the only other update I have in view is the qt patches for gtk theme. but I couldn't spot any difference, I haven't heard back from the ayatana person who requested it and I'd say it's too late anyway now given how long that takes to build on arm | 13:45 |
| Riddell | so I think we're all set for release | 13:45 |
| ScottK | I think it's definitely too late for another Qt upload. | 13:49 |
| ScottK | I still have some release notes tasks to write. | 13:49 |
| shadeslayer | dantti: im in love with this : http://imagebin.ca/view/7QNtOR.html | 13:55 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://pastebin.com/ydv7kFWv | 14:06 |
| shadeslayer | that doesnt look right | 14:06 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: whatever have you done? | 14:18 |
| shadeslayer | sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade :D | 14:19 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: What happens if you just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: thats already installed | 14:21 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: I understand that. | 14:21 |
| ScottK | That should try to upgrade it. | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | nope : http://pastebin.com/d1qxjC1X | 14:22 |
| ScottK | sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && apt-get install kubuntu-destkop | 14:23 |
| ScottK | (spelled better though) | 14:23 |
| * txwikinger did an upgrade to maverick on netbook | 14:23 | |
| txwikinger | I found two issues | 14:24 |
| txwikinger | I got lots of warning about some gtk icon cache not found | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | installed fine | 14:24 |
| txwikinger | and all the favorites on the search and launch page disappeared | 14:24 |
| txwikinger | otherwise it seems fine so far | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | i think apt-get just went on a anti-KDE rampage :P | 14:26 |
| debfx | shadeslayer: use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade if it tries to remove packages you want to keep | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: http://pastebin.com/FsaWtfib | 14:27 |
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| shadeslayer | something isnt right | 14:32 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: archive skew I guess, kdebase-workspace isn't building on amd64 | 14:32 |
| Riddell | although my 64 bit computer here is ok | 14:32 |
| shadeslayer | ah ... | 14:32 |
| shadeslayer | err.. im on main archives | 14:32 |
| debfx | I guess kdelibs5-data just hasn't been pushed to the archive yet | 14:33 |
| shadeslayer | yeah i think so | 14:35 |
| shadeslayer | Candidate: 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu6 | 14:36 |
| oxymoron | wtf, when doing upgrade kpackagekit want to remove all apps i have like konversation, amarok, quassel, rekonq and so oon? | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | oxymoron: yeah kdelibs5-data is not in archive yet | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | dont upgrade yet | 15:09 |
| oxymoron | shadeslayer: and then everything is removed if trying to upgrade, erh? | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | yus | 15:09 |
| oxymoron | makes no sense | 15:10 |
| shadeslayer | the new packages need kdelibs5-data i think | 15:10 |
| oxymoron | shadeslayer: what upgrades is it btw? | 15:10 |
| shadeslayer | oxymoron: http://pastebin.com/ydv7kFWv | 15:10 |
| oxymoron | yes needs it but i dont understand why it should delete old packages | 15:11 |
| shadeslayer | dunno .. | 15:11 |
| oxymoron | BA>D dependecies | 15:11 |
| oxymoron | personally i think debian structure and dependecies should be reconstructed to something more solid | 15:12 |
| oxymoron | sometimes it installs packages which break other ones | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | oxymoron: fixed in main archives now | 15:13 |
| oxymoron | and removes packages sometimes if not needed too | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | http://pastebin.com/25a4GVs3 | 15:13 |
| oxymoron | doesnt work for me yet | 15:14 |
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| oxymoron | maverick rc 1 | 15:14 |
| oxymoron | main mirror server | 15:14 |
| shadeslayer | oxymoron: just keep updating :P | 15:16 |
| txwikinger | Riddell: where do we report the RC bugs? | 15:18 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: launchpad.net | 15:18 |
| Riddell | ah, nixternal_ | 15:18 |
| Riddell | do you know how to extract and package translations for kubuntu docs? | 15:18 |
| txwikinger | just like bugs in released versions? | 15:19 |
| Riddell | well it is a released version, we released it last week | 15:19 |
| txwikinger | :) | 15:20 |
| oxymoron | shadeslayer: same prob still | 15:25 |
| shadeslayer | :S | 15:25 |
| shadeslayer | oxymoron: apt-cache policy kdelibs5-data | 15:25 |
| oxymoron | http://pastebin.com/Xn6Vx2CT | 15:26 |
| oxymoron | shadeslayer: | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | ah see.. you need 0ubuntu7 | 15:27 |
| oxymoron | shadeslayer: Alright, I cannot get it then xD | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 15:29 |
| === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal | ||
| lex79 | Riddell: Colin said install sound-theme-freedesktop package to have sound in speakers setup, I will tryjust for fun since it's in Universe | 15:52 |
| === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter | ||
| dantti_work | Riddell: do you know why the chromiun changelog dir is very different from the package version? URI: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium-browser_6.0.472.63~r59945-0ubuntu2/changelog | 16:26 |
| dantti_work | this is the uri I'm trying to fetch, which does not exist | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | dantti_work: cant open that URL | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 16:26 |
| dantti_work | shadeslayer: the path is wrong but I can't get why | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | one sec | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium-browser_6.0.472.62~r59676-0ubuntu0.10.04.1/changelog | 16:27 |
| dantti_work | here you cann se that the version is wrong http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/ | 16:27 |
| dantti_work | yes I see that, but it's a bit of nonsense | 16:27 |
| dantti_work | the code in aptcc is pretty much of synaptics and it works ... | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | 6.0.472.62~r59676-0ubuntu0.10.04.1 | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | ^ wth version | 16:28 |
| dantti_work | dunno how the 62... version appeared | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | its corrected in maverick tho | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer | dantti_work: i dont see a changelog for maverick versions | 16:29 |
| dantti_work | my code works for several packages, but wine, chromiun & friends fail | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | dantti_work: what do you use for the Box that shows the downloading packages? | 16:39 |
| shadeslayer | i want to replicate that in my zsync code | 16:39 |
| shadeslayer | s/zsync/qzsync | 16:39 |
| shadeslayer | ( the part where you click details and it shows the packages being downloaded ) | 16:39 |
| dantti_work | shadeslayer: it's a custom delegate | 16:42 |
| shadeslayer | delegate? | 16:43 |
| dantti_work | QStyledItemDelegate, how do you display your data currently? | 16:43 |
| dantti_work | iirc apachelogger said that your qzsync didn't use model/view | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | dantti_work: currently i dont display any info | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | because i have no idea about those :) | 16:44 |
| dantti_work | shadeslayer: hmm i guess you should read some model/view docs | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | i was thinking of using QPlainTextEdit | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | but it comes with it own set of issues :P | 16:45 |
| dantti_work | well that will work too | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 16:45 |
| dantti_work | can your data be mapped to items? | 16:46 |
| shadeslayer | i have to draw the QPlainTextEdit before the process starts and connect readyRead to it | 16:46 |
| shadeslayer | dantti_work: http://gitorious.org/qzsync | 16:46 |
| shadeslayer | i think yes... | 16:46 |
| dantti_work | then I guess you could use model/view | 16:46 |
| shadeslayer | ok ill read up on that | 16:47 |
| dantti_work | shadeslayer: QStandardItemModel is the easiest start imo | 16:53 |
| shadeslayer | ok ... ill start with that.. right after i get dev packages installed | 16:53 |
| Riddell | 15:35 < seb128> Riddell, Cimi: btw I can confirm that the qt update in maverick fixes the light themes issues | 17:09 |
| Riddell | sigh | 17:09 |
| ScottK | Sounds like a zero day SRU target | 17:12 |
| larsivi | uhm, upgraded the beta today, and got tiny-tiny fonts in some apps (Quassel, Akregator - not KMail) | 17:23 |
| larsivi | adjusting font size in e.g. Akregator does not appear to help | 17:24 |
| larsivi | or rather, it helps, but not where I expected it to help | 17:25 |
| Riddell | what's in system settings -> appearance -> fonts ? | 17:25 |
| larsivi | Riddell: IIRC, the same as always - haven't touched the settings in ages | 17:28 |
| Riddell | which is what? | 17:28 |
| larsivi | I've always used small fonts (8 and 9) and 96 PPT | 17:29 |
| larsivi | What I noticed in the Akregator settings, was that small font was set to 6 | 17:29 |
| larsivi | and that is what it looks like | 17:29 |
| larsivi | this size is also used in the panel | 17:29 |
| shadeslayer | bulldog98: new kdelibs in ktown | 17:33 |
| larsivi | I tried switching to 120 PPT, but that is definately larger than what I had, so something has changed somewhere | 17:34 |
| Riddell | hello will_shand | 17:49 |
| will_shand | hey, how you doing? | 17:50 |
| Riddell | good thanks | 17:52 |
| ScottK | larsivi: The new Ubuntu font does appear smaller than the old default. | 18:01 |
| larsivi | ScottK: this is intentional? | 18:02 |
| ScottK | I've no idea about the font design. | 18:02 |
| ScottK | We did bump the defaults up a point as a result, but if you've changed from the defaults, you're wouldn't have changed. | 18:03 |
| larsivi | ScottK: ok, thanks | 18:04 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: this post our discussion yesterday about the fonts looking squashed? | 18:07 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: No. Didn't change again. | 18:21 |
| shadeslayer | ohk | 18:21 |
| txwikinger | Haha.. I finally fixed Kubuntu | 18:29 |
| txwikinger | my desktop only runs qt apps anymore... all the gnome stuff jsut hangs | 18:29 |
| shadeslayer | txwikinger: lol | 18:35 |
| jussi | hehe | 18:36 |
| jussi | so, its confirmed. Im going to UDS! | 18:36 |
| txwikinger | well given that I need to use some non-qt stuff to do my work -- not funny | 18:36 |
| Riddell | jussi: yay | 18:36 |
| txwikinger | jussi: I registered to participate remotely | 18:36 |
| jussi | :) | 18:36 |
| * txwikinger has too much to do | 18:36 | |
| * shadeslayer just needs a visa ... | 18:37 | |
| shadeslayer | meta kde up | 18:37 |
| * txwikinger hopes upgrade to maverick will fix his problems | 18:40 | |
| shadeslayer | lex79: get working on 4.5.2 :P | 18:46 |
| lex79 | do it :P | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | im already doing it :D | 18:47 |
| lex79 | good :) | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | kdegraphics uploaded | 18:47 |
| lex79 | Riddell: users are confused about weekly updates, it should be daily or it shold be hidden I think | 18:48 |
| lex79 | http://imagebin.ca/view/QcJTr1X.html | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | oh man.. kdebindings ... | 18:55 |
| txwikinger | bah.. upgrade to maverick does not work.. some dependency cycle in x | 18:55 |
| shadeslayer | wait.. we need a new kdelibs upload first ... | 18:55 |
| shadeslayer | and kdebindings is still a FTBFS according to packager | 18:55 |
| Riddell | lex79: oh hmm, that should probably be patched out | 18:59 |
| trichard_ | hey, i just upgraded to Kubuntu 10.10RC and now ayatana powermanager shows up in my systemtray. Is this a known issue? | 19:00 |
| trichard_ | also, i now have both kbluetooth and bluedevil in my systray | 19:01 |
| Riddell | trichard_: how did you upgrade? | 19:03 |
| neversfelde | better safe than sorry :) | 19:03 |
| neversfelde | I had the same problem, but I forgot about it | 19:03 |
| neversfelde | I used sudo do-release-upgrade -d | 19:03 |
| trichard_ | Riddell: From kubuntu 10.04 using the method mentioned in the wiki | 19:03 |
| trichard_ | kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d" <== this one | 19:04 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: whats in cloud progress? :D | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | building on server ? | 19:05 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I'm exploring using Amazon EC2 | 19:06 |
| Riddell | trichard_: at the last step in the upgrade tool when it asks about packages to be removed, did you click "remove" or "keep"? | 19:06 |
| shadeslayer | hmm.. ive heard of that, dont know what it does tho | 19:06 |
| trichard_ | Riddell: If i remember correctly i clicked remove | 19:07 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: hiring a computer from Amazon to build it on | 19:07 |
| Riddell | or in this case, three | 19:07 |
| trichard_ | Riddell: Does 'Computer janitor' do the same thing? | 19:08 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: is there anything different from doing it on the cl? | 19:08 |
| Riddell | trichard_: same thing as what? | 19:08 |
| neversfelde | if not, I did remove the packages | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer | how much does it cost? | 19:08 |
| lex79 | Riddell: patch for what? for change to daily updates? | 19:08 |
| trichard_ | Riddell: As clicking remove, that way i could check if i did it | 19:08 |
| Riddell | trichard_, neversfelde: well we added a patch this afternoon to force removal of kbluetooth so i guess that won't be an issue in future | 19:09 |
| lex79 | thanks to me obviously | 19:09 |
| neversfelde | ah ok, I upgraded monday | 19:09 |
| lex79 | :P | 19:09 |
| neversfelde | lex79: thank you :) | 19:09 |
| lex79 | no problem :) | 19:09 |
| trichard_ | Riddell, lex79: Thanks ;) | 19:09 |
| neversfelde | but you were too late for me | 19:09 |
| trichard_ | what about ayatana? | 19:09 |
| Riddell | lex79: well I'm unsure what that drop down box changes, if it's something in apt or something in kpackagekit. but we already do updates through apt no? | 19:09 |
| Riddell | trichard_: I've not heard of ayatana powermanager | 19:10 |
| Riddell | trichard_: got a screenshot? | 19:10 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: did you upload the new tarball? | 19:10 |
| shadeslayer | for kdelibs | 19:10 |
| lex79 | we already do updates via apt, but users are confused...they say "what? wekkly update?" I want daily update!!! | 19:10 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: no | 19:11 |
| shadeslayer | ok ill upload it | 19:11 |
| Riddell | lex79: so I'm not sure what that drop down does | 19:11 |
| Riddell | we should ask dantti_work | 19:11 |
| lex79 | ok | 19:11 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: what should I be asked :P | 19:11 |
| lex79 | dantti_work: we need a patch to change "weekly" to "daily" update | 19:12 |
| lex79 | so users are happy | 19:12 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: what does the drop down box in kpackagekit control for check for updates? | 19:12 |
| lex79 | and they don't ask every time why we have weekly updates instead of daily | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: but cant the users change that themselves ? | 19:13 |
| trichard_ | Riddell: It's the gnome power manager thingie. http://imagebin.org/116980 | 19:13 |
| shadeslayer | i think weekly is good for people with low bandwidths | 19:13 |
| shadeslayer | think about them :P | 19:13 |
| Riddell | trichard_: weird | 19:14 |
| trichard_ | shadeslayer: Does it matter when they have to download the updates? They have to do it eventually. If they stack it up to a week it will only last longer (+ you can change it manually) | 19:14 |
| lex79 | shadeslayer: we do updates already trough apt, this is another matter | 19:14 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: that box is to "aptitude update" your list | 19:14 |
| Riddell | trichard_: what does this command give you? grep OnlyShow /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-power-manager.desktop | 19:14 |
| trichard_ | Riddell: OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE; | 19:15 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: but what runs that? does kpackagekit run it? | 19:15 |
| shadeslayer | trichard_: yes, 2 use cases : update your sources daily ( 15 MB * 6 = 90 MB ) and update your sources once a week ( 15MB ) | 19:15 |
| Riddell | trichard_: then it shouldn't start when you log into KDE | 19:15 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: whut... dont understand | 19:15 |
| trichard_ | Riddell: Any way to figure out what does start it then? | 19:16 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: yes, the kded module check when was the last time and run | 19:16 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: the information is stored in packagekit so if on user checks the updates, the other doesn't do that | 19:17 |
| dantti_work | also, in the future it will have an option to don't check when using a mobile internet | 19:17 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: since we already have that with /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic I think we don't want it in packagekit | 19:17 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: i think for the above use case it would be interesting | 19:18 |
| dantti_work | plus it's more user friendly imo | 19:18 |
| Riddell | yes, but for maverick we need a quick fix | 19:18 |
| Riddell | there is already a GUI in software-properties for it | 19:18 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: so you can hide the combo + we need to disable the checking | 19:20 |
| Riddell | yep | 19:21 |
| Riddell | where would we disable the checking in the code? | 19:21 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: I think the best place would be in kded, I'm finishing the changelog thing in aptcc (now parsing ubuntu+ lp bugs) | 19:22 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: then I can give you a hand on patching kded | 19:22 |
| dantti_work | + I'll do a release of kpk today... | 19:23 |
| trichard_ | Ohyeah, another minor inconvenience a noticed when i upgraded. My network manager was gone. Probably because knetworkmanager got replaced by the networkmanager plasmoid. But it would be nice to have a networkmanager plasmoid in the systray by default after upgrading i guess | 19:23 |
| txwikinger | Riddell: Is something wrong with the kubuntu packages for maverick? | 19:24 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: amd64 had issues | 19:25 |
| Riddell | trichard_: we used the plasmoid for the last release too so the upgrade logic would have been done then | 19:25 |
| * Riddell reminds the channel about the free devdays invite Kubuntu got | 19:27 | |
| txwikinger | Riddell: Ah.. ok.. I just caught those :D | 19:27 |
| txwikinger | devdays invite? | 19:27 |
| trichard_ | Riddell: Are you sure about that? My laptop still runs Kubuntu 10.04 (with KDE 4.5) and doesn't have the network plasmoid but knetworkmanager | 19:27 |
| Riddell | Qt Dev Days | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: amazong EC2 is free? | 19:29 |
| shadeslayer | *amazon | 19:29 |
| trichard_ | shadeslayer: No, you pay per hour a system is online | 19:29 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 19:30 |
| trichard_ | and for bandwith | 19:30 |
| shadeslayer | hmm.. which is better? Droid or the N900 ? | 19:31 |
| shadeslayer | i wonder if the droid can run maemo ... | 19:32 |
| trichard_ | Droid has more applications, N900 can run Qt apps :p | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | trichard_: thats what im looking into... can the droid/milestone run maemo | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | also.. N900 has FM radio AND transmitter :) | 19:33 |
| trichard_ | that's a cool feature for in the car :) (might be a little offtopic though :p) | 19:33 |
| shadeslayer | google time! :D | 19:34 |
| * Tscheesy is a happy n900 user | 19:34 | |
| trichard_ | strange, pstree shows that gnome-power-man is started directly by init and now by kde-init or any of those | 19:37 |
| * txwikinger needs to use gnome to get his work done :( | 19:37 | |
| trichard_ | now = not | 19:37 |
| shadeslayer | Tscheesy: is the resistive touchscreen difficult to use? ive used a nokia 5800 and its really bad ( come in #kubuntu-offtopic plz ) | 19:37 |
| Tscheesy | shadeslayer: its not too bad, quite exact - capazitive would be nicer | 19:38 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: btw, imo it would be better to hide the config in sw-properties, for example, a user that uses proxy, sets it on kde, kpackagekit works fine but it won't work with software-properties as far as i can tell | 19:38 |
| shadeslayer | Tscheesy: N900 or Droid? the more hackable phone | 19:39 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: well we still have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic installed by default so that would just remove a GUI for it | 19:39 |
| Tscheesy | shadeslayer: i'd say n900.. fore sure.. Droid needs the better HW.. n900 is a bit too weak for droid.. but who wants this? | 19:40 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: which we can change in future but not for maverick | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | Tscheesy: droid has the better hardware? | 19:40 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: well, i think both could coexist imo | 19:40 |
| dantti_work | it would check twice but, it would work for proxied users | 19:41 |
| trichard_ | My last issue is that my laptop won't upgrade to maverick. I've filed a bugreport here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/653498. I'm not sure if this is kubuntu specific though as i also have ubuntu-desktop installed | 19:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653498 in update-manager "dist-upgrade to kubuntu 10.10RC failed" [Undecided,New] | 19:41 |
| Tscheesy | shadeslayer: Android needs a snapdragon to run smootly afaik.. | 19:41 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: how? | 19:41 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 19:41 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: the way it is now, I could just send you the patch to check daily by default | 19:42 |
| trichard_ | Tscheesy: That's correct. I have a 'cheapass' HTC Click/Tattoo and it doesn't run smooth at all | 19:42 |
| lex79 | trichard_: did you have something installed from x swat ppa? | 19:42 |
| trichard_ | lex79: Yes, mplayer i think | 19:43 |
| trichard_ | lex79: Oops, newer nvidia drivers it seems | 19:44 |
| lex79 | trichard_: I know there is a bug open in launchpad about problems to upgrade if you have some packages installed from x swat ppa | 19:44 |
| lex79 | you have to downgrade the packages before to dist-upgrade to maverick | 19:44 |
| shadeslayer | Tscheesy: hmm... i like the fact that the droid has a bigger screen | 19:44 |
| trichard_ | lex79: Ok, thanks | 19:44 |
| lex79 | trichard_: bug 645064 | 19:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 645064 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "nvidia-current from Ubuntu-X-Swat PPA is blocking the upgrade from Lucid to Maverick" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645064 | 19:45 |
| Tscheesy | shadeslayer: i like the slider-kybd Radio-Transmitter, and.. (*pst* - nokia pc-suite) | 19:45 |
| * shadeslayer doesnt have Windows | 19:46 | |
| * Tscheesy @ work.. unfo | 19:46 | |
| Tscheesy | shadeslayer: as i read ... androids kernel can start another - so it shoul be easy to customate | 19:47 |
| shadeslayer | Tscheesy: yeah i can see alot of posts about N900 dual booting, nothing about Droid tho | 19:48 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: but then it wouldn't be in sync? | 19:49 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: yes, they might check for updates twice, or I can add a patch to atpcc to update the file that /etc/apt/...periodic reads | 19:51 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: I'm going home now, then I'll finish this changelog patch and discuss this, so that we finish these issues for mav | 19:53 |
| trichard_ | arg, after removing the packages from the x-swat ppa i still can't upgrade to 10.10. This time it seems to be kubuntu-desktop that bothers me | 20:24 |
| trichard_ | http://ubuntuone.com/p/IbD/ | 20:26 |
| Riddell | trichard_: what mirror are you using? | 20:29 |
| trichard_ | Riddell: It seems my desktop is reporting that it's holding packages back so there's probably nothing wrong anymore :) | 20:33 |
| txwikinger | Riddell: Is http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/b22aa94e-d6aa-4bf6-9ca3-323433838ebd/toronto_qt_training.html also for free ? | 20:34 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: no don't think so | 20:35 |
| * txwikinger does not want to travel to the US | 20:35 | |
| === txwikinger is now known as txwikinger_on_gn | ||
| === txwikinger_on_gn is now known as txwikinger | ||
| * txwikinger wonders how to fix his Kubuntu | 20:37 | |
| txwikinger | .. or I have to stay on Gnome until maverick works on AMD64 | 20:38 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: new kdelibs uploaded :) | 20:38 |
| shadeslayer | qt apps for N8 ... lol | 20:39 |
| shadeslayer | doesnt N8 run symbian | 20:39 |
| Riddell | thanks shadeslayer | 20:39 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: what mirror are you using? | 20:39 |
| ScottK | Qt runs on Symbian. | 20:39 |
| dantti | shadeslayer: hmm now I see you msg about the application laucher, pretty usefull isn't it? | 20:39 |
| shadeslayer | thats new for me ^ | 20:40 |
| shadeslayer | dantti: alot! | 20:40 |
| txwikinger | Riddell: http://ubuntu.mirror.iweb.ca/ | 20:40 |
| shadeslayer | there was this survey canonical did .. hold on | 20:40 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: try archive.ubuntu.com | 20:40 |
| txwikinger | ok | 20:40 |
| dantti | Riddell: about the vote, I voted on Serra... | 20:41 |
| dantti | shadeslayer: the ui is very ugly but.. for the future I can improve it :) | 20:42 |
| shadeslayer | dantti: dude.. its amazing | 20:43 |
| shadeslayer | dantti: point 5 : http://design.canonical.com/2010/06/when-new-users-first-encounter-ubuntu-5-show-stoppers/ | 20:43 |
| Riddell | dantti: what's wrong with Dilma ? | 20:44 |
| shadeslayer | im off to sleep.. cya laterz | 20:44 |
| dantti | Riddell: everything :P , she never went to school, nor knows reading, also killed people when the militaries where comanding here... | 20:46 |
| dantti | Riddell: not counting her vice was the major head on stoling money "scandalous" | 20:47 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: ping | 20:59 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: pong | 20:59 |
| Riddell | 20:57 < superm1> Riddell, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56813600/casper_1.244_1.245.diff.gz causes an error on non-kde systems. that 48kubuntu_disable_restart_notifications should be testing that it's really on a KDE image, or that the directory at least exists first | 20:59 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 21:00 |
| JontheEchidna | bbiab | 21:16 |
| Riddell | cool, I can compile four packages at the same time and still be able to watch a video | 21:20 |
| Riddell | cloud computing is nifty | 21:20 |
| Riddell | if only I knew how much it was costing me | 21:20 |
| txwikinger | Riddell: archive.ubuntu.com is a lot slower | 21:24 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: well if you will live on the wrong side of the planet.. | 21:25 |
| txwikinger | Riddell: has nothing to do with location | 21:25 |
| txwikinger | I have a faster speed to my server that is in Germany | 21:25 |
| Riddell | probably busy with RC downloads | 21:26 |
| === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work | ||
| dantti | Riddell: how would like to see launchpad bug? is "* Launchpad bug #123456" fine or Ubuntu bug is better? | 21:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 123456 in xine-lib (Ubuntu) "podcast crashes amarok" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123456 | 21:39 |
| dantti | maybe LP bug 1234... or is LP too geek? | 21:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1234 in Launchpad Foundations "Gina is an unmaintainable mess of command line options, environment variables and shell scripts" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234 | 21:40 |
| dantti | i thought # was what made the bot to work, but I guess the bug word also activates it :P | 21:41 |
| Riddell | dantti: what's the context? | 21:42 |
| Riddell | in debian/changelog we use LP: #123456 | 21:42 |
| dantti | Riddell: user seeing packages updastes, then on the changelog I parse it to extract debian/lp bugs, so what I don't know is how to present the string to the user | 21:43 |
| dantti | it will be a list of links | 21:43 |
| dantti | but instead of showing the like, a nicer text would be better | 21:43 |
| dantti | *s/like/link | 21:43 |
| dantti | s/link/URL :P | 21:43 |
| Riddell | "Launchpad bug #123456" is good with me | 21:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 123456 in xine-lib (Ubuntu) "podcast crashes amarok" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123456 | 21:44 |
| dantti | k | 21:44 |
| dantti | thanks | 21:44 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: I'm not quite sure how to go about checking if we are on a KDE image | 22:37 |
| dantti | Riddell: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopo20144 :) ( + minus one kpackagekit bug :P ) | 22:37 |
| Riddell | ooh nice dantti | 22:38 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: just check if the directory exists | 22:38 |
| JontheEchidna | had to read up on shell scripting to figure that out ;-) | 22:45 |
| Riddell | shell is a horrible language | 22:45 |
| JontheEchidna | anyways, fix uploaded | 22:45 |
| Riddell | lovely, thanks JontheEchidna, I'll upload to the archive | 22:49 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: oh, I had already dput it | 22:49 |
| Riddell | even better | 22:52 |
| Riddell | then I'll approve | 22:52 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| dantti | Riddell: do you know if there is some list of packages that require restart? | 23:50 |
| Riddell | dantti: there isn't | 23:52 |
| Riddell | they touch a file in the postinst script | 23:52 |
| Riddell | but there's no way to know before it gets installed as far as I know | 23:52 |
| dantti | Riddell: hmm, right, well py apt backend had a short libc + linux-image list, but to small imo | 23:53 |
| dantti | this way the user could known before | 23:53 |
| Riddell | copy that I guess | 23:53 |
| dantti | k, not very usefull but those require restart for sure I guess :P | 23:54 |
| Riddell | yes | 23:55 |
| dantti | Riddell: and btw now it parses CVEs too :D http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoph20144 | 23:56 |
| dantti | now I just need to fix a few cases where I get the whole changelog | 23:56 |
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