[00:00] <shadeslayer_> lol... that didnt fix it either ^_^
[00:01] <shadeslayer_> now im in a xterm... and X keeps throwing me back to gdm..
[00:01] <shadeslayer_> cant even boot neon
[00:01] <shadeslayer_> lex79: this is fun :P
[00:02] <lex79> something is screw up in your installation, not in the packages I think
[00:02] <shadeslayer_> yeah i think so too
[00:03] <shadeslayer_> ( this is why i have kde svn :/ )
[00:03] <shadeslayer_> *hate
[00:03] <shadeslayer_> hold on...
[00:18] <shadeslayer_> lex79: im sleeping.. too tired, will look into this tmmrw
[00:18] <lex79> shadeslayer_: good night
[00:19] <shadeslayer_> ciao people...
[00:21] <lex79> lol
[06:06] <ScottK> maco: The version string for Gally is still version     = "0.5rc3"
[06:06] <ScottK> Do you want me to accept it anyway?
[06:06] <maco> oh fudgey fudge
[06:06] <maco> no
[06:07]  * maco fixes
[06:08] <ScottK> maco: Rejected.  You can use the same version number over again.  You also might want to clean up some of the commented out code that's left in.
[06:09] <ScottK> Stuff like # print foo does not inspire confidence for a final release.
[06:10] <maco> they're gonna be useful prints for when i do the stuff planned for the next one :(
[06:10] <ScottK> OK.
[06:10]  * ScottK is off to bed.
[06:10] <maco> night night
[09:39] <tim> hi, is there any plan to ship any of the kdevelop4 plugins (from kdevelop4-extra-plugins)?
[10:13] <Mamarok> tim: more plugins? There already are like 15
[10:14] <Riddell> I don't think I've heard of kdevelop4-extra-plugins
[10:16] <tim> Mamarok, then how to install them? i cannot find any ... maybe i am missing a specific source/ppa?
[10:17] <tim> Riddell, e.g. a qmake plugin is supposed to be in there
[10:17] <Mamarok> tim: just install kdevelop? I have version 4.1 one here
[10:18] <Mamarok> or use qtcreator
[10:18] <tim> i'm running kdevelop from the 10.10 beta. no 4.1 in there ...
[10:19] <tim> Mamarok, why shall i switch to a completely different ide?
[10:19] <Mamarok> just a suggestion
[10:20] <Riddell> kdevelop beta is in this PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[10:20]  * Mamarok likes Qtcreator better, less crammed
[10:35] <tim> Riddell, thnx ... no qmake support, but finally with a git plugin!
[10:56] <Riddell> Kubuntu got a free ticket to Qt dev days if anyone wants to go
[10:56] <Riddell> http://qt.nokia.com/qtdevdays2010
[11:54] <Riddell> not pretty but it'll have to do  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/280
[12:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: best kubuntu release eva!!!
[12:02]  * shadeslayer reinstalled
[12:02] <shadeslayer> best thing right now is kpk
[12:02] <shadeslayer> danti is to thank for that.. <3 the fact that it says : Click Below to start application
[12:02] <markey> some process crashes for me frequently
[12:02] <markey> "npviewer" or somesuch
[12:03] <markey> what is that?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> markey: eww... flash i think
[12:03] <markey> didn't happen with Lucid
[12:03] <shadeslayer> 64 bit?
[12:03] <markey> yes
[12:03] <shadeslayer> try out the new 64 bit flash from adobe
[12:03] <shadeslayer> maybe it helps
[12:03] <markey> good idea
[12:03] <markey> is there a package for it already?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> IIRC they have debs
[12:04] <shadeslayer> no.. tarballs
[12:05] <shadeslayer> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer_square_p2_64bit_linux_092710.tar.gz
[12:05] <cortex_sk> markey: try ppa:sevenmachines/flash
[12:05]  * shadeslayer tries out jockey-kde
[12:05] <markey> cortex_sk: thx
[12:35] <Riddell> rdieter: something up with your pykde packages? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253219
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: erm.. no update icon for kpk .. http://imagebin.ca/view/5wf7WeMF.html
[12:41] <Riddell> I have an update for that here
[12:41] <Riddell> bit of a scary diff though
[12:42] <Riddell> dantii also said he had a patch for aptcc but haven't heard anything since
[12:44] <shadeslayer> yeah under details, while downloading updates,some of the entries are duplicated
[12:45]  * shadeslayer has alot of downloading to do today
[12:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also, mtux has requested that the application name be changed to kubuntu-choqok
[12:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: too late I'm afraid
[12:50] <Riddell> for maverick
[12:50] <Riddell> could be in lucid I guess
[12:50] <shadeslayer> uh... no i mean.. in dev.twitter.com
[12:50] <shadeslayer> that can be changed at any time
[12:51] <Riddell> oh right
[12:51] <Riddell> what is it currently?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu Microblogging client
[12:51] <Riddell> so change to "Kubuntu Choqok microblogging client" ?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> yes
[12:51] <Riddell> that's fine
[12:53] <shadeslayer> ok, changing
[12:53] <shadeslayer> Key is too long (maximum 32 characters) : heh
[12:54] <Riddell> drop the "client" ?
[12:56] <shadeslayer> done
[13:06] <Riddell> lex79: added your oxygen fix to kde svn trunk and branch
[13:28] <Riddell> dantti: who did you vote for?
[13:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you have someone lined up to review pulseaudio?  I'm afraid that one is beyond me.
[13:42] <Riddell> was hoping for crimsun of themuso to do it, luke will he asleep by now so I guess we wait for daniel to wake up
[13:42] <ScottK> OK.  Hopefully he'll have internet today.
[13:42] <ScottK> Workspace looks fine and I supposed the sooner it starts building the better.
[13:45] <Riddell> the only other update I have in view is the qt patches for gtk theme.  but I couldn't spot any difference, I haven't heard back from the ayatana person who requested it and I'd say it's too late anyway now given how long that takes to build on arm
[13:45] <Riddell> so I think we're all set for release
[13:49] <ScottK> I think it's definitely too late for another Qt upload.
[13:49] <ScottK> I still have some release notes tasks to write.
[13:55] <shadeslayer> dantti: im in love with this : http://imagebin.ca/view/7QNtOR.html
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/ydv7kFWv
[14:06] <shadeslayer> that doesnt look right
[14:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: whatever have you done?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade :D
[14:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What happens if you just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thats already installed
[14:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I understand that.
[14:21] <ScottK> That should try to upgrade it.
[14:22] <shadeslayer> nope : http://pastebin.com/d1qxjC1X
[14:23] <ScottK> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && apt-get install kubuntu-destkop
[14:23] <ScottK> (spelled better though)
[14:23]  * txwikinger did an upgrade to maverick on netbook
[14:24] <txwikinger> I found two issues
[14:24] <txwikinger> I got lots of warning about some gtk icon cache not found
[14:24] <shadeslayer> installed fine
[14:24] <txwikinger> and all the favorites on the search and launch page disappeared
[14:24] <txwikinger> otherwise it seems fine so far
[14:26] <shadeslayer> i think apt-get just went on a anti-KDE rampage :P
[14:27] <debfx> shadeslayer: use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade if it tries to remove packages you want to keep
[14:27] <shadeslayer> debfx: http://pastebin.com/FsaWtfib
[14:32] <shadeslayer> something isnt  right
[14:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: archive skew I guess, kdebase-workspace isn't building on amd64 
[14:32] <Riddell> although my 64 bit computer here is ok
[14:32] <shadeslayer> ah ...
[14:32] <shadeslayer> err.. im on main archives
[14:33] <debfx> I guess kdelibs5-data just hasn't been pushed to the archive yet
[14:35] <shadeslayer> yeah i think so
[14:36] <shadeslayer>   Candidate: 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu6
[15:07] <oxymoron> wtf, when doing upgrade kpackagekit want to remove all apps i have like konversation, amarok, quassel, rekonq and so oon?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: yeah kdelibs5-data is not in archive yet
[15:09] <shadeslayer> dont upgrade yet
[15:09] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: and then everything is removed if trying to upgrade, erh?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> yus
[15:10] <oxymoron> makes no sense
[15:10] <shadeslayer> the new packages need kdelibs5-data i think
[15:10] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: what upgrades is it btw?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: http://pastebin.com/ydv7kFWv
[15:11] <oxymoron> yes needs it but i dont understand why it should delete old packages
[15:11] <shadeslayer> dunno ..
[15:11] <oxymoron> BA>D dependecies
[15:12] <oxymoron> personally i think debian structure and dependecies should be reconstructed to something more solid
[15:13] <oxymoron> sometimes it installs packages which break other ones
[15:13] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: fixed in main archives now
[15:13] <oxymoron> and removes packages sometimes if not needed too
[15:13] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/25a4GVs3
[15:14] <oxymoron> doesnt work for me yet
[15:14] <oxymoron> maverick rc 1
[15:14] <oxymoron> main mirror server
[15:16] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: just keep updating :P
[15:18] <txwikinger> Riddell: where do we report the RC bugs?
[15:18] <Riddell> txwikinger: launchpad.net
[15:18] <Riddell> ah, nixternal_ 
[15:18] <Riddell> do you know how to extract and package translations for kubuntu docs?
[15:19] <txwikinger> just like bugs in released versions?
[15:19] <Riddell> well it is a released version, we released it last week
[15:20] <txwikinger> :)
[15:25] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: same prob still
[15:25] <shadeslayer> :S
[15:25] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: apt-cache policy kdelibs5-data
[15:26] <oxymoron> http://pastebin.com/Xn6Vx2CT
[15:27] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: 
[15:27] <shadeslayer> ah see.. you need 0ubuntu7
[15:28] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Alright, I cannot get it then xD
[15:29] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:52] <lex79> Riddell: Colin said install sound-theme-freedesktop package to have sound in speakers setup, I will tryjust for fun since it's in Universe
[16:26] <dantti_work> Riddell: do you know why the chromiun changelog dir is very different from the package version? URI: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium-browser_6.0.472.63~r59945-0ubuntu2/changelog
[16:26] <dantti_work> this is the uri I'm trying to fetch, which does not exist 
[16:26] <shadeslayer> dantti_work: cant open that URL
[16:26] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:26] <dantti_work> shadeslayer: the path is wrong but I can't get why
[16:26] <shadeslayer> one sec
[16:27] <shadeslayer> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium-browser_6.0.472.62~r59676-0ubuntu0.10.04.1/changelog
[16:27] <dantti_work> here you cann se that the version is wrong http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/
[16:27] <dantti_work> yes I see that, but it's a bit of nonsense
[16:28] <dantti_work> the code in aptcc is pretty much of synaptics and it works ...
[16:28] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:28] <shadeslayer> 6.0.472.62~r59676-0ubuntu0.10.04.1
[16:28] <shadeslayer> ^ wth version
[16:28] <dantti_work> dunno how the 62... version appeared
[16:29] <shadeslayer> its corrected in maverick tho
[16:29] <shadeslayer> dantti_work: i dont see a changelog for maverick versions
[16:30] <dantti_work> my code works for several packages, but wine, chromiun & friends fail
[16:39] <shadeslayer> dantti_work: what do you use for the Box that shows the downloading packages?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> i want to replicate that in my zsync code
[16:39] <shadeslayer> s/zsync/qzsync
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ( the part where you click details and it shows the packages being downloaded )
[16:42] <dantti_work> shadeslayer: it's a custom delegate
[16:43] <shadeslayer> delegate?
[16:43] <dantti_work> QStyledItemDelegate, how do you display your data currently?
[16:44] <dantti_work> iirc apachelogger said that your qzsync didn't use model/view
[16:44] <shadeslayer> dantti_work: currently i dont display any info
[16:44] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:44] <shadeslayer> because i have no idea about those :)
[16:45] <dantti_work> shadeslayer: hmm i guess you should read some model/view docs
[16:45] <shadeslayer> i was thinking of using QPlainTextEdit
[16:45] <shadeslayer> but it comes with it own set of issues :P
[16:45] <dantti_work> well that will work too
[16:45] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:46] <dantti_work> can your data be mapped to items?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> i have to draw the QPlainTextEdit before the process starts and connect readyRead to it
[16:46] <shadeslayer> dantti_work: http://gitorious.org/qzsync
[16:46] <shadeslayer> i think yes...
[16:46] <dantti_work> then I guess you could use model/view
[16:47] <shadeslayer> ok ill read up on that 
[16:53] <dantti_work> shadeslayer: QStandardItemModel is the easiest start imo
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ok ... ill start with that.. right after i get dev packages installed
[17:09] <Riddell> 15:35 < seb128> Riddell, Cimi: btw I can confirm that the qt update in maverick fixes the light themes issues
[17:09] <Riddell> sigh
[17:12] <ScottK> Sounds like a zero day SRU target
[17:23] <larsivi> uhm, upgraded the beta today, and got tiny-tiny fonts in some apps  (Quassel, Akregator - not KMail)
[17:24] <larsivi> adjusting font size in e.g. Akregator does not appear to help
[17:25] <larsivi> or rather, it helps, but not where I expected it to help
[17:25] <Riddell> what's in system settings -> appearance -> fonts ?
[17:28] <larsivi> Riddell: IIRC, the same as always - haven't touched the settings in ages
[17:28] <Riddell> which is what?
[17:29] <larsivi> I've always used small fonts (8 and 9) and 96 PPT
[17:29] <larsivi> What I noticed in the Akregator settings, was that small font was set to 6
[17:29] <larsivi> and that is what it looks like
[17:29] <larsivi> this size is also used in the panel
[17:33] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: new kdelibs in ktown
[17:34] <larsivi> I tried switching to 120 PPT, but that is definately larger than what I had, so something has changed somewhere
[17:49] <Riddell> hello will_shand 
[17:50] <will_shand> hey, how you doing?
[17:52] <Riddell> good thanks
[18:01] <ScottK> larsivi: The new Ubuntu font does appear smaller than the old default.
[18:02] <larsivi> ScottK: this is intentional?
[18:02] <ScottK> I've no idea about the font design.
[18:03] <ScottK> We did bump the defaults up a point as a result, but if you've changed from the defaults, you're wouldn't have changed.
[18:04] <larsivi> ScottK: ok, thanks
[18:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: this post our discussion yesterday about the fonts looking squashed?
[18:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No.  Didn't change again.
[18:21] <shadeslayer> ohk
[18:29] <txwikinger> Haha.. I finally fixed Kubuntu
[18:29] <txwikinger> my desktop only runs qt apps anymore... all the gnome stuff jsut hangs
[18:35] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: lol
[18:36] <jussi> hehe
[18:36] <jussi> so, its confirmed. Im going to UDS!
[18:36] <txwikinger> well given that I need to use some non-qt stuff to do my work -- not funny
[18:36] <Riddell> jussi: yay
[18:36] <txwikinger> jussi: I registered to participate remotely
[18:36] <jussi> :)
[18:36]  * txwikinger has too much to do 
[18:37]  * shadeslayer just needs a visa ... 
[18:37] <shadeslayer> meta kde up
[18:40]  * txwikinger hopes upgrade to maverick will fix his problems
[18:46] <shadeslayer> lex79: get working on 4.5.2 :P
[18:46] <lex79> do it :P
[18:47] <shadeslayer> im already doing it :D
[18:47] <lex79> good :)
[18:47] <shadeslayer> kdegraphics uploaded
[18:48] <lex79> Riddell: users are confused about weekly updates, it should be daily or it shold be hidden I think
[18:48] <lex79> http://imagebin.ca/view/QcJTr1X.html
[18:55] <shadeslayer> oh man.. kdebindings ...
[18:55] <txwikinger> bah.. upgrade to maverick does not work.. some dependency cycle in x
[18:55] <shadeslayer> wait.. we need a new kdelibs upload first ...
[18:55] <shadeslayer> and kdebindings is still a FTBFS according to packager
[18:59] <Riddell> lex79: oh hmm, that should probably be patched out
[19:00] <trichard_> hey, i just upgraded to Kubuntu 10.10RC and now ayatana powermanager shows up in my systemtray. Is this a known issue?
[19:01] <trichard_> also, i now have both kbluetooth and bluedevil in my systray
[19:03] <Riddell> trichard_: how did you upgrade?
[19:03] <neversfelde> better safe than sorry :)
[19:03] <neversfelde> I had the same problem, but I forgot about it
[19:03] <neversfelde> I used sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[19:03] <trichard_> Riddell: From kubuntu 10.04 using the method mentioned in the wiki
[19:04] <trichard_> kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d" <== this one
[19:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whats in cloud progress? :D
[19:05] <shadeslayer> building on server ?
[19:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm exploring using Amazon EC2
[19:06] <Riddell> trichard_: at the last step in the upgrade tool when it asks about packages to be removed, did you click "remove" or "keep"?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> hmm.. ive heard of that, dont know what it does tho
[19:07] <trichard_> Riddell: If i remember correctly i clicked remove
[19:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hiring a computer from Amazon to build it on
[19:07] <Riddell> or in this case, three
[19:08] <trichard_> Riddell: Does 'Computer janitor' do the same thing?
[19:08] <neversfelde> Riddell: is there anything different from doing it on the cl?
[19:08] <Riddell> trichard_: same thing as what?
[19:08] <neversfelde> if not, I did remove the packages
[19:08] <shadeslayer> how much does it cost?
[19:08] <lex79> Riddell: patch for what? for change to daily updates?
[19:08] <trichard_> Riddell: As clicking remove, that way i could check if i did it
[19:09] <Riddell> trichard_, neversfelde: well we added a patch this afternoon to force removal of kbluetooth so i guess that won't be an issue in future
[19:09] <lex79> thanks to me obviously
[19:09] <neversfelde> ah ok, I upgraded monday
[19:09] <lex79> :P
[19:09] <neversfelde> lex79: thank you :)
[19:09] <lex79> no problem :)
[19:09] <trichard_> Riddell, lex79: Thanks ;)
[19:09] <neversfelde> but you were too late for me 
[19:09] <trichard_> what about ayatana?
[19:09] <Riddell> lex79: well I'm unsure what that drop down box changes, if it's something in apt or something in kpackagekit.  but we already do updates through apt no?
[19:10] <Riddell> trichard_: I've not heard of ayatana powermanager
[19:10] <Riddell> trichard_: got a screenshot?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload the new tarball?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> for kdelibs
[19:10] <lex79> we already do updates via apt, but users are confused...they say "what? wekkly update?" I want daily update!!!
[19:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no
[19:11] <shadeslayer> ok ill upload it
[19:11] <Riddell> lex79: so I'm not sure what that drop down does
[19:11] <Riddell> we should ask dantti_work 
[19:11] <lex79> ok
[19:11] <dantti_work> Riddell: what should I be asked :P
[19:12] <lex79> dantti_work: we need a patch to change "weekly" to "daily" update
[19:12] <lex79> so users are happy
[19:12] <Riddell> dantti_work: what does the drop down box in kpackagekit control for check for updates?
[19:12] <lex79> and they don't ask every time why we have weekly updates instead of daily
[19:13] <shadeslayer> lex79: but cant the users change that themselves ?
[19:13] <trichard_> Riddell: It's the gnome power manager thingie. http://imagebin.org/116980
[19:13] <shadeslayer> i think weekly is good for people with low bandwidths
[19:13] <shadeslayer> think about them :P
[19:14] <Riddell> trichard_: weird
[19:14] <trichard_> shadeslayer: Does it matter when they have to download the updates? They have to do it eventually. If they stack it up to a week it will only last longer (+ you can change it manually)
[19:14] <lex79> shadeslayer: we do updates already trough apt, this is another matter
[19:14] <dantti_work> Riddell: that box is to "aptitude update" your list
[19:14] <Riddell> trichard_: what does this command give you?   grep OnlyShow /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-power-manager.desktop
[19:15] <trichard_> Riddell: OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE;
[19:15] <Riddell> dantti_work: but what runs that?  does kpackagekit run it?
[19:15] <shadeslayer> trichard_: yes, 2 use cases : update your sources daily ( 15 MB * 6 = 90 MB ) and update your sources once a week ( 15MB )
[19:15] <Riddell> trichard_: then it shouldn't start when you log into KDE
[19:15] <shadeslayer> lex79: whut... dont understand
[19:16] <trichard_> Riddell: Any way to figure out what does start it then?
[19:16] <dantti_work> Riddell: yes, the kded module check when was the last time and run
[19:17] <dantti_work> Riddell: the information is stored in packagekit so if on user checks the updates, the other doesn't do that
[19:17] <dantti_work> also, in the future it will have an option to don't check when using a mobile internet
[19:17] <Riddell> dantti_work: since we already have that with /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic I think we don't want it in packagekit
[19:18] <dantti_work> Riddell: i think for the above use case it would be interesting
[19:18] <dantti_work> plus it's more user friendly imo
[19:18] <Riddell> yes, but for maverick we need a quick fix
[19:18] <Riddell> there is already a GUI in software-properties for it
[19:20] <dantti_work> Riddell: so you can hide the combo + we need to disable the checking
[19:21] <Riddell> yep
[19:21] <Riddell> where would we disable the checking in the code?
[19:22] <dantti_work> Riddell: I think the best place would be in kded, I'm finishing the changelog thing in aptcc (now parsing ubuntu+ lp bugs)
[19:22] <dantti_work> Riddell: then I can give you a hand on patching kded
[19:23] <dantti_work> + I'll do a release of kpk today...
[19:23] <trichard_> Ohyeah, another minor inconvenience a noticed when i upgraded. My network manager was gone. Probably because knetworkmanager got replaced by the networkmanager plasmoid. But it would be nice to have a networkmanager plasmoid in the systray by default after upgrading i guess
[19:24] <txwikinger> Riddell: Is something wrong with the kubuntu packages for maverick?
[19:25] <Riddell> txwikinger: amd64 had issues
[19:25] <Riddell> trichard_: we used the plasmoid for the last release too so the upgrade logic would have been done then
[19:27]  * Riddell reminds the channel about the free devdays invite Kubuntu got
[19:27] <txwikinger> Riddell: Ah.. ok.. I just caught those :D
[19:27] <txwikinger> devdays invite?
[19:27] <trichard_> Riddell: Are you sure about that? My laptop still runs Kubuntu 10.04 (with KDE 4.5) and doesn't have the network plasmoid but knetworkmanager
[19:27] <Riddell> Qt Dev Days
[19:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: amazong EC2 is free?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> *amazon
[19:29] <trichard_> shadeslayer: No, you pay per hour a system is online
[19:30] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:30] <trichard_> and for bandwith
[19:31] <shadeslayer> hmm.. which is better? Droid or the N900 ?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> i wonder if the droid can run maemo ...
[19:32] <trichard_> Droid has more applications, N900 can run Qt apps :p
[19:32] <shadeslayer> trichard_: thats what im looking into... can the droid/milestone run maemo
[19:33] <shadeslayer> also.. N900 has FM radio AND transmitter :)
[19:33] <trichard_> that's a cool feature for in the car :) (might be a little offtopic though :p)
[19:34] <shadeslayer> google time! :D
[19:34]  * Tscheesy is a happy n900 user
[19:37] <trichard_> strange, pstree shows that gnome-power-man is started directly by init and now by kde-init or any of those
[19:37]  * txwikinger needs to use gnome to get his work done :(
[19:37] <trichard_> now = not
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Tscheesy: is the resistive touchscreen difficult to use? ive used a nokia 5800 and its really bad ( come in #kubuntu-offtopic plz )
[19:38] <Tscheesy> shadeslayer: its not too bad, quite exact - capazitive would be nicer
[19:38] <dantti_work> Riddell: btw, imo it would be better to hide the config in sw-properties, for example, a user that uses proxy, sets it on kde, kpackagekit works fine but it won't work with software-properties as far as i can tell
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Tscheesy: N900 or Droid? the more hackable phone
[19:39] <Riddell> dantti_work: well we still have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic installed by default so that would just remove a GUI for it
[19:40] <Tscheesy> shadeslayer: i'd say n900.. fore sure.. Droid needs the better HW.. n900 is a bit too weak for droid.. but who wants this?
[19:40] <Riddell> dantti_work: which we can change in future but not for maverick
[19:40] <shadeslayer> Tscheesy: droid has the better hardware?
[19:40] <dantti_work> Riddell: well, i think both could coexist imo
[19:41] <dantti_work> it would check twice but, it would work for proxied users
[19:41] <trichard_> My last issue is that my laptop won't upgrade to maverick. I've filed a bugreport here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/653498. I'm not sure if this is kubuntu specific though as i also have ubuntu-desktop installed
[19:41] <Tscheesy> shadeslayer:  Android needs a snapdragon to run smootly afaik..
[19:41] <Riddell> dantti_work: how?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[19:42] <dantti_work> Riddell: the way it is now, I could just send you the patch to check daily by default
[19:42] <trichard_> Tscheesy: That's correct. I have a 'cheapass' HTC Click/Tattoo and it doesn't run smooth at all
[19:42] <lex79> trichard_: did you have something installed from x swat ppa?
[19:43] <trichard_> lex79: Yes, mplayer i think
[19:44] <trichard_> lex79: Oops, newer nvidia drivers it seems
[19:44] <lex79> trichard_: I know there is a bug open in launchpad about problems to upgrade if you have some packages installed from x swat ppa
[19:44] <lex79> you have to downgrade the packages before to dist-upgrade to maverick
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Tscheesy: hmm... i like the fact that the droid has a bigger screen
[19:44] <trichard_> lex79: Ok, thanks
[19:45] <lex79> trichard_: bug 645064
[19:45] <Tscheesy> shadeslayer: i like the slider-kybd Radio-Transmitter, and.. (*pst* - nokia pc-suite)
[19:46]  * shadeslayer doesnt have Windows
[19:46]  * Tscheesy @ work.. unfo
[19:47] <Tscheesy> shadeslayer: as i read ... androids kernel can start another - so it shoul be easy to customate
[19:48] <shadeslayer> Tscheesy: yeah i can see alot of posts about N900 dual booting, nothing about Droid tho
[19:49] <Riddell> dantti_work: but then it wouldn't be in sync?
[19:51] <dantti_work> Riddell: yes, they might check for updates twice, or I can add a patch to atpcc to update the file that /etc/apt/...periodic reads
[19:53] <dantti_work> Riddell: I'm going home now, then I'll finish this changelog patch and discuss this, so that we finish these issues for mav
[20:24] <trichard_> arg, after removing the packages from the x-swat ppa i still can't upgrade to 10.10. This time it seems to be kubuntu-desktop that bothers me
[20:26] <trichard_> http://ubuntuone.com/p/IbD/
[20:29] <Riddell> trichard_: what mirror are you using?
[20:33] <trichard_> Riddell: It seems my desktop is reporting that it's holding packages back so there's probably nothing wrong anymore :)
[20:34] <txwikinger> Riddell: Is http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/b22aa94e-d6aa-4bf6-9ca3-323433838ebd/toronto_qt_training.html also for free ?
[20:35] <Riddell> txwikinger: no don't think so
[20:35]  * txwikinger does not want to travel to the US
[20:37]  * txwikinger wonders how to fix his Kubuntu
[20:38] <txwikinger> .. or I have to stay on Gnome until maverick works on AMD64
[20:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new kdelibs uploaded :)
[20:39] <shadeslayer> qt apps for N8 ... lol
[20:39] <shadeslayer> doesnt N8 run symbian 
[20:39] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer 
[20:39] <Riddell> txwikinger: what mirror are you using?
[20:39] <ScottK> Qt runs on Symbian.
[20:39] <dantti> shadeslayer: hmm now I see you msg about the application laucher, pretty usefull isn't it?
[20:40] <shadeslayer> thats new for me ^
[20:40] <shadeslayer> dantti: alot!
[20:40] <txwikinger> Riddell: http://ubuntu.mirror.iweb.ca/
[20:40] <shadeslayer> there was this survey canonical did .. hold on
[20:40] <Riddell> txwikinger: try archive.ubuntu.com
[20:40] <txwikinger> ok
[20:41] <dantti> Riddell: about the vote, I voted on Serra...
[20:42] <dantti> shadeslayer: the ui is very ugly but.. for the future I can improve it :)
[20:43] <shadeslayer> dantti: dude.. its amazing
[20:43] <shadeslayer> dantti: point 5 : http://design.canonical.com/2010/06/when-new-users-first-encounter-ubuntu-5-show-stoppers/
[20:44] <Riddell> dantti: what's wrong with Dilma ?
[20:44] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep.. cya laterz
[20:46] <dantti> Riddell: everything :P , she never went to school, nor knows reading, also killed people when the militaries where comanding here...
[20:47] <dantti> Riddell: not counting her vice was the major head on stoling money "scandalous"
[20:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ping
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: pong
[20:59] <Riddell> 20:57 < superm1> Riddell, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56813600/casper_1.244_1.245.diff.gz causes an error on non-kde systems.  that 48kubuntu_disable_restart_notifications  should be testing that it's really on a KDE image, or that the directory at least exists first
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> ok
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[21:20] <Riddell> cool, I can compile four packages at the same time and still be able to watch a video
[21:20] <Riddell> cloud computing is nifty
[21:20] <Riddell> if only I knew how much it was costing me
[21:24] <txwikinger> Riddell: archive.ubuntu.com is a lot slower 
[21:25] <Riddell> txwikinger: well if you will live on the wrong side of the planet..
[21:25] <txwikinger> Riddell: has nothing to do with location
[21:25] <txwikinger> I have a faster speed to my server that is in Germany
[21:26] <Riddell> probably busy with RC downloads
[21:39] <dantti> Riddell: how would like to see launchpad bug? is "* Launchpad bug #123456" fine or Ubuntu bug is better?
[21:40] <dantti> maybe LP bug 1234... or is LP too geek?
[21:41] <dantti> i thought # was what made the bot to work, but I guess the bug word also activates it :P
[21:42] <Riddell> dantti: what's the context?
[21:42] <Riddell> in debian/changelog we use LP: #123456
[21:43] <dantti> Riddell: user seeing packages updastes, then on the changelog I parse it to extract debian/lp bugs, so what I don't know is how to present the string to the user
[21:43] <dantti> it will be a list of links
[21:43] <dantti> but instead of showing the like, a nicer text would be better
[21:43] <dantti> *s/like/link
[21:43] <dantti> s/link/URL :P
[21:44] <Riddell> "Launchpad bug #123456" is good with me
[21:44] <dantti> k
[21:44] <dantti> thanks
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I'm not quite sure how to go about checking if we are on a KDE image
[22:37] <dantti> Riddell: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopo20144 :)  ( + minus one kpackagekit bug :P )
[22:38] <Riddell> ooh nice dantti 
[22:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: just check if the directory exists
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> had to read up on shell scripting to figure that out ;-)
[22:45] <Riddell> shell is a horrible language
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> anyways, fix uploaded
[22:49] <Riddell> lovely, thanks JontheEchidna, I'll upload to the archive
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, I had already dput it
[22:52] <Riddell> even better
[22:52] <Riddell> then I'll approve
[23:50] <dantti> Riddell: do you know if there is some list of packages that require restart?
[23:52] <Riddell> dantti: there isn't
[23:52] <Riddell> they touch a file in the postinst script
[23:52] <Riddell> but there's no way to know before it gets installed as far as I know
[23:53] <dantti> Riddell: hmm, right, well py apt backend had a short libc + linux-image list, but to small imo
[23:53] <dantti> this way the user could known before
[23:53] <Riddell> copy that I guess
[23:54] <dantti> k, not very usefull but those require restart for sure I guess :P
[23:55] <Riddell> yes
[23:56] <dantti> Riddell: and btw now it parses CVEs too :D http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoph20144
[23:56] <dantti> now I just need to fix a few cases where I get the whole changelog