[00:00] lol... that didnt fix it either ^_^ [00:01] now im in a xterm... and X keeps throwing me back to gdm.. [00:01] cant even boot neon [00:01] lex79: this is fun :P [00:02] something is screw up in your installation, not in the packages I think [00:02] yeah i think so too [00:03] ( this is why i have kde svn :/ ) [00:03] *hate [00:03] hold on... === yfoel is now known as yofel [00:18] lex79: im sleeping.. too tired, will look into this tmmrw [00:18] shadeslayer_: good night [00:19] ciao people... [00:21] lol === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq === superfly__ is now known as superfly [06:06] maco: The version string for Gally is still version = "0.5rc3" [06:06] Do you want me to accept it anyway? [06:06] oh fudgey fudge [06:06] no [06:07] * maco fixes [06:08] maco: Rejected. You can use the same version number over again. You also might want to clean up some of the commented out code that's left in. [06:09] Stuff like # print foo does not inspire confidence for a final release. [06:10] they're gonna be useful prints for when i do the stuff planned for the next one :( [06:10] OK. [06:10] * ScottK is off to bed. [06:10] night night === fabo_ is now known as fabo === KRF_ is now known as KRF [09:39] hi, is there any plan to ship any of the kdevelop4 plugins (from kdevelop4-extra-plugins)? === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [10:13] tim: more plugins? There already are like 15 [10:14] I don't think I've heard of kdevelop4-extra-plugins [10:16] Mamarok, then how to install them? i cannot find any ... maybe i am missing a specific source/ppa? [10:17] Riddell, e.g. a qmake plugin is supposed to be in there [10:17] tim: just install kdevelop? I have version 4.1 one here [10:18] or use qtcreator [10:18] i'm running kdevelop from the 10.10 beta. no 4.1 in there ... [10:19] Mamarok, why shall i switch to a completely different ide? [10:19] just a suggestion [10:20] kdevelop beta is in this PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta [10:20] * Mamarok likes Qtcreator better, less crammed [10:35] Riddell, thnx ... no qmake support, but finally with a git plugin! [10:56] Kubuntu got a free ticket to Qt dev days if anyone wants to go [10:56] http://qt.nokia.com/qtdevdays2010 [11:54] not pretty but it'll have to do http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/280 [12:01] Riddell: best kubuntu release eva!!! [12:02] * shadeslayer reinstalled [12:02] best thing right now is kpk [12:02] danti is to thank for that.. <3 the fact that it says : Click Below to start application [12:02] some process crashes for me frequently [12:02] "npviewer" or somesuch [12:03] what is that? [12:03] markey: eww... flash i think [12:03] didn't happen with Lucid [12:03] 64 bit? [12:03] yes [12:03] try out the new 64 bit flash from adobe [12:03] maybe it helps [12:03] good idea [12:03] is there a package for it already? [12:03] IIRC they have debs [12:04] no.. tarballs [12:05] http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer_square_p2_64bit_linux_092710.tar.gz [12:05] markey: try ppa:sevenmachines/flash [12:05] * shadeslayer tries out jockey-kde [12:05] cortex_sk: thx [12:35] rdieter: something up with your pykde packages? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253219 [12:35] KDE bug 253219 in general "Crash after click on "Printer Configuration"" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [12:40] Riddell: erm.. no update icon for kpk .. http://imagebin.ca/view/5wf7WeMF.html [12:41] I have an update for that here [12:41] bit of a scary diff though [12:42] dantii also said he had a patch for aptcc but haven't heard anything since [12:44] yeah under details, while downloading updates,some of the entries are duplicated [12:45] * shadeslayer has alot of downloading to do today [12:49] Riddell: also, mtux has requested that the application name be changed to kubuntu-choqok [12:50] shadeslayer: too late I'm afraid [12:50] for maverick [12:50] could be in lucid I guess [12:50] uh... no i mean.. in dev.twitter.com [12:50] that can be changed at any time [12:51] oh right [12:51] what is it currently? [12:51] Kubuntu Microblogging client [12:51] so change to "Kubuntu Choqok microblogging client" ? [12:51] yes [12:51] that's fine [12:53] ok, changing [12:53] Key is too long (maximum 32 characters) : heh [12:54] drop the "client" ? [12:56] done [13:06] lex79: added your oxygen fix to kde svn trunk and branch === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [13:28] dantti: who did you vote for? [13:41] Riddell: Did you have someone lined up to review pulseaudio? I'm afraid that one is beyond me. [13:42] was hoping for crimsun of themuso to do it, luke will he asleep by now so I guess we wait for daniel to wake up [13:42] OK. Hopefully he'll have internet today. [13:42] Workspace looks fine and I supposed the sooner it starts building the better. [13:45] the only other update I have in view is the qt patches for gtk theme. but I couldn't spot any difference, I haven't heard back from the ayatana person who requested it and I'd say it's too late anyway now given how long that takes to build on arm [13:45] so I think we're all set for release [13:49] I think it's definitely too late for another Qt upload. [13:49] I still have some release notes tasks to write. [13:55] dantti: im in love with this : http://imagebin.ca/view/7QNtOR.html [14:06] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/ydv7kFWv [14:06] that doesnt look right [14:18] shadeslayer: whatever have you done? [14:19] sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade :D [14:21] shadeslayer: What happens if you just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? [14:21] ScottK: thats already installed [14:21] shadeslayer: I understand that. [14:21] That should try to upgrade it. [14:22] nope : http://pastebin.com/d1qxjC1X [14:23] sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && apt-get install kubuntu-destkop [14:23] (spelled better though) [14:23] * txwikinger did an upgrade to maverick on netbook [14:24] I found two issues [14:24] I got lots of warning about some gtk icon cache not found [14:24] installed fine [14:24] and all the favorites on the search and launch page disappeared [14:24] otherwise it seems fine so far [14:26] i think apt-get just went on a anti-KDE rampage :P [14:27] shadeslayer: use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade if it tries to remove packages you want to keep [14:27] debfx: http://pastebin.com/FsaWtfib === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [14:32] something isnt right [14:32] shadeslayer: archive skew I guess, kdebase-workspace isn't building on amd64 [14:32] although my 64 bit computer here is ok [14:32] ah ... [14:32] err.. im on main archives [14:33] I guess kdelibs5-data just hasn't been pushed to the archive yet [14:35] yeah i think so [14:36] Candidate: 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu6 [15:07] wtf, when doing upgrade kpackagekit want to remove all apps i have like konversation, amarok, quassel, rekonq and so oon? [15:09] oxymoron: yeah kdelibs5-data is not in archive yet [15:09] dont upgrade yet [15:09] shadeslayer: and then everything is removed if trying to upgrade, erh? [15:09] yus [15:10] makes no sense [15:10] the new packages need kdelibs5-data i think [15:10] shadeslayer: what upgrades is it btw? [15:10] oxymoron: http://pastebin.com/ydv7kFWv [15:11] yes needs it but i dont understand why it should delete old packages [15:11] dunno .. [15:11] BA>D dependecies [15:12] personally i think debian structure and dependecies should be reconstructed to something more solid [15:13] sometimes it installs packages which break other ones [15:13] oxymoron: fixed in main archives now [15:13] and removes packages sometimes if not needed too [15:13] http://pastebin.com/25a4GVs3 [15:14] doesnt work for me yet === nixternal is now known as Guest8628 [15:14] maverick rc 1 [15:14] main mirror server [15:16] oxymoron: just keep updating :P [15:18] Riddell: where do we report the RC bugs? [15:18] txwikinger: launchpad.net [15:18] ah, nixternal_ [15:18] do you know how to extract and package translations for kubuntu docs? [15:19] just like bugs in released versions? [15:19] well it is a released version, we released it last week [15:20] :) [15:25] shadeslayer: same prob still [15:25] :S [15:25] oxymoron: apt-cache policy kdelibs5-data [15:26] http://pastebin.com/Xn6Vx2CT [15:27] shadeslayer: [15:27] ah see.. you need 0ubuntu7 [15:28] shadeslayer: Alright, I cannot get it then xD [15:29] :D === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [15:52] Riddell: Colin said install sound-theme-freedesktop package to have sound in speakers setup, I will tryjust for fun since it's in Universe === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [16:26] Riddell: do you know why the chromiun changelog dir is very different from the package version? URI: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium-browser_6.0.472.63~r59945-0ubuntu2/changelog [16:26] this is the uri I'm trying to fetch, which does not exist [16:26] dantti_work: cant open that URL [16:26] hmm [16:26] shadeslayer: the path is wrong but I can't get why [16:26] one sec [16:27] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium-browser_6.0.472.62~r59676-0ubuntu0.10.04.1/changelog [16:27] here you cann se that the version is wrong http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/ [16:27] yes I see that, but it's a bit of nonsense [16:28] the code in aptcc is pretty much of synaptics and it works ... [16:28] yeah [16:28] 6.0.472.62~r59676-0ubuntu0.10.04.1 [16:28] ^ wth version [16:28] dunno how the 62... version appeared [16:29] its corrected in maverick tho [16:29] dantti_work: i dont see a changelog for maverick versions [16:30] my code works for several packages, but wine, chromiun & friends fail [16:39] dantti_work: what do you use for the Box that shows the downloading packages? [16:39] i want to replicate that in my zsync code [16:39] s/zsync/qzsync [16:39] ( the part where you click details and it shows the packages being downloaded ) [16:42] shadeslayer: it's a custom delegate [16:43] delegate? [16:43] QStyledItemDelegate, how do you display your data currently? [16:44] iirc apachelogger said that your qzsync didn't use model/view [16:44] dantti_work: currently i dont display any info [16:44] yeah [16:44] because i have no idea about those :) [16:45] shadeslayer: hmm i guess you should read some model/view docs [16:45] i was thinking of using QPlainTextEdit [16:45] but it comes with it own set of issues :P [16:45] well that will work too [16:45] ok [16:46] can your data be mapped to items? [16:46] i have to draw the QPlainTextEdit before the process starts and connect readyRead to it [16:46] dantti_work: http://gitorious.org/qzsync [16:46] i think yes... [16:46] then I guess you could use model/view [16:47] ok ill read up on that [16:53] shadeslayer: QStandardItemModel is the easiest start imo [16:53] ok ... ill start with that.. right after i get dev packages installed [17:09] 15:35 < seb128> Riddell, Cimi: btw I can confirm that the qt update in maverick fixes the light themes issues [17:09] sigh [17:12] Sounds like a zero day SRU target [17:23] uhm, upgraded the beta today, and got tiny-tiny fonts in some apps (Quassel, Akregator - not KMail) [17:24] adjusting font size in e.g. Akregator does not appear to help [17:25] or rather, it helps, but not where I expected it to help [17:25] what's in system settings -> appearance -> fonts ? [17:28] Riddell: IIRC, the same as always - haven't touched the settings in ages [17:28] which is what? [17:29] I've always used small fonts (8 and 9) and 96 PPT [17:29] What I noticed in the Akregator settings, was that small font was set to 6 [17:29] and that is what it looks like [17:29] this size is also used in the panel [17:33] bulldog98: new kdelibs in ktown [17:34] I tried switching to 120 PPT, but that is definately larger than what I had, so something has changed somewhere [17:49] hello will_shand [17:50] hey, how you doing? [17:52] good thanks [18:01] larsivi: The new Ubuntu font does appear smaller than the old default. [18:02] ScottK: this is intentional? [18:02] I've no idea about the font design. [18:03] We did bump the defaults up a point as a result, but if you've changed from the defaults, you're wouldn't have changed. [18:04] ScottK: ok, thanks [18:07] ScottK: this post our discussion yesterday about the fonts looking squashed? [18:21] shadeslayer: No. Didn't change again. [18:21] ohk [18:29] Haha.. I finally fixed Kubuntu [18:29] my desktop only runs qt apps anymore... all the gnome stuff jsut hangs [18:35] txwikinger: lol [18:36] hehe [18:36] so, its confirmed. Im going to UDS! [18:36] well given that I need to use some non-qt stuff to do my work -- not funny [18:36] jussi: yay [18:36] jussi: I registered to participate remotely [18:36] :) [18:36] * txwikinger has too much to do [18:37] * shadeslayer just needs a visa ... [18:37] meta kde up [18:40] * txwikinger hopes upgrade to maverick will fix his problems [18:46] lex79: get working on 4.5.2 :P [18:46] do it :P [18:47] im already doing it :D [18:47] good :) [18:47] kdegraphics uploaded [18:48] Riddell: users are confused about weekly updates, it should be daily or it shold be hidden I think [18:48] http://imagebin.ca/view/QcJTr1X.html [18:55] oh man.. kdebindings ... [18:55] bah.. upgrade to maverick does not work.. some dependency cycle in x [18:55] wait.. we need a new kdelibs upload first ... [18:55] and kdebindings is still a FTBFS according to packager [18:59] lex79: oh hmm, that should probably be patched out [19:00] hey, i just upgraded to Kubuntu 10.10RC and now ayatana powermanager shows up in my systemtray. Is this a known issue? [19:01] also, i now have both kbluetooth and bluedevil in my systray [19:03] trichard_: how did you upgrade? [19:03] better safe than sorry :) [19:03] I had the same problem, but I forgot about it [19:03] I used sudo do-release-upgrade -d [19:03] Riddell: From kubuntu 10.04 using the method mentioned in the wiki [19:04] kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d" <== this one [19:05] Riddell: whats in cloud progress? :D [19:05] building on server ? [19:06] shadeslayer: I'm exploring using Amazon EC2 [19:06] trichard_: at the last step in the upgrade tool when it asks about packages to be removed, did you click "remove" or "keep"? [19:06] hmm.. ive heard of that, dont know what it does tho [19:07] Riddell: If i remember correctly i clicked remove [19:07] shadeslayer: hiring a computer from Amazon to build it on [19:07] or in this case, three [19:08] Riddell: Does 'Computer janitor' do the same thing? [19:08] Riddell: is there anything different from doing it on the cl? [19:08] trichard_: same thing as what? [19:08] if not, I did remove the packages [19:08] how much does it cost? [19:08] Riddell: patch for what? for change to daily updates? [19:08] Riddell: As clicking remove, that way i could check if i did it [19:09] trichard_, neversfelde: well we added a patch this afternoon to force removal of kbluetooth so i guess that won't be an issue in future [19:09] thanks to me obviously [19:09] ah ok, I upgraded monday [19:09] :P [19:09] lex79: thank you :) [19:09] no problem :) [19:09] Riddell, lex79: Thanks ;) [19:09] but you were too late for me [19:09] what about ayatana? [19:09] lex79: well I'm unsure what that drop down box changes, if it's something in apt or something in kpackagekit. but we already do updates through apt no? [19:10] trichard_: I've not heard of ayatana powermanager [19:10] trichard_: got a screenshot? [19:10] Riddell: did you upload the new tarball? [19:10] for kdelibs [19:10] we already do updates via apt, but users are confused...they say "what? wekkly update?" I want daily update!!! [19:11] shadeslayer: no [19:11] ok ill upload it [19:11] lex79: so I'm not sure what that drop down does [19:11] we should ask dantti_work [19:11] ok [19:11] Riddell: what should I be asked :P [19:12] dantti_work: we need a patch to change "weekly" to "daily" update [19:12] so users are happy [19:12] dantti_work: what does the drop down box in kpackagekit control for check for updates? [19:12] and they don't ask every time why we have weekly updates instead of daily [19:13] lex79: but cant the users change that themselves ? [19:13] Riddell: It's the gnome power manager thingie. http://imagebin.org/116980 [19:13] i think weekly is good for people with low bandwidths [19:13] think about them :P [19:14] trichard_: weird [19:14] shadeslayer: Does it matter when they have to download the updates? They have to do it eventually. If they stack it up to a week it will only last longer (+ you can change it manually) [19:14] shadeslayer: we do updates already trough apt, this is another matter [19:14] Riddell: that box is to "aptitude update" your list [19:14] trichard_: what does this command give you? grep OnlyShow /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-power-manager.desktop [19:15] Riddell: OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE; [19:15] dantti_work: but what runs that? does kpackagekit run it? [19:15] trichard_: yes, 2 use cases : update your sources daily ( 15 MB * 6 = 90 MB ) and update your sources once a week ( 15MB ) [19:15] trichard_: then it shouldn't start when you log into KDE [19:15] lex79: whut... dont understand [19:16] Riddell: Any way to figure out what does start it then? [19:16] Riddell: yes, the kded module check when was the last time and run [19:17] Riddell: the information is stored in packagekit so if on user checks the updates, the other doesn't do that [19:17] also, in the future it will have an option to don't check when using a mobile internet [19:17] dantti_work: since we already have that with /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic I think we don't want it in packagekit [19:18] Riddell: i think for the above use case it would be interesting [19:18] plus it's more user friendly imo [19:18] yes, but for maverick we need a quick fix [19:18] there is already a GUI in software-properties for it [19:20] Riddell: so you can hide the combo + we need to disable the checking [19:21] yep [19:21] where would we disable the checking in the code? [19:22] Riddell: I think the best place would be in kded, I'm finishing the changelog thing in aptcc (now parsing ubuntu+ lp bugs) [19:22] Riddell: then I can give you a hand on patching kded [19:23] + I'll do a release of kpk today... [19:23] Ohyeah, another minor inconvenience a noticed when i upgraded. My network manager was gone. Probably because knetworkmanager got replaced by the networkmanager plasmoid. But it would be nice to have a networkmanager plasmoid in the systray by default after upgrading i guess [19:24] Riddell: Is something wrong with the kubuntu packages for maverick? [19:25] txwikinger: amd64 had issues [19:25] trichard_: we used the plasmoid for the last release too so the upgrade logic would have been done then [19:27] * Riddell reminds the channel about the free devdays invite Kubuntu got [19:27] Riddell: Ah.. ok.. I just caught those :D [19:27] devdays invite? [19:27] Riddell: Are you sure about that? My laptop still runs Kubuntu 10.04 (with KDE 4.5) and doesn't have the network plasmoid but knetworkmanager [19:27] Qt Dev Days [19:29] Riddell: amazong EC2 is free? [19:29] *amazon [19:29] shadeslayer: No, you pay per hour a system is online [19:30] ah [19:30] and for bandwith [19:31] hmm.. which is better? Droid or the N900 ? [19:32] i wonder if the droid can run maemo ... [19:32] Droid has more applications, N900 can run Qt apps :p [19:32] trichard_: thats what im looking into... can the droid/milestone run maemo [19:33] also.. N900 has FM radio AND transmitter :) [19:33] that's a cool feature for in the car :) (might be a little offtopic though :p) [19:34] google time! :D [19:34] * Tscheesy is a happy n900 user [19:37] strange, pstree shows that gnome-power-man is started directly by init and now by kde-init or any of those [19:37] * txwikinger needs to use gnome to get his work done :( [19:37] now = not [19:37] Tscheesy: is the resistive touchscreen difficult to use? ive used a nokia 5800 and its really bad ( come in #kubuntu-offtopic plz ) [19:38] shadeslayer: its not too bad, quite exact - capazitive would be nicer [19:38] Riddell: btw, imo it would be better to hide the config in sw-properties, for example, a user that uses proxy, sets it on kde, kpackagekit works fine but it won't work with software-properties as far as i can tell [19:39] Tscheesy: N900 or Droid? the more hackable phone [19:39] dantti_work: well we still have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic installed by default so that would just remove a GUI for it [19:40] shadeslayer: i'd say n900.. fore sure.. Droid needs the better HW.. n900 is a bit too weak for droid.. but who wants this? [19:40] dantti_work: which we can change in future but not for maverick [19:40] Tscheesy: droid has the better hardware? [19:40] Riddell: well, i think both could coexist imo [19:41] it would check twice but, it would work for proxied users [19:41] My last issue is that my laptop won't upgrade to maverick. I've filed a bugreport here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/653498. I'm not sure if this is kubuntu specific though as i also have ubuntu-desktop installed [19:41] Launchpad bug 653498 in update-manager "dist-upgrade to kubuntu 10.10RC failed" [Undecided,New] [19:41] shadeslayer: Android needs a snapdragon to run smootly afaik.. [19:41] dantti_work: how? [19:41] *nod* [19:42] Riddell: the way it is now, I could just send you the patch to check daily by default [19:42] Tscheesy: That's correct. I have a 'cheapass' HTC Click/Tattoo and it doesn't run smooth at all [19:42] trichard_: did you have something installed from x swat ppa? [19:43] lex79: Yes, mplayer i think [19:44] lex79: Oops, newer nvidia drivers it seems [19:44] trichard_: I know there is a bug open in launchpad about problems to upgrade if you have some packages installed from x swat ppa [19:44] you have to downgrade the packages before to dist-upgrade to maverick [19:44] Tscheesy: hmm... i like the fact that the droid has a bigger screen [19:44] lex79: Ok, thanks [19:45] trichard_: bug 645064 [19:45] Launchpad bug 645064 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "nvidia-current from Ubuntu-X-Swat PPA is blocking the upgrade from Lucid to Maverick" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645064 [19:45] shadeslayer: i like the slider-kybd Radio-Transmitter, and.. (*pst* - nokia pc-suite) [19:46] * shadeslayer doesnt have Windows [19:46] * Tscheesy @ work.. unfo [19:47] shadeslayer: as i read ... androids kernel can start another - so it shoul be easy to customate [19:48] Tscheesy: yeah i can see alot of posts about N900 dual booting, nothing about Droid tho [19:49] dantti_work: but then it wouldn't be in sync? [19:51] Riddell: yes, they might check for updates twice, or I can add a patch to atpcc to update the file that /etc/apt/...periodic reads [19:53] Riddell: I'm going home now, then I'll finish this changelog patch and discuss this, so that we finish these issues for mav [20:24] arg, after removing the packages from the x-swat ppa i still can't upgrade to 10.10. This time it seems to be kubuntu-desktop that bothers me [20:26] http://ubuntuone.com/p/IbD/ [20:29] trichard_: what mirror are you using? [20:33] Riddell: It seems my desktop is reporting that it's holding packages back so there's probably nothing wrong anymore :) [20:34] Riddell: Is http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/b22aa94e-d6aa-4bf6-9ca3-323433838ebd/toronto_qt_training.html also for free ? [20:35] txwikinger: no don't think so [20:35] * txwikinger does not want to travel to the US === txwikinger is now known as txwikinger_on_gn === txwikinger_on_gn is now known as txwikinger [20:37] * txwikinger wonders how to fix his Kubuntu [20:38] .. or I have to stay on Gnome until maverick works on AMD64 [20:38] Riddell: new kdelibs uploaded :) [20:39] qt apps for N8 ... lol [20:39] doesnt N8 run symbian [20:39] thanks shadeslayer [20:39] txwikinger: what mirror are you using? [20:39] Qt runs on Symbian. [20:39] shadeslayer: hmm now I see you msg about the application laucher, pretty usefull isn't it? [20:40] thats new for me ^ [20:40] dantti: alot! [20:40] Riddell: http://ubuntu.mirror.iweb.ca/ [20:40] there was this survey canonical did .. hold on [20:40] txwikinger: try archive.ubuntu.com [20:40] ok [20:41] Riddell: about the vote, I voted on Serra... [20:42] shadeslayer: the ui is very ugly but.. for the future I can improve it :) [20:43] dantti: dude.. its amazing [20:43] dantti: point 5 : http://design.canonical.com/2010/06/when-new-users-first-encounter-ubuntu-5-show-stoppers/ [20:44] dantti: what's wrong with Dilma ? [20:44] im off to sleep.. cya laterz [20:46]