[00:05] <`RadioMan> .
[00:26] <onewayne> running  ubuntu  8.04 on G5 mac .anyone know other linux that will run on G5
[00:29] <valorie> onewayne: do the command /list mac
[00:29] <valorie> let it refresh for a min, and see all the mac channels
[00:29] <valorie> lots of choices
[00:30] <valorie> your fellow mac users are more likely to know about G5 choices
[00:34] <onewayne> more linux man than mac , i tried yellow for mac dos;nt work
[02:22] <jcgs> hi, i'm using maverick, does anyone know if it's possible to change power management profiles?
[02:24] <jcgs> anyone?
[02:34] <darkdelusions> jcgs you would be better asking in #ubuntu+1
[02:34] <jcgs> datrkdelusions: is there a #kubuntu+1 as well?
[02:38] <darkdelusions> jcgs: its invite only
[02:38] <darkdelusions> so technically no :)
[02:39] <jcgs> darkdelusions: who are the sort of people that get invited?
[02:39] <darkdelusions> Your guess is as good as mine
[03:38] <valorie> \o/, sound is back in youtube!
[03:39] <valorie> did updates today, mostly KDE
[03:39] <valorie> restarted
[03:39] <valorie> :-)
[05:28] <chaaya> question: when i am shutting down the computer, i  see, for just a brief moment, the Gnome desktop -- is it possible that in migrating from gnome to kde, that somehow the gnome desktop is still running underneath?
[05:37] <bambresh> hi
[05:43] <larsjaaa> chaaya: try to search for "splash" in package manager?
[05:51] <chaaya> larsjaaa: on it.. checking
[05:51] <chaaya> nothing matching name splash is installed
[05:52] <chaaya> i thought nautilus provided the desktop
[05:52] <chaaya> but did not see it in ps ux
[05:52] <chaaya> er, the gnome desktop
[06:23] <gbgbgbg_> Hey all is there any issue with chmodding /etc/fstab to 700 so it's only readable by root, or will that cause problems?
[06:25] <chaaya> gbgbgbg_: try it and let us know :-P
[06:28] <gbgbgbg_> I suppose if I try it, run mount -a and that doesn't encounter any issues it should work, since mount runs as root anyway!
[06:29] <chaaya> i'm trying to think of a situation where a nonprivilieged something or other needs to read fstab
[06:30] <chaaya> why don't you want nonprivileged reads?
[06:30] <gbgbgbg_> cifs passwords!
[06:31] <chaaya> is there a fuse module that will support cifs?
[06:31] <gbgbgbg_> mount has the setuid bit set! So even in situations where users are allowed to use mount, the mount command should be able to read fstab, even if it's only readable by root
[06:32] <gbgbgbg_> I think there is, but the most stable version of cifs is non fuse based.
[07:09] <Guest73786> Curti
[08:13] <collabra> ah,... helllltwhodogsranbyondthegreatgrapecrush
[08:15] <collabra> i know you can read these before i can thik theimenhyssel
[08:16] <collabra> and i broke the chain
[08:17] <collabra> too bad that dream didn't come true
[08:17] <collabra> pancrement
[08:18] <collabra> slootyfarallabal
[08:19] <collabra> cerebral
[08:19] <collabra> i meant symmetrical
[08:20] <collabra> not cerebral
[08:21] <collabra> silatecapacitance
[08:23] <collabra> elsi
[08:25] <collabra> why does shadai understand fundamental linguisticsuniversal
[08:27] <collabra> Hrm....
[08:27] <collabra> barricade the doors and dont come out...seriously.
[08:28] <collabra> yah,... to nine of em to subdue his ass.
[08:29] <collabra> parsley saesashinerine
[08:30] <collabra> spam,.... no one in #kubuntu,... sh!t,... spam yourself!
[08:30] <collabra> just befor a long night of data collection....
[08:31] <collabra> toodles... mwah!-)
[09:05] <daniele> ?
[09:11] <lelamal> Hi all, on 1 virtual desktop in my previous installation, I had 1 sticky note (knotes) that I'd like to retrieve. I have a full backup of my old home directory. Does anyone know where are these notes saved, please?
[09:27] <TheKro_> hey.  krunner crashed, and I'm trying to submit a crash report using the assistant.  It told me to install debug symbols, but it couldn't do it automatically.  I went to the site it recommends to explain how to do it manually (http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports#Preparing_your_KDE_packages ), but that doesn't explain how to know which debug package to install.  My trace hits problems at "#6  0x005f
[09:28] <TheKro_> can anyone tell me which debug package to install, and more importantly, how I can find out myself next time?
[09:43] <Mamarok> TheKro_: search for kdebase-workspace-dbg
[09:43] <nico__> zzup ;
[09:45] <TheKro_> Mamarok: that's already installed
[09:55] <TheKro_> so I guess the next step is to give up on reporting the bug then?
[10:01] <Mamarok> no, try to reproduce it
[10:01] <Mamarok> did you re-run the backtrace once the packages were installed?
[10:02] <Mamarok> also, could you please pastebin the result and give the url here?
[10:02] <TheKro_> Mamarok: the packages have been installed before
[10:02] <Mamarok> still, the crash is maybe elsewhere, just paste the backtrace and give me the URL, so I can tell ou :)
[10:02] <Mamarok> you*
[10:02] <TheKro_> Mamarok: i only get the behaviour sometimes when I restart from suspend - i can't reliably reproduce
[10:03] <Mamarok> hm, do you still have the backtrace window open?
[10:03] <TheKro_> i'll paste the backtrace I have in the crash reporting assistant
[10:03] <Mamarok> yes, please, but use pastebin!
[10:04] <TheKro_> Mamarok: http://pastebin.com/0JSJQP8L
[10:04] <Mamarok> hm, segmentation fault, that can be a lot of things
[10:04] <Mamarok> which KDE version do you use?
[10:06] <TheKro_> Mamarok: Platform Version 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2)
[10:08] <Mamarok> TheKro_: you should upgrade, it's likely a bug that is already fixed
[10:08] <TheKro_> Mamarok: what should I upgrade?
[10:10] <Mamarok> TheKro_: KDE, see http://kubuntu.org/news/packages-available-kde-platform-plasma-and-applications-451
[10:14] <TheKro_> Mamarok: I have ppa packages installed for 4.4.2 which fix an unfixed bug in ktimetracker
[10:15] <TheKro_> Mamarok: so upgrading isn't really an option
[10:15] <Mamarok> then you will have to live with the krunner crashes
[10:15] <TheKro_> Mamarok: I don't mind living with them - I just want to report it
[10:15] <TheKro_> Mamarok: and to do that, i need to know which debug symbols package to install
[10:15] <Mamarok> and I tell you it is no use reporting it, since that is already fixed in KDE 4.5.x
[10:16] <TheKro_> Mamarok: ok, thanks
[10:16] <Mamarok> reporting bugs should always be against the latest stable version
[10:17] <TheKro_> Mamarok: in that case, the crash reporting assistant shouldn't pop up if you don't have the latest stable version?
[10:17] <TheKro_> Mamarok: or it should at least tell you that earlier
[10:18] <Mamarok> that would be a good idea to add to Dr. Konqi indeed
[10:19] <Mamarok> but it would have to scan a database for latest stable releases of all packages, a bit much
[10:19] <TheKro_> Mamarok: it could simply refer the user to a database, telling him what version of his package crashed?
[10:21] <TheKro_> Mamarok: so is there a place to make a suggestion/feature request like that?
[10:22] <Mamarok> TheKro_: yes, in bugs.kde.org, product Dr. Konqi
[10:22] <Mamarok> it already reads the version and puts it on top of the backtrace
[10:23] <Mamarok> but the users should also document themselves about the software they use, reading http://kubuntu.org is always a good idea, be it only to know one is not using the latest stable with LTS, as Kubuntu is not a rolling distro
[10:31] <TheKro_> Mamarok: but if you know the version of your package, how do you find out if it's the latest stable or not?
[10:36] <Mamarok> TheKro_: well, as I told you above, also http://dot.kde.org is a good source of information for releases
[10:36] <Mamarok> the current stable is 4.5.1, but 4.5.2 will be released soon
[10:37] <Mamarok> since your version there has been, 4.4.3, 4.4.4 and 4.4.5, then kde 4.5.0, now 4.5.1
[10:40] <TheKro_> Mamarok: but most users don't follow blogs on latest software releases - they just upgrade when the system tells them to (and often not backports, either).  is there no central list of latest stable package versions?
[10:41] <TheKro_> Mamarok: bug for drkonqi submitted, btw
[10:45] <Mamarok> TheKro_: well, at least ou should know that with a 6 months release cycle Kubuntu can hardly be up-to-date with the latest packages after 6 months
[10:46] <Mamarok> and yes, the users should get themselves documented to a minimum, that's how Linux works
[10:46] <Mamarok> everything else is spoon feediung, and I charge for that :)
[10:46] <Mamarok> feeding*
[10:47] <TheKro_> Mamarok: ok, so I'm running lucid, which is <6 months old, and I know my krunner crashed. how do i find out the latest stable version?  Why should I expect that my KDE version should affect my krunner version?
[10:48] <Mamarok> because it is part of kdebase-workspace, and that only gets updated with the whole KDE package
[10:48] <Mamarok> and reading dot.kde.org or kubuntu.org once a week is sufficient to stay informed
[10:50] <TheKro_> Mamarok: so basically, if you don't have the latest KDE (like probably most Ubuntu users), you shouldn't be reporting bugs.  In that case, the crash-reporting assistant is pretty much a misleading waste of most people's time.
[10:50] <TheKro_> since you only have the latest version for about a month after your OS upgrade (if you upgrade immediately on release)
[10:50] <Mamarok> well, most people use the backports PPA :)
[10:51] <TheKro_> Mamarok: ok - i didn't know that
[10:52] <Mamarok> and as I told you, reading the news on http://kubuntu.org keeps you informed
[10:55] <TheKro_> Mamarok: I don't read the news on latex upgrades, i don't read the news on kernel upgrades, i don't read the news on openoffice upgrades - i wait for them to show up as updates.  I wouldn't expect that to be different for KDE.
[10:55] <Mamarok> TheKro_: as you like, but don't be surprised if you miss stuff then
[10:56] <Mamarok> K/Ubuntu is not a rolling ditrso, hence it doesn't upgrade in 6 months
[10:56] <Mamarok> distro*
[10:57] <TheKro_> Mamarok: i'm not surprised, just disappointed.  i'd expect it to be easier for people to report bugs responsibly
[10:57] <Mamarok> LaTeX is rarely upgraded, but I guess you run old kernels, and an old OOo
[10:57] <Mamarok> TheKro_: so what I told you doesn't make it easier? *sigh*
[10:58] <Mamarok> the point of reporting bugs is that we are informed about new bugs, and the users needs to know a bit more than just push a button IMHO since there is often need for additional information.
[10:58] <TheKro_> Mamarok: if making it easier means adding additional sites to my feed reader and trying to keep up with ubuntu news (which isn't necessarily the focus of my work), then yes.
[10:59] <Mamarok> see, I do bug triaging all day long, and most of my time is spent on closing reports as invalid or duplicate because most users don't read even the informations given by Dr. Konqi. It should certainly not be made even easier, this would only add additional work for triagers
[11:00] <TheKro_> Mamarok: in that case, the general populace shouldn't be given a point and click bug reporting wizard?
[11:00] <Mamarok> you get the ehole thing for free and still expect spoon feeding
[11:00] <Mamarok> whole*
[11:00] <Mamarok> it is not point and click, it expects people to read (talking about Dr. Konqi)
[11:00] <TheKro_> Mamarok: if I get a popup suggesting that I report a bug, I try to do so.  I try to follow the instructions and hit a brick wall
[11:01] <Mamarok> since there are things printed on that dialog, not just for decoration
[11:01] <TheKro_> Mamarok: i'm just trying to explain how one can reduce the impact of/eliminate the brick wall
[11:01] <Mamarok> you didn't hit a brick wall, I gave you all the information you were asking for. That chapter is closed for me, sorry. Better things to do
[11:02] <TheKro_> Mamarok: and if the approach is: you need to follow all the Ubuntu news, you're cutting out a lot of the people you're giving the crash report wizard to
[11:02] <Mamarok> there are news every 3 weeks at most, come on!
[11:02] <TheKro_> Mamarok: coming to IRC was to try solve the brick wall - i'm not blaming your help
[11:03] <TheKro_> Mamarok: dot.kde - 10 posts in september
[11:04] <Mamarok> two about new releases
[11:04] <Mamarok> hence twice in a month
[11:04] <TheKro_> Mamarok: please don't think I'm attacking/blaming you.  I'm just trying to suggest how things could be easier, and asking if such things exist that I don't know about
[11:05] <Mamarok> well, you expect me to do all the work, with you dpoing nothing, that's not how Free Software works
[11:05] <TheKro_> Mamarok: not at all
[11:05] <Mamarok> doing*
[11:05] <TheKro_> Mamarok: i'm spending my time reporting the bugs, having this discussion, and if I knew how, I might even get more involved
[11:06] <Mamarok> reading a post takes 1 minute, so 10 minutes a month seems to be asking too much
[11:06] <Mamarok> well, to get more involved you need to be better documented, hence reading the news I told you
[11:06] <TheKro_> Mamarok: 10 minutes for me is not too much, but 10 minutes for every kubuntu user, when you don't even tell them to do it when they install, is perhaps a bit much
[11:06] <Mamarok> reporting more bugs is not the point, making better bug reports is
[11:07] <TheKro_> Mamarok: I intend to subscribe to your feeds
[11:07] <Mamarok> during the installation there is plenty of ressources indicated
[11:07] <Mamarok> but since people don't read...
[11:07] <Mamarok> http://kubuntu.org is given as the main point of information during installation
[11:08] <Mamarok> anyway, I think this discussion is going nowhere
[11:08] <TheKro_> Mamarok: thanks for your time
[11:08] <Mamarok> TheKro_: you are welcome :)
[11:57] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. short question:  usually there is a shadow on the kde panel...  but I do not have one..  any idea on this? (I have effects turned on etc...)
[12:35] <Peace-> howlymowly: can you make a screenshot?
[12:43] <howlymowly> Peace-: in #kde they just told me this is a known bug, when turning plasma-effects on/off
[12:45] <Peace-> howlymowly: perfet
[12:45] <Peace-> perfect
[13:01] <lieuwe[kubuntu]> any idea on how i can get Kate to fold python code propperly?
[13:49] <lieuwe> this is probably the wrong place to ask, but #kaffeine seems dead, i've been trying to get my tv-tuner to work for a while now, but kaffeine can't find any channels, it does give 50% signal, but 0% signal-to-noise, any idea what i'm doing wrong?
[13:55] <eMyller> 'lo, fellas; i got two monitors and i need lvds to work as absolute and vga1 to work on its right
[13:56] <eMyller> but the config doesnt allow me to do that; it forces me to set vga1 as absolute always
[13:56] <eMyller> ...and that's sad.
[15:40] <sebersole> i am having problems with vpn access (vpnc) and kubuntu.  with networkmanager it just seems nothing happens, I am not able to connect at all.  i tried kvpnc and am able to connect, but it does not set up dns properly
[15:40] <sebersole> so first, which should I be using?
[15:41] <sebersole> i searched for vpnc and dns issues and it found lots of hits, but they all seemed to point to old networkmanager issues
[15:42] <sebersole> sorry, kvpnc and dns issues...
[15:42] <dasKreech> what's your DNS under kvpnc?
[15:43] <sebersole> where would i see that?
[15:45] <sebersole> dasKreech: where would i see that?
[15:53] <LordOfDragons> hi there
[15:54] <LordOfDragons> somebody around knowing about the intel pro wireless (crap)3945ABG?
[15:54] <LordOfDragons> i'm trying to get a laptop running with this crap and it just ain't working
[15:54] <LordOfDragons> kubuntu 10.04 finds the device and shows it under the network icon in the notifier area
[15:55] <LordOfDragons> it also shows access points of neighbors
[15:55] <LordOfDragons> but it utterly fails to connect to my AP which is hidden
[15:55] <LordOfDragons> let's say the ESSID is XYZ
[15:55] <sagaci> the RC is looking good
[15:55] <LordOfDragons> if i force the ESSID using iwconfig and check it back later on the ESSID is total crap
[15:56] <LordOfDragons> looks totally gibberish with like 100 characters long full of backslashes and other crap
[15:56] <LordOfDragons> is the driver in kubuntu broken for that chip?
[16:06] <Aleksandr_Rudy> bla bla bla
[16:28] <BluesKaj> howdy
[17:00] <Terranim> I'm testing out maverick on another machine at the moment and an update today has broken some dependencies I think. kdebase-workspace-bin has been removed, which has of course broken KDE, but when I try and install it I get:
[17:00] <Terranim> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[17:00] <Terranim>  kdebase-workspace-bin : Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu7) but 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8 is to be installed
[17:00] <Terranim> Anyone else seen the same problem?
[17:00] <FloodBotK1> Terranim: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:03] <DarthFrog> Terranim: That's the kind of small detail that gets overlooked initially when a big upgrade is done.  It may just reflect the lag in the devs uploading the packages to the repos.  report it as a bug, if you wish.
[17:04] <Terranim> yeah, I figured it might be. I'll run an update later and see if it's been fixed, only worth reporting if it persists I guess. Thanks
[17:24] <ahox> hi, what is the best way to do booklet printing under kde? There used to be a nice booklet printing in kde3 days, but I am not able to find it anymore. Any ideas?
[17:31] <adminpc> hi
[18:43] <nerdy_kid> amarok screwed up and started 206 jobs on me! is there any way to kill them all? (beside clicking them all)  I tried restarting and everything and they are still there.
[19:33] <PasNox> Hi
[19:33] <PasNox> nepomuk / soprano is making my dolphin too much instable - often freezing, many crash
[19:33] <PasNox> i'm tired
[19:33] <PasNox> how i can desinstall of things relatied to it ?
[19:34] <Alexia_Death> just disable it
[19:34] <Alexia_Death> there is a page in settings for that. I think it was unde advanced.
[19:34] <Alexia_Death> I disabled mine.
[19:35] <PasNox> i disabled too
[19:35] <Alexia_Death> It was torturing my cpu and consuming almost 4GB of space in my home folder.
[19:35] <PasNox> but i style have crash related too nepomuk / soprano in dolphin
[19:35] <PasNox> and still lagging / freezing
[19:36] <PasNox> i also delete the virtuoso db generated by it
[19:37] <Alexia_Death> PasNox: Disabling was enough to make it stop pestering me... Have you rebooted since disabling it?
[19:37] <PasNox> not yet
[19:37] <PasNox> i will try in some minute - have to finish a task
[19:37] <PasNox> thanks
[19:38] <Alexia_Death> If you havent rebooted it's probably simply still running. the enable/disable just removes it from startup afaik.
[19:40] <PasNox> oki
[19:50] <zubatac> ciao
[19:51] <Peace-> zubatac: hi
[20:16] <mvk> i just updated my maverick install
[20:16] <mvk> but now all i see, after rebooting - is a terminal login
[20:16] <mvk> i verified the dmesg/ Xorg0.log -> but there are not errors in there
[20:17] <mvk> is there something fishy in the last updates? (i already tried reinstalling graphics drivers.. but no result, they load fine anyhow)????
[20:20] <mvk> i cannot use my computer anymore now
[20:20] <Pici> mvk: Maverick support is in #ubuntu+1
[20:20] <mvk> is there a way to check all logs for errors trough the console?
[20:20] <mvk> Pici: im using K(de)buntu
[20:21] <Pici> mvk: And #ubuntu+1 is still the place for all variants of Maverick.
[20:21] <mvk> ahhhh k thanks
[20:25] <pawleeq> hello
[20:25] <djomgg> hallo
[20:26] <djomgg> do u have u r Q?
[20:26] <djomgg> are u just like 2 say hi :)
[20:26] <pawleeq> Hello Gimp and other GTK apps are in making annoying sound like "tok" when pressing ctrl, how can I get rid of it?
[20:27] <djomgg> sound like what ?
[20:28] <pawleeq> djomgg, like knocking on wood...
[20:28] <djomgg> err sound ore hardware sound u now
[20:28] <djomgg> :)
[20:28] <pawleeq> and I do not want to switch off my speakers :)
[20:28] <djomgg> :) 1 min
[20:29] <djomgg> what system do u have
[20:29] <djomgg> kubuntu 10.04 right ?
[20:29] <pawleeq> Kubuntu 10.04, KDE 4.5.1
[20:31] <djomgg> u now what ask ppl inside the ubuntu support irc
[20:31] <djomgg> i now noẗ match off help
[20:31] <djomgg> sorry ..
[20:32] <pawleeq> ok
[20:32] <pawleeq> never mind
[20:32] <djomgg> is not easy to help whit out any bug list info
[20:32] <BluesKaj> pawleeq,  suystem settings/notifications/manage/ check no sounds
[20:35] <pawleeq> BluesKaj, in Players settings I can check No audio output, but that disables sounds of all notifications right?
[20:36] <BluesKaj> pawleeq, it should...not sure about gtk , but it's worth a try
[20:36] <pawleeq> BluesKaj, checkech, applied, Gimp stil knocks :/
[20:37] <BluesKaj> pawleeq, do you have gnome installed as well ?
[20:37] <pawleeq> BluesKaj, yes
[20:37] <pawleeq> BluesKaj, and Gimp shuts up there
[20:38] <BluesKaj> then relogin to gnome and find the equivalent settings
[20:38] <BluesKaj> maybe gimp has a n option to turn sounds off
[20:38] <pawleeq> BluesKaj, perhaps gconf clould help...
[20:42] <pawleeq> BluesKaj, Gimp does not have that option and gconf is a bit creepy with its tree structure
[20:47] <BluesKaj> pawleeq, gconf ?
[20:47] <pawleeq> BluesKaj, gconf-editor
[20:51] <BluesKaj> ok pawleeq , try gconf-editor/gnome sounds/enable_esd , uncheck that , see it it works ...I have my sound setup turned off atm
[20:54] <pawleeq> BluesKaj, it works, thank you  very much, you saved my nerves ... and hardware :)
[21:02] <aristide> ciao a tutti
[21:02] <Pici> !it | aristide
[21:02] <rork> hi
[21:14] <Bladegash> I don't know if this is a frequently happening thing, but I upgraded to kubuntu 10.10 rc just now and lost sound after the upgrade. Checked volume, mp3 packages etc.  The only playback device in system settings is "internal audio analog stereo", it's as if my audio hardware isn't recognized at all. Any ideas where to start looking?
[21:16] <Suchiman> Bladegash the sound system has changed to pulseaudio, had the same problem. I've uninstalled pulseaudio and restarted system. Alsa was Working proberly again after restart and sound works again
[21:17] <Bladegash> Suchiman: ok, thanks, that sounds like something I can try
[21:18] <Suchiman> np
[21:18] <cuznt> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0640, should be 0440
[21:18] <cuznt> help on that pls
[21:22] <crackstore> hye all
[21:22] <crackstore> any sofware for shoutcast in kubuntu?
[21:26] <Suchiman> Know anyone how i can disable my touchpad automatically if i plug-in my external USB mouse ? manually its possible by executing synclient touchpadoff=1 ; This is my Mouse http://suchiman.selfip.org/maus.jpeg
[21:30] <Bladegash> Suchiman: that did the trick indeed, thanks
[21:30] <Bladegash> Hope it get s fixed for the final release, or at least a mention high up in the faq
[21:31] <crackstore> anyone know how to setup shoutcast in kubuntu?
[21:36] <PasNox> Alexia_Death: i restarted computter, and dolphin still free/lag/crash :(
[21:36] <PasNox> the probleme is that it does not generate a "good" backtrace for reporting a bug
[21:36] <Alexia_Death> install some dev packages for QT
[21:37] <Alexia_Death> build-dep-s for dolphin should quarantee good trace.
[21:39] <PasNox> i already installed nearly all kde dbg package
[21:39] <PasNox> Alexia_Death: it's still not create a good bt :(
[21:39] <PasNox> damn
[21:40] <PasNox> it seem the bugs comes from dolphin file preview / tooltip
[21:40] <PasNox> the big blue tooltip
[21:40] <PasNox> i will try to deactivate it
[21:41] <PasNox> wow
[21:41] <PasNox> even just click configuration menu freeze dolphin ...
[21:41] <PasNox> it was not doing that before i do the last upgrade of kde / qt 4.7
[21:43] <olskolirc> i want to upgrade to lucid and every time I do that, I lose X and can't login and have to reinstall back to Karmic to be safe :-( how can I upgrade to lucid without losing X please?
[21:43] <PasNox> install from scratch / fresh iso ?
[21:43] <PasNox> upgrade are fucking things - for all os.
[21:44] <IdleOne> !language | PasNox
[21:44] <Alexia_Death> PasNox: I had an ubuntu install that started as I think edgy and went on upgrading all the way to karmic
[21:44] <olskolirc> ok ill do that then
[21:44] <Alexia_Death> PasNox: But it did take some handholding on some upgrades.
[21:45] <PasNox> Alexia_Death: most of the time i try to upgrade, my system is slow or upgrade break many things - i'm tired of that and now each time a major release is out, i format all except my home partition
[21:45] <Alexia_Death> olskolirc: You can burn the iso, then try an upgrade again. If it doesnt work, just reinstall.
[21:46] <olskolirc> Alexia_Death, can I drag and drop the iso to a flash drive and install it that way or does it require a "burn"?
[21:46] <PasNox> u can try to create an usb stick
[21:46] <PasNox> so u don't have to burn it
[21:46] <Alexia_Death> olskolirc: You cant install like that
[21:46] <olskolirc> way cool PasNox
[21:46] <olskolirc> oh ok Alexia_Death so PasNox how do i usb stickit?
[21:46] <olskolirc> lol
[21:46] <PasNox> use software
[21:46] <PasNox> let me find again the name :D
[21:47] <olskolirc> thanks PasNox
[21:47] <James147> !liveusb
[21:47] <Alexia_Death> olskolirc: creating a flash drive is a separate process. there is a guide for it somewhere in ubuntu docs. Look it
[21:47] <Alexia_Death> aah:)
[21:48] <James147> eaiset way is to use usb-creator-kde from kubuntu or unetbootin from another distro/windwos
[21:48] <PasNox> unetbootin exactly this one
[21:48] <PasNox> easy and working
[21:48] <PasNox> + it's already packaged
[21:48] <Alexia_Death> I used unetbootin in ubuntu even I think...
[21:48] <PasNox> dunno if available for karmic
[21:49] <PasNox> James147: if i recall, usb-creator-kde is just creating a boot on the usb for booting cd rom ?
[21:49] <PasNox> or it des exactly what does unetbootin ?
[21:49] <James147> usb-creator creates a live usb from an iso
[21:50] <PasNox> ah ok, great ;)
[21:50] <olskolirc> whats the alternate x86 about whats the diff between regular meerkat iso?
[21:51] <James147> x86 is for 32bit compuiters
[21:51] <James147> (will also run on 64bit ones)
[21:51] <olskolirc> whats alternate James147
[21:51] <James147> maverick (meerkat) is the next release of kubuntu (current is lucid) which is due in a few days
[21:52] <olskolirc> thats what "alternate" install means James147 ?
[21:52] <James147> olskolirc: the alternitive disk is a installer for older/unusual computers.... its a fully text baised isntaller that tends to be used when the live version dosent work
[21:53] <James147> I would suggest you try the live version, and only use the alternitive if the live dosnt work
[21:53] <olskolirc> ok way cool James147 and has anyone had any problems with PVR 150 card scrambling the tv display with vlc on Meerkat?
[21:54] <James147> olskolirc: I have no clue :) you might want to ask on #ubuntu+1 (maverick support untill its released)
[21:55] <olskolirc> thanks James147
[22:01] <sebersole> is the general recommendation for vpn to use networkmanager or kvpnc?
[22:01] <olskolirc> where is the women channel of kubuntu i forgot
[22:31] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  short silver_hookuestion:  in earlier version of  plasma desktop than 4.5 it was possible to manually remove widgets from the add-widgetsdialog.  is this somehow possible now?  because I have two crashed widgets which do not show up anymore, thus I can not remove them...
[22:57] <scott__> hello
[23:02] <crackstore> hye all
[23:02] <crackstore> how to find audio group?
[23:04] <crackstore> hello
[23:04] <crackstore> anyone here?
[23:04] <octanitrocubane> hi
[23:04] <djustice> crackstore: 'groups'? kuser?
[23:05] <djustice> 'kdesu kuser' ofc.
[23:05] <crackstore> Your system has an audio group, but you are not a member of it.
[23:05] <crackstore> Please add yourself to the audio group by executing (as root):
[23:05] <crackstore> what that mean?
[23:05] <djustice> crackstore: means run 'kdesu kuser', find you user, configure it's groups, and check 'audio'
[23:06] <djustice> i have no idea why your user isnt in the audio group... pretty sure it is...
[23:06] <crackstore> ok.. so how to set it?
[23:06] <crackstore> i want to setup idjc for my laptop :)
[23:06] <crackstore> but cannot run it because of that prob
[23:06] <djustice> btw: all newbs reading this: -never- 'sudo kdeapp'. it leaves bad permissioned files behind. 'kdesu kdeapp' instead.
[23:06] <djustice> crackstore: i dont know what that is.. but i just told you.
[23:07] <djustice> [22:05] <djustice> crackstore: means run 'kdesu kuser', find you user, configure it's groups, and check 'audio'
[23:07] <crackstore> how tu run kdesu kuser?
[23:07] <crackstore> i mean how to find that
[23:09] <crackstore> @@
[23:09] <crackstore> how to configure groups?
[23:09] <crackstore> in file system?
[23:10] <crackstore> hrllo
[23:10] <crackstore> hello
[23:11] <crackstore> anyone can help me.. plz..
[23:11] <crackstore> huhuhu
[23:15] <crackstore> how to set the group?
[23:17] <crackstore> @@
[23:33] <darkdelusions> You should just beable to click on settings>Advanced>user managment
[23:33] <dasKreech> crackstore: Hello
[23:33] <dasKreech> want the long way or the short way?
[23:38] <darkdelusions> its n
[23:38] <darkdelusions> oops