[00:01] <penguin42> donri: Hmm curious, there are still quite a few things at 2.30
[00:01] <donri> Will they be updated before final release?
[00:04] <ckwalsh> In 10.10, did the behavior of the mysql root account change? I cannot login using it anymore, and the MySQL docs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset didn't help
[00:04] <yfoel> donri: as final freeze is gone I seriously doubt it, they probably have their reason for it
[00:05] <donri> :/
[00:05] <penguin42> yfoel: It's surprising the same is true of gnome-panel
[00:06] <yofel> you'll have to ask in -desktop then I fear, as I don't track gnome anyomre
[00:07] <yofel> *anymore
[00:07] <ckwalsh> Hrm, got it fixed, but still doesn't explain why the password was changed without my knowledge in the first place
[00:09]  * yofel can login to mysql fine
[00:09] <kpoman> hi ! it worked ! it installed fine now !
[00:12] <kpoman> guys, what was the name of that excellent 3d effects for the desktop ???
[00:12] <BUGabundo> compiz and kwin
[00:12] <BUGabundo> depending on what WM you are using
[00:14] <kpoman> i am using the default one
[00:14] <kpoman> gnome i gues
[00:14] <kpoman> s
[00:14] <BUGabundo> compiz it is
[00:14] <BUGabundo> install CCSM for extra control of effects
[00:14] <BUGabundo> !ccsm
[00:14] <kpoman> and how do I install the ati accelerated graphics ?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> !ati
[00:15]  * BUGabundo hugs ubottu
[00:16] <Ian_corne> matrox :D
[00:17] <penguin42> haven't used one of those for awhile
[00:28] <donri> How do I start indicator-datetime?
[00:30] <kpoman> guys just another generic question: how do I create a partition on a logical partition ? see basically my hard disk got: sda1=winxp, sda2=boot, sda3=swap, sda4=ubuntu root, ... I still have 200GB of free space, however fdisk wont let me do thing on it :( wtf ???
[00:30] <kpoman> I just want to creat e a shared space for both operating systems !!!
[00:30] <penguin42> kpoman: Ah
[00:31] <penguin42> kpoman: You need to create an extended partition in which the new logical partitions live (or is it the other way around)
[00:31] <Vbits> there seams to be a issue with my window borders, i can change and see them in Apperence fine though the buttons are on the wrong side and any other window fills the screen
[00:31] <penguin42> kpoman: So delete one (e.g. swap) and then create an extended partition and then it should let you create a swap and another one
[00:32] <kpoman> penguin42: can I delete swap just like that ?
[00:32] <penguin42> kpoman: If you're using it it's probably best to do a swapoff -a  first :-)
[00:32] <Vbits> anyone
[00:33] <penguin42> kpoman: And you'll need to fixup /etc/fstab when you recreate it
[00:35] <kpoman> penguin42: see here, it kinda sucks:
[00:35] <penguin42> kpoman: Yeh PC partition does!
[00:35] <donri> The play controls in sound-menu gets a theme-incompatible background, known bug?
[00:36] <kpoman> penguin42: it says unusable :( wtf
[00:36] <kpoman> http://pastebin.com/LydU6muc
[00:36] <kpoman> see, sda1=winxp, sda2 was deleted
[00:37] <kpoman> oops, sda2 = boot
[00:37] <Vbits> for the record i did a upgrade to 10.10 using update-manager -d
[00:37] <penguin42> kpoman: Oops
[00:37] <penguin42> kpoman: That's not the layout you described
[00:37] <kpoman> sda3 donno what is that
[00:37] <kpoman> penguin42: yeah, i just deleted my swap then tried creating an extended one
[00:37] <kpoman> it is the updated layout
[00:37] <kpoman> I think i failed somehow
[00:37] <kpoman> sda5 is the shared one
[00:38] <penguin42> kpoman: sda3 is the holder that allows you to have more partitions, i.e. 5 is probably one of the ones inside 3
[00:38] <penguin42> kpoman: You should be able to create more as well
[00:38] <kpoman> this is actually the new layout
[00:38] <kpoman> http://pastebin.com/g8cZit9C
[00:39] <kpoman> quite strange uh
[00:39] <kpoman> why does it say unusable ?
[00:39]  * penguin42 much prefered the fdisk out put!
[00:39] <kpoman> hehh sure me too,
[00:39] <kpoman> but it differs, unusable == wtf ??
[00:39] <Ken8521> kpoman, what were you trying to make it the swap?
[00:40] <kpoman> i dont know, in general one would need a swap right ? i just killed my swap to allow creating a shared partition for both os
[00:40] <Ken8521> kpoman, what were you trying to do w/ that 2gig unusuable?
[00:40] <Ken8521> kpoman, did you make it primary or logical? cuz i thinkt here's a limit of 3 primary partitions.
[00:40] <kpoman> that 2g unusable was my swap, i smashed it to allow creating a shared win/linux folder
[00:41] <Ken8521> ok..
[00:41] <Ken8521> whats the .64?
[00:41] <kpoman> there were 4 primary ones, and that was preventing me from creating extended ones ... then I killed the swap one
[00:41] <Ken8521> i see
[00:41] <kpoman> where is that .64 ?
[00:41] <Ken8521> you don't see where it says ".64 unusable"
[00:42] <kpoman> then created a new one, this time extended
[00:42] <penguin42> bah don't worry about .64 :-)
[00:42] <kpoman> oh yes ! i dont know what is that :p
[00:42] <Ken8521> lol
[00:42] <kpoman> the installer did put that junk there
[00:42] <penguin42> kpoman: So if you create a new one of say 1990 does it use that apparently unusable space?
[00:42] <kpoman> is it pron ? :D
[00:42] <kpoman> lol
[00:42] <Ken8521> well what happens when you make the 2gig unusable, a logical swap?
[00:43] <kpoman> I dont know why I got that unusable thing .. I would be happy if I could recreate my swap there as a extended one
[00:43] <penguin42> kpoman: So what happens if you try to create a new one?
[00:44] <Vbits> what should i do if i am missing xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[00:44] <penguin42> Vbits: You don't need it
[00:44] <Ken8521> kpoman, you should be able to i would think
[00:44] <penguin42> kpoman: OK, I think I see whats happened
[00:44] <penguin42> kpoman: There are two separate things you are dealing with; slots in the partition table and chunks of space
[00:44] <Vbits> penguin42 also my window borders are missing, is that a related issue
[00:45] <penguin42> kpoman: You're chunks of space go sda1, sda2, GAP, sda4, <sda3:extended containing: sda5 >
[00:46] <kpoman> I cant, I just have unusable space !
[00:46] <kpoman> it doesnt even show me the create option
[00:46] <penguin42> kpoman: So deleting swap gave you a spare slot that let you create the extended, but becasuse it had a chunk of space free that wasn't in one block it can't be int he extended
[00:46] <kpoman> penguin42: what should I do to solve the issue ?
[00:47] <kpoman> qtparted?  :(
[00:47] <penguin42> kpoman: Hmm
[00:47] <kpoman> booting from a livecd ?
[00:47] <kpoman> :(
[00:47] <penguin42> kpoman: It's tricky, the free space is in an annoying position
[00:47] <kpoman> oops
[00:48] <kpoman> can I just move the sda2 to eat at least the first unusable junk ?
[00:48] <Vbits> any help with my window borders issue
[00:48] <penguin42> kpoman: You could make sda2 bigger, but if that's your /boot it's not much help
[00:48] <kpoman> then move the sda3 to closer position ?
[00:49] <kpoman> penguin42: I just left it with 1G
[00:49] <penguin42> kpoman: Yeh you don't need any bigger
[00:50] <penguin42> kpoman: If I was doing it I would probably try something gross but evil that might be a bit dangerous
[00:50] <penguin42> ooh I can see a way out of this - not particularly nice, but easy
[00:51] <kpoman> tell me please ! just want an elegant hard drive
[00:51] <kpoman> it is messed up right now
[00:51] <penguin42> kpoman: OK, go for it - grow /boot to fill the blank space, then resize the /boot so it uses it, then create a swap file in /boot - weird, but it'll work
[00:51] <penguin42> kpoman: And next time think about your partition layout first!
[00:52] <Vbits> my window borders are a big issue some help would be very nice thank you
[00:52] <kpoman> penguin42: I just thought I could do this thing :( create an extended
[00:52] <penguin42> kpoman: Yeh, extendededs are great if you know you need one first
[00:53] <kpoman> penguin42: ok so how do I proceed, do I dd something to a file in /boot ? then mkswap of it ? then alter the fstab ?
[00:54] <kpoman> and how do I prevent /boot/swapfile from being accessible before it tries to mount it ?
[00:54] <penguin42> kpoman: Unmount /boot, resize it in fdisk/cfdisk to use the space up, use resize2fs to resize the filesystem, mount /boot, create a swap file in there with dd, mkswap it, and then add that to fstab as swap - easy right?
[00:54] <penguin42> kpoman: Or just say sod it, 2GB of space lost
[00:55] <kpoman> oops, how can I resize on fdisk ? I do know gparted ...
[00:56] <penguin42> use gparted then, just make sure you don't lose /boot - you might want to take a copy, but remember to run update-grub when you are done
[00:56] <DJAshnar> Use GPARTED
[00:56] <DJAshnar> :)
[00:56] <kpoman> wow gparted is buggy ! it dies when launching it
[00:57] <kpoman> http://pastebin.com/jA88n2SL
[00:57] <kpoman> wtf gparted !
[00:59] <kpoman> penguin42: how do I resize on fdisk ?
[00:59] <kpoman> i dont find an option for that
[01:00] <kpoman> sorry for laming here
[01:00] <kpoman> :(
[01:00] <penguin42> sorry, can't remember off the top of my head, I'd have to try it on something
[01:00] <penguin42> it might be a delete/recreate which won't actually delete the data if you are very careful
[01:00] <Vbits> penguin42 what would cause unity style borders in gnome
[01:01] <penguin42> kpoman: Look, this is something that you probably don't want to do unless you know how to get out of it!
[01:01] <donri> The play controls in sound-menu gets a theme-incompatible background, known bug?
[01:03] <donri> Is there a way to see where an installed package came from? I had light-themes from a PPA in Lucid, how would update-manager -d handle that?
[01:03] <donri> Maverick light-themes in Lucid, that is
[01:04] <kpoman> penguin42: let me try with parted (cli)
[01:08] <kpoman> penguin42: Ok i copied the contents of boot to somewhere, deleted it, enlarged it, then re mkfs.ext2 it... now I try to mount it but obviously the UUID changed. How do I know the new UUID of the sda2 ?
[01:09] <penguin42> oh you deleted it - gulp!
[01:09] <penguin42> kpoman: OK, try blkid /dev/sda2
[01:09] <kpoman> penguin42: yeah, and recreated it for 3G now !
[01:09] <penguin42> ok, DONT REBOOT
[01:10] <kpoman> cool it worked
[01:10] <kpoman> no I wont !
[01:10] <kpoman> I just copy back the files there
[01:10] <kpoman> let me copy them
[01:10] <penguin42> kpoman: Grub will be kind of screwed - I'd try an update-grub which might update stuff but I wouldn't be 100% sure
[01:11] <kpoman> penguin42: it is quite strange. fdisk tells me it is 3GB, however I did mount it and df -h told me it was still 999MB
[01:11] <penguin42> kpoman: Ah, that's because you need to resize2fs it
[01:11] <penguin42> kpoman: You resized the box, not the balloon in it
[01:11] <kpoman> penguin42: but I killed and recreated the fs !
[01:11] <kpoman> I did mkfs.ext2 !!!
[01:11] <penguin42> oh
[01:12] <penguin42> kpoman: I'm guessing that it didn't reread the partiton table?
[01:12] <kpoman> penguin42: how do I force him to do that ?
[01:12] <kpoman> killall devfs ? =P
[01:12] <penguin42> yeuch, if it hasn't done this is going to get very very messy; devfs won't help
[01:12] <penguin42> pastebin fdisk -l please
[01:13] <kpoman> http://pastebin.com/qMT0Tn14
[01:14] <kpoman> did I do all that sh#t ? :D
[01:14] <penguin42> ok, grep sda2 /proc/partitons
[01:15] <kpoman>    8        2     975872 sda2
[01:15] <kpoman> it is old
[01:15] <kpoman> :(
[01:16] <penguin42> kpoman: try hdparm -z /dev/sda
[01:17] <penguin42> kpoman: It's probably at this point realising how nice your installation was previously and how 2G of missing space wasn't that bad
[01:17] <kpoman> device or ressource busy
[01:17] <kpoman> :(
[01:18] <penguin42> kpoman: If you're really really really lucky, copying stuff back to your new /boot, and running update-grub might give you something that will boot
[01:20] <kpoman> I just tried a bad command and cant see the result from blkid
[01:20] <kpoman> ran partprobe /dev/sda
[01:21] <penguin42> hmm reasonable
[01:22] <kpoman> ll /dev/sda* gave me all but sda2
[01:22] <kpoman> so went back to cfdisk, deleted and recreated it ... still no signs of it
[01:23] <penguin42> kpoman: So, have you got a rescue CD?
[01:23]  * penguin42 will be shocked if you don't need it
[01:27] <mark2010> penguin42: been doing research on grub2. says don't edit grub.cfg cuz every update or new kernel will over right file. suggests edit etc/grub.d/40_custom. you know about this?
[01:27] <BUGabundo> nite guys
[01:27] <penguin42> mark2010: If possible just edit /etc/default/grub
[01:28] <mark2010> that didn't work for the white screen prob
[01:28] <mark2010> the grub.cfg did however
[01:28] <penguin42> mark2010: It should, if it doesn't then need to figure out why
[01:30] <mark2010> we tried adding nomodeset to the linux_command portion but didn't work. just wondering if the grub.d custom would be better as that file is not over written on updates
[01:31] <penguin42> mark2010: It's the whole point of '/etc/default/grub is for small parameter changes
[01:31] <mark2010> just wondering
[01:31] <mark2010> ok
[01:41] <kpoman> cool it works :p
[01:44] <kpoman> did: dd if=/dev/zero of=/boot/swapfile bs=1024 count=2097152; mkswap /boot/swapfile; swapon /boot/swapfile
[01:45] <kpoman> then edited /etc/fstab and put it to /boot/swapfile
[01:45] <kpoman> let me reboot again see if it worked
[01:47] <kpoman> ok everything is working ! nice
[01:48] <kpoman> are you still there ?
[01:50] <penguin42> yep
[01:51] <penguin42> kpoman: See, it just proves that you can get out of almost any type of screwup with Linux!
[01:53] <Luke> is there a way to get the Ubuntu monospace font?
[01:53] <Luke> i can't seem to find it
[01:53] <cdwillis> just installed the rc, but i can't find the global menu applet package. did the name change?
[01:53] <sinistrad> Hi, is there a way to get Direct Rendering operational in 10.10? I'm using an nVidia 260 GTX
[01:56] <Vbits> i have a virus
[01:58] <Ken8521> Vbits, a virus?
[02:00] <Vbits> maximus will not die
[02:01] <Vbits> it just took my entire desktop with it when i killed it
[02:02] <Vbits> i just killed it and it restarted x
[02:02] <Vbits> Ken8521, how can i switch the side the close button is on
[02:02] <Ken8521> Vbits, are they on the left?
[02:03] <Vbits> Ken8521 yes
[02:04] <Vbits> also my right click is not workingh
[02:04] <Ken8521> Vbits, pretty sure this will still work on 10.10.. but i like them on the left..  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[02:06] <Vbits> working now
[02:06] <Ken8521> it's a miracle
[02:06] <Ken8521> lol
[02:06] <Vbits> about the right click, i am using a netbook with one big touchpad
[02:07] <Ken8521> ok.
[02:07] <Vbits> it is not working
[02:07] <Ken8521> and th etouch pad is not right clicking?
[02:07] <Vbits> correct
[02:07] <Ken8521> ok.
[02:07] <Ken8521> i'm not on my laptop right now, but lets start with system/preferences/mouse  and the touchpad tab
[02:08] <Vbits> the first 2 are on and the secound on scrolling as well
[02:09] <Ken8521> ok
[02:09] <Ken8521> go to the general tab
[02:09] <Ken8521> and try right clicking the lightbulb
[02:09] <Ken8521> see if it lights up
[02:09] <deac0n> anyone having issues when pluging in a iphone to usb port the file manger keeps on opening up till you unplug from usb thne they all disappear ?
[02:10] <Ken8521> brb Vbits
[02:10] <Vbits> Ken8521 yes
[02:11] <Ken8521> Vbits, ok, so if the lightbulb is lighting up when you right click
[02:11] <Ken8521> then right click is wrking
[02:11] <Ken8521> it's a connfiguration issue
[02:12] <Vbits> how can i fix it
[02:12] <Ken8521> well, that sanother issue i don't now..lol
[02:12] <Ken8521> just saying, right click is definitely working
[02:13] <Vbits> when i rightclick on the desktop nothing shows
[02:13] <Ken8521> Vbits, did you install netbook edition?
[02:13] <Vbits> yes
[02:13] <Ken8521> looks like no right click is a "feature"
[02:14] <Vbits> it was never a issue with 10.04, i used update-manager -d to update
[02:14] <Ken8521> well, wha tit was in 10.04 is irrelevant
[02:14] <Ken8521> it was an intentional change apparently
[02:15] <Vbits> is it built into the kernal or driver
[02:15] <Tekno> tit
[02:16] <Ken8521> i have no idea..
[02:17] <Ken8521> Vbits, is it just not letting you right click th etop panel, or not right click anywhere?
[02:17] <Vbits> it is acting like the right click is a left click
[02:18] <Ken8521> ok, dumb question, is left click acting like a right?
[02:18] <Vbits> no it is normal
[02:19] <sinistrad> Anything I can do to get DRI enabled with my nVidia card?
[02:20] <Ken8521> Vbits, i'm really not sure...it's obviously a configuration issue.. not a hardware issue.
[02:20] <Ken8521> Vbits, what does left click do, same as right?
[02:20] <Vbits> correct
[02:22] <Ken8521> Vbits, unfortunately i'm not familiar wnough w/ the netbook configuration to change that
[02:22] <Ken8521> if i had to guess
[02:22] <Ken8521> you'll e able to change it in gconf-editor
[02:22] <Ken8521> but that is strictly a guess
[02:26] <kpoman> hi
[02:26] <kpoman> again
[02:28] <Vbits> Ken8521 nothing in gconf
[02:29] <Ken8521> Vbits, gconf-editor has a bazilion options.. you wouldn't really know wha tyoure looking at, unless you knew exactly what to look for
[02:29] <Vbits> i used find to look for mouse and touchpad
[02:29] <Ken8521> that really doesn't mean anything
[02:30] <Ken8521> becaue it has nothing to do w/ the mouse and touchpad
[02:30] <Ken8521> it has to do w/ what menu is called for, when you right click
[02:31] <hanasaki> anyone seen compiz suddenly setting the screen darker?  the gnome menus still come up full brightness and running compiz --replace fixes it until it happens again...
[02:32] <Vbits> well i found a one line fix
[02:32] <Vbits> echo options psmouse proto=exps > /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.modprobe
[02:32] <Vbits> and it works
[02:32] <Ken8521> hmm.
[02:33] <Ken8521> that's pretty stupid though...
[02:33] <Ken8521> i run a normal gnome on my netbook, so..
[02:36] <Vbits> also i just posted my souliion as a comment to bug 621821
[02:38] <jcgs> hi, does anyone know if i can change the power management profile in kubuntu?
[02:51] <kpoman> it seems like there is a bug on libgsm1
[02:51] <kpoman> dpkg: warning: files list file for package `libgsm1' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[02:51] <kpoman> and it keeps on unpacking replacemenet libgsm1 for the eternity
[02:55] <Vbitz> ircII working flawlessly on 10.10
[02:55] <Vbits> oh and vbitz is me
[02:56] <kpoman> ubuntu retricted extras fails on libgsm1 too
[02:56] <kpoman> wtf libgsm why do I need that thing
[02:56] <kpoman> :(
[02:56] <kpoman> this sucks
[03:11] <b43er> Anyone else having trouble with Broadcom 4318 wireless and 10.10 RC?  My connection drops soon after startup.
[03:29] <mark2010> b43er: im using BC 4401 and been ok
[04:44] <androidbruce|lap> hey guys, im sshing into my machine and it's asking me to set terminal type
[04:44] <androidbruce|lap> this just recently happened, any idea?
[05:03] <hyperstream> Using the RC ive tried to boot up off the image(via DVD) it loads the gui part, then flashes with what it seems to be the installed gui part(so brief its a guess), then it flashes to the background image and just sits on that. the WIFI icon on the laptop seems to be function, ALT + CTRL + F-keys seem to bring up the console, any idea on how to restart the gui perhaps ?
[05:09] <SaRy> Restart X maybe ,,
[05:09] <hyperstream> service x restart ?
[05:09] <hyperstream> X *
[05:10] <hyperstream> Just tried to restart gdm, the terminal ended up locking up, or just not returning from the sudo'd command. had to switch to F2
[05:11] <hyperstream> what logs could i check for possible errors
[05:12] <SaRy> Don't know .
[05:14] <SaRy> Try startx ..
[05:14] <SaRy> the GUI will boot up.
[05:15] <hyperstream> the gui has booted up, it shows for a split second, then goes black and then back to the desktop backgound image(minus the gui windows + mouse)
[05:15] <hyperstream> as if it changes resolution(that kind of black and back speed/style)
[05:16] <SaRy> weird
[05:16] <hyperstream> Xorg.0.log > [dix] couldn't enable device 10
[05:16] <hyperstream> time to google
[05:17] <SaRy> Yeah . i'll see what i can find.
[05:17] <hyperstream> Thats kind of you bud, thanks, ill be doing the same
[05:17] <hyperstream> The line before that is: (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch
[05:18] <hyperstream> Not sure if that is any help.
[05:18] <ChogyDan> any deluge users here?
[05:22] <SaRy> hyperstream, see bug 404331
[05:23] <hyperstream> Its a old school IBM ThinkPad
[05:23] <hyperstream> Just didnt want to install XP on it (not mine)
[05:23] <hyperstream> hmm it has a Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
[05:24] <SaRy> aha. well Ubuntu is the right choice .. see if you can find something here .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/359392?comments=all
[05:24] <SaRy> i got to run , bbl
[05:25] <hyperstream> SaRy, thank you for your help bud, bye
[05:26] <SaRy> hyperstream, you're most welcome.
[05:38] <ubuubu> what is couchdb for?
[05:39] <Luke> ubuntu one probably
[05:39] <Luke> i think it stores application state in couchdb
[05:40] <ubuubu> Luke, thanks..
[05:40] <Luke> np
[05:46] <hyperstream> Is it possible to get some kind of menu on the 10.10 live cd? like the older ones had that is
[05:48] <Sikth> Hey guys, I get the message at the Ubuntu logo screen "One or more of the mounts lited in /etc/fstab canno be mounted:/:waitiing for /dev/disk/by-uuid/0641f685-848b-40db-9f5d-8d900e6d9bd2 /tmp:waiting for (null) :waiting for 0 press escape to enter a recovery shell "
[05:49] <Sikth> any ideas? Im lost
[05:50] <hyperstream> Sikth, at a guess, you have a device listed to be mouted in /etc/fstab that is no longer mountable(perhaps a external drive or USB device perhaps ?)
[05:51] <Sikth> How do I make my dev/sda5 mountable again?
[05:53] <hyperstream> Sikth, attach the device to the pc perhaps
[05:53] <Sikth> It's my main computer's hard drive though
[05:54] <hyperstream> Sikth, now that sounds strange
[05:54] <Sikth> right. Would seeing my fstab help you?
[05:54] <hyperstream> Sikth, im afraid you'll have to wait for someone more advanced in that area.
[05:55] <hyperstream> Apologies
[05:55] <Sikth> That's ok, thanks anyways :/
[05:55] <vinaur> Hi. I'm using Ubuntu Maverick (tried Lucid as well) liveCD to try and recover GRUB after Windows XP install, however, my lvm volumes do not appear anywhere in /dev, so I can't mount them. I can see the volumes with the lvm tool. Any idea how I could get them mounted?
[05:55] <Sikth> ok, another question
[05:56] <Sikth> I did "ecryptfs-mount-private" in recovery mode, and it's asking "login passphrase"
[05:56] <Sikth> what is that?
[06:00] <hyperstream> Again- this is a guess, but when i've encrypted my home paritions in the past, i had to use a passphrase, this is like a key for encrypting the data, without this, the data is unrecoverable
[06:01] <hyperstream> So if your trying to mount a encrypted partition it might be asking for the passphase you used when you encrypted it
[06:01] <Sikth> passphrase being a password?
[06:02] <hyperstream> I think so
[06:02] <Sikth> hmmm dang, I don't know what I would have put! My regular password doesn't work
[06:39] <Sikth> hyperstream, still there?
[06:55] <sebsebseb> HI
[07:28] <|ns|nR8>  I set monitor refresh rate to 85hz with nvidia-settings, works fine. After reboot it reverts back to 60hz. Any ideas why? Here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/sdGuJ96P
[07:29] <|ns|nR8> fresh install of 10.10rc
[07:33] <lucent> |ns|nR8: is nvidia-settings saving your configuration somewhere?
[07:33] <|ns|nR8> it overwrites the current xorg when i save it
[07:34] <lucent> oh, sounds kind of outdated
[07:34] <|ns|nR8> ive seen a coulpe other reports of this bug
[07:34] <lucent> bug #528756
[07:34] <Flynsarmy> Has anyone noticed that pidgin windows don't flash in the system tray in default maverick theme when a message is sent on an inactive window? is this a bug in karmic?
[07:34] <lucent> any chance it's that?
[07:34] <|ns|nR8> yes lucent
[07:34] <|ns|nR8> thanks
[07:35] <lucent> hope that is actually helpful, I'm guessing here. I have no nvidia hardware
[07:35] <|ns|nR8> hmm dunno
[07:36] <|ns|nR8> might just stick another videocard in
[07:36] <|ns|nR8> might be easier
[07:36] <lucent> well, without gaming, Intel cards that are supported work very well for me
[07:37] <lucent> they're not great at doing high performance anything but there's few problems in my experience
[07:37] <|ns|nR8> i turn off eye candy anyway
[07:37] <lucent> yeah
[07:37] <lucent> you might get away with a scripted hack, if nothing else
[07:38] <|ns|nR8> yeah
[07:38] <|ns|nR8> going to try another driver snyway
[07:38] <|ns|nR8> gotta reboot
[07:38] <|ns|nR8> thanks
[07:38] <lucent> good luck to you
[07:44] <Flynsarmy> anyone here have pidgin insatlled and using default theme?
[07:44] <Flynsarmy> default ubuntu theme
[07:53] <juk> after last maverick upgrade, unable to save screen rate have to set it in nvidia xserver settings manually each time after reboot
[07:53] <juk> !ops
[07:55] <juk> with 10.04 was fine
[07:57] <lucent> juk: nvidia?
[07:57] <juk> alright i stick with settings just won't reboot 6 more :)
[07:57] <lucent> it's funny, I just was talking to '|ns|nR8' about 20 minutes before now, on the same thing
[07:57] <lucent> was that you?
[07:57] <juk> nope
[07:58] <juk> nvidia
[07:58] <lucent> there's an open bug report about something similar
[07:58] <lucent> did you search launchpad for similar bugs?
[07:58] <juk> no can you point me
[07:58] <lucent> sure, no problem
[07:59] <lucent> bug #528756 > juk
[07:59] <juk> lucent: thank you, exactly what happens
[08:03] <lucent> good! glad it's the right one for you
[08:46] <juk> lucent: I reported bug 654408
[08:47] <lucent> juk: okay, though I think that might get marked duplicate
[08:47] <lucent> good work anyways
[08:59] <vega-> has ubuntu+2 been announced already?
[09:01] <tarzeau_> vega-: i think so, if you mean the whale?
[09:01] <vega-> naughty nitwit .. or something
[09:01] <vega-> whale?
[09:01] <tarzeau_> isn't it a whale?
[09:01] <vega-> 11.04
[09:01] <tarzeau_> narrwhale or so
[09:01] <vega-> ah, ok :)
[09:02] <vega-> yes found it now..
[09:03] <juk> vega-: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1359301
[09:18] <Evil_Eric> hello
[09:18] <Evil_Eric> is anyone alive
[09:18] <Evil_Eric> the l and g's dont show up corectly on 10.10 dint know if you guys/gals knew that
[09:19] <ikonia> in what application ?
[09:19] <Evil_Eric> the whole thing
[09:20] <Evil_Eric> my desktop and every program i run
[09:20] <Evil_Eric> ill up load a screen shot to shoow you
[09:27] <jetienne_> ubuntu 10.10 will actually be released on the 10th?
[09:27] <vega-> yes
[09:29] <Evil_Eric> sorry its taking me forever but im having stability issues (dumb user vs. web browser)
[09:29] <Wubbbi> Hey guys. I have an issue and this issue I have in the hole time of Ubuntu. But now it is realy getting on my nervs. Evolution is the word! I got a screen resolution of 1028x600 ... A Netbook. And Evolution is not going to fit on my screen. There are may parts of it which are going out of my screen thus I can click on some Icons or buttoms. Is it possible to fix it? Nothing helped yet. Even if I get on Fullscreen mode, it still not fits.
[09:29] <Wubbbi> Anyone can confirm it or even help me. I realy have to work with evolution!
[09:30] <Evil_Eric> http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8492/screenshotbz.png
[09:32] <Evil_Eric> ok ikonia theres the screen shot
[09:40] <hyperstream> Is it possible to boot the livecd into a low graphics mode of the sort?
[09:47] <Evil_Eric> ok heres the question is there any way to fix the g's and l's from showing up as weird other charitors?
[09:50] <Evil_Eric> yep thought so no web site or anything i can read on and posibaly fix it myself any sujestions welcome
[09:51] <Evil_Eric> bahhhhh
[11:12] <mikebeecham> hi there, is there a solid way to resolve the plymouth @ 640x480 issue on Maverick?
[11:22] <yofel> mikebeecham: I did it by setting the vbe mode by hand in /etc/default/grub (don't forget to run vbeinfo first to check supported modes!)
[11:22] <yofel> GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x800
[11:22] <yofel> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1280x800x32
[11:22] <yofel> hey penguin42
[11:23] <penguin42> Hi Yofel
[11:23] <penguin42> This laptop panicked on hibernate last night :-(
[11:23] <yofel> ouch :/
[11:25] <Jordan_U> Yay! Looks like *all* of the errors I got from u[pgrading in sandbox mode were caused by the sandbox itself. Just finished the real upgrade with no errors.
[11:26] <Jordan_U> Now to actually reboot...
[11:26] <penguin42> has camera pictures of the oops; so I'll look at that soon
[11:29] <mikebeecham> hey yofel mate..me again :D  How do I check first?
[11:29] <Jordan_U> Complete success!
[11:33] <mikebeecham> yofel,  my screen res is 1280 x 1024, so should be ok?  On Nvidia
[11:34] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, i don't see why it wouldnt...
[11:35] <Ken8521> the nvidia tool has a good tool for resolution setting
[11:36] <yofel> Ken8521: we're talking about plymouth resolution, and that depends on what framebuffer resolution the card supports
[11:36] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[11:36] <Ken8521> sorry
[11:37] <yofel> mikebeecham: go to the grub menu, press ctrl+c I think for the command line, run 'insert vbe' and 'vbeinfo'
[11:37] <yofel> that will print a list of supported modes
[11:38] <yofel> take my notebook as an example: my nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M has a native res of 1600 x 900, but the highes framebuffer res I can use is 1280x800, trying 1600x900 fails to boot
[11:41] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, i remember you posted that long log file yesterday, what did you do to fix it?
[11:44] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: Nothing really. Those errors were from an upgrade I did using do-release-upgrade's sandbox mode. Apparently all of those errors were actaully caused by the sandbox (aufs) setup itself, because without changing anything else just doing a normal (real) upgrade gave no errors.
[11:45] <Ken8521> oic.
[11:45] <Jordan_U> Makes the sandbox mode pretty useless though :(
[11:46]  * Jordan_U waits for btrfs snapshots :)
[11:48] <cmpsalvestrini> Little curiosity...
[11:48] <cmpsalvestrini> What happened to libboost?
[11:48] <cmpsalvestrini> the upgrade screen says libboost is no longer supported
[11:50] <cmpsalvestrini> ah, nm, I'll just update them again when I'm migrated ;)
[11:50] <penguin42> cmpsalvestrini: Not sure, to me it looks like there are now loads and loads of smaller libboost component packages?
[11:51] <cmpsalvestrini> so a change in libboost organization?
[11:51] <cmpsalvestrini> Grr... now it's gonna be fun to figure out what libboosts to install...
[11:53] <yofel> I don't think so, it's just that the library packages are versioned, meaning you'll have to install the 1.42 packages and the 1.40 package will be obsolete and have to be removed
[11:53] <cmpsalvestrini> Oh, great. That clarifies stuff some
[11:54] <yofel> as for the 'supported' part, that might come from 1.40 still being available, but being demoted from main to universe
[11:55] <yofel> that's just a guess though
[11:56] <cmpsalvestrini> Well I'll see what's what once I'm on the other side
[11:58] <cmpsalvestrini> Still got about 45 minutes left in the upgrade
[12:03] <maxb> Hrm, anyone running maverick rc on an Aspire One, and found touchpad scrolling has broken in the last day or so?
[12:05] <cmpsalvestrini> I'm just excited to try Ubuntu 10.10, might down the ISO to do a fresh install
[12:06] <Ken8521> cmpsalvestrini, it's actually pretty good.. not much different from 10.04.. just software updates for the most part.
[12:07] <Ken8521> i've heard of some upgrades getting broken though(like always) so hopefully that doesn't happen to you
[12:07] <cmpsalvestrini> I read somewhere that btrfs is also supported?
[12:07] <Ken8521> i'm still using ext4 but yes, i believe it is.
[12:07] <tarzeau_> i'm using xfs
[12:07] <Ken8521> you'll probably have to clean install to be able to use it though.
[12:08] <cmpsalvestrini> That's what I'm thinking about doing, I can afford it (got /home on a different partition with Reiserfs)
[12:08] <yofel> cmpsalvestrini: you can use it, but you'll need something for /boot as btrfs grub support is stuck in licensing issues (at least it was last time I checked)
[12:08] <yofel> *something else
[12:09] <cmpsalvestrini> so in short, a /boot with ext4, a / with btrfs and a /home with reiser
[12:09] <yofel> that should work
[12:10] <cmpsalvestrini> 256 megs for /boot is okay don't you think?
[12:10] <yofel> unless you do odd things or need a few dozen kernel, yes
[12:11] <cmpsalvestrini> wow, guess that part where I learned about linux with gentoo really paid off XD
[12:14] <yofel> haha, gentoo is fun to set up, right :D
[12:15] <cmpsalvestrini> looots of cli work
[12:16] <yofel> is there even a GUI version of portage? can't remember
[12:16] <cmpsalvestrini> I don't think there is...
[12:17] <gnomefreak> not a few years ago but it has been a long time
[12:17] <cmpsalvestrini> it's been a long road for me, I started with SuSE back when it was not a part of novell, Suse 8 or something... then went to Windows, then to gentoo, then back to the windows goop, then to Ubuntu, and have stayed with Ubuntu ever since.
[12:18] <heretic> hey there
[12:18] <gnomefreak> hi
[12:18] <heretic> I recently upgraded and now it looks like I "cant use" my nvidia drivers
[12:19] <heretic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1587916
[12:19] <cmpsalvestrini> hot damn, I remember when you had to compile networkmanager from svn to have it work with wpa nets.
[12:19] <gnomefreak> heretic: use jockey-gtk to set up the drivers
[12:19] <heretic> gnomefreak, it doesnt display any avalaible drivers
[12:19] <gnomefreak> or the hardware menu entry
[12:19] <gnomefreak> heretic: what card?
[12:19] <heretic> gnomefreak, GeForce 5200
[12:20] <heretic> I have terminal output in the post I linked above
[12:20] <cmpsalvestrini> heretic, try enabling the universe / multiverse repos,
[12:20] <gnomefreak> that works fine on my other system
[12:20] <heretic> cmpsalvestrini, good idea!
[12:20] <heretic> ill try the thing with the repos
[12:20] <cmpsalvestrini> then synaptic the drivers
[12:20] <gnomefreak> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/restricted i386 Packages
[12:21] <gnomefreak> enable restricted as well
[12:21] <heretic> okay
[12:21] <gnomefreak> you want the nvidia-current package but _should_ get listed in jockey
[12:21] <cmpsalvestrini> Heh. You know you're getting salty when you assume automagically that everybody does ubu tricks automatically
[12:22] <yofel> erm, 5200 should need -173 and I don't think those work with xserver 1.9 yet, at least not what we have in the repos
[12:22]  * gnomefreak still looking for the hack that changes the output of a wrong password
[12:23] <gnomefreak> show used to give you a list of supported cards but no longer does
[12:23] <yofel> nope, repos -173 doesn't work yet
[12:23] <cmpsalvestrini> 15 minutes left
[12:24] <yofel> gnomefreak: afaik current is geforce 6 and upwards
[12:24] <cmpsalvestrini> Hrm. Try the envy driver heretic
[12:25] <heretic> cmpsalvestrini, good idea too. give me a few minutes
[12:25] <yofel> heretic: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2326225 has the new drivers, they're not packaged for ubuntu yet, so either wait or install them by hand, which isn't supported by ubuntu and you'll have to reinstall the driver after every kernel update
[12:25] <cmpsalvestrini> (y)
[12:25] <heretic> yofel, thanks a lot
[12:25] <gnomefreak> yofel: they dropped 5200 mind you its been a while since i used the box with the 5200 but last i checked it worked with X1.8
[12:25] <heretic> cmpsalvestrini, this is the most stupid question ever but whats the package name of the "software sources" tool?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> and have to remove the upstream drivers to use ours IIRC
[12:26] <yofel> heretic: sofware-properties-gtk / -kde
[12:26] <gnomefreak> is there one?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:26] <heretic> thanks a lot
[12:26] <cmpsalvestrini> software sources? dayumn, I think it is software-sources but I'm not 1000% certain.
[12:27] <yofel> ah right, and you'll either need to blacklist nouveau or remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[12:27] <heretic> cmpsalvestrini, never mind, i got it
[12:27] <cmpsalvestrini> oarighty
[12:27] <yofel> heretic: for future reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[12:28] <heretic> so jockey still doesnt find any avalaible drivers
[12:28] <heretic> i enabled the multi and universe repos
[12:28] <heretic> oh hold on...
[12:29] <heretic> going to have a look into synaptic
[12:29] <yofel> heretic: jockey was patched to deliberately not show the drivers as the will fail to install!!! - the can't be used with xserver 1.9
[12:30] <heretic> yofel, sorry
[12:30] <yofel> or actually, they can be installed, which is a problem, as the won't work after installation
[12:30] <cmpsalvestrini> heretic sounds like you're stuck with the opensource nvidia driver
[12:31] <heretic> so uhm. what did you mean with "synaptic the drivers"?
[12:31] <yofel> like I said, either use nouveau until we get  a packaged -173, or install the driver by hand, which isn't supported
[12:31] <heretic> yofel, ye
[12:32] <yofel> *packaged 173.14.18
[12:32] <yofel> geh, I woke up with the wrong foot
[12:32] <yofel> *173.14.28
[12:32] <heretic> sorry for being stupid dude
[12:32] <cmpsalvestrini> I meant get the drivers through synaptic. But since they won't work with xorg 1.9, you're better off with nouveau.
[12:32] <heretic> so - "nouveau-firmware"?
[12:32] <yofel> you're not, ubuntu packaging can be confusing sometimes
[12:33] <gnomefreak> really stupid question: how big of a swap can i have. 256mb ram atm, can  i have a 5gig partition and it work?
[12:33] <yofel> heretic: nouveau should work out of the box, without 3D though, you need libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental for that
[12:33] <cmpsalvestrini> in theory your swap should be twice as large as your ram
[12:34] <gnomefreak> yeah i know
[12:34] <gnomefreak> but i need a 5gig partition
[12:34] <gnomefreak> :(
[12:34] <cmpsalvestrini> There should be no problem for 5 gigs gnomefreak
[12:34] <heretic> yofel, do i need to remove packages like nvidia-current etc then?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> cmpsalvestrini: thanks as long as it works im golden
[12:34] <yofel> heretic: yes, nvidia-current blacklists the nouveau kernel module
[12:35] <cmpsalvestrini> alright, upgrade is cleaning up.
[12:35]  * gnomefreak wonders if next dev cycle intel breaks, lucid ==ati troubles and maverick == nvidia problems
[12:36] <heretic> okay now lets see...
[12:37] <yofel> maverick had fglrx problems too until shortly, and -current was fixed quite a while ago
[12:37] <heretic> rebooting
[12:37] <cmpsalvestrini> heretic keep in mind you'll need a restart after installing nouveau and the mesa dri experimental package
[12:37] <heretic> cmpsalvestrini, doing that right now
[12:37] <cmpsalvestrini> sorry, nit lagged
[12:37] <cmpsalvestrini> *bit
[12:38] <heretic> np
[12:38] <heretic> safe mode or normal?
[12:38]  * gnomefreak would have thought restarting X would be enough
[12:38] <cmpsalvestrini> normal
[12:38] <heretic> gnomefreak, better than getting confused i think
[12:38] <yofel> I think KMS has problems with not rebooting
[12:38] <gnomefreak> good point
[12:38] <cmpsalvestrini> alright, time for my reboot. See you on the other side
[12:38] <heretic> looks good - the ubuntu logo is in a better resolution
[12:39] <gnomefreak> cmpsalvestrini: good luck
[12:39] <heretic> cmpsalvestrini, see you - thank you a lot!
[12:39] <heretic> So I was able to boot, got to the desktop
[12:39] <heretic> working fine, with metacity i assume
[12:39] <heretic> any possibilty for compiz?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> not sure i have heard both it works and not, i thought free drivers were 2D only
[12:40] <heretic> well, im getting "Fatal: software rendering not detected"
[12:40] <gnomefreak> 2D it is than :)
[12:41] <heretic> means no compiz
[12:41] <gnomefreak> not until the nonfree drivers are fixed
[12:41] <heretic> okay
[12:41] <heretic> well at last normal boot works now haha
[12:41] <heretic> big cheers to you guys
[12:41] <heretic> thanks a lot for keeping up with me ^^
[12:42] <heretic> im not exactly experienced with driver stuff
[12:42]  * gnomefreak knows enough to be very dangerous
[12:42] <gnomefreak> morning bazhang
[12:43] <gnomefreak> cmpsalvestrini: not broken?
[12:43] <cmpsalvestrini> So far so good...
[12:43] <cmpsalvestrini> glxgears is working, which means...
[12:43] <gnomefreak> crap lubuntu is borked
[12:44] <cmpsalvestrini> glxinfo is also giving me all it needs me to know
[12:44] <gnomefreak> ok that was way too easy to fix
[12:46] <cmpsalvestrini> woot me, I'm on 10.10
[12:46] <gnomefreak> just in time for stable 10.10
[12:47] <bazhang> gnomefreak, hi
[12:48] <gnomefreak> yay smart is working againe
[12:48] <gnomefreak> s/againe/again
[12:49] <cmpsalvestrini> hehe yeah that was what I wanted
[12:49] <cmpsalvestrini> alrighty now, let's figger this boost mess I have
[12:51] <yofel> shouldn't be a mess, that message simply says that boost 1.40 isn't supported anymore in maverick
[12:51] <gnomefreak> looks like it was split
[12:51] <yofel> wasn't it always split up?
[12:51] <penguin42> slice & dice
[12:52] <gnomefreak> yofel: not sure but checking a few of them they are the source package for each
[12:53] <gnomefreak> libboost-date-time1.42.0 is the source for it and so on
[12:53]  * gnomefreak doesnt install libboost as i dont need it for anything normally
[12:53] <yofel> the source of libboost-date-time1.42.0 is still boost1.42
[12:54] <gnomefreak> oh yeah it is
[12:54] <gnomefreak> missed that
[12:54] <yofel> it's just that the packages are versioned
[12:54] <yofel> meaning you can't upgrade them but have to install the new ones and remove the old ones
[12:54] <yofel> and .40 was demoted from lucid/main to maverick/universe
[12:55] <yofel> as we have .42 in maverick/main
[13:00] <cmpsalvestrini> aight I think I switched to 1.42, how do I make sure it's all kosher
[13:03] <yofel> you shouldn't need to, boost libraries should be installed as dependencies if needed
[13:03] <cmpsalvestrini> well I'm building some stuff from source
[13:04] <yofel> if you have the -dev packages installed, the should have been upgraded, as they are unversioned, and they should have pulled the .42 libs in too
[13:04] <yofel> *they should
[13:05] <cmpsalvestrini> that was my mistake I didn't install them with the -dev packages but one by one as needed
[13:06] <hyperstream> Anyone have a clue on how to boot the 10.10 livecd in some sort of low graphics mode ?
[13:07] <yofel> hm, not sure then, depends on what you need, just leave it alone until you notice you're missing one
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> hyperstream:  try that nomodeset option? (i think thats what its called)
[13:08] <bobo123> low graphics, like in 320x200? :-D I would love that
[13:08] <hyperstream> Dr_Willis, it seems there is no boot options menu. Atleast im not sure how to bring it up, just goes straight into booting the live ubuntu
[13:09] <|ns|nR8> I'm using ubuntu 10.10 . It started to revert the refresh rate of my monitor to 60hz, each and every time I log on. I change it back in nvidia panel, save it to X config file, but it just doesn't last.
[13:11] <hyperstream> i just spammed the keyboard, and got a menu. lol - how silly.
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> hyperstream:  Hmm. when it shows the man/thing at the bottom..  thats when you hit a key
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> Just the space key works i recall..
[13:11] <|ns|nR8> Redownloaded dialy build, checked md5, burnt and varified data, reinstalled, same bug
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> at least its not some 'hit F8 to enter....' thang.
[13:12] <hyperstream> Hope things go well
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> Hmm... getting some odd updateing issues this morning....
[13:13] <hyperstream> YES!, thanks Dr_Willis nomodeset did the trick.
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> hyperstream:  i have to use that ive noticed with my nvidia systems
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> Now why is 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' failing with this...
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: bamfdaemon is broken or not fully installed
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> I cant remove, or reinstall bamfdaenon, because after it fails.. the apt lock is locked...
[13:15] <hyperstream> If i install this on the system, will it default nomodeset? or i will have to do this at a later date?
[13:15] <hyperstream> Dr_Willis, ouch, that does not sound too good :/
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> hyperstream:   check the /etc/default/grub
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> hyperstream:  i Noticed on one box. that it BECAME the default in that file..
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> which was sort  of a nice trick,.
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> but after i installed the nvidia drivers - i dident need the option
[13:16] <hyperstream> This has an ATI Radeon in it
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> Throw it in the trash then. ;)
[13:16] <hyperstream> Pretty old laptop, IBM ThinkPad T42 2373
[13:16] <hyperstream> Dr_Willis, agreeed!
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> Or just send it to me.. i will send you $5
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> well lets see.. an apt-get upgrade, seems t be working now... :)
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> You can get some of the Most interesting apt messages when beta testing
[13:20] <Ian_corne> tell us about it
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> not had an issue here personally
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> ive had grub die twice on me on the laptop.. but not on the desktop...
[13:39] <nemchik> anyone else here using empathy?
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> !anyone | nemchik
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: single boot here, zero grub issus :)
[13:42] <nemchik> lol smart robot
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> This was basically a single boot. I had linux all on its own hd.. and windows all on its own hd..
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> the 2nd time it did it. i was able to fix it by live cd and reinstall of grub.. so im not sure what goofed it up.
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> first time it did it.. that dident fix it either.
[13:43] <nemchik> well i have empathy and when i type a long message in a chat window it expands the window (even past the edges of my screen). i have done some searching and not found any useful input on launchpad, so im wondering if anyone here has any ideas?
[13:47]  * gnomefreak knows better than to use Empathy for chat
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> nemchik: is there a bug logged for it? I can't help unfortunately, I use pidgin
[13:50] <nemchik> yes there is, actually there are multiple, some of which have been merged, i have marked myself as affected
[13:51]  * gnomefreak uses Irssi, Pidgim, Xchat, Instantbird
[13:55] <cmpsalvestrini> mwahaha
[13:56] <cmpsalvestrini> Well I'm successfully upgraded
[14:04] <nothingspecial> The places menu is opening movie-player, is this a bug or is it just me?
[14:11] <gnomefreak> not here just normal folders and what ones i added
[14:12] <nothingspecial> gnomefreak: I`ve probably done something then
[14:13] <gnomefreak> nothingspecial: if it is listed in Places just remove it, not even sure you can add it to Places
[14:16] <gnomefreak> i hate Shotwell :(
[14:16] <gnomefreak> i want F-spot back by default
[14:17] <Ian_corne> I like shotwell more
[14:17] <nothingspecial> gnomefreak: No, when I click on anything in the places section of the main gnome menu, it opens movie-player. So if I click music or Videos a file will play but if I click Documents or one of my external drives movie-player opens with a stream error
[14:18] <gnomefreak> testing
[14:19] <gnomefreak> no matter what i click on Naultilus opens folders
[14:19] <gnomefreak> nothingspecial: what file manager are you using?
[14:20] <nothingspecial> standard install nautilus
[14:20] <gnomefreak> than im not sure why its doing that
[14:20] <gnomefreak> sorry
[14:20] <nothingspecial> gnomefreak: If I do Alt-F2 nautilus then everything is fine, it`s just from the menu
[14:21] <gnomefreak> i would file a bug in it
[14:21] <nothingspecial> gnomefreak: It`s ok, I will when I`m sure it`s something I`ve not done myself
[14:21] <gnomefreak> works same for me
[14:22] <nothingspecial> Same behaviour if I use gnome-do......weird
[14:23] <Alan> YAY!
[14:23] <Alan> I am happy today
[14:23] <Alan> I jsut found out that FINALLY the git-core package has been renamed to git
[14:23] <Alan> :D
[14:23] <Alan> I mean, seriously, who uses GNU Interactive Tools anyway? :P
[14:34]  * popey shakes his fist at Alan for reasons only known to popey and Alan 
[14:37] <sda1986> hi all, i made a script and i want start it when i press a fn+bottun on my laptop, how can I do that? thanks!
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> the special laptop keys may not be remapable.   Unless its some media key.. try remaping it to somthing else in the keyboard settings.
[14:41] <sda1986> but i know in /etc/acpi/event there are button name with what event start if they are pressed, i cannot modify that?
[14:42] <donri> Empathy contacts tooltips are only transparent around the edge. Known bug?
[14:58] <MTecknology> ok... I just went through the graphical installer for the first time in a long time
[14:58] <MTecknology> COOL!
[15:00] <MTecknology> Requesting additional information while the system is creating partitions is a pretty spanking awesome idea
[15:04] <donri> The installer providing the option to install restricted-extras and run updates is a spankingly pretty idea.
[15:05] <popey> its also pretty scary
[15:06] <Ian_corne> popey: what's scary about it?
[15:06] <jcdyer>  Just updated by Acer Aspire One to Maverick, and now I lost my X.  Console only.  Anyone seen this?
[15:06] <Ian_corne> it enhances the usablity alot
[15:06] <popey> because on some machines you dont want it to put grub where it does
[15:07] <popey> e.g. my mac laptop
[15:07] <juk> bug submitted 654408
[15:07] <popey> on the previous ubiquity you could specify where to put grub _before_ it touched the disk
[15:07] <Ian_corne> but doesn' tit only do that at the last step?
[15:08] <popey> Id rather not test that :)
[15:08] <popey> I haven't tried the new installer in the last month or so
[15:08] <Ian_corne> it does iirc, you can click advanced
[15:08] <oxymoron> wtf, when doing upgrade kpackagekit want to remove all apps i have like konversation, amarok, quassel, rekonq and so oon?
[15:08] <Ian_corne> at the last step
[15:08] <thiebaude> hi popey good afternoon
[15:09] <juk> how many bugs in maverick currently?
[15:10] <Pici> One million dollars, I mean bugs.
[15:10] <juk> Pici: trolling?
[15:10] <donri> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57084169/Menu_001.png  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57084238/Tooltip_002.png  anyone else has these background bugs?
[15:11] <yofel> lp 654408
[15:11] <thiebaude> only bug i have is when i shutdown, the computer restarts
[15:11] <Pici> juk: Well what kind of answer would have been good for you?  There are bugs, just like most software.
[15:12] <juk> Pici: I asked for number, you don't know
[15:14] <yofel> juk: hard to say https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs are the targeted ones, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=maverick are the filed bugs that are properly tagged, and there is a small number of bugs that are missing the tag
[15:15] <ugliefrog> when 10.10 is official..anything required...or do i have to fresh install
[15:16] <Pici> !final
[15:17] <Ian_corne> brr it suggests dist-upgrade
[15:19] <yofel> Ian_corne: since that's the appropriate command?
[15:19] <Ian_corne> i've broken many systems by doing that :p
[15:19] <Ian_corne> well my own obviously
[15:20] <Ian_corne> shouldn't aptitude safe-upgrade bring you uptodate?
[15:20] <juk> yofel: I found mine in second
[15:20] <yofel> that won't resolve dependency conflicts that need packages removed, you'll need full-upgrade to make sure you have everything up to date
[15:20] <Ian_corne> oh
[15:21] <yofel> juk: right, all bugs reported with apport will be in the second list
[15:21] <Pici> apt-get doesn't have full-upgrade.
[15:22] <yofel> also, aptitude isn't installed by default on desktop, apt-get is the only command that's available on all systems
[15:38] <murlidhar> errr my gdm's screen resolution is different from my desktop's ....
[15:41] <murlidhar> what must i do to get my gdm's screen resolution back to 1400x900 ?
[15:41] <ONEaPT> hi
[15:41] <ONEaPT> i just installed xubuntu 10.10 rc on my eeepc
[15:41] <ONEaPT> but when i run 'top' i get
[15:42] <ONEaPT> TERM environment variable not set.
[15:42] <ONEaPT> can anyone please give me some pointers on how can i solve this?
[15:42] <murlidhar> dunno top is working fine on gnome.
[15:43] <ONEaPT> yes, on my ubuntu 10.10 install is working, but not on xubuntu
[15:43] <murlidhar> maybe you should file a bug then
[15:44] <ONEaPT> okay, i thought i did some wrong....
[15:44] <ONEaPT> thanks
[15:45] <jcdyer> Just updated by Acer Aspire One to Maverick, and now X won't start.  Anybody seen this?  I'm getting the following errors:
[15:45] <jcdyer> intel(0): Front buffer stride 16 kB exceeds display limit
[15:46] <jcdyer> intel(0): Couldn't allocate initial framebuffer.
[15:46] <jcdyer> Following this bug, I tried a couple different kernels, but no luck: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/640432
[15:46] <histo> Ughh no sound
[15:54] <histo> Anyone else have intel 82801I sound card? I just upgraded and its dead in maverick
[15:56] <mungojerry> anyone missing window icons (close/minimize/maximize) and window title from windows in 10.10?
[15:56] <mungojerry> see screenshot here: i'm in desktop mode imgur.com/wPlnJ
[15:56] <mungojerry> http://imgur.com/wPlnJ
[16:04] <Ken8521> mungojerry, havent seen that one
[16:05] <mungojerry> i have an even worse one too. when i login to netbook session 3d, i see the 3d + the 2d version  - it's unusable
[16:05] <mungojerry> unity  + 2d launcher
[16:06] <josephnexus> Looksl ike the funguloids package installs now but is still broken
[16:06] <josephnexus> someone didn't grab the latest sources for it
[16:07] <josephnexus> http://funguloids.sourceforge.net/download.html
[16:07] <josephnexus> it's really sad to see that packages are being shown in the software center that are broken
[16:07] <mungojerry> histo, i have 82801fb card in the eee 701, it works
[16:08] <josephnexus> funguloids segfaults when trying to start the game.  There was a patch released last year for it and ubuntu still hasn't pulled that in
[16:09] <josephnexus> at least it doesn't fail during install now though, so I guess another 2 years and it can be fixed
[16:09] <josephnexus> :-P
[16:11] <yofel> we don't actually maintain funguloids ourselves but just sync it from debian, and they don't have anything newer
[16:12] <bjsnider> yofel, that's just an excuse. ubuntu can apply a patch easily enough
[16:12] <yofel> well, true
[16:12] <josephnexus> it should either be fixed or removed
[16:12] <bjsnider> that's why they invented bugs
[16:12] <josephnexus> having it sit in limbo just does a disservice to ubuntu
[16:12] <bjsnider> submit one
[16:12] <josephnexus> it's been reported
[16:12] <josephnexus> 2 yrs ago
[16:13] <bjsnider> where is the bug report?
[16:13] <histo> mungojerry: I've purged pulse and alsa and let them reinstall and nothing still no sound
[16:13] <juk> !apport | bjsnider
[16:13] <juk> !apport-bug | bjsnider
[16:13] <mungojerry> histo, checked alsamixer?
[16:13] <bjsnider> juk, do NOT do that
[16:13] <mungojerry> sometimes channels are muted
[16:13] <histo> mungojerry: yeah everything checks ok
[16:13] <josephnexus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/funguloids/+bug/194686
[16:14] <josephnexus> scroll down... unless someone doesn't read those :-|
[16:14] <histo> I'm downloading the cd now to see if it will work in the live environment
[16:14] <histo> mungojerry: might be an issue from upgrading
[16:15] <bjsnider> that's a different bug. submit a new one
[16:16] <josephnexus> bjsnider, did you scroll down?
[16:17] <bjsnider> yes i did
[16:17] <bjsnider> it's installable, so that's not the same bug
[16:17] <josephnexus> should I just copy/paste that bottom comment into the new bug report?
[16:18] <bjsnider> submit a new bug, tell them exactly what patch needs to be applied, provide a link to it
[16:18] <bjsnider> or you could create a ppa and patcht he thing yourself
[16:19] <josephnexus> i'm busy maintaining some other software, else I would
[16:21] <josephnexus> this isn't so much about me being able to play, this is about people downloading ubuntu, seeing a game that looks neat, and having it mysteriously not work, it puts egg on ubuntu's face, which I dislike
[16:22] <androidbruce|lap> anyone using Guake?
[16:22] <androidbruce|lap> having issues with TERM variable
[16:22] <bjsnider> assuming the patch applies easily, it would take a grand total of 15 minutes to create a ppa and rebuild that game for it
[16:23] <bullgard4_> androidbruce|lap: I had similar problems.
[16:23] <androidbruce|lap> yeah
[16:23] <androidbruce|lap> it's a pain
[16:23] <androidbruce|lap> bullgard4_, do this export TERM=vt100
[16:24] <androidbruce|lap> and that should, #fixit
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> androidbruce|lap:  ive been seeing issues where TERM is not getting set also.
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> export TERM=xterm  is what i normally do
[16:25] <bullgard4_> androidbruce|lap: No. I solved most problems by inserting »export TERM=xterm« in /home/<myloginname>/.bashrc .
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> androidbruce|lap:  ive seen the issue in several terminal programs.  not just one. so its some sort of system/config issue
[16:25] <josephnexus> bjsnider, the problem with that is that people, out of the box, won't have it working
[16:25] <androidbruce|lap> bullgard4_, does that affect other issues by putting export TERM=xterm in /.bashrc?
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> setting term to xterm on the console may cause issues..
[16:26] <bullgard4_> androidbruce|lap: It affects the Tilda program also benefically.
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> a better work around would be to check if TERM is set, then set it to xterm, if its not set
[16:26] <josephnexus> bjsnider, and asking non-technical people to use a ppa is asking for trouble
[16:26] <mungojerry> guys, is unity supposed to look like this? http://imgur.com/UlqFZ
[16:26] <androidbruce|lap> Dr_Willis, ahh good point
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> i noticed the issue in awn-terminal  and xfce-terminal
[16:27] <androidbruce|lap> Dr_Willis, how would one add that 'script' in /.bashrc?
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> but dident seeit in 'terminator'  it MAY be its a 'set right in  the login shell only' kind of proboem
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> try it in 'xterm' vs 'xterm -ls'
[16:27] <bjsnider> josephnexus, alright, if you don't want to submit a new bug about it, then go to the ubuntu-motu channel and tell someone witht he power to do something about it, because this ain't the place for that
[16:28] <josephnexus> i made a bug report
[16:28] <josephnexus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/funguloids/+bug/654604
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> roxterm = set to dumb also
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> xterm works properly.. but i just nopticed my fonts are messed up in xterm :)
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> evilvte = set to dumb.
[16:30] <josephnexus> Dr_willis, I can confirm that when typing in the terminal, fonts are weird
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> I added a line at the end of the .bashrc  echo 'Your terminal is set to ' $TERM
[16:31] <Dr_Willis> josephnexus:  yea.. xterm seems to be goofed up
[16:31] <jcgs> hi, i'm using kubuntu, and i can't seem to be able to change which power management profile i'm on, is that normal
[16:32] <josephnexus> bjsnider, thanks for pointing me to the right channel
[16:32] <josephnexus> take care everyone!
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> evilvt via login shell option also = dumb./
[16:32] <bjsnider> uh oh, i sent him off to bug the motus
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> bjsnider:  heh.
[16:32] <jcgs> guys?
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> Its proberly a known bug..  with some trivial fix..
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> I dontuse kde  jcgs  but under gnome io can change profiles.
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> May be a matter of supported mb/chipsets
[16:34] <jcgs> doesn't io mean input-output?
[16:34] <Dr_Willis> I can change profiles under gnome
[16:34] <Dr_Willis> is what it means.. :)
[16:35] <jcgs> thanks for the info :) sadly i'm not planning to switch
[16:35] <Dr_Willis> I imagibne its a matter of MB support.. unless theres some bugs in kde.
[16:35] <jcgs> i think it's more a matter of missing ui elements
[16:36] <jcgs> or the controls are there, just not in a sensible place
[16:36] <Dr_Willis> then its a bug in kde.. try a gnome live cd and see if it works
[16:36] <Dr_Willis> I just use the AWN power-applet to  change mine
[16:37] <jcgs> i'm sure kde is capable of doing it, it's just there aren't any buttons to click to make it happen, which is a bit random
[16:37] <jcgs> unless they've been squirreled somewhere i can't find them
[16:37] <yofel> jcgs: I can switch them fine in the power manager applet
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> ask in #kubuntu they may point you do it..
[16:37] <jcgs> yofel: what power manager applet?
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> Proberly some kde plasmoid to do it.
[16:38] <jcgs> that's what i was thinking, but i couldn't find one :|
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> Plasmid = the Powerups in BioShock :)
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> perhaps its not installed by default.
[16:38] <yofel> jcgs: the Battery Monitor
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> I definatly recall a battery thing in kde.
[16:38] <jcgs> aaaaaah, that's what it's called
[16:38] <yofel> I wonder how to switch profiles without that though o.O
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> via some fancy command line command. :) perhaps
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> !info apmd
[16:39] <yofel> well, the power profiles are usually just used if a battery is present so  it might make sense that it's only changable there
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> I see them in my AWN applet on this Desktop machine.
[16:40] <yofel> well, you're probably right that there's some qdbus command for it too
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> other then 'ondemand' - i rarely use the settings..
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> My Toshiba laptop has an eco mode in widnows.
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> it really extends its battery life.  - wonder what all it shuts down..
[16:41] <yofel> erm, are we talking about powerdevil profiles or cpu governors?
[16:50] <jcgs> thanks guys :)
[17:03] <MTecknology> /j4/40
[17:03] <MTecknology> I think I just found an ugly bug....
[17:04] <MTecknology> in the daily alternate cd I went through the install process and it asked me for the first user - then i boot up and no user was created.
[17:06] <charlie-tca> MTecknology: is that why I can't log in?
[17:07] <MTecknology> charlie-tca: very likely... hop into recovery, become root, ls /home/
[17:08] <MTecknology> charlie-tca: useradd -s /bin/bash -m USER; passwd USER; usermod -a -G sudo USER
[17:08] <charlie-tca> seems wrong, though
[17:08] <MTecknology> hm?
[17:09] <yofel> is only the home folder missing or is the user completely missing?
[17:09] <charlie-tca> seems wrong to have to add a user
[17:09] <charlie-tca> yofel: the user is missing and the home folder is missing
[17:09] <charlie-tca> passwd does not show the user
[17:10] <MTecknology> yofel: the user never got created
[17:10] <yofel> anything in the /var/log/installer/ files?
[17:11] <MTecknology> any idea which file it'd be in?
[17:11] <yofel> well, check the syslog in any case
[17:13] <MTecknology> I just went over the logs with grep and only came up with michael vogt in status (maintainer field in package)
[17:14] <charlie-tca> known issue
 known and fixed
 user-setup 1.28ubuntu10
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> seems odd to be having such issues this close to release...
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> I did notice a lot of updates today. (not sure when i last updated, like 3 days ago perhaps)
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> I also notice im gettting 1.0 MB/S from one external USB HD to another...  both are plugged into differnt USB ports...
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> that seems a tad... slow.
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> aha.. says  in dmesg ->  not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> but.. this is a realtively new machine.. every port on it should be 'high speed'
[17:23] <Lars_G> I'll try here even if it's under kde :) so don't hate on me.
[17:24] <Lars_G> I removed the unity menu widget from my bar on my netbook, because Eclipse doesn't work well with unity menu... and all programs have their own menu now, except firefox 4 beta (from 4 to 6)...
[17:24] <Lars_G> Any ideas why firefox will go menuless rathern than have it's own menu? and how to fix it?
[17:32] <penguin42> Lars_G: It doesn't surprise me; the memu thing is a bit of a hack
[17:33] <penguin42> Lars_G: You could try removing appmenu-gtk - do a dpkg --purge on it, and then reboot
[17:35] <Lars_G> penguin42: deleting it completely? I'll try
[17:35] <penguin42> yeh
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> Now lets see if the USB hds are faster.. moved them to differnt ports..
[17:40] <saxin> I can't manage to get the nvidia driver working in Ubuntu 10.10. Tried many times now... first without doing any updates, second with fully updated ubuntu (additional drivers in ubuntu), now I tried to dl the file from nvdia website.. everything works great, but when I take a reboot, it wont boot into ubuntu anymore... just flashing like crazy on my screen. I run 64 bit ubuntu.
[17:41] <Dr_Willis> whats your video card?
[17:44] <saxin> Dr_Willis, NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX+
[17:49] <saxin> Dr_Willis, I see you are helping people over in #ubuntu , but if you have any suggestions, go ahead :)
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> Mine works fine. so cant say much on the topic
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> its an 8800gtsxxx and my 360M both work fine
[17:49] <saxin> :\
[17:50] <saxin> what can it be -_-
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> my 5500 system is dead. so i havent tested it on 10.10
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> and i NEVER use the ones from the nvidia homepage. :)
[17:50] <Linuturk> I am having issues with the e1000e driver in 10.04. Have there been significant changes in to 10.10 to address any known issues?
[17:51] <dajhorn> Dr_Willis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/626974
[17:53] <bjsnider> there's a new 173 driver that is compatible with xorg 1.9
[17:54] <ChrisBuchholz> Wasnt the Unity Application Menu going to be available as an option in Ubuntu Desktop?
[17:55] <sda1986> hi all, can i tell to my ubuntu, "when you lock the screen, turn off the monitor"? thanks!
[17:57] <penguin42> sda1986: System-->preferences->Power management preferecnes, Display can tell it to turn the screen off after a given time
[17:58] <penguin42> sda1986: If you line that up with the time that your screen saver is set to come on, then it should work
[18:03] <sda1986> penguin42: example if i set screensaver after 100min and sleep monitor after 1min if i lock the screen after 1min it turn it down but if i don't lock and i watch youtube for example it works?
[18:04] <donri> Is it intentional email accounts are spaced differently in the message menu? Looks odd.
[18:04] <penguin42> sda1986: Ah, I don't think it knows about youtube for example, I think it would still see that as inactive
[18:05] <sda1986> flash film\youtube really annoying me :(
[18:07] <penguin42> yeh
[18:08] <qwam> How do I get a wireless interface to use a different module?
[18:08] <qwam> from the command line?
[18:16] <mikehh> hi, I updated Kubuntu 10.10 RC about half an hour ago and now I can't get into it - after loging in it gives me a blank screen with just a mouse pointer
[18:18] <mikehh> this is from Ubuntu 10.10 which seems ok after the last update (although I have not re-booted)
[18:19] <mikehh> that's amd64 BTW
[18:20] <penguin42> which graphics card?
[18:21] <TuGa> hi
[18:21] <TuGa> i have ubuntu 10.10 x64 desktop on and can not start x11vnc server from a remote ssh shell, what can i do to solve this?
[18:22] <zniavre__> who made this new legacy nvidia 173.xx drivers please ?
[18:22] <trism> TuGa: what error are you getting? did you set the display correctly?
[18:23] <zniavre__> why this .28 does not exists into nvidia drivers website ?
[18:24] <TuGa> this is my  command
[18:24] <TuGa> x11vnc -rfbport 7500 -rfbauth .vom/x11vn -o .vom/x11vn.log -localhost -display :0
[18:24] <TuGa> anyone?
[18:26] <mikehh> penguin42: an oldish nvidia card
[18:26] <mikehh> with the nvidia drivers on Kubuntu (I removed them on Ubuntu)
[18:27]  * penguin42 doesn't know the Nvidia stuff, but I'd try removing and readdin the driver
[18:27] <mikehh> how do I disable them using cli
[18:27] <mikehh> which is all I can get into
[18:27] <penguin42> mikehh: Maybe witth jockey-text ?
[18:30] <charlie-tca> MTecknology: there is a new image out, .1 that fixes the user issue
[18:33] <MTecknology> charlie-tca: cool, I figured it wouldn't take long
[18:36] <dajhorn> zniavre:  Unofficial:  https://launchpad.net/~dajhorn/+archive/x-updates/
[18:36] <mikehh> penguin42: let me try jockey-text and see what happens - bbl
[18:39] <zniavre> dajhorn,  ok thank you
[18:44] <Milos_SD> Hi
[18:45] <Milos_SD> Does Ubuntu 10.10 works ok with Intel i3 integrated GPU?
[18:50] <om26er> Milos_SD, you can try it with downloading the ISO from releases.ubuntu.com and boot in live session
[18:51] <mikehh> bah - I disabled the nVidia driver - it still goes to a blank screen after I log in
[18:53] <mikehh> Ubuntu 10.10 amd64 - updated works fine (where I am now) - Kubuntu 10.10 amd64 (updated about an hour ago) goes to a blank screen (mouse pointer works - nothing else)
[18:57] <mikehh> the latest update (here) had some kde stuff, which presumable might fix it
[18:59] <mikehh> I have no idea how to update Kubuntu - I am connected via wireless pci card and don't know how to connect that from cli in Kubuntu
[19:02] <TeslaTony> Is there anything I can do to speed up searching for programs in 10.10 UNR? Since I have no menu or alt+f2, I have to look through a large, clumsy menu that uses some graphical effects that I don't think my netbook can handle
[19:03] <penguin42> mikehh: If Kubuntu uses network manager you might be able to do it with nmcli
[19:04] <yofel> Kubuntu does use network manager by default
[19:05]  * penguin42 doesn't know how to use nmcli but it's man page does seem to suggest that you can bring connections up with it
[19:25] <mikehh> methinks I am going to back up my root and home partins for this working system before doing anything else :-}
[19:27] <nemo> one more reason to hate polkit
[19:27] <nemo> anyone ever notice that after typing in your password, the prompt vanishes, but the dialog stays up?
[19:28] <nemo> just, unresponsive.
[19:28] <nemo> closing the dialog w/ the X appears to make the app proceed normally
[19:31] <SeRVeR01> nemo yes same thing happened with me
[19:32] <SeRVeR01>  /j #eglug
[19:34] <K41> hi
[19:34] <K41> i got an issue regarding wireless
[19:35] <K41> as soon as power is disconnected ... its realy slow ... any idea?
[19:36] <K41> I'm using STA-Broadcom driver on a Dell D630 Notebook
[19:36] <nemo> K41: haven't encountered that myself but... anything in dmesg and - does wifi like spike your CPU or anything?
[19:36] <nemo> K41: for wpa or whatnot?
[19:36] <nemo> 'cause certainly your CPU might go to a low power profile
[19:36] <K41> wpa
[19:37] <K41> strange thing .. with power cable: 1 ms delay to AO
[19:37] <K41> AP
[19:37] <K41> without about 200ms
[19:37] <K41> jep 800Mhz ...
[19:38] <K41> but thats nearly always the case .. I didn't had the issue with 10.04
[19:38] <nemo> anything in dmesg from the wifi?
[19:38] <nemo> and. maybe 10.04 was less aggressive about restricting CPU
[19:38] <nemo> K41: could test by forcing 800mhz while on power
[19:38] <K41> like right now ;) ?
[19:39] <nemo> using the CPU freq scaling widget
[19:39] <nemo> er. applet
[19:39] <K41> as soon as the popup regarding the battery pops up ..
[19:39] <K41> its going slow
[19:39] <K41> throttled to 800Mhz still 1-2 ms delay
[19:41] <K41> nemo, as far as I can remember i had the same issue in an early version of 10.04 ...
[19:41] <K41> then i swtiched back to gentoo ...
[19:41] <K41> later everything worked fine ..
[19:42] <K41> STA-Broadcom driver .. if that helps
[19:45] <K41> anyone can help me regaring this issue??
[19:45] <TuGa> i have ubuntu 10.10 x64 desktop on and can not start x11vnc server from a remote ssh shell, what can i do to solve this?
[19:47] <penguin42> TuGa: What error does it give?
[19:49] <TuGa> penguin42, humm wen i execute on putty shell the x11vnc command it just doesnt show anything, were can i see the messag log for this?
[19:50] <penguin42> TuGa: The command you used has a -o and a x11vn.log - maybe that says?
[19:53] <TuGa> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/kZRccm1W
[19:54] <thomas82> could you please tell me if the following log in Xorg.log is standard or not? I'm expecting some CPU lag from time to time, and trying to find why... here it is:   http://pastebin.com/wQPs1ihT
[19:54] <penguin42> TuGa: So you've already started X by logging as the same user, and now you've ssh'd in?
[19:55] <penguin42> thomas82: That bit looks OK to me
[19:55] <thomas82> penguin42: Thank you, I'll look elsewhere.. :)
[19:56] <K41> hm ... has anyone an idea how to debug my wireless problem?
[19:56] <nemo> K41: so. did you try my suggestion ?
[19:56] <nemo> both of them?
[19:57] <nemo> so far I see no evidence you did :-p
[19:57] <nemo> just more "help"
[19:57] <TuGa> i'm log in has "normal" user after that create the ssh tunnel to this machine and only them i need to start the x11vnc session
[19:57] <K41> nothing in dmesg...
[19:57] <K41> and i'm throttleing it down to 800MHz right now ..
[19:57] <nemo> K41: aaand, restricting to 800mhz?
[19:57] <nemo> ah
[19:57] <nemo> finally :-p
[19:57] <K41> everything is fine
[19:57] <nemo> m'k
[19:58] <penguin42> TuGa: Sorry I don't understand that
[19:58] <K41> i need to be related to some kind of energy saving thing
[19:58] <K41> its just slow when the Popup in gnome appears
[19:58] <K41> 3-4 seconds after i pull the plug
[19:59] <nemo> K41: clearly such issues are not linux-unique
[19:59] <nemo> http://www.google.com/search?q=slow+wifi+on+battery
[19:59] <TuGa> penguin42, this desktop is always session locked, from a remote machine i make a ssh client session to it, and using that tunnel i start x11vnc server. and this runed on 9.10 no stress.
[19:59] <K41> before the update everything was fine .. hm
[20:00] <alex88__> hi, i'm trying netbook edition...i've removed firefox and installed chromium..how can i add it to the launchers on the left?
[20:01] <DanaG> heh, update-manager is funny...
[20:01] <alex88__> i've read to run the app and right-click-> keep in launcher..but i haven't that option
[20:01] <penguin42> TuGa: OK, my guess is it's related to the change in XAUTHORITY; it's not now in .xauthority, but in /var/run/gdm/something when you log in via GDM, I'm guessing you'll need to set XAUTHORITY before running x11vnc
[20:01] <DanaG> "Downloading Packages Packages"
[20:01]  * penguin42 wonders why that changed
[20:01] <DanaG> "Downloading Packages Sources Packages"
[20:01] <DanaG> "Downloading Sources Sources"
[20:02] <TuGa> penguin42, how can i set XAUTHORITY?
[20:02] <K41> nemo, any idea where to look??
[20:03] <penguin42> TuGa: I'm not 100% sure of the right solution; when you log in to the desktop session do   echo $XAUTHORITY, then   before you run x11vnc try doing export XAUTHORITY=whatever the echo told you
[20:04] <TuGa> penguin42, ok will give it a try tks
[20:05] <alex88__> remaking question, where is stored the list of launchers in unity?
[20:06] <nemo> K41: nope :)
[20:07] <K41> nemo, hm ;)
[20:11] <alex88__> ok..no one knows
[20:12] <alex88__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/630066 seems like a known bug
[20:13] <Pici> it seems like a fix was committed.
[20:14] <alex88__> Pici: seen that..searching deeper
[20:14] <alex88__> because i can't dock just chromium
[20:14] <K41> hey nemo
[20:14] <K41> hab nen ansatz ,,
[20:14] <K41> wenn ich iwconfig eth1 power off mache
[20:14] <K41> ist alles wieder schnell ...
[20:14] <Pici> !de | K41
[20:15] <K41> sry
[20:17] <Pici> alex88__: Have you done any updates recently?
[20:17] <K41> nemo, if I do iwconfig eth1 power off .. everything is fine again ..
[20:18] <alex88__> Pici: i've installed with internet connected saying to install updates..and it has downloaded things..btw, running again..
[20:18] <nemo> K41: eth1 being your wifi?
[20:18] <K41> right ;)
[20:18] <alex88__> Pici: right.. bamfdaemon found as updated..probably the fix is there
[20:19] <K41> nemo, powersaving seems to set this somewhere . any idea where?
[20:19] <step21> hi, apt-get always fails to get http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/Release ... any idea why?
[20:20] <penguin42> step21: What errors does it give? I had to import a key at one point
[20:21] <mvk> i just updated my maverick install
[20:21] <Andre_Gondim> my empathy doesn't connect with gtalk protocol
[20:21] <mvk> but now all i see, after rebooting - is a terminal login
[20:21] <mvk>  i verified the dmesg/ Xorg0.log -> but there are not errors in there
[20:21] <mvk> is there something fishy in the last updates? (i already tried reinstalling graphics drivers.. but no result, they load fine anyhow)????
[20:22] <yofel> what graphics card and drivers?
[20:22] <mvk> nvidia-current
[20:22] <mvk> (that worked fine 5mins ago)
[20:23] <mvk> actually, i do see the Xorg server cursor ..... when i move the mouse, but no desktop......................... or any graphics of any kind
[20:23] <yofel> what does 'sudo service gdm restart' do? (or kdm, lxdm, depending on what you use)
[20:23] <yofel> oh? then X starts fine at least, maybe the login manager broke then
[20:24] <nemo> K41: no to that too, although if you don't find it, I guess  you could just script it to local start or somesuch
[20:24] <mvk> kdm start/running, process 1887
[20:24] <K41> nemo, at least i can work now ;)
[20:24] <K41> nemo, thanks for you google link - i was looking ubuntu related .. without success
[20:25] <step21> penguin42, yes it complains about a key as well, but it is a fresh install from the rc, so keys should be imported ...
[20:25] <mvk> yofel: i get to see my tty ... in 1920x1080 (nouveau is not running), but i cannot type anything into it
[20:25] <step21> right?
[20:25] <mvk> yofel: its highly unlikely its my graphicscard-driver, no reports in either xorglog or dmesg at all
[20:26] <TuGa> penguin42, the tick with the echo worked in Perfection!
[20:26] <mvk> yofel: can i load the desktop bypassing kdm somehow?
[20:26] <penguin42> TuGa: Great, it's a rather annoying change, I don't think anyone really knows why GDM did it
[20:26] <nemo> K41: so. looks like overaggressive power saving is cross-OS
[20:27] <TuGa> penguin42,  i used   /var/run/gdm/auth-for-auth-for-gdm-DpAzG2/
[20:27] <thomas82> ehh that's really pity that Ubuntu with 2.6.35 kernel is so useless :( Very high system load from time to time, and it seems like "nothing" cause it :/
[20:27] <TuGa> penguin42, because i used the export do i have to do the export after every boot?
[20:27] <yofel> mvk: well, you can login and try to run 'sudo startx', not sure what that will give you then, if you only get a xterm maybe run 'startkde'
[20:28] <penguin42> thomas82: A few people have said that, can you just leave vmstat 1   running and see if you can spot anything when it's unresponsive
[20:28] <thomas82> I guess that is definitely kernel problem... I used also gentoo and sabayon with 2.6.35 and the same problem with the same programs runing..
[20:28] <penguin42> TuGa: Yes, and the path will be different each time
[20:28] <JAMD456> How do I remove a PPA and downgrade/restore the package to the original state
[20:28] <thomas82> penguin42: you won't see nothing special in vmstat 1 when the problem occurs :(
[20:28] <penguin42> JAMD456: Using ppa-purge
[20:28] <TuGa> penguin42,  :s no hack i can do to it?
[20:28] <penguin42> thomas82: Sure?
[20:28] <penguin42> TuGa: Not that I know
[20:29] <thomas82> penguin42: yes
[20:29] <mvk> yofel: when i try to run startkde, it says that kdebase-workspace-bin is not installed
[20:29] <penguin42> thomas82: That's very odd
[20:29] <JAMD456> penguin42 will that remove all of the PPAs?
[20:29] <martez89> can someone help me with enabling the dynpm power management?
[20:29] <mvk> when i try to apt-get install that, i get E: broken packages..........
[20:30] <yofel> mvk: ouch, please check your packages or remove and install kubuntu-desktop again
[20:30] <JAMD456> penguin42 I only want to remove one
[20:30] <penguin42> JAMD456: I think you tell it which one you want to purge
[20:30] <step21> thomas82, I had that with indicator-sound, and it is a problem with indicator sound trying to reconnect with pulseaudio, maybe that's it
[20:30] <yofel> mvk: if you have amd64, there was an inconsistency in the archive which could have removed packages if you updated carelessly
[20:30] <mvk> yofel: apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[20:30] <mvk> 'kubuntu-desktop is not installed'
[20:30] <mvk> omf
[20:30] <yofel> erm, install it ^^
[20:31] <martez89> by adding radeon.modeset=1 radeon.dynpm=1 to grub dynpm power management will be enabled?
[20:31] <thomas82> I've notice that the problem exist when I got running dynamips / GNS3.. However I've checked and on Ubuntu 10.04 the problem doens't exist
[20:31] <step21> so ... how/where do I get the key for the extras repo?
[20:32] <mvk> yofel: when i try to, it shows a list of 30 K packages, and then E:broken packages
[20:32] <TuGa> penguin42, ok maybe this bug its solved in the next update. tks
[20:32] <mvk> o, when i try it again
[20:32] <mvk> now it wants to install kubuntu-desktop
[20:32] <yofel> mvk: can you run sudo apt-get update and try again?
[20:32] <mvk> did 5 times
[20:32] <JAMD456> penguin42 thanks for your help
[20:32] <thomas82> penguin42: I'm logging vmstat 1 output to file, next time I'll get a fast increasing a system load, I'll post it, maybe here someone will spot something ;)
[20:32] <penguin42> TuGa: Thing is I don't think it's a bug, I think it's a change in behaviour - and not one I like!
[20:32] <yofel> mvk: try a sudo apt-get install -f
[20:32] <mvk> now after last time, it actually wants to update..... / install kubuntu-desktop
[20:33] <yofel> ah, then good
[20:33] <mvk> yofel: how it got in the first place, kpackage remove kubuntu-desktop
[20:33] <mvk> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111, i only updated (a load of) packages
[20:33] <TuGa> penguin42, :s
[20:33] <yofel> well, could have been removed due to a depenceny conflict as I said
[20:33] <mvk> Its uncool, maverick deinstalled my kubuntu-desktop
[20:34] <yofel> I'm not sure how kpk handles those
[20:34] <yofel> I usually use aptitude or muon
[20:34] <mvk> yofel: when a mirror is updating.... is it possible my system mixes up packages?
[20:35] <mvk> just guessing, but dependency conflict or not, i found this pretty annoying............................
[20:36] <yofel> well, more likely is launchpad not publishing packages fast enough and you ending up with broken dependencies for a few hours
[20:36] <yofel> depends on the package manager how it handles them
[20:37] <mvk> yofel: well, imo a repos shouldnt be available then for updating
[20:37] <yofel> tell *that* to launchpad
[20:37] <IdleOne> Just a little reminder folks
[20:37] <Pici> You should watch to see what your package manager is suggesting before you let it do crazy things, epecially when running a beta.
[20:37] <IdleOne> !party
[20:38] <K41> can anyone tell me where I can modify power saving settings on battery?
[20:41] <mvk> K41: kubuntu or ubuntu?
[20:41] <K41> mvk, ubuntu ;)
[20:42] <K41> since 10.10 the wireless power saving mode on battery has been changed ...
[20:48] <syke> hi
[20:48] <syke> I've found a serious kernel panic regression in 10.10's 2.6.35 kernel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/653238
[20:49] <syke> I tried another brand of desktop with the same chipset and similar BIOS, and it happens on that also
[20:49] <syke> booting into the 2.6.32 kernel "fixes" it, but is not an option for deployment
[20:49] <syke> any help is greatly appreciated
[20:52] <yofel> seems like it can't reset the AHCI controller, can you use IDE mode?
[20:55] <funnylookinhat> Anyone here installed on a Macbook Pro 5,5 ?
[20:55] <funnylookinhat> The trackpad is basically useless...  :(
[20:56] <_mag_> funnylookinhat: I agree. But I can't offer any insight
[20:56] <funnylookinhat> _mag_: well at least I have some emotional support here :)
[20:56] <_mag_> funnylookinhat: It doesn't even show up as a trackpad to configure (in kubuntu)
[20:56] <_mag_> :)
[20:57] <syke> yofel: in the BIOS, I can only set between ACPI, AHCI, and RAID modes
[20:57] <syke> there's no "IDE" setting
[20:57] <syke> yofel: but this also worked just fine in 10.04, and works fine if I boot into the 2.6.32 kernel
[20:57] <penguin42> syke: Well it does look like a bug, but to work around I would probably try ACPI and see if that works
[20:58] <yofel> it *is* a kernel regression, but I can't think of any other solution besides fixing the kernel and not using AHCI
[20:59] <_mag_> So, I'm using the netbook remix, and I think the launcher bar on the left hand side of my screen is just in the way. Is there any
[20:59] <_mag_> way to hide it or disable it entirely? I've tried logging in with the "Ubuntu Netbook 2D"-variant. This mode is without the sidebar, but it is without the neat global menubar. I'm a bit picky about my screen real estate, you see ;)
[20:59] <yofel> funnylookinhat: as what is the trackpad even recognised?
[20:59] <funnylookinhat> yofel: not sure what you're asking...  ?
[21:00] <mrbrown> does anybody know if ubuntu 10.10 has problems with virtual terminals?
[21:00] <yofel> funnylookinhat: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[21:00] <syke> penguin42: okay, I'll try that. will that be less performant?
[21:00] <funnylookinhat> yofel: booted back into OS X for now to get work done - I can try to find you later though w/ it.
[21:01] <yofel> k
[21:02] <donri> How to check if an installed package comes from PPA or repos?
[21:03] <Pici> donri: apt-cache policy packagename
[21:04] <donri> Thanks
[21:05] <penguin42> syke: Not sure
[21:10] <syke> pengiun42: I use this machine for compiling a lot, which is why it has dual 10K RPM drives in it
[21:10] <_mag_> yofel: On my MacBookPro5,5, it says bcm5974 recognizes the touchpad as a touchpad. Still want the whole log?
[21:10] <syke> I'll test the performance, but if it's significantly less, that will be a non-starter for me as well :(
[21:10] <reverie> may i ask , is 10.10 rc and final version are the same?
[21:11] <Pici> Not necessarily.
[21:11] <syke> on top of my wacom tablet also no longer working, and the PPAs not supporting maverick, I may have to go back to 10.04 :(
[21:11] <syke> which is too bad, because I was looking forward to the toolchain and mono improvements
[21:11] <reverie> hmm
[21:12] <donri> INFO: using unknown version '/usr/bin/python2.7' (debian_defaults not up-to-date?) ← I get this message a lot when doing APT stuff, what's up?
[21:13] <trism> donri: did you change the default python version?
[21:14] <donri> Nope, just install 2.7
[21:14] <donri> $ LANG=C update-alternatives --list python
[21:14] <donri> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for python.
[21:15] <donri> And actually, $ python --version
[21:15] <donri> Python 2.6.6
[21:16] <syke> I wonder if my kernel panic is related to this:
[21:16] <syke> mdadm: unrecognised word on ARRAY line: RAID
[21:16] <syke> mdadm: unrecognised word on ARRAY line: Array
[21:16] <syke> mdadm: unrecognised word on ARRAY line: RAID
[21:16] <syke> mdadm: unrecognised word on ARRAY line: Array
[21:16] <syke> I see that when I do a dpkg-reconfigure on the kernel package
[21:17] <penguin42> That's weird
[21:17] <_mag_> yofel: Here's the entire Xorg.0.log (that you asked funnylookinhat for): http://pastebin.com/VUSVZ22i
[21:19] <syke> my mdadm.conf isn't much to look at, either.
[21:19] <syke> holy shit
[21:19] <syke> I think I figured this out
[21:20] <syke> check out this line from mdadm.conf
[21:20] <syke> ARRAY /dev/md/New RAID Array level=raid0 metadata=1.2 num-devices=2 UUID=3244e512:342d26eb:3d14e6d9:431f9aa1 name=:New RAID Array
[21:20] <syke> the name "New RAID Array" was the default name used by the Disk Utility
[21:20] <penguin42> syke: I bet it doesn't like the spaces in the name
[21:20] <syke> yup
[21:20] <syke> I'll change that and see if the kernel boots
[21:20] <penguin42> syke: Doubt that causes your oops though
[21:21] <syke> but what a weird regression
[21:21] <syke> pengiun42: I'll try it real quick and re-join to report
[21:21] <syke> brb
[21:21] <dajhorn> zniavre: Don't use that PPA that I gave you earlier.  The updated nvidia-173 driver package in Maverick was updated a few hours ago.
[21:22] <trism> donri: what does /usr/share/python/debian_defaults look like?
[21:22] <yofel> _mag_: that looks fine at first glance but I don't know too much about macs, might be worth to compare to a lucid log if you have one
[21:23] <n01s3> YYYYYYYYYYYYYEehah! Rally them maverickz!
[21:24] <trism> donri: nm, yeah that's the problem, python2.7 isn't in that file, so it complains in packages that use python-central, and others
[21:25] <_mag_> yofel: No such luck :/
[21:26] <trism> donri: although adding it doesn't seem to help, it just adds another info message for python2.6 too, hmm
[21:26] <donri> trism: python-central?
[21:26] <trism> donri: yeah, they are helper scripts for building pure python packages
[21:26] <donri> default-version = python2.6
[21:27] <donri> 2.7 isn't listed in any field
[21:27] <donri> Is this a bug that there is a package for 2.7 but it's not listed anywhere there?
[21:32] <olskolirc> is maverick in the repository yet?
[21:33] <yofel> olskolirc: I don't get what you're asking, the RC is out if you mean that
[21:33] <trism> donri: yes, it is a bug in the python-minimal package, python2.7 should be added to debian_defaults (removed the info message for me, I forgot the comma the first time which broke it more)
[21:34] <donri> Report, you or me? :)
[21:34] <syke> changing to ATA in the BIOS hard hangs on boot, before even loading the kernel
[21:34] <trism> donri: you if you want to
[21:34] <syke> and fixing the name of the RAID array in mdadm.conf didn't make a difference; 2.6.35 still panics on boot
[21:35] <olskolirc> is there a repository for it yofel?
[21:36] <yofel> olskolirc: well, there is, if your definition of repository is the same as mine
[21:37] <olskolirc> ok bypassing yofel
[21:37] <olskolirc> anyone have the repository link for meerkat please?
[21:38] <yofel> olskolirc: if you want to install maverick see the RC link in the topic
[21:39] <yofel> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010
[21:41] <_mag_> So, I'm using the netbook remix, and I think the launcher bar on the left hand side of my screen is just in the way. Is there any
[21:41] <_mag_> way to hide it or disable it entirely? I've tried logging in with the "Ubuntu Netbook 2D"-variant. This mode is without the sidebar, but it is without the neat global menubar. I'm a bit picky about my screen real estate, you see ;)
[21:41] <donri> trism: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/+bug/654826  if you want to add anything
[21:41] <donri> trism: Why doesn't it bug with Python 3 which isn't listed either?
[21:43] <trism> donri: there was/is a bug, but it was marked invalid, which may happen to this one too (since 2.7 technically isn't supported until natty)
[21:44] <donri> OK. Can this cause any problems?
[21:52] <trism> donri: it might, I'm not sure
[21:54] <syke> ok, I have a workaround
[21:54] <syke> this is a known kernel regression
[21:54] <syke> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16228
[21:54] <zniavre> dajhorn, yes thank you i saw it before
[21:54] <syke> booting with pci=norcs fixes the problem
[21:56] <syke> there are patches attached to that kernel bug to fix the issue
[21:56] <olskolirc> im sick of klipper!  I can't c/p when i want too how do I disable it so I can c/p all i want WITHOUT having to clear the clipper please?
[21:56] <olskolirc> klipper
[22:03] <sda1986> hi all, i have a couple of problem with my webcam. I have an asus F3jp laptop with a ID 05e1:0501 Syntek Semiconductor Co., Ltd DC-1125 Webcam. Problem 1. Low quality definition how can I solve it? Problem 2. When I start the cam a led turn it on, but never turn it off. I know the webcam it doesn't work because i putted a programm camera monitor but it's annoying! Please help
[22:08] <cmpsalvestrini> Good day ppl
[22:08] <cmpsalvestrini> Well I've found out an interesting quirk in lovely maverick
[22:09] <cmpsalvestrini> Substantially you can't boot after the install for some reason, I had to go the roundabout way and install from the live environment.
[22:10] <juk> I cannot set colors in gedit pycononsole http://pastebin.com/2qpNqpHG
[22:14] <olskolirc> ubuntu releases in a few days, is it almost bug free?  what are the biggest complaints before i make a commitment and please don't tell me to rtfm i have a crisis and no time - if you have the answer donate it please.
[22:14] <olskolirc> meerkat rather
[22:14] <krabador> i've some problem with firefox 3.6.10 and the latest flashplugin-nonfree on the today's daily build: running one by one some site with flash object, the plugin crash after 3-4 sites
[22:15] <cmpsalvestrini> is it me or btrfs is sorta slow?
[22:15] <donri> olskolirc: If you have a crisis and no time I wouldn't update from LTS
[22:16] <DanaG> cmpsalvestrini: I don't think it's just you.
[22:16] <DanaG> Even phoronix.com has benchmarked btrfs, and found it slow.
[22:16] <cmpsalvestrini> so btrfs *is* sorta slow
[22:17] <DanaG> A bigger issue: it reports "no free disk space" at 75% usage.
[22:17] <olskolirc> try adobeflash plugin krabador
[22:17] <olskolirc> ok donri
[22:17] <olskolirc> im prepping my system and backin s* up and im scared :-(
[22:17] <cmpsalvestrini> hrm. should not have used btrfs as my / filesystem... :(
[22:18] <krabador> olskolirc: but flashplugin-nonfree don't go to adobe to download the plugin?
[22:19] <cmpsalvestrini> What about adobe square? you know the famed 64bit flash plugin... is that available yet
[22:19] <donri> olskolirc: Non-LTS releases are in a way preview releases of the next LTS release. If you want stability stick with LTS.
[22:19] <cmpsalvestrini> blast it I want zfs
[22:19] <step21> DanaG, I thought that was due toencryption or something
[22:20] <DanaG> A bigger issue, for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/612591
[22:21] <olskolirc> krabador, sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[22:23] <krabador> olskolirc: ok
[22:24] <donri> olskolirc: Requires partners repo enabled yes?
[22:25] <olskolirc> ? donri?
[22:25] <donri> adobe-flashplugin
[22:25] <olskolirc> no donri its in the repository i don't know which repsitory its in i have all of mine checked except for dvd (of course)
[22:26] <donri> Then you have partners enabled
[22:30] <cmpsalvestrini> gahh, the humanity... with btrfs this slow it's gonna take furevar to install anything
[22:30] <cmpsalvestrini> what fs can I use to make it better I wonder
[22:32] <olskolirc> what is btrfs cmpsalvestrini ?
[22:33] <donri> olskolirc: A filesystem
[22:33] <cmpsalvestrini> a new filesystem for linux that is said to be linux's answer to zfs, which is a filesystem used by Solaris
[22:33] <donri> cmpsalvestrini: Why not ext4?
[22:33] <yofel> well, ext4 is a bit faster, but package installation has been slow in general since dpkg started to explicitely sync files to the disk
[22:33] <cmpsalvestrini> How about reiser or xfs or jfs?
[22:34] <cmpsalvestrini> I'm just exploring my options here
[22:34] <yofel> haven't tested reiser, jfs feels same as ext to me, didn't test it much, and xfs is slow when it comes to operations with many files
[22:34] <step21> cmpsalvestrini, i dunno, i didn't noticed btrfs being slow
[22:35] <cmpsalvestrini> what about phoronix's review step21, it said it was slow... just repeating something I heard earlier here
[22:35] <donri> yofel: What did dpkg do before?
[22:36] <cmpsalvestrini> ah, so it's all the update manager's fault that my system is crawling?
[22:36] <yofel> donri: simply write the files on disk, with creating a tempfile and renaming it afterwards, but we got a lot of exec format error bug reports with 0 byte files so dpkg was patched to use fsync()
[22:37] <step21> cmpsalvestrini, yeah, ofc I'm only talking from personal exprience here.
[22:37] <yofel> I think they changed that to sync() later, but I can't remember what exactly the current state is
[22:37]  * cmpsalvestrini grumbles, a pox on breakage
[22:38] <step21> also I was really surprised that the citrix client and cisco anyconnect now work really well.
[22:38] <step21> cmpsalvestrini, maybe, esp. software center seems to be really slow as well.
[22:49] <cmpsalvestrini> well maybe so, but this much disk thrashing can't be good
[22:50] <brennan> wew that was a crazy install
[22:51] <brennan> how many people have bought the wallpaper
[22:51] <brennan> haha
[22:53] <step21> cmpsalvestrini, well I have os x alongside ubuntu and soon a thinkpad as backup, so even if btrfs would wreck, it wouldn't be too bad
[22:54] <brennan> so i can report a relatively slow but successful install
[22:54] <brennan> i download like 2 MB/s cant imagine how long choosing download option would be for avg user
[22:54] <brennan> but yeah nice work gents and ladies
[22:55] <brennan> are those crazy repo default settings just for testing purposes?
[22:56] <g0tcha> hey guys, does ubuntu 10.10 work good with touchscreen tablet pcs like the hp touchsmart tm2?
[22:56] <step21> which ones?
[22:58] <brennan>   nevermind i see what it is
[22:58] <brennan> the ''restricted' and 'multiverse' nm
[22:58] <cmpsalvestrini> *yawn
[22:58] <brennan> true
[22:59] <brennan> oh yeah this public key error in synaptic
[22:59] <brennan> im guessing youve heard about it already
[22:59] <brennan> lol
[22:59] <yofel> it still errors about the extras repos?
[22:59] <brennan> on the default repo, i selected my usual mirror
[23:00] <brennan> though
[23:00] <brennan> ill file on launchpad
[23:09] <cmpsalvestrini> yes I still get an unsigned warning, nothing gpg can't handle I suppose?
[23:11] <yofel> cmpsalvestrini: *which* repos does it complain about?
[23:11] <cmpsalvestrini> yofel: extras I believe
[23:11] <ChogyDan> what can I do to get deluge fixed?
[23:12] <yofel> cmpsalvestrini: that's odd, ubuntu-desktop depends on ubuntu-extras-keyring, so you shouldn't get a gpg warning as long as that's installed
[23:12] <thomas82> I think I finally managed to find what cause my CPU Lag... It looks like X - so probably caused by Ati driver, could you please confirm it??   Here is an output from vmstat 1 followed by 2 screenshots with gnome-system-monitor + htop + vmstat in the time of "attack".  http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SmZ2Usbc http://www.wstaw.org/h/88bd05dfb0c http://www.wstaw.org/h/164308b7723
[23:13] <neurochrome> quick question... why is there a a load of plugins removed from compiz in the latest version?  I've got way more to hand in Jaunty, the "Show Desktop" plugin is not there anymore, meaning I don't have a slick 'to-the-corners' slide anymore.... What is going off???!!!
[23:13] <thomas82> it wasn't so high as before (>20 average load) but even ~10 is too much. (now I got <0.85) and everything is the same...
[23:14] <brennan> neurochrome: you just upgraded from jaunty to the RC?
[23:14] <neurochrome> no, I still have jaunty on my laptop, I've used karmic and lucid on other machines (HTPC's)
[23:14] <penguin42> neurochrome: You sure they aren't in extra packages?
[23:15] <neurochrome> penguin42, you tell me?
[23:15] <DanaG> I had to stop using showdesktop, because it kept getting stuck with windows lost off the sides.
[23:15] <penguin42> neurochrome: I don't really use compiz, but I know there is a compiz-fusion-plugins and a compiz-plugins I' not sure if there are others
[23:15] <brennan> Did you download the RC to be a tester or expecting a working product?
[23:15] <penguin42> neurochrome: Ooh and a compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[23:15] <brennan> submit bugs in launchpad
[23:15] <neurochrome> DanaG, that _still_ not fixed?! lol
[23:16] <brennan> fix it yourself or wait til sunday
[23:16] <neurochrome> penguin42, I'll have a look next time I boot it
[23:16] <brennan> canonical uses betas and RCs as a marketing buzz tool
[23:16] <brennan> this problem happens every six months
[23:16] <brennan> anyhoo
[23:16] <brennan> take it easy
[23:17] <neurochrome> has the bug been fixed where if you set the desktop to automatically login at boot during the installer, then you ahve to enter the keyring password EVERY TIME when the desktop comes up to gain access to wifi... that was epic fail
[23:18] <neurochrome> if you have to enter the password then you might as well, have a login screen...
[23:18] <U2010> Hello. can anyone tell me what's the status of btrfs in meerkat's release candidate?
[23:18] <neurochrome> U2010, no idea...
[23:19] <neurochrome> U2010, don't hold your breath
[23:19] <yofel> U2010: you can use it from the manual partition menu, if you want to use it for root you need a seperate non-btrfs /boot partition as grub can't boot on btrfs yet
[23:20] <U2010> And how stable is it?
[23:20] <coz_> dhey guys, notice that synaptic is far slower on maverick than on lucid... someone working on this?
[23:25] <td123> who is going to have an ubuntu party?
[23:28] <weboide> Hello all, I've got quite a few kernel panics but kernel-oops does not seem to notice them... any idea why?
[23:28] <yofel> weboide: because it's disabled since RC
[23:29] <penguin42> weboide: Out of interest which ones?
[23:29] <yofel> you'll have to enable it in /etc/default/kerneloops
[23:29] <penguin42> yofel: It is? How do you reenable it?
[23:29] <penguin42> oh
[23:29] <yofel> same goes for apport
[23:29] <yofel> (crash catching part)
[23:29] <weboide> yofel: well, great to know, thanks a lot :)
[23:30] <yofel> weboide: and don't forget to actually start the service or reboot after editing the file ;)
[23:31] <weboide> yofel: I'll make sure of that, thanks
[23:31] <WebDawg> ??
[23:31] <step21> btw, although the person left, in the rc if you select btrfs the installer actually tells you that you need a boot partition I think
[23:31] <yofel> WebDawg: hi, got a question?
[23:31] <TheLimeRunner> Hey, I am experiencing some problems. Looking to see if I can get some help.
[23:31] <TheLimeRunner> I'm experiencing sever mouse lag.
[23:31] <TheLimeRunner> With 10.10
[23:32] <WebDawg> What is #ubuntu+1?
[23:32] <Licuadora> And I dont have any sound in 10.10
[23:32] <TheLimeRunner> My graphics chipset is the intel mobile 4 express
[23:32] <yofel> !topic | WebDawg
[23:32] <penguin42> TheLimeRunner: Hmm someone else said they had that, I've not got it on either of my machines
[23:32] <WebDawg> I did read the topic.  But why the channel?
[23:32] <TheLimeRunner> I updated the latest Xorg and the expiramental mesa drivers
[23:32] <penguin42> TheLimeRunner: ANd it didn't help?
[23:32] <WebDawg> Ahh.
[23:32] <TheLimeRunner> penguin42 It's the the point that booting is useless.
[23:32] <TheLimeRunner> Nope.
[23:32] <WebDawg> What version will this be?
[23:32] <yofel> WebDawg: this channel is the support room for the development release, and maverick isn't released yet
[23:33] <yofel> WebDawg: 10.10
[23:33] <Licuadora> ubuntu+1 is the channel you are redirect when in #ubuntu can't help you
[23:33] <penguin42> TheLimeRunner: Can you get your dmesg to a pastebin?
[23:33] <WebDawg> Is 10.10 LTS?
[23:33] <step21> no
[23:33] <TheLimeRunner> Hmm I can try.
[23:33] <penguin42> Licuadora: No!
[23:33] <yofel> WebDawg: no, 12.04 will be the next LTS
[23:33] <TheLimeRunner> I'll brb  I have to reboot.
[23:33] <Licuadora> oh...
[23:33] <WebDawg> 12.04?!?!?!?!
[23:33] <WebDawg> What happens with 11?
[23:33] <Licuadora> Well, I have 10.10 and no sound
[23:34] <TheLimeRunner> WebDawg Yeah, that's the next release after 10.04's 3 year support is up
[23:34] <penguin42> WebDawg: This channel is always the next one, when Maverick releases its discussion will go back to #ubuntu and a little while later we'll talk about Natty on here
[23:34] <yofel> WebDawg: the release that comes out in April 2012, only every 4th ubuntu release is LTS
[23:34] <WebDawg> What happens when you get to UBUNTU V20
[23:34] <TheLimeRunner> We use 20.04?
[23:34] <WebDawg> Or a too high of a number?
[23:34] <TheLimeRunner> Or 20.10
[23:34] <WebDawg> Really?
[23:34] <TheLimeRunner> Yeah
[23:34] <WebDawg> Interesting.
[23:34] <TheLimeRunner> Why?
[23:34] <Licuadora> I was compiling the latest ALSA when this happen
[23:34] <Licuadora> /home/osmodivs/ALSA/alsa-driver-1.0.23/acore/pcm_native.c:492: error: implicit declaration of function ‘pm_qos_add_requirement’
[23:35] <Licuadora> I do not what that means
[23:35] <WebDawg> So eventually an Ubuntu 30010 will exist?
[23:35] <Licuadora> All I know is I have no sound
[23:35] <penguin42> Licuadora: Why were you building your own ?
[23:35]  * penguin42 looks at ubottu
[23:35]  * yofel didn't know that the bot triggered on ubuntu <bugnum> o.O
[23:35] <Licuadora> penguin42; Well, is there another way?
[23:35] <Licuadora> In synaptic I cant re install them
[23:36] <WebDawg> ubuntu 10254
[23:36] <WebDawg> wow
[23:36] <WebDawg> Thats kinda cool.
[23:36] <Licuadora> I even try to install a driverdetective.exe to see if it could find a driver for my sys... but failed
[23:36] <penguin42> WebDawg: Normally we do   bug .....  and it does that, I don't think we realised it did it for Ubuntu .....
[23:37] <WebDawg> Now you know.
[23:37] <penguin42> Licuadora: OK, hang on, what's your actual problem
[23:37] <TheLimeRunner> Hmm
[23:37] <Licuadora> no sound
[23:37] <WebDawg> See.  I solve problems everywhere I go.
[23:37] <TheLimeRunner> I am going to try a reinstall of 10.10
[23:37] <TheLimeRunner> Since I had some network issues as well.
[23:37] <WebDawg> TheLimeRunner, why?
[23:37] <yofel> WebDawg: the bot triggers on many things, usually 'bug <number>' is fine, as we now know, ubuntu <num> works too ('lp <num>' works too btw.)
[23:37] <penguin42> Licuadora: OK, can you pastebin /proc/asoung/cards
[23:37] <TheLimeRunner> WebDawg I've had graphics issues and network issues.
[23:37] <penguin42> Licuadora: /proc/asound/cards even
[23:37] <Licuadora> penguin; Wait, do I type that on the terminal?
[23:38] <penguin42> Licuadora: Install the pastebinit package
[23:38] <Licuadora> I dont have a sound acrd, I want to make the built on sound
[23:38] <penguin42> Licuadora: and do  pastebinit < /proc/asound/cards      don't worry, inbuilt are treated just like cards from that
[23:39] <Licuadora> --- no soundcards ---
[23:39] <Licuadora> Thats whats in there
[23:39] <penguin42> Licuadora: Hmm, ok, try   lspci | pastebinit
[23:40] <penguin42> we should be able to spot the pci device
[23:41] <Licuadora> root@djiin:~# lspci |pastebinit
[23:41] <Licuadora> http://pastebin.com/p48vGAdr
[23:42] <penguin42> Licuadora: That's Intel audio, you shouldn't need to build anything for that surely
[23:42] <TheLimeRunner> Intel audio works out of the box.
[23:42] <Licuadora> Well, for some reason I do not have any sound
[23:42] <TheLimeRunner> Ususally.
[23:42] <TheLimeRunner> Unless it's BRAND new.
[23:42] <penguin42> Licuadora: Hmm OK, has anything else odd been done to your system ?
[23:42] <penguin42> Licuadora: Are you running the standard kernel?
[23:43] <Licuadora> well, I had a sound card, but uninstall it to install a WIFI card
[23:43] <Licuadora> I belive is the standard, since I upgraded to 10.10
[23:43] <Licuadora> And since then, I have no sound
[23:43] <penguin42> Licuadora: Hmm, so you used to have a separate sound card, and took that out to fall back to the onboard one
[23:44] <TheLimeRunner> You probably need to switch devices.
[23:44] <Licuadora> I do not know how
[23:44] <penguin42> TheLimeRunner: The fact his /proc/asound/cards is empty is very odd though
[23:44] <TheLimeRunner> Oh.
[23:44] <TheLimeRunner> 0_0
[23:44] <TheLimeRunner> That's when I'd reinstall.
[23:44] <TheLimeRunner> haha
[23:44] <Licuadora> penguin42: Is there a way to fill it with some code?
[23:45] <TheLimeRunner> That's my favorite thing about linux
[23:45] <TheLimeRunner> Break something, so easy to reinstall the OS.
[23:45] <Licuadora> Nope, I reinstalled 10.04 and still had no sound
[23:45] <Licuadora> Not even eth0 works
[23:46] <penguin42> Licuadora: Hmm, I'm not really a sound person; can you do lsmod | grep hda and tell me if there are any matches?
[23:46] <Licuadora> Here is the strange thing: In an Ubuntu 8.04 LiveCD eth0 worked, but not in 10.04, and still not in 10.10
[23:47] <Licuadora> root@djiin:~# lsmod | grep hda
[23:47] <Licuadora> root@djiin:~#
[23:47] <penguin42> Licuadora: It's a bit odd, your machine isn't unusual; what does uname -a  say?
[23:47] <Licuadora> Linux djiin 2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Sun Sep 19 20:32:27 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:47] <krabador> hi, flashplugin-nonfree give me some problem, i can't install adobe-flashplugin
[23:48] <yofel> krabador: are you using 64bit?
[23:48] <krabador> yofel, 32bit
[23:49] <yofel> odd, you should be able to install adobe-flashplugin then
[23:49] <penguin42> Licuadora: OK, can you get the output of dmesg to pastebin
[23:50] <krabador> yofel, uni/multiverse repos, "apt-get install adobe-flashplugin" give me "not found"
[23:50] <yofel> krabador: it's in partner
[23:53] <Licuadora> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/fL12bxqh
[23:54] <step21> yofel, also flash works on 64 bit now as well. otherwise why did it work ootb for me?
[23:55] <step21> or if you opt not to install it at first it is available to install in software center
[23:55] <yofel> step21: flashplugin-installer downloads the 32bit flash and uses nspluginwrapper to get it to run on 64bit
[23:55] <step21> yofel, okay, but it still works.
[23:56] <penguin42> Licuadora: Nothing too odd in there I don't think; can you try   sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[23:56] <yofel> well, yeah, but it crashed periodically here, now I'm using the 64bit flash beta, which works fine
[23:56] <penguin42> yofel: I thought that was out of beta?
[23:56] <yofel> it was? I'll check
[23:57] <Licuadora> root@djiin:~# sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[23:57] <Licuadora> root@djiin:~#
[23:57] <penguin42> Licuadora: OK, has anything appeared in /proc/asound/cards ? does lsmod|grep hda show anything?
[23:57] <Licuadora> Why doesent anybody writes something that go and search for missing drivers?
[23:58] <step21> yofel, I thouhgt that as well. but I didn't check
[23:58] <yofel> penguin42: it still says 'preview release' on the adobe page
[23:58] <penguin42> Licuadora: It shouldn't need to - that should happen by magic
[23:59] <Licuadora> http://pastebin.com/EtsHwRaH
[23:59] <Licuadora> penguin42: please, review