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penguin42donri: Hmm curious, there are still quite a few things at 2.3000:01
donriWill they be updated before final release?00:01
ckwalshIn 10.10, did the behavior of the mysql root account change? I cannot login using it anymore, and the MySQL docs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset didn't help00:04
yfoeldonri: as final freeze is gone I seriously doubt it, they probably have their reason for it00:04
donri:/00:05
penguin42yfoel: It's surprising the same is true of gnome-panel00:05
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yofelyou'll have to ask in -desktop then I fear, as I don't track gnome anyomre00:06
yofel*anymore00:07
ckwalshHrm, got it fixed, but still doesn't explain why the password was changed without my knowledge in the first place00:07
* yofel can login to mysql fine00:09
kpomanhi ! it worked ! it installed fine now !00:09
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kpomanguys, what was the name of that excellent 3d effects for the desktop ???00:12
BUGabundocompiz and kwin00:12
BUGabundodepending on what WM you are using00:12
kpomani am using the default one00:14
kpomangnome i gues00:14
kpomans00:14
BUGabundocompiz it is00:14
BUGabundoinstall CCSM for extra control of effects00:14
BUGabundo!ccsm00:14
ubottuTo enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu: install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' or 'simple-ccsm'. If you install the latter, a new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz00:14
kpomanand how do I install the ati accelerated graphics ?00:14
BUGabundo!ati00:14
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not be currently installable at the moment00:14
* BUGabundo hugs ubottu00:15
Ian_cornematrox :D00:16
penguin42haven't used one of those for awhile00:17
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donriHow do I start indicator-datetime?00:28
kpomanguys just another generic question: how do I create a partition on a logical partition ? see basically my hard disk got: sda1=winxp, sda2=boot, sda3=swap, sda4=ubuntu root, ... I still have 200GB of free space, however fdisk wont let me do thing on it :( wtf ???00:30
kpomanI just want to creat e a shared space for both operating systems !!!00:30
penguin42kpoman: Ah00:30
penguin42kpoman: You need to create an extended partition in which the new logical partitions live (or is it the other way around)00:31
Vbitsthere seams to be a issue with my window borders, i can change and see them in Apperence fine though the buttons are on the wrong side and any other window fills the screen00:31
penguin42kpoman: So delete one (e.g. swap) and then create an extended partition and then it should let you create a swap and another one00:31
kpomanpenguin42: can I delete swap just like that ?00:32
penguin42kpoman: If you're using it it's probably best to do a swapoff -a  first :-)00:32
Vbitsanyone00:32
penguin42kpoman: And you'll need to fixup /etc/fstab when you recreate it00:33
kpomanpenguin42: see here, it kinda sucks:00:35
penguin42kpoman: Yeh PC partition does!00:35
donriThe play controls in sound-menu gets a theme-incompatible background, known bug?00:35
kpomanpenguin42: it says unusable :( wtf00:36
kpomanhttp://pastebin.com/LydU6muc00:36
kpomansee, sda1=winxp, sda2 was deleted00:36
kpomanoops, sda2 = boot00:37
Vbitsfor the record i did a upgrade to 10.10 using update-manager -d00:37
penguin42kpoman: Oops00:37
penguin42kpoman: That's not the layout you described00:37
kpomansda3 donno what is that00:37
kpomanpenguin42: yeah, i just deleted my swap then tried creating an extended one00:37
kpomanit is the updated layout00:37
kpomanI think i failed somehow00:37
kpomansda5 is the shared one00:37
penguin42kpoman: sda3 is the holder that allows you to have more partitions, i.e. 5 is probably one of the ones inside 300:38
penguin42kpoman: You should be able to create more as well00:38
kpomanthis is actually the new layout00:38
kpomanhttp://pastebin.com/g8cZit9C00:38
kpomanquite strange uh00:39
kpomanwhy does it say unusable ?00:39
* penguin42 much prefered the fdisk out put!00:39
kpomanhehh sure me too,00:39
kpomanbut it differs, unusable == wtf ??00:39
Ken8521kpoman, what were you trying to make it the swap?00:39
kpomani dont know, in general one would need a swap right ? i just killed my swap to allow creating a shared partition for both os00:40
Ken8521kpoman, what were you trying to do w/ that 2gig unusuable?00:40
Ken8521kpoman, did you make it primary or logical? cuz i thinkt here's a limit of 3 primary partitions.00:40
kpomanthat 2g unusable was my swap, i smashed it to allow creating a shared win/linux folder00:40
Ken8521ok..00:41
Ken8521whats the .64?00:41
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kpomanthere were 4 primary ones, and that was preventing me from creating extended ones ... then I killed the swap one00:41
Ken8521i see00:41
kpomanwhere is that .64 ?00:41
Ken8521you don't see where it says ".64 unusable"00:41
kpomanthen created a new one, this time extended00:42
penguin42bah don't worry about .64 :-)00:42
kpomanoh yes ! i dont know what is that :p00:42
Ken8521lol00:42
kpomanthe installer did put that junk there00:42
penguin42kpoman: So if you create a new one of say 1990 does it use that apparently unusable space?00:42
kpomanis it pron ? :D00:42
kpomanlol00:42
Ken8521well what happens when you make the 2gig unusable, a logical swap?00:42
kpomanI dont know why I got that unusable thing .. I would be happy if I could recreate my swap there as a extended one00:43
penguin42kpoman: So what happens if you try to create a new one?00:43
Vbitswhat should i do if i am missing xorg.conf in /etc/X1100:44
penguin42Vbits: You don't need it00:44
Ken8521kpoman, you should be able to i would think00:44
penguin42kpoman: OK, I think I see whats happened00:44
penguin42kpoman: There are two separate things you are dealing with; slots in the partition table and chunks of space00:44
Vbitspenguin42 also my window borders are missing, is that a related issue00:44
penguin42kpoman: You're chunks of space go sda1, sda2, GAP, sda4, <sda3:extended containing: sda5 >00:45
kpomanI cant, I just have unusable space !00:46
kpomanit doesnt even show me the create option00:46
penguin42kpoman: So deleting swap gave you a spare slot that let you create the extended, but becasuse it had a chunk of space free that wasn't in one block it can't be int he extended00:46
kpomanpenguin42: what should I do to solve the issue ?00:46
kpomanqtparted?  :(00:47
penguin42kpoman: Hmm00:47
kpomanbooting from a livecd ?00:47
kpoman:(00:47
penguin42kpoman: It's tricky, the free space is in an annoying position00:47
kpomanoops00:47
kpomancan I just move the sda2 to eat at least the first unusable junk ?00:48
Vbitsany help with my window borders issue00:48
penguin42kpoman: You could make sda2 bigger, but if that's your /boot it's not much help00:48
kpomanthen move the sda3 to closer position ?00:48
kpomanpenguin42: I just left it with 1G00:49
penguin42kpoman: Yeh you don't need any bigger00:49
penguin42kpoman: If I was doing it I would probably try something gross but evil that might be a bit dangerous00:50
penguin42ooh I can see a way out of this - not particularly nice, but easy00:50
kpomantell me please ! just want an elegant hard drive00:51
kpomanit is messed up right now00:51
penguin42kpoman: OK, go for it - grow /boot to fill the blank space, then resize the /boot so it uses it, then create a swap file in /boot - weird, but it'll work00:51
penguin42kpoman: And next time think about your partition layout first!00:51
Vbitsmy window borders are a big issue some help would be very nice thank you00:52
kpomanpenguin42: I just thought I could do this thing :( create an extended00:52
penguin42kpoman: Yeh, extendededs are great if you know you need one first00:52
kpomanpenguin42: ok so how do I proceed, do I dd something to a file in /boot ? then mkswap of it ? then alter the fstab ?00:53
kpomanand how do I prevent /boot/swapfile from being accessible before it tries to mount it ?00:54
penguin42kpoman: Unmount /boot, resize it in fdisk/cfdisk to use the space up, use resize2fs to resize the filesystem, mount /boot, create a swap file in there with dd, mkswap it, and then add that to fstab as swap - easy right?00:54
penguin42kpoman: Or just say sod it, 2GB of space lost00:54
kpomanoops, how can I resize on fdisk ? I do know gparted ...00:55
penguin42use gparted then, just make sure you don't lose /boot - you might want to take a copy, but remember to run update-grub when you are done00:56
DJAshnarUse GPARTED00:56
DJAshnar:)00:56
kpomanwow gparted is buggy ! it dies when launching it00:56
kpomanhttp://pastebin.com/jA88n2SL00:57
kpomanwtf gparted !00:57
kpomanpenguin42: how do I resize on fdisk ?00:59
kpomani dont find an option for that00:59
kpomansorry for laming here01:00
kpoman:(01:00
penguin42sorry, can't remember off the top of my head, I'd have to try it on something01:00
penguin42it might be a delete/recreate which won't actually delete the data if you are very careful01:00
Vbitspenguin42 what would cause unity style borders in gnome01:00
penguin42kpoman: Look, this is something that you probably don't want to do unless you know how to get out of it!01:01
donriThe play controls in sound-menu gets a theme-incompatible background, known bug?01:01
donriIs there a way to see where an installed package came from? I had light-themes from a PPA in Lucid, how would update-manager -d handle that?01:03
donriMaverick light-themes in Lucid, that is01:03
kpomanpenguin42: let me try with parted (cli)01:04
kpomanpenguin42: Ok i copied the contents of boot to somewhere, deleted it, enlarged it, then re mkfs.ext2 it... now I try to mount it but obviously the UUID changed. How do I know the new UUID of the sda2 ?01:08
penguin42oh you deleted it - gulp!01:09
penguin42kpoman: OK, try blkid /dev/sda201:09
kpomanpenguin42: yeah, and recreated it for 3G now !01:09
penguin42ok, DONT REBOOT01:09
kpomancool it worked01:10
kpomanno I wont !01:10
kpomanI just copy back the files there01:10
kpomanlet me copy them01:10
penguin42kpoman: Grub will be kind of screwed - I'd try an update-grub which might update stuff but I wouldn't be 100% sure01:10
kpomanpenguin42: it is quite strange. fdisk tells me it is 3GB, however I did mount it and df -h told me it was still 999MB01:11
penguin42kpoman: Ah, that's because you need to resize2fs it01:11
penguin42kpoman: You resized the box, not the balloon in it01:11
kpomanpenguin42: but I killed and recreated the fs !01:11
kpomanI did mkfs.ext2 !!!01:11
penguin42oh01:11
penguin42kpoman: I'm guessing that it didn't reread the partiton table?01:12
kpomanpenguin42: how do I force him to do that ?01:12
kpomankillall devfs ? =P01:12
penguin42yeuch, if it hasn't done this is going to get very very messy; devfs won't help01:12
penguin42pastebin fdisk -l please01:12
kpomanhttp://pastebin.com/qMT0Tn1401:13
kpomandid I do all that sh#t ? :D01:14
penguin42ok, grep sda2 /proc/partitons01:14
kpoman   8        2     975872 sda201:15
kpomanit is old01:15
kpoman:(01:15
penguin42kpoman: try hdparm -z /dev/sda01:16
penguin42kpoman: It's probably at this point realising how nice your installation was previously and how 2G of missing space wasn't that bad01:17
kpomandevice or ressource busy01:17
kpoman:(01:17
penguin42kpoman: If you're really really really lucky, copying stuff back to your new /boot, and running update-grub might give you something that will boot01:18
kpomanI just tried a bad command and cant see the result from blkid01:20
kpomanran partprobe /dev/sda01:20
penguin42hmm reasonable01:21
kpomanll /dev/sda* gave me all but sda201:22
kpomanso went back to cfdisk, deleted and recreated it ... still no signs of it01:22
penguin42kpoman: So, have you got a rescue CD?01:23
* penguin42 will be shocked if you don't need it01:23
mark2010penguin42: been doing research on grub2. says don't edit grub.cfg cuz every update or new kernel will over right file. suggests edit etc/grub.d/40_custom. you know about this?01:27
BUGabundonite guys01:27
penguin42mark2010: If possible just edit /etc/default/grub01:27
mark2010that didn't work for the white screen prob01:28
mark2010the grub.cfg did however01:28
penguin42mark2010: It should, if it doesn't then need to figure out why01:28
mark2010we tried adding nomodeset to the linux_command portion but didn't work. just wondering if the grub.d custom would be better as that file is not over written on updates01:30
penguin42mark2010: It's the whole point of '/etc/default/grub is for small parameter changes01:31
mark2010just wondering01:31
mark2010ok01:31
kpomancool it works :p01:41
kpomandid: dd if=/dev/zero of=/boot/swapfile bs=1024 count=2097152; mkswap /boot/swapfile; swapon /boot/swapfile01:44
kpomanthen edited /etc/fstab and put it to /boot/swapfile01:45
kpomanlet me reboot again see if it worked01:45
kpomanok everything is working ! nice01:47
kpomanare you still there ?01:48
penguin42yep01:50
penguin42kpoman: See, it just proves that you can get out of almost any type of screwup with Linux!01:51
Lukeis there a way to get the Ubuntu monospace font?01:53
Lukei can't seem to find it01:53
cdwillisjust installed the rc, but i can't find the global menu applet package. did the name change?01:53
sinistradHi, is there a way to get Direct Rendering operational in 10.10? I'm using an nVidia 260 GTX01:53
Vbitsi have a virus01:56
Ken8521Vbits, a virus?01:58
Vbitsmaximus will not die02:00
Vbitsit just took my entire desktop with it when i killed it02:01
Vbitsi just killed it and it restarted x02:02
VbitsKen8521, how can i switch the side the close button is on02:02
Ken8521Vbits, are they on the left?02:02
VbitsKen8521 yes02:03
Vbitsalso my right click is not workingh02:04
Ken8521Vbits, pretty sure this will still work on 10.10.. but i like them on the left..  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/02:04
Vbitsworking now02:06
Ken8521it's a miracle02:06
Ken8521lol02:06
Vbitsabout the right click, i am using a netbook with one big touchpad02:06
Ken8521ok.02:07
Vbitsit is not working02:07
Ken8521and th etouch pad is not right clicking?02:07
Vbitscorrect02:07
Ken8521ok.02:07
Ken8521i'm not on my laptop right now, but lets start with system/preferences/mouse  and the touchpad tab02:07
Vbitsthe first 2 are on and the secound on scrolling as well02:08
Ken8521ok02:09
Ken8521go to the general tab02:09
Ken8521and try right clicking the lightbulb02:09
Ken8521see if it lights up02:09
deac0nanyone having issues when pluging in a iphone to usb port the file manger keeps on opening up till you unplug from usb thne they all disappear ?02:09
Ken8521brb Vbits02:10
VbitsKen8521 yes02:10
Ken8521Vbits, ok, so if the lightbulb is lighting up when you right click02:11
Ken8521then right click is wrking02:11
Ken8521it's a connfiguration issue02:11
Vbitshow can i fix it02:12
Ken8521well, that sanother issue i don't now..lol02:12
Ken8521just saying, right click is definitely working02:12
Vbitswhen i rightclick on the desktop nothing shows02:13
Ken8521Vbits, did you install netbook edition?02:13
Vbitsyes02:13
Ken8521looks like no right click is a "feature"02:13
Vbitsit was never a issue with 10.04, i used update-manager -d to update02:14
Ken8521well, wha tit was in 10.04 is irrelevant02:14
Ken8521it was an intentional change apparently02:14
Vbitsis it built into the kernal or driver02:15
Teknotit02:15
Ken8521i have no idea..02:16
Ken8521Vbits, is it just not letting you right click th etop panel, or not right click anywhere?02:17
Vbitsit is acting like the right click is a left click02:17
Ken8521ok, dumb question, is left click acting like a right?02:18
Vbitsno it is normal02:18
sinistradAnything I can do to get DRI enabled with my nVidia card?02:19
Ken8521Vbits, i'm really not sure...it's obviously a configuration issue.. not a hardware issue.02:20
Ken8521Vbits, what does left click do, same as right?02:20
Vbitscorrect02:20
Ken8521Vbits, unfortunately i'm not familiar wnough w/ the netbook configuration to change that02:22
Ken8521if i had to guess02:22
Ken8521you'll e able to change it in gconf-editor02:22
Ken8521but that is strictly a guess02:22
kpomanhi02:26
kpomanagain02:26
VbitsKen8521 nothing in gconf02:28
Ken8521Vbits, gconf-editor has a bazilion options.. you wouldn't really know wha tyoure looking at, unless you knew exactly what to look for02:29
Vbitsi used find to look for mouse and touchpad02:29
Ken8521that really doesn't mean anything02:29
Ken8521becaue it has nothing to do w/ the mouse and touchpad02:30
Ken8521it has to do w/ what menu is called for, when you right click02:30
hanasakianyone seen compiz suddenly setting the screen darker?  the gnome menus still come up full brightness and running compiz --replace fixes it until it happens again...02:31
Vbitswell i found a one line fix02:32
Vbitsecho options psmouse proto=exps > /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.modprobe02:32
Vbitsand it works02:32
Ken8521hmm.02:32
Ken8521that's pretty stupid though...02:33
Ken8521i run a normal gnome on my netbook, so..02:33
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Vbitsalso i just posted my souliion as a comment to bug 62182102:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 621821 in linux (Ubuntu) "touchpad left / right click buttons do not work" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62182102:36
jcgshi, does anyone know if i can change the power management profile in kubuntu?02:38
kpomanit seems like there is a bug on libgsm102:51
kpomandpkg: warning: files list file for package `libgsm1' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.02:51
kpomanand it keeps on unpacking replacemenet libgsm1 for the eternity02:51
VbitzircII working flawlessly on 10.1002:55
Vbitsoh and vbitz is me02:55
kpomanubuntu retricted extras fails on libgsm1 too02:56
kpomanwtf libgsm why do I need that thing02:56
kpoman:(02:56
kpomanthis sucks02:56
b43erAnyone else having trouble with Broadcom 4318 wireless and 10.10 RC?  My connection drops soon after startup.03:11
mark2010b43er: im using BC 4401 and been ok03:29
androidbruce|laphey guys, im sshing into my machine and it's asking me to set terminal type04:44
androidbruce|lapthis just recently happened, any idea?04:44
hyperstreamUsing the RC ive tried to boot up off the image(via DVD) it loads the gui part, then flashes with what it seems to be the installed gui part(so brief its a guess), then it flashes to the background image and just sits on that. the WIFI icon on the laptop seems to be function, ALT + CTRL + F-keys seem to bring up the console, any idea on how to restart the gui perhaps ?05:03
SaRyRestart X maybe ,,05:09
hyperstreamservice x restart ?05:09
hyperstreamX *05:09
hyperstreamJust tried to restart gdm, the terminal ended up locking up, or just not returning from the sudo'd command. had to switch to F205:10
hyperstreamwhat logs could i check for possible errors05:11
SaRyDon't know .05:12
SaRyTry startx ..05:14
SaRythe GUI will boot up.05:14
hyperstreamthe gui has booted up, it shows for a split second, then goes black and then back to the desktop backgound image(minus the gui windows + mouse)05:15
hyperstreamas if it changes resolution(that kind of black and back speed/style)05:15
SaRyweird05:16
hyperstreamXorg.0.log > [dix] couldn't enable device 1005:16
hyperstreamtime to google05:16
SaRyYeah . i'll see what i can find.05:17
hyperstreamThats kind of you bud, thanks, ill be doing the same05:17
hyperstreamThe line before that is: (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch05:17
hyperstreamNot sure if that is any help.05:18
ChogyDanany deluge users here?05:18
SaRyhyperstream, see bug 40433105:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 404331 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "X locks up when scrolling on Radeon Mobility M6 LY" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40433105:22
hyperstreamIts a old school IBM ThinkPad05:23
hyperstreamJust didnt want to install XP on it (not mine)05:23
hyperstreamhmm it has a Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]05:23
SaRyaha. well Ubuntu is the right choice .. see if you can find something here .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/359392?comments=all05:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 359392 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Karmic) "[i965] X freezes starting on April 3rd" [Critical,Fix released]05:24
SaRyi got to run , bbl05:24
hyperstreamSaRy, thank you for your help bud, bye05:25
SaRyhyperstream, you're most welcome.05:26
ubuubuwhat is couchdb for?05:38
Lukeubuntu one probably05:39
Lukei think it stores application state in couchdb05:39
ubuubuLuke, thanks..05:40
Lukenp05:40
hyperstreamIs it possible to get some kind of menu on the 10.10 live cd? like the older ones had that is05:46
SikthHey guys, I get the message at the Ubuntu logo screen "One or more of the mounts lited in /etc/fstab canno be mounted:/:waitiing for /dev/disk/by-uuid/0641f685-848b-40db-9f5d-8d900e6d9bd2 /tmp:waiting for (null) :waiting for 0 press escape to enter a recovery shell "05:48
Sikthany ideas? Im lost05:49
hyperstreamSikth, at a guess, you have a device listed to be mouted in /etc/fstab that is no longer mountable(perhaps a external drive or USB device perhaps ?)05:50
SikthHow do I make my dev/sda5 mountable again?05:51
hyperstreamSikth, attach the device to the pc perhaps05:53
SikthIt's my main computer's hard drive though05:53
hyperstreamSikth, now that sounds strange05:54
Sikthright. Would seeing my fstab help you?05:54
hyperstreamSikth, im afraid you'll have to wait for someone more advanced in that area.05:54
hyperstreamApologies05:55
SikthThat's ok, thanks anyways :/05:55
vinaurHi. I'm using Ubuntu Maverick (tried Lucid as well) liveCD to try and recover GRUB after Windows XP install, however, my lvm volumes do not appear anywhere in /dev, so I can't mount them. I can see the volumes with the lvm tool. Any idea how I could get them mounted?05:55
Sikthok, another question05:55
SikthI did "ecryptfs-mount-private" in recovery mode, and it's asking "login passphrase"05:56
Sikthwhat is that?05:56
hyperstreamAgain- this is a guess, but when i've encrypted my home paritions in the past, i had to use a passphrase, this is like a key for encrypting the data, without this, the data is unrecoverable06:00
hyperstreamSo if your trying to mount a encrypted partition it might be asking for the passphase you used when you encrypted it06:01
Sikthpassphrase being a password?06:01
hyperstreamI think so06:02
Sikthhmmm dang, I don't know what I would have put! My regular password doesn't work06:02
Sikthhyperstream, still there?06:39
sebsebsebHI06:55
|ns|nR8 I set monitor refresh rate to 85hz with nvidia-settings, works fine. After reboot it reverts back to 60hz. Any ideas why? Here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/sdGuJ96P07:28
|ns|nR8fresh install of 10.10rc07:29
lucent|ns|nR8: is nvidia-settings saving your configuration somewhere?07:33
|ns|nR8it overwrites the current xorg when i save it07:33
lucentoh, sounds kind of outdated07:34
|ns|nR8ive seen a coulpe other reports of this bug07:34
lucentbug #52875607:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 528756 in nvidia-settings (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu forgets my screen resolution settings every time I reboot (dup-of: 477309)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52875607:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 477309 in nvidia-settings (Ubuntu) "When trying to save new X configuration, I get an error message: Failed to parse existing x config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47730907:34
FlynsarmyHas anyone noticed that pidgin windows don't flash in the system tray in default maverick theme when a message is sent on an inactive window? is this a bug in karmic?07:34
lucentany chance it's that?07:34
|ns|nR8yes lucent07:34
|ns|nR8thanks07:34
lucenthope that is actually helpful, I'm guessing here. I have no nvidia hardware07:35
|ns|nR8hmm dunno07:35
|ns|nR8might just stick another videocard in07:36
|ns|nR8might be easier07:36
lucentwell, without gaming, Intel cards that are supported work very well for me07:36
lucentthey're not great at doing high performance anything but there's few problems in my experience07:37
|ns|nR8i turn off eye candy anyway07:37
lucentyeah07:37
lucentyou might get away with a scripted hack, if nothing else07:37
|ns|nR8yeah07:38
|ns|nR8going to try another driver snyway07:38
|ns|nR8gotta reboot07:38
|ns|nR8thanks07:38
lucentgood luck to you07:38
Flynsarmyanyone here have pidgin insatlled and using default theme?07:44
Flynsarmydefault ubuntu theme07:44
jukafter last maverick upgrade, unable to save screen rate have to set it in nvidia xserver settings manually each time after reboot07:53
juk!ops07:53
ubottuHelp! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, jpds, gnomefreak, bazhang, jussi, Flannel, ikonia, maco, h00k, IdleOne, or nhandler!07:53
jukwith 10.04 was fine07:55
lucentjuk: nvidia?07:57
jukalright i stick with settings just won't reboot 6 more :)07:57
lucentit's funny, I just was talking to '|ns|nR8' about 20 minutes before now, on the same thing07:57
lucentwas that you?07:57
juknope07:57
juknvidia07:58
lucentthere's an open bug report about something similar07:58
lucentdid you search launchpad for similar bugs?07:58
jukno can you point me07:58
lucentsure, no problem07:58
lucentbug #528756 > juk07:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 528756 in nvidia-settings (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu forgets my screen resolution settings every time I reboot (dup-of: 477309)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52875607:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 477309 in nvidia-settings (Ubuntu) "When trying to save new X configuration, I get an error message: Failed to parse existing x config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47730907:59
juklucent: thank you, exactly what happens07:59
lucentgood! glad it's the right one for you08:03
juklucent: I reported bug 65440808:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 654408 in xorg (Ubuntu) "NVIDIA X Server Settings Forgets screen refresh rate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65440808:46
lucentjuk: okay, though I think that might get marked duplicate08:47
lucentgood work anyways08:47
vega-has ubuntu+2 been announced already?08:59
tarzeau_vega-: i think so, if you mean the whale?09:01
vega-naughty nitwit .. or something09:01
vega-whale?09:01
tarzeau_isn't it a whale?09:01
vega-11.0409:01
tarzeau_narrwhale or so09:01
vega-ah, ok :)09:01
vega-yes found it now..09:02
jukvega-: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=135930109:03
Evil_Erichello09:18
Evil_Ericis anyone alive09:18
Evil_Ericthe l and g's dont show up corectly on 10.10 dint know if you guys/gals knew that09:18
ikoniain what application ?09:19
Evil_Ericthe whole thing09:19
Evil_Ericmy desktop and every program i run09:20
Evil_Ericill up load a screen shot to shoow you09:20
jetienne_ubuntu 10.10 will actually be released on the 10th?09:27
vega-yes09:27
Evil_Ericsorry its taking me forever but im having stability issues (dumb user vs. web browser)09:29
WubbbiHey guys. I have an issue and this issue I have in the hole time of Ubuntu. But now it is realy getting on my nervs. Evolution is the word! I got a screen resolution of 1028x600 ... A Netbook. And Evolution is not going to fit on my screen. There are may parts of it which are going out of my screen thus I can click on some Icons or buttoms. Is it possible to fix it? Nothing helped yet. Even if I get on Fullscreen mode, it still not fits.09:29
WubbbiAnyone can confirm it or even help me. I realy have to work with evolution!09:29
Evil_Erichttp://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8492/screenshotbz.png09:30
Evil_Ericok ikonia theres the screen shot09:32
hyperstreamIs it possible to boot the livecd into a low graphics mode of the sort?09:40
Evil_Ericok heres the question is there any way to fix the g's and l's from showing up as weird other charitors?09:47
Evil_Ericyep thought so no web site or anything i can read on and posibaly fix it myself any sujestions welcome09:50
Evil_Ericbahhhhh09:51
mikebeechamhi there, is there a solid way to resolve the plymouth @ 640x480 issue on Maverick?11:12
yofelmikebeecham: I did it by setting the vbe mode by hand in /etc/default/grub (don't forget to run vbeinfo first to check supported modes!)11:22
yofelGRUB_GFXMODE=1280x80011:22
yofelGRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1280x800x3211:22
yofelhey penguin4211:22
penguin42Hi Yofel11:23
penguin42This laptop panicked on hibernate last night :-(11:23
yofelouch :/11:23
Jordan_UYay! Looks like *all* of the errors I got from u[pgrading in sandbox mode were caused by the sandbox itself. Just finished the real upgrade with no errors.11:25
Jordan_UNow to actually reboot...11:26
penguin42has camera pictures of the oops; so I'll look at that soon11:26
mikebeechamhey yofel mate..me again :D  How do I check first?11:29
Jordan_UComplete success!11:29
mikebeechamyofel,  my screen res is 1280 x 1024, so should be ok?  On Nvidia11:33
Ken8521mikebeecham, i don't see why it wouldnt...11:34
Ken8521the nvidia tool has a good tool for resolution setting11:35
yofelKen8521: we're talking about plymouth resolution, and that depends on what framebuffer resolution the card supports11:36
Ken8521oh ok.11:36
Ken8521sorry11:36
yofelmikebeecham: go to the grub menu, press ctrl+c I think for the command line, run 'insert vbe' and 'vbeinfo'11:37
yofelthat will print a list of supported modes11:37
yofeltake my notebook as an example: my nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M has a native res of 1600 x 900, but the highes framebuffer res I can use is 1280x800, trying 1600x900 fails to boot11:38
Ken8521Jordan_U, i remember you posted that long log file yesterday, what did you do to fix it?11:41
Jordan_UKen8521: Nothing really. Those errors were from an upgrade I did using do-release-upgrade's sandbox mode. Apparently all of those errors were actaully caused by the sandbox (aufs) setup itself, because without changing anything else just doing a normal (real) upgrade gave no errors.11:44
Ken8521oic.11:45
Jordan_UMakes the sandbox mode pretty useless though :(11:45
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* Jordan_U waits for btrfs snapshots :)11:46
cmpsalvestriniLittle curiosity...11:48
cmpsalvestriniWhat happened to libboost?11:48
cmpsalvestrinithe upgrade screen says libboost is no longer supported11:48
cmpsalvestriniah, nm, I'll just update them again when I'm migrated ;)11:50
penguin42cmpsalvestrini: Not sure, to me it looks like there are now loads and loads of smaller libboost component packages?11:50
cmpsalvestriniso a change in libboost organization?11:51
cmpsalvestriniGrr... now it's gonna be fun to figure out what libboosts to install...11:51
yofelI don't think so, it's just that the library packages are versioned, meaning you'll have to install the 1.42 packages and the 1.40 package will be obsolete and have to be removed11:53
cmpsalvestriniOh, great. That clarifies stuff some11:53
yofelas for the 'supported' part, that might come from 1.40 still being available, but being demoted from main to universe11:54
yofelthat's just a guess though11:55
cmpsalvestriniWell I'll see what's what once I'm on the other side11:56
cmpsalvestriniStill got about 45 minutes left in the upgrade11:58
maxbHrm, anyone running maverick rc on an Aspire One, and found touchpad scrolling has broken in the last day or so?12:03
cmpsalvestriniI'm just excited to try Ubuntu 10.10, might down the ISO to do a fresh install12:05
Ken8521cmpsalvestrini, it's actually pretty good.. not much different from 10.04.. just software updates for the most part.12:06
Ken8521i've heard of some upgrades getting broken though(like always) so hopefully that doesn't happen to you12:07
cmpsalvestriniI read somewhere that btrfs is also supported?12:07
Ken8521i'm still using ext4 but yes, i believe it is.12:07
tarzeau_i'm using xfs12:07
Ken8521you'll probably have to clean install to be able to use it though.12:07
cmpsalvestriniThat's what I'm thinking about doing, I can afford it (got /home on a different partition with Reiserfs)12:08
yofelcmpsalvestrini: you can use it, but you'll need something for /boot as btrfs grub support is stuck in licensing issues (at least it was last time I checked)12:08
yofel*something else12:08
cmpsalvestriniso in short, a /boot with ext4, a / with btrfs and a /home with reiser12:09
yofelthat should work12:09
cmpsalvestrini256 megs for /boot is okay don't you think?12:10
yofelunless you do odd things or need a few dozen kernel, yes12:10
cmpsalvestriniwow, guess that part where I learned about linux with gentoo really paid off XD12:11
yofelhaha, gentoo is fun to set up, right :D12:14
cmpsalvestrinilooots of cli work12:15
yofelis there even a GUI version of portage? can't remember12:16
cmpsalvestriniI don't think there is...12:16
gnomefreaknot a few years ago but it has been a long time12:17
cmpsalvestriniit's been a long road for me, I started with SuSE back when it was not a part of novell, Suse 8 or something... then went to Windows, then to gentoo, then back to the windows goop, then to Ubuntu, and have stayed with Ubuntu ever since.12:17
heretichey there12:18
gnomefreakhi12:18
hereticI recently upgraded and now it looks like I "cant use" my nvidia drivers12:18
heretichttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=158791612:19
cmpsalvestrinihot damn, I remember when you had to compile networkmanager from svn to have it work with wpa nets.12:19
gnomefreakheretic: use jockey-gtk to set up the drivers12:19
hereticgnomefreak, it doesnt display any avalaible drivers12:19
gnomefreakor the hardware menu entry12:19
gnomefreakheretic: what card?12:19
hereticgnomefreak, GeForce 520012:19
hereticI have terminal output in the post I linked above12:20
cmpsalvestriniheretic, try enabling the universe / multiverse repos,12:20
gnomefreakthat works fine on my other system12:20
hereticcmpsalvestrini, good idea!12:20
hereticill try the thing with the repos12:20
cmpsalvestrinithen synaptic the drivers12:20
gnomefreakhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/restricted i386 Packages12:20
gnomefreakenable restricted as well12:21
hereticokay12:21
gnomefreakyou want the nvidia-current package but _should_ get listed in jockey12:21
cmpsalvestriniHeh. You know you're getting salty when you assume automagically that everybody does ubu tricks automatically12:21
yofelerm, 5200 should need -173 and I don't think those work with xserver 1.9 yet, at least not what we have in the repos12:22
* gnomefreak still looking for the hack that changes the output of a wrong password12:22
gnomefreakshow used to give you a list of supported cards but no longer does12:23
yofelnope, repos -173 doesn't work yet12:23
cmpsalvestrini15 minutes left12:23
yofelgnomefreak: afaik current is geforce 6 and upwards12:24
cmpsalvestriniHrm. Try the envy driver heretic12:24
hereticcmpsalvestrini, good idea too. give me a few minutes12:25
yofelheretic: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2326225 has the new drivers, they're not packaged for ubuntu yet, so either wait or install them by hand, which isn't supported by ubuntu and you'll have to reinstall the driver after every kernel update12:25
cmpsalvestrini(y)12:25
hereticyofel, thanks a lot12:25
gnomefreakyofel: they dropped 5200 mind you its been a while since i used the box with the 5200 but last i checked it worked with X1.812:25
hereticcmpsalvestrini, this is the most stupid question ever but whats the package name of the "software sources" tool?12:25
gnomefreakand have to remove the upstream drivers to use ours IIRC12:26
yofelheretic: sofware-properties-gtk / -kde12:26
gnomefreakis there one?12:26
gnomefreakah12:26
hereticthanks a lot12:26
cmpsalvestrinisoftware sources? dayumn, I think it is software-sources but I'm not 1000% certain.12:26
yofelah right, and you'll either need to blacklist nouveau or remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau12:27
hereticcmpsalvestrini, never mind, i got it12:27
cmpsalvestrinioarighty12:27
yofelheretic: for future reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage12:27
hereticso jockey still doesnt find any avalaible drivers12:28
heretici enabled the multi and universe repos12:28
hereticoh hold on...12:28
hereticgoing to have a look into synaptic12:29
yofelheretic: jockey was patched to deliberately not show the drivers as the will fail to install!!! - the can't be used with xserver 1.912:29
hereticyofel, sorry12:30
yofelor actually, they can be installed, which is a problem, as the won't work after installation12:30
cmpsalvestriniheretic sounds like you're stuck with the opensource nvidia driver12:30
hereticso uhm. what did you mean with "synaptic the drivers"?12:31
yofellike I said, either use nouveau until we get  a packaged -173, or install the driver by hand, which isn't supported12:31
hereticyofel, ye12:31
yofel*packaged 173.14.1812:32
yofelgeh, I woke up with the wrong foot12:32
yofel*173.14.2812:32
hereticsorry for being stupid dude12:32
cmpsalvestriniI meant get the drivers through synaptic. But since they won't work with xorg 1.9, you're better off with nouveau.12:32
hereticso - "nouveau-firmware"?12:32
yofelyou're not, ubuntu packaging can be confusing sometimes12:32
gnomefreakreally stupid question: how big of a swap can i have. 256mb ram atm, can  i have a 5gig partition and it work?12:33
yofelheretic: nouveau should work out of the box, without 3D though, you need libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental for that12:33
cmpsalvestriniin theory your swap should be twice as large as your ram12:33
gnomefreakyeah i know12:34
gnomefreakbut i need a 5gig partition12:34
gnomefreak:(12:34
cmpsalvestriniThere should be no problem for 5 gigs gnomefreak12:34
hereticyofel, do i need to remove packages like nvidia-current etc then?12:34
gnomefreakcmpsalvestrini: thanks as long as it works im golden12:34
yofelheretic: yes, nvidia-current blacklists the nouveau kernel module12:34
cmpsalvestrinialright, upgrade is cleaning up.12:35
* gnomefreak wonders if next dev cycle intel breaks, lucid ==ati troubles and maverick == nvidia problems12:35
hereticokay now lets see...12:36
yofelmaverick had fglrx problems too until shortly, and -current was fixed quite a while ago12:37
hereticrebooting12:37
cmpsalvestriniheretic keep in mind you'll need a restart after installing nouveau and the mesa dri experimental package12:37
hereticcmpsalvestrini, doing that right now12:37
cmpsalvestrinisorry, nit lagged12:37
cmpsalvestrini*bit12:37
hereticnp12:38
hereticsafe mode or normal?12:38
* gnomefreak would have thought restarting X would be enough12:38
cmpsalvestrininormal12:38
hereticgnomefreak, better than getting confused i think12:38
yofelI think KMS has problems with not rebooting12:38
gnomefreakgood point12:38
cmpsalvestrinialright, time for my reboot. See you on the other side12:38
hereticlooks good - the ubuntu logo is in a better resolution12:38
gnomefreakcmpsalvestrini: good luck12:39
hereticcmpsalvestrini, see you - thank you a lot!12:39
hereticSo I was able to boot, got to the desktop12:39
hereticworking fine, with metacity i assume12:39
hereticany possibilty for compiz?12:39
gnomefreaknot sure i have heard both it works and not, i thought free drivers were 2D only12:40
hereticwell, im getting "Fatal: software rendering not detected"12:40
gnomefreak2D it is than :)12:40
hereticmeans no compiz12:41
gnomefreaknot until the nonfree drivers are fixed12:41
hereticokay12:41
hereticwell at last normal boot works now haha12:41
hereticbig cheers to you guys12:41
hereticthanks a lot for keeping up with me ^^12:41
hereticim not exactly experienced with driver stuff12:42
* gnomefreak knows enough to be very dangerous12:42
gnomefreakmorning bazhang12:42
gnomefreakcmpsalvestrini: not broken?12:43
cmpsalvestriniSo far so good...12:43
cmpsalvestriniglxgears is working, which means...12:43
gnomefreakcrap lubuntu is borked12:43
cmpsalvestriniglxinfo is also giving me all it needs me to know12:44
gnomefreakok that was way too easy to fix12:44
cmpsalvestriniwoot me, I'm on 10.1012:46
gnomefreakjust in time for stable 10.1012:46
bazhanggnomefreak, hi12:47
gnomefreakyay smart is working againe12:48
gnomefreaks/againe/again12:48
cmpsalvestrinihehe yeah that was what I wanted12:49
cmpsalvestrinialrighty now, let's figger this boost mess I have12:49
yofelshouldn't be a mess, that message simply says that boost 1.40 isn't supported anymore in maverick12:51
gnomefreaklooks like it was split12:51
yofelwasn't it always split up?12:51
penguin42slice & dice12:51
gnomefreakyofel: not sure but checking a few of them they are the source package for each12:52
gnomefreaklibboost-date-time1.42.0 is the source for it and so on12:53
* gnomefreak doesnt install libboost as i dont need it for anything normally12:53
yofelthe source of libboost-date-time1.42.0 is still boost1.4212:53
gnomefreakoh yeah it is12:54
gnomefreakmissed that12:54
yofelit's just that the packages are versioned12:54
yofelmeaning you can't upgrade them but have to install the new ones and remove the old ones12:54
yofeland .40 was demoted from lucid/main to maverick/universe12:54
yofelas we have .42 in maverick/main12:55
cmpsalvestriniaight I think I switched to 1.42, how do I make sure it's all kosher13:00
yofelyou shouldn't need to, boost libraries should be installed as dependencies if needed13:03
cmpsalvestriniwell I'm building some stuff from source13:03
yofelif you have the -dev packages installed, the should have been upgraded, as they are unversioned, and they should have pulled the .42 libs in too13:04
yofel*they should13:04
cmpsalvestrinithat was my mistake I didn't install them with the -dev packages but one by one as needed13:05
hyperstreamAnyone have a clue on how to boot the 10.10 livecd in some sort of low graphics mode ?13:06
yofelhm, not sure then, depends on what you need, just leave it alone until you notice you're missing one13:07
Dr_Willishyperstream:  try that nomodeset option? (i think thats what its called)13:08
bobo123low graphics, like in 320x200? :-D I would love that13:08
hyperstreamDr_Willis, it seems there is no boot options menu. Atleast im not sure how to bring it up, just goes straight into booting the live ubuntu13:08
|ns|nR8I'm using ubuntu 10.10 . It started to revert the refresh rate of my monitor to 60hz, each and every time I log on. I change it back in nvidia panel, save it to X config file, but it just doesn't last.13:09
hyperstreami just spammed the keyboard, and got a menu. lol - how silly.13:11
Dr_Willishyperstream:  Hmm. when it shows the man/thing at the bottom..  thats when you hit a key13:11
Dr_WillisJust the space key works i recall..13:11
|ns|nR8Redownloaded dialy build, checked md5, burnt and varified data, reinstalled, same bug13:11
Dr_Willisat least its not some 'hit F8 to enter....' thang.13:11
hyperstreamHope things go well13:12
Dr_WillisHmm... getting some odd updateing issues this morning....13:12
hyperstreamYES!, thanks Dr_Willis nomodeset did the trick.13:13
Dr_Willishyperstream:  i have to use that ive noticed with my nvidia systems13:14
Dr_WillisNow why is 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' failing with this...13:14
Dr_Willis/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: bamfdaemon is broken or not fully installed13:14
Dr_WillisI cant remove, or reinstall bamfdaenon, because after it fails.. the apt lock is locked...13:14
hyperstreamIf i install this on the system, will it default nomodeset? or i will have to do this at a later date?13:15
hyperstreamDr_Willis, ouch, that does not sound too good :/13:15
Dr_Willishyperstream:   check the /etc/default/grub13:15
Dr_Willishyperstream:  i Noticed on one box. that it BECAME the default in that file..13:15
Dr_Williswhich was sort  of a nice trick,.13:15
Dr_Willisbut after i installed the nvidia drivers - i dident need the option13:16
hyperstreamThis has an ATI Radeon in it13:16
Dr_WillisThrow it in the trash then. ;)13:16
hyperstreamPretty old laptop, IBM ThinkPad T42 237313:16
hyperstreamDr_Willis, agreeed!13:16
Dr_WillisOr just send it to me.. i will send you $513:17
Dr_Williswell lets see.. an apt-get upgrade, seems t be working now... :)13:18
Dr_WillisYou can get some of the Most interesting apt messages when beta testing13:20
Ian_cornetell us about it13:20
ActionParsnipnot had an issue here personally13:21
Dr_Willisive had grub die twice on me on the laptop.. but not on the desktop...13:39
nemchikanyone else here using empathy?13:39
ActionParsnip!anyone | nemchik13:41
ubottunemchik: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?13:41
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: single boot here, zero grub issus :)13:42
nemchiklol smart robot13:42
Dr_WillisThis was basically a single boot. I had linux all on its own hd.. and windows all on its own hd..13:42
Dr_Willisthe 2nd time it did it. i was able to fix it by live cd and reinstall of grub.. so im not sure what goofed it up.13:43
Dr_Willisfirst time it did it.. that dident fix it either.13:43
nemchikwell i have empathy and when i type a long message in a chat window it expands the window (even past the edges of my screen). i have done some searching and not found any useful input on launchpad, so im wondering if anyone here has any ideas?13:43
* gnomefreak knows better than to use Empathy for chat13:47
ActionParsnipnemchik: is there a bug logged for it? I can't help unfortunately, I use pidgin13:49
nemchikyes there is, actually there are multiple, some of which have been merged, i have marked myself as affected13:50
* gnomefreak uses Irssi, Pidgim, Xchat, Instantbird13:51
cmpsalvestrinimwahaha13:55
cmpsalvestriniWell I'm successfully upgraded13:56
nothingspecialThe places menu is opening movie-player, is this a bug or is it just me?14:04
gnomefreaknot here just normal folders and what ones i added14:11
nothingspecialgnomefreak: I`ve probably done something then14:12
gnomefreaknothingspecial: if it is listed in Places just remove it, not even sure you can add it to Places14:13
gnomefreaki hate Shotwell :(14:16
gnomefreaki want F-spot back by default14:16
Ian_corneI like shotwell more14:17
nothingspecialgnomefreak: No, when I click on anything in the places section of the main gnome menu, it opens movie-player. So if I click music or Videos a file will play but if I click Documents or one of my external drives movie-player opens with a stream error14:17
gnomefreaktesting14:18
gnomefreakno matter what i click on Naultilus opens folders14:19
gnomefreaknothingspecial: what file manager are you using?14:19
nothingspecialstandard install nautilus14:20
gnomefreakthan im not sure why its doing that14:20
gnomefreaksorry14:20
nothingspecialgnomefreak: If I do Alt-F2 nautilus then everything is fine, it`s just from the menu14:20
gnomefreaki would file a bug in it14:21
nothingspecialgnomefreak: It`s ok, I will when I`m sure it`s something I`ve not done myself14:21
gnomefreakworks same for me14:21
nothingspecialSame behaviour if I use gnome-do......weird14:22
AlanYAY!14:23
AlanI am happy today14:23
AlanI jsut found out that FINALLY the git-core package has been renamed to git14:23
Alan:D14:23
AlanI mean, seriously, who uses GNU Interactive Tools anyway? :P14:23
* popey shakes his fist at Alan for reasons only known to popey and Alan 14:34
sda1986hi all, i made a script and i want start it when i press a fn+bottun on my laptop, how can I do that? thanks!14:37
Dr_Willisthe special laptop keys may not be remapable.   Unless its some media key.. try remaping it to somthing else in the keyboard settings.14:39
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sda1986but i know in /etc/acpi/event there are button name with what event start if they are pressed, i cannot modify that?14:41
donriEmpathy contacts tooltips are only transparent around the edge. Known bug?14:42
MTecknologyok... I just went through the graphical installer for the first time in a long time14:58
MTecknologyCOOL!14:58
MTecknologyRequesting additional information while the system is creating partitions is a pretty spanking awesome idea15:00
donriThe installer providing the option to install restricted-extras and run updates is a spankingly pretty idea.15:04
popeyits also pretty scary15:05
Ian_cornepopey: what's scary about it?15:06
jcdyer Just updated by Acer Aspire One to Maverick, and now I lost my X.  Console only.  Anyone seen this?15:06
Ian_corneit enhances the usablity alot15:06
popeybecause on some machines you dont want it to put grub where it does15:06
popeye.g. my mac laptop15:07
jukbug submitted 65440815:07
popeyon the previous ubiquity you could specify where to put grub _before_ it touched the disk15:07
Ian_cornebut doesn' tit only do that at the last step?15:07
popeyId rather not test that :)15:08
popeyI haven't tried the new installer in the last month or so15:08
Ian_corneit does iirc, you can click advanced15:08
oxymoronwtf, when doing upgrade kpackagekit want to remove all apps i have like konversation, amarok, quassel, rekonq and so oon?15:08
Ian_corneat the last step15:08
thiebaudehi popey good afternoon15:08
jukhow many bugs in maverick currently?15:09
PiciOne million dollars, I mean bugs.15:10
jukPici: trolling?15:10
donrihttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/57084169/Menu_001.png  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57084238/Tooltip_002.png  anyone else has these background bugs?15:10
yofellp 65440815:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 654408 in xorg (Ubuntu) "NVIDIA X Server Settings Forgets Screen Refresh Rate After Restart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65440815:11
thiebaudeonly bug i have is when i shutdown, the computer restarts15:11
Picijuk: Well what kind of answer would have been good for you?  There are bugs, just like most software.15:11
jukPici: I asked for number, you don't know15:12
yofeljuk: hard to say https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs are the targeted ones, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=maverick are the filed bugs that are properly tagged, and there is a small number of bugs that are missing the tag15:14
ugliefrogwhen 10.10 is official..anything required...or do i have to fresh install15:15
Pici!final15:16
ubottuIf you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Maverick Meerkat and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Maverick. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.15:16
Ian_cornebrr it suggests dist-upgrade15:17
yofelIan_corne: since that's the appropriate command?15:19
Ian_cornei've broken many systems by doing that :p15:19
Ian_cornewell my own obviously15:19
Ian_corneshouldn't aptitude safe-upgrade bring you uptodate?15:20
jukyofel: I found mine in second15:20
yofelthat won't resolve dependency conflicts that need packages removed, you'll need full-upgrade to make sure you have everything up to date15:20
Ian_corneoh15:20
yofeljuk: right, all bugs reported with apport will be in the second list15:21
Piciapt-get doesn't have full-upgrade.15:21
yofelalso, aptitude isn't installed by default on desktop, apt-get is the only command that's available on all systems15:22
murlidharerrr my gdm's screen resolution is different from my desktop's ....15:38
murlidharwhat must i do to get my gdm's screen resolution back to 1400x900 ?15:41
ONEaPThi15:41
ONEaPTi just installed xubuntu 10.10 rc on my eeepc15:41
ONEaPTbut when i run 'top' i get15:41
ONEaPTTERM environment variable not set.15:42
ONEaPTcan anyone please give me some pointers on how can i solve this?15:42
murlidhardunno top is working fine on gnome.15:42
ONEaPTyes, on my ubuntu 10.10 install is working, but not on xubuntu15:43
murlidharmaybe you should file a bug then15:43
ONEaPTokay, i thought i did some wrong....15:44
ONEaPTthanks15:44
jcdyerJust updated by Acer Aspire One to Maverick, and now X won't start.  Anybody seen this?  I'm getting the following errors:15:45
jcdyerintel(0): Front buffer stride 16 kB exceeds display limit15:45
jcdyerintel(0): Couldn't allocate initial framebuffer.15:46
jcdyerFollowing this bug, I tried a couple different kernels, but no luck: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/64043215:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 640432 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu Maverick) "X does not start (nouveau)" [Medium,Confirmed]15:46
histoUghh no sound15:46
histoAnyone else have intel 82801I sound card? I just upgraded and its dead in maverick15:54
mungojerryanyone missing window icons (close/minimize/maximize) and window title from windows in 10.10?15:56
mungojerrysee screenshot here: i'm in desktop mode imgur.com/wPlnJ15:56
mungojerryhttp://imgur.com/wPlnJ15:56
Ken8521mungojerry, havent seen that one16:04
mungojerryi have an even worse one too. when i login to netbook session 3d, i see the 3d + the 2d version  - it's unusable16:05
mungojerryunity  + 2d launcher16:05
josephnexusLooksl ike the funguloids package installs now but is still broken16:06
josephnexussomeone didn't grab the latest sources for it16:06
josephnexushttp://funguloids.sourceforge.net/download.html16:07
josephnexusit's really sad to see that packages are being shown in the software center that are broken16:07
mungojerryhisto, i have 82801fb card in the eee 701, it works16:07
josephnexusfunguloids segfaults when trying to start the game.  There was a patch released last year for it and ubuntu still hasn't pulled that in16:08
josephnexusat least it doesn't fail during install now though, so I guess another 2 years and it can be fixed16:09
josephnexus:-P16:09
yofelwe don't actually maintain funguloids ourselves but just sync it from debian, and they don't have anything newer16:11
bjsnideryofel, that's just an excuse. ubuntu can apply a patch easily enough16:12
yofelwell, true16:12
josephnexusit should either be fixed or removed16:12
bjsniderthat's why they invented bugs16:12
josephnexushaving it sit in limbo just does a disservice to ubuntu16:12
bjsnidersubmit one16:12
josephnexusit's been reported16:12
josephnexus2 yrs ago16:12
bjsniderwhere is the bug report?16:13
histomungojerry: I've purged pulse and alsa and let them reinstall and nothing still no sound16:13
juk!apport | bjsnider16:13
juk!apport-bug | bjsnider16:13
mungojerryhisto, checked alsamixer?16:13
bjsniderjuk, do NOT do that16:13
mungojerrysometimes channels are muted16:13
histomungojerry: yeah everything checks ok16:13
josephnexushttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/funguloids/+bug/19468616:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 194686 in ogre-contrib (Ubuntu) "Error installing Funguloids: ogre-plugins-cgprogrammanager doesnt exist" [Medium,Confirmed]16:13
josephnexusscroll down... unless someone doesn't read those :-|16:14
histoI'm downloading the cd now to see if it will work in the live environment16:14
histomungojerry: might be an issue from upgrading16:14
bjsniderthat's a different bug. submit a new one16:15
josephnexusbjsnider, did you scroll down?16:16
bjsnideryes i did16:17
bjsniderit's installable, so that's not the same bug16:17
josephnexusshould I just copy/paste that bottom comment into the new bug report?16:17
bjsnidersubmit a new bug, tell them exactly what patch needs to be applied, provide a link to it16:18
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bjsnideror you could create a ppa and patcht he thing yourself16:18
josephnexusi'm busy maintaining some other software, else I would16:19
josephnexusthis isn't so much about me being able to play, this is about people downloading ubuntu, seeing a game that looks neat, and having it mysteriously not work, it puts egg on ubuntu's face, which I dislike16:21
androidbruce|lapanyone using Guake?16:22
androidbruce|laphaving issues with TERM variable16:22
bjsniderassuming the patch applies easily, it would take a grand total of 15 minutes to create a ppa and rebuild that game for it16:22
bullgard4_androidbruce|lap: I had similar problems.16:23
androidbruce|lapyeah16:23
androidbruce|lapit's a pain16:23
androidbruce|lapbullgard4_, do this export TERM=vt10016:23
androidbruce|lapand that should, #fixit16:24
Dr_Willisandroidbruce|lap:  ive been seeing issues where TERM is not getting set also.16:24
Dr_Willisexport TERM=xterm  is what i normally do16:24
bullgard4_androidbruce|lap: No. I solved most problems by inserting »export TERM=xterm« in /home/<myloginname>/.bashrc .16:25
Dr_Willisandroidbruce|lap:  ive seen the issue in several terminal programs.  not just one. so its some sort of system/config issue16:25
josephnexusbjsnider, the problem with that is that people, out of the box, won't have it working16:25
androidbruce|lapbullgard4_, does that affect other issues by putting export TERM=xterm in /.bashrc?16:25
Dr_Willissetting term to xterm on the console may cause issues..16:26
bullgard4_androidbruce|lap: It affects the Tilda program also benefically.16:26
Dr_Willisa better work around would be to check if TERM is set, then set it to xterm, if its not set16:26
josephnexusbjsnider, and asking non-technical people to use a ppa is asking for trouble16:26
mungojerryguys, is unity supposed to look like this? http://imgur.com/UlqFZ16:26
androidbruce|lapDr_Willis, ahh good point16:26
Dr_Willisi noticed the issue in awn-terminal  and xfce-terminal16:27
androidbruce|lapDr_Willis, how would one add that 'script' in /.bashrc?16:27
Dr_Willisbut dident seeit in 'terminator'  it MAY be its a 'set right in  the login shell only' kind of proboem16:27
Dr_Willistry it in 'xterm' vs 'xterm -ls'16:27
bjsniderjosephnexus, alright, if you don't want to submit a new bug about it, then go to the ubuntu-motu channel and tell someone witht he power to do something about it, because this ain't the place for that16:27
josephnexusi made a bug report16:28
josephnexushttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/funguloids/+bug/65460416:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 654604 in funguloids (Ubuntu) "funguloids segaults when trying to start a game" [Undecided,New]16:28
Dr_Willisroxterm = set to dumb also16:29
Dr_Willisxterm works properly.. but i just nopticed my fonts are messed up in xterm :)16:30
Dr_Willisevilvte = set to dumb.16:30
josephnexusDr_willis, I can confirm that when typing in the terminal, fonts are weird16:30
Dr_WillisI added a line at the end of the .bashrc  echo 'Your terminal is set to ' $TERM16:30
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Dr_Willisjosephnexus:  yea.. xterm seems to be goofed up16:31
jcgshi, i'm using kubuntu, and i can't seem to be able to change which power management profile i'm on, is that normal16:31
josephnexusbjsnider, thanks for pointing me to the right channel16:32
josephnexustake care everyone!16:32
Dr_Willisevilvt via login shell option also = dumb./16:32
bjsnideruh oh, i sent him off to bug the motus16:32
Dr_Willisbjsnider:  heh.16:32
jcgsguys?16:32
Dr_WillisIts proberly a known bug..  with some trivial fix..16:32
Dr_WillisI dontuse kde  jcgs  but under gnome io can change profiles.16:33
Dr_WillisMay be a matter of supported mb/chipsets16:33
jcgsdoesn't io mean input-output?16:34
Dr_WillisI can change profiles under gnome16:34
Dr_Willisis what it means.. :)16:34
jcgsthanks for the info :) sadly i'm not planning to switch16:35
Dr_WillisI imagibne its a matter of MB support.. unless theres some bugs in kde.16:35
jcgsi think it's more a matter of missing ui elements16:35
jcgsor the controls are there, just not in a sensible place16:36
Dr_Willisthen its a bug in kde.. try a gnome live cd and see if it works16:36
Dr_WillisI just use the AWN power-applet to  change mine16:36
jcgsi'm sure kde is capable of doing it, it's just there aren't any buttons to click to make it happen, which is a bit random16:37
jcgsunless they've been squirreled somewhere i can't find them16:37
yofeljcgs: I can switch them fine in the power manager applet16:37
Dr_Willisask in #kubuntu they may point you do it..16:37
jcgsyofel: what power manager applet?16:37
Dr_WillisProberly some kde plasmoid to do it.16:37
jcgsthat's what i was thinking, but i couldn't find one :|16:38
Dr_WillisPlasmid = the Powerups in BioShock :)16:38
Dr_Willisperhaps its not installed by default.16:38
yofeljcgs: the Battery Monitor16:38
Dr_WillisI definatly recall a battery thing in kde.16:38
jcgsaaaaaah, that's what it's called16:38
yofelI wonder how to switch profiles without that though o.O16:38
Dr_Willisvia some fancy command line command. :) perhaps16:39
Dr_Willis!info apmd16:39
ubottuapmd (source: apmd): Utilities for Advanced Power Management (APM). In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.2-14 (maverick), package size 50 kB, installed size 256 kB16:39
yofelwell, the power profiles are usually just used if a battery is present so  it might make sense that it's only changable there16:39
Dr_WillisI see them in my AWN applet on this Desktop machine.16:40
yofelwell, you're probably right that there's some qdbus command for it too16:40
Dr_Willisother then 'ondemand' - i rarely use the settings..16:40
Dr_WillisMy Toshiba laptop has an eco mode in widnows.16:40
Dr_Willisit really extends its battery life.  - wonder what all it shuts down..16:41
yofelerm, are we talking about powerdevil profiles or cpu governors?16:41
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jcgsthanks guys :)16:50
MTecknology/j4/4017:03
MTecknologyI think I just found an ugly bug....17:03
MTecknologyin the daily alternate cd I went through the install process and it asked me for the first user - then i boot up and no user was created.17:04
charlie-tcaMTecknology: is that why I can't log in?17:06
MTecknologycharlie-tca: very likely... hop into recovery, become root, ls /home/17:07
MTecknologycharlie-tca: useradd -s /bin/bash -m USER; passwd USER; usermod -a -G sudo USER17:08
charlie-tcaseems wrong, though17:08
MTecknologyhm?17:08
yofelis only the home folder missing or is the user completely missing?17:09
charlie-tcaseems wrong to have to add a user17:09
charlie-tcayofel: the user is missing and the home folder is missing17:09
charlie-tcapasswd does not show the user17:09
MTecknologyyofel: the user never got created17:10
yofelanything in the /var/log/installer/ files?17:10
MTecknologyany idea which file it'd be in?17:11
yofelwell, check the syslog in any case17:11
MTecknologyI just went over the logs with grep and only came up with michael vogt in status (maintainer field in package)17:13
charlie-tcaknown issue17:14
charlie-tca<cjwatson> known and fixed17:14
charlie-tca<cjwatson> user-setup 1.28ubuntu1017:14
Dr_Willisseems odd to be having such issues this close to release...17:18
Dr_WillisI did notice a lot of updates today. (not sure when i last updated, like 3 days ago perhaps)17:18
Dr_WillisI also notice im gettting 1.0 MB/S from one external USB HD to another...  both are plugged into differnt USB ports...17:20
Dr_Willisthat seems a tad... slow.17:20
Dr_Willisaha.. says  in dmesg ->  not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub17:21
Dr_Willisbut.. this is a realtively new machine.. every port on it should be 'high speed'17:21
Lars_GI'll try here even if it's under kde :) so don't hate on me.17:23
Lars_GI removed the unity menu widget from my bar on my netbook, because Eclipse doesn't work well with unity menu... and all programs have their own menu now, except firefox 4 beta (from 4 to 6)...17:24
Lars_GAny ideas why firefox will go menuless rathern than have it's own menu? and how to fix it?17:24
penguin42Lars_G: It doesn't surprise me; the memu thing is a bit of a hack17:32
penguin42Lars_G: You could try removing appmenu-gtk - do a dpkg --purge on it, and then reboot17:33
Lars_Gpenguin42: deleting it completely? I'll try17:35
penguin42yeh17:35
Dr_WillisNow lets see if the USB hds are faster.. moved them to differnt ports..17:36
saxinI can't manage to get the nvidia driver working in Ubuntu 10.10. Tried many times now... first without doing any updates, second with fully updated ubuntu (additional drivers in ubuntu), now I tried to dl the file from nvdia website.. everything works great, but when I take a reboot, it wont boot into ubuntu anymore... just flashing like crazy on my screen. I run 64 bit ubuntu.17:40
Dr_Williswhats your video card?17:41
saxinDr_Willis, NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX+17:44
saxinDr_Willis, I see you are helping people over in #ubuntu , but if you have any suggestions, go ahead :)17:49
Dr_WillisMine works fine. so cant say much on the topic17:49
Dr_Willisits an 8800gtsxxx and my 360M both work fine17:49
saxin:\17:49
saxinwhat can it be -_-17:50
Dr_Willismy 5500 system is dead. so i havent tested it on 10.1017:50
Dr_Willisand i NEVER use the ones from the nvidia homepage. :)17:50
LinuturkI am having issues with the e1000e driver in 10.04. Have there been significant changes in to 10.10 to address any known issues?17:50
dajhornDr_Willis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/62697417:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 626974 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "ABI change in xorg 1.9 breaks legacy nvidia-96 and nvidia-173 drivers in Maverick" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:51
bjsniderthere's a new 173 driver that is compatible with xorg 1.917:53
ChrisBuchholzWasnt the Unity Application Menu going to be available as an option in Ubuntu Desktop?17:54
sda1986hi all, can i tell to my ubuntu, "when you lock the screen, turn off the monitor"? thanks!17:55
penguin42sda1986: System-->preferences->Power management preferecnes, Display can tell it to turn the screen off after a given time17:57
penguin42sda1986: If you line that up with the time that your screen saver is set to come on, then it should work17:58
sda1986penguin42: example if i set screensaver after 100min and sleep monitor after 1min if i lock the screen after 1min it turn it down but if i don't lock and i watch youtube for example it works?18:03
donriIs it intentional email accounts are spaced differently in the message menu? Looks odd.18:04
penguin42sda1986: Ah, I don't think it knows about youtube for example, I think it would still see that as inactive18:04
sda1986flash film\youtube really annoying me :(18:05
penguin42yeh18:07
qwamHow do I get a wireless interface to use a different module?18:08
qwamfrom the command line?18:08
mikehhhi, I updated Kubuntu 10.10 RC about half an hour ago and now I can't get into it - after loging in it gives me a blank screen with just a mouse pointer18:16
mikehhthis is from Ubuntu 10.10 which seems ok after the last update (although I have not re-booted)18:18
mikehhthat's amd64 BTW18:19
penguin42which graphics card?18:20
TuGahi18:21
TuGai have ubuntu 10.10 x64 desktop on and can not start x11vnc server from a remote ssh shell, what can i do to solve this?18:21
zniavre__who made this new legacy nvidia 173.xx drivers please ?18:22
trismTuGa: what error are you getting? did you set the display correctly?18:22
zniavre__why this .28 does not exists into nvidia drivers website ?18:23
TuGathis is my  command18:24
TuGax11vnc -rfbport 7500 -rfbauth .vom/x11vn -o .vom/x11vn.log -localhost -display :018:24
TuGaanyone?18:24
mikehhpenguin42: an oldish nvidia card18:26
mikehhwith the nvidia drivers on Kubuntu (I removed them on Ubuntu)18:26
* penguin42 doesn't know the Nvidia stuff, but I'd try removing and readdin the driver18:27
mikehhhow do I disable them using cli18:27
mikehhwhich is all I can get into18:27
penguin42mikehh: Maybe witth jockey-text ?18:27
charlie-tcaMTecknology: there is a new image out, .1 that fixes the user issue18:30
MTecknologycharlie-tca: cool, I figured it wouldn't take long18:33
dajhornzniavre:  Unofficial:  https://launchpad.net/~dajhorn/+archive/x-updates/18:36
mikehhpenguin42: let me try jockey-text and see what happens - bbl18:36
zniavredajhorn,  ok thank you18:39
Milos_SDHi18:44
Milos_SDDoes Ubuntu 10.10 works ok with Intel i3 integrated GPU?18:45
om26erMilos_SD, you can try it with downloading the ISO from releases.ubuntu.com and boot in live session18:50
mikehhbah - I disabled the nVidia driver - it still goes to a blank screen after I log in18:51
mikehhUbuntu 10.10 amd64 - updated works fine (where I am now) - Kubuntu 10.10 amd64 (updated about an hour ago) goes to a blank screen (mouse pointer works - nothing else)18:53
mikehhthe latest update (here) had some kde stuff, which presumable might fix it18:57
mikehhI have no idea how to update Kubuntu - I am connected via wireless pci card and don't know how to connect that from cli in Kubuntu18:59
TeslaTonyIs there anything I can do to speed up searching for programs in 10.10 UNR? Since I have no menu or alt+f2, I have to look through a large, clumsy menu that uses some graphical effects that I don't think my netbook can handle19:02
penguin42mikehh: If Kubuntu uses network manager you might be able to do it with nmcli19:03
yofelKubuntu does use network manager by default19:04
* penguin42 doesn't know how to use nmcli but it's man page does seem to suggest that you can bring connections up with it19:05
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mikehhmethinks I am going to back up my root and home partins for this working system before doing anything else :-}19:25
nemoone more reason to hate polkit19:27
nemoanyone ever notice that after typing in your password, the prompt vanishes, but the dialog stays up?19:27
nemojust, unresponsive.19:28
nemoclosing the dialog w/ the X appears to make the app proceed normally19:28
SeRVeR01nemo yes same thing happened with me19:31
SeRVeR01 /j #eglug19:32
K41hi19:34
K41i got an issue regarding wireless19:34
K41as soon as power is disconnected ... its realy slow ... any idea?19:35
K41I'm using STA-Broadcom driver on a Dell D630 Notebook19:36
nemoK41: haven't encountered that myself but... anything in dmesg and - does wifi like spike your CPU or anything?19:36
nemoK41: for wpa or whatnot?19:36
nemo'cause certainly your CPU might go to a low power profile19:36
K41wpa19:36
K41strange thing .. with power cable: 1 ms delay to AO19:37
K41AP19:37
K41without about 200ms19:37
K41jep 800Mhz ...19:37
K41but thats nearly always the case .. I didn't had the issue with 10.0419:38
nemoanything in dmesg from the wifi?19:38
nemoand. maybe 10.04 was less aggressive about restricting CPU19:38
nemoK41: could test by forcing 800mhz while on power19:38
K41like right now ;) ?19:38
nemousing the CPU freq scaling widget19:39
nemoer. applet19:39
K41as soon as the popup regarding the battery pops up ..19:39
K41its going slow19:39
K41throttled to 800Mhz still 1-2 ms delay19:39
K41nemo, as far as I can remember i had the same issue in an early version of 10.04 ...19:41
K41then i swtiched back to gentoo ...19:41
K41later everything worked fine ..19:41
K41STA-Broadcom driver .. if that helps19:42
K41anyone can help me regaring this issue??19:45
TuGai have ubuntu 10.10 x64 desktop on and can not start x11vnc server from a remote ssh shell, what can i do to solve this?19:45
penguin42TuGa: What error does it give?19:47
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TuGapenguin42, humm wen i execute on putty shell the x11vnc command it just doesnt show anything, were can i see the messag log for this?19:49
penguin42TuGa: The command you used has a -o and a x11vn.log - maybe that says?19:50
TuGapenguin42, http://pastebin.com/kZRccm1W19:53
thomas82could you please tell me if the following log in Xorg.log is standard or not? I'm expecting some CPU lag from time to time, and trying to find why... here it is:   http://pastebin.com/wQPs1ihT19:54
penguin42TuGa: So you've already started X by logging as the same user, and now you've ssh'd in?19:54
penguin42thomas82: That bit looks OK to me19:55
thomas82penguin42: Thank you, I'll look elsewhere.. :)19:55
K41hm ... has anyone an idea how to debug my wireless problem?19:56
nemoK41: so. did you try my suggestion ?19:56
nemoboth of them?19:56
nemoso far I see no evidence you did :-p19:57
nemojust more "help"19:57
TuGai'm log in has "normal" user after that create the ssh tunnel to this machine and only them i need to start the x11vnc session19:57
K41nothing in dmesg...19:57
K41and i'm throttleing it down to 800MHz right now ..19:57
nemoK41: aaand, restricting to 800mhz?19:57
nemoah19:57
nemofinally :-p19:57
K41everything is fine19:57
nemom'k19:57
penguin42TuGa: Sorry I don't understand that19:58
K41i need to be related to some kind of energy saving thing19:58
K41its just slow when the Popup in gnome appears19:58
K413-4 seconds after i pull the plug19:58
nemoK41: clearly such issues are not linux-unique19:59
nemohttp://www.google.com/search?q=slow+wifi+on+battery19:59
TuGapenguin42, this desktop is always session locked, from a remote machine i make a ssh client session to it, and using that tunnel i start x11vnc server. and this runed on 9.10 no stress.19:59
K41before the update everything was fine .. hm19:59
alex88__hi, i'm trying netbook edition...i've removed firefox and installed chromium..how can i add it to the launchers on the left?20:00
DanaGheh, update-manager is funny...20:01
alex88__i've read to run the app and right-click-> keep in launcher..but i haven't that option20:01
penguin42TuGa: OK, my guess is it's related to the change in XAUTHORITY; it's not now in .xauthority, but in /var/run/gdm/something when you log in via GDM, I'm guessing you'll need to set XAUTHORITY before running x11vnc20:01
DanaG"Downloading Packages Packages"20:01
* penguin42 wonders why that changed20:01
DanaG"Downloading Packages Sources Packages"20:01
DanaG"Downloading Sources Sources"20:01
TuGapenguin42, how can i set XAUTHORITY?20:02
K41nemo, any idea where to look??20:02
penguin42TuGa: I'm not 100% sure of the right solution; when you log in to the desktop session do   echo $XAUTHORITY, then   before you run x11vnc try doing export XAUTHORITY=whatever the echo told you20:03
TuGapenguin42, ok will give it a try tks20:04
alex88__remaking question, where is stored the list of launchers in unity?20:05
nemoK41: nope :)20:06
K41nemo, hm ;)20:07
alex88__ok..no one knows20:11
alex88__https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/630066 seems like a known bug20:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 630066 in Unity "chromium cannot be added to unity dock" [High,Fix committed]20:13
Piciit seems like a fix was committed.20:13
alex88__Pici: seen that..searching deeper20:14
alex88__because i can't dock just chromium20:14
K41hey nemo20:14
K41hab nen ansatz ,,20:14
K41wenn ich iwconfig eth1 power off mache20:14
K41ist alles wieder schnell ...20:14
Pici!de | K4120:14
ubottuK41: In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.20:14
K41sry20:15
Picialex88__: Have you done any updates recently?20:17
K41nemo, if I do iwconfig eth1 power off .. everything is fine again ..20:17
alex88__Pici: i've installed with internet connected saying to install updates..and it has downloaded things..btw, running again..20:18
nemoK41: eth1 being your wifi?20:18
K41right ;)20:18
alex88__Pici: right.. bamfdaemon found as updated..probably the fix is there20:18
K41nemo, powersaving seems to set this somewhere . any idea where?20:19
step21hi, apt-get always fails to get http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/Release ... any idea why?20:19
penguin42step21: What errors does it give? I had to import a key at one point20:20
mvki just updated my maverick install20:21
Andre_Gondimmy empathy doesn't connect with gtalk protocol20:21
mvkbut now all i see, after rebooting - is a terminal login20:21
mvk i verified the dmesg/ Xorg0.log -> but there are not errors in there20:21
mvkis there something fishy in the last updates? (i already tried reinstalling graphics drivers.. but no result, they load fine anyhow)????20:21
yofelwhat graphics card and drivers?20:22
mvknvidia-current20:22
mvk(that worked fine 5mins ago)20:22
mvkactually, i do see the Xorg server cursor ..... when i move the mouse, but no desktop......................... or any graphics of any kind20:23
yofelwhat does 'sudo service gdm restart' do? (or kdm, lxdm, depending on what you use)20:23
yofeloh? then X starts fine at least, maybe the login manager broke then20:23
nemoK41: no to that too, although if you don't find it, I guess  you could just script it to local start or somesuch20:24
mvkkdm start/running, process 188720:24
K41nemo, at least i can work now ;)20:24
K41nemo, thanks for you google link - i was looking ubuntu related .. without success20:24
step21penguin42, yes it complains about a key as well, but it is a fresh install from the rc, so keys should be imported ...20:25
mvkyofel: i get to see my tty ... in 1920x1080 (nouveau is not running), but i cannot type anything into it20:25
step21right?20:25
mvkyofel: its highly unlikely its my graphicscard-driver, no reports in either xorglog or dmesg at all20:25
TuGapenguin42, the tick with the echo worked in Perfection!20:26
mvkyofel: can i load the desktop bypassing kdm somehow?20:26
penguin42TuGa: Great, it's a rather annoying change, I don't think anyone really knows why GDM did it20:26
nemoK41: so. looks like overaggressive power saving is cross-OS20:26
TuGapenguin42,  i used   /var/run/gdm/auth-for-auth-for-gdm-DpAzG2/20:27
thomas82ehh that's really pity that Ubuntu with 2.6.35 kernel is so useless :( Very high system load from time to time, and it seems like "nothing" cause it :/20:27
TuGapenguin42, because i used the export do i have to do the export after every boot?20:27
yofelmvk: well, you can login and try to run 'sudo startx', not sure what that will give you then, if you only get a xterm maybe run 'startkde'20:27
penguin42thomas82: A few people have said that, can you just leave vmstat 1   running and see if you can spot anything when it's unresponsive20:28
thomas82I guess that is definitely kernel problem... I used also gentoo and sabayon with 2.6.35 and the same problem with the same programs runing..20:28
penguin42TuGa: Yes, and the path will be different each time20:28
JAMD456How do I remove a PPA and downgrade/restore the package to the original state20:28
thomas82penguin42: you won't see nothing special in vmstat 1 when the problem occurs :(20:28
penguin42JAMD456: Using ppa-purge20:28
TuGapenguin42,  :s no hack i can do to it?20:28
penguin42thomas82: Sure?20:28
penguin42TuGa: Not that I know20:28
thomas82penguin42: yes20:29
mvkyofel: when i try to run startkde, it says that kdebase-workspace-bin is not installed20:29
penguin42thomas82: That's very odd20:29
JAMD456penguin42 will that remove all of the PPAs?20:29
martez89can someone help me with enabling the dynpm power management?20:29
mvkwhen i try to apt-get install that, i get E: broken packages..........20:29
yofelmvk: ouch, please check your packages or remove and install kubuntu-desktop again20:30
JAMD456penguin42 I only want to remove one20:30
penguin42JAMD456: I think you tell it which one you want to purge20:30
step21thomas82, I had that with indicator-sound, and it is a problem with indicator sound trying to reconnect with pulseaudio, maybe that's it20:30
yofelmvk: if you have amd64, there was an inconsistency in the archive which could have removed packages if you updated carelessly20:30
mvkyofel: apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop20:30
mvk'kubuntu-desktop is not installed'20:30
mvkomf20:30
yofelerm, install it ^^20:30
martez89by adding radeon.modeset=1 radeon.dynpm=1 to grub dynpm power management will be enabled?20:31
thomas82I've notice that the problem exist when I got running dynamips / GNS3.. However I've checked and on Ubuntu 10.04 the problem doens't exist20:31
step21so ... how/where do I get the key for the extras repo?20:31
mvkyofel: when i try to, it shows a list of 30 K packages, and then E:broken packages20:32
TuGapenguin42, ok maybe this bug its solved in the next update. tks20:32
mvko, when i try it again20:32
mvknow it wants to install kubuntu-desktop20:32
yofelmvk: can you run sudo apt-get update and try again?20:32
mvkdid 5 times20:32
JAMD456penguin42 thanks for your help20:32
thomas82penguin42: I'm logging vmstat 1 output to file, next time I'll get a fast increasing a system load, I'll post it, maybe here someone will spot something ;)20:32
penguin42TuGa: Thing is I don't think it's a bug, I think it's a change in behaviour - and not one I like!20:32
yofelmvk: try a sudo apt-get install -f20:32
mvknow after last time, it actually wants to update..... / install kubuntu-desktop20:32
yofelah, then good20:33
mvkyofel: how it got in the first place, kpackage remove kubuntu-desktop20:33
mvk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111, i only updated (a load of) packages20:33
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)20:33
TuGapenguin42, :s20:33
yofelwell, could have been removed due to a depenceny conflict as I said20:33
mvkIts uncool, maverick deinstalled my kubuntu-desktop20:33
yofelI'm not sure how kpk handles those20:34
yofelI usually use aptitude or muon20:34
mvkyofel: when a mirror is updating.... is it possible my system mixes up packages?20:34
mvkjust guessing, but dependency conflict or not, i found this pretty annoying............................20:35
yofelwell, more likely is launchpad not publishing packages fast enough and you ending up with broken dependencies for a few hours20:36
yofeldepends on the package manager how it handles them20:36
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mvkyofel: well, imo a repos shouldnt be available then for updating20:37
yofeltell *that* to launchpad20:37
IdleOneJust a little reminder folks20:37
PiciYou should watch to see what your package manager is suggesting before you let it do crazy things, epecially when running a beta.20:37
IdleOne!party20:37
ubottuPlease remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to Maverick release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseParties20:37
K41can anyone tell me where I can modify power saving settings on battery?20:38
mvkK41: kubuntu or ubuntu?20:41
K41mvk, ubuntu ;)20:41
K41since 10.10 the wireless power saving mode on battery has been changed ...20:42
sykehi20:48
sykeI've found a serious kernel panic regression in 10.10's 2.6.35 kernel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/65323820:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 653238 in linux (Ubuntu) "maverick kernel 2.6.35-22 panics when booting on Dell Precision T3500" [Undecided,New]20:48
sykeI tried another brand of desktop with the same chipset and similar BIOS, and it happens on that also20:49
sykebooting into the 2.6.32 kernel "fixes" it, but is not an option for deployment20:49
sykeany help is greatly appreciated20:49
yofelseems like it can't reset the AHCI controller, can you use IDE mode?20:52
funnylookinhatAnyone here installed on a Macbook Pro 5,5 ?20:55
funnylookinhatThe trackpad is basically useless...  :(20:55
_mag_funnylookinhat: I agree. But I can't offer any insight20:56
funnylookinhat_mag_: well at least I have some emotional support here :)20:56
_mag_funnylookinhat: It doesn't even show up as a trackpad to configure (in kubuntu)20:56
_mag_:)20:56
sykeyofel: in the BIOS, I can only set between ACPI, AHCI, and RAID modes20:57
sykethere's no "IDE" setting20:57
sykeyofel: but this also worked just fine in 10.04, and works fine if I boot into the 2.6.32 kernel20:57
penguin42syke: Well it does look like a bug, but to work around I would probably try ACPI and see if that works20:57
yofelit *is* a kernel regression, but I can't think of any other solution besides fixing the kernel and not using AHCI20:58
_mag_So, I'm using the netbook remix, and I think the launcher bar on the left hand side of my screen is just in the way. Is there any20:59
_mag_way to hide it or disable it entirely? I've tried logging in with the "Ubuntu Netbook 2D"-variant. This mode is without the sidebar, but it is without the neat global menubar. I'm a bit picky about my screen real estate, you see ;)20:59
yofelfunnylookinhat: as what is the trackpad even recognised?20:59
funnylookinhatyofel: not sure what you're asking...  ?20:59
mrbrowndoes anybody know if ubuntu 10.10 has problems with virtual terminals?21:00
yofelfunnylookinhat: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?21:00
sykepenguin42: okay, I'll try that. will that be less performant?21:00
funnylookinhatyofel: booted back into OS X for now to get work done - I can try to find you later though w/ it.21:00
yofelk21:01
donriHow to check if an installed package comes from PPA or repos?21:02
Picidonri: apt-cache policy packagename21:03
donriThanks21:04
penguin42syke: Not sure21:05
sykepengiun42: I use this machine for compiling a lot, which is why it has dual 10K RPM drives in it21:10
_mag_yofel: On my MacBookPro5,5, it says bcm5974 recognizes the touchpad as a touchpad. Still want the whole log?21:10
sykeI'll test the performance, but if it's significantly less, that will be a non-starter for me as well :(21:10
reveriemay i ask , is 10.10 rc and final version are the same?21:10
PiciNot necessarily.21:11
sykeon top of my wacom tablet also no longer working, and the PPAs not supporting maverick, I may have to go back to 10.04 :(21:11
sykewhich is too bad, because I was looking forward to the toolchain and mono improvements21:11
reveriehmm21:11
donriINFO: using unknown version '/usr/bin/python2.7' (debian_defaults not up-to-date?) ← I get this message a lot when doing APT stuff, what's up?21:12
trismdonri: did you change the default python version?21:13
donriNope, just install 2.721:14
donri$ LANG=C update-alternatives --list python21:14
donriupdate-alternatives: error: no alternatives for python.21:14
donriAnd actually, $ python --version21:15
donriPython 2.6.621:15
sykeI wonder if my kernel panic is related to this:21:16
sykemdadm: unrecognised word on ARRAY line: RAID21:16
sykemdadm: unrecognised word on ARRAY line: Array21:16
sykemdadm: unrecognised word on ARRAY line: RAID21:16
sykemdadm: unrecognised word on ARRAY line: Array21:16
sykeI see that when I do a dpkg-reconfigure on the kernel package21:16
penguin42That's weird21:17
_mag_yofel: Here's the entire Xorg.0.log (that you asked funnylookinhat for): http://pastebin.com/VUSVZ22i21:17
sykemy mdadm.conf isn't much to look at, either.21:19
sykeholy shit21:19
sykeI think I figured this out21:19
sykecheck out this line from mdadm.conf21:20
sykeARRAY /dev/md/New RAID Array level=raid0 metadata=1.2 num-devices=2 UUID=3244e512:342d26eb:3d14e6d9:431f9aa1 name=:New RAID Array21:20
sykethe name "New RAID Array" was the default name used by the Disk Utility21:20
penguin42syke: I bet it doesn't like the spaces in the name21:20
sykeyup21:20
sykeI'll change that and see if the kernel boots21:20
penguin42syke: Doubt that causes your oops though21:20
sykebut what a weird regression21:21
sykepengiun42: I'll try it real quick and re-join to report21:21
sykebrb21:21
dajhornzniavre: Don't use that PPA that I gave you earlier.  The updated nvidia-173 driver package in Maverick was updated a few hours ago.21:21
trismdonri: what does /usr/share/python/debian_defaults look like?21:22
yofel_mag_: that looks fine at first glance but I don't know too much about macs, might be worth to compare to a lucid log if you have one21:22
n01s3YYYYYYYYYYYYYEehah! Rally them maverickz!21:23
trismdonri: nm, yeah that's the problem, python2.7 isn't in that file, so it complains in packages that use python-central, and others21:24
_mag_yofel: No such luck :/21:25
trismdonri: although adding it doesn't seem to help, it just adds another info message for python2.6 too, hmm21:26
donritrism: python-central?21:26
trismdonri: yeah, they are helper scripts for building pure python packages21:26
donridefault-version = python2.621:26
donri2.7 isn't listed in any field21:27
donriIs this a bug that there is a package for 2.7 but it's not listed anywhere there?21:27
olskolircis maverick in the repository yet?21:32
yofelolskolirc: I don't get what you're asking, the RC is out if you mean that21:33
trismdonri: yes, it is a bug in the python-minimal package, python2.7 should be added to debian_defaults (removed the info message for me, I forgot the comma the first time which broke it more)21:33
donriReport, you or me? :)21:34
sykechanging to ATA in the BIOS hard hangs on boot, before even loading the kernel21:34
trismdonri: you if you want to21:34
sykeand fixing the name of the RAID array in mdadm.conf didn't make a difference; 2.6.35 still panics on boot21:34
olskolircis there a repository for it yofel?21:35
yofelolskolirc: well, there is, if your definition of repository is the same as mine21:36
olskolircok bypassing yofel21:37
olskolircanyone have the repository link for meerkat please?21:37
yofelolskolirc: if you want to install maverick see the RC link in the topic21:38
yofelhttp://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/101021:39
_mag_So, I'm using the netbook remix, and I think the launcher bar on the left hand side of my screen is just in the way. Is there any21:41
_mag_way to hide it or disable it entirely? I've tried logging in with the "Ubuntu Netbook 2D"-variant. This mode is without the sidebar, but it is without the neat global menubar. I'm a bit picky about my screen real estate, you see ;)21:41
donritrism: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/+bug/654826  if you want to add anything21:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 654826 in python-defaults (Ubuntu) "Python 2.7 missing in debian_defaults" [Undecided,New]21:41
donritrism: Why doesn't it bug with Python 3 which isn't listed either?21:41
trismdonri: there was/is a bug, but it was marked invalid, which may happen to this one too (since 2.7 technically isn't supported until natty)21:43
donriOK. Can this cause any problems?21:44
trismdonri: it might, I'm not sure21:52
sykeok, I have a workaround21:54
sykethis is a known kernel regression21:54
sykehttps://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1622821:54
ubottubugzilla.kernel.org bug 16228 in PCI "BUG/boot failure on Dell Precision T3500 (pci/ahci_stop_engine)" [Normal,Resolved: patch_already_available]21:54
zniavredajhorn, yes thank you i saw it before21:54
sykebooting with pci=norcs fixes the problem21:54
sykethere are patches attached to that kernel bug to fix the issue21:56
olskolircim sick of klipper!  I can't c/p when i want too how do I disable it so I can c/p all i want WITHOUT having to clear the clipper please?21:56
olskolircklipper21:56
sda1986hi all, i have a couple of problem with my webcam. I have an asus F3jp laptop with a ID 05e1:0501 Syntek Semiconductor Co., Ltd DC-1125 Webcam. Problem 1. Low quality definition how can I solve it? Problem 2. When I start the cam a led turn it on, but never turn it off. I know the webcam it doesn't work because i putted a programm camera monitor but it's annoying! Please help22:03
cmpsalvestriniGood day ppl22:08
cmpsalvestriniWell I've found out an interesting quirk in lovely maverick22:08
cmpsalvestriniSubstantially you can't boot after the install for some reason, I had to go the roundabout way and install from the live environment.22:09
jukI cannot set colors in gedit pycononsole http://pastebin.com/2qpNqpHG22:10
olskolircubuntu releases in a few days, is it almost bug free?  what are the biggest complaints before i make a commitment and please don't tell me to rtfm i have a crisis and no time - if you have the answer donate it please.22:14
olskolircmeerkat rather22:14
krabadori've some problem with firefox 3.6.10 and the latest flashplugin-nonfree on the today's daily build: running one by one some site with flash object, the plugin crash after 3-4 sites22:14
cmpsalvestriniis it me or btrfs is sorta slow?22:15
donriolskolirc: If you have a crisis and no time I wouldn't update from LTS22:15
DanaGcmpsalvestrini: I don't think it's just you.22:16
DanaGEven phoronix.com has benchmarked btrfs, and found it slow.22:16
cmpsalvestriniso btrfs *is* sorta slow22:16
DanaGA bigger issue: it reports "no free disk space" at 75% usage.22:17
olskolirctry adobeflash plugin krabador22:17
olskolircok donri22:17
olskolircim prepping my system and backin s* up and im scared :-(22:17
cmpsalvestrinihrm. should not have used btrfs as my / filesystem... :(22:17
krabadorolskolirc: but flashplugin-nonfree don't go to adobe to download the plugin?22:18
cmpsalvestriniWhat about adobe square? you know the famed 64bit flash plugin... is that available yet22:19
donriolskolirc: Non-LTS releases are in a way preview releases of the next LTS release. If you want stability stick with LTS.22:19
cmpsalvestriniblast it I want zfs22:19
step21DanaG, I thought that was due toencryption or something22:19
DanaGA bigger issue, for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/61259122:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 612591 in linux (Ubuntu) "Maverick kernel treats touchpad's middle button as ClickPad" [Undecided,New]22:20
olskolirckrabador, sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin22:21
krabadorolskolirc: ok22:23
donriolskolirc: Requires partners repo enabled yes?22:24
olskolirc? donri?22:25
donriadobe-flashplugin22:25
olskolircno donri its in the repository i don't know which repsitory its in i have all of mine checked except for dvd (of course)22:25
donriThen you have partners enabled22:26
cmpsalvestrinigahh, the humanity... with btrfs this slow it's gonna take furevar to install anything22:30
cmpsalvestriniwhat fs can I use to make it better I wonder22:30
olskolircwhat is btrfs cmpsalvestrini ?22:32
donriolskolirc: A filesystem22:33
cmpsalvestrinia new filesystem for linux that is said to be linux's answer to zfs, which is a filesystem used by Solaris22:33
donricmpsalvestrini: Why not ext4?22:33
yofelwell, ext4 is a bit faster, but package installation has been slow in general since dpkg started to explicitely sync files to the disk22:33
cmpsalvestriniHow about reiser or xfs or jfs?22:33
cmpsalvestriniI'm just exploring my options here22:34
yofelhaven't tested reiser, jfs feels same as ext to me, didn't test it much, and xfs is slow when it comes to operations with many files22:34
step21cmpsalvestrini, i dunno, i didn't noticed btrfs being slow22:34
cmpsalvestriniwhat about phoronix's review step21, it said it was slow... just repeating something I heard earlier here22:35
donriyofel: What did dpkg do before?22:35
cmpsalvestriniah, so it's all the update manager's fault that my system is crawling?22:36
yofeldonri: simply write the files on disk, with creating a tempfile and renaming it afterwards, but we got a lot of exec format error bug reports with 0 byte files so dpkg was patched to use fsync()22:36
step21cmpsalvestrini, yeah, ofc I'm only talking from personal exprience here.22:37
yofelI think they changed that to sync() later, but I can't remember what exactly the current state is22:37
* cmpsalvestrini grumbles, a pox on breakage22:37
step21also I was really surprised that the citrix client and cisco anyconnect now work really well.22:38
step21cmpsalvestrini, maybe, esp. software center seems to be really slow as well.22:38
cmpsalvestriniwell maybe so, but this much disk thrashing can't be good22:49
brennanwew that was a crazy install22:50
brennanhow many people have bought the wallpaper22:51
brennanhaha22:51
step21cmpsalvestrini, well I have os x alongside ubuntu and soon a thinkpad as backup, so even if btrfs would wreck, it wouldn't be too bad22:53
brennanso i can report a relatively slow but successful install22:54
brennani download like 2 MB/s cant imagine how long choosing download option would be for avg user22:54
brennanbut yeah nice work gents and ladies22:54
brennanare those crazy repo default settings just for testing purposes?22:55
g0tchahey guys, does ubuntu 10.10 work good with touchscreen tablet pcs like the hp touchsmart tm2?22:56
step21which ones?22:56
brennan  nevermind i see what it is22:58
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brennanthe ''restricted' and 'multiverse' nm22:58
cmpsalvestrini*yawn22:58
brennantrue22:58
brennanoh yeah this public key error in synaptic22:59
brennanim guessing youve heard about it already22:59
brennanlol22:59
yofelit still errors about the extras repos?22:59
brennanon the default repo, i selected my usual mirror22:59
brennanthough23:00
brennanill file on launchpad23:00
cmpsalvestriniyes I still get an unsigned warning, nothing gpg can't handle I suppose?23:09
yofelcmpsalvestrini: *which* repos does it complain about?23:11
cmpsalvestriniyofel: extras I believe23:11
ChogyDanwhat can I do to get deluge fixed?23:11
yofelcmpsalvestrini: that's odd, ubuntu-desktop depends on ubuntu-extras-keyring, so you shouldn't get a gpg warning as long as that's installed23:12
thomas82I think I finally managed to find what cause my CPU Lag... It looks like X - so probably caused by Ati driver, could you please confirm it??   Here is an output from vmstat 1 followed by 2 screenshots with gnome-system-monitor + htop + vmstat in the time of "attack".  http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SmZ2Usbc http://www.wstaw.org/h/88bd05dfb0c http://www.wstaw.org/h/164308b772323:12
neurochromequick question... why is there a a load of plugins removed from compiz in the latest version?  I've got way more to hand in Jaunty, the "Show Desktop" plugin is not there anymore, meaning I don't have a slick 'to-the-corners' slide anymore.... What is going off???!!!23:13
thomas82it wasn't so high as before (>20 average load) but even ~10 is too much. (now I got <0.85) and everything is the same...23:13
brennanneurochrome: you just upgraded from jaunty to the RC?23:14
neurochromeno, I still have jaunty on my laptop, I've used karmic and lucid on other machines (HTPC's)23:14
penguin42neurochrome: You sure they aren't in extra packages?23:14
neurochromepenguin42, you tell me?23:15
DanaGI had to stop using showdesktop, because it kept getting stuck with windows lost off the sides.23:15
penguin42neurochrome: I don't really use compiz, but I know there is a compiz-fusion-plugins and a compiz-plugins I' not sure if there are others23:15
brennanDid you download the RC to be a tester or expecting a working product?23:15
penguin42neurochrome: Ooh and a compiz-fusion-plugins-extra23:15
brennansubmit bugs in launchpad23:15
neurochromeDanaG, that _still_ not fixed?! lol23:15
brennanfix it yourself or wait til sunday23:16
neurochromepenguin42, I'll have a look next time I boot it23:16
brennancanonical uses betas and RCs as a marketing buzz tool23:16
brennanthis problem happens every six months23:16
brennananyhoo23:16
brennantake it easy23:16
neurochromehas the bug been fixed where if you set the desktop to automatically login at boot during the installer, then you ahve to enter the keyring password EVERY TIME when the desktop comes up to gain access to wifi... that was epic fail23:17
neurochromeif you have to enter the password then you might as well, have a login screen...23:18
U2010Hello. can anyone tell me what's the status of btrfs in meerkat's release candidate?23:18
neurochromeU2010, no idea...23:18
neurochromeU2010, don't hold your breath23:19
yofelU2010: you can use it from the manual partition menu, if you want to use it for root you need a seperate non-btrfs /boot partition as grub can't boot on btrfs yet23:19
U2010And how stable is it?23:20
coz_dhey guys, notice that synaptic is far slower on maverick than on lucid... someone working on this?23:20
td123who is going to have an ubuntu party?23:25
weboideHello all, I've got quite a few kernel panics but kernel-oops does not seem to notice them... any idea why?23:28
yofelweboide: because it's disabled since RC23:28
penguin42weboide: Out of interest which ones?23:29
yofelyou'll have to enable it in /etc/default/kerneloops23:29
penguin42yofel: It is? How do you reenable it?23:29
penguin42oh23:29
yofelsame goes for apport23:29
yofel(crash catching part)23:29
weboideyofel: well, great to know, thanks a lot :)23:29
yofelweboide: and don't forget to actually start the service or reboot after editing the file ;)23:30
weboideyofel: I'll make sure of that, thanks23:31
WebDawg??23:31
step21btw, although the person left, in the rc if you select btrfs the installer actually tells you that you need a boot partition I think23:31
yofelWebDawg: hi, got a question?23:31
TheLimeRunnerHey, I am experiencing some problems. Looking to see if I can get some help.23:31
TheLimeRunnerI'm experiencing sever mouse lag.23:31
TheLimeRunnerWith 10.1023:31
WebDawgWhat is #ubuntu+1?23:32
LicuadoraAnd I dont have any sound in 10.1023:32
TheLimeRunnerMy graphics chipset is the intel mobile 4 express23:32
yofel!topic | WebDawg23:32
ubottuWebDawg: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic23:32
penguin42TheLimeRunner: Hmm someone else said they had that, I've not got it on either of my machines23:32
WebDawgI did read the topic.  But why the channel?23:32
TheLimeRunnerI updated the latest Xorg and the expiramental mesa drivers23:32
penguin42TheLimeRunner: ANd it didn't help?23:32
WebDawgAhh.23:32
TheLimeRunnerpenguin42 It's the the point that booting is useless.23:32
TheLimeRunnerNope.23:32
WebDawgWhat version will this be?23:32
yofelWebDawg: this channel is the support room for the development release, and maverick isn't released yet23:32
yofelWebDawg: 10.1023:33
Licuadoraubuntu+1 is the channel you are redirect when in #ubuntu can't help you23:33
penguin42TheLimeRunner: Can you get your dmesg to a pastebin?23:33
WebDawgIs 10.10 LTS?23:33
step21no23:33
TheLimeRunnerHmm I can try.23:33
penguin42Licuadora: No!23:33
yofelWebDawg: no, 12.04 will be the next LTS23:33
TheLimeRunnerI'll brb  I have to reboot.23:33
Licuadoraoh...23:33
WebDawg12.04?!?!?!?!23:33
WebDawgWhat happens with 11?23:33
LicuadoraWell, I have 10.10 and no sound23:33
TheLimeRunnerWebDawg Yeah, that's the next release after 10.04's 3 year support is up23:34
penguin42WebDawg: This channel is always the next one, when Maverick releases its discussion will go back to #ubuntu and a little while later we'll talk about Natty on here23:34
yofelWebDawg: the release that comes out in April 2012, only every 4th ubuntu release is LTS23:34
WebDawgWhat happens when you get to UBUNTU V2023:34
TheLimeRunnerWe use 20.04?23:34
WebDawgOr a too high of a number?23:34
TheLimeRunnerOr 20.1023:34
WebDawgReally?23:34
TheLimeRunnerYeah23:34
WebDawgInteresting.23:34
TheLimeRunnerWhy?23:34
LicuadoraI was compiling the latest ALSA when this happen23:34
Licuadora/home/osmodivs/ALSA/alsa-driver-1.0.23/acore/pcm_native.c:492: error: implicit declaration of function ‘pm_qos_add_requirement’23:34
LicuadoraI do not what that means23:35
WebDawgSo eventually an Ubuntu 30010 will exist?23:35
ubottuUbuntu bug 30010 in librsvg (Ubuntu) "nautilus crashes when opening folder containg .svg file generated by Amaya" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3001023:35
LicuadoraAll I know is I have no sound23:35
penguin42Licuadora: Why were you building your own ?23:35
* penguin42 looks at ubottu23:35
* yofel didn't know that the bot triggered on ubuntu <bugnum> o.O23:35
Licuadorapenguin42; Well, is there another way?23:35
LicuadoraIn synaptic I cant re install them23:35
WebDawgubuntu 1025423:36
ubottuUbuntu bug 10254 in Ubuntu "please create grepmap-udeb" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1025423:36
WebDawgwow23:36
WebDawgThats kinda cool.23:36
LicuadoraI even try to install a driverdetective.exe to see if it could find a driver for my sys... but failed23:36
penguin42WebDawg: Normally we do   bug .....  and it does that, I don't think we realised it did it for Ubuntu .....23:36
WebDawgNow you know.23:37
penguin42Licuadora: OK, hang on, what's your actual problem23:37
TheLimeRunnerHmm23:37
Licuadorano sound23:37
WebDawgSee.  I solve problems everywhere I go.23:37
TheLimeRunnerI am going to try a reinstall of 10.1023:37
TheLimeRunnerSince I had some network issues as well.23:37
WebDawgTheLimeRunner, why?23:37
yofelWebDawg: the bot triggers on many things, usually 'bug <number>' is fine, as we now know, ubuntu <num> works too ('lp <num>' works too btw.)23:37
penguin42Licuadora: OK, can you pastebin /proc/asoung/cards23:37
TheLimeRunnerWebDawg I've had graphics issues and network issues.23:37
penguin42Licuadora: /proc/asound/cards even23:37
Licuadorapenguin; Wait, do I type that on the terminal?23:37
penguin42Licuadora: Install the pastebinit package23:38
LicuadoraI dont have a sound acrd, I want to make the built on sound23:38
penguin42Licuadora: and do  pastebinit < /proc/asound/cards      don't worry, inbuilt are treated just like cards from that23:38
Licuadora--- no soundcards ---23:39
LicuadoraThats whats in there23:39
penguin42Licuadora: Hmm, ok, try   lspci | pastebinit23:39
penguin42we should be able to spot the pci device23:40
Licuadoraroot@djiin:~# lspci |pastebinit23:41
Licuadorahttp://pastebin.com/p48vGAdr23:41
penguin42Licuadora: That's Intel audio, you shouldn't need to build anything for that surely23:42
TheLimeRunnerIntel audio works out of the box.23:42
LicuadoraWell, for some reason I do not have any sound23:42
TheLimeRunnerUsusally.23:42
TheLimeRunnerUnless it's BRAND new.23:42
penguin42Licuadora: Hmm OK, has anything else odd been done to your system ?23:42
penguin42Licuadora: Are you running the standard kernel?23:42
Licuadorawell, I had a sound card, but uninstall it to install a WIFI card23:43
LicuadoraI belive is the standard, since I upgraded to 10.1023:43
LicuadoraAnd since then, I have no sound23:43
penguin42Licuadora: Hmm, so you used to have a separate sound card, and took that out to fall back to the onboard one23:43
TheLimeRunnerYou probably need to switch devices.23:44
LicuadoraI do not know how23:44
penguin42TheLimeRunner: The fact his /proc/asound/cards is empty is very odd though23:44
TheLimeRunnerOh.23:44
TheLimeRunner0_023:44
TheLimeRunnerThat's when I'd reinstall.23:44
TheLimeRunnerhaha23:44
Licuadorapenguin42: Is there a way to fill it with some code?23:44
TheLimeRunnerThat's my favorite thing about linux23:45
TheLimeRunnerBreak something, so easy to reinstall the OS.23:45
LicuadoraNope, I reinstalled 10.04 and still had no sound23:45
LicuadoraNot even eth0 works23:45
penguin42Licuadora: Hmm, I'm not really a sound person; can you do lsmod | grep hda and tell me if there are any matches?23:46
LicuadoraHere is the strange thing: In an Ubuntu 8.04 LiveCD eth0 worked, but not in 10.04, and still not in 10.1023:46
Licuadoraroot@djiin:~# lsmod | grep hda23:47
Licuadoraroot@djiin:~#23:47
penguin42Licuadora: It's a bit odd, your machine isn't unusual; what does uname -a  say?23:47
LicuadoraLinux djiin 2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Sun Sep 19 20:32:27 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux23:47
krabadorhi, flashplugin-nonfree give me some problem, i can't install adobe-flashplugin23:47
yofelkrabador: are you using 64bit?23:48
krabadoryofel, 32bit23:48
yofelodd, you should be able to install adobe-flashplugin then23:49
penguin42Licuadora: OK, can you get the output of dmesg to pastebin23:49
krabadoryofel, uni/multiverse repos, "apt-get install adobe-flashplugin" give me "not found"23:50
yofelkrabador: it's in partner23:50
Licuadorapenguin42: http://pastebin.com/fL12bxqh23:53
step21yofel, also flash works on 64 bit now as well. otherwise why did it work ootb for me?23:54
step21or if you opt not to install it at first it is available to install in software center23:55
yofelstep21: flashplugin-installer downloads the 32bit flash and uses nspluginwrapper to get it to run on 64bit23:55
step21yofel, okay, but it still works.23:55
penguin42Licuadora: Nothing too odd in there I don't think; can you try   sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel23:56
yofelwell, yeah, but it crashed periodically here, now I'm using the 64bit flash beta, which works fine23:56
penguin42yofel: I thought that was out of beta?23:56
yofelit was? I'll check23:56
Licuadoraroot@djiin:~# sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel23:57
Licuadoraroot@djiin:~#23:57
penguin42Licuadora: OK, has anything appeared in /proc/asound/cards ? does lsmod|grep hda show anything?23:57
LicuadoraWhy doesent anybody writes something that go and search for missing drivers?23:57
step21yofel, I thouhgt that as well. but I didn't check23:58
yofelpenguin42: it still says 'preview release' on the adobe page23:58
penguin42Licuadora: It shouldn't need to - that should happen by magic23:58
Licuadorahttp://pastebin.com/EtsHwRaH23:59
Licuadorapenguin42: please, review23:59

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