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doctormoHeh XKCD t-shirt on QI this week :-)06:02
paultagjussi, are you here, perchance?06:07
paultagjussi, I could use an IRC Council Member, right quick06:07
paultagI know nhandler is asleep06:08
paultagGrr. Well, jussi, nhandler -- #ubuntu-california is having trouble with their IRC logs being public ( as seen in their /topic: PLEASE NOTE: contrary to prior policy, logs of this channel will soon be kept and made available publically and permanently. ) -- can one of you set them straight?06:10
kim0morning o/08:06
dpmgood morning everyone!08:06
dpmhey kim0 :)08:06
kim0dpm: howdy :)08:08
dpmonly 6 days to release!08:09
dpm\o/08:09
kim0indeed yaay08:10
czajkowskialoha08:31
dpmmorning czajkowski08:33
dpmhey czajkowski, when do you start your new job? Or have you already?08:34
czajkowskinovemmber when I come back from UDS08:35
czajkowskiI move over to the UK then08:35
dpmwow08:36
dpmanyway, congrats!08:36
czajkowskithanks08:36
czajkowskilooking forward to it08:36
dpm:)08:37
jussipaultag: 2 things. first, you dont have a logbot, therefore you dont have public logs. :)08:38
czajkowskijussi: oh you missed the all out crazyness08:39
czajkowskijussi: let me invite you to the channel08:39
czajkowski*sigh*I went to bed at 4am and woke up to crazy shite08:39
czajkowskigrrrrrrr08:39
jussipaultag: second, #ubuntu-california should be #ubuntu-us-ca (as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming )- perhaps consider forwarding to this.08:40
dholbachgood morning08:40
czajkowskijussi: that is the least of our problems with that team08:40
dpmmorning dholbach!08:40
czajkowskidholbach: aloha08:40
jussiczajkowski: no reason why we shouldnt fix it though :)08:40
dholbachhey dpm, hey czajkowski08:41
czajkowskijussi: I'd rather se some of the other stuff done first08:42
czajkowskithey're recluctant to change08:42
dholbachhola randa10:03
randahi dholbach10:03
nigelbmorning folks10:03
duanedesignmorning all11:23
AlanBellanyone running lucid with an american keyboard layout?11:40
popeyheh11:40
popeyI know where this is going11:40
AlanBellindeed :)11:40
* popey pokes jcastro with a stick11:40
jussinot I says the jussi11:43
jussioh and Hai AlanBell!11:43
popeyactually, jussi you might be useful11:43
popeyyou using KDE and a .fi kb layout?11:43
jussioh dear11:43
jussiyes11:43
popeydo you have a combined PrtSc and SysRq key on your keyboard?11:43
jussiyes11:43
popeygreat!11:43
duanedesignhey jussi. get your netbook image downloaded?11:43
jussiduanedesign: no11:44
popeywhat does KDE do if you just press PrtSc on its own?11:44
jussipopey: brings up ksnapshot11:44
popeygreat!11:44
popeylast question..11:44
popeyWhat does ALT+PrScr do?11:44
popey(lies about last question)11:44
AlanBelljussi: this on Lucid?11:45
jussialt+prtscr = nothing, altgr + prtscr = ksnapshot. yes, lucid11:45
popeyin the maze of kde config screens is there an option to set that (stupid question, of course there is)11:45
popey?11:45
jussimaze? lol, but yes, Im sure there is... let me look11:46
popeyTime passes..11:46
popeyYou have been eaten by a cashew!11:47
jussiyep11:47
jussithere is, I was going to get a scrreenie, but you got impatient11:47
popeywhen you do altgr + prtscr do you get a full desktop screenshot?11:47
popeyor just a window?11:47
jussifull desktop11:48
popeyok, thanks11:48
popeyend of test11:48
popeyYou have passed!11:48
jussiwait a sec11:48
popeyCongratulations, you are a KDE user.11:48
jussi1 more peice of useful info11:48
AlanBellstill want alt+prtscr on an American Gnome Lucid11:48
jussiIm using the backported packages with same kde as maverick11:49
popeyAlanBell: live cd?11:49
popeyah11:49
AlanBellpopey: this is going to end up being "it works on Windows . . ."11:49
popeyit worked for years on gnome too11:49
popeyonly now I stupidly filed a bug about it, is it going to get broken11:49
AlanBellindeed11:49
jussiwhat is "it"?11:49
popeybug 64279211:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 642792 in metacity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "ALT+PrtSc not recognised: breaks built-in screenshot function (affects: 10) (dups: 2) (heat: 64)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64279211:50
AlanBellalt+prtscr *always* did a screen capture of the currenly active window11:50
AlanBelldoes it on windows and works exactly the same on Ubuntu11:50
AlanBellin Maverick it got broken11:51
AlanBell"If Alt+PrintScreen triggers a screenshot, that's indeed a bug." is the last comment on the bug11:52
jussihehe11:53
jussiI just tried to make a shortcut to do it, got: "The key you just pressed is not supported by Qt" - perhaps its got to do with reisub ?11:53
AlanBellwell yes, but it always used to work12:01
jussiAlanBell: popey. ok. let me know if you need me to test something else12:04
popeythanks!12:04
jussipopey: jfyi, Im currently working on that wbchat bug - looking at a way of doing it without the second channel.13:22
jussiMakes it hugely more user friendly.13:23
jussipopey: BTW, did you actually file the bug?13:23
popeyjussi: no!13:44
czajkowskipopey: has a very long to do list13:45
popeyi cant even remember what the bug was now13:45
popeyoh, i got dumped in the proxy channel with odd instructins wasnt it?13:45
czajkowskireally wish linkedin requests fro ubuntu folks came with a irc nick13:48
czajkowskiotherwise I've no flipping idea who they are :(13:48
jussipopey: yeah that one. Im on it in anycase13:53
popeycool13:53
popeyczajkowski: i generally reject most linkedin requests from ubuntu people because I haven't worked with them13:54
czajkowskismart13:54
jussipopey: me also13:54
* popey farts on webupd8.org14:00
popeythe people who run that are clearly imbeciles14:00
popeyhttp://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1010-maverick.html  is mental14:00
czajkowskigrin14:01
popeyseriously14:01
czajkowskioh I don't doubt you, I am grinning at the way you sum it up so perfectly14:02
popeyit recommands a search/replace of sources.list, then a dist-upgrade, _then_ (for good measure) an update-manager -d14:02
popeycrackpots, utter crackpots14:02
czajkowskiand someone will read that14:02
czajkowskiand think it's true14:02
jcastropopey: looking for me?14:02
popeyuhm, ooh, yes!14:03
popeyjcastro: do you have a USA layout keyboard, running Ubuntu 10.04 perchance?14:03
vishhrm, whats that smell!14:05
popeyPrunes!14:06
paultagjussi, can you please say that to them?14:07
paultagjussi, those are the two things czajkowski and I ( and the loco council ) are trying to change14:07
czajkowskipaultag: invite jussi to channel14:08
paultagczajkowski, yes ma'am :)14:08
jcastropopey: not handy14:09
jcastroupstairs I do14:09
vishpopey: USA layout here..14:10
popeyvish: 10.04?14:11
popeyjcastro: its a very quick and easy test14:11
vishpopey: oh gah! missed that part :s  nope 10.1014:11
popeybasically can someone running 10.04 with USA keyboard layout please check that their PrtScrn key is also their SysRq key, and _if_ it is, logon to 10.04 GNOME based Ubuntu and press Alt+PrtScrn and tell us what happens.14:12
nigelbhrm, no sysRq on this keyboard14:12
popeynigelb: USA Keyboard layout?14:12
nigelbbut al+Prnt screen gives me screenshot :p14:12
vishpopey: it used to work on 10.04 i know for sure, since i used it :)14:12
nigelbpopey: supposed to be14:12
popeynigelb: 10.04?14:12
nigelbyup!14:12
popeyGreat!14:13
popeyso it's not specific to GB keyboard layout14:13
popeybug 64279214:13
ubot2Launchpad bug 642792 in metacity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "ALT+PrtSc not recognised: breaks built-in screenshot function (affects: 13) (dups: 2) (heat: 78)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64279214:13
nigelb\o/14:13
popeyah, one minute14:13
popeynigelb: do you get a full desktop screenshot or window?14:14
nigelbWindow14:14
popeyWIN!14:14
vishoh! i have the earlier lucid kernel too..14:14
nigelbI just installed chromium.  It feels dirty and *too much* space!14:14
popeyif you woudln't mind leaving a comment that you're on 10.04, USA keyboard layout and Alt+PrScr does indeed take a screenshot, so this is not limited to GB keyboard layout as suggested by martin pitt in comment #1614:14
nigelbwill do :)14:14
duanedesignpopey: i remember nhandler complaining of this bug the other day14:15
vishdoctormo: not cool!14:15
AlanBellexcellent, I feared that alt+prtscr was going to be a regression for en_GB only14:17
nigelbwait, isn't it?14:17
nigelbI mean, it works okay on usa keyboards (as it just did for me)14:17
nigelbpopey: ^^14:17
AlanBellyeah, works on GB keyboards in *lucid*14:17
nigelboh, not in mav?14:17
nigelbAh!14:18
AlanBellbroken in maverick14:18
popeyfeel free to test in maverick :)14:18
vishnigelb: maverick bug14:18
* nigelb comments14:18
nigelbok, so I have to say it was tested in lucid14:18
* nigelb clisks14:18
nigelb*clicks* GOSH14:18
nigelbpopey: done14:18
* JFo gives nigelb some coffee14:19
vishnigelb: yea you say that and i say.. it doesnt work for me on USA layout on maverick ;)14:19
nigelbvish: win! :)14:19
JFosad part is, from the kernel side, it is behaving as we expect14:19
vishnigelb: we need to tag team to rustle JFo into giving us a win ;p14:19
JFo:-/14:19
* nigelb hugs JFo 14:19
* JFo hugs nige14:19
JFosigh14:20
nigelbvish: weren't you planning on locking JFo in a room till he fixed your kernel14:20
JFotab fail14:20
* nigelb hads JFo half the coffee :p14:20
JFolol14:20
JFothx :-)14:20
nigelblooks like you need it more than me14:20
* nigelb is just fidgety at end of day14:20
nigelbalso, rain experiment success today14:21
nigelbI wore shoes and it rains.  Sigh.14:21
AlanBellargh, it was a totally intentional breakage (or fixage depending on point of view) in the kernel14:27
AlanBellwe have been using a leaking scancode14:27
nigelbJFo: ^^ so that's what behaving as we expect means :D14:28
AlanBellhttp://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=commitdiff;h=97f5f0cd8cd0a05449cbb77d1e6f02e02687580214:28
AlanBellas per the comments on the git commit14:28
nigelbRight.  Now we know.14:28
nigelb:/14:29
nigelbDo you have proof (or a patch) which would actually identify this as a14:29
nigelbkernel change? That would be helpful to actually understand what's14:29
nigelbgoing on here.14:29
nigelbNOW WE DO! :p14:29
AlanBellwhat harm were the leaky sysrq scancodes doing!14:30
nigelblol14:30
popeya bad analogy is like a leaky scancode14:32
nigelbhahaha14:33
JFoAlanBell, no, we expect something else to trap Alt-PrtScr14:33
JFowhat we look for is SysRq14:33
JFobut that is normally a Fn-SysRq14:34
JFoat least that is what I am told14:34
nigelbexactly!14:34
JFoshrug*14:34
popeywell, might be on laptops14:34
popeynot on desktops14:34
JFoyes, but we expect them to come different ways14:34
AlanBellI always thought ctrl+alt+prtscr was sysrq14:34
JFoit won't always be Alt for example14:34
JFoAlanBell, not always14:35
popeyahh14:35
* JFo digs for some reference...14:35
AlanBellJFo: is there a reason from the kernel point of view that alt+prtscr shouldn't be passed through to userspace?14:36
JFoyes, kernel doesn't handle printscreen to my knowledge... again, we are relying on my memory of what was discussed about this bug the other day :)14:37
JFoand I had a massive headache at the time14:37
JFobut if I remember14:37
JFothere isn't really a reason for us to look for it14:37
JFoas printscreen is a userspace (usually) command14:38
JFobut I could just be misrepresenting what was said14:38
JFoso don't take me as definitive14:38
AlanBellwas it discussed in -kernel?14:38
* JFo continues digging for the reference14:38
JFoAlanBell, I believe so, yes14:39
AlanBellany idea what day?14:39
JFowould have been last week right popey?14:39
JFohmmm, not sure. My headache lasted from Wednesday to Sunday14:39
popey:)14:39
JFoso things are a blur14:39
popeyyeah14:39
AlanBellhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/21/%23ubuntu-kernel.html#t18:5414:40
AlanBellhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/29/%23ubuntu-kernel.html#t14:2714:41
AlanBellactual discussion14:41
nigelbAlanBell: poke? could you provide a bit of moderator assistance with something?14:41
AlanBellpossibly14:42
* nigelb pms14:42
JFoyep, told you I was probably misrepresenting the conversation :)14:42
JFoso now that I read that, I rememer14:42
JForemember*14:43
* popey hugs jcastro 14:43
jcastrojaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy ffffffffffoooooooooooooooooo14:43
* JFo hides14:43
jcastroI saw a guy on TV that looks like jfo14:43
JFohah, really?14:43
jcastroand I was like "man, JFo"14:43
jcastroyeah14:43
JForuggedly handsome... nice hair14:44
JFofat14:44
jcastroever watch deadwood?14:44
JFojust sayin'14:44
JFojcastro, yep14:44
jcastrothe bouncer on deadwood14:44
JFoAl Swearingen is my hero ;-)14:44
popeyJFo: dude, you're not fat!14:44
popeyyou're "festively plump"14:44
JFoah, yeah! I remember him14:44
jcastrohaha yeah, I haven't seen it in a while, I watched the first part of one14:44
JFopopey, I'm right jolly14:44
popeysomeone uploaded a video of me filmed in 16:9 then accidentially squashed to 4:3. It makes me look much thinner.14:45
jcastrohahaha14:45
JFooooh, now there's an idea14:45
* JFo has all of his 'historical footage' changed14:45
popeyanyone here use gwibber?14:48
czajkowskiyes14:50
czajkowskime14:50
* popey adds czajkowski to his list14:50
* akgraner <3's gwibber14:51
JFoakgraner == crackhead14:51
czajkowskipopey: is this a good list or a bad list...14:51
akgranerJFo, :-P14:52
JFo:)14:52
* JFo tests out his Lil Jon loops14:52
akgranerJFo, I hate you!!!14:52
JFodude, these are cool14:53
akgraner(but in the best way possible!)14:53
JFoWHAT?!14:53
JFoYEAH!!14:53
akgranerJust when I thought that stupid song would be forgotten Pete set is as his ring tone14:53
JFohahahahahaha14:53
JFothat is awesome14:53
akgranerno it's not14:53
JFoI just bought 68 Lil Jon vocal samples14:54
JFoI can make any song a Lil Jon remix14:54
* akgraner rolls my eyes14:54
nigelbakgraner: heh14:59
AlanBellon my laptop fn+prtscr doesn't do sysrq15:03
AlanBellit just picks it up as prtscr and does a full screen screenshot15:03
highvoltageAlanBell: :(15:04
akgranerczajkowski, I was editing the wiki when you saved it - did it not tell you I was in it - the UDS-N one?15:12
czajkowskinope15:12
akgranergrrrrr15:12
czajkowskiperhaps you were editing it when I was :)15:13
akgranerIt didn't tell me anyone was in it either15:13
Pendulummaybe you both hit edit at the same time?15:13
akgranerno worries - just was wondering  - I'm in there now15:14
JFoyou both suck equally15:14
JFo:-D15:14
JFojust sayin'15:14
* nigelb ^ 5 JFo 15:14
czajkowskiJFo: I will smack you :)15:16
JFoI ain't skeered15:17
nigelbthat is one fight I'd like to see :p15:17
nigelbczajkowski vs JFo :p15:17
* JFo wins because I would cry15:17
czajkowskilol15:17
JFo:)15:17
nigelbshe might smash you to pulp too :D15:18
JFo:-(15:18
czajkowskinigelb: oi oi I'm not that violent15:18
* nigelb notes the *that* modifier :p15:18
dholbachjames_w, thanks15:18
nigelbLOL15:18
czajkowskiplus JFo doesn't fill my ibox up with emails15:18
czajkowskialways a bonus15:18
james_wdholbach: np15:18
nigelbczajkowski: valid point indeed.15:18
JFothat is because you aren't subscribed to kernel bugs15:18
JFootherwise I'd be dead already15:19
czajkowskiand clearly Ted gould isn't up yet my inbox hasn't been hammered by him today15:19
dholbachhey jono, hey jcastro15:21
jcastrohi dholbach15:22
jcastrook, can I get a hand finding people for openweek?15:23
akgranerjcastro, there are still 10 slots open for open week -15:23
jcastropeople are being lame15:23
jcastroyes, I was just going to bring that up.15:23
jcastrolet me reping devel15:23
akgranerI haven't back form the managers I sent the email to last week15:23
jcastrowell15:24
jcastroI was hoping for more non-developer participation15:24
akgranerI know but I thought that could volunteer someone from their teams for QA's if nothing else15:25
nigelbakgraner: lets give it a more thorough look15:25
nigelbI'm sure we can bag more people15:25
nigelbwork has finally released that rope they had around my neck15:25
jcastroI will send a plea to the lists now.15:25
jcastrothen I will kill people15:26
jcastro(with love I mean)15:26
nigelbright, we know.15:26
akgranerjcastro, hehe15:26
duanedesignjcastro: i am trying to settle on a topic. would a session on screencast and the screencast team be appropriate?15:28
nigelbduanedesign: You can start off on how to use it, and then say how people can help15:28
Technovikingjcastro: Supermirco has (or use to) a home raid enclousure with 5 drive bays and a mini ATX motherboard with Linux supported raid15:29
jcastroduanedesign: that would be awesome15:29
jcastrojust a general "how to do screencasts"15:29
Technovikingjcastro: can't remember the model off the top of my head15:29
duanedesignnigelb: jcastro sounds good15:30
Technovikingjcastro: But I would just buy a drobo, unless you want to build one, the drobo is not as Linux friendly, but is more spouce safe if it has problems15:31
* popey stabs his drobo15:31
popeyfrequently15:31
jcastroI wanted to get a drobo15:31
popeydont15:31
jcastrobut they appear to be slow15:31
jcastroright15:31
popeythey are15:31
jcastroevery drobo owner is like "don't"15:31
popeythe _single_ thing that drobo has for it is that it automagically expands/contracts when disks are inserted15:31
popeyi have actually shrunk mine down by yanking one disk out at a time15:32
popeyits down to two x 500GB disks now15:32
jcastroto make it faster?15:32
popeynah, to make me use it less15:32
popeyi dont trust it15:32
jcastrohah15:32
jcastronice15:32
popeyand i wanted the 500G disks out of it15:33
JFoI have 4 2Tb disks in my desktop now15:35
TechnovikingHere is the Supermicro in the mini-tower http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/tower/5035/SYS-5035L-I.cfm, Can only handle four drive so only RAID 0,1,5 no 6 or 1015:35
akgranerjcastro, priceless - "the overwhelming goodness of the community" :-)15:38
jcastrowhat I really want to say is "why does everyone suck!"15:38
jcastrobut I put that part of my personality away, hahah15:38
jcastroj/k15:38
duanedesign:D15:38
JFonever hide who you are jcastro :)15:39
jcastroI feel like daniel today15:39
jcastroeither hugging something to death or being angry15:39
jcastro:p15:39
nigelbjcastro: dholbach syndrome?15:39
jcastrosymptoms include: desire to hug inanimate objects15:40
Technovikingpopey: been resisting the urge to say the some articles on omgubuntu can also be crackful and dangerous also :)15:40
popeyheh15:40
jcastrorandom vegetarianism15:40
* popey resists the urge to mention the forums ;)15:40
nigelbjcastro: and taking vactions to places starting with "I"15:40
Technovikingpopey: sorry, that horse is dead:)15:40
popeyheh15:40
* popey puts the elephant gun away15:41
jussijcastro: go hug a tree :D15:41
TechnovikingI have decided what make the forums great compared to the wiki or stackexchange is that Google (and the other search)  have an easy time index it15:42
TechnovikingI would really like to see the wiki or stackexchange show up higher (or it all) in Google searches15:44
jonokim0, can you give me a min, and then lets do the call?16:01
kim0jono: tyt16:01
czajkowskiTechnoviking: valid point16:05
jcastroTechnoviking: it will once the proper domain is in place, SE has sick google juice16:06
jcastrothough, 6 years vs. 60 days of indexed content16:07
Technovikingjcastro: the forum will probably have to restart with a new index after we upgrade to vB4.16:09
Technovikinganyone else getting a flood of messages from ubuntu-devel?16:09
jcastroTechnoviking: that would be good I think16:10
popeyyeah, approvals Technoviking16:10
popeysorry, moderated messages I mean16:10
jcastrosometimes I find an old thread in google that should be buried16:10
nigelbpopey: I love your reply to the ubuntu fonts ffe :)16:17
Technovikingwe will hopeful be adding an "Helpful Answer" plugin, to help rate forum posts in vB416:18
nigelband someday we'll put 301 redirect to stackexchange.16:19
* nigelb runs. Fast.16:19
nigelbj/k :)16:20
Technovikingnigelb: sigh16:20
* nigelb hugs Technoviking :)16:20
Technovikingnigelb: stackexchange is new and shiny, and a great tool, but don't throw away the forums just yet;)16:22
czajkowskijcastro: has it ever been brought up that having open week the week after release is just not a good time ? Many people are shattered after the previous few weeks of work and that is their unwind sleep week ?16:23
JFoheh, I seem to recall asking that same question16:23
nigelbTechnoviking: I was kidding.  I don't like either.16:23
akgranerczajkowski, yep several times16:23
jcastroczajkowski: we put it there on purpose to get the buzz for release16:23
nigelbbut open week isn't for developers16:23
jcastro^^^16:24
nigelbits more for newcomers16:24
paultaghey doctormo, wake up :)16:24
Pendulumnigelb: yeah, but it makes it harder to find people to teach16:24
nigelband the presentations are supposed to turn the release interest into contribution interest16:24
nigelb(that's how I started contributing to Ubuntu :D)16:24
paultagnigelb, OI! You started with the UBT and don't forget it16:24
czajkowskinigelb: true, but you neeed non newbiews to give the talks16:24
paultagBe back in a sec16:25
jcastroPendulum: we can't find contributors because people are being lazy, not because of the time. :p16:25
nigelbpaultag: yes, but to the wider community, after an UOW16:25
czajkowskijcastro: but how does that get buzz for the release? it happens after the release or am I being thick and missing something16:25
jcastrook lazy is a strong word16:25
akgranerSo what about "so you want to contribute - how to find your place in the community"16:25
paultagdoctormo, pop by ubuntustudio-devel, I'm talking with scott-work about the ubuntu studio website. I've just volunteered you16:25
paultagdoctormo, <116:25
paultag<3 *16:25
nigelbczajkowski: non newbies yes, and not necessarily devs either)16:25
paultagnigelb, brb :)16:25
jcastrothe idea is "ooh I got a shiny new OS, what can I do with it? Oh, a week of sessions? Awesome!"16:25
nigelbexactly!16:25
nigelbakgraner: good one!16:26
czajkowskijcastro: I think in the first week a newbie isn't going to be going onto IRC is my issue16:26
nigelbpaultag / duanedesign: somone should talk about bt16:26
czajkowskiat least that's how I see it16:26
Pendulumakgraner: I like it16:26
nigelbbut there are people who do16:26
czajkowskiI don't think open week hapening when it currently is is benefitting to the community.16:26
nigelbI've seen lots of people from my loco coming into UOW16:26
akgranerOk who wants to teach it?16:27
* nigelb suggests akgraner or jcastro :p16:27
* Pendulum suggests czajkowski 16:27
akgranerhighvoltage, don't you all want to do an Edubuntu one?16:27
jcastroyeah but we're /always/ running sessions16:28
jcastroI was hoping for other people to pile in16:28
jcastroget new blood, etc.16:28
akgranerczajkowski, you're doing the LoCo one right?16:28
PendulumI'd offer, but I'm not around most of the week :-/16:28
czajkowskiakgraner: I am but can do 2 if you need16:28
sensegood afternoon16:28
nigelbjcastro: ack, agreed16:28
czajkowskiakgraner: am free all next week when not showing pleia2 around Dublin16:29
* nigelb goes looking for new blood16:29
akgranercool16:29
czajkowskiakgraner: if you want slot me in for a thursday session16:29
nigelbjletbeter needs convincing, so anyone upto it, feel free to help her put something together :)16:29
akgranerczajkowski, ok - thanks :-)16:29
jcastroI have no doubt we could fill it up with people in this room in no time, but like, I want to give other people the chance to be awesome16:30
akgranerczajkowski, is today your birthday?16:30
JFojcastro, am I wrong in my thinking that UOW is supposed to be geared toward a "What's cool in the release" sort of deal?16:30
czajkowskiakgraner: yesterday16:30
czajkowski:)16:30
akgranerahh - I wasn't online yesterday - so happy belated birthday!!16:30
nigelbczajkowski: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! (BELATED)16:30
czajkowskiThanks  :)16:30
* nigelb demands photos of the party or the bottle :p16:31
jcastroJFo: it used to be more dev related, but I'm trying to make it more useful for end users16:31
akgranerJFo, that and now that you are a user here's how and where you can contribute16:31
jcastroso yeah, if you want to do "awesome new bling in your kernel" you can do that16:31
JFocool16:31
JFoI was making sure16:31
czajkowskijcastro: how about your mini triage summit16:31
czajkowskilike how to log a bug16:31
JFome brain don't want to remember things like it used to16:31
AlanBellif anyone uses wiki.ubuntu.com you might want to go to your user preferences and change the theme to "light"16:31
czajkowskias week 1 of any release there are gonna be bugs or issues and folks may need to report them16:31
nigelbJFo: "What to do when that $foo doesn't work on Ubuntu"16:32
AlanBellthen file bugs against it tagged with light-wiki https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs?field.tag=light-wiki16:32
AlanBellbecause on October 13th that theme is going live16:32
PendulumJFo: jcastro: I think there needs to be a session called "Awesome New Bling in your Kernel" ;-)16:32
czajkowskioh the loco council images are evil in light :(16:32
JFoPendulum, :)16:32
czajkowskiwe need some sort of image...16:32
jcastroPendulum: I know right!16:32
jcastroAlanBell: that looks great!16:33
jcastroI wish the wiki was faster. :(16:33
akgranerJFo, what day can I add you?16:33
JFothe team would want to call it, "Stuff we wish folks didn't know about yet" :-D16:33
AlanBellnew kernel, now with added sysrq awesomeness \o/16:33
JFoAlanBell, heh16:33
jcastro"we now have a direct SMS link from your sysrq key to JFo"16:33
JFogah!16:34
nigelblol16:34
* JFo bribes ogasawara to disable16:34
AlanBelljcastro: I am working on being allowed to help make the wiki faster16:34
jcastrodang, we'll have to redo our headers to match the new theme16:34
AlanBellfixed width wiki ftl in my opinion16:34
jcastrobut it looks ssoooooooooo nice16:34
jcastroI agree16:35
jcastrobut whatever16:35
jcastroanything is better than what we have now16:35
AlanBelland table borders are so last week it seems16:35
PendulumAlanBell: I agree about fixed width :-/16:36
AlanBellhttps://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-October/thread.html16:37
nigelbfixed widths are evil though pretty16:39
senseOMG! With that new theme we know have to redo all the table headers and backgrounds on the wiki! We should have had options to theme this using the wiki theme right from the start, this is going to be a lot of work!16:39
AlanBellsense: it has been there for quite some time16:40
czajkowskiaye16:40
AlanBellbut yes, there are issues with it, hence me asking for people to test it and file bugs, read the thread16:41
* sense reads the thread16:41
senseLets see what will happen after 13 October!16:43
jcastroman16:44
jcastrompt made my Monday16:44
jcastrois 16518 words long.16:44
jcastroEven the "Basic Packaging" section alone is longer than the US16:44
jcastroDeclaration of Independence, and the original US Constitution, combined16:44
AlanBellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek think that looks better without borders?16:44
senseAlanBell: Doesn't look too bad.16:46
senseIt looks clean and is still understandable.16:47
czajkowskiAlanBell: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/ in light theme16:51
akgranerno borders looks weird to me16:51
czajkowskiall or the borders are broken16:51
czajkowskilooks awful16:51
doctormoakgraner: Did you want someone to do a "How to make posters in inkscape" for open week?16:53
akgranerI did16:53
akgranerare you up for it?16:53
doctormoakgraner: yes16:53
akgranerwhat is a good time and day? - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek16:55
doctormoakgraner: I think Tues 16:00 UTC?16:57
akgranerok thanks!16:58
AlanBellczajkowski: yeah, got it, broken images17:01
AlanBellpretty rubbish images in the standard theme tbh17:02
czajkowskitrue17:03
czajkowskiwe need an image17:03
AlanBellhowever that one is important as it gets used for  {*} https://wiki.ubuntu.com/htdocs/ubuntu/img/star_on.png17:03
czajkowskibut I've no clue after that17:03
AlanBelldon't quite get the point of those attachment icons17:04
czajkowskiAlanBell: I think they were just copied in from elsewhere when it was created17:05
AlanBellaah, I see, they are missing attachments17:07
AlanBellfixed, kinda17:18
AlanBelland filed a bug for the circle of friends icon missin17:18
akgranerUGH - UWN doesn't look so good with the new theme17:18
akgraneris it just me or is it hard to read - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue21217:19
akgranerwhen does this them go live - the 12th?17:23
akgranertheme even17:23
AlanBell13th17:23
AlanBellunlucky for some17:23
jussiI get a nice kubuntu theme :D17:23
AlanBellthe kubuntu theme is OK and is somewhat resizeable even though it has a fixed maximum width17:30
dholbachbye everyone - see you tomorrow17:42
dholbachhave a great rest of your day17:42
AlanBellhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs?field.tag=light-wiki if anyone is in a bug confirming mood it would be nice if you could go through this lot17:46
czajkowskipleia2: you rock18:14
czajkowskioh no jono18:14
czajkowskihmm18:14
jussipopey: about?18:15
czajkowskihe's travelling home18:17
jussik18:18
czajkowskiAlanBell: in the light theme, where is the preferences gone ?18:18
highvoltageakgraner: for when would that be? my schedule is really packed for the foreseeable future, but since it's just an hour I could probably do it if nothing else happens at the same time that can't be moved out18:19
highvoltage(I hope that makes sense I have to leave now for an exam)18:20
dpmczajkowski, it's at the top, next to the "Ubuntu Wiki" link, at the same level as the Search box18:20
czajkowskidpm: ahhhhh where my name is18:21
czajkowskidpm: thank you18:21
popeyjussi: ya18:21
dpmyep (took me some time too :)18:21
czajkowskidpm: because under the default theme it says preferences...18:22
czajkowskiso that's confusing and annoying18:22
* czajkowski hugs dpm 18:22
* dpm hugs czajkowski :) 18:22
dpmIn general, I like the new theme, but I find a couple of things very difficult to get used to: bullet points + indents gone on lists, borders gone on tables, markup gone on {{{ }}} enclosed text18:23
czajkowskiboarders on tables is a big issue I find18:24
czajkowskimaking it really hard to read the pages.18:24
* popey hugs jussi 18:24
dpm*nod*18:24
* jussi hugs popey back and reminds him to thank ljl for his hard work actually implementing it18:24
AlanBellall the wiki issues are fixable, just a bit concerned about whether they will all end up as wontfix18:24
* dpm hugs akgraner :)18:55
akgranerdpm, thanks - I can't believe I forgot to post that...  DOH!18:56
dpmno worries, thanks for the great work on the interviews!18:57
jcastrohey dpm19:55
jcastroare we supposed to be making blueprints?19:55
jcastroI am confused on our track19:55
dpmjcastro, yes, I have an action from jono on our last call to start on the bp, but I haven't done it yet. I'll start tomorrow before our next call19:56
jcastroI am confused on what the bp's are supposed to be about19:56
jcastrois it situation normal and they just go in the project track?19:56
jcastroor are we supposed to participate in other tracks?19:57
dpmjcastro, oh, I see, we no longer have tracks but projects (or was it themes?) now, do we?19:57
dpmmy action was:19:57
czajkowskijcastro: dpm is jono about ?19:57
jcastrono he's on london time now19:58
dpm* Create blueprints for all the objectives and target them at uds-n.19:58
czajkowskijcastro: ahh ok thanks19:58
dpmjcastro, but I don't know anything about where to schedule the sessions for them19:59
jcastroyeah19:59
jcastrono worries19:59
jcastrook19:59
dpmk19:59
jcastrowe're certainly not naming the bp's "ubuntutheproject-n-blah"19:59
jcastroso I was thinking19:59
jcastroproject-n-foo19:59
dpmyeah, so the question is what $trackname in our old $trackname-n-$title naming scheme is now. I can ask jono in our call tomorrow, or I can ping him in the morning if he's about20:02
jcastroit will be a theme20:02
jcastroI sent a mail to -devel about it20:02
jcastroand yet20:04
jcastrofoundations is going20:04
jcastrofoundations-n-20:04
jcastrook whatever, let's do community-n20:04
senseBy the way, what happened to the Sound Theme contest? I thought there was supposed to be one for Maverick, I've even seen some entries!20:05
jcastrodunno20:06
senseWould be a bit painful if it was forgotten twice.20:06
czajkowskidpm: you're online late20:16
akgranercool I can put lines back under my sections in UWN :-)  whew20:16
dpmczajkowski, yeah, dealing with some "I-really-really-had-to-answer-this-e-mail-long-ago" mail :)20:17
jcastrodpm: we need some translation love for openweek20:17
senseTeach people about the native-English-speaker-privilege!20:18
dpmjcastro, in terms of more sessions, or translated sessions? I've added one, I can ask translators if they'd like to schedule some. If not, I'll add another one myself20:19
jcastrodpm: sure, whatever you think is best20:21
jcastroI wouldn't worry about the translated sessions, those seem to happen on their own20:22
jcastrodpm: are we still doomed wrt. chromium translations?20:22
dpmjcastro, ok, added another translations session: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Timetable20:25
dpmjcastro: wrt chromium translations we are a little less doomed, but it still does not change the fact that translations cannot be included in language packs. fta has been doing some rocking work in making chromium translatable in LP, and upstream might even consider using that (for chromium, not for chrome).20:25
dpm   https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations20:25
dpmThe problem is that chromium use their own format for translations, and LP supports only gettext20:26
jcastrowhy would someone invent their own?20:26
jcastroyou know what, don't answer that20:26
jcastroI know better20:26
jcastroheh20:26
paultagplatform independent...20:26
paultagoh wait20:26
paultag:P20:26
dpmI know, I know...20:27
jcastrowhat we need is to rewrite init20:27
paultagjcastro, don't say that too loud20:27
doctormoI've never seen such depth of discussion in the mailing lists about the UDS tracks before.20:34
* vish pokes doctormo , one last attempt.. ;p20:36
vishdoctormo: let me view your site..! :-D20:36
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vishgah.. they should have the discussion on -devel instead of all the moderation lags o.020:37
vishi mean, devel-discuss!20:38
jcastrovish: we'd likely get demolished with noise20:40
vishheh.. ;)20:40
vishjcastro: i think you are happy since you are whitelisted now! ;p20:41
jcastroI only post on that list when I have to20:41
jcastroI'm basically finished now20:41
jcastroexcept for my announcement on plenaries coming up20:42
vishseems the weekend lags might be the major ones, mods seem quite fast at it during workdays..20:43
doctormovish: which site?20:59
vishdoctormo: doctormo.org .. i dont know what else you have stashed .. ;)20:59
doctormojcastro: Were you in charge of the free culture showcase prior to the design team?21:02
jcastroyes21:05
vish\o/21:06
* vish was right!21:06
doctormojcastro: Do you have a list of people who helped you and were contacts for various parts or was it all hands on?21:07
jcastrothere was a wiki page21:08
jcastroand people added what they wanted21:08
jcastrothen the judges decided and made a short list for the CC to decide upon21:08
doctormojcastro: OK so it never included flickr before?21:10
senseI'm off, sleep well everyone! :)21:10
jcastrodoctormo: no that was the wallpaper contest21:13
doctormojcastro: Was that the wallpaper contest this time too?21:13
jcastroyes21:13
doctormojcastro: from this cycle it looks like http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/ was used for photographic entries to the showcase.21:15
jcastrothey've always done that21:15
doctormoWas there some cross between the free culture showcase and the wallpaper context?21:15
jcastrothe FCS was an audio and video version of the wallpaper thing basically21:16
jcastrothey used other sites though21:16
jcastroit's in the bp21:16
vishhttp://design.canonical.com/2010/06/art-in-the-open/21:16
vishhttp://design.canonical.com/2010/08/ubuntu-needs-a-new-sound-theme/21:17
jcastrohttps://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-wallpaper-competition21:17
vishthere are a few issues here, mainly is the lack of communication.. again ;)21:18
jcastrowhat's the issue?21:19
vishseems doctormo is trying to make the FCS and related more streamlined..21:20
doctormojcastro: The wiki page for the free culture showcase made it seem like the wallpapers, video and audio were all in the same boat. Same competition etc.21:21
vish Bug #64325021:21
ubot2Launchpad bug 643250 in ubuntu-community "Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase Coimmunication problem (affects: 1) (heat: 9)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64325021:21
jcastroI thought they were, audio on soundcloud, video on vimeo, and the usual flickr one right?21:21
doctormoThis perhaps explains why the flickr results went off to the wallpaper package, the video and audio went off to the fcs and the deviantArt results got left in the lurch.21:21
jcastroI didn't know there was a deviant art thing21:22
vishjcastro: the deviant-art was for FCS21:22
vishflickr for wallpaper21:23
jcastroI don't recall that from the session?21:23
doctormohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase <- see illustrative wallpaper.21:23
jcastroI see that now21:23
jcastrohow did that get missed until now? they put the winners in like weeks ago didn't they?21:24
vish yeah, two FCS items were updated but nothing seems to have been officially announced..21:24
vishdoctormo: Michael worked on the sound one.. , the video ,i guess, had no other choices ;p21:25
jcastrolikely it was on ken's plate but he left the company21:25
doctormojcastro: I never knew it was separated out or that this new organisation wasn't more well known. :-/21:26
jcastro? It was in the session?21:26
vishyup..21:27
vishit was mostly ken's absence which hurt FCS this time..21:27
jcastroyeah21:27
doctormoThe deviantArt -> ubuntu-artists group was ad-hoc, I can't say if the original plan included deviantArt, Ian made a new group and I moved in to suggest reducing duplication and took over that part of things from there.21:27
jcastrowe were behind on the wallpaper rotation thing too from the session, but other-ken bailed  us out on that one21:27
jcastrohttps://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-wallpaper-competition21:28
jcastrothere's a deviant art link in the spec21:28
jcastrobut it appears to be different21:28
jcastro - sound theme will run a separate timeline21:29
doctormoYes, that's the duplicate group.21:29
jcastro^^^ that seems to be the biggest problem21:29
vishjcastro: yea, doctormo merged it into his group21:29
vishthe deviant art grp21:29
doctormo500 members almost ^-^21:29
doctormohttp://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com/gallery/2566768321:32
doctormojcastro and vish: thanks for your info, I have a much clearer idea of what happened and why it failed to go right.21:34
jcastroit failed because the person responsible went away21:34
vishhehe!21:34
jcastrois my conclusion21:34
jcastrobecause we talked about all this at the session21:34
jcastroand it was "going to be awesome"21:34
jcastrovish: did we talk about an illustrative wallpaper?21:40
jcastroI don't remember that at all21:40
vishwell very briefly, it was mostly to be based on those themes..21:41
vishbut the idea kept dripting away since we were having too much fun in the session ;p21:41
jcastroI admit, I had one goal, get the FCS off our plate.21:43
jcastrothough I wasn't expecting the plate to get dropped at the end21:43
vish we were playing pass the ball, but the person having the ball dropped it and left ;p21:44
jcastroyes21:45
jcastrobeing clear that we passed the ball and he was in possession for quite some time21:45
jcastroso like, it was a totally great pass and reception21:45
akgranerdpm, Ubuntu Brazilian Portuguese Translation Team Interview sent..21:51
dpmakgraner, awesome, thanks!21:51
jcastrohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek_ES/21:55
jcastroYEAH!21:55
akgranersweet!21:57
AlanBellpopey: do you have a key with pause and break on it?22:34
popeynot on this particular machine22:37
popeypause is on F1222:37
czajkowskiAlanBell: I do22:38
AlanBellI do22:38
czajkowskiis right beside my PRTSC SYSRQ22:38
AlanBellif I want to press pause I just press the button22:38
AlanBellif I want to press break I do ctrl+break22:38
AlanBellnot alt+break22:38
AlanBellthus to press alt+sysrq I would do ctrl+(prtscr/sysrq key)+alt22:39
AlanBellI am a bit puzzled by reports from kernel people that they have been pressing alt+that key to get sysrq for the last 15 years22:41
czajkowskinn folks22:42
AlanBellhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Magic_commands22:42
AlanBellnn czajkowski22:43
popeyi have pasted that url and indeed the bit about gnome in the bug report22:44
AlanBellso you have22:45

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