[06:02] Heh XKCD t-shirt on QI this week :-) [06:07] jussi, are you here, perchance? [06:07] jussi, I could use an IRC Council Member, right quick [06:08] I know nhandler is asleep [06:10] Grr. Well, jussi, nhandler -- #ubuntu-california is having trouble with their IRC logs being public ( as seen in their /topic: PLEASE NOTE: contrary to prior policy, logs of this channel will soon be kept and made available publically and permanently. ) -- can one of you set them straight? [08:06] morning o/ [08:06] good morning everyone! [08:06] hey kim0 :) [08:08] dpm: howdy :) [08:09] only 6 days to release! [08:09] \o/ [08:10] indeed yaay [08:31] aloha [08:33] morning czajkowski [08:34] hey czajkowski, when do you start your new job? Or have you already? [08:35] novemmber when I come back from UDS [08:35] I move over to the UK then [08:36] wow [08:36] anyway, congrats! [08:36] thanks [08:36] looking forward to it [08:37] :) [08:38] paultag: 2 things. first, you dont have a logbot, therefore you dont have public logs. :) [08:39] jussi: oh you missed the all out crazyness [08:39] jussi: let me invite you to the channel [08:39] *sigh*I went to bed at 4am and woke up to crazy shite [08:39] grrrrrrr [08:40] paultag: second, #ubuntu-california should be #ubuntu-us-ca (as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming )- perhaps consider forwarding to this. [08:40] good morning [08:40] jussi: that is the least of our problems with that team [08:40] morning dholbach! [08:40] dholbach: aloha [08:40] czajkowski: no reason why we shouldnt fix it though :) [08:41] hey dpm, hey czajkowski [08:42] jussi: I'd rather se some of the other stuff done first [08:42] they're recluctant to change [10:03] hola randa [10:03] hi dholbach [10:03] morning folks [11:23] morning all [11:40] anyone running lucid with an american keyboard layout? [11:40] heh [11:40] I know where this is going [11:40] indeed :) [11:40] * popey pokes jcastro with a stick [11:43] not I says the jussi [11:43] oh and Hai AlanBell! [11:43] actually, jussi you might be useful [11:43] you using KDE and a .fi kb layout? [11:43] oh dear [11:43] yes [11:43] do you have a combined PrtSc and SysRq key on your keyboard? [11:43] yes [11:43] great! [11:43] hey jussi. get your netbook image downloaded? [11:44] duanedesign: no [11:44] what does KDE do if you just press PrtSc on its own? [11:44] popey: brings up ksnapshot [11:44] great! [11:44] last question.. [11:44] What does ALT+PrScr do? [11:44] (lies about last question) [11:45] jussi: this on Lucid? [11:45] alt+prtscr = nothing, altgr + prtscr = ksnapshot. yes, lucid [11:45] in the maze of kde config screens is there an option to set that (stupid question, of course there is) [11:45] ? [11:46] maze? lol, but yes, Im sure there is... let me look [11:46] Time passes.. [11:47] You have been eaten by a cashew! [11:47] yep [11:47] there is, I was going to get a scrreenie, but you got impatient [11:47] when you do altgr + prtscr do you get a full desktop screenshot? [11:47] or just a window? [11:48] full desktop [11:48] ok, thanks [11:48] end of test [11:48] You have passed! [11:48] wait a sec [11:48] Congratulations, you are a KDE user. [11:48] 1 more peice of useful info [11:48] still want alt+prtscr on an American Gnome Lucid [11:49] Im using the backported packages with same kde as maverick [11:49] AlanBell: live cd? [11:49] ah [11:49] popey: this is going to end up being "it works on Windows . . ." [11:49] it worked for years on gnome too [11:49] only now I stupidly filed a bug about it, is it going to get broken [11:49] indeed [11:49] what is "it"? [11:50] bug 642792 [11:50] Launchpad bug 642792 in metacity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "ALT+PrtSc not recognised: breaks built-in screenshot function (affects: 10) (dups: 2) (heat: 64)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/642792 [11:50] alt+prtscr *always* did a screen capture of the currenly active window [11:50] does it on windows and works exactly the same on Ubuntu [11:51] in Maverick it got broken [11:52] "If Alt+PrintScreen triggers a screenshot, that's indeed a bug." is the last comment on the bug [11:53] hehe [11:53] I just tried to make a shortcut to do it, got: "The key you just pressed is not supported by Qt" - perhaps its got to do with reisub ? [12:01] well yes, but it always used to work [12:04] AlanBell: popey. ok. let me know if you need me to test something else [12:04] thanks! [13:22] popey: jfyi, Im currently working on that wbchat bug - looking at a way of doing it without the second channel. [13:23] Makes it hugely more user friendly. [13:23] popey: BTW, did you actually file the bug? [13:44] jussi: no! [13:45] popey: has a very long to do list [13:45] i cant even remember what the bug was now [13:45] oh, i got dumped in the proxy channel with odd instructins wasnt it? [13:48] really wish linkedin requests fro ubuntu folks came with a irc nick [13:48] otherwise I've no flipping idea who they are :( [13:53] popey: yeah that one. Im on it in anycase [13:53] cool [13:54] czajkowski: i generally reject most linkedin requests from ubuntu people because I haven't worked with them [13:54] smart [13:54] popey: me also [14:00] * popey farts on webupd8.org [14:00] the people who run that are clearly imbeciles [14:00] http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1010-maverick.html is mental [14:01] grin [14:01] seriously [14:02] oh I don't doubt you, I am grinning at the way you sum it up so perfectly [14:02] it recommands a search/replace of sources.list, then a dist-upgrade, _then_ (for good measure) an update-manager -d [14:02] crackpots, utter crackpots [14:02] and someone will read that [14:02] and think it's true [14:02] popey: looking for me? [14:03] uhm, ooh, yes! [14:03] jcastro: do you have a USA layout keyboard, running Ubuntu 10.04 perchance? [14:05] hrm, whats that smell! [14:06] Prunes! [14:07] jussi, can you please say that to them? [14:07] jussi, those are the two things czajkowski and I ( and the loco council ) are trying to change [14:08] paultag: invite jussi to channel [14:08] czajkowski, yes ma'am :) [14:09] popey: not handy [14:09] upstairs I do [14:10] popey: USA layout here.. [14:11] vish: 10.04? [14:11] jcastro: its a very quick and easy test [14:11] popey: oh gah! missed that part :s nope 10.10 [14:12] basically can someone running 10.04 with USA keyboard layout please check that their PrtScrn key is also their SysRq key, and _if_ it is, logon to 10.04 GNOME based Ubuntu and press Alt+PrtScrn and tell us what happens. [14:12] hrm, no sysRq on this keyboard [14:12] nigelb: USA Keyboard layout? [14:12] but al+Prnt screen gives me screenshot :p [14:12] popey: it used to work on 10.04 i know for sure, since i used it :) [14:12] popey: supposed to be [14:12] nigelb: 10.04? [14:12] yup! [14:13] Great! [14:13] so it's not specific to GB keyboard layout [14:13] bug 642792 [14:13] Launchpad bug 642792 in metacity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "ALT+PrtSc not recognised: breaks built-in screenshot function (affects: 13) (dups: 2) (heat: 78)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/642792 [14:13] \o/ [14:13] ah, one minute [14:14] nigelb: do you get a full desktop screenshot or window? [14:14] Window [14:14] WIN! [14:14] oh! i have the earlier lucid kernel too.. [14:14] I just installed chromium. It feels dirty and *too much* space! [14:14] if you woudln't mind leaving a comment that you're on 10.04, USA keyboard layout and Alt+PrScr does indeed take a screenshot, so this is not limited to GB keyboard layout as suggested by martin pitt in comment #16 [14:14] will do :) [14:15] popey: i remember nhandler complaining of this bug the other day [14:15] doctormo: not cool! [14:17] excellent, I feared that alt+prtscr was going to be a regression for en_GB only [14:17] wait, isn't it? [14:17] I mean, it works okay on usa keyboards (as it just did for me) [14:17] popey: ^^ [14:17] yeah, works on GB keyboards in *lucid* [14:17] oh, not in mav? [14:18] Ah! [14:18] broken in maverick [14:18] feel free to test in maverick :) [14:18] nigelb: maverick bug [14:18] * nigelb comments [14:18] ok, so I have to say it was tested in lucid [14:18] * nigelb clisks [14:18] *clicks* GOSH [14:18] popey: done [14:19] * JFo gives nigelb some coffee [14:19] nigelb: yea you say that and i say.. it doesnt work for me on USA layout on maverick ;) [14:19] vish: win! :) [14:19] sad part is, from the kernel side, it is behaving as we expect [14:19] nigelb: we need to tag team to rustle JFo into giving us a win ;p [14:19] :-/ [14:19] * nigelb hugs JFo [14:19] * JFo hugs nige [14:20] sigh [14:20] vish: weren't you planning on locking JFo in a room till he fixed your kernel [14:20] tab fail [14:20] * nigelb hads JFo half the coffee :p [14:20] lol [14:20] thx :-) [14:20] looks like you need it more than me [14:20] * nigelb is just fidgety at end of day [14:21] also, rain experiment success today [14:21] I wore shoes and it rains. Sigh. [14:27] argh, it was a totally intentional breakage (or fixage depending on point of view) in the kernel [14:27] we have been using a leaking scancode [14:28] JFo: ^^ so that's what behaving as we expect means :D [14:28] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=commitdiff;h=97f5f0cd8cd0a05449cbb77d1e6f02e026875802 [14:28] as per the comments on the git commit [14:28] Right. Now we know. [14:29] :/ [14:29] Do you have proof (or a patch) which would actually identify this as a [14:29] kernel change? That would be helpful to actually understand what's [14:29] going on here. [14:29] NOW WE DO! :p [14:30] what harm were the leaky sysrq scancodes doing! [14:30] lol [14:32] a bad analogy is like a leaky scancode [14:33] hahaha [14:33] AlanBell, no, we expect something else to trap Alt-PrtScr [14:33] what we look for is SysRq [14:34] but that is normally a Fn-SysRq [14:34] at least that is what I am told [14:34] exactly! [14:34] shrug* [14:34] well, might be on laptops [14:34] not on desktops [14:34] yes, but we expect them to come different ways [14:34] I always thought ctrl+alt+prtscr was sysrq [14:34] it won't always be Alt for example [14:35] AlanBell, not always [14:35] ahh [14:35] * JFo digs for some reference... [14:36] JFo: is there a reason from the kernel point of view that alt+prtscr shouldn't be passed through to userspace? [14:37] yes, kernel doesn't handle printscreen to my knowledge... again, we are relying on my memory of what was discussed about this bug the other day :) [14:37] and I had a massive headache at the time [14:37] but if I remember [14:37] there isn't really a reason for us to look for it [14:38] as printscreen is a userspace (usually) command [14:38] but I could just be misrepresenting what was said [14:38] so don't take me as definitive [14:38] was it discussed in -kernel? [14:38] * JFo continues digging for the reference [14:39] AlanBell, I believe so, yes [14:39] any idea what day? [14:39] would have been last week right popey? [14:39] hmmm, not sure. My headache lasted from Wednesday to Sunday [14:39] :) [14:39] so things are a blur [14:39] yeah [14:40] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/21/%23ubuntu-kernel.html#t18:54 [14:41] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/29/%23ubuntu-kernel.html#t14:27 [14:41] actual discussion [14:41] AlanBell: poke? could you provide a bit of moderator assistance with something? [14:42] possibly [14:42] * nigelb pms [14:42] yep, told you I was probably misrepresenting the conversation :) [14:42] so now that I read that, I rememer [14:43] remember* [14:43] * popey hugs jcastro [14:43] jaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy ffffffffffoooooooooooooooooo [14:43] * JFo hides [14:43] I saw a guy on TV that looks like jfo [14:43] hah, really? [14:43] and I was like "man, JFo" [14:43] yeah [14:44] ruggedly handsome... nice hair [14:44] fat [14:44] ever watch deadwood? [14:44] just sayin' [14:44] jcastro, yep [14:44] the bouncer on deadwood [14:44] Al Swearingen is my hero ;-) [14:44] JFo: dude, you're not fat! [14:44] you're "festively plump" [14:44] ah, yeah! I remember him [14:44] haha yeah, I haven't seen it in a while, I watched the first part of one [14:44] popey, I'm right jolly [14:45] someone uploaded a video of me filmed in 16:9 then accidentially squashed to 4:3. It makes me look much thinner. [14:45] hahaha [14:45] oooh, now there's an idea [14:45] * JFo has all of his 'historical footage' changed [14:48] anyone here use gwibber? [14:50] yes [14:50] me [14:50] * popey adds czajkowski to his list [14:51] * akgraner <3's gwibber [14:51] akgraner == crackhead [14:51] popey: is this a good list or a bad list... [14:52] JFo, :-P [14:52] :) [14:52] * JFo tests out his Lil Jon loops [14:52] JFo, I hate you!!! [14:53] dude, these are cool [14:53] (but in the best way possible!) [14:53] WHAT?! [14:53] YEAH!! [14:53] Just when I thought that stupid song would be forgotten Pete set is as his ring tone [14:53] hahahahahaha [14:53] that is awesome [14:53] no it's not [14:54] I just bought 68 Lil Jon vocal samples [14:54] I can make any song a Lil Jon remix [14:54] * akgraner rolls my eyes [14:59] akgraner: heh [15:03] on my laptop fn+prtscr doesn't do sysrq [15:03] it just picks it up as prtscr and does a full screen screenshot [15:04] AlanBell: :( [15:12] czajkowski, I was editing the wiki when you saved it - did it not tell you I was in it - the UDS-N one? [15:12] nope [15:12] grrrrr [15:13] perhaps you were editing it when I was :) [15:13] It didn't tell me anyone was in it either [15:13] maybe you both hit edit at the same time? [15:14] no worries - just was wondering - I'm in there now [15:14] you both suck equally [15:14] :-D [15:14] just sayin' [15:14] * nigelb ^ 5 JFo [15:16] JFo: I will smack you :) [15:17] I ain't skeered [15:17] that is one fight I'd like to see :p [15:17] czajkowski vs JFo :p [15:17] * JFo wins because I would cry [15:17] lol [15:17] :) [15:18] she might smash you to pulp too :D [15:18] :-( [15:18] nigelb: oi oi I'm not that violent [15:18] * nigelb notes the *that* modifier :p [15:18] james_w, thanks [15:18] LOL [15:18] plus JFo doesn't fill my ibox up with emails [15:18] always a bonus [15:18] dholbach: np [15:18] czajkowski: valid point indeed. [15:18] that is because you aren't subscribed to kernel bugs [15:19] otherwise I'd be dead already [15:19] and clearly Ted gould isn't up yet my inbox hasn't been hammered by him today [15:21] hey jono, hey jcastro [15:22] hi dholbach [15:23] ok, can I get a hand finding people for openweek? [15:23] jcastro, there are still 10 slots open for open week - [15:23] people are being lame [15:23] yes, I was just going to bring that up. [15:23] let me reping devel [15:23] I haven't back form the managers I sent the email to last week [15:24] well [15:24] I was hoping for more non-developer participation [15:25] I know but I thought that could volunteer someone from their teams for QA's if nothing else [15:25] akgraner: lets give it a more thorough look [15:25] I'm sure we can bag more people [15:25] work has finally released that rope they had around my neck [15:25] I will send a plea to the lists now. [15:26] then I will kill people [15:26] (with love I mean) [15:26] right, we know. [15:26] jcastro, hehe [15:28] jcastro: i am trying to settle on a topic. would a session on screencast and the screencast team be appropriate? [15:28] duanedesign: You can start off on how to use it, and then say how people can help [15:29] jcastro: Supermirco has (or use to) a home raid enclousure with 5 drive bays and a mini ATX motherboard with Linux supported raid [15:29] duanedesign: that would be awesome [15:29] just a general "how to do screencasts" [15:29] jcastro: can't remember the model off the top of my head [15:30] nigelb: jcastro sounds good [15:31] jcastro: But I would just buy a drobo, unless you want to build one, the drobo is not as Linux friendly, but is more spouce safe if it has problems [15:31] * popey stabs his drobo [15:31] frequently [15:31] I wanted to get a drobo [15:31] dont [15:31] but they appear to be slow [15:31] right [15:31] they are [15:31] every drobo owner is like "don't" [15:31] the _single_ thing that drobo has for it is that it automagically expands/contracts when disks are inserted [15:32] i have actually shrunk mine down by yanking one disk out at a time [15:32] its down to two x 500GB disks now [15:32] to make it faster? [15:32] nah, to make me use it less [15:32] i dont trust it [15:32] hah [15:32] nice [15:33] and i wanted the 500G disks out of it [15:35] I have 4 2Tb disks in my desktop now [15:35] Here is the Supermicro in the mini-tower http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/tower/5035/SYS-5035L-I.cfm, Can only handle four drive so only RAID 0,1,5 no 6 or 10 [15:38] jcastro, priceless - "the overwhelming goodness of the community" :-) [15:38] what I really want to say is "why does everyone suck!" [15:38] but I put that part of my personality away, hahah [15:38] j/k [15:38] :D [15:39] never hide who you are jcastro :) [15:39] I feel like daniel today [15:39] either hugging something to death or being angry [15:39] :p [15:39] jcastro: dholbach syndrome? [15:40] symptoms include: desire to hug inanimate objects [15:40] popey: been resisting the urge to say the some articles on omgubuntu can also be crackful and dangerous also :) [15:40] heh [15:40] random vegetarianism [15:40] * popey resists the urge to mention the forums ;) [15:40] jcastro: and taking vactions to places starting with "I" [15:40] popey: sorry, that horse is dead:) [15:40] heh [15:41] * popey puts the elephant gun away [15:41] jcastro: go hug a tree :D [15:42] I have decided what make the forums great compared to the wiki or stackexchange is that Google (and the other search) have an easy time index it [15:44] I would really like to see the wiki or stackexchange show up higher (or it all) in Google searches [16:01] kim0, can you give me a min, and then lets do the call? [16:01] jono: tyt [16:05] Technoviking: valid point [16:06] Technoviking: it will once the proper domain is in place, SE has sick google juice [16:07] though, 6 years vs. 60 days of indexed content [16:09] jcastro: the forum will probably have to restart with a new index after we upgrade to vB4. [16:09] anyone else getting a flood of messages from ubuntu-devel? [16:10] Technoviking: that would be good I think [16:10] yeah, approvals Technoviking [16:10] sorry, moderated messages I mean [16:10] sometimes I find an old thread in google that should be buried [16:17] popey: I love your reply to the ubuntu fonts ffe :) [16:18] we will hopeful be adding an "Helpful Answer" plugin, to help rate forum posts in vB4 [16:19] and someday we'll put 301 redirect to stackexchange. [16:19] * nigelb runs. Fast. [16:20] j/k :) [16:20] nigelb: sigh [16:20] * nigelb hugs Technoviking :) [16:22] nigelb: stackexchange is new and shiny, and a great tool, but don't throw away the forums just yet;) [16:23] jcastro: has it ever been brought up that having open week the week after release is just not a good time ? Many people are shattered after the previous few weeks of work and that is their unwind sleep week ? [16:23] heh, I seem to recall asking that same question [16:23] Technoviking: I was kidding. I don't like either. [16:23] czajkowski, yep several times [16:23] czajkowski: we put it there on purpose to get the buzz for release [16:23] but open week isn't for developers [16:24] ^^^ [16:24] its more for newcomers [16:24] hey doctormo, wake up :) [16:24] nigelb: yeah, but it makes it harder to find people to teach [16:24]