[00:08] is it expected there are still a bunch of 2.30 Gnome packages in Maverick - is it just nothing interesting changed since 2.30 ? === bdrung_ is now known as bdrung === meebey is now known as meebey_ === meebey_ is now known as meebey [00:39] penguin42: gradually packages are upgraded to 2.32. [00:39] if you want this process faster, please help developers in packaging [00:39] ari-tczew: OK, I'd kind of expected all the main ones to be the same as the gnome release in use; e.g. gedit and hnome-panel [00:40] ari-tczew: It wasn't a criticism, just a curiosity [00:40] penguin42: everything in its time [01:02] the plan is to do 2.30 -> 2.32 upgrades during the stable release? [01:03] madness.... [01:07] Some of them will be because of transitions that we didn't want to go through, IIRC. Particularly gsettings? [01:07] maverick is already making extensive use of gsettings [01:07] a fact that i find terrifying, quite frankly [01:08] gedit seemed surprisingly harmless not to have moved forward [01:08] it was just translation updates [01:08] huh, that's not the plan [01:09] i hope not :) [01:09] jumping minors during a stable cycle seems a little bit loopy [01:09] the plan was to do updates which were feasible, ie didn't rely on too new technologies [01:09] *before* release, i.e. by now [01:09] Laney: that plan went out the window pretty quick :) [01:09] gtk3 is an example [01:10] no 2.32.0 package needs gtk3 [01:10] yeah [01:10] * desrt is just happy you guys made it to glib-2.26.0 [01:10] anyway it was a conservative cycle for gnome updates [01:10] it was a conservative cycle in general for gnome upstream too [01:11] upgrading from the release candidate to the latest archive versions causes the system to explode [01:11] so good to get that one out of the way before-hand :) [01:11] fun [01:11] it wasn't a conservative upstream cycle at all [01:11] between GDBus, GSettings, GApplication, ... [01:12] visible feature-wise [01:13] that's fair [01:13] most people were working too hard on 3.0 stuff === asac_ is now known as asac === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [06:15] Good morning [06:30] morning pitti :) [06:31] hey nigelb, how are you? [06:32] pitti: as good as I can be on a monday morning :p [06:32] How about you? :) [06:33] pretty well, had a nice weekend [06:33] :) [06:34] I think my ears are now functional afer yesterday's concert :D [06:34] oh, you played? [06:35] nah, I was helping set up things and sat right in the front with the amps :) [06:35] (I don't play at all) [06:38] morning pitti, nigelb [06:38] Howdy all! [06:41] hey RAOF, good morning! [06:42] Good weekend pitti? [06:42] RAOF: yes indeed! we invited some friends to make the traditional onion cake with "Federweisser", and went for a hike yesterday [06:42] Howdy ajmitch, RAOF :) [06:43] Sounds like fun, although I may have to google that cake :) [06:52] RAOF: "Federweisser" is not a cake, it's a kind of wine [06:52] The onion cake is, I presume, a cake, though? [06:52] :) [06:52] I guessed that the Federweisser was alcohol of some description. [06:53] RAOF: yes; pretty much a pizza dough with lots of onions and some sauce/cheese [06:53] Mmmm. [06:53] Sounds like I'd probably call that a bread. A delicious bread! [06:53] lol [06:54] the cake was a lie! [06:54] RAOF: not quite -- http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.koepf.de/images/rezepte/zwiebelkuchen4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.koepf.de/rezepte_zwiebelkuchen.html&h=285&w=450&sz=28&tbnid=iVfHbEEGHU0TcM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dzwiebelkuchen&zoom=1&q=zwiebelkuchen&usg=__7CNJAXtiPPoNTOpZyhoD0yoX7R8=&sa=X&ei=BWypTMCQCdCKswb_tKSYDA&ved=0CC8Q9QEwBQ [06:55] omg, that looks yummy. [06:55] I'd probably _still_ call that a bread. A pizza-bread type thing. [06:55] It does, indeed, look yummy. [06:56] and after frying and baking 4 kg of onions your kitchen smells "interesting", too :) [06:56] That's a lot of onions! How big does the cake end up? [06:57] two oven trays [06:57] I wonder if you took pictures :) [06:58] I take it that there were quite a lot of friends over :) [06:58] yeah, 6 of them [06:59] RAOF: the onions get steamed before baking, though, so they melt together quite a lot; so it's not actually that bad [07:00] Sounds full of salicylic acid! [07:00] Or whatever it is that's in onions. [07:03] heh [08:09] good morning all [08:10] good morning rickspencer3 [08:10] hey rickspencer3 [08:10] rickspencer3: how's London? [08:11] in merry old london? [08:11] pitti, I'm not quite there yet [08:11] just like maverick :) [08:11] still hanging out in Amsterdam [08:11] lol [08:11] riiiggght [08:11] I'm going to catch a ferry to England this evening [08:11] oh, why's that? [08:11] pitti, mvo, what's the word on the street? [08:11] some problem with the airports? [08:11] no more bugs to fix? [08:12] pitti, nah, I just wanted to try the night ferry [08:12] rickspencer3: I haven't kept my ear closely to the street this time, TBH [08:12] no OMG mails in my INBOX so far [08:12] it's cheaper than a hotel room, and seemed nice [08:12] rickspencer3: the VNC bug just got fixed [08:12] * desrt fixes that for mvo [08:12] mvo, great news! [08:12] * rickspencer3 kicks desrt [08:12] no other OMGs that I could see [08:12] cool [08:12] let's lock down maverick, turn our sites to Natty [08:13] there's two things that regressed for me that I can see [08:13] time to start registering blueprints! [08:13] but otherwise it's pretty solid [08:13] * rickspencer3 burries head in sand [08:13] pitti, besides boot time, what regressed? [08:13] rickspencer3: when I remove an USB stick, I get a silly nautilus error about "can't display computer:///" [08:13] oh? [08:13] I don't think that happens to me [08:14] and gnome-settings-daemon now wants to be too clever about changing resolution [08:14] anyway, if that's the worse you got [08:14] which is a mis-feature [08:14] i. e. not a bug in the "oops, how could this happen" sense [08:14] good morning [08:14] neither of those are world breakers, of course [08:14] hey didrocks [08:14] I saw in the brainstorming threads that lots of folks want to do some good multi-mon stuff [08:14] hi didrocks [08:14] Guten Morgen pitti, how are you? [08:14] rickspencer3: boot speed regression is pretty ridiculous indeed, but I hope it's just a local problem smoehow [08:15] hey rickspencer3, how was your travel? :) [08:15] pitti, well, to be sure, I haven't noticed it, and it wasn't picked up marjo's lab [08:15] rickspencer3: in my case it's docked vs. undocked, i. e. just one monitor at a time [08:15] didrocks, so far so good [08:15] Amsterdam was amazing this weekend, wonderful weather [08:15] rickspencer3: ok, so perhaps it's due to btrfs [08:15] that it has to wait for 10 s for the root fs [08:15] didrocks: pretty well, thanks! went for a hike yesterday, and had some friends for cooking and dinner on Saturday [08:16] pitti, you might have mentioned that in your response to the perfomance thread! [08:16] :) [08:16] rickspencer3: it just came to my mind :) [08:16] anyway, I'll reinstall this box this week for testing the final images [08:16] well, good to keep in mind if we look for btrfs in Natty [08:17] rickspencer3: hm, no; my August install had btrfs, too [08:18] pitti: There's that *horrible* btrfs write-performance regression in btrfs for Maverick, but that's probably not the cause of boot-time problems. [08:18] Unless something's trying to write enough out to disc during boot to trigger it. [08:27] didrocks: hello! is is you smarter-app-filtering-level aimed for 3.0 ? [08:27] mvo: if it can do it as part as an SRU, it will be good. I'm tweaked OneConf to be compatible with both versions [08:30] didrocks: ok [08:30] thanks :) [08:31] * mvo looks at the branch closer now [08:59] mvo: thanks for merging :) [09:01] didrocks: no worries [09:01] didrocks: its good stuff [09:01] :) [09:59] mpt: I have an idea how to kill two birds with one stone for the comments in the software center and the trophies system im suggesting in the games blueprint [10:01] I was saying on the blueprint about how we could get comments from gwibber in the wiki page but now I think we can do it for the trophies as well using the exact same process [10:01] anyhow ill add it to the wiki [10:49] hmmmm, i should have checked that my laptop had free slots before purchasing more memory :/ [10:50] :-( [10:50] hey chrisccoulson [10:50] hi seb128, how are you? [10:50] I'm fine thanks [10:50] you? [10:51] yeah, not too bad thanks [10:51] although i was hoping to have more memory in my laptop this morning ;) [10:59] seb128, hello [11:00] hey ara [11:02] seb128, do you remember a bug related to samba that were preventing people using maverick seeing others in the network through network->places? [11:02] not really [11:02] we get some of those every now and then [11:03] but they usually are the way people set their name resolution [11:03] or samba names resolution [11:03] i.e.? [11:04] ; name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast [11:05] ara, ^ in smb.conf [11:05] changing the resolver order is required on some configs it [11:05] changing the resolver order is required on some configs it seems [11:05] you also need to use the right workgroup [11:05] seb128, OK, thanks [11:05] but I don't know a lot about samba [11:05] you might want to ask slangasek about the resolve order thing [11:05] seb128, I'll have a look to it, thanks [11:13] seb128, isn't that you who were using Empathy to connect to ICQ ? [11:15] cassidy, I still do [11:16] seb128, are you suffering https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631220 ? [11:16] Gnome bug 631220 in Contact List "Every icq contaсt says that it have a webcam" [Normal,Needinfo] [11:19] yes [11:19] and when I click on the camera icq disconnect [11:19] I guess the cm crashes [11:19] oh interesting, that's weird [11:26] pitti, can you start your icq? [11:26] seb128: can do; I usually keep it off since I mostly get spam through it nowadays [11:26] pitti, thanks [11:26] seb128: done [11:27] pitti, do you see a webcam icon next to me? [11:27] or to your other contacts [11:27] ie the icon to do audio and video calls [11:27] seb128: I removed you from ICQ, since I have you on jabber [11:27] seb128: but I do see the webcam icon on my icq contacts, yes [11:27] should I? [11:28] cassidy, ^ [11:28] pitti, no, thanks for confirming ;-) [11:28] thx [11:28] I opened https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30594 [11:28] Freedesktop bug 30594 in haze "Haze claims that ICQ contacts support audio/video" [Normal,New] [11:28] I'll dig further once I'll have Maverick as well [11:29] * cassidy lunch [11:29] telepathy-haze segfaults when I try to call [11:29] #2 0x080608a7 in ?? () [11:29] #3 0x003a67f9 in tp_channel_manager_create_channel (manager=0x0, [11:29] request_token=0x8c7c6b0, request_properties=0x8e40a00) [11:29] at channel-manager.c:683 [11:29] #4 0x0037551b in conn_requests_offer_request (self=, [11:29] cassidy, enjoy [11:29] seb128, can you add that on the bug please? [11:29] cassidy, yes [11:30] thx [11:36] good morning didrocks. I'll misuse you as support center for unity again, if that's ok. On the netbook where I've got unity, when logging in using the normal desktop session, all windows are opened without the maximize, close, and minimize buttons. I cannot right-click on the menu bar, either. Any ideas on how to restore the buttons? [11:36] sounds like it's trying the global menu bar there? [11:38] dpm: if you Alt + click with the mouse and drag it somewhere else, doesn't the decorator appear? [11:38] dpm: do you save your session or something fun like that? :) [11:39] didrocks, yeah, they appear when I drag them. No, I haven't saved the session for years, since I realised that it didn't quite work :) [11:40] dpm: ok, so the application is saving its position, and so the decorator is hidden under gnome-panel, right? [11:40] didrocks, now that you are saying, I'd guess so [11:41] dpm: not sure we can easily fix that though :/ [11:42] didrocks, oh, so it's not an issue with settings, but rather a bug? Does this affect all 1024px-wide screens? [11:43] it used to be fine with the earlier UNR and switching back and forth between desktop and UNR sessions [11:43] dpm: it affects all computers when you run unity and switch to desktop I would say. The decorator is hidden in unity, so the position of the window is saved (from the topmost of it), but then, when you readd decorator and such, the position shouldn't be the same [11:43] yeah, because it was a separate process which removed decoratoros [11:43] decorators [11:43] here, it's mutter stripping them [11:44] didrocks, ok, so shall I just go along and file a bug? [11:44] dpm: sure [11:44] against unity upstream and unity package itself [11:44] (it's the plugin which strips than) [11:45] ok, will do, thanks didrocks! [11:45] dpm: thank you :) [11:50] didrocks, bug #651953 [11:50] Launchpad bug 651953 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "strange thumb of copy dialog (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651953 [11:50] did you see bugs similar to that before? [11:51] looking [11:51] seb128: no I didn't, let me check again [11:52] seb128: but I always stop the copy for another bug, so let it completing [11:52] TheMuso: ping [11:55] seb128: no remaining stub there [11:55] ok [11:55] I've to go for lunch [11:55] bbl [11:55] seb128: enjoy :) [12:15] any unity authors around? [12:16] I found a rather odd bug when running unity at 2048x1152 [12:17] zyga, you should better describe your bug there or on #ayatana [12:17] seb128, thanks [12:18] other people that whoever you call authors can perhaps reply === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:56] hi seb128, I'm asking you because you were the last uploader. I realize it might be way too late for maverick, in which case we might have to leave it for natty, but it seems that the Launchpad translations were not imported for xdg-user-dirs (bug 549088). Would it be possible to include them in the package? [12:56] Launchpad bug 549088 in xdg-user-dirs (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please, update /usr/share/locale/xx/LC_MESSAGES/xdg-user-dirs.mo using translations from Launchpad (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549088 [12:57] dpm, right, we got none of those done this cycle [12:57] ie shared-mime-info [12:57] or yelp [12:57] or xdg-user-dirs [12:57] I was on holidays around the time those are uploaded usually [12:57] nobody picked up on the task [13:02] seb128, no worries, thanks for the clarification - and I hope you had some nice holidays :) I don't think they are that critical, so if they cannot be exported this cycle, let's aim for the next. Do you think there might be a better way to track when they need to be exported in case you are not around? We've got them listed on the wiki and we reuse bugs for some of them: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline I'm just wondering if [13:02] there might be an easier way [13:03] I don't think there is a better way no... [13:03] did desktop team get reports about unity not starting at all? [13:03] we just need somebody available with time to do those [13:03] didrocks, ^ asac's question [13:04] asac: there are some, especially with ati card, why? [13:04] alf_ cannot see unity starting on his desktop [13:04] dpm, I guess dropping a reminder on the devel list next cycle about "it's time to do export for those: ..." could help [13:04] dpm, bonus if you have urls to translations export ready to use [13:04] didrocks: i915 is his [13:05] dpm, rather than having us to figure where to go in launchpad to get an export etc [13:05] asac: not with intel, there is something with i965, but not that one… davidbarth ^^ [13:05] dpm, then having to wait on launchpad to do the export [13:05] seb128, ok, I'll take a note, thanks! [13:05] dpm, you're welcome [13:05] seb128, I'll work on the bonus point as well :) [13:05] ;-) [13:05] dpm, you rock! [13:06] thanks seb128 :-) Everyone rocks! [13:11] asac: and yes, some ati card doesn't support the gl effects used by unity [13:11] asac: maybe it's the same with i915 [13:11] asac: let me ping njpatel about it ^^ [13:26] pitti, I was going to update the lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk-vnc/u [13:27] *buntu branch after the fix was sponsored [13:27] unless you believe I shouldn't bother? [13:29] cyphermox: we can just switch to the lp:ubuntu/ one now, IMHO [13:29] pitti, ok === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:36] asac: i915, it's below our requirements i think; it doesn't have FBO support afaict [13:40] davidbarth: did you have time to try my branch? [13:42] Cimi: hi [13:42] Cimi: which one? [13:42] oh, icons [13:43] nope, need a bug and a milestone to track that more closely [13:44] ok === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine [13:55] Cimi: here is what i get: http://imagebin.org/116943 [13:55] Cimi: looks like the triangle needs to be adjusted then [13:56] Cimi: let's see with chaotic what he thinks [13:56] davidbarth: we have two solutions [13:57] davidbarth: looks a bit close [13:57] davidbarth: 1) add 1 px of padding around each side of the icon, that will enlarge menuitem's height (which is *ugly*) [13:57] chaotic: right, but now the icons at the top of the menu do have a more consistent size [13:58] davidbarth: 2) reduce the dimension of the triangle, or its aspect ratio [13:58] the triangle size is based on the equivalent indicator in unity [13:58] davidbarth: another consideration: we have to take in mind that the most used icons (chat, email, broadcast, pidgin) work much better [13:58] ie, the markers for active applications are 5x9 in unity a.t.m. [13:59] davidbarth: so I would stick with the current situation [13:59] it's much better to have the triangle close to the icon [14:00] davidbarth: than every menuitem with 2px of more height [14:00] davidbarth: because a different approach (just adding padding to the left of the icon) [14:00] davidbarth: requires patching gtk+ which is not acceptable as we are in freeze [14:01] davidbarth: if it's ok for you I'll have my interview with seb [14:01] davidbarth: do you need anything else? [14:04] Cimi: go ahed, i'm just comparing screenshots; i think we'll have to shrink the triangle [14:04] chaotic: would that be ok to shrink it a bit? [14:05] davidbarth: maybe by 1px [14:06] trying that atm === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter [14:11] chaotic, Cimi: see http://imagebin.org/116946 (with a 4x9 triangle) [14:12] davidbarth: becoming a bit un-noticeable [14:15] chaotic: then, there is a deeper issue to solve to adopt consistent margins within icons [14:15] chaotic: hopping on a call; let's see with Cimi when he is back as well [14:17] asac: can you please copy the updated mutter package from ppa:afrantzis/clutter-1.2 to armel1? [14:17] yes [14:17] one sec [14:18] done alf_ [14:25] asac: thanks! [14:30] davidbarth: chaotic: cimi and seb are back from their chat :D [14:38] hey pitti, afternoon. It seems that the language-selector translation was not exported in the latest language pack, and thus it is untranslated in all languages. I've re-checked that the template has got the "Include translations for this template in language packs?" checkbox active and it has, so I can't understand why this has happened. Do you have any pointers on what to look into? [14:42] Cimi: how'd it go? [14:43] chaotic: ask seb128 in query for spoilers :D I hope well [14:46] seb128, pitivi and pygoocanvas crasher uploaded [14:47] s/crasher/crasher fix/ [14:47] :) [14:48] ooo oo ooo! [14:48] I had a great idea for gwibber in the shower this morning, now I've forgotten [14:48] sorry, that wasn't very helpful. [14:51] popey, bummer.... [14:51] popey, go take another shower :) [14:51] :) [14:55] seb128, didrocks: http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?h=gnome-2-32 you already have the first commit but not the second one [14:56] Cimi, yeah it went well don't worry ;-) [14:56] kenvandine, hey, great [14:56] cassidy, what second? [14:57] there is like a page of commits [14:57] http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?h=gnome-2-32&id=6c7d6ae27283e2a54b97198baedfe9c26b812b46 [14:57] I guess [14:57] from .1 [14:57] yep [14:57] do we have .1? [14:57] no as it's distchecking atm :) [14:57] but I guess it's too late, no ? [14:57] if not, go for it :) [14:58] it is for release [14:58] kenvandine, ^ can you sru it? [14:58] no hurry that will not go in before next week [14:58] empathy? [14:58] kenvandine, it being empathy .1 [14:58] ah... sure [14:58] * didrocks looks for logs for scripts in casper-bottoms [14:58] ie the tarball cassidy is rolling [14:59] should be out in a bit [15:00] session restart brb [15:06] WOH don't we ship /usr/lib/vorbisfile.pc, which is included upstream?! :/ === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [15:12] kenvandine, released [15:16] cassidy, thx :) [15:23] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html [15:23] chrisccoulson, you still have 3 workitems to todo [15:23] could you clean them? ie set them as done or postponed [15:23] seb128 - oops, yeah, will do that now [15:23] mterry, ^ you seem to have a whole spec there as well [15:23] chrisccoulson, thanks [15:24] seb128, oh, yeah, that's not really mine. let me unassign [15:24] mpt, ^ you have a workitem to figure what to do with chromium and appmenu, time to defer it? [15:24] mterry, thanks [15:25] Cimi: need to see with chaotic what to do with the icon patch [15:25] seb128 - done [15:25] seb128, I didn't know that page existed [15:25] Cimi: he was saying the triangle is starting to disappear when i shortened it by one pixel [15:26] mpt, you don't know about workitems? [15:27] seb128, oh, I see, that's the page linked to from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/FeatureStatus [15:31] mpt, well http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/ [15:32] mpt, those a workitems tracking for all teams [15:35] Riddell, Cimi: btw I can confirm that the qt update in maverick fixes the light themes issues [15:37] seb128: Riddell cool === zyga is now known as zyga-afk === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|afk [16:09] didrocks: unity has all those widgets and elements right? ... is there a way to set an env or setting disable a few (or all) of them? [16:09] asac: you mean, the systray and some indicators? [16:09] davidbarth: do you have skype? [16:09] asac: you just need to not install the corresponding indicator service element [16:09] like disable places and launcher etc [16:10] didrocks: no i mean real clutter actors [16:10] not sure what in unity is really a clutter actor, but i think places launcher panel to begin with ;) [16:10] asac: for places, just remove the place corresponding package [16:10] and for launcher, it's just a set of favorites in gconf (/desktop/unity) [16:10] i dont care atm about anythingthat is not started by mutter --plugin=libunity-mutter [16:11] Cimi: sure [16:11] didrocks: i dont want to remove individual places or launchers .... i want to remove the whole places and launcher facility [16:12] asac: I think there no such way apart from removing the packages (or deleting /usr/share/unity/places/*) and changing the gconf keys [16:12] you can't remove the launcher itself [16:12] hmm [16:12] kk [16:13] ;) [16:13] would have been too good [16:32] sabdfl: please poke me when you have more time, I am discussing about the indicator messages with davidbarth [16:33] chrisccoulson, you didn't upload the fix for bug #646076 I guess? [16:33] Launchpad bug 646076 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-display-properties: cannot save systemwide resolution (affects: 11) (dups: 1) (heat: 50)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646076 [16:33] sabdfl: I know you might be out for a conference, but please feel free to query me [16:34] seb128 - not yet, i can do that if you like (but probably as a SRU now?) [16:35] chrisccoulson, ask on #ubuntu-release I guess [16:37] chrisccoulson, thanks [16:40] chaotic: I might need to speak with you later === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [16:43] ArneGoetje: ping [16:48] Cimi: ok === MacSlow|afk is now known as MacSlow [17:50] didrocks, pitti: weren't you working on getting an yelp with updated translations uploaded? [17:51] pitti was doing it AFAIK. But I think the upload was done on langpack directly [17:51]