[00:08] <penguin42> is it expected there are still a bunch of 2.30 Gnome packages in Maverick - is it just nothing interesting changed since 2.30 ?
[00:39] <ari-tczew> penguin42: gradually packages are upgraded to 2.32.
[00:39] <ari-tczew> if you want this process faster, please help developers in packaging
[00:39] <penguin42> ari-tczew: OK, I'd kind of expected all the main ones to be the same as the gnome release in use; e.g. gedit and hnome-panel
[00:40] <penguin42> ari-tczew: It wasn't a criticism, just a curiosity
[00:40] <ari-tczew> penguin42: everything in its time
[01:02] <desrt> the plan is to do 2.30 -> 2.32 upgrades during the stable release?
[01:03] <desrt> madness....
[01:07] <RAOF> Some of them will be because of transitions that we didn't want to go through, IIRC.  Particularly gsettings?
[01:07] <desrt> maverick is already making extensive use of gsettings
[01:07] <desrt> a fact that i find terrifying, quite frankly
[01:08] <penguin42> gedit seemed surprisingly harmless not to have moved forward
[01:08] <Sarvatt> it was just translation updates
[01:08] <Laney> huh, that's not the plan
[01:09] <desrt> i hope not :)
[01:09] <desrt> jumping minors during a stable cycle seems a little bit loopy
[01:09] <Laney> the plan was to do updates which were feasible, ie didn't rely on too new technologies
[01:09] <Laney> *before* release, i.e. by now
[01:09] <desrt> Laney: that plan went out the window pretty quick :)
[01:09] <Laney> gtk3 is an example
[01:10] <desrt> no 2.32.0 package needs gtk3
[01:10] <Laney> yeah
[01:10]  * desrt is just happy you guys made it to glib-2.26.0
[01:10] <Laney> anyway it was a conservative cycle for gnome updates
[01:10] <Laney> it was a conservative cycle in general for gnome upstream too
[01:11] <desrt> upgrading from the release candidate to the latest archive versions causes the system to explode
[01:11] <desrt> so good to get that one out of the way before-hand :)
[01:11] <Laney> fun
[01:11] <desrt> it wasn't a conservative upstream cycle at all
[01:11] <desrt> between GDBus, GSettings, GApplication, ...
[01:12] <Laney> visible feature-wise
[01:13] <desrt> that's fair
[01:13] <desrt> most people were working too hard on 3.0 stuff
[06:15] <pitti> Good morning
[06:30] <nigelb> morning pitti :)
[06:31] <pitti> hey nigelb, how are you?
[06:32] <nigelb> pitti: as good as I can be on a monday morning :p
[06:32] <nigelb> How about you? :)
[06:33] <pitti> pretty well, had a nice weekend
[06:33] <nigelb> :)
[06:34] <nigelb> I think my ears are now functional afer yesterday's concert :D
[06:34] <pitti> oh, you played?
[06:35] <nigelb> nah, I was helping set up things and sat right in the front with the amps :)
[06:35] <nigelb> (I don't play at all)
[06:38] <ajmitch> morning pitti, nigelb
[06:38] <RAOF> Howdy all!
[06:41] <pitti> hey RAOF, good morning!
[06:42] <RAOF> Good weekend pitti?
[06:42] <pitti> RAOF: yes indeed! we invited some friends to make the traditional onion cake with "Federweisser", and went for a hike yesterday
[06:42] <nigelb> Howdy ajmitch, RAOF :)
[06:43] <RAOF> Sounds like fun, although I may have to google that cake :)
[06:52] <pitti> RAOF: "Federweisser" is not a cake, it's a kind of wine
[06:52] <RAOF> The onion cake is, I presume, a cake, though?
[06:52] <RAOF> :)
[06:52] <RAOF> I guessed that the Federweisser was alcohol of some description.
[06:53] <pitti> RAOF: yes; pretty much a pizza dough with lots of onions and some sauce/cheese
[06:53] <RAOF> Mmmm.
[06:53] <RAOF> Sounds like I'd probably call that a bread.  A delicious bread!
[06:53] <nigelb> lol
[06:54] <nigelb> the cake was a lie!
[06:54] <pitti> RAOF: not quite -- http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.koepf.de/images/rezepte/zwiebelkuchen4.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.koepf.de/rezepte_zwiebelkuchen.html&h=285&w=450&sz=28&tbnid=iVfHbEEGHU0TcM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dzwiebelkuchen&zoom=1&q=zwiebelkuchen&usg=__7CNJAXtiPPoNTOpZyhoD0yoX7R8=&sa=X&ei=BWypTMCQCdCKswb_tKSYDA&ved=0CC8Q9QEwBQ
[06:55] <nigelb> omg, that looks yummy.
[06:55] <RAOF> I'd probably _still_ call that a bread.  A pizza-bread type thing.
[06:55] <RAOF> It does, indeed, look yummy.
[06:56] <pitti> and after frying and baking 4 kg of onions your kitchen smells "interesting", too :)
[06:56] <RAOF> That's a lot of onions!  How big does the cake end up?
[06:57] <pitti> two oven trays
[06:57] <nigelb> I wonder if you took pictures :)
[06:58] <RAOF> I take it that there were quite a lot of friends over :)
[06:58] <pitti> yeah, 6 of them
[06:59] <pitti> RAOF: the onions get steamed before baking, though, so they melt together quite a lot; so it's not actually that bad
[07:00] <RAOF> Sounds full of salicylic acid!
[07:00] <RAOF> Or whatever it is that's in onions.
[07:03] <nigelb> heh
[08:09] <rickspencer3> good morning all
[08:10] <mvo> good morning rickspencer3
[08:10] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[08:10] <pitti> rickspencer3: how's London?
[08:11] <mvo> in merry old london?
[08:11] <rickspencer3> pitti, I'm not quite there yet
[08:11] <pitti> just like maverick :)
[08:11] <rickspencer3> still hanging out in Amsterdam
[08:11] <rickspencer3> lol
[08:11] <rickspencer3> riiiggght
[08:11] <rickspencer3> I'm going to catch a ferry to England this evening
[08:11] <pitti> oh, why's that?
[08:11] <rickspencer3> pitti, mvo, what's the word on the street?
[08:11] <pitti> some problem with the airports?
[08:11] <rickspencer3> no more bugs to fix?
[08:12] <rickspencer3> pitti, nah, I just wanted to try the night ferry
[08:12] <pitti> rickspencer3: I haven't kept my ear closely to the street this time, TBH
[08:12] <mvo> no OMG mails in my INBOX so far
[08:12] <rickspencer3> it's cheaper than a hotel room, and seemed nice
[08:12] <pitti> rickspencer3: the VNC bug just got fixed
[08:12]  * desrt fixes that for mvo
[08:12] <rickspencer3> mvo, great news!
[08:12]  * rickspencer3 kicks desrt
[08:12] <pitti> no other OMGs that I could see
[08:12] <rickspencer3> cool
[08:12] <rickspencer3> let's lock down maverick, turn our sites to Natty
[08:13] <pitti> there's two things that regressed for me that I can see
[08:13] <rickspencer3> time to start registering blueprints!
[08:13] <pitti> but otherwise it's pretty solid
[08:13]  * rickspencer3 burries head in sand
[08:13] <rickspencer3> pitti, besides boot time, what regressed?
[08:13] <pitti> rickspencer3: when I remove an USB stick, I get a silly nautilus error about "can't display computer:///"
[08:13] <rickspencer3> oh?
[08:13] <rickspencer3> I don't think that happens to me
[08:14] <pitti> and gnome-settings-daemon now wants to be too clever about changing resolution
[08:14] <rickspencer3> anyway, if that's the worse you got
[08:14] <pitti> which is a mis-feature
[08:14] <pitti> i. e. not a bug in the "oops, how could this happen" sense
[08:14] <didrocks> good morning
[08:14] <pitti> neither of those are world breakers, of course
[08:14] <pitti> hey didrocks
[08:14] <rickspencer3> I saw in the brainstorming threads that lots of folks want to do some good multi-mon stuff
[08:14] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[08:14] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti, how are you?
[08:14] <pitti> rickspencer3: boot speed regression is pretty ridiculous indeed, but I hope it's just a local problem smoehow
[08:15] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3, how was your travel? :)
[08:15] <rickspencer3> pitti, well, to be sure, I haven't noticed it, and it wasn't picked up marjo's lab
[08:15] <pitti> rickspencer3: in my case it's docked vs. undocked, i. e. just one monitor at a time
[08:15] <rickspencer3> didrocks, so far so good
[08:15] <rickspencer3> Amsterdam was amazing this weekend, wonderful weather
[08:15] <pitti> rickspencer3: ok, so perhaps it's due to btrfs
[08:15] <pitti> that it has to wait for 10 s for the root fs
[08:15] <pitti> didrocks: pretty well, thanks! went for a hike yesterday, and had some friends for cooking and dinner on Saturday
[08:16] <rickspencer3> pitti, you might have mentioned that in your response to the perfomance thread!
[08:16] <rickspencer3> :)
[08:16] <pitti> rickspencer3: it just came to my mind :)
[08:16] <pitti> anyway, I'll reinstall this box this week for testing the final images
[08:16] <rickspencer3> well, good to keep in mind if we look for btrfs in Natty
[08:17] <pitti> rickspencer3: hm, no; my August install had btrfs, too
[08:18] <RAOF> pitti: There's that *horrible* btrfs write-performance regression in btrfs for Maverick, but that's probably not the cause of boot-time problems.
[08:18] <RAOF> Unless something's trying to write enough out to disc during boot to trigger it.
[08:27] <mvo> didrocks: hello! is is you smarter-app-filtering-level aimed for 3.0 ?
[08:27] <didrocks> mvo: if it can do it as part as an SRU, it will be good. I'm tweaked OneConf to be compatible with both versions
[08:30] <mvo> didrocks: ok
[08:30] <didrocks> thanks :)
[08:31]  * mvo looks at the branch closer now
[08:59] <didrocks> mvo: thanks for merging :)
[09:01] <mvo> didrocks: no worries
[09:01] <mvo> didrocks: its good stuff
[09:01] <didrocks> :)
[09:59] <bad_fagan> mpt: I have an idea how to kill two birds with one stone for the comments in the software center and the trophies system im suggesting in the games blueprint
[10:01] <bad_fagan> I was saying on the blueprint about how we could get comments from gwibber in the wiki page but now I think we can do it for the trophies as well using the exact same process
[10:01] <bad_fagan> anyhow ill add it to the wiki
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i should have checked that my laptop had free slots before purchasing more memory :/
[10:50] <seb128> :-(
[10:50] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[10:50] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[10:50] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[10:50] <seb128> you?
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> yeah, not too bad thanks
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> although i was hoping to have more memory in my laptop this morning ;)
[10:59] <ara> seb128, hello
[11:00] <seb128> hey ara
[11:02] <ara> seb128, do you remember a bug related to samba that were preventing people using maverick seeing others in the network through network->places?
[11:02] <seb128> not really
[11:02] <seb128> we get some of those every now and then
[11:03] <seb128> but they usually are the way people set their name resolution
[11:03] <seb128> or samba names resolution
[11:03] <ara> i.e.?
[11:04] <seb128> ;   name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast
[11:05] <seb128> ara, ^ in smb.conf
[11:05] <seb128> changing the resolver order is required on some configs it
[11:05] <seb128> changing the resolver order is required on some configs it seems
[11:05] <seb128> you also need to use the right workgroup
[11:05] <ara> seb128, OK, thanks
[11:05] <seb128> but I don't know a lot about samba
[11:05] <seb128> you might want to ask slangasek about the resolve order thing
[11:05] <ara> seb128, I'll have a look to it, thanks
[11:13] <cassidy> seb128, isn't that you who were using Empathy to connect to ICQ ?
[11:15] <seb128> cassidy, I still do
[11:16] <cassidy> seb128, are you suffering https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631220 ?
[11:16] <ubot2> Gnome bug 631220 in Contact List "Every icq contaсt says that it have a webcam" [Normal,Needinfo]
[11:19] <seb128> yes
[11:19] <seb128> and when I click on the camera icq disconnect
[11:19] <seb128> I guess the cm crashes
[11:19] <cassidy> oh interesting, that's weird
[11:26] <seb128> pitti, can you start your icq?
[11:26] <pitti> seb128: can do; I usually keep it off since I mostly get spam through it nowadays
[11:26] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[11:26] <pitti> seb128: done
[11:27] <seb128> pitti, do you see a webcam icon next to me?
[11:27] <seb128> or to your other contacts
[11:27] <seb128> ie the icon to do audio and video calls
[11:27] <pitti> seb128: I removed you from ICQ, since I have you on jabber
[11:27] <pitti> seb128: but I do see the webcam icon on my icq contacts, yes
[11:27] <pitti> should I?
[11:28] <seb128> cassidy, ^
[11:28] <seb128> pitti, no, thanks for confirming ;-)
[11:28] <cassidy> thx
[11:28] <cassidy> I opened https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30594
[11:28] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 30594 in haze "Haze claims that ICQ contacts support audio/video" [Normal,New]
[11:28] <cassidy> I'll dig further once I'll have Maverick as well
[11:29]  * cassidy lunch
[11:29] <seb128> telepathy-haze segfaults when I try to call
[11:29] <seb128> #2  0x080608a7 in ?? ()
[11:29] <seb128> #3  0x003a67f9 in tp_channel_manager_create_channel (manager=0x0,
[11:29] <seb128>     request_token=0x8c7c6b0, request_properties=0x8e40a00)
[11:29] <seb128>     at channel-manager.c:683
[11:29] <seb128> #4  0x0037551b in conn_requests_offer_request (self=<value optimized out>,
[11:29] <seb128> cassidy, enjoy
[11:29] <cassidy> seb128, can you add that on the bug please?
[11:29] <seb128> cassidy, yes
[11:30] <cassidy> thx
[11:36] <dpm> good morning didrocks. I'll misuse you as support center for unity again, if that's ok. On the netbook where I've got unity, when logging in using the normal desktop session, all windows are opened without the maximize, close, and minimize buttons. I cannot right-click on the menu bar, either. Any ideas on how to restore the buttons?
[11:36] <pitti> sounds like it's trying the global menu bar there?
[11:38] <didrocks> dpm: if you Alt + click with the mouse and drag it somewhere else, doesn't the decorator appear?
[11:38] <didrocks> dpm: do you save your session or something fun like that? :)
[11:39] <dpm> didrocks, yeah, they appear when I drag them. No, I haven't saved the session for years, since I realised that it didn't quite work :)
[11:40] <didrocks> dpm: ok, so the application is saving its position, and so the decorator is hidden under gnome-panel, right?
[11:40] <dpm> didrocks, now that you are saying, I'd guess so
[11:41] <didrocks> dpm: not sure we can easily fix that though :/
[11:42] <dpm> didrocks, oh, so it's not an issue with settings, but rather a bug? Does this affect all 1024px-wide screens?
[11:43] <dpm> it used to be fine with the earlier UNR and switching back and forth between desktop and UNR sessions
[11:43] <didrocks> dpm: it affects all computers when you run unity and switch to desktop I would say. The decorator is hidden in unity, so the position of the window is saved (from the topmost of it), but then, when you readd decorator and such, the position shouldn't be the same
[11:43] <didrocks> yeah, because it was a separate process which removed decoratoros
[11:43] <didrocks> decorators
[11:43] <didrocks> here, it's mutter stripping them
[11:44] <dpm> didrocks, ok, so shall I just go along and file a bug?
[11:44] <didrocks> dpm: sure
[11:44] <didrocks> against unity upstream and unity package itself
[11:44] <didrocks> (it's the plugin which strips than)
[11:45] <dpm> ok, will do, thanks didrocks!
[11:45] <didrocks> dpm: thank you :)
[11:50] <seb128> didrocks, bug #651953
[11:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 651953 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "strange thumb of copy dialog (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651953
[11:50] <seb128> did you see bugs similar to that before?
[11:51] <didrocks> looking
[11:51] <didrocks> seb128: no I didn't, let me check again
[11:52] <didrocks> seb128: but I always stop the copy for another bug, so let it completing
[11:52] <Riddell> TheMuso: ping
[11:55] <didrocks> seb128: no remaining stub there
[11:55] <seb128> ok
[11:55] <seb128> I've to go for lunch
[11:55] <seb128> bbl
[11:55] <didrocks> seb128: enjoy :)
[12:15] <zyga> any unity authors around?
[12:16] <zyga> I found a rather odd bug when running unity at 2048x1152
[12:17] <seb128> zyga, you should better describe your bug there or on #ayatana
[12:17] <zyga> seb128, thanks
[12:18] <seb128> other people that whoever you call authors can perhaps reply
[12:56] <dpm> hi seb128, I'm asking you because you were the last uploader. I realize it might be way too late for maverick, in which case we might have to leave it for natty, but it seems that the Launchpad translations were not imported for xdg-user-dirs (bug 549088). Would it be possible to include them in the package?
[12:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 549088 in xdg-user-dirs (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please, update /usr/share/locale/xx/LC_MESSAGES/xdg-user-dirs.mo using translations from Launchpad (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549088
[12:57] <seb128> dpm, right, we got none of those done this cycle
[12:57] <seb128> ie shared-mime-info
[12:57] <seb128> or yelp
[12:57] <seb128> or xdg-user-dirs
[12:57] <seb128> I was on holidays around the time those are uploaded usually
[12:57] <seb128> nobody picked up on the task
[13:02] <dpm> seb128, no worries, thanks for the clarification - and I hope you had some nice holidays :) I don't think they are that critical, so if they cannot be exported this cycle, let's aim for the next. Do you think there might be a better way to track when they need to be exported in case you are not around? We've got them listed on the wiki and we reuse bugs for some of them: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline I'm just wondering if
[13:02] <dpm> there might be an easier way
[13:03] <seb128> I don't think there is a better way no...
[13:03] <asac> did desktop team get reports about unity not starting at all?
[13:03] <seb128> we just need somebody available with time to do those
[13:03] <seb128> didrocks, ^ asac's question
[13:04] <didrocks> asac: there are some, especially with ati card, why?
[13:04] <asac> alf_ cannot see unity starting on his desktop
[13:04] <seb128> dpm, I guess dropping a reminder on the devel list next cycle about "it's time to do export for those: ..." could help
[13:04] <seb128> dpm, bonus if you have urls to translations export ready to use
[13:04] <asac> didrocks: i915 is his
[13:05] <seb128> dpm, rather than having us to figure where to go in launchpad to get an export etc
[13:05] <didrocks> asac: not with intel, there is something with i965, but not that one… davidbarth ^^
[13:05] <seb128> dpm, then having to wait on launchpad to do the export
[13:05] <dpm> seb128, ok, I'll take a note, thanks!
[13:05] <seb128> dpm, you're welcome
[13:05] <dpm> seb128, I'll work on the bonus point as well :)
[13:05] <seb128> ;-)
[13:05] <seb128> dpm, you rock!
[13:06] <dpm> thanks seb128 :-) Everyone rocks!
[13:11] <didrocks> asac: and yes, some ati card doesn't support the gl effects used by unity
[13:11] <didrocks> asac: maybe it's the same with i915
[13:11] <didrocks> asac: let me ping njpatel about it ^^
[13:26] <cyphermox> pitti, I was going to update the lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk-vnc/u
[13:27] <cyphermox> *buntu branch after the fix was sponsored
[13:27] <cyphermox> unless you believe I shouldn't bother?
[13:29] <pitti> cyphermox: we can just switch to the lp:ubuntu/ one now, IMHO
[13:29] <cyphermox> pitti, ok
[13:36] <davidbarth> asac: i915, it's below our requirements i think; it doesn't have FBO support afaict
[13:40] <Cimi> davidbarth: did you have time to try my branch?
[13:42] <davidbarth> Cimi: hi
[13:42] <davidbarth> Cimi: which one?
[13:42] <davidbarth> oh, icons
[13:43] <davidbarth> nope, need a bug and a milestone to track that more closely
[13:44] <Cimi> ok
[13:55] <davidbarth> Cimi: here is what i get: http://imagebin.org/116943
[13:55] <davidbarth> Cimi: looks like the triangle needs to be adjusted then
[13:56] <davidbarth> Cimi: let's see with chaotic what he thinks
[13:56] <Cimi> davidbarth: we have two solutions
[13:57] <chaotic> davidbarth: looks a bit close
[13:57] <Cimi> davidbarth: 1) add 1 px of padding around each side of the icon, that will enlarge menuitem's height (which is *ugly*)
[13:57] <davidbarth> chaotic: right, but now the icons at the top of the menu do have a more consistent size
[13:58] <Cimi> davidbarth: 2) reduce the dimension of the triangle, or its aspect ratio
[13:58] <davidbarth> the triangle size is based on the equivalent indicator in unity
[13:58] <Cimi> davidbarth: another consideration: we have to take in mind that the most used icons (chat, email, broadcast, pidgin) work much better
[13:58] <davidbarth> ie, the markers for active applications are 5x9 in unity a.t.m.
[13:59] <Cimi> davidbarth: so I would stick with the current situation
[13:59] <Cimi> it's much better to have the triangle close to the icon
[14:00] <Cimi> davidbarth: than every menuitem with 2px of more height
[14:00] <Cimi> davidbarth: because a different approach (just adding padding to the left of the icon)
[14:00] <Cimi> davidbarth: requires patching gtk+ which is not acceptable as we are in freeze
[14:01] <Cimi> davidbarth: if it's ok for you I'll have my interview with seb
[14:01] <Cimi> davidbarth: do you need anything else?
[14:04] <davidbarth> Cimi: go ahed, i'm just comparing screenshots; i think we'll have to shrink the triangle
[14:04] <davidbarth> chaotic: would that be ok to shrink it a bit?
[14:05] <chaotic> davidbarth: maybe by 1px
[14:06] <davidbarth> trying that atm
[14:11] <davidbarth> chaotic, Cimi: see http://imagebin.org/116946 (with a 4x9 triangle)
[14:12] <chaotic> davidbarth: becoming a bit un-noticeable
[14:15] <davidbarth> chaotic: then, there is a deeper issue to solve to adopt consistent margins within icons
[14:15] <davidbarth> chaotic: hopping on a call; let's see with Cimi when he is back as well
[14:17] <alf_> asac: can you please copy the updated mutter package from ppa:afrantzis/clutter-1.2 to armel1?
[14:17] <asac> yes
[14:17] <asac> one sec
[14:18] <asac> done alf_
[14:25] <alf_> asac: thanks!
[14:30] <Cimi> davidbarth: chaotic: cimi and seb are back from their chat :D
[14:38] <dpm> hey pitti, afternoon. It seems that the language-selector translation was not exported in the latest language pack, and thus it is untranslated in all languages. I've re-checked that the template has got the "Include translations for this template in language packs?" checkbox active and it has, so I can't understand why this has happened. Do you have any pointers on what to look into?
[14:42] <chaotic> Cimi: how'd it go?
[14:43] <Cimi> chaotic: ask seb128 in query for spoilers :D I hope well
[14:46] <kenvandine> seb128, pitivi and pygoocanvas crasher uploaded
[14:47] <kenvandine> s/crasher/crasher fix/
[14:47] <kenvandine> :)
[14:48] <popey> ooo oo ooo!
[14:48] <popey> I had a great idea for gwibber in the shower this morning, now I've forgotten
[14:48] <popey> sorry, that wasn't very helpful.
[14:51] <kenvandine> popey, bummer....
[14:51] <kenvandine> popey, go take another shower :)
[14:51] <popey> :)
[14:55] <cassidy> seb128, didrocks: http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?h=gnome-2-32  you already have the first commit but not the second one
[14:56] <seb128> Cimi, yeah it went well don't worry ;-)
[14:56] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, great
[14:56] <seb128> cassidy, what second?
[14:57] <seb128> there is like a page of commits
[14:57] <didrocks> http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?h=gnome-2-32&id=6c7d6ae27283e2a54b97198baedfe9c26b812b46
[14:57] <didrocks> I guess
[14:57] <didrocks> from .1
[14:57] <cassidy> yep
[14:57] <seb128> do we have .1?
[14:57] <cassidy> no as it's distchecking atm :)
[14:57] <cassidy> but I guess it's too late, no ?
[14:57] <cassidy> if not, go for it :)
[14:58] <seb128> it is for release
[14:58] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ can you sru it?
[14:58] <seb128> no hurry that will not go in before next week
[14:58] <kenvandine> empathy?
[14:58] <seb128> kenvandine, it being empathy .1
[14:58] <kenvandine> ah... sure
[14:58]  * didrocks looks for logs for scripts in casper-bottoms
[14:58] <seb128> ie the tarball cassidy is rolling
[14:59] <cassidy> should be out in a bit
[15:00] <seb128> session restart brb
[15:06] <milanbv> WOH don't we ship /usr/lib/vorbisfile.pc, which is included upstream?! :/
[15:12] <cassidy> kenvandine, released
[15:16] <kenvandine> cassidy, thx :)
[15:23] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[15:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you still have 3 workitems to todo
[15:23] <seb128> could you clean them? ie set them as done or postponed
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - oops, yeah, will do that now
[15:23] <seb128> mterry, ^ you seem to have a whole spec there as well
[15:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[15:24] <mterry> seb128, oh, yeah, that's not really mine.  let me unassign
[15:24] <seb128> mpt, ^ you have a workitem to figure what to do with chromium and appmenu, time to defer it?
[15:24] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[15:25] <davidbarth> Cimi: need to see with chaotic what to do with the icon patch
[15:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - done
[15:25] <mpt> seb128, I didn't know that page existed
[15:25] <davidbarth> Cimi: he was saying the triangle is starting to disappear when i shortened it by one pixel
[15:26] <seb128> mpt, you don't know about workitems?
[15:27] <mpt> seb128, oh, I see, that's the page linked to from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/FeatureStatus
[15:31] <seb128> mpt, well http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/
[15:32] <seb128> mpt, those a workitems tracking for all teams
[15:35] <seb128> Riddell, Cimi: btw I can confirm that the qt update in maverick fixes the light themes issues
[15:37] <Cimi> seb128: Riddell cool
[16:09] <asac> didrocks: unity has all those widgets and elements right? ... is there a way to set an env or setting disable a few (or all) of them?
[16:09] <didrocks> asac: you mean, the systray and some indicators?
[16:09] <Cimi> davidbarth: do you have skype?
[16:09] <didrocks> asac: you just need to not install the corresponding indicator service element
[16:09] <asac> like disable places and launcher etc
[16:10] <asac> didrocks: no i mean real clutter actors
[16:10] <asac> not sure what in unity is really a clutter actor, but i think places launcher panel to begin with ;)
[16:10] <didrocks> asac: for places, just remove the place corresponding package
[16:10] <didrocks> and for launcher, it's just a set of favorites in gconf (/desktop/unity)
[16:10] <asac> i dont care atm about anythingthat is not started by mutter --plugin=libunity-mutter
[16:11] <davidbarth> Cimi: sure
[16:11] <asac> didrocks: i dont want to remove individual places or launchers ....  i want to remove the whole places and launcher facility
[16:12] <didrocks> asac: I think there no such way apart from removing the packages (or deleting /usr/share/unity/places/*) and changing the gconf keys
[16:12] <didrocks> you can't remove the launcher itself
[16:12] <asac> hmm
[16:12] <asac> kk
[16:13] <asac> ;)
[16:13] <asac> would have been too good
[16:32] <Cimi> sabdfl: please poke me when you have more time, I am discussing about the indicator messages with davidbarth
[16:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you didn't upload the fix for bug #646076 I guess?
[16:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 646076 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-display-properties: cannot save systemwide resolution (affects: 11) (dups: 1) (heat: 50)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646076
[16:33] <Cimi> sabdfl: I know you might be out for a conference, but please feel free to query me
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - not yet, i can do that if you like (but probably as a SRU now?)
[16:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ask on #ubuntu-release I guess
[16:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[16:40] <Cimi> chaotic: I might need to speak with you later
[16:43] <jiang> ArneGoetje: ping
[16:48] <chaotic> Cimi: ok
[17:50] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: weren't you working on getting an yelp with updated translations uploaded?
[17:51] <didrocks> pitti was doing it AFAIK. But I think the upload was done on langpack directly
[17:51] <seb128> ok
[17:52] <seb128> well the langpacks are not used for the startpage
[17:52] <seb128> but if the issue was not with that one that's ok
[17:57] <kenvandine> seb128, so upload empathy to maverick-proposed?
[17:57] <seb128> kenvandine, yes
[17:57] <kenvandine> ok
[17:59] <seb128> it's time for sport and dinner, I will be back later
[18:06] <devildante> mvo, around?
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> well, i'm glad that i don't park my car on the road outside my house!
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> i've just watched somebody drive straight in to a parked car
[18:23] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, ugh... glad it wasn't your's!
[18:23] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, i've learnt my lesson, after the exact same thing happened to my car a couple of years ago ;)
[18:23] <kenvandine> :)
[18:24] <chrisccoulson> it seems people don't know how to navigate parked cars down here, despite the fact that you could fit 2 double decker buses down our road....
[18:32] <mvo> devildante: sorry, I need to leave now (and play hockey, yeah!) - but I merged your branch, many thanks again for it
[18:32] <mvo> devildante: I will be around tomorrow again
[18:32] <devildante> thanks, I guess :p
[18:32] <devildante> (too late!)
[18:33] <devildante> question: can we add new features to software-properties, now that the natty cycle has nearly begun?
[18:45] <anmar`> tremolux: hello gary.
[18:46] <tremolux> hey anmar!
[18:46] <devildante> tremolux: hey! :)
[18:46] <anmar`> tremolux: hey there.. who looks after the gnome-power-manager in Ubuntu. There is a serious bug I am trying to get their attention to.
[18:46] <tremolux> devildante: hiya!
[18:47] <devildante> tremolux: "question: can we add new features to software-properties, now that the natty cycle has nearly begun?"
[18:47] <devildante> maybe you could answer me? :)
[18:50] <tremolux> anmar`: not sure actually, let me check, else we can ask somebody, pitti?
[18:50] <tremolux> anmar`: I see lots of folks in the changelog
[18:52] <anmar`> tremolux: ok.. I will check there and digg around. thanks.
[18:52] <tremolux> pitti: hi!  anmar` is asking who looks after gnome-power-manager?
[18:52] <tremolux> anmar`: hang on, somebody will know I'm sure  ;)
[18:53] <anmar`> tremolux: ok :)
[18:54] <tremolux> chrisccoulson, kenvandine:  ^^ if you got a sec?
[18:54] <chrisccoulson> hi
[18:54] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: hey  :)
[18:55] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: anmar`just asking who looks after gnome-power-manager
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> lots of people ;)
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> what's up with it?
[18:55] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: heh, yes, seems so  :)
[18:55] <tremolux> anmar`: ^^
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> mostly pitti (and sometimes me) though
[18:56] <anmar`> chrisccoulson: as of  late, battery mode doesn't spin down the hard driver
[18:56] <anmar`> chrisccoulson: here is a bug I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/654561
[18:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654561 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power Manager Default Settings for Battery, don't permit the hard drive to spin down (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:57] <chrisccoulson> doesn't sound like a gnome-power-manager problem....
[18:57] <anmar`> chrisccoulson: sorry.. I didn't know what else to file it agaisnt. I just assumed it is power manager
[18:57] <tremolux> devildante: sorry for delay, so I would think it's safe to start a branch from trunk if you've got something you'd like to work on
[18:58] <tremolux> devildante: always good to coordinate with mvo of course
[18:58] <cyphermox_> pm-utils?
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> yeah, probably
[18:58] <devildante> tremolux: I already started :p https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-properties/updates-redesign/+merge/30889
[18:58] <anmar`> tremolux: thanks for the help. BTW, I tried to search for mutt in software centre and couldn't find it. Mutter showed up instead :)
[18:59] <tremolux> devildante: good good  :D
[19:01] <tremolux> anmar`: ah yes, that's because mutt is hidden by default as a "technical" package, just click the "Show nn technical items" at the bottom of the list
[19:02] <anmar`> tremolux: ah.. I see.. thanks :)
[19:02] <tremolux> anmar`: yeah, hopefully that's not too hidden down there  :-/
[20:27] <asac> njpatel_: why is http://paste.ubuntu.com/505929/ supposed to fail?
[20:28] <asac> the test fails for me because it seems its not failing here
[20:28] <njpatel_> asac, because the overloaded function is meant to be called
[20:29] <njpatel_> asac, but if your using a no-effects branch, it's probably not even reaching that point
[20:29] <njpatel_> asac, it probably needs to be disabled/reworked
[20:30] <asac> njpatel_: no-effects branch? AFAUI our gles port has effects
[20:31] <asac> its strange. i think all tests were working for jazh and also work for alf_ on his beagle, but for me it fails with software mesa gles
[20:31] <asac>   actor = ctk_effect_get_actor (effect);
[20:31] <asac>   g_return_if_fail (CLUTTER_IS_ACTOR (actor));
[20:31] <asac> njpatel_: so thats supposed to fail, right?
[20:31] <njpatel_> that test doesn't even do anything special with gl, it's just meant to use the warning sysem to catch that the ctk_effect_paint() call was handled by the right functions
[20:32] <njpatel_> asac, yep
[20:32] <asac> hmm
[20:32] <asac> so you say that func is not called by our impl? let me add a print there
[20:32] <njpatel_> maybe the code changed and they didnt' update the test?
[20:33] <asac> who is "they"? linaro?
[20:33] <asac> njpatel_: ? or your team?
[20:33] <njpatel_> yes, sorry
[20:33] <njpatel_> team
[20:33] <asac> so yeah the ctk_effect_test_paint seems to be not called at all now
[20:33] <njpatel_> though Im just guessing there
[20:34]  * asac check if CtkEffectClass has paint func still
[20:36] <asac> ok seems running the tests from top level directory was a bad idea to start with ;)
[20:37] <asac> but it didnt cure Paint :/
[20:40] <asac> njpatel_: so do you know if /Effect/Paint works for you atm with gl?
[20:41] <njpatel_> asac, just tested, it works
[20:41] <njpatel_> i need to go now, mail me if your still running into issues
[20:42] <asac> kk
[21:01] <asac> didrocks: there?
[21:01] <asac> didrocks: could you try bzr branch lp:clutk ... build it, install it and run make check?
[21:01] <asac> does that succeed for you?
[21:01]  * asac gets error in /Effect/Paint test
[21:02] <asac> wonder if its our hacked clutter here in linaro ;)
[21:02] <didrocks> asac: will try (branching and building during shower)
[21:02] <asac> didrocks: thats the right attitude ;) ... too much non-productive time ;)
[21:02] <asac> didrocks: ensure to have all the build depends installed before going for shower ;)
[21:02] <asac> thanks!
[21:03] <asac> (doesnt take long to build so you could do it after shower ;))
[21:03] <didrocks> asac: exactly, every second not working is a loss of time, trying to optimize :)
[21:03] <didrocks> damned! rick isn't there :-p
[21:03] <asac> perfect thats what i constantly do :-Ü
[21:03] <asac> haha
[21:03] <didrocks> asac: can we redo that conversion once he's back? ;)))
[21:03] <asac> didrocks: sure whenever you like. if you want more story elements let me know :-P
[21:04] <didrocks> ;)
[21:04]  * asac unhappy aobut failing test cases when he is supposed to fix a backend
[21:04] <asac> talk to you in 30minutes i guess then
[21:05] <didrocks> yeah, bbl
[21:05]  * asac takes a smoke shower :-P
[21:05] <didrocks> hehe :-)
[21:05] <asac> go!!!
[21:05] <asac> :-P
[21:05]  * asac out for a bit
[21:13] <didrocks> asac: it seems to be some kind of fail: http://paste.ubuntu.com/505954/
[21:18] <asac> hmm something is really wrong this cycle with copy paste in gnome-terminal
[21:18] <asac> didrocks: yeah
[21:18] <asac> didrocks: cd tests/
[21:18] <asac> ./test-clutk
[21:18] <asac> what do you get?
[21:19] <asac> quick shower btw ... almost world record i guess. well optimized!!
[21:19] <didrocks> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/505965/
[21:19] <didrocks> heh, yeah, otpimization :-)
[21:25] <seb128> re
[21:25] <asac> hmm
[21:25] <asac> didrocks: so Paint works for you ... interesting
[21:25] <seb128> so who has some free slots still today there?
[21:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, mterry? ;-)
[21:26] <devildante> hmm, slots?
[21:26] <devildante> what's that?
[21:26] <asac> is mterry in desktop team now?
[21:26] <chrisccoulson> hi!
[21:26] <didrocks> asac: I run it under mutter if that can make a difference (clutter should already been initialized)
[21:26] <chrisccoulson> i haven't really got any free slots unfortunately. washing up to do ;)
[21:26] <seb128> asac, yes
[21:26] <asac> didrocks: hmm ... i doub that makes a difference
[21:27] <asac> seb128: swap?
[21:27] <seb128> chrisccoulson, lucky you, enjoy your evening :p
[21:27] <devildante> If you want someone to help you with something, I'm here :p
[21:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - thanks
[21:27] <chrisccoulson> what did you need doing anyway?
[21:27] <seb128> asac, no, he filed one of the opportunistic hacker positions
[21:27] <asac> hah
[21:27] <asac> lucky man
[21:27] <seb128> asac, you should read your emails about staff updates: p
[21:27] <asac> erm
[21:27] <asac> atm thats a problem ;)
[21:28] <asac> no comment
[21:39] <cyphermox_> seb128, I can help as well (sorry for the delay ;)
[21:40] <seb128> cyphermox_, did you work on gnome-settings-daemon before?
[21:41] <cyphermox_> I might have
[21:41] <cyphermox_> I don't remember. does it matter?
[21:41] <seb128> not so much
[21:41] <seb128> I was trying to find somebody interested to debug bug #640807
[21:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640807 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Forces low refresh rate on CRT monitor (affects: 8) (dups: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640807
[21:41] <cyphermox_> cool.
[21:42] <seb128> it's an issue with the xrandr code in g-s-d
[21:42] <cyphermox_> seb128, ok. maybe I even have a crt here to test with
[21:48] <seb128> cyphermox_, mterry: I've dropped some extra infos on the bug
[21:49] <seb128> there are probably different things there
[21:50] <seb128> one issue is that g-s-d picks wrong configs in some cases
[21:50] <seb128> the other one is that g-s-d should probably let xorg alone by default
[21:53] <seb128> cyphermox_, I don't think it's specific to crt monitors
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> right, that's more RAM on order :-)
[21:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you manage to empty slots?
[21:57] <seb128> or do you just sell what you have a buy higher capacity chips
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i'm going to replace the current sticks i have
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> it's not good that my laptop only has 2 slots in though, i can only put 4GB in it :/
[22:01] <seb128> ok, they are called "sticks"
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> which isn't really enough
[22:02] <seb128> I was not sure about that ;-)
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[22:02] <seb128> a laptop is not a workstation ;-)
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think i'll be getting another machine soon
[22:10] <seb128> well I'm happy using my laptop only
[22:10] <seb128> but I don't build firefox
[22:10] <seb128> ;-)
[22:10]  * micahg has a laptop that builds firefox just fine :)
[22:11] <seb128> the goal is to still be able to use the machine while it builds though :p
[22:12]  * micahg should try FF with -j5 and a flash video :)
[22:12] <ari-tczew> hey, is there any plan about upgrade epiphany in maverick?
[22:12] <micahg> I was thinking about it
[22:12]  * micahg is running out of time
[22:12] <ari-tczew> I'm just triaging bug 562538.
[22:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 562538 in epiphany-browser (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "epiphany-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_tree_model_get_iter_first() (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 41)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562538
[22:13] <micahg> looks like 2.30.2-.6 is just bug fixes
[22:14] <micahg> there's an RC bug for it as well
[22:15] <ari-tczew> micahg: I can prepare a patch for fix it, if there are not any plans about upgrade.
[22:16] <micahg> ari-tczew: how about just doing the merge?
[22:17] <ari-tczew> micahg: no problem for me. what about ubuntu-release?
[22:17] <micahg> ari-tczew: well, the question is any of this from .3-.6 not bug fix: http://git.gnome.org/browse/epiphany/tree/NEWS?id=74c744ef90bfbc260da5c1dcb705132851e49e7a
[22:21] <ari-tczew> micahg: do you asking about new features since 3-6 ?
[22:21] <micahg> ari-tczew: yeah, if it's bug fix only, no release ACK needed, but you got the ACK anyways, so go to it :)
[22:27] <ari-tczew> micahg: upstream changelog seems to say that the most changes are 'fix', so I think that there are not UI/API changes.
[22:28] <ari-tczew> micahg: so it's ok for merge (technical), but no policy. there are a lot of bugs requested in LP, I
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> it's only a stable update, it will be fine
[22:28] <ari-tczew> I might to spend a lot of time for triaging.
[22:28] <micahg> ari-tczew: right, but technically any "enhancements" need  release team ACK
[22:29] <ari-tczew> micahg: ScottK as ubuntu-release is abstained for this one, so I think I can prepare a merge
[22:29] <micahg> ari-tczew: yes, right, I already said that above as well :)
[22:29]  * micahg is curious if epiphany falls under the GNOME SRU exemption though
[22:29]  * ari-tczew feels a little bit proud due to merging epiphany-browser. :P
[22:33] <ari-tczew> micahg, chrisccoulson: what do you think about merge without traging 140 bugs?
[22:33] <micahg> ari-tczew: it's fine
[22:33] <ari-tczew> lazy is a little reason, but I don't have too much free time to triaging
[22:34] <ari-tczew> anyway, it's sad
[22:34] <micahg> ari-tczew: have you seen the number of New Firefox and Thunderbird bugs :)
[22:34] <ari-tczew> pedro_: ping
[22:35] <micahg> ari-tczew: I try to look through the bugs when I do a merge, but that's quite a few to worry about, we should have another bug day got epiphany maybe :)
[22:35] <ari-tczew> pedro_: unping, my mistake, sorry.
[22:35] <seb128> epiphany-browser is a GNOME component
[22:35] <seb128> but it's late in the cycle even for GNOME updates
[22:35] <micahg> seb128: in general though, even though it's unseeded, it still has the SRU exemption?
[22:35] <ari-tczew> seb128: so, merge is not possible?
[22:35] <seb128> the exception has nothing to do with where the component is in the archive
[22:36] <ari-tczew> (right now)
[22:36] <micahg> seb128: cool, so gnome-shell would be the same thing then?
[22:36] <seb128> GNOME has an exception because they schedule matches ours
[22:36] <seb128> they also have string freezes, code freezes, etc
[22:36] <seb128> no, g-s is not an official GNOME component
[22:36] <seb128> yet
[22:36] <seb128> it didn't have any stable release
[22:37] <seb128> ari-tczew, not sure what you call merge
[22:37] <micahg> seb128: ah, ok, is that the way to tell
[22:37] <seb128> now is not the time to do merges on debian
[22:37] <ari-tczew> seb128: merge 2.30.6 from Debian unstable
[22:37] <seb128> you can upload an update or bugfix backport though
[22:37] <ari-tczew> seb128: another way is apply patch to fix this one.
[22:37] <seb128> the less change, the easier the review, the better to get it accepted by release team
[22:38] <seb128> so you should probably just backport the fix you need yes
[22:38] <ari-tczew> seb128: backport one patch? lol
[22:38] <micahg> seb128: unseeded freeze is Wed at noon UTC
[22:39] <seb128> ari-tczew, why lol?
[22:39] <ari-tczew> seb128: I think that the best call for this one is cherry pick
[22:39] <seb128> I'm not a native english speaker
[22:39] <ari-tczew> seb128: I'm not too.
[22:39] <seb128> but you can make fun of my english vocabulary if you want
[22:39] <seb128> it's not very constructive though
[22:40] <ari-tczew> seb128: btw. bug fixes for universe no need ACK ubuntu-release.
[22:40] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: ping
[22:40] <seb128> nothing need specific ack to get uploaded
[22:40] <seb128> but ubuntu-release will review uploads in the queue and accept those or not
[22:40] <ari-tczew> seb128: new upstream release needs ACK.
[22:41] <seb128> no
[22:41] <seb128> non bug fix upload need acks
[22:42] <ari-tczew> perhaps
[22:42] <seb128> if the new version is a stable update fixing only issues you can upload
[22:42] <seb128> it's better to have a bug corresponding to the upload in any case
[22:42] <ari-tczew> seb128: so, new upstream bug-fix release can upload without ACK
[22:42] <seb128> yes
[22:42] <seb128> things will be acked or not when they are reviewed in the queue
[22:43] <ari-tczew> OK, let's summarize our discussion.
[22:43] <ari-tczew> The better way to fix one bug is upload one patch instead merging new upstream from Debian.
[22:43] <seb128> yes
[22:44] <ari-tczew> I'm going to prepare a patch and test.
[22:44] <seb128> with a reference to the bug you fix in the changelog
[22:44] <seb128> great
[22:44] <ari-tczew> I'm setting bug assigned to me.
[22:48] <didrocks> good evening everyone
[22:49] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: pong
[22:49] <TheMuso> /c/c
[22:49] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: hello, did you try reproduce bug in g-s-d?
[22:51] <ari-tczew> seb128: btw. I can merge epiphany-browser when natty is open.
[22:52] <seb128> ok
[22:52] <seb128> enough work for me today
[22:52] <seb128> bye
[22:53] <kenvandine> damn... just missed him :)
[22:56] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: why? does it still happen?
[22:58] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: I'm going to test in 5 minutes.
[23:05] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: seems to be fine. setting as fixed.