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| RAOF | Hm. Who was kees pointing at me? I've got the ping, not the context from backscroll. | 00:43 |
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| ScottK | RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/505382/ | 00:51 |
| RAOF | Ah, ok. Yeah, we don't really use the video group anymore, and *something* needs to handle setting appropriate permissions on the DRI/whatever kernel device. Sounds like a job for consolekit, to me - give the active seat access to the hardware. | 00:54 |
| RAOF | I think the nvidia device is world-writable, for that matter, so having the arm drivers use a world-writable node won't be any worse than nvidia :) | 00:56 |
| penguin42 | yeuch | 01:22 |
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| kees | RAOF: the question was about how the graphics devices get their facl for the current user to use it. (e.g. getfacl /dev/dri/card0) for the case where ARM needs a 3d device for some special graphics driver it uses | 02:30 |
| kees | RAOF: specifically, ogra was trying to sort it out | 02:31 |
| RAOF | Ah. I always assumed that it was consolekit that did the magic there; it seemed to be in-scope. | 02:31 |
| RAOF | Also, I haven't noticed an example of that magic _failing_, so I haven't investigated too closely :) | 02:32 |
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| james_w | maxb: there are no others now I think. I retried all the others after adding the tags manually, as I believe I fixed the bug that was causing the tags to be missing a while ago. | 02:53 |
| james_w | maxb: if there are more then we can file a new bug | 02:53 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:15 |
| ion | that | 06:25 |
| pitti | Riddell: current kubuntu desktops are 1 MB oversized; fixed in the seeds, next dailies will be ~ 696 MB | 06:37 |
| sladen | pitti: when will the next dailies be? | 06:40 |
| sladen | (I assume you're doing them manually) | 06:41 |
| pitti | sladen: 0414 UTC every day | 06:41 |
| pitti | sorry, 0314 | 06:41 |
| pitti | sladen: no, cron jobs are back on | 06:41 |
| pitti | mr_pouit: is lp:~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.maverick still the correct branch for xubuntu seeds? I added some langpacks on Friday, but current CD still doesn't have them | 06:44 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ^ | 06:44 |
| pitti | (no error on livefs build logs) | 06:45 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:40 |
| ari-tczew | hello | 08:45 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: that's the correct branch, yes | 09:11 |
| cjwatson | pitti: the language packs seem to be on the Xubuntu alternate CD | 09:12 |
| cjwatson | pitti: (you only changed ship) | 09:12 |
| pitti | cjwatson: erk, silly me; thans | 09:14 |
| pitti | thanks, too | 09:14 |
| Wubbbi | Hey guys. I have an issue and this issue I have in the hole time of Ubuntu. But now it is realy getting on my nervs. Evolution is the word! I got a screen resolution of 1028x600 ... A Netbook. And Evolution is not going to fit on my screen. There are may parts of it which are going out of my screen thus I can click on some Icons or buttoms. Is it possible to fix it? Nothing helped yet. Even if I get on Fullscreen mode, it still not fits | 09:31 |
| Wubbbi | . Anyone can confirm it or even help me. I realy have to work with evolution! | 09:31 |
| micahg | Wubbbi: bug 645753 | 09:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 645753 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution unusable on small 8" (1024 x 600) netbook screen's." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645753 | 09:32 |
| Wubbbi | micahg: ok thx. Will this be fixed in Ubuntu 10.10? | 09:32 |
| micahg | Wubbbi: I can't say for sure, but highly unlikely at this point | 09:32 |
| Wubbbi | micahg: This is bad. Thus I have to deinstall evolution now and I have to work with Thunderbird. This is not a personal atack but it realy sucks because I realy want to use this programm. Well ok. You cant do anything for it | 09:34 |
| maxb | james_w: There appear to be 31 current NoSuchTag UDD failures, which is a lot more than mentioned in the latest update of bug 494481. I was thinking of going through some of the ones that don't appear to be caused by improper merging by humans, and listing the tags needing adding and a summary of where they appear to have got lost, if that would be useful? | 09:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 494481 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "Too easy for people to not use merge-upstream" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494481 | 09:35 |
| Wubbbi | Ha! LoL! When I'm going to delete Evolution, it wants me to delete 50% of ubuntu ... -_- | 09:36 |
| directhex | Wubbbi: deleting evolution-data-server will cause that | 09:38 |
| directhex | Wubbbi: several evolution libraries are hard to remove independently, as they're sued for things like systemwide contacts, calendaring in the gnome clock, stuff like that | 09:38 |
| Wubbbi | directhex: I know. But what does it bring for me when I cant use evolution. What do I need data-server for? | 09:38 |
| directhex | Wubbbi: just the evolution client should be removable, though | 09:39 |
| Wubbbi | hmmm ... ok data-server still exsist -.- ... Well still I'm not that happy ;) | 09:40 |
| jibel | mvo, I don't understand bug 631426 . I can only think of an unsynced mirror or what else ? This is the last u-m dist-upgrade untriaged bug. | 09:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 631426 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Upgrade 10.04 -> 10.10 failed due to "the essential package 'ubuntu-minimal' can not be found anymore"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631426 | 09:46 |
| cjwatson | ari-tczew: I uploaded palo to Debian with that patch the other day, BTW | 09:48 |
| ari-tczew | cjwatson: yes I saw, thanks :) | 09:53 |
| lucidfox | didrocks, re: "Just uninstall indicator-appmenu and the fallback for all applications indicator will be the systray." | 10:00 |
| lucidfox | Shouldn't that be indicator-applet? | 10:01 |
| didrocks | lucidfox: ooupsssss, you're right. Well, indicator-applet-appmenu to be exact | 10:01 |
| didrocks | lucidfox: do you have the bug # handy? | 10:01 |
| lucidfox | wait, isn't appmenu the global menu bar? | 10:02 |
| lucidfox | Liferea uses the messaging indicator, which is removed (IIRC) by uninstalling indicator-messages | 10:02 |
| lucidfox | bug #540490 | 10:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 540490 in liferea (Ubuntu) "liferea should be added to the indicator applet" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540490 | 10:03 |
| didrocks | lucidfox: right, I'm not really awake today it seems, I was waiting for indicator-applet-application and relying on shell completion, but it's indicator-applet for whatever reason… :) | 10:03 |
| mvo | jibel: thanks, let me have a look | 10:05 |
| didrocks | lucidfox: added a comment. Thanks for the notice :) | 10:06 |
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| YokoZar | can I add a multiverse library to ia32-libs? | 10:58 |
| cjwatson | no | 11:00 |
| cjwatson | can the multiverse library be given a lib32xxx package instead? | 11:00 |
| mvo | jibel: I updated the bugreport, I suspect there is something there that always servers zero files | 11:06 |
| mvo | jibel: that is the only idea I have about this bug at this point | 11:06 |
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| cjwatson | mvo,jibel: do either of you happen to know what's going on with bug 597017 and its vast number of duplicates? it looks as if some package management frontend is broken, but I don't know which | 11:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 597017 in man-db (Ubuntu) "package man-db 2.5.7-2 failed to install/upgrade: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable while processing triggers for man-db" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597017 | 11:12 |
| cjwatson | perhaps jockey? but it's hard to tell for sure whether that accounts for all of them | 11:14 |
| cjwatson | and doesn't seem to account for the current master bug, if nothing else | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | (in which the root user action appears to be "install chromium-browser-inspector" | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | ) | 11:17 |
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| jibel | cjwatson, no, I haven't been able to find a pattern, sometimes it happens while installing only one package. | 11:19 |
| cjwatson | it's absolutely not a man-db bug, but I have no idea where to reassign it | 11:20 |
| jibel | cjwatson, I thought of apt-daemon doing some weird async thing, but it seems to happen with apt too. | 11:21 |
| cjwatson | man-db is just a canary for package management operations being called in some kind of invalid state | 11:21 |
| mvo | I have to admit that my suspecion was aptdaemon debconf handling as well | 11:21 |
| cjwatson | (because it's triggered by practically everything and it uses debconf) | 11:21 |
| mvo | but if it happens with apt too, then … | 11:21 |
| jibel | e.g reporter of bug 641023 was using apt-get update and simply upgraded dpkg. | 11:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 641023 in man-db (Ubuntu) "package man-db 2.5.7-2 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso script post-installation instalado devolvió el código de salida de error 1 (dup-of: 597017)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641023 | 11:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 597017 in man-db (Ubuntu) "package man-db 2.5.7-2 failed to install/upgrade: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable while processing triggers for man-db" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597017 | 11:25 |
| cjwatson | 'apt-get update' won't upgrade any package ... | 11:27 |
| cjwatson | the thing that did the upgrade wasn't apt-get, it was, as the reporter puts it, "the graphical agent" | 11:27 |
| jibel | cjwatson, fair enough :) | 11:27 |
| cjwatson | (whatever that is) | 11:27 |
| cjwatson | presumably update-manager | 11:27 |
| jibel | bug 578449, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade -y | 11:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 578449 in man-db (Ubuntu) "package man-db 2.5.7-2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 597017)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578449 | 11:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 597017 in man-db (Ubuntu) "package man-db 2.5.7-2 failed to install/upgrade: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable while processing triggers for man-db" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597017 | 11:31 |
| jibel | but maybe there was a software-center running in the background. | 11:31 |
| cjwatson | the thing is that if another package management frontend is running then some other lock should clash | 11:31 |
| cjwatson | except for the specialised use of debconf during initial OS installation, I can't see how the debconf lock should ever be the first one to clash; there should always be something outside it, like the dpkg lock | 11:33 |
| jibel | cjwatson, right, I tried that scenario but the dpkg lock is preventing to install the package. | 11:34 |
| cjwatson | though there doesn't seem to be an apt lock as such apart from the acquire lock, so I suppose races are possible, but I don't get the sense that that's what's going on here | 11:35 |
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| Riddell | mvo: could you comment on bug 653838 ? | 12:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653838 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Lucid Maverick upgrade - kbluetooth is still installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653838 | 12:05 |
| shadeslayer | mvo: doesnt extras.ubuntu.com have a signing key? | 12:06 |
| shadeslayer | W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C1192 | 12:07 |
| ion | shadeslayer: Upgrade. | 12:08 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 12:08 |
| shadeslayer | ion: ok i see a upgrade for ubuntu-keyring, i guess it sorts out the issue | 12:08 |
| shadeslayer | ion: also.. what does extras.ubuntu hold? | 12:09 |
| \sh | the new opportunistic dev apps? | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | shadeslayer: install ubuntu-extras-keyring, actually | 12:10 |
| shadeslayer | \sh: and who has upload rights to that repo? | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | you may have to reinstall it | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | (there was a bug in live CD generation that meant that installations from the RC live CD didn't have the extras key properly installed) | 12:11 |
| shadeslayer | yeah i think i have that ^ | 12:11 |
| \sh | shadeslayer: there was/is a long discussion on u-d about that topic...there is an application developer board which reviews those pkgs | 12:11 |
| mvo | Riddell: looking | 12:11 |
| shadeslayer | hmm.. im subscribed to that list.... i think | 12:12 |
| doko | quadrispro: any update on xvidcap? | 12:12 |
| kklimonda | shadeslayer: extras is for distributing applications that are not part of Ubuntu in any way - they can be dropped in outside of our development cycle, packaged by upstream developers and not as strictly checked | 12:12 |
| Riddell | mvo: I seem to have broken the update-manager build anyway so I guess it needs another upload as it is. but I don't know why kbluetooth wouldn't get removed for him since it's not in the archive any more (it gets removed when I've done upgrades) | 12:12 |
| mvo | Riddell: we can force its removal | 12:12 |
| mvo | Riddell: I did send you a mail about the build btw | 12:12 |
| \sh | doko: thx for the sun-java update :) | 12:12 |
| shadeslayer | kklimonda: does that mean new KDE releases can go into this repo? like KDE 4.5.2 ? | 12:13 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: ^ | 12:13 |
| cjwatson | no | 12:13 |
| \sh | shadeslayer: no | 12:13 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 12:13 |
| kklimonda | shadeslayer: no, it's only for things that are not in archive yet. | 12:13 |
| \sh | shadeslayer: it's all about apps which are not in ubuntu, it's not allowed to update/upgrade already packaged software in ubuntu... | 12:13 |
| shadeslayer | ohh.... | 12:14 |
| quadrispro | hi doko! back to work few hours ago, I've fixed some stuff on the Debian-side, now I'm about to have a deeper look at xvidcap | 12:14 |
| kklimonda | shadeslayer: new KDE should probably be.. backported through -backports ;) | 12:14 |
| shadeslayer | right... | 12:14 |
| kklimonda | shadeslayer: I'm not sure if its feasible for such big projects | 12:14 |
| quadrispro | doko, any idea about the reason it fails to build in the archive? I had success to build it in a cowbuilder chroot :-/ | 12:15 |
| \sh | kklimonda: was the workflow not like this: "upload to a special ppa and when ARB acked this pkg they copy it to the extras archive"? | 12:15 |
| quadrispro | doko, maybe I miss something? | 12:15 |
| shadeslayer | i agree ... i just thought that extras was for new stuff as well as stuff that cant be put into archives since they dont justify a SRU | 12:15 |
| kklimonda | \sh: yes, last time I've heard about it that's how it is supposed to work. | 12:16 |
| shadeslayer | but extras seems to be exclusively for new apps | 12:16 |
| mvo | Riddell: I commited the fix for the kbluetooth issue | 12:21 |
| Riddell | mvo: thanks, I'll fix the build and upload | 12:24 |
| mvo | thanks Riddell | 12:26 |
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| ricotz | YokoZar, hello, what do you think about updating the packaging of ia32-libs for mesa-dri-experimental? like it is done in xorg-edgers ppa | 12:40 |
| YokoZar | ricotz: do you mean adding libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental to ia32-libs? | 12:41 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, like this https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1310260/+listing-archive-extra | 12:41 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, so creating a new package including the 32bit galliums files for optional install | 12:42 |
| YokoZar | ricotz: what's in the new pacakge though? | 12:42 |
| YokoZar | is it just 32 bit libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental? | 12:43 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, yes | 12:43 |
| YokoZar | Then why put it in a separate package and not just add it to the list of crap in ia32-libs? | 12:43 |
| cjwatson | I'd much rather things be in a separate package when possible | 12:44 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, so applications like googleearth could run with 3d acceleration on nouveau if the experimental packages are installed | 12:44 |
| YokoZar | ricotz: it would work if it was part of the same package too, no? | 12:47 |
| cjwatson | seb128: is anyone looking at bug 651254? | 12:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 651254 in devhelp (Ubuntu Maverick) "devhelp fails to build from source in maverick" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651254 | 12:51 |
| YokoZar | ricotz: looking at the package you linked, all it DOES do is add libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental to ia32-libs and then put it in a separate package | 12:52 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, wasn't that fixed with the update which got in after the rc freeze? | 12:53 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, it is better to use a separate package which depends on lib-mesa-dri-experimental | 12:54 |
| tumbleweed | cjwatson: bug 651255 | 12:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 651255 in devhelp (Ubuntu) "FTBFS: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'GtkNotebookPage'" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651255 | 12:55 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, adding it directly to ia32-lib might mess up the driver search path of xserver | 12:55 |
| YokoZar | ricotz: you mean if someone has ia32-libs but doesn't have lib-mesa-dri-experimental? | 12:56 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, so add this would enable apps like googleearh to benefit of the 3d acceleration | 12:56 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, yes | 12:56 |
| YokoZar | why would that happen? | 12:56 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, because it will search first for the gallium libs | 12:56 |
| YokoZar | I mean, is X searching in /usr/lib32? | 12:56 |
| ricotz | X is seaching for ../dri/gallium/. first then .../dri/. | 12:57 |
| cjwatson | seb128: no idea, all I know is the bug's still open | 12:58 |
| cjwatson | (and on the ubuntu-10.10 milestone list) | 12:58 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, it's fixed, let me close the bug | 12:59 |
| YokoZar | ricotz: wouldn't it make sense to have ia32-libs-mesa-dri-experimental install by default when someone installs mesa-dri-experimental and one of these 32 bit packages? | 13:02 |
| YokoZar | (eg wine/google earth?) | 13:02 |
| YokoZar | I'm trying to figure out how to do that without pulling in ia32-libs on systems that don't have these 32 bit apps | 13:02 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, this might be not possible | 13:03 |
| YokoZar | Right. But if both were always installed together and X was smart enough to only look for ia32-libs-mesa-dri-experimental when the 64 bit version was also installed, we wouldn't have a problem right? | 13:03 |
| cjwatson | seb128: thanks | 13:04 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, i think so | 13:05 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, but since libmesa-dri-experimental is not supported or installed automatically i think users should also install the 32bit libs manually | 13:06 |
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| YokoZar | maybe libmesa-dri-experimental should recommend ia32-libs-mesa-dri-experimental (on 64 bit) | 13:07 |
| * quadrispro has to leave | 13:07 | |
| ricotz | YokoZar, yes thins might a solution | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | siretart: performous is failing to build on powerpc because (as far as I can see) libavcodec isn't built with -fPIC. Would it be OK if I fixed that? | 13:08 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, or suggest whatever is the lesser depend | 13:08 |
| YokoZar | ricotz: recommend will get it pulled in by default | 13:09 |
| YokoZar | ricotz: which is probably what we want here | 13:09 |
| ricotz | YokoZar, ok | 13:10 |
| YokoZar | cjwatson: ~multiverse that wants to be in ia32-libs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/643884 | 13:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 643884 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu) "Lucid: ia32-libs should include libmotif3 libs for ICAclient" [Medium,Triaged] | 13:10 |
| * YokoZar wonders why libmotif3 is in multiverse | 13:10 | |
| cjwatson | YokoZar: no can do, sorry. you'll need a separate package. | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | universe source needs to be free | 13:11 |
| YokoZar | cjwatson: right I agree | 13:11 |
| YokoZar | cjwatson: but you had asked earlier if we could make a separate lib32 type package | 13:11 |
| cjwatson | sure, that's the simplest fix | 13:12 |
| cjwatson | assuming it works | 13:12 |
| cjwatson | siretart: hmm, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=282390 suggests it's more complicated than that though ... | 13:13 |
| ubottu | bugs.gentoo.org bug 282390 in Applications "shared libraries of media-video/ffmpeg fail to load on ppc with "R_PPC_REL24 relocation" errors due to no -fPIC" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme] | 13:14 |
| cjwatson | think I might just remove performous on powerpc | 13:14 |
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| Kano | cjwatson: dont you think you should begin running isohybrid on the iso... it is really a very bad sign that u is not ready for hybrid just because of that - every other current distro handles it, do you think you had not enough time? it worked >1.5y ago... | 13:18 |
| Kano | for fedora, kanotix and about 1 year ago for suse | 13:19 |
| doko | siretart: ffmpeg powerpc ping | 13:22 |
| cjwatson | doko: ... you're not debugging the same thing I was just debugging, are you? | 13:23 |
| cjwatson | (see above) | 13:23 |
| doko | ahh | 13:23 |
| cjwatson | I removed performous on powerpc - fiddling around with -fPIC in ffmpeg six days before release didn't fill me with warm fuzzies | 13:24 |
| doko | cjwatson: was looking at odin pn powerpc | 13:24 |
| cjwatson | ah | 13:24 |
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| cjwatson | haven't looked at that | 13:24 |
| doko | ok, should do the same with odin then | 13:24 |
| cjwatson | similar complaint about an R_PPC_REL24 relocation being out of range? | 13:25 |
| doko | yes | 13:25 |
| doko | but but-imaging recommends it. should we remove it anyway? | 13:25 |
| cjwatson | not sure. it was an easy decision with performous because it was a leaf game package | 13:25 |
| cjwatson | making things uninstallable is a harder one | 13:25 |
| cjwatson | oh, just a recommends? | 13:25 |
| doko | but [!powerpc] in recommends doesn't work? | 13:26 |
| doko | yes | 13:26 |
| doko | recommends | 13:26 |
| cjwatson | actually I wouldn't even worry about a recommends | 13:26 |
| cjwatson | package managers will just ignore those if they're missing | 13:26 |
| doko | ok | 13:27 |
| jibel | cjwatson, mvo, I can reproduce the man-db error. The problem is with apt-daemon. | 13:28 |
| cjwatson | jibel: cool, do you know what the problem is? | 13:29 |
| jibel | here is the recipe: | 13:29 |
| jibel | launch s-c | 13:29 |
| cjwatson | is the debconf proxy locking debconf maybe? | 13:29 |
| jibel | select a package with a debconf prompt: I picked krb5-admin-server | 13:30 |
| jibel | install but let the debconf dialog opened. | 13:30 |
| cjwatson | (shouldn't, though, it uses a throwaway db) | 13:30 |
| jibel | launch a terminal and install another app that trigger man-db | 13:31 |
| jibel | I installed ntp with apt. | 13:31 |
| cjwatson | hm, if you leave the debconf dialog opened, surely the dpkg lock should still be helf | 13:31 |
| cjwatson | held | 13:31 |
| cjwatson | it shouldn't be possible to proceed without closing the dialog | 13:31 |
| mvo | *ick* indeed, the dpkg lock should still be held | 13:32 |
| jibel | what make the problem more difficult to diagnose is that the package installed from s-c doesn't appear in the logs | 13:32 |
| mvo | jibel: many thanks for the reproduce instruction, let me try to reproduce now | 13:33 |
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| mvo | jibel: hm, so I see packages installed in term.log, is that not the case for you? | 13:40 |
| mvo | jibel: *cough* I think I got it - dpkg-preconfigure is the problem | 13:42 |
| jibel | mvo, after you've finished the installation of the first package. It's not caught in the crash file. | 13:42 |
| mvo | jibel: it does not lock it seems | 13:42 |
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| * pitti can't help but wondering about bug 652631 | 13:49 | |
| ubottu | Bug 652631 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/652631 is private | 13:49 |
| pitti | bug 642792, sorry | 13:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 642792 in metacity (Ubuntu Maverick) "ALT+PrtSc not recognised: breaks built-in screenshot function" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/642792 | 13:49 |
| pitti | am I the only one on earth who thinks that a key labelled "printscr" should act as such without Alt? | 13:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, it does? | 13:50 |
| seb128 | the printscreen takes a screenshot of your screen where alt-printscreen should take one of the active dialog | 13:51 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, and I never noticed it to behave differently | 13:51 |
| pitti | seb128: erm, alt+printscr has been sysrq for the last two decades or so | 13:51 |
| seb128 | no | 13:51 |
| seb128 | start a lucid desktop and try it | 13:51 |
| pitti | that sounds like a bug, though | 13:52 |
| seb128 | well it has been this way since warty | 13:52 |
| pitti | a sysrq certainly shoudn't trigger a screenshot? | 13:52 |
| pitti | presumably I didn't notice since in the cases where I need it the OS is too broken to do anything else than reboot.. | 13:52 |
| seb128 | well we had that working and sysrq working | 13:52 |
| pitti | seb128: that would mean that the key does two things? | 13:52 |
| didrocks | yeah, since warty alt+printscr is to take the screenshot of the current window | 13:53 |
| seb128 | I think we had bugs say that sysrq opens the screenshot dialog yes | 13:53 |
| pitti | wow; one never stops learning | 13:53 |
| seb128 | but from an user perspective you break an handy feature which worked since warty | 13:53 |
| seb128 | you want to take screenshots of dialog most of the time | 13:53 |
| pitti | so, is that gnome-settings-daemon then? | 13:53 |
| seb128 | not sure which part handles that keybinding | 13:54 |
| pitti | I don't get an input event on alt+printscr, so perhaps the kernel is intercepting it now | 13:55 |
| pitti | sorry, xev doesn't show it; I do get an input event | 13:55 |
| siretart | doko: hi | 13:55 |
| doko | siretart: see above, some thing for powerpc libavcodec and ffmpeg | 13:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: that is what is reported and we discussed on Friday. I think the guess of a kernel change comes from there | 13:57 |
| siretart | from the bug: "As far as I understand it, the ppc problem is not because shared libs have to be pic but because relocations are too "big" when loaded from some libraries (ffplay/ffmpeg seems to work and load the same library)." | 13:57 |
| siretart | from the gentoo bug | 13:57 |
| siretart | a similar (toolchain) bug can be seen on ia64, btw | 13:57 |
| mvo | jibel: I prepare a upload now, many thanks again | 13:58 |
| siretart | see debian bug #598952 | 13:58 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 598952 in src:ffmpeg "ffmpeg: FTBFS on ia64: relocation truncated to fit: GPREL22 against `.bss'" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/598952 | 13:58 |
| siretart | cjwatson: regarding re-compiling with pic: if you want to do that, I'd suggest to patch the configure script, it has a hardcoded list of architecture that require -fPIC. | 14:00 |
| cjwatson | siretart: I saw, but I decided to take a different approach for the problem I was working on (performous) | 14:00 |
| siretart | cjwatson: upstream strongly advises against that because of performace impact | 14:00 |
| jibel | mvo, thanks to you, that was a quick fix. | 14:00 |
| cjwatson | siretart: indeed, applications that do not start at all are much faster than ones that do | 14:01 |
| siretart | cjwatson: does ffplay work for you? | 14:02 |
| cjwatson | siretart: for me? I'm not actually using powerpc, I'm hunting down NBS | 14:02 |
| siretart | according to the gentoo bug, I understand that this doesn't affect all applications. in particular, ffplay/ffmpeg seem to work, but not gst-ffmpeg | 14:03 |
| cjwatson | AFAIK doko is doing the same | 14:03 |
| siretart | I see | 14:03 |
| cjwatson | packages that fail to build tend to have something of an effect on archive consistency | 14:03 |
| cjwatson | which is important as we approach release | 14:03 |
| siretart | well, we have a fast workaround (enabling PIC) that has performance impact but unbreaks gst-ffmpeg but also causes performance issues. under these circumstanced, I'd tend to agree to go the quick fix | 14:05 |
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| tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 14:07 |
| cjwatson | I think we're just removing the powerpc binaries for the packages that fail to build on powerpc, for now | 14:08 |
| pitti | hello tkamppeter | 14:09 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, can you have a look at bug 653470, bug 653515, and 653585, there seems to be an interference between the upstartification of CUPS and systems with CJK languages. | 14:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653470 in cups (Ubuntu) "package cups 1.4.4-6ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: 该软件包现在的状态极为不妥 - 建议您 在卸载它之前再重新安装一次。" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653470 | 14:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653515 in cups (Ubuntu) "package cups 1.4.4-6ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: 该软件包现在的状态极为不妥 - 建议您 在卸载它之前再重新安装一次。 (dup-of: 653470)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653515 | 14:11 |
| tkamppeter | bug 653585 | 14:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653585 in cups (Ubuntu) "package cups 1.4.4-6ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: 子进程 已安装 post-installation 脚本 返回了错误号 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653585 | 14:11 |
| james_w | maxb: oh, not in main, sorry for the confusion. That would be great. | 14:12 |
| maxb | james_w: np, will do | 14:24 |
| doko | bdrung: do you work on the audacious plugin build failures? | 14:28 |
| doko | cjwatson: did you already remove performous-tools on powerpc? | 14:32 |
| cjwatson | yes | 14:32 |
| cjwatson | mvo: BTW, did you notice bug 653200? | 14:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653200 in update-manager (Ubuntu Maverick) "extras.ubuntu.com added to server installs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653200 | 14:43 |
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| jibel | pitti, could you publish screen 4.0.3-14ubuntu1.2 (bug 574773) during your next round of sru. The bug number is not in the changelog and is not shown on the pending sru list. | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 574773 in screen (Ubuntu Lucid) "Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied (convert init to upstart)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574773 | 15:05 |
| pitti | jibel: ah, doing now; thanks! | 15:06 |
| jibel | pitti, cool, thank you. | 15:06 |
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| raphink | Keybuk: could you have a look at the new patch on mountall (bug 654545) please? | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 654545 in mountall (Ubuntu) "mountall does not honor nobootwait flag on /var/* and /usr/* filesystems" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654545 | 15:07 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, did you see my message? | 15:13 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: yes, I'll have a look later on | 15:13 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: I looked at the first dpkg log and didn't see an obvious error message related to cups, so I'll loko at the dups | 15:14 |
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| pitti | tkamppeter: replied with requests for further info | 15:30 |
| jibel | cjwatson, I've updated bug 653134 with new info. If I replace the grub.cfg from the failed upgrade with the one from a maverick install on the exact same system then ubuntu in wubi boots fine. | 15:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653134 in Wubi "Can't boot Ubuntu after an upgrade from 10.04.1 to 10.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653134 | 15:32 |
| jibel | cjwatson, both cfg files are attached to the report. | 15:32 |
| mvo | cjwatson: re 653200> I'm working on that now | 15:33 |
| ricotz | siretart, hello, i think there is a problem with a dependency of libswscale-dev which depends on libswscale0 | libswscale-extra-1, libswscale-extra-1 is not available ffmpeg-extra creates libswscale-extra-0 | 15:33 |
| mvo | cjwatson: thanks for the reminder :) | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | jibel: hm, I'd have said that the one from the install was the broken one | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | if you had me look at those outside the context of this bug | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | guess it has something to do with module loading not being available in wubildr | 15:35 |
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| jibel | well, I'm logged in now. I guess it's working | 15:37 |
| cjwatson | jibel: did you comment out 'insmod gfxterm' by hand? | 15:39 |
| jibel | cjwatson, yes | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | oh, that was in the old file | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | jibel: could you put the old configuration back, apply http://paste.ubuntu.com/505772/ to /usr/share/lupin-support/grub-mkimage, and run 'sudo grub-install /dev/sda' (the /dev/sda bit doesn't matter in the Wubi case) | 15:41 |
| cjwatson | ? | 15:41 |
| jibel | okay | 15:43 |
| cjwatson | having trouble seeing why any of this would *crash* grub, but this is worth a shot ... | 15:44 |
| cjwatson | (BTW, if that works, then as a control it would be good to unapply that patch and try grub-install again, to make sure that still breaks) | 15:44 |
| jibel | cjwatson, I also noticed that when you upgrade the files c:\ubuntu\winboot\wubildr and wubildr-bootstrap.cfg are not there but they exist when performing a fresh install. | 15:45 |
| siretart | ricotz: didn't I already fix that one? if not, yeah, you're totally right | 15:45 |
| seb128 | hum, bug #654395 | 15:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 654395 in gdm (Ubuntu) "random graphical boot failure with (process:275): Glib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r() failed due to unknown user id (0)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654395 | 15:46 |
| seb128 | does anybody has a clue if that's a plymouth or gdm issue? | 15:46 |
| ricotz | siretart, seems not to be fixed then ;) | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | jibel: wubildr-bootstrap.cfg is an artifact | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | in the "temporary file" sense | 15:48 |
| seb128 | hum, seems similar to bug #532984 | 15:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 532984 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 3 won't boot on HP Compaq Pentium 4; displays an irrelevant Glib warning on the console" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532984 | 15:48 |
| cjwatson | jibel: afaik c:\ubuntu\winboot\wubildr is not used after initial installation | 15:49 |
| seiflotfy | hey guys | 15:49 |
| seiflotfy | a question | 15:49 |
| seiflotfy | my partition fials to mount to /home | 15:49 |
| seiflotfy | its a btrfs | 15:49 |
| seiflotfy | is there a way to fix t | 15:50 |
| doko | azeem: opensync ping. you suggested to build barry without the opensync plugin, and to remove any other opensync plugin form maverick. is this still the way to go? | 15:59 |
| jibel | cjwatson, grub rescue> I think I broke my main grub :/ booting from livecd | 16:02 |
| * barry wonders who had the gall to name a package after him without a hefty royalty check... :) | 16:03 | |
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| jibel | cjwatson, the system is back from the void. Your patch is working. | 16:29 |
| jibel | cjwatson, now breaking the system again to make sure that is still breaks. | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | jibel: sounds promising ... | 16:34 |
| jibel | cjwatson: \o/ my system is broken again. That works! | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | hooray! | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | guesswork for the win. | 16:37 |
| Haegin | hi, who is the best person to talk to to request a patch being added to the kernel or does that have to happen upstream? | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | #ubuntu-kernel | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | (and in general, most patches should go upstream) | 16:39 |
| Haegin | cjwatson: ta | 16:40 |
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| alex88__ | hi, i'm trying netbook edition...i've removed firefox and installed chromium..how can i add it to the launchers on the left? | 19:54 |
| alex88__ | well..with unity | 19:55 |
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| alex88__ | mmhh...i've read to run the app and right-click-> keep in launcher..but i haven't that option | 19:59 |
| alex88__ | !netbook | 19:59 |
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| cjwatson | siretart: so, just to confirm, since doko has uploaded a candidate change for this for maverick: are you OK with enabling PIC in ffmpeg on powerpc? | 20:29 |
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| mar | how do I report bug for stopped-clock | 21:02 |
| mar | i mean clock in my gnome-panel is stuck at 21:38:30 now :) | 21:03 |
| penguin42 | mar: Did you wind it ? | 21:11 |
| penguin42 | mar: Not on this channel; use ubuntu-bug followed by the package name, discussion on #ubuntu-bugs | 21:12 |
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| siretart | cjwatson: well, I don't have powerpc hardware myself, so I need to rely on people that actually use that hardware | 21:39 |
| siretart | cjwatson: if you say as powerpc user that enabling PIC has more worth than the performance it brings, then sure! | 21:40 |
| YokoZar | why does apt-get source jasper give me jasper-initramfs but apt-get source libjasper1 give me jasper source package | 22:06 |
| YokoZar | ah hah...because the jasper binary is in the jasper-initramfs package but not the jasper source package | 22:07 |
| YokoZar | weird | 22:07 |
| ScottK | YokoZar: I think that's got to be a bug. I've seen it before. I think if you feed it a source package name that's what it should get unless it doesn't exist. | 22:14 |
| YokoZar | ScottK: at the moment it's preventing me from adding libjasper1 to ia32-libs | 22:20 |
| ScottK | Interesting. | 22:20 |
| YokoZar | ScottK: because it gets double parsed essentially | 22:21 |
| YokoZar | so would we say this is a bug in apt-get or a bug in the binary package that's named for someone else's source package (seems like something we should have a policy about) | 22:22 |
| ScottK | I think it's a bug in apt-get, or at best a use case that isn't considered by the current design. | 22:23 |
| ScottK | Try apt-get source kdebase for similar fun. | 22:24 |
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| slangasek | pitti: do you have a standard rune for use of dpkg --path-exclude, --path-include somewhere? | 22:33 |
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| cjwatson | siretart: as I said earlier today, I'm not a powerpc user any more | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | siretart: doko and I are trying to fix up the archive, in ways that don't necessarily in all cases require actually using the architectures that have problems | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | YokoZar: use the --only-source option | 22:48 |
| cjwatson | siretart: so I'm only a "user" in the sense that I care about the fact that some source packages don't build on powerpc due to this; I'm unable to evaluate the performance tradeoff | 22:49 |
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| YokoZar | cjwatson: brilliant, thanks. (hooray for the switch not in the man page :) ) | 23:26 |
| cjwatson | it is in the man page | 23:26 |
| cjwatson | http://paste.ubuntu.com/506034/ | 23:26 |
| hallyn | kees: jdstrand: jinkeys | 23:38 |
| hallyn | kees: jdstrand: i didn't realize i'd be allowed to push to qa-regression-testing | 23:38 |
| hallyn | uh, so. yeah, feel free to revert. i don't know how open it's intended to be | 23:39 |
| * hallyn had hoped to push to his own branch, and request a merge to get some review... | 23:40 | |
| kees | heh | 23:40 |
| kees | hallyn: no worries. you must be part of the qa group. :) | 23:41 |
| SpamapS | hrm.. bzr-buildpackage is killing me at the moment.. | 23:43 |
| SpamapS | bzr: ERROR: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/clint/pkg/pipemeter/bzr/pipemeter/packaging/debian/emacsen-startup.ex' | 23:43 |
| SpamapS | file exists | 23:43 |
| SpamapS | so.. wtf? | 23:43 |
| SpamapS | not to mention, bzr status does not mention it. :-P | 23:43 |
| kees | hallyn: I would probably have used optparser instead of the manual argv stuff, but if it works, that's all good. | 23:44 |
| kees | hallyn: nice to replace a TODO with real code :) | 23:44 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: so it needs to be in the bzr manifest? | 23:44 |
| hallyn | kees: yeah, i wanted to, but the python test framework steals my argvs! | 23:44 |
| kees | hehe | 23:45 |
| hallyn | kees: maybe my hack will offend jdstrand enough that he'll do it the right way :) | 23:46 |
| kees | hahah | 23:46 |
| SpamapS | weird | 23:47 |
| SpamapS | had to re-add all the .ex files I manually rm'd | 23:47 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: maybe it would've been happy if you'd "bzr remove"d them? | 23:48 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: indeed, but usually bzr is just fine and dandy with added files disappearing | 23:48 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: i've got a bzr bd q too :) i've got my own little package which only exists in bzr. i want to build the package. but it complains there is no .orig.tgz file. help? | 23:49 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: --native would be a sneaky way out of that | 23:50 |
| hallyn | i'm fine with sneaky | 23:50 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: its less sneaky if this is something that is only really useful on ubuntu/debian systems. ;) | 23:50 |
| cjwatson | [BUILDDEB]\nnative = True | 23:50 |
| cjwatson | in .bzr-builddeb/default.conf | 23:51 |
| cjwatson | see /usr/share/doc/bzr-builddeb/README.gz | 23:51 |
| hallyn | cjwatson: i've done that | 23:52 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: --native doesn't help | 23:53 |
| cjwatson | ask james_w then | 23:53 |
| hallyn | maybe i want to use export-upstream | 23:54 |
| hallyn | cjwatson: ok, thanks. the README looks helpful1 | 23:54 |
| hallyn | ! | 23:54 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: what do you mean it doesn't help though? | 23:55 |
| hallyn | whee, it's doin gsomething | 23:55 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: --native and what cjwatson said are the same thing ;) | 23:55 |
| SpamapS | except his is permanent | 23:55 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: it still said make: *** No rule to make target `get-orig-source'. Stop. | 23:55 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: the export-upstream was what i needed. now i'm down to my crap debian/control contents :) | 23:56 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: yeah, get-orig-source should be skipped with --native tho.. or maybe I'm forgetting something else | 23:56 |
| hallyn | that'd have been nice, since my export-upstream path is just my bzr pull path :) | 23:57 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: and it even started out saying "Building using working tree | 23:58 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: I have a package here that is native.. there's no orig source and it never asks for one.. hmm | 23:58 |
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