[00:03] <fta> no
[00:03] <fta> BUGabundo, ^^ chromium is still in universe, so no magic effect of being pre installed like firefox
[00:04] <fta> people have to search for it, and most won't even know it exists
[01:27] <BUGabundo> nite guys
[05:29] <rbhatta> hi micahg
[05:29] <micahg> rbhatta: hi, so is this on a single screen or multiple?
[05:29] <rbhatta> single screen
[05:30] <micahg> rbhatta: it won't go to full screen?
[05:30] <micahg> which flash player?
[05:30] <rbhatta> Adobe v 10
[05:30] <micahg> which driver?
[05:30] <micahg> graphics I mean?
[05:31] <rbhatta> i think it is nvidia...not sure how can i check that
[05:31] <rbhatta> it was working in lucid
[05:31] <micahg> lshw -C video
[05:31] <rbhatta> thanks checking
[05:33] <rbhatta> it is *-display:0              description: VGA compatible controller  product: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller    vendor: Intel Corporation
[05:33] <micahg> rbhatta: that's the same chipset I have
[05:33] <micahg> could you describe in more detail the issue?
[05:34] <rbhatta> hmm does it work for u
[05:34] <micahg> yep
[05:34] <rbhatta> one more qs which ver of adobe u have
[05:34] <micahg> ii  flashplugin-installer                           10.1.85.3ubuntu1
[05:35] <rbhatta> excuse my not knowing.. how to check the version i have
[05:35] <rbhatta> i think i have the same version
[05:35] <micahg> dpkg -l | grep flashplugin-installer
[05:36] <rbhatta> i have exactly the same one
[05:36] <rbhatta> funny let me check the firefox exact version
[05:37] <rbhatta> ii  firefox                               3.6.10+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3                safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[05:37] <micahg> rbhatta: try starting with a new profile, firefox -ProfileManager
[05:38] <rbhatta> hmm trying
[05:40] <rbhatta> nope did not work.. still the same
[05:40] <rbhatta> it freezes showing me the screen i had shown at the moment i hit fullscreen button
[05:41] <micahg> rbhatta: was firefox closed first?
[05:42] <rbhatta> yup...
[05:42] <rbhatta> closed it created a new one and then tried
[05:42] <micahg> hmm
[05:42] <rbhatta> trying to change flash plugin to swfdec
[05:43] <rbhatta> will that help
[05:43] <micahg> rbhatta: nah
[05:43] <micahg> rbhatta: do you have any extensions installed?
[05:43] <rbhatta> a lot of them
[05:43] <rbhatta> let me see which ones
[05:44] <micahg> rbhatta: at the system level?
[05:44] <rbhatta> recently i installed chromification
[05:44] <micahg> right but that shouldn't be in a new profile
[05:44] <rbhatta> yup .. when i opened the new profile all of them are not there
[05:45] <micahg> is this a specific site?  does youtube work?
[05:45] <rbhatta> it is any flash based website including youtube
[05:45] <rbhatta> let me try with epiphany
[05:46] <rbhatta> we can see if it is OS level issue or firefox issue
[05:46] <micahg> can you pastebin about:support from the clean profile
[05:46] <micahg> rbhatta: ah, good point, do you have another browser installeD?
[05:46] <rbhatta> yeah epiphany
[05:46] <rbhatta> and it works in that
[05:47] <rbhatta> then it is a firefox issue...
[05:47] <micahg> uh, so it seems like it's a FF issue which is weird
[05:47] <rbhatta> ok let me paste it
[05:48] <rbhatta>   Application Basics
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Name
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Firefox
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Version
[05:48] <rbhatta>         3.6.10
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Profile Directory
[05:48] <rbhatta>           Open Containing Folder
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Installed Plugins
[05:48] <micahg> rbhatta: stop
[05:48] <rbhatta>           about:plugins
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Build Configuration
[05:48] <rbhatta>           about:buildconfig
[05:48] <micahg> !pastebin | rbhatta
[05:48] <rbhatta>   Extensions
[05:48] <ubot2> rbhatta: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Name
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Version
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Enabled
[05:48] <rbhatta>         ID
[05:48] <rbhatta>         IBM CCK
[05:48] <rbhatta>         2.0.4
[05:48] <rbhatta>         true
[05:48] <rbhatta>         IBM-cck@firefox-extensions.ibm.com
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Bindwood
[05:48] <rbhatta>         1.0.4
[05:48] <rbhatta>         true
[05:48] <rbhatta>         bindwood@ubuntu.com
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Ubuntu Firefox Modifications
[05:49] <rbhatta>         0.9rc2
[05:49] <rbhatta>         true
[05:49] <rbhatta>         ubufox@ubuntu.com
[05:49] <rbhatta>   Modified Preferences
[05:49] <rbhatta>       Name
[05:49] <rbhatta>       Value
[05:49] <rbhatta>         browser.places.smartBookmarksVersion
[05:49] <rbhatta>         2
[05:49] <rbhatta>         browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone
[05:49] <rbhatta>         rv:1.9.2.10
[05:49] <rbhatta>         extensions.lastAppVersion
[05:49] <rbhatta>         3.6.10
[05:49] <rbhatta>         network.cookie.prefsMigrated
[05:49] <rbhatta>         true
[05:49] <rbhatta>         privacy.sanitize.migrateFx3Prefs
[05:49] <rbhatta>         true
[05:49] <rbhatta> sorry
[05:49] <micahg> rbhatta: please pastebin it
[05:50] <rbhatta> sorry
[05:50] <rbhatta> here it is
[05:50] <rbhatta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/505516/
[05:51] <micahg> rbhatta: what is that IBM extension?
[05:51] <rbhatta> that is the company extension
[05:51] <rbhatta> i work for IBM and this has been there always
[05:52] <micahg> rbhatta: would you get in trouble if you disabled it to test?
[05:52] <rbhatta> i can disable it for sure let me do that
[05:52] <micahg> that's the only thing that's not standard
[05:53] <rbhatta> disabled it but still :(
[05:53] <micahg> rbhatta: and restarted teh profile?
[05:53] <rbhatta> yup
[05:53]  * micahg is out of idea
[05:54] <micahg> *ideas
[05:54] <micahg> rbhatta: maybe check in #ubuntu+1 if anyone else has experienced it?
[05:54] <rbhatta> hmm i will try doing that too.. thanks for your help..
[05:55] <rbhatta> also thanks a lot for showing my way around finding information
[05:55] <micahg> rbhatta: np
[05:55] <micahg> rbhatta: feel free to drop in here with any platform related Mozilla questions
[05:55] <rbhatta> i will try installing a new firefox build from Mozilla website and check too...
[05:55] <rbhatta> sure....
[05:55] <micahg> rbhatta: BTW, #ubuntu-bugs is mainly for bug triage and help on how to submit
[05:55] <micahg> #ubuntu is the main support channel for other issues
[05:55] <rbhatta> yeah i recently joined the bug squad
[05:56] <micahg> rbhatta: ah, cool
[05:56] <rbhatta> i was going to open a bug...
[05:56] <rbhatta> thought may be others in the channel might have experienced this
[05:56] <rbhatta> so might save the trouble for many
[05:56] <rbhatta> thanks....
[05:56] <micahg> np
[08:18] <dpm> morning fta2, I've just caught part of the conversation in #launchpad, and I see that you've started importing the chromium translations. Cool!
[08:19] <fta2> dpm, yeah, needs some tweaking though
[08:19] <fta2> dpm, can people add new langs? or is that something i have to do, somehow ?
[08:20] <dpm> fta2, you don't need to do anything to add new languages. Launchpad will add a new language the minute someone translates into that language.
[08:22] <dpm> i.e. if there weren't any translation into French, and if you'd had French as your preferred language and were a French Launchpad translator, you'd be shown the empty template. When you'd submit the first translation, the French entry would be created in the database
[08:22] <fta2> dpm, ok, i asked because i have one pot without any po
[08:23] <dpm> yeah, people will be able to add their translations without trouble
[08:24] <micahg> fta2: the hardy uploads seem to be failiing for umd
[08:25] <fta2> micahg, missing?
[08:25] <micahg> actually, just one seems to be the issue, weird (xulrunner-1.9.1)
[08:26] <micahg> sftp into a black hole?
[08:27] <dpm> fta2, there is something else I wanted to mention. You've chosen "Launchpad Translators" as the translation group to take care of translations. I think it's the correct choice, but the only thing I wanted to mention is that the Launchpad Translators group is still growing, and it still got much fewer languages (26) than e.g. the Ubuntu Translators group (146). I expect the chromium translations to get much attention, so there might be languages fo
[08:27] <dpm> r which there is no language team in the Launchpad Translators group. In case someone asks you how to create a group, you can point them to https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+addquestion
[08:28] <dpm> or perhaps upstream ends up these translations (hopefully) and want to bring in their own translation group
[08:28] <fta2> micahg, if my bot says it's uploaded successfully but it's not in the ppa, that's bug 648917
[08:28] <dpm> "ends up using", I meant
[08:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 648917 in soyuz "SFTP uploads randomly disappearing (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648917
[08:30] <fta2> dpm, i will send requests to you if you don't mind ;)
[08:30] <fta2> there are already some in the chromium answers btw (old ones)
[08:30] <dpm> fta2, surely, no problem. I just wanted you to be aware that this might happen
[08:30] <dpm> I'll be happy to handle the requests
[08:32] <micahg> fta2: k, thanks
[08:33] <fta2> micahg, maybe add a comment there ;)
[08:34]  * micahg will just mark as affeting and subscribe
[08:42] <fta2> dpm, btw, i only dealt with the chromium->gettext part, which was tough enough. i expect the reverse path to be even tougher :P
[08:42] <fta2> dpm, also, to add new langs, i'll need to patch the chromium build system :P
[08:45] <dpm> fta2, wow. I guess we can go by parts. Now the imports part has been implemented. Rather than make a wide announcement, we should perhaps tell translators to test that the imported translations and templates look ok, and let them know that they won't be used until the export part has been implemented
[08:46] <fta2> dpm, i just need to fix the 1st import issue, then, feel free to grab the attention of some motivated translators
[08:47] <dpm> fta2, I'll sure do :) Let me know when you've dealt with it and all the files have been imported, and I'll take care of finding people
[08:47] <fta2> dpm, i will test the (lp) export function once we have some strings, and then write the gettext->chromium converter
[08:47] <dpm> cool
[08:54] <fta2> dpm, i used Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+filebug , do you want me to change that?
[08:56] <dpm> fta2, I think for now it should be ok. If upstream adopt the translations they might want to change that. In any case, I expect most people to translate online and not see the bug address. Only those which export the translations, translate offline and import them back will see it.
[08:58] <fta2> dpm, discussed with evan (upstream) last week, he said he'll commit our strings in trunk, but no guaranty that they end up in chrome, that's up to their release managers
[08:59] <fta2> dpm, also, i told him chromium should do the gettext itself via grit, so he said he'll see to it
[09:00] <dpm> fta2, ah, cool. Yeah, that's what he told me at the last UDS. I think having them in Chromium will be a really big step. Thanks a lot for following up with the discussion. I really hope upstream adopt the conversion part as well
[09:54] <fta2> dpm, weird, none of my descriptions appear in lp, did i miss something?
[09:56] <fta2> dpm, i used a simple "#", i assume there's some formatting for that, right?
[09:56] <fta2> dpm, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations.head/annotate/head:/chromium_strings/chromium_strings.pot
[10:05] <dpm> fta2, let me have a look...
[10:59] <asac> fta2: are you guys working on a chromium translations spec or something?
[11:00] <asac> also i know i didnt get back to you on info what i am doing now ;) ... i am basically working on linaro (www.linaro.org, wiki.linaro.org)
[11:02] <asac> there as manager/lead of UI platforms and middleware/graphics/multimedia/browsers ;) ... with lots of engineers flowing in from all over the world and from all kind of partners its kind of a challenging time atm ;)
[11:19] <dpm> fta2, sorry, I got disconnected. Here's the comment on the POT file comments:
[11:19] <dpm> fta2, they need to be in the format '#. Comment' or '#: Source code reference comment', as in http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#PO-Files
[11:20] <dpm> The templates you imported have got '# Comment' style comments. These are only displayed in Launchpad for .po files, as they are translator comments only relevant to a language
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, could i have a USN for the FF3.6.11,FF3.5.14 updates please?
[11:43] <fta2> dpm, ok thanks. i'll have a look later. please hold the translators back until i get that fixed
[11:44] <dpm> fta2, sure, I will not be announcing anything until you ping me
[11:46] <fta2> dpm, iirc, i should use "#. blabla" instead of "# blabla", right?
[11:47] <fta2> r=read
[11:47] <dpm> fta2, yeah. You can also use "#: blah" if you want to display source code references (i.e. the line of the source file where the particular string was extracted from)
[11:48] <fta2> dpm, i don't have the exact source:line info when i convert those files, it's already preprocessed and that info is gone
[11:50] <dpm> fta2, that's fine. I was just mentioning it in case you'd want to add extra info on where the line from the xml file you do the conversion from is
[12:08] <fta2> dpm: got a few import errors in the .po. i guess i should check them 1st
[12:09] <fta2> it's not that bad, just need 1 more escape
[12:11] <dpm> fta2, ok, cool, yeah, I can see the 2 failed imports in the queue
[12:14] <dpm> fta2, also note that the es-419 locale might not be imported (or imported and not shown), as we deliberately only have one Spanish locale for translations. I'm not sure what we should do with it. It does not affect the conversion, I'd still import it as you are doing, I'm just mentioning it (also as a self-reminder :)
[12:19] <fta2> dpm, i can add a special rule to skip it but if it doesn't hurt, i guess that's fine. btw, why don't we have es-419? ubuntu has a large community there
[12:21] <dpm> fta2, no, no, I wouldn't skip it either. We just have to figure out what to do in the Launchpad side. The Spanish translation team in Ubuntu uses one single locale in order not to fragment the Spanish translation community. Chromium might have other requirements.
[12:31] <fta2> asac, hi. well, no spec in particular (do we need one?) but it's finally moving: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+lang/de
[12:32] <fta2> asac, i still have a few things to fix/improve, it's just the 1st import
[12:34] <fta2> $ bzr diff | diffstat | tail -1
[12:34] <fta2>  105 files changed, 397683 insertions(+), 395482 deletions(-)
[12:34] <fta2> *sigh*
[12:43] <asac> ouch
[12:43] <asac> ;)
[12:44] <fta2>  105 files changed, 488495 insertions(+), 488430 deletions(-)
[12:44] <fta2> rohhh
[12:49] <chrisccoulson> asac - xulrunner-1.9.2.11 depends on a version of sqlite that's newer than what we have in ubuntu (with the exception of maverick). i'm not sure what to do about that :/
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> updating sqlite seems like it would be a little painful...
[12:50] <asac> chrisccoulson: depends through configure or through API requirements?
[12:50] <asac> chrisccoulson: for lucid its not a problem, right? e.g. we had all in-source already back then?
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> asac - for firefox - yes, but not for the xulrunner build
[12:51] <asac> chrisccoulson: for xul we should check why the sqlite version was bumped
[12:51] <asac> talk to sdwilsh ... if its a crash fix in upstream sqlite we might want to backport that
[12:52] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i'm trying to figure that out now
[12:52] <asac> and unpatch confiugre build requirement bump
[12:52] <chrisccoulson> here's where it was bumped: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/09649109fcea
[12:52] <chrisccoulson> which is only adding a configure check
[12:53] <asac> right
[12:53] <asac> chrisccoulson: so we have to track down the cause of this ... if its speedup we dont need to do anything for xulrunner unless its signifcant or fixing a previous introduced regression
[12:53] <asac> if its crash we need to roll update for sqlite as SRU if possible
[12:53] <asac> in any case for xul we unpatch configure check
[12:54] <fta2> asac, so, what about the spec? ^^
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i can't see any other commits that seem to depend on it
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> i'll ping sdwilsh and see what he thinks too
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> oh, he's away atm
[12:55] <asac> fta2: translation spec? just wondered if someone was documenting the approach for chromium tranlations
[12:55] <asac> chrisccoulson: west coast i guess
[12:55]  * asac on a call now
[12:57] <fta2> asac, no one that i know of. but i have some comments in my code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations-tools.head/annotate/head:/chromium2pot.py
[14:24] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: hey. how similar are the security fixes for 3.6 and 3.5 this time? ie, if most of the CVEs affect both, we can give just one USN
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i don't have access to that information ;)
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> but, the commits look pretty similar....
[14:34] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: k. let's go with one then: 997-1
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, cool, thanks!
[14:35] <jdstrand> sure, np
[14:47] <Dimmuxx> hmm what happend to the combined stop/go/refresh button in the location bar in the latest daily build of fx4?
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, it's still there
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> what's your issue?
[15:07] <Dimmuxx> not in mine
[15:07] <Dimmuxx> it's gone
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> are you sure you didn't just remove it? it's definately still there on mine (todays build)
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, should i use the USN in the changelog for NSS too? (or should it get its own number?)
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> IIRC, the new NSS version fixes a separate security issue anyway
[15:09] <Dimmuxx> I don't think it's possible to remove?
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, you can move it around like any other button (so i assume you can remove it too)
[15:12] <Dimmuxx> ahh, I see what happend now
[15:13] <Dimmuxx> when you select customize it's show like a reload and stop butten to the right of the location bar so if you remove them it's gone.
[15:16] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: nss should get its own USN. is this one already public?
[15:17] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: iirc, it is
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, it's CVE-2010-3170 if that's any help
[15:18] <ubot2> chrisccoulson: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-3170)
[15:19] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: k. then no need to pre-allocate a USN. just reference that CVE number using the changelog format listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, ok, i'll do that. thanks
[15:20] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: if it isn't clear from upstream changes what they patched and why, you can just summarize the issue and any new behaviors
[15:54] <fta> asac, btw, congrats for your role in Linaro :)
[15:54] <fta> dpm, https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+pots/generated-resources/fr/+translate   seems better
[15:55] <fta> dpm, the formatting is gone though (but it's not a big deal)
[15:55] <dpm> looking...
[15:56] <dpm> fta, looks good, but what do you mean the formatting is gone?
[15:57] <dpm> fta, oh, I see. I've just read your question on #launchpad
[15:59] <fta> hm, it seems those notes are not everywhere..
[16:00] <fta> probably need to wait for the queue to clear up
[16:04] <fta> it's slow ;)
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, the new sqlite version is only needed for firefox because there are some changes in mozilla-central that will prevent people who have tried the beta from going back to 3.6
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> so i'm just going to drop the configure check in xulrunner
[16:12] <asac> chrisccoulson: what impact will that have? i know that some ubuntu users use the upstream build from time to time so we should be careful
[16:12] <asac> if those might loose their profile we might want to backport it
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> asac - that's ok, because our firefox build will still have the new sqlite version
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> this is only for xulrunner
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> (so, users who try upstream builds of ff-4.0 will still be able to roll back to 3.6)
[16:13] <asac> right. but xulrunner might be used by apps
[16:13] <asac> that have a profile and a trunk build ;)
[16:13] <asac> so same problem for those and if we mean it serious with supporting then this is something this is something we should be concerned about
[16:13] <asac> hmm double type ;)
[16:13] <fta> dpm, are the desktop files supposed to be integrated into this too?
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i suppose that's more complicated then
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> but, updating the system sqlite version would be pretty painful
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> and i already know that shipping the bundled sqlite in xulrunner breaks applications that link directly to sqlite (eg, liferea)
[16:15] <dpm> fta, it would be nice. I guess they are only necessary for the linux platform, but it wouldn't hurt having them. Perhaps we should just have them as a separate template
[16:16] <asac> chrisccoulson: we could cherry pick the commit needed there
[16:16] <asac> chrisccoulson: if this could be confined
[16:16] <fta> dpm, that would just be 3 strings but it makes sense. i'll think about it
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> asac - i'm not sure about that, it's a pretty big diff :/
[16:37] <asac> chrisccoulson: do we provide daily xul builds still?
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> asac - we do, but so far nothing is using them
[16:40] <asac> chrisccoulson: are those with system sqlite?
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> asac - they are for the maverick builds. i suspect not for the older releases though
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> asac - i just asked sdwilsh again, and he said that applications would only not be able to go back to 1.9.2 if they have been run with 2.0 and used a specific 2.0 feature as well
[16:41] <asac> ah ok. maverick sqlite is fresh enough. i forgot about that
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> so it's safe to run existing applications with 2.0 and then go back to 1.9.2
[16:42] <asac> "used a specific 2.0 feature" -> what is that? where is that used by ffox?
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> asac - the feature is WAL, which is actually a sqlite feature
[16:51] <asac> kill it ;)
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> but applications that are currently using 1.9.2 will not use this functionality automatically if people run them with 2.0
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> so, we should be safe
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> it's a feature that requires explicitly enabling
[16:59] <fta> dpm, what's wrong with those? (unwanted langs?) https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+imports?field.filter_status=NEEDS_REVIEW&field.filter_extension=all
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> ^^^micahg
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> we're going to drop the requirement for sqlite 3.7.1
[17:11] <dpm> fta, they are not being imported because we don't have such locales. IIRC no.po is deprecated, es-419 we don't use for the reasons discussed this morning, pt_PT is not imported because the locale does not exist in LP (we have 'pt' for Portuguese from Brazil). Let me try to approve pt_PT manually for now. I've asked danilo if this will need to be done manually in the future as well. If it does, you might want to rename the po file to pt.po instead
[17:11] <dpm> (I know it's an ugly special case, but it might be the easiest option)
[17:12] <fta> dpm, i already have pt (i have both, like for es)
[17:13] <dpm> fta, ah, weird. Then pt_PT should be redundant. Do you have pt_BR as well?
[17:14] <fta> oh, right
[17:14] <dpm> These are the two codes we've got in LP for Portuguese. pt for Portuguese from Portugal and pt_BR for Portuguese from Brazil
[17:14] <fta>     <file path="resources/generated_resources_pt-BR.xtb" lang="pt-BR" />
[17:14] <fta>     <file path="resources/generated_resources_pt-PT.xtb" lang="pt-PT" />
[17:15] <fta> hmm..
[17:15] <fta>     <!-- The translation console uses 'no' for Norwegian Bokmål. It should be 'nb'. -->
[17:15] <fta>     <output filename="generated_resources_nb.pak" type="data_package" lang="no" />
[17:15] <fta> do we have that?
[17:18] <fta> dpm, ^^
[17:20] <dpm> fta, we do have nb. As per pt_PT, it might need to be renamed to 'pt', but let's wait until danilo can answer to see if it's necessary. For now, I'll approve the pt_PT translations into pt, so that we have all languages in
[17:22] <fta> dpm, i can probably auto-rename (no->nb, pt_PT->pt) in my converter, if that helps
[17:23] <dpm> fta, yeah, that'd get them automatically imported
[17:23] <fta>     <!-- The translation console uses 'iw' for Hebrew, but we use 'he'. -->
[17:23] <fta>     <file path="resources/generated_resources_iw.xtb" lang="he" />
[17:23] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, seems like a mess
[17:23] <dpm> ouch, another special case
[17:23] <fta> i used 'he' here
[17:23] <dpm> yeah
[19:27] <fta> dpm, i'm not sure how to read https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+imports  all are "imported" but with "will be imported into..". are they done?
[19:30] <dpm> fta, the "Imported" text to the right is what counts, so that means all po files have been successfully imported. The "will be imported into..." text is useful while a translation is pending approval or import, but it is not updated subsequently (which I agree is a bit confusing)
[20:15] <fta> dpm, ok. weird then. some still don't have my translator notes.
[20:16] <fta> also seeing inspector and devtools not translated by upstream is troubling.. maybe we should not translate those either...
[20:18] <dpm> fta, yeah, it might be worth perhaps asking upstream and not importing them if they are not needed. We can disable the existing templates in LP if you want for now
[20:32] <fta> dpm, asked: they are not, they could be, but not sure they should be (i have no strong feeling about that)
[20:33] <dpm> fta, then I'd suggest not importing them until upstream has decided what they do with them. Otherwise we'd just be wasting the translators' efforts. Shall I go on and disable them in LP?
[20:36] <fta> dpm, done but should i also remove the pots from the bzr branch?
[20:37] <dpm> fta, yeah, I think so, I think if I disable them in LP they will not be imported anyway, but it might be worth removing them from the tree, as to mark that they are no longer updated
[20:39] <dpm> fta, what's up with the 'chromium-strings' template? Have translations not yet been imported, or there weren't any, either?
[20:39] <dpm>   https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+lang/fr
[20:40] <fta> that's expected. google (paid) translators focus on chrome, not on chromium, but we want those
[20:42] <dpm> fta, oh, so these are the chromium-specific ones?
[20:43] <fta> dpm, yep, depending which branding you build chromium with, it will use one or the other
[20:43] <fta> the common strings are in the biggest pile (generated_*)
[20:46] <fta> dpm, also, i'm not sure if i should care about PO-Revision-Date and POT-Revision-Date, like does lp import everything even if those dates are unchanged or do i have to bump those at each commit
[20:48] <dpm> fta, I wouldn't bother about PO-Revision-Date, it's not used for templates, and in PO files LP updates them. It might be worth bumping POT-Revision-Date whenever there is a new revision, to mimic what getext tools do. In any case, even if those fields are not updated, LP will import any new template commit
[20:49] <dpm> fta, ok, gotcha. What are the translations for webkit-strings needed for? Are they exclusively webkit? We've got  a gettext-based webkit template in Ubuntu already, but I can't think of an easy way to reuse those translations. If we are lucky and they turn out to be the same messages, LP will show suggestions for them and translators will only have to point and click.
[20:49] <fta> dpm, for the pot dates, i use mtime of the upstream grd
[20:49] <dpm> yeah, that sounds good
[20:50] <fta> no, this is for the chromium port/part of webkit (iirc, but i could check)
[20:51] <dpm> ok
[20:52] <fta> but not today, tired, 3h of sleep last night, not enough
[21:00] <dpm> fta, ok, go and get some sleep, great work!