/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/05/#kubuntu-devel.txt

shadeslayerdantti: i just had a idea, you should probably ask the user if he wants to place a desktop shortcut as well ( for the app he just installed )00:16
Riddellug, why?00:17
Riddellwe don't even have icons on the desktop now00:17
shadeslayerRiddell: helpful for new users? 00:17
danttidesktop icon imo just help them to get less organized :P00:18
danttiit's like their home is in it00:18
shadeslayerhmm... well ,, ideas which come at 5 AM are not always good :P00:18
danttilol00:18
DarkwingDuckDesktop Icons? I thought with plasma workspace we were away from pesky desktop icons00:18
DarkwingDuck:P00:19
DarkwingDuckYou know... Not having a job just paid off...00:19
danttishadeslayer: I the best I could do for that ui, is to tell the user where to find it too (though he can by seaarching it's description again)00:19
shadeslayerDarkwingDuck: hehehe00:19
dantti^I think...00:20
DarkwingDuckI actually get to go to Orlando00:20
shadeslayerhmm00:20
shadeslayerdantti: lemme sleep over it some more... 00:20
shadeslayermaybe ill get a better idea00:21
DarkwingDuckI'm kinda jazzed about it. Riddell will there be any Kubuntu stuff at UDS?00:21
shadeslayerDarkwingDuck: stuff as in?00:21
DarkwingDuckAnything.00:21
* DarkwingDuck never been to a UDS before this year00:21
RiddellDarkwingDuck: add what you want to do at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty00:22
DarkwingDuckKK Thanks Riddell00:22
DarkwingDuckI'm going to be doing anything and everything with Docs too00:22
shadeslayerNeon!!!! yayyyy00:23
shadeslayeralso... might also help in kubuntu mobile testing00:24
DarkwingDuck*nods*00:24
danttiRiddell: I added nvidia-* to the hardcoded list :P do you have anything else in mind?00:24
rbelemDarkwingDuck, if you want help with kubuntu mobile, ping me :-)00:25
shadeslayerrbelem: is the N900 supported ? :P00:26
shadeslayerim probably going to buy that sometime soonish ... possibly before UDS 00:26
rbelemshadeslayer, i'm writing some docs for that right now :-)00:26
shadeslayergreat!00:26
rbelemshadeslayer, i was just hacking my n900 a little bit00:27
shadeslayer:D00:27
shadeslayerok time to get back to sleep :)00:28
Riddelldantti: I think that's all00:29
DarkwingDuckrbelem: What phones you guys testing on?00:29
rbelemshadeslayer, have a good night00:29
rbelemDarkwingDuck, n900 for now00:29
DarkwingDuckrbelem: I have a Motorola Droid (Milestone)00:30
rbelemme too00:30
DarkwingDuckI've hacked/rooted it so I have full su on her... Somthing I would love to mess with. :D00:30
DarkwingDuckWould she work with it?00:30
rbelemDarkwingDuck, probably this one is the next on my list to hack00:31
DarkwingDuckrbelem: what can I do?00:31
rbelemDarkwingDuck, i did not test it yet, but i think that it works00:31
DarkwingDuckI don't see why it wouldn't... or rather, couldn't.00:31
DarkwingDuckrbelem: you going to be at UDS?00:32
rbelemDarkwingDuck, get a kubuntu-mobile image for arm and search how to use kexec on milestone00:32
rbelemDarkwingDuck, yup00:33
DarkwingDuckrbelem: aye, I'll poke at that tonight :D00:33
DarkwingDuckrbelem: epic, I finally get to meet a bunch that I've been working with for a while now.00:33
rbelemDarkwingDuck, but i'm still pending the visa :-(, i will try to get it 18 oct00:33
DarkwingDuckrbelem: :/ I hope you get it00:33
rbelem:-)00:34
rbelemi have to go00:34
rbelemmy wife is waiting for me :-D00:34
rbelembye00:35
DarkwingDuckrbelem: I'll let you know how it goes for milestone00:35
rbelemDarkwingDuck, cool! :-)00:35
DarkwingDuckDang... where do I get the kubuntu-mobile image?00:37
Riddellhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/releases/10.10/rc/00:38
DarkwingDuckthanks Riddell00:39
DarkwingDuckI had just found it :P00:39
txwikingerScottK: are you around?00:43
Riddelldantti: I'd like to go to bed in the next 15 minutes, is there any patches to be uploaded?00:50
danttiRiddell: can it be done tomorrow? there is a small fix to do in the changelogs part 00:53
txwikingerkubuntu-mobile... is that KNR?00:55
Riddelldantti: hmm, not really, CDs will start building shortly00:55
DarkwingDucktxwikinger: No, KNR is the Netbook. Kubuntu Mobile is for smarkphones00:57
DarkwingDuck*Smartphones00:57
txwikingerAh00:57
Riddellyou're so behind Ralph00:57
RiddellKNR doesn't exist any more00:57
DarkwingDuckNo, and I have to rewrite the dang docs for that :P00:58
DarkwingDuckIt's just another plasma desktop environment00:58
jjesseevening00:58
DarkwingDuckHey jjesse00:58
jjessehello DarkwingDuck00:58
jjesseDarkwingDuck you know that lp:kubuntu-docs is now natty correct?00:58
DarkwingDuckjjesse: aye00:58
DarkwingDuckjjesse: I was going to sit down with you after UDS for a god plan00:59
DarkwingDuckgood rather00:59
DarkwingDuckjjesse: we have a lot of changes again00:59
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jjessesry was in another window01:09
jjesseyeah we have a ton of changes01:09
jjessewe need to commit more and more01:09
DarkwingDuckjjesse: aye01:21
ScottKtxwikinger: Sort of01:50
txwikingerhi ScottK01:50
ScottKHello txwikinger01:51
txwikingerJust wondered if you know that in maverick KNR the network manager etc is translucent 01:51
txwikingerand some other stuff is not01:51
ScottKThat's by design, AFAIK.01:52
txwikingerhmm.. not very pretty01:52
ScottKIf you have the blur effect enabled it should be really cool.01:52
txwikingerit is very cool .. not sure if I have the blur effect enabled01:52
ScottKIt sounds like you do.01:53
nixternalI take it the composite stuff is screwed up again?01:54
Riddelldepends on what you mean by screwed up again01:54
Riddellwhee, whole of KDE SC packaged in an afternoon and long evening, cloud computing does have its uses01:55
ScottKThe functionality checks are, IMO, too conservative, so one has to enable compositing manually, but once enabled seem to work reasonably well on my hardware.01:55
ScottKMuch, much better than they were a coupld of weeks ago.01:55
nixternalScottK: Intel right? I have issues with konsole/yakuake, and chrome/firefox big time, as well as Shisen-Sho which should be everyone's favorite game :)01:58
ScottKnixternal: Yes.  It's calmed down a lot.01:59
Riddellkonsole is the pain for me01:59
ScottKWhich Intel?01:59
nixternal945 I believe01:59
* nixternal checks01:59
ScottKWhich 945?01:59
RiddellIntel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL96001:59
nixternal00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)01:59
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=0&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 001:59
nixternalyeah, 96501:59
Riddellsnap01:59
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ScottKI've got 945 GME which is find.  945 GML is OK after I turn a bunch of effects off.02:00
nixternalis that the one we have in the mini?02:00
ScottKThe OK one is the one in the 10v.02:00
nixternalI need to reinstall on it with maverick. last i turned it on it was garbage, though i think the mini 10 is garbage02:00
jjessei have a mini902:01
jjesseis that the one w/ the affected card?02:01
nixternalYUCK! Never get a pumpkin latte from dunkin donuts. it is fsck'in awful02:01
jjessecause last i tried it worked fine on maverick02:01
Riddellhmm, spent $2.05 on cloud computing to build KDE SC02:01
ScottKNice.02:01
nixternalnot to shabby02:01
nixternalwe should build a kubuntu cloud02:01
nixternali have a fairly powerful server to throw owncloud or something on02:02
nixternalget a few more boxes and we can be golden02:02
RiddellI don't think owncloud does CPU hire does it?02:03
DarkwingDuckRiddell: do I copy my arrive/depart into this wiki as well? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty02:04
DarkwingDuckhey nixternal02:04
RiddellDarkwingDuck: I expect there's a general UDS one which would be better02:04
DarkwingDuckRiddell: I've added it in there already02:04
DarkwingDuckRiddell: didn't know if we were keeping track as well02:04
Riddellno point having it duplicated02:05
ScottKWe can pick the Kubuntu people off the regular list.02:11
DarkwingDuckAgreed.02:13
DarkwingDuckJust got my flight info in02:13
jjesseDarkwingDuck you going to UDS?  that's awesome02:14
DarkwingDuckjjesse: aye, they approved my sponsership02:14
jjesseyay02:14
DarkwingDuck*Sponsorship02:14
DarkwingDuckAye! :D02:14
jjesseyou can refer to me as captain :)02:14
DarkwingDucklol02:14
jjesseso aye aye captain is the proper response02:14
DarkwingDuckalrighty skipper02:15
nixternaljjesse: you going to UDS?02:21
DarkwingDucknixternal: you going?02:21
nixternalunfortunately not02:21
DarkwingDuck:/02:21
nixternaldon't think i will get sponsored again, or at least it seems that way :)02:22
DarkwingDuckhehehe. I did this year. :)02:23
* DarkwingDuck rubs eyes02:23
nixternali was kind of hoping i would. i was going to bring my bike and enjoy some warm weather cycling during the off-season02:23
jjessenixternal you just have to beg harder :)02:23
ScottKnixternal: If you start now, you might make it.02:23
nixternalhehe02:23
nixternalScottK yells more than I do and he keeps getting sponsored...but he at least works for it, i am fairly useless there02:24
jjesseuds is in miami right?02:24
nixternali am not allowed to talk about some colored haired step children anymore02:24
DarkwingDuckI'm looking forward to meeting people there02:24
jjesseor orlando?02:24
DarkwingDuckOrlando02:24
nixternalwas gonna say, if it were in miami you couldn't pay me to go..though orlando isn't much better, but at least there are places to ride west of there02:25
jjesseaccording to google maps it will only take 4 days and 9 hours to get from chicago to orlando via bike02:25
nixternali am trying to go to europe next year for some cycling, so i have to save up some money02:25
DarkwingDucklol02:25
DarkwingDuck4 days and 9 hours on a bike?02:25
nixternaljjesse: yeah, but they think you will be riding straight, no sleep or rest02:26
jjesseonly 1231 miles02:26
nixternalyour ass would be bleeding if you rode that long02:26
nixternalthat would be about 2 weeks of riding for me, at about 100 miles a day. i could do 8 to 10 hours, but i would need sleep02:26
jjesseonly 878 turns02:27
DarkwingDuckhehehe02:28
nixternali want to ride the tour de france route within the next 2 years as well. there is a trip where you leave 2 hours after the racers do and you do the same exact routes and everything...that is whicked expensive though02:29
claydoh|werknixternal: I would hitchhike to fl. and crash UDS wearing a blue wig, except I don't have a blue wig02:29
nixternali do actually, and i recently found it while cleaning out my shed02:30
DarkwingDuckA blue wig and Orange jacket. :D02:30
jjessethats 11 hours of biking right?02:30
nixternali think it was part of a costume from either my x-gf or my x-wife02:30
nixternalwhat's 11 hours?02:30
nixternalthat is the amount of sleep i had after working the races and racing this weekend. i got my ass handed to me in both of my races02:31
claydoh|werkafter the numbness, what's the difference :)02:31
nigelblol02:31
claydoh|werki could only ever manage 3 hours when i was healthy, nowadays I can probably last an hour if its flat02:32
nixternalhttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/5001863841_bfe7ef4000_b_d.jpg <- there is my new bike, that seat will leave impressions on your intestines02:32
claydoh|werknice02:33
claydoh|werkI'd break it in two just sitting on it :D02:33
nixternaljust noticed my setup is silly, i have a lower spoke count carbon wheel on the front (where all the weight is planted) and a heavy duty aluminum racing wheel on the front02:33
nixternalcarbon fiber is actually stronger than aluminum for big people, no welds :)02:34
claydoh|werkwhat about, un stress fatigue 02:34
nixternalthere was a guy racing this weekend, he is 6'10" and weighs like 300lbs. He was pretty fast and strong too02:34
nixternalcarbon doesn't stress in that type of configuration02:34
nixternalit breaks if you fall though :)02:35
claydoh|werkI know, the bikes are tougher than they look02:35
nixternali would have thought opposite, but weight limits are higher on carbon bikes and components than they are on their aluminum counterparts02:35
nixternalthat back wheel I flex the hell out of when sprinting...you can hear it flex and hit the brake pads, but it springs right back...whicked fast and light wheel02:36
claydoh|werknixternal: good thing my mtb is aluminum, I wiped out last week going down a hill, my saddle was too high02:36
nixternali need to get a mtb02:36
nixternaland a cross bike02:36
claydoh|werkI miss my basso02:37
claydoh|werkbat that was back in the 80's02:37
nixternaloh my, i would love to have a basso...the diamante would be king02:37
nixternalprobably one of the finest, if not the finest, italian bike made02:38
claydoh|werkmine was their cheapest frame back then, about 400$ , the 'tour de france' 02:38
nixternal$400 then is about $2000 now02:39
claydoh|werkprobably, though the cheper bikes today are quite nice, quality-wise02:40
claydoh|werkthe shimano 105 sis was a pain to adjust, iirc -new tech back then02:43
nixternali am not a shimano fan, but my new trek madone has shimano ultegra. i would prefer sram force or red to be honest02:43
claydoh|werknowdays, the index shifting on my cheep mtb Just Works02:43
ScottKcarbon fiber shouldn't have fatigue issues on applications where the stress in primarily tensile (like a bicycle wheel)02:43
claydoh|werkwhat about fat rearends over pavement cracks :)02:44
nixternalthey typicall don't, unless of course you flex it to much, in which most cases it will shatter at that point...more of a catastrophic event02:44
claydoh|werkin frames rather02:44
nixternali have seen 300lbs. men riding carbon bikes with no probs02:44
claydoh|werkcool02:45
claydoh|werkbut for the $$ I can get a mega laptop/laptops :) I am quite happy with my aluminum hardtail mtb02:47
claydoh|werkthough i need to get new handlebar and maybe brake/shift lever, bent it enough I don02:48
claydoh|werkdon't think I can safely bend it back02:48
* claydoh|werk heads back to the job, customers be hungry , even this late02:49
ulysses!find quassel.mo10:16
ubottuFile quassel.mo found in language-pack-kde-ast-base, language-pack-kde-ca-base, language-pack-kde-cs-base, language-pack-kde-da-base, language-pack-kde-de-base, language-pack-kde-en-base, language-pack-kde-es-base, language-pack-kde-et-base, language-pack-kde-fi-base, language-pack-kde-fr-base (and 18 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=quassel.mo&mode=&suite=lucid&arch=any10:16
ulyssesI found the source of the UI bug of Quassel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/quassel3.png10:20
ulyssesIt comes from the Hungarian translation in Transifex10:20
Riddelleww10:27
ulyssesI can't understand how it works, they use both Launchpad and Transifex, and imports them to Quassel? Shortly, it sucks10:28
ScottKulysses: It's necessary to import them into Quassel because LP doesn't support Qt translations.10:36
ScottKSput: ^^^ Can al fix that?10:37
SputScottK: that's for al to answer :)10:38
ulyssesSo the translation from Launchpad is imported to Quassel, then Launchpad imports with the imported translation back, and the language pack will be generated from that?10:38
ulyssesBut the source package on Launchpad and Quassel/i18n-master on Launchpad doesn't contain the error, how is it possible, if they are from upstream (I think)?10:43
ScottKSput: I'm offline all of today, can you check it out with him please?10:49
ulyssesCouldn't we change the default IRC client back from Quassel to Konversation?10:55
ulyssesNot now of course, but in 11.0410:55
alvinWhy would you do that?10:57
ScottKIt can be discussed, but we've used Quassel for several releases now.  It would take a strong reason, IMO.10:58
SputScottK: I guess al will read backlog10:58
Sputulysses: LP and Transifex are synchronized, afaik, and during compile time the .po files will be converted to .qm files. Maybe apachelogger succeeds in writing a gettext-capable QTranslator though. that would solve this problem...10:59
ulyssesPersonally I don't use Quassel, but all Hungarian user use it (because it's the default), but if I can gather enough argument, I'll start a discussion, no matter what the result will be.11:00
ulyssesSput: good to hear11:00
Sputal manages all that and will certainly be very interested in any problems that come up with translations. it works well for most languages, so it should be a solvable problem11:00
ulysses!find quassel.qm11:37
ubottuPackage/file quassel.qm does not exist in lucid11:37
ulysses!find hu.qm11:37
ubottuFile hu.qm found in bibletime-data, canorus-data, cdcat, fet, git-cola, keepassx, kphone, kseg, musescore-common, mytharchive (and 22 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=hu.qm&mode=&suite=lucid&arch=any11:38
Riddell** testers needed for 4.5.211:54
RiddellJames147: got that?12:01
James147Riddell: yup, upgrading now12:02
Riddellgroovy12:02
Riddellagateau: I take it we've had all the code we're going to from you, no last second patches?12:10
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MamarokRiddell: from where?12:24
Mamarokstaging?12:24
RiddellMamarok: kubuntu-ninjas12:25
Riddelldo you have the details?12:25
Mamaroknope12:25
Riddellmsg'ed12:26
Riddellamd64 shouldn't be long12:27
markeyfrom Identi.ca: "After dayly upgrades on !kubuntu ☛ maverick !kde ☛ I get a black screen after login, can just switch on tty: intel i915 and others seems broken"12:32
markeyI guess I better wait a bit :)12:32
markeymy last upgrade was yesterday, that worked fine12:32
Riddellbug reports by microblogging!  it's the future!12:34
markeythe future is now!12:34
Riddellmicroblogging is such an insanely bad method of communication, I think aseigo proved that already today12:36
RiddellJames147: what news?12:37
James147Riddell: upgrade went fine, no errors12:38
James147Riddell: kde4-config reports version 4.5.212:38
Riddellrocking12:39
shadeslayerhehehe12:41
shadeslayerRiddell: cool that we got passes to qt dev days :)12:43
Riddellshadeslayer: want to go?  just needs you to find your way to Europe by next week :)12:45
shadeslayerhehe... i wont get a visa in time :P12:45
* shadeslayer is free for 2 weeks till 17th12:46
Riddellshadeslayer: oh we got the Rupee symbol into the Ubuntu font, so now's our chance to take over India before other OSs catch up12:46
shadeslayerooohhh12:46
shadeslayerbut... theres no rupee symbol on the keyboard :P12:46
Riddellminor detail12:46
shadeslayeri might go to my previous school in a few days and tell then about *buntu .... maybe theyll switch to edubuntu and such12:48
Riddellbah, switch to kubuntu!12:48
Riddelleducational software is far better on the KDE side :)12:48
shadeslayerill show them all the options, whatever they like best :P12:48
shadeslayerthey need logo and stuff12:49
nigelbah, speaking of which12:49
nigelbwhere's the kubuntu talk in open week!12:49
* shadeslayer looks at Riddell12:50
Riddellnigelb: what should we talk about?12:50
nigelbRiddell: convince everyone kubuntu is awesome and switch to it ;p12:50
shadeslayeri thought we did that already :P12:51
nigelbactually though, you could talk about how people could contribute to kubuntu and where a new comer could help12:51
Riddellnigelb: ok, put me down for "Kubuntu is awesome" at 16:00 on Monday12:51
shadeslayernigelb: except.. what do you use? :>12:51
nigelbshadeslayer: debian lenny :/12:51
* nigelb hugs rid12:51
nigelberr12:51
* nigelb hugs Riddell 12:51
shadeslayer:S12:51
shadeslayerhmm.. itll be 9.30 PM IST .. ill be there as well .. to support Riddell12:52
Riddellgreat12:53
shadeslayerRiddell: where are our maverick t-shirts on shop.canonical? with kubuntu logo and such12:54
Riddellthey've never done those for variants12:54
shadeslayerthere are some kubuntu tshirts with old logo tho12:54
shadeslayerok ill take up koffice12:57
shadeslayerhmm.. no koffice beta 1?12:58
shadeslayer( like packaged )12:58
Riddellseems not12:59
shadeslayerwell then12:59
shadeslayerhmm.. main servers are pretty loaded i think13:05
Riddellnothing compared to next week13:06
shadeslayerim getting 40KBps on a 70KBps connection...13:06
RiddellMamarok: amd64 should be good for testing now13:06
shadeslayerbut yeah..13:07
shadeslayernext week is going to be epic13:07
MamarokRiddell: thanks a lot!13:07
nigelbRiddell: you are good to go, talk to akgraner, give her a photo for your fans and a brief of what you want to talk about, etc13:09
freeflyingRiddell: are we using the same preseed file as ubuntu does?13:20
shadeslayergahh.. its back.. the ssh bug in dolphin....13:23
shadeslayerkeeps asking my password everytime i go into a folder on ktown13:24
Riddellfreeflying: this might be the answer you want http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/data/maverick/preseed/kubuntu/kubuntu.seed13:24
freeflyingRiddell: thanks13:26
shadeslayerRiddell: btw the copying dialog is not shown for remote files when you uncheck it in the notifier13:27
agateauRiddell: yes, all my work is in afaik13:27
shadeslayeragateau: you work on qtdbus right?13:30
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Riddellclaydoh: ping13:37
Riddelltime to start thing about final release page?13:37
claydohRiddell: yes,it is my only agenda item for today13:38
* claydoh stretches, time to rise and shine, whatever that is supposed to mean13:39
RiddellI knew we could rely on you claydoh :)13:40
claydohRiddell: is there any particular overall focus or theme we want to highlight for this release?13:41
shadeslayerclaydoh: new browser, even better kpk13:41
shadeslayerbug fixes...13:41
ulyssesBlueDevil13:41
shadeslayergoogle gadget plasma support13:42
shadeslayerah.. plasma-netbook is now merged13:42
claydohshadeslayer: yes, but is there any overall feeling, or concept, for this development cycle ?13:42
claydohkubuntu'd exclusive (stm) kpk interface is definitely one point13:43
* claydoh dons glasses13:43
Riddellclaydoh: that KDE 4 is a winning platform with complete and innovative desktop software13:43
Riddellclaydoh: Ubuntu font too for the details, first OS with Rupee symbol13:44
shadeslayerhehehe :D13:44
claydohwow , that didn't exist already? 13:45
Riddellit only got decided a few weeks ago13:45
claydohbut still, seems strange13:46
Riddellhttp://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/rupee.png  our ticket to winning over another continent13:52
* claydoh losses the battle: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx.sux13:54
shadeslayerRiddell: continent? its a country :P14:00
Riddellsub-continent then14:01
Riddellif a billion Indians all convert to Kubuntu on Sunday I recon the neighbouring countries will follow soon after14:01
Riddellmight take until Tuesday, but they'll do it14:01
* jussi is currently upgrading to maverick...14:44
Riddelljussi: let us know how you get on14:45
jussiRiddell: sure, Im upgrading from a lucid + ppa machine, hope there arent too many issues...14:45
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apacheloggerI am going to florida \o/15:17
Riddellfor the surf?15:18
Nightroseapachelogger: \o/15:20
Riddellyou're going to Fantasy Fest?15:20
Riddellyou're going to watch a space rocket take off?15:21
Nightrose:D15:21
Tm_Tno, to see local fluffy pink unicorns there15:22
Nightroseyes!15:22
apacheloggerohhhh15:23
apacheloggerI should have added fluffy to the interests on the attendees list15:23
apacheloggerdang15:23
Tm_Talso, I'm terribly sorry... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2010-October/004993.html15:24
RiddellTm_T: now's the time to plan the Kubuntu takeover of Finland!15:26
Tm_TRiddell: ]shhhhhh, this is logged channel15:28
* Tm_T hides15:28
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apacheloggerneversfelde: are you going to the qt dev days?15:58
Riddell4.5.2 is in updates PPA, testing needed16:16
\shapachelogger: you are attending UDS?16:21
apachelogger\sh: more like I am attending Disney World and stop by at UDS :P16:21
\shapachelogger: nice :)16:22
Riddellagateau: are you aware we still have a patch for gwenview in our packages?16:30
Riddell  * kubuntu_02_gwenview_add_camera_solid_action.diff: Added a solid action16:30
Riddell    for opening cameras with gwenview_importer16:30
agateauRiddell: ah yes, it is in kde trunk, so should be dropped when 4.6 is out16:30
Riddellgroovy16:31
claydohapachelogger: unicorn vs Dolph Lundgren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ryQ8N_Lv017:01
shadeslayerRiddell: updating to 4.5.2 .. 17:03
shadeslayerermm17:05
shadeslayerits not in updates17:05
shadeslayerwait.. 17:05
shadeslayerdoh.. that was staging17:06
danttiRiddell: got my patches?17:06
* shadeslayer hugs apachelogger17:08
shadeslayerapachelogger: where did you go for the past 2 days? 0_o17:08
neversfeldeapachelogger: I do not program in Qt, so no17:08
apacheloggerneversfelde: but you really should17:09
* apachelogger got a calculus excerise due on friday, so he surely cannot go ^^17:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: trying not to fall over my own depression17:09
neversfeldeapachelogger: I would have to learn it first and I have no time17:09
neversfeldeand probably no talent17:10
apacheloggermaybe I should do an only tutorial17:10
apacheloggerCute in 24h17:10
shadeslayerhehe....17:10
apacheloggerclaydoh: lolz17:10
apacheloggerso17:12
apacheloggerhot news:17:12
claydohapachelogger: made me hink of you, even if it wasn't pink ;)17:12
apachelogger:: likeback is being turned into a lib by yours truely ::17:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: also... behind you back we branded choqok, go auth twitter with choqok and see the magic17:12
Riddelldantti: yes, they're in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/0.6.8-0ubuntu317:12
danttiRiddell: k, nice :) now let me finish kpk :P17:13
apachelogger:: kmix is broken - since it lacks backend preference system it will try to use bogus backends such as OSS if that happens to turn up in the internal list before alsa ::17:13
apachelogger:: apachelogger is going to check out the strange happenings WRT showcock ::17:13
apacheloggershadeslayer: sweet17:14
shadeslayer:)17:14
apacheloggershadeslayer: now you just need to use my HttpDaemon from ubuntu-sso gsoc foo and get rid of that horrible pin entering17:15
shadeslayerit shows kubuntu choqok now right?17:15
apacheloggerthat is so not user experiencable17:15
apacheloggeroauth is so not user experiencable17:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: yus17:15
shadeslayerhmm ..17:16
shadeslayerthat would be nice.. not to enter stupid pin17:16
apacheloggernow here is a thought17:16
apacheloggerThe application Kubuntu Choqok microblogging by Kubuntu17:16
apacheloggerwoudl that microblogging be translated?17:17
shadeslayerIIRC no.. thats on twitter ...17:18
shadeslayerso unless twitter supports other languages on its webpages...17:18
apacheloggerhow17:18
apacheloggerabout17:18
apacheloggernot17:18
apacheloggerwriting microblogging then?17:18
apacheloggerThe application Choqok by Kubuntu ... yaydayaydaya17:18
apacheloggerwhile it is not undoubtable that Choqok might be translated it is considerably less likely than "microblogging" not having a locale synonym17:19
apacheloggershadeslayer: ad, getting rid of the pin... http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/HttpDaemon.cpp17:20
shadeslayermicroblogging removed17:20
apacheloggerstart that up before doing an oauth call, then ensure the oauth call has localhost:whateverport as callback set and fire oauth, once oauth is complete twitter sends the browser to localhost:whateverport where you can dislplay fancy foo "SUCCESS"17:21
apacheloggerand under the hood you grab the oauth stuff out of the callback17:21
apacheloggerin particular line 83 for example implements that foo that is to be shown and the if after that parses stuff for ubuntu one17:22
shadeslayeri dont understand a word there, but *nod* *nod* *nod*17:23
apacheloggermy oh my17:34
nixternaldon't know if I said this before or not, but the new desktop installer is the bomb diggity! love how it starts the install process right after drive partitioning, even if you haven't finished typing everything in. so much nicer! great job!17:36
shadeslayernixternal: yeah its been said before... by me :P17:37
apacheloggercan you please not be redundant, no wonder the backlogs here are always that large :P17:38
shadeslayerRiddell: upgrade went fine on fresh install of kubuntu17:38
shadeslayerbrb 17:38
shadeslayerRiddell: can i put rekonq 0.6.1 in updates?17:40
Riddellshadeslayer: is it out?17:40
shadeslayerits been tagged17:40
shadeslayerand adjam is writing a mail about our 0.7 objectives, so yeah itll be out in a few hours17:41
Riddellhmm17:41
Riddellwhat's in it?17:41
shadeslayerloads of bugfixes and translations17:41
shadeslayerhttp://gitorious.org/rekonq/mainline/commits/Branches.0.617:42
shadeslayerwait.. he released it i think17:43
shadeslayeryeah17:43
shadeslayerhttp://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/rekonq+Web+Browser?content=94258&PHPSESSID=73b27bdcbeeb455b86ce4928eff1c9cc17:43
nigelbyay, india takes over!17:43
shadeslayernigelb: heheh :D17:44
apacheloggerwhat, whom, where?17:47
apacheloggerno one is taking over nothing without seeking approval of the supreme dalek first!!!!17:47
Riddellshadeslayer: go package, we can ponder where to put it when we test it17:47
Riddellshadeslayer: oh wait, you're still doing koffice?17:47
shadeslayeryeah, koffice is in pbuilder17:47
shadeslayeri can work on rekonq as well17:47
Riddellapachelogger: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/433117:48
Riddellshadeslayer: at UDS it might be worth looking into what it would take to get it onto keyboard maps17:48
shadeslayerkeyboard maps??17:49
shadeslayerlike mapping keys to hindi symbols?17:49
Riddellwell to the Rupee symbol17:50
shadeslayerah17:50
shadeslayersure why not17:52
=== rdieter_work is now known as rdieter
claydohwhoa! blur is da bom b!17:55
apacheloggerRiddell: uh :D17:58
shadeslayerRiddell: btw did you send in the request for the Kubuntu 10.04 CD's?18:02
Riddellshadeslayer: for Ravi Maggon?18:02
shadeslayeryeah18:03
Riddellshadeslayer: yes but it only got processed today for some reason18:06
shadeslayerah ok 18:07
shadeslayerany tentative dates by which they will reach?18:08
RiddellI've no idea18:09
shadeslayerhmm .. ok thanks alot :D18:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: lol : 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it. :: while authing to t twitter18:10
shadeslayerzomg something is broken here18:11
apacheloggerthe server mutst be grumpy with you...18:11
rdieterRiddell (and friends) : I was talking with mgraesslin in #kwin about strategies to make kwin/blur not suck, and he suggested "disable GLSL" and "I think Kubuntu will use a driconfig to disable GLSL".  if so, mind sparing a few moments and sharing how you did that?18:15
Riddellrdieter: I've not kept up as closely with the compositing issues as maybe I should, ScottK might be a better person to ask but he's not around today18:17
Riddellthat sounds like an X thing so maybe RAOF would be the guy to ask18:17
Riddellproofreaders: kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.218:17
rdieterRiddell: thanks, I'll keep digging around, and try poking later18:17
shadeslayerRiddell: i think we should add a screenshot there 18:21
shadeslayeron how to add to kpk18:22
shadeslayeroh wait.. we have wiki entry18:22
shadeslayerlooks great :D18:23
* shadeslayer wants PPA links to be clickable from next time18:23
shadeslayerclick-> ppa gets added....18:23
Riddellshadeslayer: I'd like that too but people aren't happy with the resulting security issues18:24
neversfeldewe disabled tray icons for quassel and kopete, right? kopete isn't closed when hitting the close button, but quassel is shutting down18:24
shadeslayeryeah...18:24
shadeslayerneversfelde: IIRC thats quassels behaviour18:25
shadeslayeralso no kopete systray icon annoys me18:25
neversfeldewell, you can change it, when activating the tray icon, but not if only using the message indicator18:26
neversfeldeI'm not sure, if I should call this a bug, but it is confusing for our users :)18:26
shadeslayerRiddell: rekonq is done, im putting it in my ppa for testing 18:26
Riddellshadeslayer: thanks18:27
Riddellgroovy, 4.5.2 out, thanks for the help shadeslayer and bulldog98 18:29
shadeslayer:)18:29
Riddelltime for a canoe18:29
shadeslayerrekonq 0.6.1 packages in https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages18:30
shadeslayerLP hasnt processed the upload yet :(18:30
=== rdieter is now known as rdieter_work
=== rdieter_ is now known as rdieter
shadeslayerneversfelde: still cant see it18:31
shadeslayeri have it in message indicator18:31
shadeslayernot in systray tho18:31
neversfeldeshadeslayer: mhh18:32
neversfeldehere it is shutting down, after clicking the close button18:32
neversfeldeI'll try it again18:32
neversfeldeshadeslayer: no, does not work18:34
neversfeldeI have "client only", probably that's the problem18:35
shadeslayerhold on 18:35
shadeslayerneversfelde: Settings > Configure Quassel18:35
shadeslayerShow System Tray Icon > Hide to tray on clise18:36
shadeslayer*close18:36
neversfeldeyes, I did this18:36
neversfeldeonly works when tray icon is used18:36
shadeslayerand it doesnt respect that? ( also kopete showed up in systray )18:36
shadeslayerah18:36
shadeslayeryou want it to hide to systray when when theres no icon?18:36
neversfeldeshadeslayer: yes, to the message indicator, like kopete does18:37
shadeslayeroh no idea18:37
neversfeldeit is not very consequent, if these applications react different18:38
neversfeldeI think I'll file a bug report next time I can use LP18:38
shadeslayerweird ... identi.ca doesnt post to twitter any more 0_o18:44
danttiRiddell: so I fixed the kpk update ui bugs, (re added the check for new updates button), now how will the automatic check for updates stay? I'm going to release the 0.6.2 now 19:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: what do you suggest if i want to release rekonq 0.6.1 to people on lucid?19:31
shadeslayeri have upload rights to lp.net/~rekonq19:31
apacheloggerbackports?19:32
shadeslayerrequires KDE 4.5.119:33
apacheloggerwe do have KDE 4.5.1 in backports, do we not?19:33
shadeslayerwe do? :O19:33
apacheloggerwhy does it have such a high requirement anyway19:34
shadeslayeroh wait19:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: you mean kubuntu backports? or lucid-backports?19:34
shadeslayer*shrug*19:34
apacheloggerkubuntu backports19:35
apacheloggerthough does 4.5 reqiure Qt 4.7? I dont think it does, so we could technically target backports with it?19:36
apacheloggerthat is if someone would want to do it and ScottK lets it into backports19:36
apacheloggerScottK: I just talked to notmart about switching plasma-netbook to raster for first 11.04, he's ok, so I think we should give that a try19:37
shadeslayerIIRC kde 4.5.1 doesnt require qt 4.719:39
apacheloggerulysses: did I mention that someone broke the formatting of the team report?19:43
apacheloggeri.e. header must use === IIRC or maybe ==== otherwise inclusion into the main team report page does not work19:44
ulyssesapachelogger: not yet. EXTERMINATE HIM19:44
apacheloggerI already fixed that last month :P19:44
apacheloggerwell19:44
apacheloggerlast last month19:44
apacheloggerdidnt notice for september in time 19:44
apacheloggermaybe add a comment about not changing the header?19:44
apacheloggeralso as a self-reminder I suppose19:44
ulyssesit could be useful19:44
* apachelogger introduces maco to http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qwidget.html#windowIcon-prop ;)19:47
yuriy_workwhere can i get the countdown?19:50
shadeslayeryuriy_work: sheytan designed it.. and theres always the ubuntu countdown page19:52
shadeslayeralso line 59 of view-source:http://www.kubuntu.org/19:53
ari-tczewdebfx: ping19:54
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw AA is on by default now right?19:55
apacheloggerAA?19:56
shadeslayerAnti aliasing19:56
apachelogger*shrug*19:56
* shadeslayer pokes Riddell with http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour#feature-tour-apps-internet 19:56
shadeslayerDefault is now rekonq :P19:56
ari-tczewdebfx: I saw your debian bug 598008, I guess that you could use our current delta as patch for fix this debian bug.19:57
ubottuDebian bug 598008 in tiles,libspring-2.5-java "Circular build dependency between tiles and libspring-2.5-java" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/59800819:57
apacheloggerrekonq \o/19:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: want to upgrade to 0.6.1 ?19:59
shadeslayerhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~rekonq/+archive/rekonq19:59
apacheloggernah19:59
* apachelogger is wondering why he does not have the you bun too font :(19:59
shadeslayeryou dont have it? :O20:00
apacheloggernoes20:00
shadeslayerthats the first thing i changed after installing :P20:00
apacheloggeralso clicking the defaults butt0n in the fonts kcm does not do no nothing20:00
shadeslayerwhat have you done! :D20:00
apacheloggerwell20:01
apacheloggerI say20:01
apacheloggerthere is a bug20:01
apacheloggerBUG!!!!!20:01
apacheloggereeeeeek20:01
shadeslayerubuntu-bug apachelogger :>20:01
apacheloggeroha20:01
apacheloggeromg20:01
apacheloggeromgYouBunToo20:01
apacheloggerdefaults sets stuff to Sans Serif20:02
apacheloggerwhatever that is20:02
apacheloggergrrrrrrrrrr20:02
apacheloggersomething is fishy20:02
apacheloggeralso it looks sorta strange20:03
eMyllerholy cow, 5 days left20:06
eMyllerdid anyone see sheytan?20:06
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot69.png20:06
apacheloggeryou know20:06
apacheloggerthat actually hurts my eyes20:06
alwow, that's ugly20:07
apacheloggermaybe the font size is too small?20:07
alunhinted font at not enough dpi maybe?20:08
apacheloggeroh wellz20:08
apacheloggerI dont know20:08
* apachelogger doesnt know the next thing about font rendering20:08
apacheloggerRiddell, ScottK ^20:08
apacheloggerbumping it up one point made it better http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot70.png20:09
apacheloggerbetter readable though, it still looks most awkward20:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: use slight hinting 20:10
apacheloggershadeslayer: do they release notes say "use slight hinting"?20:10
shadeslayerno20:10
apacheloggerbecause if not, then I consider this a seriously grave regression in the RC20:10
shadeslayerbut they should20:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.com/htZr7YDp20:11
apacheloggeris there a bug report about this?20:12
shadeslayerno20:12
apacheloggerwhy not?20:12
shadeslayerdunno20:14
debfxari-tczew: what ubuntu delta?20:14
ari-tczewdebfx: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiles/2.2.1-2ubuntu120:15
debfxhow does that break the circular build-dependency?20:16
debfxari-tczew: it isn't fixed in ubuntu, someone just cheated by manually installing some packages in the buildd20:23
=== DarkwingDuck_ is now known as DarkwingDuck
apacheloggerdebfx: lol, that is cool20:24
shadeslayerzomg20:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.com/reGjfarV :: from koffice20:28
shadeslayerthat doesnt look right20:28
shadeslayerseeing that there are a bunch of .png files in that folder along with that docbook20:29
apacheloggerwill be autodetected and installed20:29
apacheloggerall hidden away behind that macro20:29
shadeslayerah ok20:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: but then why arent kchart docs getting installed properly ?20:31
shadeslayeri can see those files in sources20:32
shadeslayerbut not in debian/tmp/*20:32
apacheloggermaybe they are not used?20:32
shadeslayertheyre there in last release 20:32
apacheloggermaybe they are not used?20:33
shadeslayerthen why are they there ? 0_O20:34
apacheloggerbecause they need to be redone as reference?20:34
apacheloggeryou are asking the wrong questions :P20:34
shadeslayerhmm20:36
shadeslayerwhats indubuntu :D20:37
macoapachelogger: what i do wrong?21:06
macoapachelogger: if you're referring to my gally screenshot on my blog i said its /old/ screenshot... there's an icon in the release21:06
Riddelldantti: how do you mean "now how will the automatic check for updates stay?" ?22:01
RiddellI'd like to remove that box for maverick22:01
danttiRiddell: yes, that's what i was asking, imo we could let both there since I believe proxied users won't have automatic updates22:25
Riddellthey will if they set their proxy in the apt settings (yet another example of why proxy settings should be a freedesktop.org spec)22:27
Riddellbut both is confusing really22:27
RiddellI'd rather disable it in kpackagekit for maverick and swap them around for natty22:27
Riddelldantti: anyway, is there something to be uploaded for kpackagekit besides that?22:27
danttiRiddell: yes, the problem is that they set kde proxy and have it working in kpk but sowft-prop does not work22:28
danttiRiddell: yes there are some fixes in the updateDetails that I found with the changelog stuff.. 22:29
danttiif shethan was here he could help me fix the animations which got broken since kde4.5/qt4.722:32
Riddellgosh, not only is the way Launchpad handles inactive bugs changing, but they're good enough to inform me 20 times23:27
JontheEchidnaFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU- @ LP23:56
JontheEchidna"Your auto-expiry settings have been set to off, even though this project does not use LP for bug tracking"23:56
JontheEchidnaSomebody needs to capture the LP devs and send them to "learn how to have your application email responsibly" camp, for Rosetta and this23:57
Riddell23:27 < Riddell> gosh, not only is the way Launchpad handles inactive bugs changing, but they're good enough to inform me 20 times23:59
Riddellyou missed my previous bitching :)23:59
txwikingerRiddell: what could be the reason for network manager in maverick not coming up?23:59

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