[00:16] <shadeslayer> dantti: i just had a idea, you should probably ask the user if he wants to place a desktop shortcut as well ( for the app he just installed )
[00:17] <Riddell> ug, why?
[00:17] <Riddell> we don't even have icons on the desktop now
[00:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: helpful for new users? 
[00:18] <dantti> desktop icon imo just help them to get less organized :P
[00:18] <dantti> it's like their home is in it
[00:18] <shadeslayer> hmm... well ,, ideas which come at 5 AM are not always good :P
[00:18] <dantti> lol
[00:18] <DarkwingDuck> Desktop Icons? I thought with plasma workspace we were away from pesky desktop icons
[00:19] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[00:19] <DarkwingDuck> You know... Not having a job just paid off...
[00:19] <dantti> shadeslayer: I the best I could do for that ui, is to tell the user where to find it too (though he can by seaarching it's description again)
[00:19] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: hehehe
[00:20] <dantti> ^I think...
[00:20] <DarkwingDuck> I actually get to go to Orlando
[00:20] <shadeslayer> hmm
[00:20] <shadeslayer> dantti: lemme sleep over it some more... 
[00:21] <shadeslayer> maybe ill get a better idea
[00:21] <DarkwingDuck> I'm kinda jazzed about it. Riddell will there be any Kubuntu stuff at UDS?
[00:21] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: stuff as in?
[00:21] <DarkwingDuck> Anything.
[00:21]  * DarkwingDuck never been to a UDS before this year
[00:22] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: add what you want to do at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty
[00:22] <DarkwingDuck> KK Thanks Riddell
[00:22] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to be doing anything and everything with Docs too
[00:23] <shadeslayer> Neon!!!! yayyyy
[00:24] <shadeslayer> also... might also help in kubuntu mobile testing
[00:24] <DarkwingDuck> *nods*
[00:24] <dantti> Riddell: I added nvidia-* to the hardcoded list :P do you have anything else in mind?
[00:25] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, if you want help with kubuntu mobile, ping me :-)
[00:26] <shadeslayer> rbelem: is the N900 supported ? :P
[00:26] <shadeslayer> im probably going to buy that sometime soonish ... possibly before UDS 
[00:26] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i'm writing some docs for that right now :-)
[00:26] <shadeslayer> great!
[00:27] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i was just hacking my n900 a little bit
[00:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[00:28] <shadeslayer> ok time to get back to sleep :)
[00:29] <Riddell> dantti: I think that's all
[00:29] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: What phones you guys testing on?
[00:29] <rbelem> shadeslayer, have a good night
[00:29] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, n900 for now
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: I have a Motorola Droid (Milestone)
[00:30] <rbelem> me too
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> I've hacked/rooted it so I have full su on her... Somthing I would love to mess with. :D
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> Would she work with it?
[00:31] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, probably this one is the next on my list to hack
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: what can I do?
[00:31] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, i did not test it yet, but i think that it works
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> I don't see why it wouldn't... or rather, couldn't.
[00:32] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: you going to be at UDS?
[00:32] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, get a kubuntu-mobile image for arm and search how to use kexec on milestone
[00:33] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, yup
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: aye, I'll poke at that tonight :D
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: epic, I finally get to meet a bunch that I've been working with for a while now.
[00:33] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, but i'm still pending the visa :-(, i will try to get it 18 oct
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: :/ I hope you get it
[00:34] <rbelem> :-)
[00:34] <rbelem> i have to go
[00:34] <rbelem> my wife is waiting for me :-D
[00:35] <rbelem> bye
[00:35] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: I'll let you know how it goes for milestone
[00:35] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, cool! :-)
[00:37] <DarkwingDuck> Dang... where do I get the kubuntu-mobile image?
[00:38] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/releases/10.10/rc/
[00:39] <DarkwingDuck> thanks Riddell
[00:39] <DarkwingDuck> I had just found it :P
[00:43] <txwikinger> ScottK: are you around?
[00:50] <Riddell> dantti: I'd like to go to bed in the next 15 minutes, is there any patches to be uploaded?
[00:53] <dantti> Riddell: can it be done tomorrow? there is a small fix to do in the changelogs part 
[00:55] <txwikinger> kubuntu-mobile... is that KNR?
[00:55] <Riddell> dantti: hmm, not really, CDs will start building shortly
[00:57] <DarkwingDuck> txwikinger: No, KNR is the Netbook. Kubuntu Mobile is for smarkphones
[00:57] <DarkwingDuck> *Smartphones
[00:57] <txwikinger> Ah
[00:57] <Riddell> you're so behind Ralph
[00:57] <Riddell> KNR doesn't exist any more
[00:58] <DarkwingDuck> No, and I have to rewrite the dang docs for that :P
[00:58] <DarkwingDuck> It's just another plasma desktop environment
[00:58] <jjesse> evening
[00:58] <DarkwingDuck> Hey jjesse
[00:58] <jjesse> hello DarkwingDuck
[00:58] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck you know that lp:kubuntu-docs is now natty correct?
[00:58] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: aye
[00:59] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I was going to sit down with you after UDS for a god plan
[00:59] <DarkwingDuck> good rather
[00:59] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: we have a lot of changes again
[01:09] <jjesse> sry was in another window
[01:09] <jjesse> yeah we have a ton of changes
[01:09] <jjesse> we need to commit more and more
[01:21] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: aye
[01:50] <ScottK> txwikinger: Sort of
[01:50] <txwikinger> hi ScottK
[01:51] <ScottK> Hello txwikinger
[01:51] <txwikinger> Just wondered if you know that in maverick KNR the network manager etc is translucent 
[01:51] <txwikinger> and some other stuff is not
[01:52] <ScottK> That's by design, AFAIK.
[01:52] <txwikinger> hmm.. not very pretty
[01:52] <ScottK> If you have the blur effect enabled it should be really cool.
[01:52] <txwikinger> it is very cool .. not sure if I have the blur effect enabled
[01:53] <ScottK> It sounds like you do.
[01:54] <nixternal> I take it the composite stuff is screwed up again?
[01:54] <Riddell> depends on what you mean by screwed up again
[01:55] <Riddell> whee, whole of KDE SC packaged in an afternoon and long evening, cloud computing does have its uses
[01:55] <ScottK> The functionality checks are, IMO, too conservative, so one has to enable compositing manually, but once enabled seem to work reasonably well on my hardware.
[01:55] <ScottK> Much, much better than they were a coupld of weeks ago.
[01:58] <nixternal> ScottK: Intel right? I have issues with konsole/yakuake, and chrome/firefox big time, as well as Shisen-Sho which should be everyone's favorite game :)
[01:59] <ScottK> nixternal: Yes.  It's calmed down a lot.
[01:59] <Riddell> konsole is the pain for me
[01:59] <ScottK> Which Intel?
[01:59] <nixternal> 945 I believe
[01:59]  * nixternal checks
[01:59] <ScottK> Which 945?
[01:59] <Riddell> Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
[01:59] <nixternal> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[01:59] <nixternal> yeah, 965
[01:59] <Riddell> snap
[02:00] <ScottK> I've got 945 GME which is find.  945 GML is OK after I turn a bunch of effects off.
[02:00] <nixternal> is that the one we have in the mini?
[02:00] <ScottK> The OK one is the one in the 10v.
[02:00] <nixternal> I need to reinstall on it with maverick. last i turned it on it was garbage, though i think the mini 10 is garbage
[02:01] <jjesse> i have a mini9
[02:01] <jjesse> is that the one w/ the affected card?
[02:01] <nixternal> YUCK! Never get a pumpkin latte from dunkin donuts. it is fsck'in awful
[02:01] <jjesse> cause last i tried it worked fine on maverick
[02:01] <Riddell> hmm, spent $2.05 on cloud computing to build KDE SC
[02:01] <ScottK> Nice.
[02:01] <nixternal> not to shabby
[02:01] <nixternal> we should build a kubuntu cloud
[02:02] <nixternal> i have a fairly powerful server to throw owncloud or something on
[02:02] <nixternal> get a few more boxes and we can be golden
[02:03] <Riddell> I don't think owncloud does CPU hire does it?
[02:04] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: do I copy my arrive/depart into this wiki as well? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty
[02:04] <DarkwingDuck> hey nixternal
[02:04] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: I expect there's a general UDS one which would be better
[02:04] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I've added it in there already
[02:04] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: didn't know if we were keeping track as well
[02:05] <Riddell> no point having it duplicated
[02:11] <ScottK> We can pick the Kubuntu people off the regular list.
[02:13] <DarkwingDuck> Agreed.
[02:13] <DarkwingDuck> Just got my flight info in
[02:14] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck you going to UDS?  that's awesome
[02:14] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: aye, they approved my sponsership
[02:14] <jjesse> yay
[02:14] <DarkwingDuck> *Sponsorship
[02:14] <DarkwingDuck> Aye! :D
[02:14] <jjesse> you can refer to me as captain :)
[02:14] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[02:14] <jjesse> so aye aye captain is the proper response
[02:15] <DarkwingDuck> alrighty skipper
[02:21] <nixternal> jjesse: you going to UDS?
[02:21] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: you going?
[02:21] <nixternal> unfortunately not
[02:21] <DarkwingDuck> :/
[02:22] <nixternal> don't think i will get sponsored again, or at least it seems that way :)
[02:23] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe. I did this year. :)
[02:23]  * DarkwingDuck rubs eyes
[02:23] <nixternal> i was kind of hoping i would. i was going to bring my bike and enjoy some warm weather cycling during the off-season
[02:23] <jjesse> nixternal you just have to beg harder :)
[02:23] <ScottK> nixternal: If you start now, you might make it.
[02:23] <nixternal> hehe
[02:24] <nixternal> ScottK yells more than I do and he keeps getting sponsored...but he at least works for it, i am fairly useless there
[02:24] <jjesse> uds is in miami right?
[02:24] <nixternal> i am not allowed to talk about some colored haired step children anymore
[02:24] <DarkwingDuck> I'm looking forward to meeting people there
[02:24] <jjesse> or orlando?
[02:24] <DarkwingDuck> Orlando
[02:25] <nixternal> was gonna say, if it were in miami you couldn't pay me to go..though orlando isn't much better, but at least there are places to ride west of there
[02:25] <jjesse> according to google maps it will only take 4 days and 9 hours to get from chicago to orlando via bike
[02:25] <nixternal> i am trying to go to europe next year for some cycling, so i have to save up some money
[02:25] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[02:25] <DarkwingDuck> 4 days and 9 hours on a bike?
[02:26] <nixternal> jjesse: yeah, but they think you will be riding straight, no sleep or rest
[02:26] <jjesse> only 1231 miles
[02:26] <nixternal> your ass would be bleeding if you rode that long
[02:26] <nixternal> that would be about 2 weeks of riding for me, at about 100 miles a day. i could do 8 to 10 hours, but i would need sleep
[02:27] <jjesse> only 878 turns
[02:28] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[02:29] <nixternal> i want to ride the tour de france route within the next 2 years as well. there is a trip where you leave 2 hours after the racers do and you do the same exact routes and everything...that is whicked expensive though
[02:29] <claydoh|werk> nixternal: I would hitchhike to fl. and crash UDS wearing a blue wig, except I don't have a blue wig
[02:30] <nixternal> i do actually, and i recently found it while cleaning out my shed
[02:30] <DarkwingDuck> A blue wig and Orange jacket. :D
[02:30] <jjesse> thats 11 hours of biking right?
[02:30] <nixternal> i think it was part of a costume from either my x-gf or my x-wife
[02:30] <nixternal> what's 11 hours?
[02:31] <nixternal> that is the amount of sleep i had after working the races and racing this weekend. i got my ass handed to me in both of my races
[02:31] <claydoh|werk> after the numbness, what's the difference :)
[02:31] <nigelb> lol
[02:32] <claydoh|werk> i could only ever manage 3 hours when i was healthy, nowadays I can probably last an hour if its flat
[02:32] <nixternal> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/5001863841_bfe7ef4000_b_d.jpg <- there is my new bike, that seat will leave impressions on your intestines
[02:33] <claydoh|werk> nice
[02:33] <claydoh|werk> I'd break it in two just sitting on it :D
[02:33] <nixternal> just noticed my setup is silly, i have a lower spoke count carbon wheel on the front (where all the weight is planted) and a heavy duty aluminum racing wheel on the front
[02:34] <nixternal> carbon fiber is actually stronger than aluminum for big people, no welds :)
[02:34] <claydoh|werk> what about, un stress fatigue 
[02:34] <nixternal> there was a guy racing this weekend, he is 6'10" and weighs like 300lbs. He was pretty fast and strong too
[02:34] <nixternal> carbon doesn't stress in that type of configuration
[02:35] <nixternal> it breaks if you fall though :)
[02:35] <claydoh|werk> I know, the bikes are tougher than they look
[02:35] <nixternal> i would have thought opposite, but weight limits are higher on carbon bikes and components than they are on their aluminum counterparts
[02:36] <nixternal> that back wheel I flex the hell out of when sprinting...you can hear it flex and hit the brake pads, but it springs right back...whicked fast and light wheel
[02:36] <claydoh|werk> nixternal: good thing my mtb is aluminum, I wiped out last week going down a hill, my saddle was too high
[02:36] <nixternal> i need to get a mtb
[02:36] <nixternal> and a cross bike
[02:37] <claydoh|werk> I miss my basso
[02:37] <claydoh|werk> bat that was back in the 80's
[02:37] <nixternal> oh my, i would love to have a basso...the diamante would be king
[02:38] <nixternal> probably one of the finest, if not the finest, italian bike made
[02:38] <claydoh|werk> mine was their cheapest frame back then, about 400$ , the 'tour de france' 
[02:39] <nixternal> $400 then is about $2000 now
[02:40] <claydoh|werk> probably, though the cheper bikes today are quite nice, quality-wise
[02:43] <claydoh|werk> the shimano 105 sis was a pain to adjust, iirc -new tech back then
[02:43] <nixternal> i am not a shimano fan, but my new trek madone has shimano ultegra. i would prefer sram force or red to be honest
[02:43] <claydoh|werk> nowdays, the index shifting on my cheep mtb Just Works
[02:43] <ScottK> carbon fiber shouldn't have fatigue issues on applications where the stress in primarily tensile (like a bicycle wheel)
[02:44] <claydoh|werk> what about fat rearends over pavement cracks :)
[02:44] <nixternal> they typicall don't, unless of course you flex it to much, in which most cases it will shatter at that point...more of a catastrophic event
[02:44] <claydoh|werk> in frames rather
[02:44] <nixternal> i have seen 300lbs. men riding carbon bikes with no probs
[02:45] <claydoh|werk> cool
[02:47] <claydoh|werk> but for the $$ I can get a mega laptop/laptops :) I am quite happy with my aluminum hardtail mtb
[02:48] <claydoh|werk> though i need to get new handlebar and maybe brake/shift lever, bent it enough I don
[02:48] <claydoh|werk> don't think I can safely bend it back
[02:49]  * claydoh|werk heads back to the job, customers be hungry , even this late
[10:16] <ulysses> !find quassel.mo
[10:20] <ulysses> I found the source of the UI bug of Quassel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/quassel3.png
[10:20] <ulysses> It comes from the Hungarian translation in Transifex
[10:27] <Riddell> eww
[10:28] <ulysses> I can't understand how it works, they use both Launchpad and Transifex, and imports them to Quassel? Shortly, it sucks
[10:36] <ScottK> ulysses: It's necessary to import them into Quassel because LP doesn't support Qt translations.
[10:37] <ScottK> Sput: ^^^ Can al fix that?
[10:38] <Sput> ScottK: that's for al to answer :)
[10:38] <ulysses> So the translation from Launchpad is imported to Quassel, then Launchpad imports with the imported translation back, and the language pack will be generated from that?
[10:43] <ulysses> But the source package on Launchpad and Quassel/i18n-master on Launchpad doesn't contain the error, how is it possible, if they are from upstream (I think)?
[10:49] <ScottK> Sput: I'm offline all of today, can you check it out with him please?
[10:55] <ulysses> Couldn't we change the default IRC client back from Quassel to Konversation?
[10:55] <ulysses> Not now of course, but in 11.04
[10:57] <alvin> Why would you do that?
[10:58] <ScottK> It can be discussed, but we've used Quassel for several releases now.  It would take a strong reason, IMO.
[10:58] <Sput> ScottK: I guess al will read backlog
[10:59] <Sput> ulysses: LP and Transifex are synchronized, afaik, and during compile time the .po files will be converted to .qm files. Maybe apachelogger succeeds in writing a gettext-capable QTranslator though. that would solve this problem...
[11:00] <ulysses> Personally I don't use Quassel, but all Hungarian user use it (because it's the default), but if I can gather enough argument, I'll start a discussion, no matter what the result will be.
[11:00] <ulysses> Sput: good to hear
[11:00] <Sput> al manages all that and will certainly be very interested in any problems that come up with translations. it works well for most languages, so it should be a solvable problem
[11:37] <ulysses> !find quassel.qm
[11:37] <ulysses> !find hu.qm
[11:54] <Riddell> ** testers needed for 4.5.2
[12:01] <Riddell> James147: got that?
[12:02] <James147> Riddell: yup, upgrading now
[12:02] <Riddell> groovy
[12:10] <Riddell> agateau: I take it we've had all the code we're going to from you, no last second patches?
[12:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: from where?
[12:24] <Mamarok> staging?
[12:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: kubuntu-ninjas
[12:25] <Riddell> do you have the details?
[12:25] <Mamarok> nope
[12:26] <Riddell> msg'ed
[12:27] <Riddell> amd64 shouldn't be long
[12:32] <markey> from Identi.ca: "After dayly upgrades on !kubuntu ☛ maverick !kde ☛ I get a black screen after login, can just switch on tty: intel i915 and others seems broken"
[12:32] <markey> I guess I better wait a bit :)
[12:32] <markey> my last upgrade was yesterday, that worked fine
[12:34] <Riddell> bug reports by microblogging!  it's the future!
[12:34] <markey> the future is now!
[12:36] <Riddell> microblogging is such an insanely bad method of communication, I think aseigo proved that already today
[12:37] <Riddell> James147: what news?
[12:38] <James147> Riddell: upgrade went fine, no errors
[12:38] <James147> Riddell: kde4-config reports version 4.5.2
[12:39] <Riddell> rocking
[12:41] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cool that we got passes to qt dev days :)
[12:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: want to go?  just needs you to find your way to Europe by next week :)
[12:45] <shadeslayer> hehe... i wont get a visa in time :P
[12:46]  * shadeslayer is free for 2 weeks till 17th
[12:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh we got the Rupee symbol into the Ubuntu font, so now's our chance to take over India before other OSs catch up
[12:46] <shadeslayer> ooohhh
[12:46] <shadeslayer> but... theres no rupee symbol on the keyboard :P
[12:46] <Riddell> minor detail
[12:48] <shadeslayer> i might go to my previous school in a few days and tell then about *buntu .... maybe theyll switch to edubuntu and such
[12:48] <Riddell> bah, switch to kubuntu!
[12:48] <Riddell> educational software is far better on the KDE side :)
[12:48] <shadeslayer> ill show them all the options, whatever they like best :P
[12:49] <shadeslayer> they need logo and stuff
[12:49] <nigelb> ah, speaking of which
[12:49] <nigelb> where's the kubuntu talk in open week!
[12:50]  * shadeslayer looks at Riddell
[12:50] <Riddell> nigelb: what should we talk about?
[12:50] <nigelb> Riddell: convince everyone kubuntu is awesome and switch to it ;p
[12:51] <shadeslayer> i thought we did that already :P
[12:51] <nigelb> actually though, you could talk about how people could contribute to kubuntu and where a new comer could help
[12:51] <Riddell> nigelb: ok, put me down for "Kubuntu is awesome" at 16:00 on Monday
[12:51] <shadeslayer> nigelb: except.. what do you use? :>
[12:51] <nigelb> shadeslayer: debian lenny :/
[12:51]  * nigelb hugs rid
[12:51] <nigelb> err
[12:51]  * nigelb hugs Riddell 
[12:51] <shadeslayer> :S
[12:52] <shadeslayer> hmm.. itll be 9.30 PM IST .. ill be there as well .. to support Riddell
[12:53] <Riddell> great
[12:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where are our maverick t-shirts on shop.canonical? with kubuntu logo and such
[12:54] <Riddell> they've never done those for variants
[12:54] <shadeslayer> there are some kubuntu tshirts with old logo tho
[12:57] <shadeslayer> ok ill take up koffice
[12:58] <shadeslayer> hmm.. no koffice beta 1?
[12:58] <shadeslayer> ( like packaged )
[12:59] <Riddell> seems not
[12:59] <shadeslayer> well then
[13:05] <shadeslayer> hmm.. main servers are pretty loaded i think
[13:06] <Riddell> nothing compared to next week
[13:06] <shadeslayer> im getting 40KBps on a 70KBps connection...
[13:06] <Riddell> Mamarok: amd64 should be good for testing now
[13:07] <shadeslayer> but yeah..
[13:07] <shadeslayer> next week is going to be epic
[13:07] <Mamarok> Riddell: thanks a lot!
[13:09] <nigelb> Riddell: you are good to go, talk to akgraner, give her a photo for your fans and a brief of what you want to talk about, etc
[13:20] <freeflying> Riddell: are we using the same preseed file as ubuntu does?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> gahh.. its back.. the ssh bug in dolphin....
[13:24] <shadeslayer> keeps asking my password everytime i go into a folder on ktown
[13:24] <Riddell> freeflying: this might be the answer you want http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/data/maverick/preseed/kubuntu/kubuntu.seed
[13:26] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks
[13:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw the copying dialog is not shown for remote files when you uncheck it in the notifier
[13:27] <agateau> Riddell: yes, all my work is in afaik
[13:30] <shadeslayer> agateau: you work on qtdbus right?
[13:37] <Riddell> claydoh: ping
[13:37] <Riddell> time to start thing about final release page?
[13:38] <claydoh> Riddell: yes,it is my only agenda item for today
[13:39]  * claydoh stretches, time to rise and shine, whatever that is supposed to mean
[13:40] <Riddell> I knew we could rely on you claydoh :)
[13:41] <claydoh> Riddell: is there any particular overall focus or theme we want to highlight for this release?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> claydoh: new browser, even better kpk
[13:41] <shadeslayer> bug fixes...
[13:41] <ulysses> BlueDevil
[13:42] <shadeslayer> google gadget plasma support
[13:42] <shadeslayer> ah.. plasma-netbook is now merged
[13:42] <claydoh> shadeslayer: yes, but is there any overall feeling, or concept, for this development cycle ?
[13:43] <claydoh> kubuntu'd exclusive (stm) kpk interface is definitely one point
[13:43]  * claydoh dons glasses
[13:43] <Riddell> claydoh: that KDE 4 is a winning platform with complete and innovative desktop software
[13:44] <Riddell> claydoh: Ubuntu font too for the details, first OS with Rupee symbol
[13:44] <shadeslayer> hehehe :D
[13:45] <claydoh> wow , that didn't exist already? 
[13:45] <Riddell> it only got decided a few weeks ago
[13:46] <claydoh> but still, seems strange
[13:52] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/rupee.png  our ticket to winning over another continent
[13:54]  * claydoh losses the battle: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx.sux
[14:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: continent? its a country :P
[14:01] <Riddell> sub-continent then
[14:01] <Riddell> if a billion Indians all convert to Kubuntu on Sunday I recon the neighbouring countries will follow soon after
[14:01] <Riddell> might take until Tuesday, but they'll do it
[14:44]  * jussi is currently upgrading to maverick...
[14:45] <Riddell> jussi: let us know how you get on
[14:45] <jussi> Riddell: sure, Im upgrading from a lucid + ppa machine, hope there arent too many issues...
[15:17] <apachelogger> I am going to florida \o/
[15:18] <Riddell> for the surf?
[15:20] <Nightrose> apachelogger: \o/
[15:20] <Riddell> you're going to Fantasy Fest?
[15:21] <Riddell> you're going to watch a space rocket take off?
[15:21] <Nightrose> :D
[15:22] <Tm_T> no, to see local fluffy pink unicorns there
[15:22] <Nightrose> yes!
[15:23] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[15:23] <apachelogger> I should have added fluffy to the interests on the attendees list
[15:23] <apachelogger> dang
[15:24] <Tm_T> also, I'm terribly sorry... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2010-October/004993.html
[15:26] <Riddell> Tm_T: now's the time to plan the Kubuntu takeover of Finland!
[15:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: ]shhhhhh, this is logged channel
[15:28]  * Tm_T hides
[15:58] <apachelogger> neversfelde: are you going to the qt dev days?
[16:16] <Riddell> 4.5.2 is in updates PPA, testing needed
[16:21] <\sh> apachelogger: you are attending UDS?
[16:21] <apachelogger> \sh: more like I am attending Disney World and stop by at UDS :P
[16:22] <\sh> apachelogger: nice :)
[16:30] <Riddell> agateau: are you aware we still have a patch for gwenview in our packages?
[16:30] <Riddell>   * kubuntu_02_gwenview_add_camera_solid_action.diff: Added a solid action
[16:30] <Riddell>     for opening cameras with gwenview_importer
[16:30] <agateau> Riddell: ah yes, it is in kde trunk, so should be dropped when 4.6 is out
[16:31] <Riddell> groovy
[17:01] <claydoh> apachelogger: unicorn vs Dolph Lundgren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ryQ8N_Lv0
[17:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: updating to 4.5.2 .. 
[17:05] <shadeslayer> ermm
[17:05] <shadeslayer> its not in updates
[17:05] <shadeslayer> wait.. 
[17:06] <shadeslayer> doh.. that was staging
[17:06] <dantti> Riddell: got my patches?
[17:08]  * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger
[17:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where did you go for the past 2 days? 0_o
[17:08] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I do not program in Qt, so no
[17:09] <apachelogger> neversfelde: but you really should
[17:09]  * apachelogger got a calculus excerise due on friday, so he surely cannot go ^^
[17:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: trying not to fall over my own depression
[17:09] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I would have to learn it first and I have no time
[17:10] <neversfelde> and probably no talent
[17:10] <apachelogger> maybe I should do an only tutorial
[17:10] <apachelogger> Cute in 24h
[17:10] <shadeslayer> hehe....
[17:10] <apachelogger> claydoh: lolz
[17:12] <apachelogger> so
[17:12] <apachelogger> hot news:
[17:12] <claydoh> apachelogger: made me hink of you, even if it wasn't pink ;)
[17:12] <apachelogger> :: likeback is being turned into a lib by yours truely ::
[17:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also... behind you back we branded choqok, go auth twitter with choqok and see the magic
[17:12] <Riddell> dantti: yes, they're in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/0.6.8-0ubuntu3
[17:13] <dantti> Riddell: k, nice :) now let me finish kpk :P
[17:13] <apachelogger> :: kmix is broken - since it lacks backend preference system it will try to use bogus backends such as OSS if that happens to turn up in the internal list before alsa ::
[17:13] <apachelogger> :: apachelogger is going to check out the strange happenings WRT showcock ::
[17:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sweet
[17:14] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: now you just need to use my HttpDaemon from ubuntu-sso gsoc foo and get rid of that horrible pin entering
[17:15] <shadeslayer> it shows kubuntu choqok now right?
[17:15] <apachelogger> that is so not user experiencable
[17:15] <apachelogger> oauth is so not user experiencable
[17:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yus
[17:16] <shadeslayer> hmm ..
[17:16] <shadeslayer> that would be nice.. not to enter stupid pin
[17:16] <apachelogger> now here is a thought
[17:16] <apachelogger> The application Kubuntu Choqok microblogging by Kubuntu
[17:17] <apachelogger> woudl that microblogging be translated?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> IIRC no.. thats on twitter ...
[17:18] <shadeslayer> so unless twitter supports other languages on its webpages...
[17:18] <apachelogger> how
[17:18] <apachelogger> about
[17:18] <apachelogger> not
[17:18] <apachelogger> writing microblogging then?
[17:18] <apachelogger> The application Choqok by Kubuntu ... yaydayaydaya
[17:19] <apachelogger> while it is not undoubtable that Choqok might be translated it is considerably less likely than "microblogging" not having a locale synonym
[17:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ad, getting rid of the pin... http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/HttpDaemon.cpp
[17:20] <shadeslayer> microblogging removed
[17:21] <apachelogger> start that up before doing an oauth call, then ensure the oauth call has localhost:whateverport as callback set and fire oauth, once oauth is complete twitter sends the browser to localhost:whateverport where you can dislplay fancy foo "SUCCESS"
[17:21] <apachelogger> and under the hood you grab the oauth stuff out of the callback
[17:22] <apachelogger> in particular line 83 for example implements that foo that is to be shown and the if after that parses stuff for ubuntu one
[17:23] <shadeslayer> i dont understand a word there, but *nod* *nod* *nod*
[17:34] <apachelogger> my oh my
[17:36] <nixternal> don't know if I said this before or not, but the new desktop installer is the bomb diggity! love how it starts the install process right after drive partitioning, even if you haven't finished typing everything in. so much nicer! great job!
[17:37] <shadeslayer> nixternal: yeah its been said before... by me :P
[17:38] <apachelogger> can you please not be redundant, no wonder the backlogs here are always that large :P
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: upgrade went fine on fresh install of kubuntu
[17:38] <shadeslayer> brb 
[17:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can i put rekonq 0.6.1 in updates?
[17:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is it out?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> its been tagged
[17:41] <shadeslayer> and adjam is writing a mail about our 0.7 objectives, so yeah itll be out in a few hours
[17:41] <Riddell> hmm
[17:41] <Riddell> what's in it?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> loads of bugfixes and translations
[17:42] <shadeslayer> http://gitorious.org/rekonq/mainline/commits/Branches.0.6
[17:43] <shadeslayer> wait.. he released it i think
[17:43] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:43] <shadeslayer> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/rekonq+Web+Browser?content=94258&PHPSESSID=73b27bdcbeeb455b86ce4928eff1c9cc
[17:43] <nigelb> yay, india takes over!
[17:44] <shadeslayer> nigelb: heheh :D
[17:47] <apachelogger> what, whom, where?
[17:47] <apachelogger> no one is taking over nothing without seeking approval of the supreme dalek first!!!!
[17:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go package, we can ponder where to put it when we test it
[17:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh wait, you're still doing koffice?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> yeah, koffice is in pbuilder
[17:47] <shadeslayer> i can work on rekonq as well
[17:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4331
[17:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: at UDS it might be worth looking into what it would take to get it onto keyboard maps
[17:49] <shadeslayer> keyboard maps??
[17:49] <shadeslayer> like mapping keys to hindi symbols?
[17:50] <Riddell> well to the Rupee symbol
[17:50] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:52] <shadeslayer> sure why not
[17:55] <claydoh> whoa! blur is da bom b!
[17:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: uh :D
[18:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw did you send in the request for the Kubuntu 10.04 CD's?
[18:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: for Ravi Maggon?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes but it only got processed today for some reason
[18:07] <shadeslayer> ah ok 
[18:08] <shadeslayer> any tentative dates by which they will reach?
[18:09] <Riddell> I've no idea
[18:10] <shadeslayer> hmm .. ok thanks alot :D
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol : 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it. :: while authing to t twitter
[18:11] <shadeslayer> zomg something is broken here
[18:11] <apachelogger> the server mutst be grumpy with you...
[18:15] <rdieter> Riddell (and friends) : I was talking with mgraesslin in #kwin about strategies to make kwin/blur not suck, and he suggested "disable GLSL" and "I think Kubuntu will use a driconfig to disable GLSL".  if so, mind sparing a few moments and sharing how you did that?
[18:17] <Riddell> rdieter: I've not kept up as closely with the compositing issues as maybe I should, ScottK might be a better person to ask but he's not around today
[18:17] <Riddell> that sounds like an X thing so maybe RAOF would be the guy to ask
[18:17] <Riddell> proofreaders: kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.2
[18:17] <rdieter> Riddell: thanks, I'll keep digging around, and try poking later
[18:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think we should add a screenshot there 
[18:22] <shadeslayer> on how to add to kpk
[18:22] <shadeslayer> oh wait.. we have wiki entry
[18:23] <shadeslayer> looks great :D
[18:23]  * shadeslayer wants PPA links to be clickable from next time
[18:23] <shadeslayer> click-> ppa gets added....
[18:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'd like that too but people aren't happy with the resulting security issues
[18:24] <neversfelde> we disabled tray icons for quassel and kopete, right? kopete isn't closed when hitting the close button, but quassel is shutting down
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yeah...
[18:25] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: IIRC thats quassels behaviour
[18:25] <shadeslayer> also no kopete systray icon annoys me
[18:26] <neversfelde> well, you can change it, when activating the tray icon, but not if only using the message indicator
[18:26] <neversfelde> I'm not sure, if I should call this a bug, but it is confusing for our users :)
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: rekonq is done, im putting it in my ppa for testing 
[18:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: thanks
[18:29] <Riddell> groovy, 4.5.2 out, thanks for the help shadeslayer and bulldog98 
[18:29] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:29] <Riddell> time for a canoe
[18:30] <shadeslayer> rekonq 0.6.1 packages in https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages
[18:30] <shadeslayer> LP hasnt processed the upload yet :(
[18:31] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: still cant see it
[18:31] <shadeslayer> i have it in message indicator
[18:31] <shadeslayer> not in systray tho
[18:32] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: mhh
[18:32] <neversfelde> here it is shutting down, after clicking the close button
[18:32] <neversfelde> I'll try it again
[18:34] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: no, does not work
[18:35] <neversfelde> I have "client only", probably that's the problem
[18:35] <shadeslayer> hold on 
[18:35] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: Settings > Configure Quassel
[18:36] <shadeslayer> Show System Tray Icon > Hide to tray on clise
[18:36] <shadeslayer> *close
[18:36] <neversfelde> yes, I did this
[18:36] <neversfelde> only works when tray icon is used
[18:36] <shadeslayer> and it doesnt respect that? ( also kopete showed up in systray )
[18:36] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:36] <shadeslayer> you want it to hide to systray when when theres no icon?
[18:37] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: yes, to the message indicator, like kopete does
[18:37] <shadeslayer> oh no idea
[18:38] <neversfelde> it is not very consequent, if these applications react different
[18:38] <neversfelde> I think I'll file a bug report next time I can use LP
[18:44] <shadeslayer> weird ... identi.ca doesnt post to twitter any more 0_o
[19:13] <dantti> Riddell: so I fixed the kpk update ui bugs, (re added the check for new updates button), now how will the automatic check for updates stay? I'm going to release the 0.6.2 now 
[19:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what do you suggest if i want to release rekonq 0.6.1 to people on lucid?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> i have upload rights to lp.net/~rekonq
[19:32] <apachelogger> backports?
[19:33] <shadeslayer> requires KDE 4.5.1
[19:33] <apachelogger> we do have KDE 4.5.1 in backports, do we not?
[19:33] <shadeslayer> we do? :O
[19:34] <apachelogger> why does it have such a high requirement anyway
[19:34] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[19:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean kubuntu backports? or lucid-backports?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[19:35] <apachelogger> kubuntu backports
[19:36] <apachelogger> though does 4.5 reqiure Qt 4.7? I dont think it does, so we could technically target backports with it?
[19:36] <apachelogger> that is if someone would want to do it and ScottK lets it into backports
[19:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: I just talked to notmart about switching plasma-netbook to raster for first 11.04, he's ok, so I think we should give that a try
[19:39] <shadeslayer> IIRC kde 4.5.1 doesnt require qt 4.7
[19:43] <apachelogger> ulysses: did I mention that someone broke the formatting of the team report?
[19:44] <apachelogger> i.e. header must use [19:44] <ulysses> apachelogger: not yet. EXTERMINATE HIM
[19:44] <apachelogger> I already fixed that last month :P
[19:44] <apachelogger> well
[19:44] <apachelogger> last last month
[19:44] <apachelogger> didnt notice for september in time 
[19:44] <apachelogger> maybe add a comment about not changing the header?
[19:44] <apachelogger> also as a self-reminder I suppose
[19:44] <ulysses> it could be useful
[19:47]  * apachelogger introduces maco to http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qwidget.html#windowIcon-prop ;)
[19:50] <yuriy_work> where can i get the countdown?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> yuriy_work: sheytan designed it.. and theres always the ubuntu countdown page
[19:53] <shadeslayer> also line 59 of view-source:http://www.kubuntu.org/
[19:54] <ari-tczew> debfx: ping
[19:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw AA is on by default now right?
[19:56] <apachelogger> AA?
[19:56] <shadeslayer> Anti aliasing
[19:56] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:56]  * shadeslayer pokes Riddell with http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour#feature-tour-apps-internet 
[19:56] <shadeslayer> Default is now rekonq :P
[19:57] <ari-tczew> debfx: I saw your debian bug 598008, I guess that you could use our current delta as patch for fix this debian bug.
[19:58] <apachelogger> rekonq \o/
[19:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: want to upgrade to 0.6.1 ?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/~rekonq/+archive/rekonq
[19:59] <apachelogger> nah
[19:59]  * apachelogger is wondering why he does not have the you bun too font :(
[20:00] <shadeslayer> you dont have it? :O
[20:00] <apachelogger> noes
[20:00] <shadeslayer> thats the first thing i changed after installing :P
[20:00] <apachelogger> also clicking the defaults butt0n in the fonts kcm does not do no nothing
[20:00] <shadeslayer> what have you done! :D
[20:01] <apachelogger> well
[20:01] <apachelogger> I say
[20:01] <apachelogger> there is a bug
[20:01] <apachelogger> BUG!!!!!
[20:01] <apachelogger> eeeeeek
[20:01] <shadeslayer> ubuntu-bug apachelogger :>
[20:01] <apachelogger> oha
[20:01] <apachelogger> omg
[20:01] <apachelogger> omgYouBunToo
[20:02] <apachelogger> defaults sets stuff to Sans Serif
[20:02] <apachelogger> whatever that is
[20:02] <apachelogger> grrrrrrrrrr
[20:02] <apachelogger> something is fishy
[20:03] <apachelogger> also it looks sorta strange
[20:06] <eMyller> holy cow, 5 days left
[20:06] <eMyller> did anyone see sheytan?
[20:06] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot69.png
[20:06] <apachelogger> you know
[20:06] <apachelogger> that actually hurts my eyes
[20:07] <al> wow, that's ugly
[20:07] <apachelogger> maybe the font size is too small?
[20:08] <al> unhinted font at not enough dpi maybe?
[20:08] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[20:08] <apachelogger> I dont know
[20:08]  * apachelogger doesnt know the next thing about font rendering
[20:08] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK ^
[20:09] <apachelogger> bumping it up one point made it better http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot70.png
[20:09] <apachelogger> better readable though, it still looks most awkward
[20:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: use slight hinting 
[20:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do they release notes say "use slight hinting"?
[20:10] <shadeslayer> no
[20:10] <apachelogger> because if not, then I consider this a seriously grave regression in the RC
[20:10] <shadeslayer> but they should
[20:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/htZr7YDp
[20:12] <apachelogger> is there a bug report about this?
[20:12] <shadeslayer> no
[20:12] <apachelogger> why not?
[20:14] <shadeslayer> dunno
[20:14] <debfx> ari-tczew: what ubuntu delta?
[20:15] <ari-tczew> debfx: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiles/2.2.1-2ubuntu1
[20:16] <debfx> how does that break the circular build-dependency?
[20:23] <debfx> ari-tczew: it isn't fixed in ubuntu, someone just cheated by manually installing some packages in the buildd
[20:24] <apachelogger> debfx: lol, that is cool
[20:28] <shadeslayer> zomg
[20:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/reGjfarV :: from koffice
[20:28] <shadeslayer> that doesnt look right
[20:29] <shadeslayer> seeing that there are a bunch of .png files in that folder along with that docbook
[20:29] <apachelogger> will be autodetected and installed
[20:29] <apachelogger> all hidden away behind that macro
[20:30] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[20:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but then why arent kchart docs getting installed properly ?
[20:32] <shadeslayer> i can see those files in sources
[20:32] <shadeslayer> but not in debian/tmp/*
[20:32] <apachelogger> maybe they are not used?
[20:32] <shadeslayer> theyre there in last release 
[20:33] <apachelogger> maybe they are not used?
[20:34] <shadeslayer> then why are they there ? 0_O
[20:34] <apachelogger> because they need to be redone as reference?
[20:34] <apachelogger> you are asking the wrong questions :P
[20:36] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:37] <shadeslayer> whats indubuntu :D
[21:06] <maco> apachelogger: what i do wrong?
[21:06] <maco> apachelogger: if you're referring to my gally screenshot on my blog i said its /old/ screenshot... there's an icon in the release
[22:01] <Riddell> dantti: how do you mean "now how will the automatic check for updates stay?" ?
[22:01] <Riddell> I'd like to remove that box for maverick
[22:25] <dantti> Riddell: yes, that's what i was asking, imo we could let both there since I believe proxied users won't have automatic updates
[22:27] <Riddell> they will if they set their proxy in the apt settings (yet another example of why proxy settings should be a freedesktop.org spec)
[22:27] <Riddell> but both is confusing really
[22:27] <Riddell> I'd rather disable it in kpackagekit for maverick and swap them around for natty
[22:27] <Riddell> dantti: anyway, is there something to be uploaded for kpackagekit besides that?
[22:28] <dantti> Riddell: yes, the problem is that they set kde proxy and have it working in kpk but sowft-prop does not work
[22:29] <dantti> Riddell: yes there are some fixes in the updateDetails that I found with the changelog stuff.. 
[22:32] <dantti> if shethan was here he could help me fix the animations which got broken since kde4.5/qt4.7
[23:27] <Riddell> gosh, not only is the way Launchpad handles inactive bugs changing, but they're good enough to inform me 20 times
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU- @ LP
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> "Your auto-expiry settings have been set to off, even though this project does not use LP for bug tracking"
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> Somebody needs to capture the LP devs and send them to "learn how to have your application email responsibly" camp, for Rosetta and this
[23:59] <Riddell> 23:27 < Riddell> gosh, not only is the way Launchpad handles inactive bugs changing, but they're good enough to inform me 20 times
[23:59] <Riddell> you missed my previous bitching :)
[23:59] <txwikinger> Riddell: what could be the reason for network manager in maverick not coming up?