[00:16] dantti: i just had a idea, you should probably ask the user if he wants to place a desktop shortcut as well ( for the app he just installed ) [00:17] ug, why? [00:17] we don't even have icons on the desktop now [00:17] Riddell: helpful for new users? [00:18] desktop icon imo just help them to get less organized :P [00:18] it's like their home is in it [00:18] hmm... well ,, ideas which come at 5 AM are not always good :P [00:18] lol [00:18] Desktop Icons? I thought with plasma workspace we were away from pesky desktop icons [00:19] :P [00:19] You know... Not having a job just paid off... [00:19] shadeslayer: I the best I could do for that ui, is to tell the user where to find it too (though he can by seaarching it's description again) [00:19] DarkwingDuck: hehehe [00:20] ^I think... [00:20] I actually get to go to Orlando [00:20] hmm [00:20] dantti: lemme sleep over it some more... [00:21] maybe ill get a better idea [00:21] I'm kinda jazzed about it. Riddell will there be any Kubuntu stuff at UDS? [00:21] DarkwingDuck: stuff as in? [00:21] Anything. [00:21] * DarkwingDuck never been to a UDS before this year [00:22] DarkwingDuck: add what you want to do at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty [00:22] KK Thanks Riddell [00:22] I'm going to be doing anything and everything with Docs too [00:23] Neon!!!! yayyyy [00:24] also... might also help in kubuntu mobile testing [00:24] *nods* [00:24] Riddell: I added nvidia-* to the hardcoded list :P do you have anything else in mind? [00:25] DarkwingDuck, if you want help with kubuntu mobile, ping me :-) [00:26] rbelem: is the N900 supported ? :P [00:26] im probably going to buy that sometime soonish ... possibly before UDS [00:26] shadeslayer, i'm writing some docs for that right now :-) [00:26] great! [00:27] shadeslayer, i was just hacking my n900 a little bit [00:27] :D [00:28] ok time to get back to sleep :) [00:29] dantti: I think that's all [00:29] rbelem: What phones you guys testing on? [00:29] shadeslayer, have a good night [00:29] DarkwingDuck, n900 for now [00:30] rbelem: I have a Motorola Droid (Milestone) [00:30] me too [00:30] I've hacked/rooted it so I have full su on her... Somthing I would love to mess with. :D [00:30] Would she work with it? [00:31] DarkwingDuck, probably this one is the next on my list to hack [00:31] rbelem: what can I do? [00:31] DarkwingDuck, i did not test it yet, but i think that it works [00:31] I don't see why it wouldn't... or rather, couldn't. [00:32] rbelem: you going to be at UDS? [00:32] DarkwingDuck, get a kubuntu-mobile image for arm and search how to use kexec on milestone [00:33] DarkwingDuck, yup [00:33] rbelem: aye, I'll poke at that tonight :D [00:33] rbelem: epic, I finally get to meet a bunch that I've been working with for a while now. [00:33] DarkwingDuck, but i'm still pending the visa :-(, i will try to get it 18 oct [00:33] rbelem: :/ I hope you get it [00:34] :-) [00:34] i have to go [00:34] my wife is waiting for me :-D [00:35] bye [00:35] rbelem: I'll let you know how it goes for milestone [00:35] DarkwingDuck, cool! :-) [00:37] Dang... where do I get the kubuntu-mobile image? [00:38] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/releases/10.10/rc/ [00:39] thanks Riddell [00:39] I had just found it :P [00:43] ScottK: are you around? [00:50] dantti: I'd like to go to bed in the next 15 minutes, is there any patches to be uploaded? [00:53] Riddell: can it be done tomorrow? there is a small fix to do in the changelogs part [00:55] kubuntu-mobile... is that KNR? [00:55] dantti: hmm, not really, CDs will start building shortly [00:57] txwikinger: No, KNR is the Netbook. Kubuntu Mobile is for smarkphones [00:57] *Smartphones [00:57] Ah [00:57] you're so behind Ralph [00:57] KNR doesn't exist any more [00:58] No, and I have to rewrite the dang docs for that :P [00:58] It's just another plasma desktop environment [00:58] evening [00:58] Hey jjesse [00:58] hello DarkwingDuck [00:58] DarkwingDuck you know that lp:kubuntu-docs is now natty correct? [00:58] jjesse: aye [00:59] jjesse: I was going to sit down with you after UDS for a god plan [00:59] good rather [00:59] jjesse: we have a lot of changes again === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [01:09] sry was in another window [01:09] yeah we have a ton of changes [01:09] we need to commit more and more [01:21] jjesse: aye [01:50] txwikinger: Sort of [01:50] hi ScottK [01:51] Hello txwikinger [01:51] Just wondered if you know that in maverick KNR the network manager etc is translucent [01:51] and some other stuff is not [01:52] That's by design, AFAIK. [01:52] hmm.. not very pretty [01:52] If you have the blur effect enabled it should be really cool. [01:52] it is very cool .. not sure if I have the blur effect enabled [01:53] It sounds like you do. [01:54] I take it the composite stuff is screwed up again? [01:54] depends on what you mean by screwed up again [01:55] whee, whole of KDE SC packaged in an afternoon and long evening, cloud computing does have its uses [01:55] The functionality checks are, IMO, too conservative, so one has to enable compositing manually, but once enabled seem to work reasonably well on my hardware. [01:55] Much, much better than they were a coupld of weeks ago. [01:58] ScottK: Intel right? I have issues with konsole/yakuake, and chrome/firefox big time, as well as Shisen-Sho which should be everyone's favorite game :) [01:59] nixternal: Yes. It's calmed down a lot. [01:59] konsole is the pain for me [01:59] Which Intel? [01:59] 945 I believe [01:59] * nixternal checks [01:59] Which 945? [01:59] Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 [01:59] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) [01:59] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=0&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 0 [01:59] yeah, 965 [01:59] snap === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [02:00] I've got 945 GME which is find. 945 GML is OK after I turn a bunch of effects off. [02:00] is that the one we have in the mini? [02:00] The OK one is the one in the 10v. [02:00] I need to reinstall on it with maverick. last i turned it on it was garbage, though i think the mini 10 is garbage [02:01] i have a mini9 [02:01] is that the one w/ the affected card? [02:01] YUCK! Never get a pumpkin latte from dunkin donuts. it is fsck'in awful [02:01] cause last i tried it worked fine on maverick [02:01] hmm, spent $2.05 on cloud computing to build KDE SC [02:01] Nice. [02:01] not to shabby [02:01] we should build a kubuntu cloud [02:02] i have a fairly powerful server to throw owncloud or something on [02:02] get a few more boxes and we can be golden [02:03] I don't think owncloud does CPU hire does it? [02:04] Riddell: do I copy my arrive/depart into this wiki as well? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty [02:04] hey nixternal [02:04] DarkwingDuck: I expect there's a general UDS one which would be better [02:04] Riddell: I've added it in there already [02:04] Riddell: didn't know if we were keeping track as well [02:05] no point having it duplicated [02:11] We can pick the Kubuntu people off the regular list. [02:13] Agreed. [02:13] Just got my flight info in [02:14] DarkwingDuck you going to UDS? that's awesome [02:14] jjesse: aye, they approved my sponsership [02:14] yay [02:14] *Sponsorship [02:14] Aye! :D [02:14] you can refer to me as captain :) [02:14] lol [02:14] so aye aye captain is the proper response [02:15] alrighty skipper [02:21] jjesse: you going to UDS? [02:21] nixternal: you going? [02:21] unfortunately not [02:21] :/ [02:22] don't think i will get sponsored again, or at least it seems that way :) [02:23] hehehe. I did this year. :) [02:23] * DarkwingDuck rubs eyes [02:23] i was kind of hoping i would. i was going to bring my bike and enjoy some warm weather cycling during the off-season [02:23] nixternal you just have to beg harder :) [02:23] nixternal: If you start now, you might make it. [02:23] hehe [02:24] ScottK yells more than I do and he keeps getting sponsored...but he at least works for it, i am fairly useless there [02:24] uds is in miami right? [02:24] i am not allowed to talk about some colored haired step children anymore [02:24] I'm looking forward to meeting people there [02:24] or orlando? [02:24] Orlando [02:25] was gonna say, if it were in miami you couldn't pay me to go..though orlando isn't much better, but at least there are places to ride west of there [02:25] according to google maps it will only take 4 days and 9 hours to get from chicago to orlando via bike [02:25] i am trying to go to europe next year for some cycling, so i have to save up some money [02:25] lol [02:25] 4 days and 9 hours on a bike? [02:26] jjesse: yeah, but they think you will be riding straight, no sleep or rest [02:26] only 1231 miles [02:26] your ass would be bleeding if you rode that long [02:26] that would be about 2 weeks of riding for me, at about 100 miles a day. i could do 8 to 10 hours, but i would need sleep [02:27] only 878 turns [02:28] hehehe [02:29] i want to ride the tour de france route within the next 2 years as well. there is a trip where you leave 2 hours after the racers do and you do the same exact routes and everything...that is whicked expensive though [02:29] nixternal: I would hitchhike to fl. and crash UDS wearing a blue wig, except I don't have a blue wig [02:30] i do actually, and i recently found it while cleaning out my shed [02:30] A blue wig and Orange jacket. :D [02:30] thats 11 hours of biking right? [02:30] i think it was part of a costume from either my x-gf or my x-wife [02:30] what's 11 hours? [02:31] that is the amount of sleep i had after working the races and racing this weekend. i got my ass handed to me in both of my races [02:31] after the numbness, what's the difference :) [02:31] lol [02:32] i could only ever manage 3 hours when i was healthy, nowadays I can probably last an hour if its flat [02:32] http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/5001863841_bfe7ef4000_b_d.jpg <- there is my new bike, that seat will leave impressions on your intestines [02:33] nice [02:33] I'd break it in two just sitting on it :D [02:33] just noticed my setup is silly, i have a lower spoke count carbon wheel on the front (where all the weight is planted) and a heavy duty aluminum racing wheel on the front [02:34] carbon fiber is actually stronger than aluminum for big people, no welds :) [02:34] what about, un stress fatigue [02:34] there was a guy racing this weekend, he is 6'10" and weighs like 300lbs. He was pretty fast and strong too [02:34] carbon doesn't stress in that type of configuration [02:35] it breaks if you fall though :) [02:35] I know, the bikes are tougher than they look [02:35] i would have thought opposite, but weight limits are higher on carbon bikes and components than they are on their aluminum counterparts [02:36] that back wheel I flex the hell out of when sprinting...you can hear it flex and hit the brake pads, but it springs right back...whicked fast and light wheel [02:36] nixternal: good thing my mtb is aluminum, I wiped out last week going down a hill, my saddle was too high [02:36] i need to get a mtb [02:36] and a cross bike [02:37] I miss my basso [02:37] bat that was back in the 80's [02:37] oh my, i would love to have a basso...the diamante would be king [02:38] probably one of the finest, if not the finest, italian bike made [02:38] mine was their cheapest frame back then, about 400$ , the 'tour de france' [02:39] $400 then is about $2000 now [02:40] probably, though the cheper bikes today are quite nice, quality-wise [02:43] the shimano 105 sis was a pain to adjust, iirc -new tech back then [02:43] i am not a shimano fan, but my new trek madone has shimano ultegra. i would prefer sram force or red to be honest [02:43] nowdays, the index shifting on my cheep mtb Just Works [02:43] carbon fiber shouldn't have fatigue issues on applications where the stress in primarily tensile (like a bicycle wheel) [02:44] what about fat rearends over pavement cracks :) [02:44] they typicall don't, unless of course you flex it to much, in which most cases it will shatter at that point...more of a catastrophic event [02:44] in frames rather [02:44] i have seen 300lbs. men riding carbon bikes with no probs [02:45] cool [02:47] but for the $$ I can get a mega laptop/laptops :) I am quite happy with my aluminum hardtail mtb [02:48] though i need to get new handlebar and maybe brake/shift lever, bent it enough I don [02:48] don't think I can safely bend it back [02:49] * claydoh|werk heads back to the job, customers be hungry , even this late [10:16] !find quassel.mo [10:16] File quassel.mo found in language-pack-kde-ast-base, language-pack-kde-ca-base, language-pack-kde-cs-base, language-pack-kde-da-base, language-pack-kde-de-base, language-pack-kde-en-base, language-pack-kde-es-base, language-pack-kde-et-base, language-pack-kde-fi-base, language-pack-kde-fr-base (and 18 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=quassel.mo&mode=&suite=lucid&arch=any [10:20] I found the source of the UI bug of Quassel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/quassel3.png [10:20] It comes from the Hungarian translation in Transifex [10:27] eww [10:28] I can't understand how it works, they use both Launchpad and Transifex, and imports them to Quassel? Shortly, it sucks [10:36] ulysses: It's necessary to import them into Quassel because LP doesn't support Qt translations. [10:37] Sput: ^^^ Can al fix that? [10:38] ScottK: that's for al to answer :) [10:38] So the translation from Launchpad is imported to Quassel, then Launchpad imports with the imported translation back, and the language pack will be generated from that? [10:43] But the source package on Launchpad and Quassel/i18n-master on Launchpad doesn't contain the error, how is it possible, if they are from upstream (I think)? [10:49] Sput: I'm offline all of today, can you check it out with him please? [10:55] Couldn't we change the default IRC client back from Quassel to Konversation? [10:55] Not now of course, but in 11.04 [10:57] Why would you do that? [10:58] It can be discussed, but we've used Quassel for several releases now. It would take a strong reason, IMO. [10:58] ScottK: I guess al will read backlog [10:59] ulysses: LP and Transifex are synchronized, afaik, and during compile time the .po files will be converted to .qm files. Maybe apachelogger succeeds in writing a gettext-capable QTranslator though. that would solve this problem... [11:00] Personally I don't use Quassel, but all Hungarian user use it (because it's the default), but if I can gather enough argument, I'll start a discussion, no matter what the result will be. [11:00] Sput: good to hear [11:00] al manages all that and will certainly be very interested in any problems that come up with translations. it works well for most languages, so it should be a solvable problem [11:37] !find quassel.qm [11:37] Package/file quassel.qm does not exist in lucid [11:37] !find hu.qm [11:38] File hu.qm found in bibletime-data, canorus-data, cdcat, fet, git-cola, keepassx, kphone, kseg, musescore-common, mytharchive (and 22 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=hu.qm&mode=&suite=lucid&arch=any [11:54] ** testers needed for 4.5.2 [12:01] James147: got that? [12:02] Riddell: yup, upgrading now [12:02] groovy [12:10] agateau: I take it we've had all the code we're going to from you, no last second patches? === larsivi_ is now known as larsivi [12:24] Riddell: from where? [12:24] staging? [12:25] Mamarok: kubuntu-ninjas [12:25] do you have the details? [12:25] nope [12:26] msg'ed [12:27] amd64 shouldn't be long [12:32] from Identi.ca: "After dayly upgrades on !kubuntu ☛ maverick !kde ☛ I get a black screen after login, can just switch on tty: intel i915 and others seems broken" [12:32] I guess I better wait a bit :) [12:32] my last upgrade was yesterday, that worked fine [12:34] bug reports by microblogging! it's the future! [12:34] the future is now! [12:36] microblogging is such an insanely bad method of communication, I think aseigo proved that already today [12:37] James147: what news? [12:38] Riddell: upgrade went fine, no errors [12:38] Riddell: kde4-config reports version 4.5.2 [12:39] rocking [12:41] hehehe [12:43] Riddell: cool that we got passes to qt dev days :) [12:45] shadeslayer: want to go? just needs you to find your way to Europe by next week :) [12:45] hehe... i wont get a visa in time :P [12:46] * shadeslayer is free for 2 weeks till 17th [12:46] shadeslayer: oh we got the Rupee symbol into the Ubuntu font, so now's our chance to take over India before other OSs catch up [12:46] ooohhh [12:46] but... theres no rupee symbol on the keyboard :P [12:46] minor detail [12:48] i might go to my previous school in a few days and tell then about *buntu .... maybe theyll switch to edubuntu and such [12:48] bah, switch to kubuntu! [12:48] educational software is far better on the KDE side :) [12:48] ill show them all the options, whatever they like best :P [12:49] they need logo and stuff [12:49] ah, speaking of which [12:49] where's the kubuntu talk in open week! [12:50] * shadeslayer looks at Riddell [12:50] nigelb: what should we talk about? [12:50] Riddell: convince everyone kubuntu is awesome and switch to it ;p [12:51] i thought we did that already :P [12:51] actually though, you could talk about how people could contribute to kubuntu and where a new comer could help [12:51] nigelb: ok, put me down for "Kubuntu is awesome" at 16:00 on Monday [12:51] nigelb: except.. what do you use? :> [12:51] shadeslayer: debian lenny :/ [12:51] * nigelb hugs rid [12:51] err [12:51] * nigelb hugs Riddell [12:51] :S [12:52] hmm.. itll be 9.30 PM IST .. ill be there as well .. to support Riddell [12:53] great [12:54] Riddell: where are our maverick t-shirts on shop.canonical? with kubuntu logo and such [12:54] they've never done those for variants [12:54] there are some kubuntu tshirts with old logo tho [12:57] ok ill take up koffice [12:58] hmm.. no koffice beta 1? [12:58] ( like packaged ) [12:59] seems not [12:59] well then [13:05] hmm.. main servers are pretty loaded i think [13:06] nothing compared to next week [13:06] im getting 40KBps on a 70KBps connection... [13:06] Mamarok: amd64 should be good for testing now [13:07] but yeah.. [13:07] next week is going to be epic [13:07] Riddell: thanks a lot! [13:09] Riddell: you are good to go, talk to akgraner, give her a photo for your fans and a brief of what you want to talk about, etc [13:20] Riddell: are we using the same preseed file as ubuntu does? [13:23] gahh.. its back.. the ssh bug in dolphin.... [13:24] keeps asking my password everytime i go into a folder on ktown [13:24] freeflying: this might be the answer you want http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/data/maverick/preseed/kubuntu/kubuntu.seed [13:26] Riddell: thanks [13:27] Riddell: btw the copying dialog is not shown for remote files when you uncheck it in the notifier [13:27] Riddell: yes, all my work is in afaik [13:30] agateau: you work on qtdbus right? === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [13:37] claydoh: ping [13:37] time to start thing about final release page? [13:38] Riddell: yes,it is my only agenda item for today [13:39] * claydoh stretches, time to rise and shine, whatever that is supposed to mean [13:40] I knew we could rely on you claydoh :) [13:41] Riddell: is there any particular overall focus or theme we want to highlight for this release? [13:41] claydoh: new browser, even better kpk [13:41] bug fixes... [13:41] BlueDevil [13:42] google gadget plasma support [13:42] ah.. plasma-netbook is now merged [13:42] shadeslayer: yes, but is there any overall feeling, or concept, for this development cycle ? [13:43] kubuntu'd exclusive (stm) kpk interface is definitely one point [13:43] * claydoh dons glasses [13:43] claydoh: that KDE 4 is a winning platform with complete and innovative desktop software [13:44] claydoh: Ubuntu font too for the details, first OS with Rupee symbol [13:44] hehehe :D [13:45] wow , that didn't exist already? [13:45] it only got decided a few weeks ago [13:46] but still, seems strange [13:52] http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/rupee.png our ticket to winning over another continent [13:54] * claydoh losses the battle: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx.sux [14:00] Riddell: continent? its a country :P [14:01] sub-continent then [14:01] if a billion Indians all convert to Kubuntu on Sunday I recon the neighbouring countries will follow soon after [14:01] might take until Tuesday, but they'll do it [14:44] * jussi is currently upgrading to maverick... [14:45] jussi: let us know how you get on [14:45] Riddell: sure, Im upgrading from a lucid + ppa machine, hope there arent too many issues... === claydoh is now known as Guest44612 === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [15:17] I am going to florida \o/ [15:18] for the surf? [15:20] apachelogger: \o/ [15:20] you're going to Fantasy Fest? [15:21] you're going to watch a space rocket take off? [15:21] :D [15:22] no, to see local fluffy pink unicorns there [15:22] yes! [15:23] ohhhh [15:23] I should have added fluffy to the interests on the attendees list [15:23] dang [15:24] also, I'm terribly sorry... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2010-October/004993.html [15:26] Tm_T: now's the time to plan the Kubuntu takeover of Finland! [15:28] Riddell: ]shhhhhh, this is logged channel [15:28] * Tm_T hides === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [15:58] neversfelde: are you going to the qt dev days? [16:16] 4.5.2 is in updates PPA, testing needed [16:21] <\sh> apachelogger: you are attending UDS? [16:21] \sh: more like I am attending Disney World and stop by at UDS :P [16:22] <\sh> apachelogger: nice :) [16:30] agateau: are you aware we still have a patch for gwenview in our packages? [16:30] * kubuntu_02_gwenview_add_camera_solid_action.diff: Added a solid action [16:30] for opening cameras with gwenview_importer [16:30] Riddell: ah yes, it is in kde trunk, so should be dropped when 4.6 is out [16:31] groovy [17:01] apachelogger: unicorn vs Dolph Lundgren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ryQ8N_Lv0 [17:03] Riddell: updating to 4.5.2 .. [17:05] ermm [17:05] its not in updates [17:05] wait.. [17:06] doh.. that was staging [17:06] Riddell: got my patches? [17:08] * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger [17:08] apachelogger: where did you go for the past 2 days? 0_o [17:08] apachelogger: I do not program in Qt, so no [17:09] neversfelde: but you really should [17:09] * apachelogger got a calculus excerise due on friday, so he surely cannot go ^^ [17:09] shadeslayer: trying not to fall over my own depression [17:09] apachelogger: I would have to learn it first and I have no time [17:10] and probably no talent [17:10] maybe I should do an only tutorial [17:10] Cute in 24h [17:10] hehe.... [17:10] claydoh: lolz [17:12] so [17:12] hot news: [17:12] apachelogger: made me hink of you, even if it wasn't pink ;) [17:12] :: likeback is being turned into a lib by yours truely :: [17:12] apachelogger: also... behind you back we branded choqok, go auth twitter with choqok and see the magic [17:12] dantti: yes, they're in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/0.6.8-0ubuntu3 [17:13] Riddell: k, nice :) now let me finish kpk :P [17:13] :: kmix is broken - since it lacks backend preference system it will try to use bogus backends such as OSS if that happens to turn up in the internal list before alsa :: [17:13] :: apachelogger is going to check out the strange happenings WRT showcock :: [17:14] shadeslayer: sweet [17:14] :) [17:15] shadeslayer: now you just need to use my HttpDaemon from ubuntu-sso gsoc foo and get rid of that horrible pin entering [17:15] it shows kubuntu choqok now right? [17:15] that is so not user experiencable [17:15] oauth is so not user experiencable [17:15] shadeslayer: yus [17:16] hmm .. [17:16] that would be nice.. not to enter stupid pin [17:16] now here is a thought [17:16]