[00:00] <Licuadora> penguin42: What is your diagnosis, sir?
[00:00] <penguin42> Licuadora: Well, that looks good to me, but why didn't it do it automatically? You'll probably need some other stuff as well
[00:00] <penguin42> Licuadora: So what does /proc/asound/cards say now?
[00:00] <Licuadora> let me check
[00:02] <Licuadora> penguin42: same
[00:02] <Licuadora> ---no sound cards ----
[00:03] <penguin42> Licuadora: So my guess is that at some point you did something evil to disable your onboard sound because of the add in card you had, the trick will be figuring out how to undo it
[00:03] <Licuadora> That's why I downloaded all the folders from ALSA site
[00:03] <penguin42> Licuadora: That was probably a bad move
[00:03] <Licuadora> $ sudo undo all
[00:03] <Licuadora> ¿?
[00:03] <penguin42> Licuadora: Did you actually install any of them?
[00:04] <Licuadora> nope, it stoped in the make
[00:04] <Licuadora> But I am surprised it didn't fix it when I re install 10.04
[00:04] <penguin42> Licuadora: You didn't disable that one in the BIOS did you?
[00:05] <Licuadora> I choose "onboard sound", I think that was the option
[00:05] <penguin42> anyone else got any ideas for Licuadora?
[00:06] <Licuadora> "the file /aproc/sond/cards has changed in the HDD" Restore?
[00:06] <Licuadora> i got that message
[00:06] <penguin42> erm when did you get that?
[00:06] <Licuadora> penguin42: I've been asking in the forums for months, and still no fix
[00:06] <penguin42> Licuadora: Well it is a bit weird
[00:06] <Licuadora> Several times when i open the cards file
[00:07] <Licuadora> I might just buy some pci x1 sound cards
[00:07] <Licuadora> I have 2 slots left
[00:07] <penguin42> Licuadora: OK, just from a terminal can you do cat /proc/asound/cards ?
[00:07] <penguin42> don't use an editor or the like, it's not a real file
[00:08] <Licuadora> cat: /proc/asounds/cards: No existe el archivo o directorio
[00:08] <Licuadora> no file or directory exists
[00:08] <penguin42>  /proc/asound/cards - no s on the end of sound
[00:09] <Licuadora> Yeah. Still,  --- no soundcards ---
[00:10] <Licuadora> I am no programer, but I think that file must be filled with some code
[00:10] <Licuadora> Is it posible to download a driver and the drag and drop the file in there?
[00:10] <penguin42> Licuadora: No, it doesn't work like that
[00:10] <Licuadora> oh....
[00:11] <penguin42> Licuadora: Try /etc/init.d/alta-utils reset
[00:11] <penguin42> sorry, that's alsa
[00:12] <Licuadora> Does not exist
[00:12] <Licuadora> root@djiin:~# etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset
[00:12] <Licuadora> bash: etc/init.d/alsa-utils: No existe el archivo o directorio
[00:12] <Licuadora> I even used the / at the begining
[00:13] <penguin42> Licuadora: Interesting, that's a bug :-)
[00:13] <Licuadora> I know
[00:13] <penguin42> Licuadora: OK, /sbin/alsa-utils reset
[00:13] <Licuadora> And WHY did it worked in 8.04 and NOT in 10.10!?
[00:13] <step21> Licuadora, yes, / at the beginning is required
[00:13] <penguin42> Licuadora: I don't know, you're machine doesn't look that unusual
[00:14] <Licuadora>  * Resetting ALSA...
[00:14] <step21> or maybe just reinstall all alsa packages? if even binaries are not found?
[00:15]  * penguin42 files a bug against alsa-utils about the path being wrong
[00:15] <Licuadora> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9041618/ALSA.png
[00:16] <penguin42> Licuadora: It might be worth trying a reboot after that
[00:17] <Licuadora> i'LL REBOOT
[00:17] <stoner> does anyone know if 10.10 supports touchscreen laptops or we still have to go through the hardware list first?
[00:20] <Licuadora> Nah, it didn't worked
[00:20] <Licuadora> penguin42: Did you send a bug report to ALSA?
[00:20] <penguin42> Licuadora: Well I dunno what's up with your machine
[00:21] <penguin42> Licuadora: Just hte minor one about the path being wrong, bug 654902
[00:21] <BUGabundo> evening guys
[00:21] <Licuadora> penguin42: Like I said, I guess I'll just gonna have to buy a PCI X1 card
[00:21] <penguin42> Licuadora: given this thing is surviving mutliple installs I'd suggest resetting your CMOS or the like
[00:22] <Licuadora> CMOS?
[00:22] <penguin42> Licuadora: Intel onboard audio really really should work
[00:22] <penguin42> Licuadora: CMOS; BIOS settings
[00:22] <Licuadora> Well that part is fixed
[00:22] <penguin42> Fixed?
[00:22] <Licuadora> the onboard option is selected
[00:23] <penguin42> something is very odd though
[00:23] <penguin42> Licuadora: You can file a bug from your machien - I think   ubuntu-bug sound (or maybe audio) should do it, it'll record all the info about your machine
[00:23] <Licuadora> I thought it was gonna be fixed after the upgrade, but I was a little bit naïve there
[00:24] <Licuadora> penguin42: you are the expert, can you do it? or tell me how, if you please
[00:24] <penguin42> Licuadora: I don't know why it isn't; people have problems with Intel audio - but they're normally more minor things like it not doing the mic properly or acrackle or something
[00:24] <penguin42> Licuadora: You need to do it from your machine for it to record your info
[00:24] <penguin42> Licuadora: So do you have networking on the machine?
[00:24] <Licuadora> no, eth0 is not working either, i am using WIFI
[00:25] <penguin42> hey WIFI will do
[00:25] <coz_> guys anyone have issues with compiling alsa driver on maverick?
[00:25] <Licuadora> tell me how, please
[00:25] <Licuadora> I do
[00:25] <Licuadora> Well mine is a different story
[00:25] <penguin42> Licuadora: Open a terminal and do ubuntu-bug sound
[00:26] <penguin42> if that doesn't work try ubuntu-bug audio
[00:26] <Some_Person> I'm having fairly frequent major crashes. What should I do?
[00:26] <penguin42> Licuadora: The fact your ether doesn't work either makes me think there is something odd with the machine
[00:26] <penguin42> Some_Person: How does it crash and is it related to doing something?
[00:27] <Licuadora> penguin42: I do not think is physical, since it worked with an Ubuntu 8.04 LiveCD
[00:28] <Some_Person> penguin42: It seems random, and it crashes with nothing responding, either with the screen just frozen on what was displayed when it crashed or with a black screen with a mouse cursor
[00:29] <penguin42> Licuadora: Hmm that is odd, get te bug reported and it'll have lal the info on it - remember to say it worked with an 8.04 livecd
[00:29] <Licuadora> ok
[00:29] <step21> Licuadora, did you do a normal desktop install or some special version/options?
[00:30] <Licuadora> step21: nope, just regular, it was the final version
[00:31] <Licuadora> penguin42: How can i post my onboard sound info?
[00:31] <Licuadora> Is there a Terminal command to tell me what type of chip do i have?
[00:31] <Licuadora> so I can post it. Or is it not necesary?
[00:32] <penguin42> Licuadora: Do that ubuntu-bug and it should include everything in the bug automatically
[00:33] <step21> coz_ why do you want to compile it? just install it?
[00:34] <Some_Person> penguin42: So what should I do?
[00:34] <step21> Some_Person, check disk space, memory integrity etc ... do you have a dual boot system?
[00:34] <Some_Person> step21: triple boot actually
[00:35] <Some_Person> I'm having no problems in any other OS, and / has 11.8 GB free
[00:35] <penguin42> Some_Person: I'd run memtest86 for a few hours to see if there are any issues, and I'd make sure I'm not running desktop effects to try and reduce any graphics issues
[00:36] <Some_Person> I am running compiz
[00:36] <penguin42> Some_Person: Try turning that off and see if it stabilises; if it does it's probably a graphics driver issue
[00:37] <Some_Person> Well, it's just something that randomly happens. It'll sometimes go many hours without crashing or being unstable, and then bang
[00:38] <Licuadora> Ok, I'll wait for a fix
[00:38] <Licuadora> Thx for everything guys
[00:38] <Licuadora> later
[00:41] <step21> Some_Person, well for me it randomly happened with indicator sound using lots of cpu, when failing to reconnect with pulseaudio (there is a bug about that)
[00:42] <Some_Person> I have no warning when it happens
[00:42] <step21> if that happens switching to console with ctrl+alt+F1 might allow you to kill the relevant services and resume work.
[00:42] <step21> there is no warning
[00:42] <Some_Person> Nope. ctrl+alt+f1 does nothing
[00:42] <Some_Person> even caps lock doesn't respond
[00:42] <step21> well it could take a while.
[00:43] <andorino> Greetings!
[00:43] <penguin42> Hi
[00:44] <andorino> Brand new Ubuntu user with a random problem that I've seen elsewhere in the forums and such but no resolution (other than restarting X) seems to have been bounced around.  My left (and sometimes Right....) mouse button will stop responding seemingly at random. Anyone else run into this?
[00:45] <penguin42> no, but I've had the middle one do that :-)
[00:45] <penguin42> not sure why
[00:45] <andorino> middle one would be slightly less problematic ;)
[00:45] <andorino> can we trade? =D
[00:46] <Israphel> anyone here?
[00:46] <andorino> no
[00:46] <Israphel> that's good
[00:46] <sevenseeker> only us chickens
[00:46] <Israphel> well I'm having problems with a Webcam on Maverik
[00:46] <Some_Person> andorino: Brand new ubuntu users should probably go to #ubuntu
[00:46] <Israphel> dmesg output http://paste.ubuntu.com/506087/
[00:47] <Israphel> It works on lucid, yes
[00:47] <andorino> Some_Person: this is 10.10, and not brandy-new to *nix in general
[00:47] <Some_Person> andorino: Ah, sorry I doubted you
[00:48] <Israphel> I don't understand the line "usb_submit_urb() failed, error -28"
[00:48] <Israphel> before that, it seems ok
[00:48] <penguin42> andorino: I'm not really sure how to help I'm afraid, you could run xev to see if it can see the event, but it may be difficult to find where they are going
[00:48] <andorino> yeah, seems like a hard thing to pin down
[00:49] <andorino> seems like people with the same issues on various hardware and machine types having this issue since at least 9.x
[00:49] <NateW> is anyone else experiencing bug #648238 ?
[00:49] <penguin42> Israphel: That's just a function in the kernel
[00:51] <penguin42> Israphel: Well, it looks like a driver bug at a guess, have you ever had it working with Ubuntu?
[00:51] <Israphel> yes, I've a netbook with Ubuntu lucid netbook remix and it works there.
[00:52] <Israphel> My desktop has Kubuntu Maverick RC and here is the problem
[00:52] <penguin42> Israphel: Is it plugged straight in or via a hub on the maverick machine?
[00:52] <krabador> how much can maverick change until the 10th?
[00:52] <Israphel> straight to the usb port
[00:52] <penguin42> krabador: I guess that depends how broken it is!
[00:53] <penguin42> Israphel: Hmm, I'd say then you just have a bug and report i, you could try the daily kernels to see if it helps
[00:53] <Israphel> can it be a kubuntu bug specifically?
[00:53] <Israphel> should I ask in the forums before making a bug report=
[00:53] <Israphel> ?
[00:54] <penguin42> Israphel: I guess possible, but I'd have guessed kernel - and of course you can ask on the Forum
[00:54] <krabador> penguin42, oh, sure.
[00:54] <Israphel> 2.6.35-22-generic here
[00:55] <penguin42> KDE stuff still seems to be changing a lot, other stuff is pretty settled
[00:55] <Israphel> 2.6.32-25 at the netbook, where it works
[00:56] <krabador> it's possible that users will have some surprise in artworks (splash, wallpapers, etc) putting the stable in the pc, the 10th?
[00:59] <Israphel> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/506097/
[00:59] <krabador> (please developers, change the orange.... i prey you :) )
[01:00] <penguin42> Israphel: Sorry, don't know much about cameras
[01:00] <andorino> ah ha. it is a registered bug. 41301.
[01:01] <penguin42> bug 41301
[01:01] <penguin42> that's an ANCIENT bug though - not maverick specific
[01:01] <andorino> nope, but still happens :P
[01:01] <andorino> other maverick reports. weird.
[01:02] <penguin42> andorino: Are you on a touchpad or real mouse?
[01:02] <andorino> real mouse
[01:02] <penguin42> hmm interesting, I've seen something similar on a touchpad on Fedora and had assumed that was weirdo touchpad firmware
[01:02] <penguin42> it's drags that don't really end
[01:02] <andorino> or weirdo user :)
[01:03] <penguin42> andorino: Hey I'm perfectly insane!
[01:03] <step21> well with touch pad it's something else, it often happens after standby
[01:03] <andorino> it did it to me this evening after waking from standby, actually
[01:04] <andorino> but happens randomly at other times
[01:05] <andorino> I live in MA where electricity costs an arm and a leg (and a torso)
[01:05] <andorino> so standby is my friend
[01:06] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[01:07] <Daekdroom> That 41301 affects me when I use my keyboard to change sound volume
[01:07] <Israphel> I'll try on the kubuntu lucid live cd
[01:07] <andorino> ha
[01:07] <andorino> that just did it for me
[01:07] <step21> glad that i just pay a flat fee for electricity ...
[01:07] <Daekdroom> and now, to fix it...
[01:08] <andorino> ALT-TAB doesn't clear it like some people have reported
[01:08] <Daekdroom> It didn't do it for me either
[01:08] <andorino> How did you fix id Daekdroom ?
[01:08] <Daekdroom> I didn't.
[01:08] <Daekdroom> I'll probably have to force an X restart now
[01:08] <penguin42> andorino: I'd try hitting all the modifier keys - ie.. shift ctrl and alt (both sides)
[01:08] <andorino> What's the hotkey sequence to switch virtual workspaces?
[01:08] <andorino> did that before, no dice this time either
[01:09] <penguin42> ctrl-alt-arrows are the ones I use
[01:09] <andorino> didn't clear it for me either
[01:09] <andorino> other people reported that that worked
[01:10] <andorino> right button still works though
[01:10] <andorino> weird bug
[01:11] <Daekdroom> Oh well.
[01:11] <andorino> Daekdroom: sudo rmmod usbhid; sudo mobprobe usbhid cleared it for me
[01:12] <andorino> and keyboard volume keys did it again, so that is a pretty consistent reproduction
[01:13] <JAMD456> I installed some games using the Ubuntu Software Center but none of the games are working
[01:13] <dev001> Hi.  I've installed Kubuntu 10.10 (snapshot) on an old PowerBook G4 (ppc).  The LiveCD was fine; after install & reboot, tho, I get to the desktop, but the video scanrate is off/wrong.  I can see the desktop/items, etc but get lots of snow/has, and multiple ghost images ... Iiuc, 'sax' is a thing of the past -- from this desktop, how can i _fix_ the video?
[01:14] <philsf> hi, in a recent update of the netbook edition I now have multiple (4) workspaces. How can I reverto to having only one?
[01:14] <Daekdroom> andorino, yep. Worked on here, but I had to reload the usb module by replugging my mouse because I use a usb keyboard as well
[01:14] <philsf> s/in/after/
[01:14] <Daekdroom> I wonder if unplugging my mouse will work
[01:15] <Daekdroom> Hm, no, it doesn't
[01:16] <andorino> all my peripherals are USB, didn't have to unplug my keyboard...
[01:16] <JAMD456> By that I mean that the games do not appear to have installed, the system keeps saying that there is no such file or directory
[01:25] <philsf> after a recent update of the netbook edition I now have multiple (4) workspaces. How can I reverto to having only one?
[01:27] <sunshinepants> philsf: i know how to do it, but i'm trying to find the 'ubuntu netbook' way to do it..
[01:28] <sunshinepants> philsf: it's not grandma-friendly but this is quick gconftool-2 -s /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces 1 --type int
[01:29] <philsf> sunshinepants, I knew how to do it in gnome, where I could right click the workspaces applet... :/
[01:30] <Israphel3> penguin42: you still there?
[01:30] <penguin42> yeh
[01:30] <penguin42> not for long, it's 1:30am :-)
[01:30] <Israphel3> well, I think I find something
[01:30] <sunshinepants> philsf: you can run gconf-tool interactively too, and do a search with ctrl-F, then look for string 'metacity' and change the num_workspaces var in the general folder..
[01:30] <Israphel3> I have two usb devices. wireless keyboard+mouse and the camera
[01:30] <Israphel3> I can't use both at the same time.
[01:31] <penguin42> Israphel3: Odd, you said they're plugged into the machine directly?
[01:34] <step21> prob. logitech usb transmitter or something
[01:35] <penguin42> oh, gone
[01:38]  * penguin42 is about to go, if Israphel3 comes bakc I would suggest trying a powered hub inbetween
[01:41] <Israphel> penguin42: ok I'll explain you the problem
[01:41] <Israphel> I use a usb extensor wire for the keyboard+mouse sensor
[01:41] <Israphel> I think that the wire is not a hub
[01:41] <Israphel> but I can't useit
[01:41] <Israphel> I have to plug the sensor and the camera directly to the mother
[02:00] <cTnko> hi guys, anyone experienced with default radeondriver and mobile gpus ?
[02:05] <olskolirc> say how about i change my sources.list from the word karmic to maverick and upgrade from there is that ok?  i got the maverick iso from http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/maverick/ and made a usb creator and its not bootable
[02:08] <step21> olskolirc, on ubuntu com it says how to update like that
[02:08] <step21> but not with just changing like you said
[02:08] <olskolirc> exact link please step21 ?
[02:11] <step21> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[02:11] <step21> One click from the front page
[02:11] <olskolirc> thanks step21 :-)
[02:13] <atari2600a> hey
[02:13] <atari2600a> a few appliciations glitch out on me
[02:13] <atari2600a> such as Evolution
[02:14] <atari2600a> whenever I use anything that's not email, whenever I click anywhere on the window it fullscreens, & again, it goes back to normal
[02:14] <atari2600a> it makes the application ususable
[02:14] <atari2600a> any ideas?
[02:18] <atari2600a> anyone?
[02:23] <krabador> hi, i'm tryin g maverick , day by day with the daily builds, from 2 week, and until today's build "Quadrapassel" don't works.
[02:28] <olskolirc> what are you on atari ubuntu?  kubuntu? and what version
[02:34] <krabador> olskolirc, ubuntu
[02:34] <krabador> ubuntu, today's daily build of maverick
[02:34] <olskolirc> ubuntu s*x
[02:35] <olskolirc> kubuntu is the only way to go
[02:36] <krabador> olskolirc, i hope for you a good future, with kde on ubuntu, that never , and for sometimes again, never got decent
[02:36] <krabador> olskolirc, if you like kde, use debian
[02:36] <krabador> olskolirc, #debian
[02:37] <olskolirc> i used to ride with Sarge before i came to kubuntu
[02:37] <olskolirc> im not big on the plasma though i prefer kde 3x
[02:39] <krabador> olskolirc, to road for the stability and the true usability on kde 4 is still long
[02:40] <krabador> a very big lot of work is gone, but isn't enough, for what would be seem kde, when user run it for the first time
[02:41] <krabador> kde3 is sure old, but well tweaked is very light and fast
[02:42] <krabador> enlightment and lxde, if developers continue to work right, will destroy kde
[02:44] <HomerPDX75> anyone else tried to use empathy's irc client?
[02:44] <HomerPDX75> with the latest 10.10
[02:44] <HomerPDX75> crashes with me, xchat does the trick though
[02:45] <olskolirc> yessssss krabador i love lxde
[02:46] <olskolirc> seems like meerkat has too many problems to be released in a few days
[02:46] <olskolirc> thats what i hate about cannanicol* always never finished on due date
[02:46] <cTnko> please can anyone tell me how to list current performance level when i am using xorg radeondriver ?
[02:47] <HomerPDX75> I'm pretty happy with it
[02:49] <HomerPDX75> sorry cTnko i'm not really sure. I did a little poke on google with no luck
[02:49] <BUGabundo> gonna plock some of my eyelash onto my pillow. nite
[02:50] <cTnko> HomerPDX75: i am strugling with power saving not working properly on my laptop (r730) gpu
[02:50] <cTnko> so i am trying to nail the problem why my card is running on fullpower, ergo killing my battery life
[02:53] <HomerPDX75> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Graphics_Chips_Power_Management_features
[02:53] <HomerPDX75> maybe
[02:53] <HomerPDX75> it will help
[02:54] <cTnko> thanks ill take a look
[02:54] <cTnko> i was fighting this problem on 10.04 but i gave up (there was no support in drivers)
[02:55] <cTnko> so i am trying again in 10.10
[02:55] <cTnko> but thats for fglrx not for xorg :(
[02:55] <cTnko> damn
[03:00] <HomerPDX75> oh
[03:00] <HomerPDX75> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx
[03:02] <cTnko> but i wanna use xorg :) (original fglrx from amd brgings more problems that it solves) sadly :(
[03:04] <olskolirc> can i just upgrade my kde 4.3 to 4.5 somewhere?
[03:16] <HomerPDX75> cTnko, I agree
[03:16] <HomerPDX75> fglrx is a very buggy driver. On my laptop, one month it would almost work and then the next month it wouldn't even install.
[03:17] <HomerPDX75> I gave up and have been using the radeon driver and it's a little slow but work perfectly
[03:18] <cTnko> HomerPDX75: looks like i solved most of the heat/battery problems with echo low > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile
[03:19] <cTnko> but this is on the fly value, ill probabbly have to create a shell script
[03:19] <cTnko> when i find out how to do so |:))
[03:20] <HomerPDX75> I hear ya, you would think a programmer from ATI would whip that out in a day
[03:21] <cTnko> when i read that power management for ati cards will work in 10.10 i was like "yey i finally be able to use ubuntu on my laptop)
[03:22] <cTnko> and yet i am more strugling with drivers then actually using the device "blah" :x
[03:23] <HomerPDX75> sorry man, my linux ati experience has been the same
[03:23] <HomerPDX75> if possible just use the open source one
[03:24] <step21> cTnko, or just use builtin graphics ...
[04:00] <woodyjlw> so far nothing seems broken.  only things I see that I would like to see improved is open source radeon driver and bluetooth settings have not been right sine 8.10.  other than those too things everything is great!
[04:02] <woodyjlw> oh and I wish the wireless settings could work more like wicd
[04:23] <^Lem^> hi all, wondering if this is worth a "bug report": default text colour, default Maverick theme, the CPU frequency scaling monitor's text is virtually unreadable (grey on grey)
[04:33] <AbhiJit> hi
[04:34] <AbhiJit> anyone knows about this?
[04:34] <AbhiJit> while trying to upgrade to ubuntu 10.10 (from 10.4) i am getting this error; W:Failed to fetch http://astromirror.uchicago.edu/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[04:34] <Ken8521> ruh roh... hope it didn't break....
[04:34] <Ken8521> or at the least you backed up
[04:34] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, you talking to me?
[04:34] <Ken8521> in general yes
[04:35] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, you talking to me about the question i asked above?
[04:35] <Ken8521> that's why i never upgrade, not even Windows.. just to much crap that can go wrong... back up important files, and clean install
[04:35] <Ken8521> yes,
[04:35] <AbhiJit> ok
[04:35] <Ken8521> how far did it get in the upgrade process
[04:35] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, this is my friends issue. so what should i suggest him?
[04:35] <Ken8521> there's been a few reports here and there of broken upgrades, but nothing to suggest an epidemic
[04:35] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, or what question should i ask him to get more info?
[04:36] <AbhiJit> i mean should i tell him to clean install?
[04:36] <Ken8521> AbhiJit, honestly,i have no idea.. if an upgrade broke.. it's gonna be a lot of fun... it all depends on where he was in the upgrade process when it happened.. he might end up clean installing
[04:36] <AbhiJit> hmm
[04:37] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, but what is astromirror? is it a offical ubuntu package? i never heard about it
[04:37] <Ken8521> i have no idea AbhiJit.. ask him.
[04:37] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, ok
[04:38] <AbhiJit> anyone else have some idea about this issue?
[04:41] <charlie-tca> I suspect it might be a ppa
[04:41] <AbhiJit> charlie-tca, that astromirror one?
[04:41] <charlie-tca> or unofficial place to get packages
[04:41] <charlie-tca> yeah
[04:41] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, that was my first guess
[04:41] <Ken8521> buti never heard of it
[04:41] <AbhiJit> charlie-tca, Ken8521 ok should i tell him that he first try again with official ppa?
[04:41] <charlie-tca> It is a university, maybe they run their own mirrors and it is simply out of date
[04:42] <AbhiJit> yah
[04:42] <Ken8521> AbhiJit, actually what he should do, is disable that repo, and then upgrade
[04:42] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, i see
[04:42] <charlie-tca> Sometimes the universities do that so that they don't have to give users off-campus access to anything
[04:42] <Ken8521> really though, you shoudl do that w/ any PPA.. upgrading w/ PPA's in your source list is begging for fail
[04:43] <pav5088> I have a strange issue with the interface locking up for periods of time in Meerkat.  I can get things going again by tapping keys, or fiddling with the touchpad...   but the lockup comes back after a while.  CPU usage seems to go up.  Lucid worked fine (except without audio) on this laptop.
[04:43] <pav5088> Is this an issue anyone knows about?
[04:43] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, means?
[04:43] <AbhiJit> charlie-tca, ok
[04:43] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, i am asking him now to disable that ppa ok?
[04:43] <Ken8521> AbhiJit, delete it from his source list, upgrade, then add it back.
[04:44] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, oh yah
[04:44] <Ken8521> make sure he reloads his source list before he starts upgrading again..
[04:44] <Ken8521> so remove, reload, upgrade, add again.
[04:45] <AbhiJit> Ken8521, ok
[04:47] <pav5088> Hmmm...  my issue could be related to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9917899
[04:47] <pav5088> They suggest using a PPA kernel...  to compare the shipped version against 2.6.36-rc6 .   How do I do this?
[04:48] <AbhiJit> Thank you Ken8521 charlie-tca :)
[04:52] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[05:18] <|ns|nR8> anyone have the prob with /dev/dsp missing in 10.10
[05:18] <|ns|nR8> mines gone :(
[05:20] <|ns|nR8> cant run darkice
[05:21] <|ns|nR8> ive tried installing oss-compat and tried using sbagen
[05:21] <|ns|nR8> wont work
[05:34] <|ns|nR8> think im over bugs for awhile
[05:34] <|ns|nR8> try again in couple weeks
[05:35] <histo> Anyone really good with sound?
[05:35] <|ns|nR8> im having some sound probs histo
[05:35] <|ns|nR8> whats yours
[05:36] <|ns|nR8> sounds works just /dev/dsp dont exist
[05:36] <histo> Well I have an intel 82801L ICH9 sound card. Works perfectly fine under 10.04 I've now tried two different distros running 2.6.35 and no sound.
[05:37] <histo> I've noticed that under alsamixer it reports a different chipset than it did with 10.04
[05:37] <histo> So i'm assuming its a codec issue with alsa but I don't know enough to try and fix it.
[05:38] <|ns|nR8> im going back to 10.04 for awhile..wait for some updates to 10.10, see if it fixes me bugs
[05:39] <|ns|nR8> glad i kept 10.04 install
[05:49] <zanus_> say for instance I get on average, 400MB/sec... is there some app or a trick of some sort to only allow like half of that to certain applications?
[05:57] <hifi> you could do that with iptables I think
[05:57] <hifi> but it's not app specific
[05:57] <zanus_> you mean like.. dedicating throughput to each IP?
[05:59] <|ns|nR8> qos capable router
[05:59] <|ns|nR8> or some kinda proxy
[06:00] <hifi> you can probably limit it per uid
[06:00] <hifi> or gid
[06:00] <hifi> or per port
[06:01] <zanus_> hmm...  what about for just a specific computer
[06:01] <zanus_> sort of like a throttle
[06:02] <zanus_> I'm just looking for a way to keep myself from using the full throughput so others in my house don't complain
[06:02] <zanus_> short of ... well, not downloading anything
[06:04] <zanus_> it'd be nice if I could figure out how to somehow ... temporarily lock my download rate at xKB/sec
[06:16] <zanus_> hmm.. seems I can do just this with trickle
[06:31] <bdogg> 4 more days
[07:26] <Votan> Is it possible to change my current installation from a single partition on ext 4 to a split setup with a /boot on ext 4 and the rest on btrfs ?
[09:04] <sda1986> Ciao, I would understand how special bottons work on my laptop, (FN+<something>) I tried to reassign them with keyboard shortcut but it doesn't work. I saw on some website I have to modify /etc/acpi/event files. Can someone help me?
[09:06] <lucent> sda1986: there's mostly 4 possible ways keys are working
[09:06] <lucent> I mean, 5, as many as 5 ways and its one of those ways
[09:07] <lucent> ACPI (BIOS), GPIO (embedded hardware button), Keyboard, Mouse trackpad, USB input device
[09:07] <lucent> sda1986: good luck to find out which your device is using!
[09:10] <sda1986> example, if i press fn+f4 (www) it opens firefox, but i can change it with keyboard shortcut, but i cannot do the same with fn+space (on win powermanagement on linux screensaver)
[09:11] <sda1986> lucent: any guide to findout what kind is mine?
[09:18] <JackNocturne> hello, let me try to shorten my problem in 1 sentence
[09:18] <JackNocturne> Nautilus doesnt work/start after upgrade to ubuntu 10.10 RC
[09:19] <JackNocturne> checking in xsession-errors i find this http://pastebin.com/PTjK4Wa8
[09:20] <JackNocturne> i can't figure what is the problem,any suggestions?
[09:45] <rick_> hi... i have installed ubuntu 10.10 and the max resolution that i can select is 1360x768.. is there a way i can make it 1280x1024?
[09:45] <rick_> previously when i was on windows.. i was on that resolution.. :P
[09:46] <sda1986> MappingNotify event, serial 36, synthetic NO, window 0x0,    request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 248, I have to change this event how can I?
[09:46] <JackNocturne> try system>preferences>monitors maybe?
[09:47] <rick_> thats the same... it shows unknown monitor
[10:00] <sda1986> hi all, i have an asus f3jp with 05e1:0501 Syntek Semiconductor Co., Ltd DC-1125 Webcam, on ubuntu the quality is lower than windows, and a led one time it turns on never turns off until i turnoff\reboot my pc. Can you help me?
[10:16] <jmcs> I tried to install the rc and got a problem with the grub configuration, can anyone help me?
[10:16] <lucent> I'll take a shot at helping you to help yourself
[10:17] <lucent> what do you need to do?
[10:19] <Jordan_U> jmcs: Nobody can help you untill you actually state your problem.
[10:19] <jmcs> When I boot it says it doesn't detect the hard drive with the uuid. I've seen the grub.cfg and the uuid and it is right
[10:20] <lucent> which filesystem?
[10:21] <jmcs> ext4
[10:21] <lucent> could need fsck'ing
[10:22] <Jordan_U> jmcs: Do you get any other errors?
[10:22] <lucent> jmcs: suggest that you boot from CD and mount chroot update-grub
[10:22] <Jordan_U> jmcs: If you press 'c' to get to a grub shell then run "ls -l" do you see the partition in question?
[10:22] <jmcs> lucent: i'll try that.
[10:23] <lucent> jmcs: if it's still hosed after that, you can edit the /etc/default/grub of the chroot'ed system and run update-grub
[10:24] <jmcs> Jordan_U: it falls to grub-rescue without me doing anything if I do ls it shows something like this (HD0) (HD0,1) (HD0,2) (HD1)
[10:24] <lucent> the filesystem device names can be hard-coded from /etc/default/grub which will get picked up into the grub config when you run update-grub
[10:24] <Jordan_U> jmcs: Then update-grub won't help you at all.
[10:25] <Jordan_U> jmcs: My guess is that you're actually booting grub from a previous install. Try changing the boot order in the BIOS.
[10:26] <jmcs> I just noticed one thing, in my grub.cfg it says "set root='(hd0,msdos1)'" shouldn't it say something like "set root='(hd0,ext4)'"?
[10:27] <Jordan_U> jmcs: No. "hd0" means the first hard drive and "msdos1" means the first partition on the drive, using an msdos partition table.
[10:27] <lucent> wow I just learned something new
[10:32] <jmcs> thanks everyone. i'll try see if something is wrong in the BIOS.
[10:39] <alvin> Will Maverick contain KDE 4.5.2 (last minute) or stay on 4.5.1?
[10:44] <mnk> hi, i just upgraded to maverick and i am having sound issues. Sound does play sometimes but it is REALLY REALLY fast. I tried using a guest account and same thing. not sure how to fix it. can anyone help?
[10:48] <mnk> any ideas
[10:48] <mnk> ?
[10:49] <SaRy> mnk, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[10:50] <mnk> thanks SaRy
[10:50] <mnk> basically everything was working fine in 10.04 but then when i upgraded to 10.10 beta, the sound just goes super fast
[10:51] <rockhopper> Is the unity window manager in the netbook remix lagging?
[10:52] <PolarFox> Weee b opening any links ... :)
[10:52] <tqft> upgrading procedure - lucid to maverick - here? have an ati card - HD5570 - should I disable proprietary drivers first?
[10:52] <mnk> lspci -v | less --- should i be able to see both sound cards
[10:52] <mnk> ?
[10:53] <PolarFox> Has anyone else been whining about high IOWAIT? My computers running Maverick are darn slow and iowait juto 80-90% :)
[10:55] <zetheroo> I loaded up 10.10 today ... looks slightly sleeker than 10.04 ... but I am guessing that most of the difference between the two is under-the-hood ...
[10:55] <PolarFox> depmod has been running for 20 minutes now.. :)
[10:55] <mnk> when i play an mp3 file it just skips three seconds out of four and thus is playing really fast
[10:56] <mnk> is there a way of reinstalling alsa / pulse audio? does maverick use alsa btw?
[10:56] <mnk> sorry new to all this
[11:02] <zetheroo> are there any major benefits to upgrading to 10.10 from 10.04?
[11:04] <PolarFox> zetheroo: Yeah.. but my disk performance went down ... hard :D
[11:04] <zetheroo> PolarFox: wdym?
[11:06] <PolarFox> zetheroo: I don't know... I have 2 machines running 10.10 and both are sssssslower than 10.04 and HDD lights are not blinking... they are burning :)
[11:06] <zetheroo> PolarFox: fresh installs?
[11:06] <PolarFox> zetheroo: and it's common to have 80-90% iowait on CPU... (ext4 partitions only)
[11:06] <PolarFox> upgrade...
[11:07] <zetheroo> PolarFox: so it's problematic
[11:07] <PolarFox> for me atleast..
[11:07] <PolarFox> but this has happened with my desktop and laptop now..
[11:09] <zetheroo> PolarFox: that sucks
[11:09] <zetheroo> PolarFox: what kinda laptop and desktop?
[11:10] <PolarFox> botth have 2.2 core2duo cpu, 4GB of memory. laptop is Asus, with normal sata disk.. desktop has 3 500GB sata disks..
[11:10] <PolarFox> one for home dir, one for photos(I'm a photographer) and one for system..
[11:11] <PolarFox> And is wery slow when I work with my photos... as it requires reading quite large amount of 10-15MB files with small sidecar files..
[11:13] <red> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[11:14] <red> What display driver should I be using?
[11:14] <red> I'm testing the notebook Unity on 10.10 and rendering speed\fps is quite horrible compared to Compiz
[11:14] <red> dragging windows slows the desktop to seemingly something like 10-20fps
[11:14] <red> in Compiz dragging & maximizing etc is quite smooth
[11:15] <coz_> red,  I tried Unity on my desktop with the same results with nvidia   it does drag a bit
[11:17] <red> just like the functionality a lot
[11:18] <red> guess ill keep using default desktop until this stuff is more stable
[11:20] <PolarFox> It's funny when one depmod rde takes .. :P
[11:20] <PolarFox> yeah... that didn't come out right.. :)
[11:21] <PolarFox> had a minor freeze there... one depmod run during kernel upgrade takes 15 minutes.. :)
[11:21] <PolarFox> This is soo slow that even irc sometimes freezes.. :)
[11:34] <JAMD456> How do I reset my path to default settings? somehow the settings have become corrupted and some commands no longer execute when called
[11:37] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: How did you change it?
[11:38] <JAMD456> Jordan_U I did not change anything it broke one day after a set of updates
[11:38] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: What is its current value?
[11:38] <JAMD456> How do I get its current value, I am more familiar with windows
[11:39] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: echo $PATH
[11:39] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: And what commands no longer work?
[11:40] <JAMD456> games in the /usr/games as well as some command and most games in /usr/games and p7zip no longer works
[11:40] <JAMD456> echo $PATH
[11:40] <JAMD456> /home/john/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[11:45] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: What happens when you try to run "p7zip" from the terminal?
[11:46] <JAMD456> It says that it is not installed (it is, I found the executable in a folder) and that I can install it by typing the command
[11:47] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: Where is the executable? It should be in /usr/bin, which is in your $PATH
[11:50] <JAMD456> Jordan_U 7zip is in folder but 7zr is not command I tried using was this 7zr x ryzom_client.7z
[11:51] <JAMD456> I have the p7zip package installed from the software center
[11:52] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: What is the output of "apt-cache policy p7zip | grep Installed"?
[11:53] <JAMD456> Installed: (none)
[11:53] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: Then you don't have p7zip installed.
[11:53] <JAMD456> It is installed the files are on disk and I have reinstalled it
[11:54] <JAMD456> multiple times it just is not working
[11:54] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: You do *not* have the package p7zip installed, that is clear.
[11:55] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: sudo apt-get install p7zip
[11:55] <JAMD456> I did
[11:55] <JAMD456> It is still not working
[11:55] <Jordan_U> You don't currently, for whatever reason.
[11:56] <JAMD456> I just installed it again, from synaptic, removed it and reinstalled it
[11:56] <gnomefreak> dpkg -l |grep p7zip
[11:57] <Jordan_U> JAMD456: Please pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install p7zip && p7zip --help"
[11:57] <JAMD456> ii  p7zip-full                            9.04~dfsg.1-1                                   7z and 7za file archivers with high compression ratio
[11:57] <gnomefreak> if installed it should have "ii"
[11:57] <gnomefreak> did you install it from a .deb?
[11:57] <JAMD456> It does but it still will not run from terminal, and no I did not
[11:58] <JAMD456> I installed it from the software center then from synaptic
[12:00] <gnomefreak> ok than i would say its a bug and should be filed
[12:00] <Jordan_U> I'm not convinced of any bug.
[12:00] <JAMD456> Jordan_U I did what you asked and it works now http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/0AyBZQ4C
[12:00] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: why not?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> scratch that
[12:01] <gnomefreak> JAMD456: does policy show it now?
[12:02] <JAMD456> Yes
[12:03] <gnomefreak> than it wasnt installed
[12:04] <JAMD456> gnomefreak Why did it not install to begin with while saying in both the Software center and synaptic that it was installed?
[12:05] <gnomefreak> JAMD456: dont know also dont know why dpkg says it was installed
[12:10] <tqft> when upgrading lucid to maverick, should I disable proprietary ati driver first?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> tqft: did you install it from a .run file?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> or did you install our package?
[12:11] <tqft> no through jockey (System Admin ...)
[12:11] <gnomefreak> tqft: than no you dont need to disable it
[12:12] <gnomefreak> it _should_ upgrade it
[12:12] <tqft> cool thanks, been running without being able to play movies for about 2 weeks
[12:13] <tqft> but I do need to disable medibuntu first
[12:13] <gnomefreak> tqft: use update-manager and you wont have to
[12:13] <gnomefreak> tqft: update-manager -d it will do everything for you
[12:14] <tqft> even better, last question is gcc 4.5 standard in maverick, I can see it in the packages.ubuntu.org, but can't see if it is default
[12:15] <gnomefreak> 4:4.4.4-1  is default i think
[12:16] <tqft> ah well, hopefully it isn't too far away, being able to play movies will help ease the pain
[12:16] <tqft> thank you very much
[12:17] <Ian_corne> Request accepted. Please note that special requests can take up to sixteen weeks to deliver. For quicker processing, choose a standard option instead.
[12:17] <Ian_corne> :)
[12:17] <Ian_corne> 5 days
[12:17] <gnomefreak> what does a C compiler have to do with movies
[12:18] <Alan> Haha, i'm pretty sure nothing
[12:18] <tqft> i like my browser to go fast, but need gcc4.5 to Profile Guided Optimisation on firefox for linux, so am stuck at the moment with no movies and a "slow" broswer
[12:18] <Alan> ooooh
[12:18] <Alan> RC is out already?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[12:18] <Alan> I guess it is 5 days till release
[12:19] <gnomefreak> yes RC was released
[12:22] <tqft> ok am off to do some backups and then an upgrade -d
[12:25] <Alan> whoa, ok, are the ubuntu servers under a lot of stress or something?
[12:25] <Alan> less than 90KB/s!
[12:26] <Alan> hhmmm
[12:26] <Alan> i'll try a different server...
[12:27] <Alan> THAT'S more like it
[12:27] <Alan> 5.5MB/s
[12:27] <penguin42> hmph, this machine didn't come back from hibernate
[12:28] <Alan> huh, speaking of hibernate, since when did ubuntu have the ability to go to hibernate before running out of power when suspended?
[12:28] <Alan> I found out by accident that it does that now, but I swear it didn't happen 1 or 2 releases ago
[12:30] <PolarFox> Alan: That's faster than my HDD... :D
[12:31] <Alan> what?
[12:31] <Alan> how slow is your HDD??
[12:34] <PolarFox> Alan: According to iotop, I never get more than 2,5M/s :)
[12:34] <penguin42> PolarFox: Youch!
[12:34] <PolarFox> hdparm gives me 46.22MB/s .. so in theory it's a lot faster than 5.5MB/s
[12:34] <penguin42> oh 46 is ok for a laptop drive
[12:35] <PolarFox> penguin42: I've not seen that in iotop.. rarely above 2MB after Maverick upgrage :)
[12:35] <penguin42> PolarFox: Does hdparm -tT still show 46MB/s ?
[12:36] <PolarFox> penguin42: yeah
[12:36] <donri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/506427/  Can't open gnome-appearance-properties for gdm
[12:36] <Alan> PolarFox: interesting
[12:36] <PolarFox> but running more than 3 programs, my CPU is in iowait 90% of the time..
[12:37] <Alan> hdparm -tT shows 89MB/s for buffered disk reads...
[12:37] <PolarFox> "more than 3 programs" means that I use them a lot and there is some disk stuff being read all the time..
[12:37] <Alan> also on a laptop
[12:37] <penguin42> PolarFox: the ouput of iostat may be more useful in tracking down what's going on
[12:38] <PolarFox> mmh.. I don't have it on my laptop
[12:40] <PolarFox> penguin42: it takes some time to get real results from it?
[12:40] <penguin42> PolarFox: Yeh, do  iostat 5     and you'll get a line every 5 seconds
[12:41] <PolarFox> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/biTVgceg there is some data, but it's by no means average as you can imagine from a minute of running sysstat :)
[12:43] <penguin42> PolarFox: Can you rerun it with -x
[12:43] <PolarFox> edited the paste
[12:44] <penguin42> no, won't let me see that ID any more
[12:44] <PolarFox> ouch
[12:44] <PolarFox> http://pastebin.com/J5Tz5QuM
[12:47] <penguin42> PolarFox: OK, so it's not actually read that much from the disk (2731kB/s I think) but it's had a total of 93 separate requests - so probably a lot of seeking going on
[12:48] <PolarFox> Yeah.. it's not slow all the time.. my machine just goes unresponsive when I have a lot of IO going on...
[12:49] <PolarFox> like when browsing with firefox and upgrading kernel with apt.. (depmod -au...)
[12:49] <penguin42> I think firefox and apt both have a habit of syncing the disk that slows stuff down
[12:49] <Alan> are the values from iostat a moving average or something?
[12:51] <donri> Was needing xhost +SI:localuser:gdm. didn't in Lucid. BRB see if it worked.
[12:51] <penguin42> Alan: They're just measurement over the period, so if you do iostat 5 you get the stats for that 5 second period
[12:51] <PolarFox> I process alot of RAW pictures @ home.. and it tends to freeze my desktop too when I import stuff to database.. that machine is on all the time and because of that is idle a lot.. http://pastebin.com/ZvmhJAhX there is iostat for that machine(running 10.10 also)
[12:51] <Alan> penguin42: oh, what's the default period then?
[12:52] <penguin42> Alan: Not sure
[12:52] <PolarFox> almost the same.. it does recover faster.. but desktop disk are a bit faster.. :)
[12:52] <Alan> my iowait is pretty low
[12:52] <Alan> sub-1%
[12:52] <Alan> then again, i'm not doing anything heavy
[12:52] <Alan> just got lots of browser tabs
[12:52] <Alan> (chrome)
[13:01] <Alan> Ok, not to be mean, but WHAT THE HELL?
[13:02] <Alan> You've got the keyboard layout selection screen AFTER the first screen at which you need to type something?
[13:02] <Alan> What idiot(s) arranged those screens?
[13:03] <Pici> Your friendly neighborhood developers.  File a bug if you think its a problem.
[13:03] <Alan> heh, i think I will
[13:05] <Alan> oh, hmm
[13:05] <Alan> there's a circular dependency there, isn't there?
[13:05] <Alan> guess keyboard based on location
[13:05] <Alan> need correct keyboard to type location
[13:25] <AnxiousNut> can someone please tell me the version of tint2 provided in maverick? (you can check using: apt-cache showpkg tint2)
[13:25] <n8w> hey
[13:25] <n8w> i keep gettin this error for printin in okular after upgradin to 10.10: lpr: Bad job-sheets value ""!
[13:25] <n8w> any idea?
[13:25] <penguin42> AnxiousNut: 0.9-2
[13:25] <AnxiousNut> penguin42, thanks
[13:25] <penguin42> AnxiousNut: You can also check on packages.ubuntu.com
[13:27] <n8w> anyone?
[13:28] <penguin42> n8w: Looks like it's the same as this ancient bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeadmin/+bug/403169
[13:29] <n8w> penguin42:  ye ive found this one...i did everythin it says
[13:30] <n8w> penguin42:  but nothin happened...hmm w8...i might have forgoten restart cups...
[13:36] <penguin42> hmm breakfast
[13:46] <SeRVeR01> hey all is there any way to run .Net apps  ?
[13:57] <JCStodds> Does anyone have experience with fixing the problem that your soundcard only allows one sound source at a time?
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> SeRVeR01:  try the mono stuff.
[14:08] <SeRVeR01> Dr_Willis, yea i googled for it and am downloading it right now  thanks
[14:10] <BUGabundo> guud afternuun peeps
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> Moo!
[14:15] <WinnipegGirl> Hi guys... I'm using 10.10 on on an eeepc with 2GB of ram, but this new interface is killing me. Apps respond super slow, which I'm gonna guess is because of mutter. Is the old netbook interface still available, the one called netbook remix in 9.04 and such?
[14:21] <n8w> penguin42:  ok it works,but there is another problem...JobSheets has "none" "none" as parameters, in order to print it has to look like: JobSheets none, however after each print it bein overridden back to "none" "none"
[14:27] <WinnipegGirl> Also, I'm trying to tweak it to eek some more performance out of it... where has "system > administration> services" ?
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> WinnipegGirl:  most services are now handled by upstart.. i dont think theres a gui tool that haneles Upstart yet.
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> check /etc/init/ for whats ran by upstart.
[14:28] <WinnipegGirl> Dr_Willis: ok.. is there a cli tool then?
[14:28] <WinnipegGirl> upstart still uses update-rc.d to control services?
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> theres no need for a cli tool really. :) rename the /etc/init/whatever.conf to be 'whatever.DONTRUN' to disable the service you dont want
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> WinnipegGirl:  not that ive seen it dosent..
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> update-rc.d handles the sysv services that are still around. (less of them with every reelase)
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> and those are actually upstart scripts these days
[14:33] <WinnipegGirl> Dr_Willis: Think I understand thanks. I'm just polishing the rails on the titanic I think, because I've got oodles of ram, it's just that Im not convinced a netbook can handle the graphics requirements of mutter. Gonna look to see if it can be tweaked to something like 'low resource mode' in metacity.
[14:33] <WinnipegGirl> Gotta restart though, set vm.swappiness to 0 since it's caching 600 mbs even though I have 900 still available.
[14:33] <WinnipegGirl> that should help
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> There was some netbook feature to run on lesser gfx powered hardware
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> netbook-elf or netbook-efl ?
[14:34] <WinnipegGirl> I saw that in synaptics ... ok, thanks for the hint, and you other assistance
[14:38] <penguin42> n8w: Yeh that looks like what that bug was saying; best thing I think is to subscribe to that bug and confirm it
[14:39] <n8w> penguin42:  hmm ye
[14:40] <penguin42> n8w: It looks to me like someone has 'fixed' the original problem with the "none" being missing altogether but ended up with two of them
[14:40] <n8w> penguin42:  :) ye
[14:41] <n8w> penguin42:  lets see if somebody will manage to fix it properly
[14:41] <penguin42> n8w: Confirm it and then I guess maybe push it up to the KDE bug guys?
[14:42]  * penguin42 doesn't know which bits of kde are done where
[14:43] <Dr_Willis> I still notice that some Terminal programs do not get TERM variable set..    anyone else still seeing this?
[14:45] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: I noticed there was a bug against it
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> penguin42:  ok. at least its being looked into.
[14:47] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: No, all I said was someone else had reported it!
[14:47] <64MAANT1E> 5 days left :-))
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> I made my .bashrc print out   --> echo 'Your term is set to ' $TERM
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> so i see it being set to DUMB in many but not all xterm emulators
[14:51] <donri> Dr_Willis: I had this in tilda yes
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> i was working on a list of what ones worked.. and what dident.. but i got bored. :)
[14:52] <donri> :D
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> xterm works via login shell, or normal shell. terminator works via login shell...
[14:53] <donri> You can export TERM=xterm in .bashrc but duno if that can mess other stuff up
[14:53] <Dr_Willis> donri:  it can.. a better way is Set the variable only IF its set to dumb. :)
[14:53] <donri> But surely there must be situations where it's *supposed* to be dummy?
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> dumb  would be for serial terminals/line printers that have very few features..
[15:00]  * penguin42 plugs Dr_Willis into a teletype
[15:00] <Dr_Willis> I used to IRC on a green bar printing terminal/telatype..
[15:01] <penguin42> hehe
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> yes. i AM old.
[15:02] <fcn> will I be able to update from 9.10?
[15:02]  * penguin42 has used printing terminals (one that used to be ona  PDP) but not on a machine connected to the net
[15:02] <penguin42> fcn: I'd do it in stages
[15:02] <penguin42> fcn: Upgrade to 10.04 first, make sure that's happy, then to 10.10
[15:19] <mikebeecham> hi guys...I'm having real problems with Plymouth.
[15:19] <mikebeecham> all I have is "Ubuntu 10.10" with some dots underneath
[15:20] <mikebeecham> nothing graphical
[15:20] <mikebeecham> the text is mono space
[15:20] <mikebeecham> is there something I can do to get the graphical Plymouth?
[15:20] <unimatrix9> hello there
[15:21] <unimatrix9> is there a way to get 10.10 running from usb pendrive , i get this error , does any one have succes running it from usb drive ?
[15:26] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, the graphical interface, to y knowledge, is the "ubuntu 10.10 w/ dots underneath"
[15:26] <mikebeecham> Ken8521, yeah...but I think it should be plymouth logo, instead of plymouth text
[15:26] <mikebeecham> both are installed, but text seems to be default
[15:26] <mikebeecham> from what I can gather
[15:27] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, i dunno, all i have when booting is "ubuntu 10.10".. and the progress dots under neath... then I go to the log in screen
[15:27] <Ken8521> or am i not understanding your question?
[15:27] <mikebeecham> well I see the same thing...but instead of it being a graphical thing...it's just monospace text, like in ttyl
[15:28] <Ken8521> so you get text, adn the GUI?
[15:29] <Ken8521> !info v86d
[15:30] <mikebeecham> Ken8521, just the text...no GUI plymouth
[15:30] <Ken8521> but you said you're getting the ubuntu logo w/ the dots underneath.
[15:35] <mikebeecham> no i didnt
[15:36] <mikebeecham> I said that I had "Ubuntu 10.10" in monospace text
[15:36] <mikebeecham> with dots underneath
[15:36] <mikebeecham> no logo
[15:36] <mikebeecham> it's all in monospace text
[15:36] <Ken8521> ok.. i misunderstood then
[15:36] <penguin42> mikebeecham: What graphics hardware?
[15:37] <mikebeecham> penguin42, nvidia 7600gt
[15:37] <Ken8521> the "dots underneath" is what got me.. because the 10.10 default graphic, is Ubuntu 10.10, w/ progress dots under neath
[15:37]  * penguin42 doesn't have an NVidia but I think there are some nvidiaisms as to do with when it can get graphics in the splash
[15:38] <Ken8521> penguin42, i've got a 7900, and it seems to work fine for me.
[15:38] <mikebeecham> soneone on ubuntu channel seems to think that 10.10 isnt using plymouth any more?
[15:38] <Ken8521> other than it's huge, because i have dual screens
[15:40] <mikebeecham> brb
[15:41] <charlie-tca> I don't get the plymouth splash screen with nvidia hardware drivers, myself.
[15:41] <charlie-tca> something to do with KMS and nvidia
[15:42] <Ken8521> if i put home on a separate partition... that means i'll have swap, /home and /   right?
[15:43] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:43]  * patdk-wk likes swap, /, /boot, /home, and sometimes /usr and /var
[15:44] <Ken8521> patdk-wk, well, i'm not doing all that.. thats ridiculous imo...
[15:44] <patdk-wk> I'm still paranoid of bios that don't work >500megs
[15:45] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, so what happens when i reinstall.. will i have to copy the /home partition, to the new /home?
[15:48] <IdleOne> anything to worry about with this mornings nvidia update?
[15:50] <Ken8521> IdleOne, i haven't restarted yet, so not sure...lol
[15:50] <bjsnider> IdleOne, quite the opposite
[15:50] <charlie-tca> If you do a reinstall on top of what is there, I don't quite know
[15:50] <IdleOne> Ken8521: I asked and then hit enter and went ahead with the update
[15:50] <IdleOne> bjsnider: good to hear, thanks :)
[15:51] <bjsnider> if you were not already using the 260 blob it will be quite a big change
[15:51] <IdleOne> been running Maverick since the tool chain, why worry about an update now lol
[15:52] <IdleOne> 260 blob?
[15:52] <IdleOne> let's hope the change is for better not worse
[15:53] <Ken8521> IdleOne, lol.. well, i hope so.
[15:53] <IdleOne> also why aren't you good folks in #ubuntu-release-party
[15:54] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, so what good is home on a different partition, if when you do a clean install it gets nuked
[15:54] <Ken8521> cuz it's not released yet?
[15:54] <charlie-tca> hmm, only if you did not have a separate /home already
[15:55] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, thats what i'm saying, if i put home on a separate partition... then how is the /home that is on the separat epartition, going to get on the /home that is under /
[15:55] <charlie-tca> If you had the / with /home in it, you just tell it not to format. It will then erase /etc and the other pertinent directories during the install, but keep /home
[15:55] <IdleOne> Ken8521: /home doesn't get nuked on a clean install because you would select advanced and the partitioning part of the install
[15:55] <Ken8521> yeah i always use advanced...
[15:55] <IdleOne> s/and the/at the
[15:55] <Ken8521> i'll figure it out.
[15:55] <charlie-tca> rename the existing /home and don't format
[15:55] <Ken8521> thank goodness for virtualbox
[15:56] <charlie-tca> you can then move the information
[15:56] <Ken8521> what's a good size for home? 2.5gb?
[15:56] <IdleOne> 10
[15:56] <Ken8521> 10?
[15:56] <IdleOne> oh /home
[15:56] <charlie-tca> You can resize instead of formatiing everything
[15:56] <IdleOne> as big as you can make it
[15:56] <Ken8521> hmm
[15:56] <Ken8521> ok..
[15:56] <charlie-tca> I like 4GB
[15:57] <charlie-tca> But I keep /home/downloads as a separate partition, too
[15:57] <Ken8521> IdleOne, so what % should home be, and what % should / be?
[15:57] <IdleOne> Ken8521: I have a 10G / and then I think I have 850G /home and 6G /swap
[15:58] <Ken8521> i see..
[15:58] <Gregory> hi. is 10.10 RC upgradable to release version on 8th Oct?
[15:58] <IdleOne> Gregory: on the 10th and yes
[15:59] <Gregory> and will it automatically be cleaned? and un-deferentiable from a fresh 10.10 released install?
[16:00] <Gregory> un-differentiable*
[16:00] <Ken8521> Gregory, i don't think it'll do all that.
[16:00] <IdleOne> well, not exactly. it won't be like a clean install because you already have some non-default apps installed on your current install but it will be 10.10
[16:01] <Gregory> i am worried about stale beta quality components left behind, causing stability issues
[16:01] <Ken8521> Gregory, then don't upgrade till final release
[16:01] <Ken8521> i've always started new versions around alpha, and never had an issue when a new release came out
[16:02] <Gregory> ty Ken8521. reason i ask was because i was going to install either 10.04 -> 10.10 or 10.10RC -> 10.10
[16:02] <penguin42> Gregory: A few things like that do happen, but they're rare - for example if you've still got unclutter installs, it was installed in one of the earlier alphas but taken out becuase it broke stuff
[16:02] <Gregory> which is the lesser evil? :)
[16:03] <Ken8521> Gregory, honestly, i don't like upgrading distros(ie, 10.04-10.10)... if it wree me, i'd install 10.10.
[16:03] <IdleOne> 10.04 to 10.10 would be the lesser evil
[16:03] <Gregory> ty penguin42. can you share your thoughts on ^^
[16:03] <Gregory> ok IdleOne. ty
[16:04] <IdleOne> personally I always do upgrades without issue but a clean install is always what I would recommend if you are worried
[16:04] <IdleOne> backups!!
[16:04] <KukuNut> if you do fresh install before the final then 10.10rc is best
[16:05] <IdleOne> Gregory: as you can see opinions vary on the subject :)
[16:05] <Ken8521> IdleOne, only reason i don't like upgrades.. the 1 upgrade i've done(back in my fedora days, 4-5) something happened in the middle, and borked my whole system... now i had a backup, but i spent 2 days trying to fix it, and reinstalled in 30min..
[16:05] <Gregory> and even better .. a separate /home. God knows how i miss my 1000s of app/os settings and i have to re-do them with every new release/distro
[16:05] <Ken8521> i don't even separate my home(well, i'm experimenting w/ the idea.
[16:06] <IdleOne> separate /home is nice. Why doesn't Ubuntu just default to a separate /home?
[16:06] <Ken8521> IdleOne, dunno.. my biggest thing... i have my system set up.. 25gigs(about 10 of which is taken up by a xp vbox disk)... then a 200 something gig partition where i keep all my files, etc
[16:07] <Ken8521> i'm not sure if i could set vbox to keep the virtual disk on that other drive or not.
[16:08] <KukuNut> vbox doesn't care where *.vdi's are located
[16:08] <Ken8521> hmm.
[16:08] <Ken8521> is there a place to change the default save setting?
[16:09] <Ken8521> cuz it always saves it in /.virtualbox/harddisks
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Ken8521: yes, you can tell it where to save the drives to by adding an environment variable
[16:10] <KukuNut> not sure what you mean..when you create a new disk  somehwere there is 'location'
[16:11] <KukuNut> size dialog
[16:12] <charlie-tca> I have mine set in /etc/environment as 'VBOX_USER_HOME="/mnt/whynot-home/VirtualBox"' which makes it keep everything for virtual box on a drive mounted with sshfs
[16:13] <Ken8521> hmm
[16:13] <charlie-tca> I don't even have /home/USER/.virtualbox
[16:14] <Ken8521> sounds like a separate /home is to big of a pain
[16:15] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, what about... cuz i only have 1 or two programs, that i've made significant changes to, that would make it easy to keep home separate... could i just back u the /home/.whatever folder.. and keep that folder w/ my backup.. then when i reinstall, copy that folder to my new home?
[16:16] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:16] <penguin42> is 'sicherheitsmodus' the german equivalent of safe mode?
[16:16] <Ken8521> i might do that instead
[16:19] <KukuNut> just tell vbox where it is in menu->file->Virtual Media Manager
[16:20] <Ken8521> yeah, i coud do that to.
[16:20] <Ken8521> cuz usually, when i reinstalll, after i reinstall vbox, thats how i tell it where to look for my xp disk(it's backed up on my large partition)
[16:20] <Ken8521> but i didn't know if it would actually store it there...
[16:21] <Ken8521> i'll figure it out
[16:21] <Ken8521> like i said, if this works w/ just copying a couple of configuration folders, then i'll be fine.
[16:21] <Ken8521> cuz thats really all i need, is a few programs
[16:21] <KukuNut> like I said earlier when you create a new one you can tell it to save where you want
[16:22] <Ken8521> KukuNut, it's never given me that optin when i've created disks before
[16:22] <KukuNut> in the Location and Size dialog
[16:23] <KukuNut> just click on the folder icon
[16:23] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[16:23] <Ken8521> guess i never paid much attention, beyond "size" on that screen
[16:24] <Ken8521> cuz see, really, the only programs i have that i would like to keep configuration files for, is Skype, Pidgin, and maybe chrome.
[16:24] <Ken8521> chrome doesn't seem to have a /home/.chrome
[16:27] <Ken8521> does anyone know where Chrome's configuration files are?  they aren't in /home/user/.chrome
[16:28] <penguin42> Ken8521: .config/chromium I think
[16:29] <KukuNut> or .config/google-chrome
[16:31] <Ken8521> yeah
[16:31] <Ken8521> won't let me copy that folder for some reason.
[16:38] <Ken8521> does anyone else hate that "instant" feature on Google?
[16:38] <penguin42> no
[16:39] <Ken8521> drives me crazy, i hate it
[16:39] <Ken8521> i like auto complete, but the instant thing is to much
[16:39] <penguin42> so, no one know German?
[16:40] <Ken8521> not enought ob e useful
[16:41] <charlie-tca> penguin42: translates to "Security Mode", which should be the "Safe Mode", I think
[16:42] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Right OK, that's what the guy seems to be saying in the report; wanted to check
[16:44] <Ken8521> i think that's gonna work better.. just backing up 4-5 configuration files, rather than my entire home folder
[16:50] <mrsun> .nextep mythbusters
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> mrsun:  ?
[16:52] <mrsun> lol =)
[16:52] <mrsun> wrong channel :P
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> shame shame :)
[16:52] <mrsun> its to see the date of the next episode release in another channel =)
[16:52] <mrsun> aw tomorrow
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> Heh heh
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> Ive not watched it much lately. To many other good shows out there.
[16:53] <Ken8521> that's gonna work out perfect, and it's easier than putting home on it's own partition
[16:55] <Ken8521> yeah
[16:55] <Ken8521> mythbusters was cool at first, then.. bleh.
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> its gotten a little.. annoying in ways. :)
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> Been watching a lot of BBC shows lately. they have some good  Science type shows out lately
[17:09] <aafuentes> hi, my ubuntu maverik wont boot up :(
[17:09] <aafuentes> ive read all the topics in the forum
[17:09] <aafuentes> about it
[17:10] <aafuentes> but no luck... besides my problem seems another one, because i have nvidia instead of ati
[17:10] <aafuentes> can anybody help me troobleshoot the problem?
[17:11] <aafuentes> it happens to me every beta, and i dont seem to learn the leason
[17:11] <aafuentes> i waited till 5 days for official release this time
[17:11] <aafuentes> :D its a progress...
[17:12] <aafuentes> i used to upgrade as soon as the rc was available
[17:12] <Pici> Best to start with what video card you have,.
[17:12] <aafuentes> nvidia geforce 8400 GS
[17:16] <aafuentes> i get to see the grub
[17:16] <bjsnider> then what happens
[17:17] <aafuentes> but i tried all the options, recovery and no recovery and none boots up
[17:17] <bjsnider> yes but what specifically happens
[17:17] <aafuentes> it stops at second 16 :/
[17:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> aafuentes: Is it staying on a blank screen or restarting?
[17:18] <aafuentes> it get to check the units
[17:18] <aafuentes> the screen goes to save mode
[17:18] <bjsnider> i don't know what any of that means
[17:19] <aafuentes> it get to the screen where it checks the disks for errors
[17:19] <aafuentes> after finishing the screen goes to save energy mode
[17:19] <IAmNotThatGuy> bjsnider: might be the xorg config. I think the monitor gets to the power saving mode and the processor is running
[17:19] <rusivi> aafuentes: It may actually be booting up and not showing it on your display due to driver issue.
[17:19] <aafuentes> if i press ctrl + alt + f1 i can see last messages from console
[17:20] <aafuentes> it says hda_codec: cannot build controls for #0 (error -22)
[17:20] <aafuentes> in the line before no nid for mapping controls input source :0:0
[17:20] <aafuentes> its stuck in second 13
[17:20] <aafuentes> no more lines after that
[17:21] <aafuentes> before that the screen is full of hda-intel: spurious response (hex code...)
[17:21] <aafuentes> i googled all those errors without luck :(
[17:22] <aafuentes> IAmNotThatGuy, ctrl + alt + f7 the screen goes save energy mode
[17:22] <aafuentes> ctrl + alt + f1 it goes to the load screen, where it shows the second.milisecon and what its doing
[17:23] <aafuentes> but it stoped at the messages i wrote before
[17:23] <aafuentes> i cant even scroll up to see what is up
[17:24] <aafuentes> i tried the new kernels in maverik, and the old kernels on lucid
[17:24] <aafuentes> both recovery and normal, it goes to the same screen
[17:24] <phoenix_> any one tried using vlc in kubuntu 10.10
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> phoenix_:  it works fine for me on ubuntu 10.10
[17:24] <phoenix_> how is the performace with hd videos
[17:25] <IAmNotThatGuy> aafuentes: I have no clue with it
[17:25] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: are you able to use the gpu acceleration feature
[17:25] <aafuentes> neither i have :( IAmNotThatGuy
[17:25] <aafuentes> thanks anyway
[17:25] <IAmNotThatGuy> but it is a Video card bug
[17:25] <aafuentes> i am downloading a iso to boot from usb
[17:25] <aafuentes> do you know what log or what can i do from there?
[17:26] <aafuentes> what log can i look for*?
[17:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> you cannot use Live CD to look for logs
[17:27] <aafuentes> cant i mount the disk on my pc to look for logs?
[17:27] <aafuentes> are they ereased?
[17:28] <IAmNotThatGuy> look at /var/log/syslog
[17:28] <IAmNotThatGuy> that will I think
[17:28] <aafuentes> u.u its of no use without my live-usb
[17:29] <aafuentes> i guess ill go to take a nap while it downloads
[17:29] <aafuentes> thanks anyway ;D
[17:29] <IAmNotThatGuy> see ya and good luck :)
[17:29] <aafuentes> thanks, ill need it... i have important work to do on that computer
[17:30] <aafuentes> my curiosity is gonna kill me one of these days
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> phoenix_:  that vpadu thing seems to work on my new laptop.
[17:30] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: good
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> phoenix_:  but its so fast.. i proberly wouldent notice if it wasent working. :)
[17:31] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: how you tried playing files larger than 17 gb?
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> where do you even FIND a 17gb video file?
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> that would be like an 8+ Hr movie.
[17:32] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis:some of the hd videos in the format .mkv are larger than 17 gb
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> sounds a bit overkill to me.
[17:32] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: what is the graphics accelerator your laptop has?
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> Nvidia 360m i think.
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> GTS 360M yep.. thats it.
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> rather decent little machine. :) it was almost $1000
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> 2 hard drives even. i5 CPU
[17:34] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis:good. for me vlc performs well except for the hd videos larger than 17 gb. thanks for the info :)
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> Ive never seen a video file larger then perhaps 4gb..  i forget what one that was even..  some HD anime.. No idea why it was so huge..
[17:35] <bjsnider> Dr_Willis, the video file on a bluray disc are usually very much larger than 17gb
[17:35] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis:  bjsnider is right
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> Ive yet to buy a BlueR player, or disk. :) or watch one anywhere else...
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> This is why you reencode video. :)
[17:35] <malton> is anyone using libreoffice?  i am having trouble with desktop integration.  in 10.04 it worked well with gnome but it looks like it is either trying to be kde (poorly) or at the very least not trying to be gnome
[17:35] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: you can try the sample hd videos available is apple's website
[17:36] <bjsnider> transcoding the video loses quality
[17:36] <phoenix_> malton: i tried
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> makes me wonder what all the cruft they are packing into these videos are..
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> 17gb for a single movie.. is a little overkill by my standards. :)
[17:36] <bjsnider> not if the movie is 3 hours long
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> a 3hr movie is proberly more then i can stand also. :P
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> Wife wont let me alone more then 10 min at a time anyway
[17:37] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: try schindler's list
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> phoenix_:  ill pass on that one also...
[17:38] <phoenix_> malton: libreoffice works fine for me
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> I tend to watch Science type shows and so forth.
[17:38] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: bbc life hd videos
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> phoenix_:  those ive seen are perhaps 1.3gb in size..
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> but then again. these are not Blueray. :) they are tv recordings
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> I need to see what netflix has in that catatory..
[17:39] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: when 3D videos get popular the files sizes will be more than 50 gb
[17:40] <Dr_Willis> 3d  - popular.. i will wait and see if that happens also...
[17:41] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if this laptop even has a Blueray disk in it. I see no blueray stickers.. so im thinking not.
[17:41] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: blueray are expensive
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> whats scary.. is i bet the big Innovators in 3d videos will be the porn industury. all these other dvd 'features' like different camera angles, and so forth.. ive only seen on  those kind of disks..  :)
[17:42] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: ha ha ha
[17:43] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: you are right, the movie makers are concentrating on visuals rather than the story itself
[17:44] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: but we should be open minded about the new inventions
[17:45] <phoenix_> Dr_Willis: bye
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> 3d is a new invention? :)
[17:53] <malton> looks like i missed phoenix, is anyone else using libreoffice?  are you having integration issues and if not how did you install it?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> ahh food http://brainbird.net/attachment/1174749
[17:54] <BUGabundo> I was starving
[17:56] <kuvu> 4.5.2 release today..it would be interesting if it can make it to 10.10.10
[17:59] <DarthFrog> Good morning.  How can I get Maverick to leave fglrx alone?  It insists on putting fglrx on the autoremove list.
[17:59] <DarthFrog> I think apt-pin is what I need.
[18:04] <KukuNut> aptitude unmarkauto
[18:10] <Dr_Willis> !pin
[18:13] <swex> hi
[18:14] <neko_> i try to install  the 10.10 on a lenovo s10-3  netbook, with an usb key, but it won't go further than the language selection
[18:14] <neko_> oh and hi
[18:14] <penguin42> neko_: Does it give any error? How did you create the key
[18:14] <BUGabundo> neko unplug the network
[18:14] <neko_> no error at all
[18:15] <swex> after upgrade to 10.10 I got bug with metacity compositing feature, gtk interface details such menu etc stays on top of any window untill I restart window manager
[18:15] <neko_> i have create the key with the ubuntu tool for this purpose
[18:15] <swex> anybody can help me with this stuff
[18:15] <neko_> penguin42, usb-creator
[18:15] <penguin42> neko_: On Lucid?
[18:16] <neko_> i have try on lucid and with maverick
[18:16] <neko_> same problem
[18:16] <neko_> i have check the md5sum as well all is good
[18:16] <neko_> and the usbkey seems to boot correctly on other computers
[18:16] <penguin42> hmm, not sure; they're used to be problems with using the lucid creator - but I thnk that would fail earlier, there were also problems with if the key was created with persistent storage, don't know if that's still there
[18:17] <penguin42> neko_: Ah if it's fine on others, then I guess it's something specific to that machine - hmm
[18:17] <neko_> i go try again on another laptop to be sure
[18:21] <neko_> that's it
[18:21] <neko_> it works ok an another laptop
[18:24] <neko_> well... no success i will try to install a lucid one
[18:24] <neko_> see if it behave the same
[18:27] <penguin42> neko_: If that works, I would try the alternate CD image, either way please report a bug (against ubiquity)
[18:28]  * penguin42 goes to get dinner
[18:36] <Facuxt> Hello everyone
[18:36] <Facuxt> Anyone can help me setting up utouch?
[18:37] <Facuxt> anyone can help me with utouch?
[18:37] <Facuxt> how can i set-up gestures??
[18:38] <Facuxt> Anyone ??
[18:39] <Facuxt> Alexia_Death
[18:39] <Facuxt> can you help me setting up utouch??, how can i enable gestures?
[18:41] <Alexia_Death> sorry, I dont even know what utouch is and at the moment do not have time to get to know it.
[18:41] <rusivi> Facuxt: It's quite new, may want to check out code at ->https://launchpad.net/canonical-multitouch/utouch-grail
[18:41] <Facuxt> ok, sorry
[18:42] <Facuxt> ok ;)
[18:43] <Facuxt> rusivi: There is any gui to control it?
[18:44] <rusivi> Facuxt: I do not have a utouch capable device, nor am a contributing developer to that trunk. If you have a utouch capable device feel free to install it and let us know how it goes :)
[18:44] <trism> Facuxt: there is some more information here too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch (I don't have any devices that would work with it myself, so I have no idea otherwise)
[18:45] <Facuxt> rusivi: i installed utouch.. but i dont know how to use it :P
[18:45] <Facuxt> ive made gesturetest 0 0 0xffffffff but the terminal do nothing..
[18:46] <rusivi> !utouch
[18:46] <rusivi> ahhh shoot
[18:47] <Facuxt> hmm..
[18:47] <Facuxt> how can i use it ? :P
[18:47] <Facuxt> i mean, how can i enable gesture "thing" in there
[18:47] <Facuxt> :P
[18:49] <Facuxt> rusivi: and the most important thing, it works with synaptics touch pad's
[18:49] <Facuxt> rusivi: :P
[18:50] <rusivi> Facuxt Looks like your the defacto beta tester for utouch :)
[18:50] <Facuxt> :O
[18:50] <Facuxt> what means defacto heheh
[18:50] <rusivi> Default/implied
[18:50] <Facuxt> oh
[18:50] <Facuxt> yeas
[18:51] <Facuxt> :P
[18:51] <Facuxt> im want to use it HEHEH
[18:51] <Facuxt> my netbook used to has "That thing that reminds me of death" XP (window$)
[18:51] <Facuxt> but i hated it and installed ubuntu ... since it was 9.04
[18:51] <Facuxt> now i has 10.10 RC.. and its awesome
[18:52] <Facuxt> but.. i installed it cuz utouch :P
[18:52] <Facuxt> and i can't find any guide or howto...
[18:52] <Facuxt> so im here :-)
[18:52] <Facuxt> ehm, you told me that you are a developer to that trunk?
[18:53] <rusivi> Not I. My first move if I was utouch testing would read the manpage if it exists (I did not find a community page for it)
[18:53] <Facuxt> yes i've made
[18:54] <Facuxt> man gesturetest
[18:54] <Facuxt> but it just show 1 line of examples :P
[18:54] <Facuxt> and credits :/
[18:57] <rusivi> Facuxt: One great way to go is to ask a question on the utouch Launchpad page -> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/utouch-grail
[18:57] <Facuxt> another guy asked something like i should put
[18:57] <Facuxt> and no one answered :/
[18:57] <Facuxt> heeh
[18:57] <Facuxt> so it seems i has to wait :(
[18:58] <rusivi> yeah the dev's are mega busy so patience is a virtue. If your question expires, re-ask/update it!
[18:58] <rusivi> Spam is good in very small doses
[18:58] <Facuxt> hheheh
[18:58] <Facuxt> i will take that in my mind :P
[18:58] <Facuxt> thank you for ur help
[18:59] <rusivi> np wish I could help further
[18:59] <Facuxt> i was thinking i was stupid :P
[18:59] <rusivi> no way man! your dealing with the frontier of modern computing technology
[18:59] <Facuxt> wow! that sounds great :)
[18:59] <rusivi> It's not easy by any means
[18:59] <Facuxt> you develop something ??
[19:00] <Facuxt> because i see you handle this environment very good
[19:00] <CalicoJack> so are there any killer features that will make me want to switch to 10.10 when it comes out?
[19:01] <Facuxt> ehm... Multi touch gestures (natively)
[19:01] <CalicoJack> ooooo
[19:01] <Facuxt> a new software center
[19:01] <CalicoJack> that is a good one
[19:01] <CalicoJack> (multi touch)
[19:01] <Facuxt> and more
[19:01] <Facuxt> yep.. im trying RC..
[19:01] <Facuxt> and installed utouch
[19:01] <Facuxt> but i really dont know what steps follow to make it work :P
[19:02] <CalicoJack> so it support multi touch gestures natively but you couldn't get them to work?
[19:06] <CalicoJack> that is not really a strong argument for upgrading
[19:07] <thomas82> hello
[19:09] <ChrisBuchholz> How can i install the Unity Application Menu applet in Desktop edition? All i can find on google is about the 'debugging mode' where it shows it in both the panel and the window
[19:11] <thomas82> I tried to do as much as possible with CPU Lag which makes Ubuntu 10.10 unusable. I received some great advices here on channel, but now need some more help. Could you please take a look at those screens & vmstat 1 output, and tell what else can I do?   http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8637/201010051874x873.png http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/896/201010051843x883.png http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=SmZ2Usbc
[19:13]  * penguin42 looks
[19:14] <thomas82> thanks ;)
[19:14] <penguin42> thomas82: OK, so at what point was it laggy ?
[19:15] <thomas82> penguin42: If you look into vmstat output, after thirs "section" the lag has started...
[19:16] <penguin42> third ?
[19:16] <thomas82> you can see high increases in left column
[19:16] <thomas82> fourth, sorry
[19:16] <penguin42> oh yeh - lots and lots of running processes
[19:17] <rjhall> hi. I just upgraded to 10.10.  I see an issue with the window chrome on the default(?) skin; when i move a mouse over the min/max/restore buttons  on the top of the window, the buttons don't hilight until i mouse-off.  So i see no change with a mouse-over, only with a mouse-off
[19:17] <rjhall> ..i didn't see any mention in the RN, but it's a pretty obvious problem
[19:17] <thomas82> penguin42: but it doesn't matter, the lag is comming without any reason, I had those same applications running all the time
[19:17] <penguin42> thomas82: Well, lets see - no swapping (good), not much IO (good), but you have ~40 processors and yet the cpu is apparently pretty idle - which is a bit odd
[19:19] <thomas82> penguin42: just look for that link and htop output: http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/896/201010051843x883.png the first line is something with X... I think that probably it cause all that sh**
[19:19] <rjhall> switching themes away and back to ambiance fixes it though
[19:20] <penguin42> thomas82: Well that shows X being pretty busy - but that could be because you've got loads of monitors updating the display :-)
[19:22] <penguin42> thomas82: It could also be due to some flash stuff going on; I notice the nspluginwrapper
[19:22] <penguin42> but still, that shouldn't make the whole machine crawl
[19:22] <thomas82> penguin42:  I've got only one monitor.. :P ...  its because I"m using x64 machine... it was installed by default i think... ;)
[19:22] <penguin42> thomas82: I meant because of the htop, vmstat and pretty graphs
[19:22] <thomas82> penguin42: if there is no lag, also X process is very low...
[19:23] <penguin42> thomas82: So, comparing to my machine here (i7-860 so also shown as 8 threads) - one of the differences is that I have a LOT less context swtiches
[19:23] <thomas82> I had those all programs runned all the time.... the lag is always coming suddenly, without any reason...
[19:23] <penguin42> thomas82: Mine is ticking over at ~2k cs, 98% idle
[19:24] <penguin42> thomas82: With audio playing from exaile in the background but not doing much else
[19:24] <thomas82> penguin42: That's probably because of dynamips... but, with the exact same set of programs the problem didn't exist on 10.04
[19:24]  * penguin42 playing a video on youtube pushes it up to ~5k cs's
[19:25] <thomas82> penguin42: its definitely kernel or ati driver problem... :(
[19:25] <penguin42> thomas82: Open or closed ati?
[19:25] <thomas82> now closed, but I had before also some other problems with open..
[19:25] <penguin42> thomas82: Then unlikely to be the ATI driver since the two are very unrelated
[19:26] <penguin42> thomas82: So I'd guess kernel is most likely; if you kill off dynamips does it happen?
[19:26] <thomas82> penguin42: Yes, but I don't think with open drivers that problem was with lag, rather something with proper display...
[19:27] <thomas82> penguin42: after a while average load will slowly go down..
[19:28] <thomas82> penguin42: Yesterday I've also made a test, I run the same set of dynamips under Ubuntu 10.04 inside VBOX and was ok...
[19:28] <thomas82> no lags in VM as well as in main O/s
[19:29] <thomas82> penguin42: Also the same problem was when I tried gentoo and sabayon...
[19:30] <penguin42> thomas82: Have you tried schedtool ?
[19:30] <thomas82> penguin42: nope
[19:30] <penguin42> http://www.twam.info/linux/changing-scheduling-parameters-in-linux suggested it
[19:31] <thomas82> penguin42: Thank you :) Maybe this will help :)
[19:31] <penguin42> thomas82: There are also a zillion sched_ options in /proc/sys/kernel
[19:32] <penguin42> thomas82: But look, I'd file a bug against Linux on it; I don't think it's the Radeon driver if it does it on both open and closed
[19:33] <thomas82> penguin42: I'll check again open driver to make sure that the problem doesn't exist with the same set of apps
[19:33] <Semitones> funkyHat, what do you know about cyclocross bikes?
[19:34] <Semitones> oh whoops, wrong channel -- answer in offtopic
[19:34] <thomas82> brb
[19:38] <penguin42> thomas82: www.fizyka.umk.pl/~jkob/prace-mag/cfs-tuning.pdf
[19:47]  * BUGabundo smashed laptop onto the wall
[19:54] <bjsnider> that's probably not good for it
[19:54] <yofel> evening
[19:55] <zanus_> so will meerkat be "stable" in 5 days or what
[19:55] <bjsnider> it's stable now
[19:55] <zanus_> my package-manager won't even stay open, any reason why
[19:55] <saxin> cant understand 10.10 is "stable"
[19:56] <saxin> cant even get my nvidia driver supported :\
[19:56] <bjsnider> nvidia works fine here
[19:56] <saxin> not here
[19:56] <bjsnider> so does synpatic
[19:56] <zanus_> I know it's in RC1, but i thought 10.04 was the stable right now
[19:56] <bjsnider> that's lucid
[19:56] <bjsnider> this channel is for maverick, not lucid
[19:56] <saxin> Everything works great, except nvidia driver
[19:57] <penguin42> bjsnider: The RC seems to have a few more bugs for me than I'd hope for
[19:57] <zanus_> good for me I don't have nvidia stuf
[19:57] <saxin> ye
[19:57] <saxin> never had any problems with nvidia cards before, but in 10.10 its a freaking mess
[19:57] <zanus_> the other day "Window List" completely crashed out of nowhere
[19:57] <dajhorn> saxin: If you are using the nvidia-173 driver, then note that it was updated this morning.
[19:58] <saxin> I juse the "current" driver?
[19:58] <zanus_> I couldn't even reload it
[19:58] <bjsnider> if he's using nvidia-173, he has had problems before
[19:58] <saxin> from additional drivers
[19:58] <penguin42> saxin: The closed drivers are always a little hairy before release
[19:58] <dajhorn> saxin:  nvidia-current works-for-me since the beta.  Are you getting an error?
[19:59] <saxin> penguin42, but its 5 days left :P
[19:59] <penguin42> saxin: Hey that's 5 days :-)
[19:59] <bjsnider> there's nothing wrong with nvidia-current from a packaging standpoint
[19:59] <neglesaks> 5 days till...
[19:59] <saxin> dajhorn, well... when I reboot it just start flashing when it tries to load gnome
[19:59] <slyrus_> my 10.10 disappointment is that 48khz audio sucks in both totem and mplayer :(
[19:59] <saxin> bjsnider, ok.. so what is the cause of this then? :P
[19:59] <neglesaks> 10.10 has been thumbs up for me, compared to half a year with 10.04 lts
[20:00]  * penguin42 has gained a hibernation problem on <- machine and a hang on shutdown on another machine neither of which happened before; and a 30 second boot pause that's rather annoying
[20:00] <penguin42> Hangs on shutdowns and hibernation issues are always ver very nasty to debug though
[20:02] <bjsnider> saxin, you have not even provided conclusive proof that the graphics driver is the problem
[20:02] <saxin> what else can cause the problem?
[20:02] <saxin> everything works great untill I install the graphics driver
[20:02] <saxin> and take a reboot
[20:06] <thomas82> opensource driver is on... let's check now...
[20:07] <penguin42> thomas82: You might want to flick through www.fizyka.umk.pl/~jkob/prace-mag/cfs-tuning.pdf
[20:09] <thomas82> penguin42: thanks :) when I clicked on link, I thought that it will be in Polish... would be easier ;D
[20:09] <penguin42> hehe
[20:09] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: but sound is all wacked
[20:09] <BUGabundo> anyone can help me find when where the last kernel upgrades?
[20:10] <BUGabundo> audio drivers are in kernel right?
[20:10] <bjsnider> it sounds like all of it is wacked now, if you mistook it for something that should be thrown against a wall
[20:10] <BUGabundo> I've been audio probs for 3 weeks
[20:10] <BUGabundo> if that matches a kernel upgrade I'll try an older one and test
[20:10] <bjsnider> yeah they're in the kernel i think
[20:10] <thomas82> penguin42: btw. I see that if I got CPU running at 100 % all the time, the first values on the left does not go so high as when the lag is, and the system is very fast anyway.... isn't it strange ?
[20:10] <BUGabundo> let me look at LP
[20:10] <bjsnider> why don't you go talk to an expert?
[20:11] <BUGabundo> I did
[20:11] <BUGabundo> he is way
[20:11] <BUGabundo> I've been trying to talk to crisum for a week
[20:11] <nerdy_kid_> hi; i am trying to upgrade to 10.10 and get the error "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-xkb-utils, probably a dependency cycle." when the upgrade tries to start.
[20:11] <nerdy_kid_> using lucid
[20:11] <bjsnider> what about themuso?
[20:11] <nerdy_kid_> obviously
[20:11] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: in all my years on Ubuntu I've only seen themuso once
[20:12] <bjsnider> well, that takes care of that idea, doesn't it?
[20:12] <BUGabundo> it does
[20:12] <BUGabundo> let me see https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[20:12] <bjsnider> is this related to that video playback problem?
[20:13] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all&arch_tag=amd64
[20:13] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: it is
[20:14] <BUGabundo> if I mute system audio playback goes to almost fine
[20:14] <BUGabundo> just almost
[20:14] <BUGabundo> not 100% but almost
[20:14] <BUGabundo> if I play videos with mplayer -nosound it plays fine
[20:14] <thomas82> penguin42: please take a look at the output of vmstat 1, when CPU is running at 100%
[20:14] <BUGabundo> even shoutcast stream won't work
[20:15] <bjsnider> did you try a new user account?
[20:15] <bjsnider> or a livecd?
[20:16] <BUGabundo> I did not
[20:16] <BUGabundo> I did how ever install audiodev ppa
[20:16] <bjsnider> well, maybe a userland config file is screwing things up
[20:16] <BUGabundo> let me try with Guest users
[20:16] <nerdy_kid_> anyone know how to solve error "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-xkb-utils, probably a dependency cycle." when I do a dist upgrade?
[20:18] <bjsnider> mikebeecham, the plymouth issue is that there is no kernel modesetting driver available from the nvidia corporation. so what you're seeing on boot is exactly correct
[20:18] <mikebeecham> hey bjsnider you remembered me :D
[20:18] <mikebeecham> thanks
[20:19] <mikebeecham> i was back on google just now, so I guess I dont need to search any more
[20:19] <mikebeecham> the question is though...
[20:19] <mikebeecham> on 10.04 I had plymouth, albeit a large 640x480
[20:19] <mikebeecham> but now nothing but text
[20:19] <murlidhar> ok my software-center is not opening :|
[20:19] <murlidhar> unless i put sudo infront of it.
[20:19] <drbobb> hi, i'm trying to install the rc from the alternate image (because i use lvm2 to manage my drive),  but the installer is giving me a garbled screen. what extra parameters could i use to fix that?
[20:20] <murlidhar> so clickin on ubuntu software center in the gnome menu doesn't open anything.
[20:20] <bjsnider> mikebeecham, somebody made that decision, i would just forget about it and go on with life
[20:20] <murlidhar> is it a bug ?
[20:20] <murlidhar> i upgraded to maverick instead of fresh installing it.
[20:20] <mikebeecham> bjsnider, yeah..more important things to think about these days
[20:20] <mikebeecham> thanks for getting back to me
[20:20] <murlidhar> i manually removed the gdebi package too .
[20:21] <murlidhar> but still doesn't work
[20:21] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: doesn't happen in guest session and even VCL plays sound nice
[20:21] <BUGabundo> how can I nuke my userland audio settings ?
[20:22] <drbobb> oh hi BUGabundo
[20:23] <BUGabundo> hey drbobb
[20:23] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, well, well
[20:23] <bjsnider> how about that
[20:24] <bjsnider> you see, you ask the good questions, and i don't have the good answers
[20:24] <penguin42> thomas82: It depends; the number on the left is the number of processes that are ready to go
[20:24] <drbobb> ok guess nobody knows the answer to my q. i'll try trial-and-error then
[20:25] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, there's a .pulse directory...
[20:26] <BUGabundo> $ mv .pulse .pulse_old
[20:27] <BUGabundo> $ pulseaudio -k
[20:27] <BUGabundo> E: main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such process
[20:27] <BUGabundo> bah
[20:27] <bjsnider> why don't you just try logging out and back in now
[20:27] <BUGabundo> cause I've got everyting running on this X
[20:27] <BUGabundo> its still kinda hard to virtualize a X
[20:27] <BUGabundo> :P
[20:28] <bjsnider> service pulseaudio restart?
[20:29] <thomas82> penguin42: I think that the higher number on the left, system should work slower (because of queue and waiting time for CPU time)
[20:30] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, did you ever check htop while you were trying to play sound? i'd like to know what the cpu was doing
[20:30] <penguin42> thomas82: Yes, that's what you would expect
[20:31] <penguin42> thomas82: However, I suspect what you have are sudden bursts of 40 processes turning up all saying they're ready, taking a while to figure out what to do and then carrying on - not sure how
[20:33] <drbobb> ok, i tried video=vga16:off but still no luck
[20:33] <drbobb> what else is there?
[20:36] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: never say bit CPU spikes on my cpu widgets
[20:36] <BUGabundo> not even fan action
[20:40] <BUGabundo> so I got linux-headers-2.6.35-22-generic:amd64 (2.6.35-22.32, 2.6.35-22.33) on 2010-09-20  19:36:57
[20:40] <BUGabundo> that goes around my timeframe for problems
[20:40] <BUGabundo> *even* if they are userspace related
[20:40] <BUGabundo> its a big coincidence
[20:43] <bjsnider> it's still got to be userland if it works in the guest account
[20:45] <BUGabundo> true
[20:46] <thomas82> penguin42: If I'll not get the lag in next 10 minutes I'll be sure that ati crapped drivers causing all that mess in system....
[20:46] <drbobb> hey i wanna install the rc on a lvm volume, but the alternate installer doesn't like my video card, and comes up all garbled. what can i do?
[20:46] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: so far so good
[20:46] <BUGabundo> but I just diffed .pulse and .pulse_old
[20:46] <BUGabundo> and nothing special in there
[20:48] <thomas82> penguin42: Until about 3-4 versions ago, I couldn't record desktop (choppy)... then, then release next version where that was possible... however, then then introduced some 2D problem... now they fixed that, but causing the whole system unstable... ehh... they should die ;P
[20:49] <drbobb> come on folks, seriously - nobody knows?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> no idea dude
[20:49] <BUGabundo> try safe mode graphics?
[20:49] <guntbert> drbobb: did you try to change VTs?
[20:49] <Pici> drbobb: The installer itself is garbled?
[20:50] <drbobb> uhh i'm talking about the alternate, text-mode installer
[20:50] <drbobb> Pici: yeah, as soon as the blue parts come up
[20:50] <Pici> Can you get to another VT?
[20:50] <drbobb> it's all squeezed into a small part of the screen
[20:51] <drbobb> Pici: hmm not tried thatr
[20:51] <Ken8521> has anyone lost the volume applet in notification area?  synaptic says its installed, but i can't figure out how to make it viewable(it was until the last updates this morning)
[20:51] <drbobb> i put on verbose boot messages, and as long as i'm looking at messages from the kernel the screen looks ok
[20:52] <drbobb> bbl
[20:52] <guntbert> drbobb: so was I :-) but Pici asked the same
[20:57] <Ken8521> hmm, restart didn't bring it back
[20:58] <thomas82> penguin42: No way.... its not ati.... it must be kernel.... I've just had an "attack", I've killed all dynamips instances, made a screenshot, then killed gnome-monitor and everything... problem was all the time then suddenly dissapear...
[20:58] <penguin42> thomas82: So file it against the kernel, include the vmstat logs showing when it was happening etc - be a hard one to track down though
[20:59] <thomas82> penguin42: also it looks like not the first value in vmstat is responsible for that, but the value of system cpu usage..
[20:59] <thomas82> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HWignPkD
[20:59] <penguin42> thomas82: The larger that 1st number the harder the scheduler has to work - it has to pick which one to actually run
[21:00] <thomas82> penguin42: just look for those "red bars" in htop... really nice photo :) http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4673/201010051648x921.png
[21:00] <thomas82> also the processes were sorted by cpu
[21:01] <penguin42> thomas82: Pity the system monitor is using about 50% of a core!
[21:02] <thomas82> penguin42: yes, it could then, I made in on purpose... but anyway... 50% of one of 8 threads its not so much ;)
[21:02] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, just had a thought -- maybe that pulse directory had some data corruption?
[21:02] <Ken8521> has anyone lost indicator applet?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> maybe
[21:02] <BUGabundo> but on btrfs ???
[21:02] <BUGabundo> Ken8521: no
[21:02] <thomas82> I made a high refresh rate of system-monitor, but even after I kill it the problem persist..
[21:02] <Ken8521> hmm, i lost it, and synaptic says its still installed
[21:03] <Ken8521> so i tried reinstalling it, no joy, restart, etc.. no joy
[21:03] <Ken8521> notification area is there, becasue my other notification icons are there(network, pidgin, skype, remote desktop, xchat, transmission, etc.)
[21:03] <trism> Ken8521: indicator applet is a separate applet from the notification area
[21:03] <Ken8521> it is?
[21:05] <Ken8521> thats strange... i deleted indicator applet, and restored it, and now the volume is back(fwiw, transmission, which was definitely there.. was also in indicator applet)
[21:06] <thomas82> penguin42: Thanks a lot for being with me in this problem!, I wouldn't be possible to blame Kernel without you! ;D
[21:07] <trism> Ken8521: the libappindicator spec allows for fallback notification area icons if the indicator applet isn't there (that's why sometimes apps will jump between the two, like the ibus applet, depending on how things load)
[21:07] <Ken8521> hmm, thats interesting
[21:07] <trism> Ken8521: but indicator-sound doesn't use libappindicator
[21:07] <Ken8521> i figured since transmission was there, there was no issue w/ it... thanks for your help
[21:10] <sam12345> i'm trying to install Ubuntu 10.10 AMD64 on my i7 but i receive an error during the boot. May I post the screenshot?
[21:11] <sam12345> hello everyone, btw
[21:11] <Ken8521> sam12345, sure if you want to.
[21:11] <sam12345> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57149263/P1040091.JPG
[21:12] <sam12345> already open a ticket on launchpad, too
[21:12] <sam12345> but if you have some ideas...
[21:12] <Ken8521> yeah, looks like some sort of kernel panic.. sorry to say i won't be much help there.
[21:12] <Ken8521> sam12345, maybe try 32bit?
[21:12] <sam12345> i'll try it. anyway with NOACPI and apic=OFF everything is ok
[21:13] <sam12345> but now ill try 32 bit and i will wait a answer from launchpad
[21:13] <sam12345> thank you guys :)
[21:24] <penguin42> sam12345: Ooh you've got that problem!
[21:24] <penguin42> sam12345: What board?
[21:25] <sam12345> penguin42: P55M Pro ASROCK
[21:25] <penguin42> sam12345: Yeh! I'm not the only one with this problem!
[21:25] <sam12345> am I in the shit?
[21:25] <penguin42> sam12345: Welcome to bug 605686
[21:25] <drbobb> Pici: yes i can change VTs once the installer comes up with the garbled screen, but it does no good
[21:25] <penguin42> sam12345: boot with the nointremap option, then it works fine - got the same one here
[21:26] <sam12345> but it will be corrected ?
[21:26] <sam12345> in the stable release
[21:26] <sam12345> because ubuntu 10.04 don't have this problem
[21:26] <penguin42> sam12345: It's a new feature that they turned on in the kernel and it seems to not like this board (that I also have) - if that fixes it can you please subscribe to that bug, say exactly which hardware you have and say it affects you?
[21:27] <sam12345> ok
[21:27] <thomas82> that whole kernel 2.6.35 is sh** :/
[21:27] <sam12345> penguin: do you have the same cpu and motherboard?
[21:28] <penguin42> sam12345: p7-i860 on ASRock P55 Pro
[21:28] <sam12345> i've tried with NOAPIC and ACPI = OFF and everything was ok
[21:29] <penguin42> sam12345: Yeh, turning the apic off also works, I think the nointremap is the minimum change
[21:29] <sam12345> thomas82: yeah. it's a shit. hope in 2.6.36 :)
[21:29] <IdleOne> !language | sam12345
[21:29] <drbobb> btw it's a disappointment that after so many years, the live cd still has no support for LVM
[21:30] <sam12345> penguin42: what is it this remap?
[21:30] <penguin42> sam12345: It's not actually 2.6.35 that's the problem; it's the fact that a new feature (which is in .35 and I think earlier) is now turned on in the config
[21:31] <penguin42> sam12345: It's something to do with virtualisation and routing interrupt requests; but with nointremap everything seems to work (including KVM)
[21:31] <sam12345> maybe disabling the Vanderpool in bios?
[21:32] <thomas82> ehhh.. When I just wrote some true about that kernel, I've received an immediate lag... The only programs when I've got running are: vmstat 1, xchat, and htop..... its look like too much for  i7 @920 + 9GB ram :P
[21:32] <penguin42> sam12345: Dunno, anyway that fix works
[21:33] <drbobb> so any idea on how to use the alternate cd, if the newt installer frontend is not playing nice with my video?
[21:33] <drbobb> any other undocumented switches i could use?
[21:33] <penguin42> sam12345: Please subscribe to that bug - it's better that there are a few of us with the same problem; I reckon the kernel could be changed to try and fall back in the type of cases we have - I think the problem is really a broken BIOS on these boards
[21:33] <sam12345> already done
[21:35] <sam12345> penguin42: have you try to search a newer bios in asrock site?
[21:35] <penguin42> sam12345: No, I haven't tried - everything else seemed to work!
[21:36] <penguin42> sam12345: If you do   sudo dmidecode | more   what is the version that is shown near the top - mine says Version: P1.50 Release Date: 09/10/2009
[21:38] <penguin42> sam12345: I'm surprised there aren't more of us with that problem; it was a really popular board when I got it - cheap and with every expansion feature on
[21:39] <sam12345> mine is older 	Version: P1.30	Release Date: 08/31/2009
[21:40] <drbobb> no ideas? really?
[21:41] <Ken8521> sam12345, a bios upgrade is not to be taken likely.
[21:41] <Ken8521> make sure you know the risks.
[21:42] <sam12345> Ken8521: i know. ;)
[21:42] <Ken8521> ok
[21:42] <sam12345> let's wait an answer from ubuntu team :)
[21:47] <penguin42> problem is I don't think that will get fixed in the release :-(
[21:48] <Ken8521> you know something i realized today, i don't like hme on a separate partition, but i only have 2-3 programs that i really need to back up the configuration files for... so it was easier to just copy those /.program files, to my backup, and move them back after a clean install.
[22:07] <drbobb> hey what's up with the installer error 'failed to determine codename for the release'? how could I work around it?
[22:08] <jacobw> is anyone using libdvdcss2 on Maverick?
[22:08] <jacobw> i can't play a css'
[22:08] <jacobw> sorry..
[22:09] <jacobw> i can't play a CSS'd DVD on Maverick using the Lucid libdvdcss2 deb from Medibuntu, so i suspect a libdvdcss2 problem
[22:09] <drbobb> btw my screen-garbled-in-installer issue was solved by passing the boot arg fb=false, in case anyone is wondering
[22:16] <Pr070cal> hi im unable to login to any site eg. facebook, o2 with both chrome and firefox ??
[22:17] <penguin42> Pr070cal: Does any networking work?
[22:18] <Pr070cal> yep
[22:18] <Pr070cal> all browsing works just php and http login pages timeout
[22:19] <penguin42> Pr070cal: Can you login to the ubuntu sites?
[22:19] <Pr070cal> i dont have login
[22:20] <Pr070cal> anyone else have this problem in running 64bit
[22:21] <penguin42> Pr070cal: 64bit is fine for me
[22:22] <Pr070cal> hmm not sure why its not working
[22:23] <Pr070cal> i removed firefox before installing chrome but wouldnt of thought it would make a difference, dont think theres any other packages
[22:27] <Pr070cal> also is the opengl nvidia drivers working i get no signal from my screen and xorg.conf is pretty empty
[22:27] <penguin42> I have both installed
[22:27] <penguin42> both firefox and chrome I mean
[22:28] <Pr070cal> yea no login in pages load just tried google.com signin
[22:29] <penguin42> that's very very odd
[22:30] <Pr070cal> yep
[22:30] <penguin42> Pr070cal: Can you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[22:30] <Linuturk> I have a strange networking issue. When I connect to the wired network at my office, I have total access to all local network resources. Anything past the firewall at 192.168.1.1 is not accessable. DNS resolves, but any traffic I try to send past the gateway doesn't work. Until I ping the firewall. After I ping the firewall, traffic flows for a short time, and then cuts off again.
[22:31] <Linuturk> This was not happening before I installed Ubuntu on this machine (Fedora was prior), and, the 100 or so workstations on the same network do not have this issue.
[22:32] <jacobw> i've narrowed my DVD playing problem to Totem by installing VLC
[22:32] <jacobw> so.. has anyone else had any problems with playing DVD using Totem on Maverick?
[22:34] <penguin42> Linuturk: Have you somehow given the machine the same IP as one of the other machines on the network?
[22:34] <Linuturk> penguin42: no. the dhcp lease was giving to my machine only.
[22:35] <penguin42> Linuturk: OK, it's just it feels like the type of problem you would get from an IP clash
[22:35] <Linuturk> crap
[22:35] <Linuturk> wait
[22:35] <Linuturk> I shouldn't be able to ping that . . .
[22:35] <penguin42> now there is something you don't hear often
[22:35] <Pr070cal> is nvidia glx working
[22:35] <Linuturk> lol
[22:35] <rusivi> jacobw I have been in your situation before, the solution was to use VLC
[22:36] <jacobw> is it possible for me to run any tests that might help? i'm thining about using a debugger, but i'm a software expert so i'd need pointing the right direction
[22:36] <Pr070cal> no bugs.launchpad
[22:36] <jacobw> o/ rusivi
[22:36] <penguin42> Pr070cal: How is your network connection setup? It almost sounds like something is blocking https connections
[22:36] <jacobw> Pr070cal: me?
[22:37] <jacobw> yes i think you might be right
[22:38] <head_victim> jacobw: have you installed the required packages for DVD playback and does DVD playback work with other players on the same PC?
[22:38] <sburwood> I've two computers, a portable EEE PC 1005HA and an old Pentium 4 at 2.4G and AGP and the like.  Will (not could, but will) Maverick work on those computers?  What advantage would I get from installing Maverick on them?
[22:39] <head_victim> sburwood: I have maverick on a 2.4 celeron with an agp video card. It runs as well as it can for a PC of it's age and a modern OS. I find things like using sfce helps.
[22:39] <head_victim> sburwood: not sure about the asus eee, never had one to play with
[22:39] <jacobw> head_victim: oh.. oh.. oh.. i am a fool
[22:39] <sburwood> head_victim: What is sfce?
[22:40] <jacobw> head_victim: i have not installed ubuntu restricted extras
[22:40] <scott_ino> sburwood, thinks he mean xfce ')
[22:40] <Linuturk> penguin42: I think you might be right . . .
[22:40] <head_victim> sburwood: xfce sorry, hands are tired.
[22:40] <head_victim> jacobw: happens to the best of us.
[22:40] <Linuturk> jeeze, what a stupid problem
[22:40] <Linuturk> arg
[22:40] <head_victim> Linuturk: don't feel too bad, I once got an RMA for a 24 port gigabit switch and then 5 minutes later I realised I had 4 devices trying to fight over one ip
[22:41]  * Linuturk wonders what is getting that IP address on this network . . . 
[22:42] <rusivi> sburwood: One link you may want to check out for resource constrained installs is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Minimal%20installations
[22:42] <penguin42> Linuturk: When you ping the gateway it starts using your mac address for your IP until the other guy does the same
[22:42] <sburwood> is it like lxde?
[22:42] <penguin42> Linuturk: Classic symptom
[22:42] <Linuturk> penguin42: tips on finding the cuplrit?
[22:42] <Linuturk> culprit*?
[22:43] <head_victim> sburwood: yeah there's icewm, xfce, lxde, fluxbox, try them until you find the one that has the combination of usability and speed you like.
[22:43] <penguin42> Linuturk: Switch that machine off, and do arp -an and find which mac address is claiming that IP
[22:43] <sburwood> I've been using lxde for some time with Lucid, but I just wanted to know whether that would change in Maverick
[22:44] <Linuturk> got the mac
[22:44] <head_victim> sburwood: if you're comfortable with it I'd stick with it. I didn't notice a large difference in hardware consumption between lucid to maverick.
[22:44] <sburwood> head_victim: thanks
[22:44] <head_victim> sburwood: happy to help mate
[22:45] <sburwood> head_victim: and for the question of stability and such, Maverick is good?
[22:45] <head_victim> sburwood: I'm not what you'd call a "heavy" user, more an "end user" but I've found it to be reasonable
[22:46] <Linuturk> penguin42: got the mac
[22:46] <sburwood> I'm not a video editing nut either.  Openoffice, different things to watch films and listen to music and such.  Not a guy who needs a quad core, or like that for gaming
[22:47] <sburwood> good night for anyone who's going to sleep.  I'm going there immediately
[22:47] <sburwood> bye
[22:47] <head_victim> sburwood: night
[22:47] <sburwood> and again thx for the help
[22:47] <penguin42> Linuturk: Now if you're lucky your switches are smart switches and you can ask which port that MAC is on - right?
[22:48] <skyburner> hi
[22:48] <pope_> if anyone has time, i need some help trying to figure out how to deal with untrusted resources.  how do i trust the resources for all the packages that need to be updated for RC1
[22:48] <Linuturk> penguin42: even better. a zenmap tells me this is a polycom phone, and I can figure out which it is via the mac alone
[22:48] <skyburner> http://wwww.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1507489 need that kernelpatch for maverick
[22:48] <Linuturk> thanks penguin42
[22:48] <skyburner> tried to build a patched kernel by my own ... after hours of kernelbuildtv it ended all in an uuups
[22:48] <penguin42> Linuturk: Haha, good one, hadn't thought to blame a phone
[22:48] <Linuturk> me either
[22:48] <Linuturk> lol
[22:49] <Linuturk> it makes sense though. I was seeing asterisk messages from my wireshark sessions earlier.
[22:49] <skyburner> i had my t91mt working with multitouch under lucid but well... i gave experimental a try
[22:51] <Linuturk> I guess the phone hasn't renewed it's dhcp in a while . . . time to reboot the sucker
[23:17] <BUGabundo> YAY apport now works with PPAs :D woot
[23:19] <Pr070cal> can someone help me get the nvidia drivers working plz
[23:20] <IAmNotThatGuy> !ask | Pr070cal
[23:20] <IAmNotThatGuy> I mean elaborate your issue
[23:21] <Pr070cal> is nvidia gl driver working ?
[23:22] <Pr070cal> i get no signal on screen
[23:22] <Pr070cal> and xorg.conf has no resolutions or refresh rates in
[23:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> Pr070cal: your RC live CD looked good?
[23:22] <Pr070cal> i have to reboot with failsafe
[23:23] <Pr070cal> yeah but that doesnt use glx
[23:23] <krabador> where i can look at changes between daily live cds?
[23:24] <Pr070cal> its only nividia glx driver standard nv works fine at1366x768
[23:25] <yofel> BUGabundo: not in general, but you can tell it to work anyway for specific packages
[23:26] <Pr070cal> had no problems before with glx driver
[23:29] <mwm> can anyone confirm this nautilus feature on ubuntu 10.10 » when renaming a file, it selects the whole filename (name+extension) instead of just name
[23:33] <penguin42> mwm: No
[23:34] <penguin42> mwm: I just did it on mine and it highlighted the name but not the extension
[23:34] <mwm> are you on 10.10?
[23:34] <mwm> that's very weird
[23:35] <BUGabundo> yofel: as long as I can keep the log offline, I can add it to ANY bug, in ANY bug tracker
[23:35] <BUGabundo> WIN
[23:56] <ledbettj> Anyone have any suggestions for troubleshooting Unity on Maverick?  This is what I get on my laptop after logging in to a Unity session: http://yfrog.com/0kscreenshotbyj (note the blue smudges where the UI should be and the gray/white rectangle that shows up on hovering)