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chrisccoulsonright, bed time for me!01:26
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pittiGood morning07:33
pittianmar: yes, that's known; we had to disable hard drive spindown because it caused too many problems on many hardware07:34
didrocksgood morning07:40
dpmmorning didrocks07:43
TheMusoHey pitti, didrocks.07:43
didrockshey dpm, TheMuso07:46
aradidrocks, is robert on holidays?08:17
aradidrocks, morning, btw :)08:17
didrocksara: yeah, robert is on holidays (I think it's his last and 4th week ;))08:24
didrocksmorning ara, how are you?08:24
aradidrocks, I am good, thanks08:25
aradidrocks, do you know who's taking care in his absence of simple scan?08:25
aradidrocks, it is crashing for me in a reproducible way 100% of the times I scan a photo08:25
didrocksara: well, the desktop team, do you think there are some annoying bug there?08:26
didrocksurgh08:26
aradidrocks, I am uploading now the crash report08:26
didrocksI tried less than 20 days ago without any glitch08:26
didrocksara: ok, I'll try to have a look within the day08:26
didrocksara: can you just point me to the bug report?08:26
didrocks(once uploaded)08:26
aradidrocks, sure, once I finish uploading the report ;-)08:26
arahehe08:27
didrocksgreat, thanks ara :-)08:27
mvofwiw it seems to work for me (scanning with simple-scan)08:41
mvodidrocks: 4 weeks?08:41
* mvo moves to .au08:41
didrocksmv mvo .au08:42
didrocksdone \o/08:42
nigelbdidrocks: haha08:43
didrocks(not sure if that will work and if he can ask now to robbie "can I have 4 weeks of holidays now? ;))08:44
mvodidrocks: he will not find me anymore unless he uses ls -a08:44
didrocksmvo: hehe, good catch! :-) as long as they still see you for the pay ;)08:45
mvo*weeeeeh* indeed08:45
aradidrocks, I haven't forgotten about you. I am just upgrading my maverick installation to see if that fixes it (simple scan was latest, but not some of their dependencies)09:02
didrocksara: no worry. I have enough to do right now ;) take your time!09:03
jiangasac: ping, in patch 40_xres_lcddefault.patch from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/+bug/271283, I think you should use lcdnone instead of none, otherwise FcNameConstant will return 5 instead of 009:09
ubot2Launchpad bug 271283 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 4 other projects) "[ooo-build] OpenOffice.org subpixel font rendering broken with new cairo (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Fix released]09:09
seb128hello09:16
Cimihi09:18
aramorning seb12809:18
seb128hello Cimi, ara09:19
pittihey seb12809:22
seb128hello pitti09:22
seb128how are you?09:22
pittiI'm great, thanks! cold is gone, and so is the rain :)09:22
pittilooking forward to Sunday09:23
pittiif it wasn't for bug 640807, it'd be a perfect release :)09:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 640807 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "automatic xrandr module misconfigures monitors (affects: 13) (dups: 3) (heat: 54)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64080709:23
pittiseb128: how are you?09:23
seb128I'm fine thanks09:24
seb128seems people do noise about this one for some reasons09:24
pittiregardless of how we set that external_monitors gconf key, it's always screwing up something09:24
pittiit should really just keep its hands off xrandr unless there's a configuration09:25
pitti(and if for nothing else, then for getting back to the faster boot that we had in lucid)09:25
seb128it's quite easy09:25
seb128see my comments09:25
seb128it's just a matter to add a gconf key09:26
seb128well a gconf key and one line in the code to check for it09:26
baptistemmhi there09:26
seb128lut baptistemm09:26
baptistemmI guess bug 654768 is a duplicate ?09:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 654768 in xorg (Ubuntu) "GTK+ artefact in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65476809:27
pittiseb128: but what I'm wondering about is why this wasn't in lucid09:27
seb128pitti, because federico added a way to force modes09:27
seb128we discussed it on #ubuntu-x on friday with him09:27
pittiseb128: by the changelog description this would be http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=5800925a383d6498bd4281a7eebe0fc39be640b709:27
seb128he said basically he doesn't trust xorg to get things right09:27
pittiso he's calling X.org to fix it??09:28
seb128he's not09:28
pittibut that commit shouldn't have changed the "set default configuration" behaviour, or am I missing something?09:28
seb128you are missing something09:28
seb128one sec09:28
pittihm, but in a KMS world, the last thing we want to do is to introduce even more mode changes and detections?09:28
seb128http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/log/?h=randr-set-as-default09:28
seb128basically09:28
seb128http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=randr-set-as-default&id=67958ef6faab5797d5c5ad939db36f393706984a09:29
seb128is the commit where he added those new keys09:29
pittiah09:29
seb128seems it was an oem request at novell09:29
seb128to be able to force monitors in a state09:29
seb128which is why he did this change09:29
pittiseb128: i. e. we want to disable apply_default_boot_configuration() call?09:29
pitti(if we don't have a system-wide or per-user config)09:30
seb128did you read my comment in the bug?09:30
seb128I copied what federico said on IRC09:30
seb128with the codepath to patch09:30
pittiah, ok; I'm only half through09:30
* pitti reads the rest09:30
seb128read my comments from yesterday09:30
pittiI just don't understand his rationale that "don't touch xrandr" is the special case09:31
didrocksgood morning pitti :)09:31
pittiit should be the default case, and touching xrandr would be to apply workarounds for broken situations09:31
pittihey didrocks09:31
seb128pitti, he said basically that he doesn't trust xorg to be agile enough on bug fixing09:32
pittiseb128: so, adding a gconf key would work for that09:32
seb128ie he said it's much easier to patch g-s-d to get things right when needed than to wait for xorg or driver to be updated09:32
seb128I don't really share his view09:32
seb128but he's fine adding the key09:32
pittime neither09:32
pittiok, that sounds like a good compromise09:32
seb128then what the default is is a distributor choice09:32
pittiwell, I don't think that yet another gconf key is the right solution (I'd prefer just testing the existence of a configuration file), but it's "good enough" IMHO09:33
seb128well then you drop the possibility for oems to force the monitors setting by gconf09:35
seb128not sure why they wanted that09:35
seb128he said hp wanted the external display to be forced off by default09:35
pittii. e. "we want broken docking stations with Linux"09:35
seb128well I don't feel we should deprecated upstream keys in a distro patch09:36
pittiI really wish we had reliable lid detection on startup09:36
seb128we should just add this new key which make that behaviour off by default09:36
pittiseb128: I agree09:36
pittithat's even something we could still push into maverick09:36
seb128since federico said he would accept the patch upstream09:37
seb128pitti, do you want to do it?09:37
pittiseb128: I can spend an hour or two on it, yes09:37
pittithere's no upstream bug for this one yet, right?09:37
seb128pitti, that would be great, I've some paperwork I need to finish now09:38
seb128pitti, no there is not09:38
pittiok, doing09:38
seb128pitti, it should be less than an hour, I've pointed the code concerned in the bug09:38
seb128it should just be a matter to add a gconf key and test it there09:38
seb128well maybe with build and testing one hour ;-)09:38
* seb128 hugs pitti09:39
jonoseb128, quick q - any idea how I can disable the evolution light version in the netbook edition and just use the regular evo?09:39
jonowhenever I start it in unity I get the light evo09:39
seb128didrocks, ^09:39
seb128remove the launcher, start evolution and add it to the config?09:39
jonohmm I tried that and it seemed to reset09:39
seb128just guessing, didrocks did the work to use the express one in UNE09:40
seb128ok, so wait for didrocks09:40
jonothanks seb128!09:41
seb128yw ;-)09:41
didrocksjono: so, just close all evo instances09:42
jonodidrocks, right09:43
didrocksjono: then, start it from the messaging menu (as XDG_DATA_PATH isn't set for that one)09:43
jonodidrocks, aha!09:43
didrocksjono: for the launcher, you can workaround this09:43
jonodidrocks, oh?09:43
didrocksjono: but I guess it will first try to run the express mode :)09:43
didrocksand you will loose the goodness of banshee netbook mode too09:44
jonodidrocks, yeah, I tried to run the regular evo and add it to the launcher and it still runs the express mode09:44
didrocks(and make me sad of course :p)09:44
jonohehe09:44
didrocksright09:44
jonoalso, I am noticing that autocomplete in evo seems to have stopped working09:44
seb128the autocomplete?09:44
jonoseb128, when entering the recipient in the TO field09:45
didrocksso, for workaround it in the launcher, and the application places and such, just edit: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xdg_path-on-session and comment the part related to XDG_DATA_DIRS09:45
seb128jono, works there09:45
seb128we didn't get any bug about that yet09:45
didrocksin the express mode or full one?09:45
jonoseb128, I just noticed now, just testing09:45
seb128did you select the contact list you use in the preferences?09:46
seb128ie, edit, preferences, contacts09:46
seb128you need to check the one you use09:46
jonoseb128, hmmm it seems that all my contacts have vanished in evo09:46
jonowhich is slightly concerning09:46
seb128try to evolution --force-shutdown09:47
jono"This address book cannot be opened.  This either means that an incorrect URI was entered, or the server is unreachable."09:47
seb128then restart it09:47
jonotrying09:47
jonoseb128, same bug09:48
jonoI will file a bug now09:48
seb128do you use local contacts?09:48
seb128or do you have those in desktopcouch or something?09:49
jonoseb128, I use UbuntuOne for my contacts09:49
seb128talk to rodrigo_ then I guess09:50
seb128desktop doesn't take responsability for desktopcouch issues ;-)09:50
seb128you might want to open your bug directly on evolution-couchdb09:51
jonoseb128, no worries :-)09:51
didrocksyeah, desktopcouch is still broken for a lot of people and not everyone has data sync09:51
didrocksjono: did you read my workaround for getting match to regular evolution?09:51
jonodidrocks, yep, all good thanks :)09:51
didrocksjono: once that done, just restart the session and it will be good :)09:52
didrocksyw09:52
seb128pitti, I don't think use_boot_time_configuration speaks to users09:58
pittiseb128: that's the hardest part -- naming the key09:59
seb128;-)09:59
pitti                <short>Set default monitor configuration</short>09:59
pitti                <long>Configure internal and external monitors according to the09:59
pitti                    turn_on_external_monitors_at_startup and09:59
pitti                    turn_on_laptop_monitor_at_startup settings and determine09:59
pitti                    appropriate cloning/side-by-side mode. If this is False,09:59
pitti                    the monitor settings are not touched at all.09:59
pitti                </long>09:59
seb128he suggested a "do-not-touch" sort of name09:59
pittithat's what I just made up as description, WDYT?09:59
pittido you know what he meant by that?09:59
seb128it's clear I like it09:59
seb128well something like "do-not-set-any-config"10:00
pittiI interpreted that as a key semantics he wanted "do not touch the curretn configuration'10:00
seb128or "let-xorg-do-the-work"10:00
pittiah, this way around10:00
pittiuse_xorg_monitor_settings10:00
pitti?10:00
pittidont_configure_monitors10:00
pitti?10:00
* pitti doesn't like negated names, though, and they aren't common10:01
seb128use_xorg_monitor_settings seems fine to me10:02
pittiokay, merci10:03
pittifollowed up to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63138810:04
ubot2Gnome bug 631388 in plugins "Add gconf key to disable automatic xrandr settings without conf files" [Normal,Unconfirmed]10:04
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone10:04
seb128"If this is False,10:04
seb128                     the monitor settings are not touched at all"10:04
seb128not sure if we should add "and there is no xml configuration"10:04
seb128well that's only a gconf key so let's not bother10:05
seb128hey chrisccoulson10:05
seb128how are you?10:05
pittiyes, I'm rewriting the description for the negated semantics now10:05
pittihey chrisccoulson10:05
chrisccoulsoni'm good thanks seb128, how are you?10:05
chrisccoulsonhey pitti, how are you too?10:05
seb128I'm fine10:05
pittiI'm great, thanks10:05
seb128pitti, I've no strong opinion either way for the key semantic and reading again what federico said it seemed it doesn't either10:07
seb128just pick one get the patch in this way10:08
pittiseb128: I take it Frederico wants this on by default10:08
seb128well that's what the last line from the IRC log suggests10:08
pittiseb128: he wants it to be "False" by default, i. e. apply the gsd settings by default10:08
pittithus it means he wants it to have the "use xorg settings" semantics10:08
seb128"leaning toward a do-not-touch kind of name now, with10:09
seb128False by default - if you need to make it True, it means that you have a10:09
seb128special case due to your X setup anyway"10:09
pittiright, I think the "special case" is when you need the gsd logic, but that's where we apparently disagree10:09
seb128well the "special case" is misleading10:09
baptistemmRAOF: didrocks suggested me to me you about bug 65476810:09
ubot2Launchpad bug 654768 in xorg (Ubuntu) "GTK+ artefact in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65476810:09
pittibut I'd rather hhave a high probability of having this key name being accepted upstream10:09
seb128yes, he thinks that's cases where g-s-d get it wrong are special cases10:10
pittiokay10:10
seb128like the first on the bug is using nvidia drivers and the monitor has a buggy EDID10:10
pittiand I have two monitors with different resolutions10:10
seb128well I'm not sure your case is a bug10:11
rodrigo_jono, having problems with desktopcouch?10:11
pittiwell, gdm switches from 1280x1024 to 1024x768, and my sessio back to 128010:11
pittiI consider this a bug10:11
seb128your session has 1280 because you have a stored config10:11
pittitwo unnecessary mode swtiches, flicker, and slow boot10:11
seb128it would be interesting to know why it prefers 1024 though10:12
seb128I get a lower resolution there on the external monitor but that was already the case in lucid10:12
jonorodrigo_, yeah, you saw that bug?10:12
seb128that's because it sets the screen in mirror by default10:12
seb128so the external monitor get the laptop config10:12
rodrigo_jono, no, looking10:13
seb128lid closed doesn't make a difference because lid status detection is not something working10:13
dpmhi everyone. While testing the final maverick language packs, I've noticed that the gnome-language-selector translations are missing (bug 654548). Would it be possible to do a new upload of language-selector including an export of LP translations and bypassing pkgbinarymangler's translation-stripping part? It would be a workaround, but this way we'd have a translated language-selector without the need of new language packs.10:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 654548 in ubuntu-translations "Language selector translation is missing from the final Maverick language packs (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65454810:14
jonorodrigo_, evo basically won't load my U1 address book10:14
seb128dpm, did you figure why the translations are not in the current export?10:15
dpmseb128, no, not yet, I have to check out the export tarballs first10:16
dpmtarball10:16
seb128dpm, you might want to ask on #ubuntu-release for whether we can still get an upload with the translations from launchpad10:17
seb128it's getting late10:17
dpmseb128, ok, good point, will do that, thanks10:17
rodrigo_jono, yeah, I've seen it, desktopcouch having problems with credentials it seems10:17
jonorodrigo_, ahhh10:19
jonoit seemed the bug priority was pretty low10:19
didrocksseb128: do you know some duplicate reports about bug #641102 ? It seems some people are getting it in the french community. I can't confirm it10:21
ubot2Launchpad bug 641102 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Desktop is frozen after login on battery (msi u210) (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64110210:21
seb128no10:22
rodrigo_jono, see my comment on the bug10:23
didrocksok, if we don't get duplicates, seems to be related to that hw then. Thanks10:23
seb128well I'm not sure where those duplicates would get open10:23
didrocksyeah, can be other assigned to a lot of gnome components depending on what the user think, right :) but if you didn't read any others, I think that's already a clue it's not a widely spread one10:25
sabdflCimi: hi10:32
pittihey sabdfl, how are you?10:37
sabdflpitti: good thanks, enjoying UIST 2010 in NYC with oubiwann-away and johnlea10:37
pittiyou're up early then10:37
pittiseb128: hah, now maverick is a work of perfection -- gdm unbroken :)10:38
seb128pitti, ;-)10:38
seb128pitti, btw did you investigate what change in start time between lucid and maverick out of that one?10:39
pittiseb128: 5 seconds is due to me changing my swap partition10:39
pittithis causes the "resume" and "wait-for-root" initramfs scripts to wait for 5 secs10:39
pittiseb128: about two seconds was for the extra mode switch10:39
pittiI haven't looked at the other bits yet10:40
pittiI'll just reinstall this machine with the final maverick candidates anyway10:40
seb128pitti, can you join #ubuntu-release?10:42
pittiseb128: done10:43
seb128pitti, danke10:44
slomodidrocks: your banshee empty-library-notification patch is wrong, it also shows the notification if your search doesn't give any results10:47
didrocksslomo: right, I know. I didn't have the time to polish this unfortunately and I don't know enough of banshee internals to strip that case. patch welcomed (or I can talk to bertrand when he got some time) :)10:48
pittiseb128: bug 640807 updated with the patch links -- would you mind eyeballing this and add your signoff to the bug?10:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 640807 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "automatic xrandr module misconfigures monitors (affects: 13) (dups: 3) (heat: 54)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64080710:49
slomodidrocks: ok, maybe drop that patch then? that's more confusing than an empty library imho :P10:50
seb128pitti, reviewing it10:50
didrocksslomo: the empty library is really confusing in the case of the netbook ui10:51
didrocksslomo: and also, it seems that you are making a search on something you don't have, then, I can make sense to tell "you can drop your music there…"10:51
slomodidrocks: well, it was a typo.. but yes, it could make sense but for a search without results a different message would be better :)10:53
didrocksslomo: I agree. I'm hoping someone to step on that or having some time next week10:53
didrocksbut I have to look at banshee factory for that10:53
seb128pitti, isn't the check reversed?10:55
seb128pitti, no ignore me10:55
seb128pitti, seems fine to me, +110:55
pittiseb128: no, !use_xorg == use_my_own_logic10:55
seb128right ;-)10:56
seb128urg, suck, I delete my gpg key on this box by error10:58
seb128can some upload language-selector with a "export NO_PKG_MANGLE=1"10:59
seb128in the rules?10:59
seb128pitti, chrisccoulson: ^10:59
pittican do10:59
seb128I suck, I managed to delete my gpg dir10:59
pittiseb128: does this have a bug already?10:59
seb128I will fetch a backup over lunch11:00
pittiseb128: ouch -- do you have a backup of your key?11:00
pitti*phew*11:00
seb128pitti, bug #65454811:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 654548 in ubuntu-translations "Language selector translation is missing from the final Maverick language packs (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65454811:00
seb128pitti, yes ;-)11:00
seb128though in any case it would not be the end of the world, I really need to do a new key11:00
seb128mine is 10 years old11:00
seb128it's on old standards11:01
pittiseb128: g-s-d uploaded, but I can't self-approve it11:04
seb128I guess cjwatson can review it for us?11:05
chrisccoulsonhi seb128, sorry, i went to make tea11:05
chrisccoulsonbefore realising my kettle has died ;)11:05
seb128you stopped drinking coffee?11:06
seb128chrisccoulson, no worry, pitti is on it ;-)11:06
pittino, I'm not11:06
pittiI can't fix chrisccoulson's kettle!11:07
chrisccoulsonlol11:07
seb128you should!11:07
seb128;-)11:07
chrisccoulsoni think i should make some coffee instead ;)11:07
pitti<jedi wave>this is not the beverage you are looking for11:07
seb128well he was not apparently but the kettle broke11:07
seb128somewhat the universe wants him to drink coffee11:08
seb128;-)11:08
chrisccoulsonheh :)11:08
seb128brb session restart11:14
pittirickspencer3: hey, good morning11:16
pittiseb128: yay, gsd got accepted11:17
seb128rickspencer3, hey11:17
pittimaverick -> perfection \o/11:17
seb128pitti, waouh, you rock, thanks a lot11:17
* seb128 hugs pitti11:17
pittimy pleasure11:17
pittiit was nagging me anyway11:17
didrockshey rickspencer311:17
seb128rickspencer3, how is London? are you in the office yet?11:18
ftais there a way to make evolution go offline/online from the outside? (i mean, a dbus signal or something)?11:31
aradidrocks, launchpad guys are having a look to the 502 issue11:38
aradidrocks, in the mean time, you may want to have a look to the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/simple-scan/+bug/65503011:39
ubot2Launchpad bug 655030 in simple-scan (Ubuntu) "Simple Scan is crashing when scanning in Photo quality (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]11:39
aradidrocks, in the body I explain how to reproduce it (or at least, how I reproduce it)11:39
didrocksara: ok, the only issue is that I've there only one scanner not compatible with ubuntu and mine is packed in a box. chrisccoulson do you have one handy, to confirm the crash? :)11:41
didrocksI can maybe just play with the trace, but it will be easier from someone which can reproduce it11:42
didrockswho*11:42
chrisccoulsondidrocks - yeah, i've got a huge scanner here11:42
didrockshuge? :)11:42
arachrisccoulson, so it is bug 655030 if you can have a look :)11:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 655030 in simple-scan (Ubuntu) "Simple Scan is crashing when scanning in Photo quality (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65503011:44
chrisccoulsondidrocks - yeah, i've got one of these: http://tinyurl.com/38688yf11:44
chrisccoulsonit's massive ;)11:44
chrisccoulsonara - ok, i'll see if i can recreate it11:44
arawow! that wouldn't fit in my 50m2 apartment11:44
didrockschrisccoulson: waow, are you opening a shop? :-) thanks!11:44
didrocksduring a firefox compilation, we know now what you are doing! :-)11:45
chrisccoulsonlol11:45
Cimidavidbarth: we have sabdfl's approval for the merge of my branch11:48
Cimidavidbarth: I've spoken with daniel forè too, but he is doing things in the right way11:49
Cimiso, the right behaviour is with some padding as we have now11:49
ararickspencer3, hello!11:49
rickspencer3hi ara, didrocks, seb128 .... you may be shocked to learn I am in a meeting :/11:50
sabdflbad habit, that11:50
ararickspencer3, whenever you're free during the day, I would like to have a quick chat with you11:51
ara(if you ever have some spare moment during the day)11:51
chrisccoulsonhmmm, simple-scan doesn't scan anything from my scanner in maverick11:51
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didrocksok, crashed once again11:56
davidbarthCimi: ok, but that breaks with the additional application launchers at the bottom of the menu11:57
davidbarthCimi: so for those, there should be some extra -panel versions, at least the ones we know will be used in this context11:58
davidbarthCimi: said -panel versions would have the extra padding, it that ends up being the right/standardized way of arranging icons layout11:59
Cimidavidbarth: sabdfl is ok with the triangle touching the icon12:02
sabdflmore than OK, that was the intention, a la the Unity launcher12:02
Cimidavidbarth: I've shown him the screenshots12:02
Cimiso go and merge my branch man! :P12:03
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davidbarthCimi: hold on, which screenshot was approved? because i need to trace that back to the right branch and double check the values12:07
Cimidavidbarth: mines and yours12:07
davidbarthCimi: we tried a few combinations with 4 or 5 pixel width and chaotic was mentioning that the 4 pix. version was too small, while the 5 pix. one had the triangle too close12:07
Cimiyour with conv oo12:07
Cimiyes12:07
Cimisabdfl: tell davidbarth you like the triangle touching the icon here: http://imagebin.org/11694312:08
Cimihe doesn't trust me :)12:08
davidbarthCimi: ah, thanks for the link12:14
Cimidavidbarth: having a server with an always-on connection to irc helps a lot ;)12:15
davidbarthCimi: ok, so it's your branch, without changes; great12:15
=== Guest3755 is now known as jbache
Cimijbache: the issue with qt and light-themes was fixed12:18
Cimiso, cool and thanks for your work12:18
jbacheCimi: I noticed after I updated to 10.10. Cool to have it resolved so fast12:19
Cimithat's because you were fast ;)12:19
Cimicommunication with upstream developers is really important, ehehe seb128 :-P12:20
jbacheCimi: we are looking into the font issue as well But that will have to wait for the next cycle12:20
Cimijbache: font issue? which one?12:20
jbacheCimi: the hint style in Qt doesnt allways match Gtk+. It has been bugging me for a while. Especially if you play around with font settings.12:21
jbacheCimi: Patch is difficult as in order for Qt to do what Gtk does, we have to sacrifice font-specific hint-settings. (i.e use xconfig). Hopefully we can find some sort of compromise12:22
Cimijbache: it's impossible for you to ask the engine to draw the layout?12:23
jbacheCimi: No font rendering is not done by the theme engine. We use the same way to draw fonts but Qt and Gtk are using different ways of interpreting your settings.12:24
Cimiok12:25
sabdflCimi: yes, i'm happy with it in both ambiance and radiance12:25
Cimidavidbarth: ^^12:26
davidbarthsabdfl, Cimi: ok, thanks; i've approved the branch now12:27
Cimisupercool, thanks12:29
=== al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away
seb128hum13:14
seb128mvo, !!!13:14
seb128$ apt-cache rdepends libglade213:14
seb128E: Handler silently failed13:14
seb128ok, somewhat my fault for using the wrong binary name :p13:15
seb128but the message is not great either ;-)13:15
mdeslaurseb128: LP: #64704513:17
seb128bug #64704513:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 647045 in apt (Ubuntu) "[maverick] apt-cache rdepends returns cryptic error message (affects: 1) (heat: 581)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64704513:18
seb128hey mdeslaur btw13:18
seb128thanks ;-)13:18
mvothanks seb128 and mdeslaur13:18
mvoseb128: and don't use !!! in the release week, I almost had a heart attack ;)13:18
seb128lol13:18
* seb128 hugs mvo13:18
* mvo hugs seb128 back13:19
seb128chrisccoulson, Cimi: is there any bug about firefox menus don't having the same text color on selection than GTK softwares?13:19
seb128using the light theme13:19
seb128like the text is white on grey which is hard to read13:20
Cimiseb128: you mean inactive text?13:27
seb128Cimi, no, I mean the text of the selected menu in the menubar13:28
seb128ie "Edit"13:28
seb128in firefox13:28
Cimithe text is white13:29
Cimithe menubaritem is dark13:29
Cimisshot please?13:29
seb128I'm using the light theme13:29
seb128sure, one min13:29
=== MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow
seb128Cimi, chrisccoulson: http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/theme.png13:34
seb128Cimi, see the text under the cursor13:35
seb128it's white13:35
Cimitrue13:36
CimiI was using ambiance13:36
Cimiknown firefox bug :(13:36
Cimithe menubaritem is seen as a menuitem13:36
Cimiso it reads the gtkmenuitem text color13:36
Cimibut not the bg13:36
seb128ok13:37
seb128I will check if the bug is tracked with chrisccoulson when he's back from lunch13:38
seb128Cimi, thanks13:38
Cimithanks for nothing seb :(13:38
CimiI don't know how to fix this bug13:38
Cimilet me thing13:38
Cimiseb128: maybe using a custom userstyle script or editing chrome.css13:49
Cimi(maybe)13:49
chrisccoulsonseb128 , Cimi - see mozilla bug 461530 perhaps13:50
ubot2Mozilla bug 461530 in General "Firefox does not fully adhere to GTK+2/GNOME theme in Linux" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46153013:50
seb128chrisccoulson, the bug indicates the menubar issue has been fixed and point to another bug13:51
seb128do we have this supposed fix in our version?13:51
chrisccoulsonyeah, that bug is quite old13:51
Cimichrisccoulson: but why we are reproducing that bug, then?13:52
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure, it seems like the text is white with any theme13:54
Cimichrisccoulson: because it is using the gtkmenuitem text13:56
chrisccoulsonyeah, i can see that now13:58
Cimicould you check if that patch was applied?13:58
Cimichrisccoulson: ^^13:59
chrisccoulsonyeah, the patch was applied ages ago13:59
Cimiso I have no ideas why it is not working14:00
chrisccoulsonok, i'll take a look at it later on today14:00
chrisccoulsoni've got security updates to work on first though14:00
chrisccoulsonwhich takes higher priority unfortunately14:01
chrisccoulsonit should be pretty easy to figure out14:02
seb128chrisccoulson, there was no hurry there I was just wondering if that's something known and being worked14:02
Cimichrisccoulson: the patch is broken14:02
Cimi:-)14:02
Cimijust read the code14:02
CimisMenuBarHoverText = GDK_COLOR_TO_NS_RGB(style->fg[GTK_STATE_SELECTED]);14:02
Cimiit should be14:02
CimisMenuBarHoverText = GDK_COLOR_TO_NS_RGB(style->fg[GTK_STATE_PRELIGHT]);14:02
chrisccoulsonyeah, i thought it would be something like that. all this code is doing is creating a few widgets just to get their style14:03
chrisccoulsonand then getting rid of them again ;)14:03
seb128mvo, so tell me, will we still have synaptic in the default installation next cycle?14:04
anmarpitti: regarding the HD spin down issue. How can we get the old behaviour? can we disable the "spin down" option in power manager since it is misleading?14:04
mvoseb128: maybe not14:04
seb128mvo, I don't want a maybe reply ;-)14:04
seb128mvo, joke aside what are the plans for next cycle? why do we still need it?14:05
mvoI think we will not need it, but I don't know from the top of my head what might still use it14:05
Cimiseb128: ^^14:05
Cimiseb128: I've figured out the issue14:05
pittianmar: the "old" behaviour as in maverick alpha? you could just change the power.d hook14:05
seb128Cimi, it's just changing selected to prelight?14:05
anmarpitti: Ahh... I see.. ok. thanks a lot.14:06
Cimiseb128: I think so14:06
seb128Cimi, I'm not sure I fancy building firefox only to test that though ;-) I might just wait for chriscoulson to do a rebuild for another reason to test it14:06
pittianmar: the nonworking option in power-manager seems to be a separate issue14:06
pittianmar: it's still a bug, of course14:06
Cimiseb128: me could fix that even in radiance14:08
Cimiseb128: it is working, though I'm not sure if it's sane enough14:08
seb128Cimi, well better to fix it in firefox if the one liner you suggested works14:09
arachrisccoulson, so, did you get the chance to have a look to the simple-scan bug?14:09
CimiI am worried about other themes14:09
seb128chrisccoulson, ^ do you think you could sneak that change in your next build?14:09
Cimiwe might need to test it14:09
seb128Cimi, you think they have workarounds for it and would break? or is using prelight wrong for a reason?14:09
CimiI think they might be using selected for a wrong reason14:09
Cimiand prelight may broke them14:10
Cimi*break14:10
* kenvandine grumbles about simple, obvious bugs being discovered after RC!14:10
seb128hey kenvandine14:10
seb128which one?14:10
Cimigood morning ken :)14:10
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i could get that in,  it's a pretty trivial change14:10
kenvandine"Setup broadcast accounts" in the messaging menu...14:11
Cimiseb128: he is making joke of us14:11
chrisccoulsonara - i couldn't recreate it :(14:11
kenvandinedoesn't prompt you to setup accounts14:11
kenvandineit opens an empty gwibber window14:11
seb128great14:11
chrisccoulsonbut i am using a network scanner. i could try and connect it directly via USB later on, but i need to move the scanner first14:11
seb128kenvandine, you can still get that in today14:11
arachrisccoulson, OK, thanks14:11
chrisccoulson(although, i suppose i could just put my laptop on it) ;)14:11
kenvandineduring the sqlite switch the account detection code was removed :/14:11
kenvandineseb128, yeah... i will have a fix in a moment14:11
kenvandineannoying that such obvious things get missed, can't believe in all my testing i missed that14:12
* kenvandine adds that to the list of test cases to add to the desktop testing project :)14:12
=== didrocks1 is now known as didrocks
* bcurtiswx_ waves to didrocks14:12
didrockshey bcurtiswx_14:13
kenvandinein fact, i'll add the test case before i fix it :)14:13
seb128;-)14:13
bcurtiswx_where is this list, i'd be interested in what has been selected for empathy14:13
chrisccoulsonseb128 - that change is ok as a SRU isn't it? i'm pretty unlikely to get it built and tested today unfrtunately14:14
Cimiseb128: so I might need to add a simple workaround in radiance14:18
seb128Cimi, you think it's safer than fixing firefox then?14:19
seb128seems fine as well14:19
seb128chrisccoulson, yeah, no firefox upload now, work on your security update rather ;-)14:19
Cimiso you think there's a place where selected fg color is used in the menubar?14:19
seb128I would think not but I'm not sure14:22
seb128seems a bit late to try and have somebody noticing issues after the upload14:22
Cimibut we will fix firefox14:22
Cimiwhich might be a bigger advantage14:22
seb128we should yes14:22
seb128well the default theme is ok right?14:23
Cimiyes14:23
Cimijust radiance14:24
njinhello to all; i've a bug report concerning in loss of favourites due to upgratde to MM UNR but i don't use UNR and i don't know at wich package assign the bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/65496914:25
ubot2Launchpad bug 654969 in ubuntu "unr favorites lost on upgrade to maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]14:25
njinThanks in advance14:25
seb128njin, hey14:25
seb128didrocks, ^14:26
njinseb128: didrocks?14:26
seb128njin, what do you call unr 2d? in maverick we have unity and it fallback to GNOME if 3d is not working14:26
didrocksnjin: one second, let me look at the bug report14:27
seb128njin, I'm pinging didrocks who maintains UNE14:27
seb128njin, he can probably better reply to your issue14:27
Cimiahah njin thought didrocks was the package maybe :D14:27
njinseb128:LOL14:27
didrocksCimi: is that a promotion? :-)14:27
Cimiahah14:27
didrocksnjin: the favorites you lost, are they webpage bookmarks by any chance?14:27
kenvandinebcurtiswx_,  http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications14:28
njindidrocks: no he talk about launchrs14:28
bcurtiswx_kenvandine, thx14:28
didrocksnjin: in UNE lucid, launchers can be webpage bookmarks14:29
seb128njin, could you give example of launchers which have been dropped14:29
njinok, i ask to the reporter more infos.14:29
njinThanks to all14:29
didrocksnjin: ok, then ask him first to name of the favorites he lost14:29
* ara hugs kenvandine for adding gwibber testcases :)14:30
seb128ara, how is the testing effort going btw?14:30
* kenvandine hugs ara for being awesome!14:30
didrocksnjin: thanks, keep us in touch :)14:30
seb128ara, btw I just noticed that page doesn't test our default photo manager14:31
njinok14:31
seb128there is still f-spot listed14:31
araseb128, yes, we need test cases, first :)14:31
seb128I see ;-)14:31
araseb128, nevertheless, the testing cycle is finished for Maverick now, it went pretty well. I would like to discuss it during UDS to make it even better in Natty :)14:31
seb128I didn't have much time for it but I will try to join the discuss and help a bit next cycle14:32
Cimiseb128: I think that no app is using selected in menubar14:32
seb128ok, so doing the change should be ok14:33
seb128can you talk to kenvandine to get that uploaded?14:33
Cimiseb128: can I add a small fix too?14:34
Cimithere's something printed in the terminal14:34
Cimi(odd_row color etc etc)14:34
seb128yes14:34
Cimiok14:34
seb128kenvandine, ^ can you sponsor the light-themes fixes from Cimi when they will be ready, should be an easy update14:35
kenvandineyeah14:35
CimiI'll update the deb package as well ;)14:35
seb128cyphermox, mterry: hey14:37
mterryseb128, yo14:37
seb128hey mterry, how are you?14:38
mterryseb128, good.  What's up?14:38
seb128mterry, how busy are you?14:38
seb128https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gtkbuilder14:38
mterryseb128, I can take something14:38
seb128would be nice to get starting on cleaning some old techs for next cycle14:39
seb128I just wanted to point that list14:39
cyphermoxseb128, hey14:39
seb128if one of you have time and want to help mvo by porting synaptic or apturl to gtkbuilder14:39
mterryseb128, ah sure.  Would be fun14:39
seb128the checkbox and software-properties bugs show has having vcs code, that might need an update14:39
cyphermoxseb128, pitti, I had a patch for the use_xorg_... but was also looking at the preferred mode part :/ pitti is too fast ;)14:40
seb128cyphermox, hello, how are you?14:40
cyphermoxseb128, doing pretty good :)14:40
pittihey cyphermox14:40
cyphermoxpitti, hey :)14:40
seb128cyphermox, sorry we wanted to get that in before the freeze and there was no update on the bug this morning14:40
pitticyphermox: sorry, I didn't know that you were working on it14:40
seb128cyphermox, if you would still figure why it's getting the mode wrongs that would be useful14:40
cyphermoxseb128, right, I understand. in hindsight I should have set it in progress and proposed that patch first14:40
seb128that's still a bug14:40
cyphermoxyup14:40
seb128would -> could14:41
pittiseb128: it's the same mode that X picks, FTR14:41
seb128cyphermox, thanks14:41
* mvo hugs seb12814:41
pittii. e. xrandr default, I assume14:41
seb128pitti, no14:41
pittiI have to create an xorg.conf to change the resolution to 1280x102414:41
seb128pitti, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57250214:41
ubot2Gnome bug 572502 in libgnome-desktop "gnome-display-properties should pick the preferred xrandr mode" [Normal,Unconfirmed]14:41
seb128pitti, xrandr has some cleverness to figure what the preferred mode is14:42
seb128mterry, if you start working on one of those gtkbuilder port or want to work on one please assign it to you14:43
cyphermoxseb128, pitti, so I'm trying to look at the xrandr code and figure a way to massage that into something that could fit in g-s-d14:43
seb128cyphermox, ^14:43
Cimiseb128: kenvandine someone pls approve my membership of ubuntu artwork packagers14:43
pitticyphermox: so, seems we worked on independent patches after all, good14:43
Cimiso that I can push to trunk14:43
seb128cyphermox, it should probably be in gnome-desktop I guess14:43
seb128Cimi, I'm not admin of this team but I guess davidbarth can?14:43
seb128davidbarth, ^14:43
cyphermoxpitti, I did have the same patch for the gconf key, but was still missing the schema part when I went to bed14:44
seb128cyphermox, sorry about the work duplication there14:44
seb128well it was not days of work at least14:44
seb128the change is pretty small14:44
Cimiand kwwii14:44
cyphermoxpitti, no all good, it's good confirmation that I could understand enough how it works ;)14:45
seb128cyphermox, try to make sure you comment on bugs you start working on, or assign them to you14:45
cyphermoxyeah - assign14:45
cyphermoxseb128, and what about checkbox and software-properties?14:45
seb128cyphermox, usually I would have waited for you to be online to check how work was going but since freeze is rsn and we wanted that in before14:45
cyphermoxah i see14:46
cyphermoxyup14:46
Cimiseb128: or add me to "Ubuntu Desktop"14:46
seb128cyphermox, those have vcs icons, I'm not sure if the patches are working or uptodate though14:46
seb128cyphermox, if you want to check they still apply and work or update them please do14:46
cyphermoxjust saw them now14:46
Cimiseb128: ?14:48
seb128Cimi, no, ubuntu desktop gives access to the whole GNOME packaging and we have rules that people need a minimal number of GNOME updates before joining that team14:48
seb128Cimi, davidbarth should be able to add you to the artwork packagers one when he's back14:49
Cimiseb128: OT: why "128"?14:50
Cimi:-)14:50
seb128boring reason14:51
sorenseb, seb1, seb2, seb3..., seb127 were all taken?14:51
seb128"seb" is usually taken, "seb2" "seb3" etc as well14:51
Cimiahah14:51
seb128so I just picked a random power of 214:51
Cimiahah14:51
Cimiok14:51
sorenWow. I was closer than I thought :)14:51
seb128and it sticked ;-)14:51
seb128soren, you probably had the explanation before at some uds or allhand though :p14:51
seb128no?14:52
seb128that's not the first time somebody asks about it ;-)14:52
Cimieheh curiosity, I am curious14:52
sorenseb128: I remember my first AllHands where everyone with odd nicks had to explain them. I don't think you were among them.14:52
seb128I went on the stage to explain my once14:53
chrisccoulsoni don't think my nick needs any explaining ;)14:53
seb128I'm not sure where it was though, I think in Boston14:53
sorenseb128: Nor was I (I was "shawarma" at the time) and nor was cjwatson (who were "Kamion" at the time).14:53
seb128chrisccoulson, you are a boring man :p14:53
chrisccoulsonlol14:53
chrisccoulsonthanks ;)14:53
sorenseb128: Yep, this was in Boston.14:53
sorenseb128: Well, Plymouth.14:53
seb128you're welcome ;-)14:53
seb128soren, I did explain mine there :p14:53
sorenseb128: Ah.14:53
=== chrisccoulson is now known as nosluoccsirhc
nosluoccsirhcis that better? ;)14:54
seb128lol14:54
Cimilol14:54
seb128you didn't even made typo14:54
seb128that's not fun :p14:54
nosluoccsirhcheh, i was careful ;)14:54
=== Cimi is now known as imiC
imiComg14:54
nosluoccsirhclol14:54
=== imiC is now known as Cimi
* pitti looks that up in a Klingon dictionary14:55
nosluoccsirhc:)14:55
pittinosluoccsirhc: ... it means "if you don't bring me a blood wine right now, I'll cut your throat!"14:55
nosluoccsirhclol14:55
davidbarthCimi: which team do you need to be on?14:57
=== nosluoccsirhc is now known as chrisccoulson
pittichrisccoulson: what about /nick uosןnoɔɔsıɹɥɔ ?14:58
Cimidavidbarth: Ubuntu Artwork Packagers14:58
Cimiso I can push to light-themes14:58
pittichrisccoulson: I promise, it'll make your IRC life a lot quieter!14:58
chrisccoulsonpitti - that's a good idea ;)14:58
pittifreenode -- | ıʇʇıd: Erroneous Nickname14:58
pittibah14:59
chrisccoulsonyeah, i just tried it too ;)14:59
chrisccoulsonooh, i've just fired up my karmic KVM and i have the wonderful sight of xsplash14:59
seb128lol15:00
davidbarthCimi: sorry, i can't add you to the team, i'm not an admin for it15:02
Cimiyeah15:03
Cimilet me push on a separate branch then15:03
Cimiseb128: kenvandine https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/light-themes/firefox-radiance-menubaritem-fix/+merge/3760315:04
kenvandineCimi, i can merge that15:08
seb128thanks guys15:09
chrisccoulsonoh, so we're going to work around it in the theme then?15:09
=== almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan
Cimichrisccoulson: yes15:25
seb128dpm, hey15:34
seb128dpm, did you have a bug about the indicator-appmenu default menu not being translatable?15:34
dpmseb128, no, it was something I just noticed that day when we were talking about it. Do you want me to file one?15:35
seb128dpm, no, for info it's fixed by https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62265815:36
ubot2Gnome bug 622658 in gtk "GTK_STOCK_FILE Stock Label" [Trivial,Resolved: fixed]15:36
seb128dpm, http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=16454815:36
seb128we will try to get in the next gtk update15:36
dpmseb128, ah, cool, thanks for the heads up15:36
seb128dpm, you're welcome15:37
kenvandineCimi, seb128: light-themes merged and uploaded15:44
Cimisuper cool15:44
Cimithanks15:44
seb128great work15:44
kenvandineseb128, uploaded gwibber too...15:44
kenvandineso annoyed by that bug...15:44
seb128thanks Cimi kenvandine15:44
kenvandineseb128, i am about to finish murrine15:44
seb128kenvandine, yeah, it seemed you are taking it personnaly that it didn't get noticed before :p15:44
kenvandinewas updating the copyright file last night... but decided to look over when i was not over-tired :)15:45
seb128well at least you got it before the release15:45
seb128kenvandine, ok15:45
kenvandineseb128, yeah... well i kept using the "Broadcast Accounts... " launcher in the me-menu during install testing15:46
kenvandinenever even occurred to me to try the messaging menu on first run15:46
kenvandinealso annoyed when people remove chunks of code without adding a "FIXME" at least :)15:46
seb128you don't review commits the way dx is doing for gwibber right?15:47
seb128code reviews are nice for those sort of things ;-)15:47
kenvandinei do actually :)15:47
kenvandinebut15:47
kenvandinethis was part of the massive couch->sqlite change15:48
kenvandinewhich included entire python files changing number of spaces for indent...15:48
kenvandineimpossible to compare every line...15:48
seb128oh right15:48
seb128well with some luck that was a one time situation15:48
kenvandineyeah... well gwibber is working the best it has in a long time :)15:49
njinhello, here again for bug 65496915:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 654969 in ubuntu "unr favorites lost on upgrade to maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65496915:49
njinloss favorites were firefox, evolution, cheese, empathy, ubuntunsoftware center, openoffice spreadsheet, open office writer, updatenmanager, and fspot. After upgrading to 10.10, only openofficenspreadsheet, open office writer, update manager, and fspot remained.15:49
=== bjf[afk] is now known as bjf
njindidrocks, seb128: ^^15:50
didrockshum, weird, default favorites are added back and are hardcoded15:50
didrocksso, there is something weird in that report :)15:51
didrocksfirefox, evolution, cheese, empathy, ubuntunsoftwarek center15:51
didrocks-> those are hardcoded15:51
didrocksI'll ask in the bug report15:51
seb128what is the 2d UNR in maverick?15:52
didrocksoh good point15:53
didrocksthanks seb12815:53
didrockswas going to be crazy :)15:54
didrocksit's still netbook-launcher-efl15:54
didrocksand they change the favorite path15:54
didrocksI think, they didn't think about migration15:54
didrocksnjin: ok, set to the right package and added a comment15:56
didrocksthanks again seb128, I was going in the wrong path :)15:56
seb128didrocks, you're welcome15:57
mpttremolux, hi, is "Independent" supposed to be appearing by itself now?15:58
jcastrowho on -desktop is responsible for the likewise bits? Upstream is asking some questions and I'd like to point them someplace, or should I point them to -desktop list?15:58
tremoluxmpt: hey, it would except there is currently nothing in extras.ubuntu.com15:59
seb128jcastro: pitti15:59
seb128or he has been in contact with those guys before15:59
seb128but likewise isn't something desktopish really15:59
jcastrook, there appears to be someone new and I want to put him in the right place15:59
jcastroand the -server folks were clear that likewise is yours15:59
jcastroI asked. :)16:00
=== arky is now known as ^arky^
mpttremolux, I followed your ppa:app-review-board/ppa instructions, and two minutes and two launches later, it's not showing up. Is it still supposed to?16:03
jcastroseb128: is the ownership of the package in dispute? I don't want to step in a server/desktop issue and drag the upstream with it16:03
^arky^hi mpt16:03
mpthi ^arky^16:03
^arky^You sent me a email ? wondering what was it about?16:03
tremoluxmpt: there's nothing in the app-review-board PPA either now, extras is a mirror of that16:04
mpt^arky^, oh, just because you helped us out with Ubuntu Software Center16:04
mpttremolux, ok. So it will appear automatically, for everyone, when the first application arrives?16:05
tremoluxmpt: yes16:06
mptok16:06
^arky^mpt, oh! I thought you were coming down to hanoi coz you asked for my address16:06
jcastroseb128: I am under the impression that both teams maintain different parts of it?16:06
seb128jcastro: check with pitti or rickspencer3, they know what was going on16:06
tremoluxmpt: sounds like we need another test package there tho, as I'm not sure when any of the package for review will make their way through16:07
seb128jcastro: I didn't get by then why it would be a desktop thing, but pitti worked with them and probably knows better16:07
jcastrook16:08
^arky^mpt, if you like my work please do leave a good testimonial on my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/arky16:13
mpt^arky^, will do16:13
^arky^mpt, thanks will get back to you with more a11y bugs after ubuntu+116:13
mterryseb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu/maverick/apturl/gtkbuilder/+merge/3761916:16
seb128mvo, ^16:19
seb128mterry, seems fine from a quick glance, great work ;-)16:20
pittijcastro: the upstream guys mostly maintain it by themselves, or at least used to16:20
pittiwe by and large just sponsored changes16:20
pittijcastro: we don't really have a clue about it, I'm afraid16:20
seb128mterry, feel free to claim the synaptic one as well if you want, mvo said that glade-3 didn't like the current .glade so be warned16:21
mterryseb128, k16:21
seb128mterry, ie opening and saving the .glade seems to create issues16:21
jcastropitti: ok they have some fixes in a PPA and mathiaz has explained the basic workflow, what would you like me to do, make introductions or .. ?16:21
jcastropitti: this is an excellent case for per package uploaders!16:21
pittijcastro: Gerry and I already know each other16:23
pittijcastro: well, I still had to make a lot of packaging corrections16:23
pittiI'm afraid they are not that far yet16:23
pittijcastro: so far the workflow was that he mailed me or sub'ed me to a bug for sponsoring16:23
jcastropitti: it appears to be a new person, scott salley16:23
pittiokay; so, from my POV the same would work -- just mail me or sub me to a bug for sponsoring or discussion16:24
jcastrook16:24
mterryseb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu/maverick/system-config-printer/gtkbuilder/+merge/3762116:26
mvomterry: woah, thanks :)16:27
seb128mterry, ;-)16:28
jibelcyphermox, thank you for taking care of synaptic :-)16:28
seb128fredp, hey16:28
seb128fredp, how do you build your http://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/299.html?16:29
cyphermox jibel, it's *huge*, but slowly working on it ;)16:29
seb128hum16:30
mvomterry: contracts, the merge is commit r100 in apturl trunk :)16:30
fredpseb128: there is a twoninetynine command in jhbuild, in the release-team-commands branch.16:30
fredpseb128: there is also a more generic goalreport command, used to produce the reports in http://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/reports/16:30
mterrymvo, hah, patience is always rewarded16:30
fredpseb128: I should get it merged and documented.16:31
seb128mterry, ^ cyphermox started on synaptic it seems16:31
mvocyphermox: you work on the gtkbuilder conversion? in what branch :) ? I'm eager to see and help16:31
mterryseb128, yeah I took too long on system-config-printer I guess :)16:31
seb128lol16:31
seb128fredp, ok thanks16:31
seb128quick session restart and brb16:31
cyphermoxmvo, I am using lp:synaptic16:32
cyphermoxmterry, I think we can split the work16:32
mvocyphermox: excellent \o/16:32
cyphermoxall I have done so far was convert the glade files automatically, there is still a lot to do ;)16:33
mterrycyphermox, is it easily divisible?  I suspect we'd step on each other a bit16:33
mvomanual inspection is probably still required, in the past it did eat some of the UI16:33
mvothere is stuff like RGGladeWindow that should be really easy to convert16:34
cyphermoxmvo, yeah, there's a good amount of warnings at least w/r/t duplicate IDs16:35
seb128re16:37
seb128I will start opening some other series of bugs16:37
seb128starting by making our gtk software gtk3 compliant16:37
seb128softwares16:37
seb128mterry, ^ if you are running out of tasks of feel like doing some gtk3 porting feel free16:38
seb128^ or anybody else interested16:38
mterryseb128, I'm looking at the twisted gtkbuilder bug now (though kinda low priority, since it's just a Suggests).  I could do gtk3 stuff next.  In particular, I have that appindicator series of patches to update16:39
seb128I guess making our current versions build with DISABLE_GTK_DEPRECATED is a start16:39
mterryseb128, also getting a version of gtk3 in the archive...  :)16:39
seb128the debian guys are working on that16:39
mterrynice16:40
seb128check with slomo if you want to help there16:40
mterryI'm good.  :)16:40
seb128they have some packaging in the pkg-gnome svn16:40
seb128I plan to get it in early next cycle16:40
seb128ie just after UDS16:40
mterrycool.  But yeah, easy to pave the way by removing deprecations16:40
seb128but meanwhile we can start by making sure ubuntu specific softwares build on gtk 2.22 with deprecations disabled16:40
seb128ie update-notified, language-selector, software-properties16:41
mterryseb128, is there a nice list on the wiki of stuff the desktop team maintains?  i.e. stuff we should port?16:41
seb128I will make a list and tag them and give the url on the channel16:41
seb128mterry, the topic versions.html is sort of what we maintain16:42
seb128but most of GNOME 2.32 builds with deprecated api turned off16:42
mterryseb128, yeah, but as upstreams I meant16:42
seb128they have been tracking it actively16:42
seb128mterry, I'm not sure16:44
seb128there was a wiki page with the code we write16:44
seb128mterry, I will open bugs based on the default install, but those are obvious ones to start on16:45
seb128update-notifier, language-selector, software-properties16:45
mterryseb128, sure16:45
seb128usb-creator16:45
seb128well I'm not so sure about pygtk softwares16:45
seb128I think the upstream plan is that things will use python3 and introspection16:46
seb128but introspection is still a moving part and the maverick version is a bit outdated16:46
seb128so we better wait a bit for those16:46
mterryseb128, I believe the plan is to transition such packages to py-gi16:48
seb128right, which is in pygobject now16:48
seb128so pygobject and introspection16:48
seb128but as said our introspection versions are a bit outdated16:49
mvois py-gi in the archive yet?16:49
seb128mvo, it's in pygobject16:49
seb128mvo, import gi16:49
mvopython -c 'import gi'16:50
mvo <- that gives me a error - is that expected?16:50
kklimondano16:51
mterrymvo, I don't get an error16:51
* mvo checks if he is outdated16:52
mterryseb128, do we know gi is broken in maverick or just suspect it?  It might work OK for the more static gtk216:52
seb128mterry, it's not broken16:53
seb128it's just that our gobject-introspection is outdated16:53
mterrySorry, broken in the sense of being outdated16:53
seb128we have 0.9.316:53
seb128they rolled 0.9.5 10 days ago16:53
seb128which breaks abi16:53
seb128ie just when our freeze started16:53
mterryguh16:53
seb128they got like 5 updated tarballs since16:53
seb128so we didn't go for the abi break16:53
seb128the time was not great for maverick16:54
didrocksmterry: you will find some patches to revert commits for new gi in several packages16:54
seb128well usually it's just changing the makefile to not use new argument for the gir parser calls16:55
seb128mterry, I was thinking we should focus on plain C applications until UDS16:55
seb128then we decide at UDS what we do16:55
seb128then we can get a ppa with the new introspection stack and new gtk etc and work on those16:56
didrocksseb128: I didn't get the easy one it seems, no luck for me :-)16:56
mterryseb128, OK.  I'll start by looking at update-notifier, which as I recall is C16:56
seb128mterry,  update-notifier, language-selector, software-properties16:59
seb128mterry, just pick any of those yes ;-)17:00
seb128update-notifier seems fine17:00
seb128didrocks, oh right, you got vala ;-)17:00
didrocksand I liked it :-)17:00
mterryOh, I thought language-selector and software-properties were python17:00
mvoyeah, those are python17:01
mvoonly update-notifier is C (memory/startup performance)17:01
seb128mterry, doh, my mistake, sorry17:11
seb128mterry, ok, next one is notify-osd17:18
seb128mterry, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/65523117:25
ubot2Launchpad bug 655231 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "should build without using GTK deprecations (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:25
mterryseb128, oh thanks, didn't look for a bug17:26
mterryoh17:26
mterry:)17:26
seb128mterry, I just opened one, I'm building a list and will take them ;-)17:26
seb128so we can track what needs to be done17:26
seb128https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gtk317:29
seb128^17:29
seb128I will keep adding bugs on this list for those interested17:29
seb128 17:30
seb128ok, it's meeting time17:30
mterryseb128, your list of deprecations should include -DGSEAL_ENABLE and probably the glib deprecation flag too (G_DISABLE_DEPRECATIONS)17:31
seb128didrocks, mterry, chrisccoulson, Riddell, tremolux, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter: hello17:31
didrocksseb128: hey17:31
chrisccoulsonooh, that time already17:31
tremoluxhowdy17:31
mterryyo17:31
chrisccoulsontoday just seems to have disappeared!17:31
* pedro_ waves17:31
seb128mterry, oh right, I wanted to check after the meeting, I just filed those in a hurry, thanks ;-)17:31
Riddelloh aye, meeting17:31
tkamppeterhi17:32
cyphermoxhowdy17:32
seb128hello everybody17:32
seb128https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-10-0517:32
seb128let's start and keep that short, I don't think there is lot to discuss this week17:32
seb128kenvandine, partner update?17:33
seb128ok, no kenvandine17:33
seb128Riddell, hey, kubuntu update?17:33
Riddellyo17:34
Riddell * We're ready for release!  No major problems in today's images17:34
Riddell * http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 9 tagged bugs, all acceptable for release17:34
Riddell * Qt update for GTK style will be a SRU17:34
Riddell * KDE release 4.5.2 now in Kubuntu updates PPA17:34
seb128great work on kubuntu as always ;-)17:35
seb128does anybody has questions for Riddell?17:35
Riddellit's all down to the great community17:35
seb128you rock as well as your community do ;-)17:35
seb128great work on driving the RC for everybody btw17:36
seb128thanks Riddell17:36
seb128didrocks, UNE update?17:36
didrockshey17:36
didrocksNo unity release this week, but still a lot of love! Some cherry-pick to fix latest issues, mostly translations one.17:36
didrocksNow shotwell is blacklisted from appmenu, so you can safely run it under UNE.17:36
didrocksI think we are pretty good for the release, no flow of bugs after RC, no showstoppers at least.17:36
didrocksStill working heavily on the icon loading taking long on some hw configuration and others bugs set for an SRU.17:36
seb128yeah, seems unity is working well enough now17:37
seb128one cycle was challenging to get there so congrats to everybody17:37
seb128we can sort remaining glitches in a SRU next week17:37
didrocksyeah, I'm very confident due to the progress in bug side we had those last few weeks :)17:37
seb128is there any questions for didrocks?17:38
didrocksdx team rocked it in once cycle :)17:38
seb128ok, thanks didrocks17:39
didrocksyw17:39
seb128the next update is for another rocking team ;-)17:39
seb128tremolux, hey, software-center update?17:39
tremoluxseb128: heya  :)17:39
tremolux* Buy Something: round of fixes and tweaks in software-center-agent to be deployed by ISD this week17:39
tremolux* Misc:  testing continues, keeping a close watch on incoming bug reports, targeted bugfixing17:39
tremolux* tagged bugs: http://tinyurl.com/29drbv417:39
tremoluxwe are in good shape feels like17:40
seb128seems so17:40
seb128you will not get the download failing issue fixed for maverick it seems?17:41
seb128the bug is still set to confirmed17:41
seb128is that something many users run into? or a special config case?17:41
tremoluxthe proxy one?17:41
seb128"purchased software download fails with and breaks apt proxy"17:42
tremoluxyes, I don't think it's very common17:42
tremoluxmvo reports he has a partial fix in the works17:42
seb128ok17:42
tremoluxI'm not sure, may go as an sru17:42
seb128ok, s-c feels solid there and it seems those bug didn't get duplicates17:43
tremoluxthe other three are good, two fix committed and the third looks fixed in policykit by james_w17:43
seb128no reason to worry there17:43
seb128I've seen that, great work ;-)17:43
tremoluxindeed!17:43
seb128kudos to james_w for tracking that bug as well17:43
seb128ok17:43
seb128is there any question for tremolux?17:44
james_wit's not uploaded anywhere yet17:44
seb128james_w, I guess it will be SRU material now17:44
james_wI would appreciate review from people more familiar with gtk/glib17:44
james_wyeah17:44
tremoluxjames_w: yes, mvo mentioned it will come later17:44
seb128but still nice to know you figured what is wrong and got a fix for it17:44
tremoluxjames_w: and thanks a lot!17:44
seb128james_w, where is the fix to review?17:45
james_whttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3051517:45
ubot2Freedesktop bug 30515 in daemon "Race means that client can get no response from agent" [Normal,New]17:45
seb128bratsche, tedg, pitti: ^17:45
seb128do you think one of you could review the patches from james_w there?17:46
seb128thanks tremolux17:46
seb128thanks james_w17:46
seb128kenvandine, still not there?17:46
tremoluxthx seb12817:46
* bratsche reads17:46
seb128bratsche, what james_w said just before basically17:47
seb128bratsche, no hurry for reviews it will not go in this week anyway17:47
seb128ok, let's get moving17:47
seb128pedro_, hey17:47
pedro_hello!17:47
pedro_ok just wanted to bring some bugs to your attention17:47
seb128pedro_, so tell us, how is maverick from a qa eye ;-)17:47
pedro_it's looking great so far ;-)17:48
pedro_just some minor bugs at this time17:48
pedro_the ISO testing went fine as well17:48
devildanteit's wonderful even not from a qa eye :p17:48
devildanteand hi all :)17:48
seb128hey devildante17:48
pedro_and this week we're concentrating on that so if you have some time keep an eye on that during Thursday/Friday17:48
devildantehi seb128 :)17:48
tremoluxdevildante!  heya17:48
devildantehey tremolux :)17:48
pedro_ok the bugs:17:48
pedro_bug 62192717:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 621927 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 8 other projects) "Embedded Terminal Emulator isn't giving a TERM variable (affects: 61) (dups: 14) (heat: 344)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62192717:49
pedro_that is causing a lot of noise lately, would be nice if someone could have a look so we can SRU it later17:49
seb128chrisccoulson, ^17:49
devildantemvo: ping17:49
seb128you did the recent vte updates right?17:49
chrisccoulsonyeah, i can take a look17:49
seb128devildante, we are in a meeting, can you query mvo or ping it somewhere else?17:49
devildanteokay :)17:50
seb128chrisccoulson, or maybe ask cyphermox if he has time for it17:50
pedro_https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630861#c14 <- according to that comment that's the commit that caused the issue17:50
ubot2Gnome bug 630861 in VteTerminal "Embedded Terminal Emulator isn't giving a TERM variable" [Normal,Unconfirmed]17:50
seb128cyphermox, ^ do you think you would have time to investigate that one?17:50
cyphermoxseb128, chrisccoulson, yup17:50
pedro_probably chpe can provide advice on that as well17:50
* cyphermox is looking at it now17:50
seb128cyphermox, ok, please assign the bug to yourself then17:50
pedro_thanks cyphermox ;-)17:51
seb128chrisccoulson, unping for you then ;-)17:51
seb128cyphermox, thanks17:51
pedro_ok the other bug is the one we had a few ago and looks like isn't fixed17:51
pedro_bug 63088417:51
ubot2Launchpad bug 630884 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke() (affects: 138) (dups: 53) (heat: 653)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63088417:51
seb128did cosimoc commited to 2-32?17:51
pedro_we're still getting duplicates, i've reopened the upstream bug and commented on it already17:51
seb128he said he would do after the hardfreeze17:51
seb128which means after 2.32?17:51
njinpedro_: server ?17:51
pedro_seb128, didrocks committed it to our package17:51
pedro_i've checked it17:52
pedro_the fix is already in the package we're shipping but it doesn't fix the crash17:52
seb128pedro_, hum17:53
pedro_so we need someone to have a look to it again, probably didrocks since he made the latest change there?17:53
didrocksoh yeah, the "various crashers", easy to confirm it was fixed :)17:53
pedro_heh17:53
seb128pedro_, where do you see that in our package?17:53
didrockspedro_: I couldn't reproduce it, but I can still try to have a look17:53
pedro_but the nautilus_path_bar_size_allocate is still causing the issue17:53
pedro_seb128, http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=cfada2b36dd274b2d2835753fc87c69affbbba5817:54
seb128hum right it's in the current version17:54
seb128ok17:54
seb128let's check with cosimoc later on then17:54
pedro_that's the commit and i've looked at the package to confirm the lines were there and they are17:54
pedro_ok thanks seb12817:54
pedro_ok the other is one that it might cause some issues for portable devices on rhythmbox17:54
pedro_bug 65410517:55
ubot2Launchpad bug 654105 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Transferring songs from iPod to local drive does not copy extension (ie, .mp3), confusing some portable devices (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65410517:55
seb128which is fixed upstream I see17:55
seb128we will sru it after maverick17:55
pedro_is already fixed upstream so it's just a matter to SRU it17:55
pedro_awesome17:55
seb128it's late now for an upload and it seems not a blocker for the iso17:55
pedro_yeah just raising it for SRU17:55
pedro_and the last one, the evil bug 55180917:55
ubot2Launchpad bug 551809 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 439) (dups: 133) (heat: 1933)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55180917:55
seb128right, still no real lead on this one17:55
pedro_is there any updates on it ? i haven't seen any progress so far17:56
pedro_:-(17:56
seb128tedg, ^ did you have a chance to try to figure if that's an indicator issue?17:56
seb128pedro_, can you try to figure by reading the duplicates or asking submitters if that's only in fallback cases17:56
seb128ie for users who don't use the indicator applet17:56
seb128like xfce users or people who don't like indicators and removed the applet17:57
pedro_seb128, ok will do that17:57
seb128thanks17:57
pedro_seb128, that's all from here unless there's a question/comment17:57
seb128I will try to get tedg to review it to see if he has a clue what could be wrong17:57
pedro_awesome17:57
seb128pedro_, not from me, thanks pedro_ for the bugslist17:57
seb128useful as usual ;-)17:57
pedro_my pleasure17:57
seb128ok, let's move on17:58
seb128http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html17:58
seb128well we are over work items time17:58
seb128still a few to clean there17:58
seb128mpt, you still have yours listed, can you get it postpone or closed? ;-)17:59
seb128mterry, you have a mir still listed, I guess that should be deferred to next cycle?17:59
mterryseb128, let me check17:59
seb128other items are for the eastern edition17:59
mterryseb128, yes it should be17:59
mptseb128, done18:00
seb128mpt, thanks18:00
seb128mterry, can you update the spec then? just close or postpone it as appropriate there18:00
seb128thanks18:00
tedgseb128, I've looked into it, it's really unclear.  I believe it's a GTK issue, and they of course believe it's an appindicator issue :)  But, no one seems to know exactly where it's happening.18:00
seb128otherwise great work everybody, maverick rocks18:00
seb128there is another round of iso testing still coming starting tomorrow so please help with that18:01
seb128you can probably also start thinking about UDS and next cycle18:01
seb128I need to catch up with rick about blueprints registration and UDS but we will keep you updated18:02
seb128I think we will probably discuss that in next week's meeting18:02
seb128that's it from me18:02
seb128questions, comments, anything to add?18:03
chrisccoulsonooh, there is a new version of NSS and firefox in the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA18:03
chrisccoulsonplease test :)18:03
kenvandinewhoops... sorry i took off for lunch right before the meeting, completely forgot!18:03
seb128chrisccoulson, ok18:05
seb128chrisccoulson, do you have the url handy?18:06
seb128kenvandine, hey ;-)18:06
seb128kenvandine, no problem, did you have any status update?18:06
seb128you can still do it18:06
kenvandinenope :)18:06
kenvandineactually nobody got back to me with links to planning documents...18:06
seb128ok, so you didn't miss anything :p18:06
* kenvandine makes a note to go nag :)18:06
chrisccoulsonthere we go: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa18:06
seb128didrocks, mterry, chrisccoulson, Riddell, tremolux, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter: ^18:06
kenvandineseb128, sorry, i saw a window while waiting for indicator-sound and ran :)18:07
seb128if you want to test the security updates18:07
seb128kenvandine, that's ok don't worry ;-)18:07
seb128tedg, wb, hum ok for the bug, still a common crasher happening only for things using the appindicators it seems...18:07
seb128I guess it requires debugging by somebody having the issue18:07
didrocksI will test it18:07
seb128ok, I think that's a wrap up then18:08
seb128thanks everybody!18:08
kenvandinewow... short meeting! (for me, hehe)18:09
pedro_thanks!18:09
mterryseb128, I don't have permissions to postpone https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-clusterstack18:09
seb128kenvandine, don't make a not to do that every week you will not get away with it next time :p18:09
mterryseb128, and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/update-notifier/deprecations/+merge/3763518:09
kenvandinehehe18:09
kenvandine:)18:09
cyphermoxchrisccoulson, didn't have issues with FF 3.6.11-build2 on hardy after all?18:11
ftatedg, kenvandine: by any chance, do you know if there's a way to make evolution go offline/online from the outside? (from a shell command, or dbus)18:11
chrisccoulsoncyphermox, we had to drop a patch18:11
seb128mterry, ok, seems it's rather a workitem tracking corner case bug, ie the bug task is set to incomplete but still counted18:11
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure if that was the only issue. i assume so though18:11
seb128mterry, don't bother with it then18:11
kenvandinefta, i would think via dbus somehow, but never looked18:11
seb128mvo, <mterry> seb128, and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/update-notifier/deprecations/+merge/3763518:11
tedgfta, I don't know of one off hand, but there's a bunch of things you can do from the command line -- evolution --force-shutdown is the most useful :)18:12
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desrttedg: any use of that command indicates that you're doing it wrong18:12
desrttedg: alternatively, it could be that evolution has a bug.  but i doubt it.  you're doing it wrong.18:12
kenvandinefta, i guess not18:13
kenvandinelooking in d-feet it doesn't provide much18:13
tedgdesrt, Heh.  But, to be honestly, the new evolution is radically better than older incarnations.18:13
tedgThough, apparently I have too many vfolders for it to be happy all the time.18:14
kenvandineit is usually happy for me18:14
kenvandine:)18:14
seb128brb18:14
* desrt will be a die-hard evolution lover/hater18:14
ftakenvandine, tedg: i once had a look at the api usable by plugins (wanted to improve the indicator) but didn't find much in there for me needs. now i need to inform evo it's offline18:15
kenvandinefta, i am sure that api changed a ton since lucid18:15
ftakenvandine, the evo api?18:15
seb128re18:16
seb128mterry, oh, --enable-deprecations, is that standard?18:16
didrocksseb128: re, did the e-d-s update fixes the recurrent crashes you had?18:16
mterryseb128, no, just something I do in my projects.   Makes it easier to test18:16
seb128didrocks, not sure, it seemed better before I applied the update and I didn't get any for a few days18:17
seb128so I'm not sure if that was due to server issues they fixed or if the update helped18:17
didrocksseb128: ok… weird then18:17
mterryseb128, (since you don't want them on by default, and typing them in when testing is too much work)18:17
didrocksyeah, apparently it could fail a lot if the server wasn't working well18:17
seb128didrocks, in any case it works fine now18:17
didrockswell, good to know, I worried a little about it :)18:18
seb128mterry, yeah, I've just those noted and do an export CFLAGS=...18:18
didrockslet's hope that the patch I backported was for that too18:18
kenvandinefta, evo has changed a lot... all dbus friendly now, etc18:18
didrockspatches* even18:18
ftakenvandine, documented somewhere?18:19
kenvandinenot sure18:19
kenvandinei haven't looked much at the new evo, besides enjoying the smaller memory footprint and lack of crashes18:19
kenvandines/lack/less frequent/18:19
chrisccoulsonseb128 - want me to look at this g-s-d crash again?18:20
seb128chrisccoulson, if you can that would be appreciated yes18:20
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks18:20
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, cyphermox and pedro_, i normally post announcements to identi.ca when there are RC builds of firefox available for testing, but not many people follow me. feel free to pass the message on for me ;)18:22
kenvandinechrisccoulson, just checked ... i subscribe to you :)18:25
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, yeah, that's why i pinged you ;)18:25
chrisccoulsonyou have a lot more followers than me....18:26
chrisccoulson;)18:26
kenvandinechrisccoulson, although, i am not a great browser tester... never install extensions and i generally hate all web browsers18:26
kenvandinei can re-dent it :)18:26
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, yeah, that's the terminology i was looking for ;)18:26
chrisccoulsonsorry, i'm not cool enough!18:26
chrisccoulson:)18:26
kenvandinehehe18:26
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ari-tczewdidrocks: could you sponsor proposed cairo-dock ?18:40
didrocksari-tczew: which one, do you have a bug report?18:40
ari-tczewdidrocks: bug 65370218:41
ubot2Launchpad bug 653702 in cairo-dock-plug-ins (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please update cairo-dock to the final 2.2.0~4 version (bugs fixed) (affects: 1) (heat: 1731)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65370218:41
didrocksari-tczew: ok, I'll have a look tomorrow then. thanks18:42
didrocksari-tczew: FYI: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo-dock/+bug/653702/comments/218:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 653702 in cairo-dock-plug-ins (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please update cairo-dock to the final 2.2.0~4 version (bugs fixed) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete]18:50
kenvandinedidrocks, i can't upload the indicator-sound SRU to lucid, can you please sponsor lp:~ken-vandine/ubuntu/lucid/indicator-sound/lucid18:56
didrockskenvandine: will do that as first thing tomorrow, seems that everything is ok with the associated bug, nice :)18:57
kenvandineshould be :)18:57
kenvandineand i tested it, built in pbuilder, etc18:58
didrocksok, just building it, 5 minutes, and I'll upload it then18:58
didrocksif the paperwork is already done, should be quick :)18:58
mterrynjpatel, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/notify-osd/deprecations/+merge/37645  (not sure if you get merge request notifications)18:58
vishdidrocks: offtopic doubt!  how do you type "…" in firefox/chrome?  does you keyboard have that key or … ?18:58
* vish just noticed didrocks' comment on the print screen bug :D , … 18:59
didrocksvish: with the French fr oss layout, it's Alt gr + Shift + ,19:00
didrocks(so alt gr + ?)19:00
vishdidrocks: oh! cool thanks.. :)19:00
njpatelmterry, ah, nice, will pass onto dbarth/macslow19:00
didrocksvish: hope you can find an equivalent :)19:01
didrockskenvandine: updating from 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 to 0.2.5-0ubuntu1?19:01
kenvandineyeah19:01
vishdidrocks: i copied yours and use it in xchat auto-replace ;)   … :D19:01
kenvandine0.2.4 FTBFS19:01
kenvandineso ronoc rolled a new release19:01
didrockskenvandine: ok :)19:01
didrocksvish: hehe, good ;)19:01
didrockskenvandine: uploaded, you can subscribe the sru team19:02
kenvandinethx19:02
kenvandinewill do19:02
didrocks(just ensure it's fixed in maverick if relevant or change the status)19:03
kenvandineyeah, i'll confirm19:03
* didrocks waves good evening19:05
vishkenvandine: Bug #653259 is application-side error and cjwatson just explained it on -devel :)19:21
ubot2Launchpad bug 653259 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Choosing India as location sets locale as en_IN and not en_IN.utf8 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65325919:21
mvoseb128: so … gsettings - does that support madatory values (like gconf) and if so, what is the api for this?19:48
mvohey glatzor, thanks for your mail19:48
mvoglatzor: trunk/ needs a workaround for the cache archive locking or python-apt a workaround for its over eagerness19:49
seb128mvo, I've been told it does but I didn't check myself so I don't know, check with upstream which is on this channel I would say ;-)19:50
mvodevildante: maybe with porting to gsettings we can get the software-properites stuff to work the way we want it19:50
mvoseb128: heh :)19:50
devildantemvo: yes, good idea, but wrong window :p19:50
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chrisccoulson_urgh, my laptop won't boot20:36
kenvandinechrisccoulson_, must be that firefox update :-D20:44
* kenvandine ducks20:44
chrisccoulson_heh20:44
chrisccoulson_it just drops to initramfs20:44
chrisccoulson_mount: mounting /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxx on /root failed: Invalid argument20:45
chrisccoulson_nice20:45
chrisccoulson_i can't even mount it manually from the initramfs20:45
chrisccoulson_i had to kill it because it locked up when i undocked, i suspect my hard drive didn't like it too much20:46
chrisccoulson_lol20:52
chrisccoulson_i'm wondering why i can't get my laptop to boot from my USB stick....20:52
chrisccoulson_...it might help if i wasn't plugging my 4G dongle in20:52
chrisccoulson_3G20:53
chrisccoulson_d'oh20:53
chrisccoulson_i should go to sleep20:53
kenvandinehaha20:54
chrisccoulson_there, it's booting from USB stick now20:54
chrisccoulson_(and not 3G dongle)20:54
chrisccoulson_:)20:54
chrisccoulson_i think a format and reinstall is going to be happening tonight20:55
micahgchrisccoulson_: maybe change fstab/grub to /dev/XXX20:56
chrisccoulson_micahg - tried it (manually from the initramfs)20:56
chrisccoulson_it won't let me mount the filesystem at all :(20:57
chrisccoulson_i just keep getting the same invalid argument error20:57
micahgchrisccoulson_: repair?20:58
chrisccoulson_yeah, i get a more descriptive error from the USB stick20:59
chrisccoulson_it's really really broken20:59
chrisccoulsonfixed!21:13
bcurtiswx_and how?21:13
chrisccoulsonfsck ;)21:15
chrisccoulsonlots and lots of errors21:15
* micahg wins :)21:16
chrisccoulsonheh :)21:16
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jcastrokenvandine: 15 minutes for gwibber refresh? A little high don't you think?23:38

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