[01:26] <chrisccoulson> right, bed time for me!
[07:33] <pitti> Good morning
[07:34] <pitti> anmar: yes, that's known; we had to disable hard drive spindown because it caused too many problems on many hardware
[07:40] <didrocks> good morning
[07:43] <dpm> morning didrocks
[07:43] <TheMuso> Hey pitti, didrocks.
[07:46] <didrocks> hey dpm, TheMuso
[08:17] <ara> didrocks, is robert on holidays?
[08:17] <ara> didrocks, morning, btw :)
[08:24] <didrocks> ara: yeah, robert is on holidays (I think it's his last and 4th week ;))
[08:24] <didrocks> morning ara, how are you?
[08:25] <ara> didrocks, I am good, thanks
[08:25] <ara> didrocks, do you know who's taking care in his absence of simple scan?
[08:25] <ara> didrocks, it is crashing for me in a reproducible way 100% of the times I scan a photo
[08:26] <didrocks> ara: well, the desktop team, do you think there are some annoying bug there?
[08:26] <didrocks> urgh
[08:26] <ara> didrocks, I am uploading now the crash report
[08:26] <didrocks> I tried less than 20 days ago without any glitch
[08:26] <didrocks> ara: ok, I'll try to have a look within the day
[08:26] <didrocks> ara: can you just point me to the bug report?
[08:26] <didrocks> (once uploaded)
[08:26] <ara> didrocks, sure, once I finish uploading the report ;-)
[08:27] <ara> hehe
[08:27] <didrocks> great, thanks ara :-)
[08:41] <mvo> fwiw it seems to work for me (scanning with simple-scan)
[08:41] <mvo> didrocks: 4 weeks?
[08:41]  * mvo moves to .au
[08:42] <didrocks> mv mvo .au
[08:42] <didrocks> done \o/
[08:43] <nigelb> didrocks: haha
[08:44] <didrocks> (not sure if that will work and if he can ask now to robbie "can I have 4 weeks of holidays now? ;))
[08:44] <mvo> didrocks: he will not find me anymore unless he uses ls -a
[08:45] <didrocks> mvo: hehe, good catch! :-) as long as they still see you for the pay ;)
[08:45] <mvo> *weeeeeh* indeed
[09:02] <ara> didrocks, I haven't forgotten about you. I am just upgrading my maverick installation to see if that fixes it (simple scan was latest, but not some of their dependencies)
[09:03] <didrocks> ara: no worry. I have enough to do right now ;) take your time!
[09:09] <jiang> asac: ping, in patch 40_xres_lcddefault.patch from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/+bug/271283, I think you should use lcdnone instead of none, otherwise FcNameConstant will return 5 instead of 0
[09:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 271283 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 4 other projects) "[ooo-build] OpenOffice.org subpixel font rendering broken with new cairo (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Fix released]
[09:16] <seb128> hello
[09:18] <Cimi> hi
[09:18] <ara> morning seb128
[09:19] <seb128> hello Cimi, ara
[09:22] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:22] <seb128> hello pitti
[09:22] <seb128> how are you?
[09:22] <pitti> I'm great, thanks! cold is gone, and so is the rain :)
[09:23] <pitti> looking forward to Sunday
[09:23] <pitti> if it wasn't for bug 640807, it'd be a perfect release :)
[09:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640807 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "automatic xrandr module misconfigures monitors (affects: 13) (dups: 3) (heat: 54)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640807
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: how are you?
[09:24] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[09:24] <seb128> seems people do noise about this one for some reasons
[09:24] <pitti> regardless of how we set that external_monitors gconf key, it's always screwing up something
[09:25] <pitti> it should really just keep its hands off xrandr unless there's a configuration
[09:25] <pitti> (and if for nothing else, then for getting back to the faster boot that we had in lucid)
[09:25] <seb128> it's quite easy
[09:25] <seb128> see my comments
[09:26] <seb128> it's just a matter to add a gconf key
[09:26] <seb128> well a gconf key and one line in the code to check for it
[09:26] <baptistemm> hi there
[09:26] <seb128> lut baptistemm
[09:27] <baptistemm> I guess bug 654768 is a duplicate ?
[09:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654768 in xorg (Ubuntu) "GTK+ artefact in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654768
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: but what I'm wondering about is why this wasn't in lucid
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, because federico added a way to force modes
[09:27] <seb128> we discussed it on #ubuntu-x on friday with him
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: by the changelog description this would be http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=5800925a383d6498bd4281a7eebe0fc39be640b7
[09:27] <seb128> he said basically he doesn't trust xorg to get things right
[09:28] <pitti> so he's calling X.org to fix it??
[09:28] <seb128> he's not
[09:28] <pitti> but that commit shouldn't have changed the "set default configuration" behaviour, or am I missing something?
[09:28] <seb128> you are missing something
[09:28] <seb128> one sec
[09:28] <pitti> hm, but in a KMS world, the last thing we want to do is to introduce even more mode changes and detections?
[09:28] <seb128> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/log/?h=randr-set-as-default
[09:28] <seb128> basically
[09:29] <seb128> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=randr-set-as-default&id=67958ef6faab5797d5c5ad939db36f393706984a
[09:29] <seb128> is the commit where he added those new keys
[09:29] <pitti> ah
[09:29] <seb128> seems it was an oem request at novell
[09:29] <seb128> to be able to force monitors in a state
[09:29] <seb128> which is why he did this change
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: i. e. we want to disable apply_default_boot_configuration() call?
[09:30] <pitti> (if we don't have a system-wide or per-user config)
[09:30] <seb128> did you read my comment in the bug?
[09:30] <seb128> I copied what federico said on IRC
[09:30] <seb128> with the codepath to patch
[09:30] <pitti> ah, ok; I'm only half through
[09:30]  * pitti reads the rest
[09:30] <seb128> read my comments from yesterday
[09:31] <pitti> I just don't understand his rationale that "don't touch xrandr" is the special case
[09:31] <didrocks> good morning pitti :)
[09:31] <pitti> it should be the default case, and touching xrandr would be to apply workarounds for broken situations
[09:31] <pitti> hey didrocks
[09:32] <seb128> pitti, he said basically that he doesn't trust xorg to be agile enough on bug fixing
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: so, adding a gconf key would work for that
[09:32] <seb128> ie he said it's much easier to patch g-s-d to get things right when needed than to wait for xorg or driver to be updated
[09:32] <seb128> I don't really share his view
[09:32] <seb128> but he's fine adding the key
[09:32] <pitti> me neither
[09:32] <pitti> ok, that sounds like a good compromise
[09:32] <seb128> then what the default is is a distributor choice
[09:33] <pitti> well, I don't think that yet another gconf key is the right solution (I'd prefer just testing the existence of a configuration file), but it's "good enough" IMHO
[09:35] <seb128> well then you drop the possibility for oems to force the monitors setting by gconf
[09:35] <seb128> not sure why they wanted that
[09:35] <seb128> he said hp wanted the external display to be forced off by default
[09:35] <pitti> i. e. "we want broken docking stations with Linux"
[09:36] <seb128> well I don't feel we should deprecated upstream keys in a distro patch
[09:36] <pitti> I really wish we had reliable lid detection on startup
[09:36] <seb128> we should just add this new key which make that behaviour off by default
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: I agree
[09:36] <pitti> that's even something we could still push into maverick
[09:37] <seb128> since federico said he would accept the patch upstream
[09:37] <seb128> pitti, do you want to do it?
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: I can spend an hour or two on it, yes
[09:37] <pitti> there's no upstream bug for this one yet, right?
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, that would be great, I've some paperwork I need to finish now
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, no there is not
[09:38] <pitti> ok, doing
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, it should be less than an hour, I've pointed the code concerned in the bug
[09:38] <seb128> it should just be a matter to add a gconf key and test it there
[09:38] <seb128> well maybe with build and testing one hour ;-)
[09:39]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:39] <jono> seb128, quick q - any idea how I can disable the evolution light version in the netbook edition and just use the regular evo?
[09:39] <jono> whenever I start it in unity I get the light evo
[09:39] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[09:39] <seb128> remove the launcher, start evolution and add it to the config?
[09:39] <jono> hmm I tried that and it seemed to reset
[09:40] <seb128> just guessing, didrocks did the work to use the express one in UNE
[09:40] <seb128> ok, so wait for didrocks
[09:41] <jono> thanks seb128!
[09:41] <seb128> yw ;-)
[09:42] <didrocks> jono: so, just close all evo instances
[09:43] <jono> didrocks, right
[09:43] <didrocks> jono: then, start it from the messaging menu (as XDG_DATA_PATH isn't set for that one)
[09:43] <jono> didrocks, aha!
[09:43] <didrocks> jono: for the launcher, you can workaround this
[09:43] <jono> didrocks, oh?
[09:43] <didrocks> jono: but I guess it will first try to run the express mode :)
[09:44] <didrocks> and you will loose the goodness of banshee netbook mode too
[09:44] <jono> didrocks, yeah, I tried to run the regular evo and add it to the launcher and it still runs the express mode
[09:44] <didrocks> (and make me sad of course :p)
[09:44] <jono> hehe
[09:44] <didrocks> right
[09:44] <jono> also, I am noticing that autocomplete in evo seems to have stopped working
[09:44] <seb128> the autocomplete?
[09:45] <jono> seb128, when entering the recipient in the TO field
[09:45] <didrocks> so, for workaround it in the launcher, and the application places and such, just edit: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xdg_path-on-session and comment the part related to XDG_DATA_DIRS
[09:45] <seb128> jono, works there
[09:45] <seb128> we didn't get any bug about that yet
[09:45] <didrocks> in the express mode or full one?
[09:45] <jono> seb128, I just noticed now, just testing
[09:46] <seb128> did you select the contact list you use in the preferences?
[09:46] <seb128> ie, edit, preferences, contacts
[09:46] <seb128> you need to check the one you use
[09:46] <jono> seb128, hmmm it seems that all my contacts have vanished in evo
[09:46] <jono> which is slightly concerning
[09:47] <seb128> try to evolution --force-shutdown
[09:47] <jono> "This address book cannot be opened.  This either means that an incorrect URI was entered, or the server is unreachable."
[09:47] <seb128> then restart it
[09:47] <jono> trying
[09:48] <jono> seb128, same bug
[09:48] <jono> I will file a bug now
[09:48] <seb128> do you use local contacts?
[09:49] <seb128> or do you have those in desktopcouch or something?
[09:49] <jono> seb128, I use UbuntuOne for my contacts
[09:50] <seb128> talk to rodrigo_ then I guess
[09:50] <seb128> desktop doesn't take responsability for desktopcouch issues ;-)
[09:51] <seb128> you might want to open your bug directly on evolution-couchdb
[09:51] <jono> seb128, no worries :-)
[09:51] <didrocks> yeah, desktopcouch is still broken for a lot of people and not everyone has data sync
[09:51] <didrocks> jono: did you read my workaround for getting match to regular evolution?
[09:51] <jono> didrocks, yep, all good thanks :)
[09:52] <didrocks> jono: once that done, just restart the session and it will be good :)
[09:52] <didrocks> yw
[09:58] <seb128> pitti, I don't think use_boot_time_configuration speaks to users
[09:59] <pitti> seb128: that's the hardest part -- naming the key
[09:59] <seb128> ;-)
[09:59] <pitti>                 <short>Set default monitor configuration</short>
[09:59] <pitti>                 <long>Configure internal and external monitors according to the
[09:59] <pitti>                     turn_on_external_monitors_at_startup and
[09:59] <pitti>                     turn_on_laptop_monitor_at_startup settings and determine
[09:59] <pitti>                     appropriate cloning/side-by-side mode. If this is False,
[09:59] <pitti>                     the monitor settings are not touched at all.
[09:59] <pitti>                 </long>
[09:59] <seb128> he suggested a "do-not-touch" sort of name
[09:59] <pitti> that's what I just made up as description, WDYT?
[09:59] <pitti> do you know what he meant by that?
[09:59] <seb128> it's clear I like it
[10:00] <seb128> well something like "do-not-set-any-config"
[10:00] <pitti> I interpreted that as a key semantics he wanted "do not touch the curretn configuration'
[10:00] <seb128> or "let-xorg-do-the-work"
[10:00] <pitti> ah, this way around
[10:00] <pitti> use_xorg_monitor_settings
[10:00] <pitti> ?
[10:00] <pitti> dont_configure_monitors
[10:00] <pitti> ?
[10:01]  * pitti doesn't like negated names, though, and they aren't common
[10:02] <seb128> use_xorg_monitor_settings seems fine to me
[10:03] <pitti> okay, merci
[10:04] <pitti> followed up to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631388
[10:04] <ubot2> Gnome bug 631388 in plugins "Add gconf key to disable automatic xrandr settings without conf files" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:04] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:04] <seb128> "If this is False,
[10:04] <seb128>                      the monitor settings are not touched at all"
[10:04] <seb128> not sure if we should add "and there is no xml configuration"
[10:05] <seb128> well that's only a gconf key so let's not bother
[10:05] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[10:05] <seb128> how are you?
[10:05] <pitti> yes, I'm rewriting the description for the negated semantics now
[10:05] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[10:05] <chrisccoulson> i'm good thanks seb128, how are you?
[10:05] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you too?
[10:05] <seb128> I'm fine
[10:05] <pitti> I'm great, thanks
[10:07] <seb128> pitti, I've no strong opinion either way for the key semantic and reading again what federico said it seemed it doesn't either
[10:08] <seb128> just pick one get the patch in this way
[10:08] <pitti> seb128: I take it Frederico wants this on by default
[10:08] <seb128> well that's what the last line from the IRC log suggests
[10:08] <pitti> seb128: he wants it to be "False" by default, i. e. apply the gsd settings by default
[10:08] <pitti> thus it means he wants it to have the "use xorg settings" semantics
[10:09] <seb128> "leaning toward a do-not-touch kind of name now, with
[10:09] <seb128> False by default - if you need to make it True, it means that you have a
[10:09] <seb128> special case due to your X setup anyway"
[10:09] <pitti> right, I think the "special case" is when you need the gsd logic, but that's where we apparently disagree
[10:09] <seb128> well the "special case" is misleading
[10:09] <baptistemm> RAOF: didrocks suggested me to me you about bug 654768
[10:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654768 in xorg (Ubuntu) "GTK+ artefact in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654768
[10:09] <pitti> but I'd rather hhave a high probability of having this key name being accepted upstream
[10:10] <seb128> yes, he thinks that's cases where g-s-d get it wrong are special cases
[10:10] <pitti> okay
[10:10] <seb128> like the first on the bug is using nvidia drivers and the monitor has a buggy EDID
[10:10] <pitti> and I have two monitors with different resolutions
[10:11] <seb128> well I'm not sure your case is a bug
[10:11] <rodrigo_> jono, having problems with desktopcouch?
[10:11] <pitti> well, gdm switches from 1280x1024 to 1024x768, and my sessio back to 1280
[10:11] <pitti> I consider this a bug
[10:11] <seb128> your session has 1280 because you have a stored config
[10:11] <pitti> two unnecessary mode swtiches, flicker, and slow boot
[10:12] <seb128> it would be interesting to know why it prefers 1024 though
[10:12] <seb128> I get a lower resolution there on the external monitor but that was already the case in lucid
[10:12] <jono> rodrigo_, yeah, you saw that bug?
[10:12] <seb128> that's because it sets the screen in mirror by default
[10:12] <seb128> so the external monitor get the laptop config
[10:13] <rodrigo_> jono, no, looking
[10:13] <seb128> lid closed doesn't make a difference because lid status detection is not something working
[10:14] <dpm> hi everyone. While testing the final maverick language packs, I've noticed that the gnome-language-selector translations are missing (bug 654548). Would it be possible to do a new upload of language-selector including an export of LP translations and bypassing pkgbinarymangler's translation-stripping part? It would be a workaround, but this way we'd have a translated language-selector without the need of new language packs.
[10:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654548 in ubuntu-translations "Language selector translation is missing from the final Maverick language packs (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654548
[10:14] <jono> rodrigo_, evo basically won't load my U1 address book
[10:15] <seb128> dpm, did you figure why the translations are not in the current export?
[10:16] <dpm> seb128, no, not yet, I have to check out the export tarballs first
[10:16] <dpm> tarball
[10:17] <seb128> dpm, you might want to ask on #ubuntu-release for whether we can still get an upload with the translations from launchpad
[10:17] <seb128> it's getting late
[10:17] <dpm> seb128, ok, good point, will do that, thanks
[10:17] <rodrigo_> jono, yeah, I've seen it, desktopcouch having problems with credentials it seems
[10:19] <jono> rodrigo_, ahhh
[10:19] <jono> it seemed the bug priority was pretty low
[10:21] <didrocks> seb128: do you know some duplicate reports about bug #641102 ? It seems some people are getting it in the french community. I can't confirm it
[10:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641102 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Desktop is frozen after login on battery (msi u210) (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641102
[10:22] <seb128> no
[10:23] <rodrigo_> jono, see my comment on the bug
[10:23] <didrocks> ok, if we don't get duplicates, seems to be related to that hw then. Thanks
[10:23] <seb128> well I'm not sure where those duplicates would get open
[10:25] <didrocks> yeah, can be other assigned to a lot of gnome components depending on what the user think, right :) but if you didn't read any others, I think that's already a clue it's not a widely spread one
[10:32] <sabdfl> Cimi: hi
[10:37] <pitti> hey sabdfl, how are you?
[10:37] <sabdfl> pitti: good thanks, enjoying UIST 2010 in NYC with oubiwann-away and johnlea
[10:37] <pitti> you're up early then
[10:38] <pitti> seb128: hah, now maverick is a work of perfection -- gdm unbroken :)
[10:38] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[10:39] <seb128> pitti, btw did you investigate what change in start time between lucid and maverick out of that one?
[10:39] <pitti> seb128: 5 seconds is due to me changing my swap partition
[10:39] <pitti> this causes the "resume" and "wait-for-root" initramfs scripts to wait for 5 secs
[10:39] <pitti> seb128: about two seconds was for the extra mode switch
[10:40] <pitti> I haven't looked at the other bits yet
[10:40] <pitti> I'll just reinstall this machine with the final maverick candidates anyway
[10:42] <seb128> pitti, can you join #ubuntu-release?
[10:43] <pitti> seb128: done
[10:44] <seb128> pitti, danke
[10:47] <slomo> didrocks: your banshee empty-library-notification patch is wrong, it also shows the notification if your search doesn't give any results
[10:48] <didrocks> slomo: right, I know. I didn't have the time to polish this unfortunately and I don't know enough of banshee internals to strip that case. patch welcomed (or I can talk to bertrand when he got some time) :)
[10:49] <pitti> seb128: bug 640807 updated with the patch links -- would you mind eyeballing this and add your signoff to the bug?
[10:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640807 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "automatic xrandr module misconfigures monitors (affects: 13) (dups: 3) (heat: 54)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640807
[10:50] <slomo> didrocks: ok, maybe drop that patch then? that's more confusing than an empty library imho :P
[10:50] <seb128> pitti, reviewing it
[10:51] <didrocks> slomo: the empty library is really confusing in the case of the netbook ui
[10:51] <didrocks> slomo: and also, it seems that you are making a search on something you don't have, then, I can make sense to tell "you can drop your music there…"
[10:53] <slomo> didrocks: well, it was a typo.. but yes, it could make sense but for a search without results a different message would be better :)
[10:53] <didrocks> slomo: I agree. I'm hoping someone to step on that or having some time next week
[10:53] <didrocks> but I have to look at banshee factory for that
[10:55] <seb128> pitti, isn't the check reversed?
[10:55] <seb128> pitti, no ignore me
[10:55] <seb128> pitti, seems fine to me, +1
[10:55] <pitti> seb128: no, !use_xorg == use_my_own_logic
[10:56] <seb128> right ;-)
[10:58] <seb128> urg, suck, I delete my gpg key on this box by error
[10:59] <seb128> can some upload language-selector with a "export NO_PKG_MANGLE=1"
[10:59] <seb128> in the rules?
[10:59] <seb128> pitti, chrisccoulson: ^
[10:59] <pitti> can do
[10:59] <seb128> I suck, I managed to delete my gpg dir
[10:59] <pitti> seb128: does this have a bug already?
[11:00] <seb128> I will fetch a backup over lunch
[11:00] <pitti> seb128: ouch -- do you have a backup of your key?
[11:00] <pitti> *phew*
[11:00] <seb128> pitti, bug #654548
[11:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654548 in ubuntu-translations "Language selector translation is missing from the final Maverick language packs (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654548
[11:00] <seb128> pitti, yes ;-)
[11:00] <seb128> though in any case it would not be the end of the world, I really need to do a new key
[11:00] <seb128> mine is 10 years old
[11:01] <seb128> it's on old standards
[11:04] <pitti> seb128: g-s-d uploaded, but I can't self-approve it
[11:05] <seb128> I guess cjwatson can review it for us?
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, sorry, i went to make tea
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> before realising my kettle has died ;)
[11:06] <seb128> you stopped drinking coffee?
[11:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no worry, pitti is on it ;-)
[11:06] <pitti> no, I'm not
[11:07] <pitti> I can't fix chrisccoulson's kettle!
[11:07] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:07] <seb128> you should!
[11:07] <seb128> ;-)
[11:07] <chrisccoulson> i think i should make some coffee instead ;)
[11:07] <pitti> <jedi wave>this is not the beverage you are looking for
[11:07] <seb128> well he was not apparently but the kettle broke
[11:08] <seb128> somewhat the universe wants him to drink coffee
[11:08] <seb128> ;-)
[11:08] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[11:14] <seb128> brb session restart
[11:16] <pitti> rickspencer3: hey, good morning
[11:17] <pitti> seb128: yay, gsd got accepted
[11:17] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey
[11:17] <pitti> maverick -> perfection \o/
[11:17] <seb128> pitti, waouh, you rock, thanks a lot
[11:17]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[11:17] <pitti> my pleasure
[11:17] <pitti> it was nagging me anyway
[11:17] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[11:18] <seb128> rickspencer3, how is London? are you in the office yet?
[11:31] <fta> is there a way to make evolution go offline/online from the outside? (i mean, a dbus signal or something)?
[11:38] <ara> didrocks, launchpad guys are having a look to the 502 issue
[11:39] <ara> didrocks, in the mean time, you may want to have a look to the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/simple-scan/+bug/655030
[11:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655030 in simple-scan (Ubuntu) "Simple Scan is crashing when scanning in Photo quality (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[11:39] <ara> didrocks, in the body I explain how to reproduce it (or at least, how I reproduce it)
[11:41] <didrocks> ara: ok, the only issue is that I've there only one scanner not compatible with ubuntu and mine is packed in a box. chrisccoulson do you have one handy, to confirm the crash? :)
[11:42] <didrocks> I can maybe just play with the trace, but it will be easier from someone which can reproduce it
[11:42] <didrocks> who*
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - yeah, i've got a huge scanner here
[11:42] <didrocks> huge? :)
[11:44] <ara> chrisccoulson, so it is bug 655030 if you can have a look :)
[11:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655030 in simple-scan (Ubuntu) "Simple Scan is crashing when scanning in Photo quality (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655030
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - yeah, i've got one of these: http://tinyurl.com/38688yf
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> it's massive ;)
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> ara - ok, i'll see if i can recreate it
[11:44] <ara> wow! that wouldn't fit in my 50m2 apartment
[11:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: waow, are you opening a shop? :-) thanks!
[11:45] <didrocks> during a firefox compilation, we know now what you are doing! :-)
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:48] <Cimi> davidbarth: we have sabdfl's approval for the merge of my branch
[11:49] <Cimi> davidbarth: I've spoken with daniel forè too, but he is doing things in the right way
[11:49] <Cimi> so, the right behaviour is with some padding as we have now
[11:49] <ara> rickspencer3, hello!
[11:50] <rickspencer3> hi ara, didrocks, seb128 .... you may be shocked to learn I am in a meeting :/
[11:50] <sabdfl> bad habit, that
[11:51] <ara> rickspencer3, whenever you're free during the day, I would like to have a quick chat with you
[11:51] <ara> (if you ever have some spare moment during the day)
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, simple-scan doesn't scan anything from my scanner in maverick
[11:56] <didrocks> ok, crashed once again
[11:57] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok, but that breaks with the additional application launchers at the bottom of the menu
[11:58] <davidbarth> Cimi: so for those, there should be some extra -panel versions, at least the ones we know will be used in this context
[11:59] <davidbarth> Cimi: said -panel versions would have the extra padding, it that ends up being the right/standardized way of arranging icons layout
[12:02] <Cimi> davidbarth: sabdfl is ok with the triangle touching the icon
[12:02] <sabdfl> more than OK, that was the intention, a la the Unity launcher
[12:02] <Cimi> davidbarth: I've shown him the screenshots
[12:03] <Cimi> so go and merge my branch man! :P
[12:07] <davidbarth> Cimi: hold on, which screenshot was approved? because i need to trace that back to the right branch and double check the values
[12:07] <Cimi> davidbarth: mines and yours
[12:07] <davidbarth> Cimi: we tried a few combinations with 4 or 5 pixel width and chaotic was mentioning that the 4 pix. version was too small, while the 5 pix. one had the triangle too close
[12:07] <Cimi> your with conv oo
[12:07] <Cimi> yes
[12:08] <Cimi> sabdfl: tell davidbarth you like the triangle touching the icon here: http://imagebin.org/116943
[12:08] <Cimi> he doesn't trust me :)
[12:14] <davidbarth> Cimi: ah, thanks for the link
[12:15] <Cimi> davidbarth: having a server with an always-on connection to irc helps a lot ;)
[12:15] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok, so it's your branch, without changes; great
[12:18] <Cimi> jbache: the issue with qt and light-themes was fixed
[12:18] <Cimi> so, cool and thanks for your work
[12:19] <jbache> Cimi: I noticed after I updated to 10.10. Cool to have it resolved so fast
[12:19] <Cimi> that's because you were fast ;)
[12:20] <Cimi> communication with upstream developers is really important, ehehe seb128 :-P
[12:20] <jbache> Cimi: we are looking into the font issue as well But that will have to wait for the next cycle
[12:20] <Cimi> jbache: font issue? which one?
[12:21] <jbache> Cimi: the hint style in Qt doesnt allways match Gtk+. It has been bugging me for a while. Especially if you play around with font settings.
[12:22] <jbache> Cimi: Patch is difficult as in order for Qt to do what Gtk does, we have to sacrifice font-specific hint-settings. (i.e use xconfig). Hopefully we can find some sort of compromise
[12:23] <Cimi> jbache: it's impossible for you to ask the engine to draw the layout?
[12:24] <jbache> Cimi: No font rendering is not done by the theme engine. We use the same way to draw fonts but Qt and Gtk are using different ways of interpreting your settings.
[12:25] <Cimi> ok
[12:25] <sabdfl> Cimi: yes, i'm happy with it in both ambiance and radiance
[12:26] <Cimi> davidbarth: ^^
[12:27] <davidbarth> sabdfl, Cimi: ok, thanks; i've approved the branch now
[12:29] <Cimi> supercool, thanks
[13:14] <seb128> hum
[13:14] <seb128> mvo, !!!
[13:14] <seb128> $ apt-cache rdepends libglade2
[13:14] <seb128> E: Handler silently failed
[13:15] <seb128> ok, somewhat my fault for using the wrong binary name :p
[13:15] <seb128> but the message is not great either ;-)
[13:17] <mdeslaur> seb128: LP: #647045
[13:18] <seb128> bug #647045
[13:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 647045 in apt (Ubuntu) "[maverick] apt-cache rdepends returns cryptic error message (affects: 1) (heat: 581)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/647045
[13:18] <seb128> hey mdeslaur btw
[13:18] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[13:18] <mvo> thanks seb128 and mdeslaur
[13:18] <mvo> seb128: and don't use !!! in the release week, I almost had a heart attack ;)
[13:18] <seb128> lol
[13:18]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[13:19]  * mvo hugs seb128 back
[13:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, Cimi: is there any bug about firefox menus don't having the same text color on selection than GTK softwares?
[13:19] <seb128> using the light theme
[13:20] <seb128> like the text is white on grey which is hard to read
[13:27] <Cimi> seb128: you mean inactive text?
[13:28] <seb128> Cimi, no, I mean the text of the selected menu in the menubar
[13:28] <seb128> ie "Edit"
[13:28] <seb128> in firefox
[13:29] <Cimi> the text is white
[13:29] <Cimi> the menubaritem is dark
[13:29] <Cimi> sshot please?
[13:29] <seb128> I'm using the light theme
[13:29] <seb128> sure, one min
[13:34] <seb128> Cimi, chrisccoulson: http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/theme.png
[13:35] <seb128> Cimi, see the text under the cursor
[13:35] <seb128> it's white
[13:36] <Cimi> true
[13:36] <Cimi> I was using ambiance
[13:36] <Cimi> known firefox bug :(
[13:36] <Cimi> the menubaritem is seen as a menuitem
[13:36] <Cimi> so it reads the gtkmenuitem text color
[13:36] <Cimi> but not the bg
[13:37] <seb128> ok
[13:38] <seb128> I will check if the bug is tracked with chrisccoulson when he's back from lunch
[13:38] <seb128> Cimi, thanks
[13:38] <Cimi> thanks for nothing seb :(
[13:38] <Cimi> I don't know how to fix this bug
[13:38] <Cimi> let me thing
[13:49] <Cimi> seb128: maybe using a custom userstyle script or editing chrome.css
[13:49] <Cimi> (maybe)
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> seb128 , Cimi - see mozilla bug 461530 perhaps
[13:50] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 461530 in General "Firefox does not fully adhere to GTK+2/GNOME theme in Linux" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461530
[13:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the bug indicates the menubar issue has been fixed and point to another bug
[13:51] <seb128> do we have this supposed fix in our version?
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that bug is quite old
[13:52] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: but why we are reproducing that bug, then?
[13:54] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure, it seems like the text is white with any theme
[13:56] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: because it is using the gtkmenuitem text
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can see that now
[13:58] <Cimi> could you check if that patch was applied?
[13:59] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: ^^
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the patch was applied ages ago
[14:00] <Cimi> so I have no ideas why it is not working
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll take a look at it later on today
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> i've got security updates to work on first though
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> which takes higher priority unfortunately
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> it should be pretty easy to figure out
[14:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, there was no hurry there I was just wondering if that's something known and being worked
[14:02] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: the patch is broken
[14:02] <Cimi> :-)
[14:02] <Cimi> just read the code
[14:02] <Cimi> sMenuBarHoverText = GDK_COLOR_TO_NS_RGB(style->fg[GTK_STATE_SELECTED]);
[14:02] <Cimi> it should be
[14:02] <Cimi> sMenuBarHoverText = GDK_COLOR_TO_NS_RGB(style->fg[GTK_STATE_PRELIGHT]);
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i thought it would be something like that. all this code is doing is creating a few widgets just to get their style
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> and then getting rid of them again ;)
[14:04] <seb128> mvo, so tell me, will we still have synaptic in the default installation next cycle?
[14:04] <anmar> pitti: regarding the HD spin down issue. How can we get the old behaviour? can we disable the "spin down" option in power manager since it is misleading?
[14:04] <mvo> seb128: maybe not
[14:04] <seb128> mvo, I don't want a maybe reply ;-)
[14:05] <seb128> mvo, joke aside what are the plans for next cycle? why do we still need it?
[14:05] <mvo> I think we will not need it, but I don't know from the top of my head what might still use it
[14:05] <Cimi> seb128: ^^
[14:05] <Cimi> seb128: I've figured out the issue
[14:05] <pitti> anmar: the "old" behaviour as in maverick alpha? you could just change the power.d hook
[14:05] <seb128> Cimi, it's just changing selected to prelight?
[14:06] <anmar> pitti: Ahh... I see.. ok. thanks a lot.
[14:06] <Cimi> seb128: I think so
[14:06] <seb128> Cimi, I'm not sure I fancy building firefox only to test that though ;-) I might just wait for chriscoulson to do a rebuild for another reason to test it
[14:06] <pitti> anmar: the nonworking option in power-manager seems to be a separate issue
[14:06] <pitti> anmar: it's still a bug, of course
[14:08] <Cimi> seb128: me could fix that even in radiance
[14:08] <Cimi> seb128: it is working, though I'm not sure if it's sane enough
[14:09] <seb128> Cimi, well better to fix it in firefox if the one liner you suggested works
[14:09] <ara> chrisccoulson, so, did you get the chance to have a look to the simple-scan bug?
[14:09] <Cimi> I am worried about other themes
[14:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^ do you think you could sneak that change in your next build?
[14:09] <Cimi> we might need to test it
[14:09] <seb128> Cimi, you think they have workarounds for it and would break? or is using prelight wrong for a reason?
[14:09] <Cimi> I think they might be using selected for a wrong reason
[14:10] <Cimi> and prelight may broke them
[14:10] <Cimi> *break
[14:10]  * kenvandine grumbles about simple, obvious bugs being discovered after RC!
[14:10] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[14:10] <seb128> which one?
[14:10] <Cimi> good morning ken :)
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i could get that in,  it's a pretty trivial change
[14:11] <kenvandine> "Setup broadcast accounts" in the messaging menu...
[14:11] <Cimi> seb128: he is making joke of us
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> ara - i couldn't recreate it :(
[14:11] <kenvandine> doesn't prompt you to setup accounts
[14:11] <kenvandine> it opens an empty gwibber window
[14:11] <seb128> great
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> but i am using a network scanner. i could try and connect it directly via USB later on, but i need to move the scanner first
[14:11] <seb128> kenvandine, you can still get that in today
[14:11] <ara> chrisccoulson, OK, thanks
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> (although, i suppose i could just put my laptop on it) ;)
[14:11] <kenvandine> during the sqlite switch the account detection code was removed :/
[14:11] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah... i will have a fix in a moment
[14:12] <kenvandine> annoying that such obvious things get missed, can't believe in all my testing i missed that
[14:12]  * kenvandine adds that to the list of test cases to add to the desktop testing project :)
[14:12]  * bcurtiswx_ waves to didrocks
[14:13] <didrocks> hey bcurtiswx_
[14:13] <kenvandine> in fact, i'll add the test case before i fix it :)
[14:13] <seb128> ;-)
[14:13] <bcurtiswx_> where is this list, i'd be interested in what has been selected for empathy
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - that change is ok as a SRU isn't it? i'm pretty unlikely to get it built and tested today unfrtunately
[14:18] <Cimi> seb128: so I might need to add a simple workaround in radiance
[14:19] <seb128> Cimi, you think it's safer than fixing firefox then?
[14:19] <seb128> seems fine as well
[14:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, no firefox upload now, work on your security update rather ;-)
[14:19] <Cimi> so you think there's a place where selected fg color is used in the menubar?
[14:22] <seb128> I would think not but I'm not sure
[14:22] <seb128> seems a bit late to try and have somebody noticing issues after the upload
[14:22] <Cimi> but we will fix firefox
[14:22] <Cimi> which might be a bigger advantage
[14:22] <seb128> we should yes
[14:23] <seb128> well the default theme is ok right?
[14:23] <Cimi> yes
[14:24] <Cimi> just radiance
[14:25] <njin> hello to all; i've a bug report concerning in loss of favourites due to upgratde to MM UNR but i don't use UNR and i don't know at wich package assign the bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/654969
[14:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654969 in ubuntu "unr favorites lost on upgrade to maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:25] <njin> Thanks in advance
[14:25] <seb128> njin, hey
[14:26] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[14:26] <njin> seb128: didrocks?
[14:26] <seb128> njin, what do you call unr 2d? in maverick we have unity and it fallback to GNOME if 3d is not working
[14:27] <didrocks> njin: one second, let me look at the bug report
[14:27] <seb128> njin, I'm pinging didrocks who maintains UNE
[14:27] <seb128> njin, he can probably better reply to your issue
[14:27] <Cimi> ahah njin thought didrocks was the package maybe :D
[14:27] <njin> seb128:LOL
[14:27] <didrocks> Cimi: is that a promotion? :-)
[14:27] <Cimi> ahah
[14:27] <didrocks> njin: the favorites you lost, are they webpage bookmarks by any chance?
[14:28] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx_,  http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications
[14:28] <njin> didrocks: no he talk about launchrs
[14:28] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, thx
[14:29] <didrocks> njin: in UNE lucid, launchers can be webpage bookmarks
[14:29] <seb128> njin, could you give example of launchers which have been dropped
[14:29] <njin> ok, i ask to the reporter more infos.
[14:29] <njin> Thanks to all
[14:29] <didrocks> njin: ok, then ask him first to name of the favorites he lost
[14:30]  * ara hugs kenvandine for adding gwibber testcases :)
[14:30] <seb128> ara, how is the testing effort going btw?
[14:30]  * kenvandine hugs ara for being awesome!
[14:30] <didrocks> njin: thanks, keep us in touch :)
[14:31] <seb128> ara, btw I just noticed that page doesn't test our default photo manager
[14:31] <njin> ok
[14:31] <seb128> there is still f-spot listed
[14:31] <ara> seb128, yes, we need test cases, first :)
[14:31] <seb128> I see ;-)
[14:31] <ara> seb128, nevertheless, the testing cycle is finished for Maverick now, it went pretty well. I would like to discuss it during UDS to make it even better in Natty :)
[14:32] <seb128> I didn't have much time for it but I will try to join the discuss and help a bit next cycle
[14:32] <Cimi> seb128: I think that no app is using selected in menubar
[14:33] <seb128> ok, so doing the change should be ok
[14:33] <seb128> can you talk to kenvandine to get that uploaded?
[14:34] <Cimi> seb128: can I add a small fix too?
[14:34] <Cimi> there's something printed in the terminal
[14:34] <Cimi> (odd_row color etc etc)
[14:34] <seb128> yes
[14:34] <Cimi> ok
[14:35] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ can you sponsor the light-themes fixes from Cimi when they will be ready, should be an easy update
[14:35] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:35] <Cimi> I'll update the deb package as well ;)
[14:37] <seb128> cyphermox, mterry: hey
[14:37] <mterry> seb128, yo
[14:38] <seb128> hey mterry, how are you?
[14:38] <mterry> seb128, good.  What's up?
[14:38] <seb128> mterry, how busy are you?
[14:38] <seb128> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gtkbuilder
[14:38] <mterry> seb128, I can take something
[14:39] <seb128> would be nice to get starting on cleaning some old techs for next cycle
[14:39] <seb128> I just wanted to point that list
[14:39] <cyphermox> seb128, hey
[14:39] <seb128> if one of you have time and want to help mvo by porting synaptic or apturl to gtkbuilder
[14:39] <mterry> seb128, ah sure.  Would be fun
[14:39] <seb128> the checkbox and software-properties bugs show has having vcs code, that might need an update
[14:40] <cyphermox> seb128, pitti, I had a patch for the use_xorg_... but was also looking at the preferred mode part :/ pitti is too fast ;)
[14:40] <seb128> cyphermox, hello, how are you?
[14:40] <cyphermox> seb128, doing pretty good :)
[14:40] <pitti> hey cyphermox
[14:40] <cyphermox> pitti, hey :)
[14:40] <seb128> cyphermox, sorry we wanted to get that in before the freeze and there was no update on the bug this morning
[14:40] <pitti> cyphermox: sorry, I didn't know that you were working on it
[14:40] <seb128> cyphermox, if you would still figure why it's getting the mode wrongs that would be useful
[14:40] <cyphermox> seb128, right, I understand. in hindsight I should have set it in progress and proposed that patch first
[14:40] <seb128> that's still a bug
[14:40] <cyphermox> yup
[14:41] <seb128> would -> could
[14:41] <pitti> seb128: it's the same mode that X picks, FTR
[14:41] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[14:41]  * mvo hugs seb128
[14:41] <pitti> i. e. xrandr default, I assume
[14:41] <seb128> pitti, no
[14:41] <pitti> I have to create an xorg.conf to change the resolution to 1280x1024
[14:41] <seb128> pitti, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572502
[14:41] <ubot2> Gnome bug 572502 in libgnome-desktop "gnome-display-properties should pick the preferred xrandr mode" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[14:42] <seb128> pitti, xrandr has some cleverness to figure what the preferred mode is
[14:43] <seb128> mterry, if you start working on one of those gtkbuilder port or want to work on one please assign it to you
[14:43] <cyphermox> seb128, pitti, so I'm trying to look at the xrandr code and figure a way to massage that into something that could fit in g-s-d
[14:43] <seb128> cyphermox, ^
[14:43] <Cimi> seb128: kenvandine someone pls approve my membership of ubuntu artwork packagers
[14:43] <pitti> cyphermox: so, seems we worked on independent patches after all, good
[14:43] <Cimi> so that I can push to trunk
[14:43] <seb128> cyphermox, it should probably be in gnome-desktop I guess
[14:43] <seb128> Cimi, I'm not admin of this team but I guess davidbarth can?
[14:43] <seb128> davidbarth, ^
[14:44] <cyphermox> pitti, I did have the same patch for the gconf key, but was still missing the schema part when I went to bed
[14:44] <seb128> cyphermox, sorry about the work duplication there
[14:44] <seb128> well it was not days of work at least
[14:44] <seb128> the change is pretty small
[14:44] <Cimi> and kwwii
[14:45] <cyphermox> pitti, no all good, it's good confirmation that I could understand enough how it works ;)
[14:45] <seb128> cyphermox, try to make sure you comment on bugs you start working on, or assign them to you
[14:45] <cyphermox> yeah - assign
[14:45] <cyphermox> seb128, and what about checkbox and software-properties?
[14:45] <seb128> cyphermox, usually I would have waited for you to be online to check how work was going but since freeze is rsn and we wanted that in before
[14:46] <cyphermox> ah i see
[14:46] <cyphermox> yup
[14:46] <Cimi> seb128: or add me to "Ubuntu Desktop"
[14:46] <seb128> cyphermox, those have vcs icons, I'm not sure if the patches are working or uptodate though
[14:46] <seb128> cyphermox, if you want to check they still apply and work or update them please do
[14:46] <cyphermox> just saw them now
[14:48] <Cimi> seb128: ?
[14:48] <seb128> Cimi, no, ubuntu desktop gives access to the whole GNOME packaging and we have rules that people need a minimal number of GNOME updates before joining that team
[14:49] <seb128> Cimi, davidbarth should be able to add you to the artwork packagers one when he's back
[14:50] <Cimi> seb128: OT: why "128"?
[14:50] <Cimi> :-)
[14:51] <seb128> boring reason
[14:51] <soren> seb, seb1, seb2, seb3..., seb127 were all taken?
[14:51] <seb128> "seb" is usually taken, "seb2" "seb3" etc as well
[14:51] <Cimi> ahah
[14:51] <seb128> so I just picked a random power of 2
[14:51] <Cimi> ahah
[14:51] <Cimi> ok
[14:51] <soren> Wow. I was closer than I thought :)
[14:51] <seb128> and it sticked ;-)
[14:51] <seb128> soren, you probably had the explanation before at some uds or allhand though :p
[14:52] <seb128> no?
[14:52] <seb128> that's not the first time somebody asks about it ;-)
[14:52] <Cimi> eheh curiosity, I am curious
[14:52] <soren> seb128: I remember my first AllHands where everyone with odd nicks had to explain them. I don't think you were among them.
[14:53] <seb128> I went on the stage to explain my once
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> i don't think my nick needs any explaining ;)
[14:53] <seb128> I'm not sure where it was though, I think in Boston
[14:53] <soren> seb128: Nor was I (I was "shawarma" at the time) and nor was cjwatson (who were "Kamion" at the time).
[14:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you are a boring man :p
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> thanks ;)
[14:53] <soren> seb128: Yep, this was in Boston.
[14:53] <soren> seb128: Well, Plymouth.
[14:53] <seb128> you're welcome ;-)
[14:53] <seb128> soren, I did explain mine there :p
[14:53] <soren> seb128: Ah.
[14:54] <nosluoccsirhc> is that better? ;)
[14:54] <seb128> lol
[14:54] <Cimi> lol
[14:54] <seb128> you didn't even made typo
[14:54] <seb128> that's not fun :p
[14:54] <nosluoccsirhc> heh, i was careful ;)
[14:54] <imiC> omg
[14:54] <nosluoccsirhc> lol
[14:55]  * pitti looks that up in a Klingon dictionary
[14:55] <nosluoccsirhc> :)
[14:55] <pitti> nosluoccsirhc: ... it means "if you don't bring me a blood wine right now, I'll cut your throat!"
[14:55] <nosluoccsirhc> lol
[14:57] <davidbarth> Cimi: which team do you need to be on?
[14:58] <pitti> chrisccoulson: what about /nick uosןnoɔɔsıɹɥɔ ?
[14:58] <Cimi> davidbarth: Ubuntu Artwork Packagers
[14:58] <Cimi> so I can push to light-themes
[14:58] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I promise, it'll make your IRC life a lot quieter!
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> pitti - that's a good idea ;)
[14:58] <pitti> freenode -- | ıʇʇıd: Erroneous Nickname
[14:59] <pitti> bah
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i just tried it too ;)
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> ooh, i've just fired up my karmic KVM and i have the wonderful sight of xsplash
[15:00] <seb128> lol
[15:02] <davidbarth> Cimi: sorry, i can't add you to the team, i'm not an admin for it
[15:03] <Cimi> yeah
[15:03] <Cimi> let me push on a separate branch then
[15:04] <Cimi> seb128: kenvandine https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/light-themes/firefox-radiance-menubaritem-fix/+merge/37603
[15:08] <kenvandine> Cimi, i can merge that
[15:09] <seb128> thanks guys
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> oh, so we're going to work around it in the theme then?
[15:25] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: yes
[15:34] <seb128> dpm, hey
[15:34] <seb128> dpm, did you have a bug about the indicator-appmenu default menu not being translatable?
[15:35] <dpm> seb128, no, it was something I just noticed that day when we were talking about it. Do you want me to file one?
[15:36] <seb128> dpm, no, for info it's fixed by https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=622658
[15:36] <ubot2> Gnome bug 622658 in gtk "GTK_STOCK_FILE Stock Label" [Trivial,Resolved: fixed]
[15:36] <seb128> dpm, http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=164548
[15:36] <seb128> we will try to get in the next gtk update
[15:36] <dpm> seb128, ah, cool, thanks for the heads up
[15:37] <seb128> dpm, you're welcome
[15:44] <kenvandine> Cimi, seb128: light-themes merged and uploaded
[15:44] <Cimi> super cool
[15:44] <Cimi> thanks
[15:44] <seb128> great work
[15:44] <kenvandine> seb128, uploaded gwibber too...
[15:44] <kenvandine> so annoyed by that bug...
[15:44] <seb128> thanks Cimi kenvandine
[15:44] <kenvandine> seb128, i am about to finish murrine
[15:44] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, it seemed you are taking it personnaly that it didn't get noticed before :p
[15:45] <kenvandine> was updating the copyright file last night... but decided to look over when i was not over-tired :)
[15:45] <seb128> well at least you got it before the release
[15:45] <seb128> kenvandine, ok
[15:46] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah... well i kept using the "Broadcast Accounts... " launcher in the me-menu during install testing
[15:46] <kenvandine> never even occurred to me to try the messaging menu on first run
[15:46] <kenvandine> also annoyed when people remove chunks of code without adding a "FIXME" at least :)
[15:47] <seb128> you don't review commits the way dx is doing for gwibber right?
[15:47] <seb128> code reviews are nice for those sort of things ;-)
[15:47] <kenvandine> i do actually :)
[15:47] <kenvandine> but
[15:48] <kenvandine> this was part of the massive couch->sqlite change
[15:48] <kenvandine> which included entire python files changing number of spaces for indent...
[15:48] <kenvandine> impossible to compare every line...
[15:48] <seb128> oh right
[15:48] <seb128> well with some luck that was a one time situation
[15:49] <kenvandine> yeah... well gwibber is working the best it has in a long time :)
[15:49] <njin> hello, here again for bug 654969
[15:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654969 in ubuntu "unr favorites lost on upgrade to maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654969
[15:49] <njin> loss favorites were firefox, evolution, cheese, empathy, ubuntunsoftware center, openoffice spreadsheet, open office writer, updatenmanager, and fspot. After upgrading to 10.10, only openofficenspreadsheet, open office writer, update manager, and fspot remained.
[15:50] <njin> didrocks, seb128: ^^
[15:50] <didrocks> hum, weird, default favorites are added back and are hardcoded
[15:51] <didrocks> so, there is something weird in that report :)
[15:51] <didrocks> firefox, evolution, cheese, empathy, ubuntunsoftwarek center
[15:51] <didrocks> -> those are hardcoded
[15:51] <didrocks> I'll ask in the bug report
[15:52] <seb128> what is the 2d UNR in maverick?
[15:53] <didrocks> oh good point
[15:53] <didrocks> thanks seb128
[15:54] <didrocks> was going to be crazy :)
[15:54] <didrocks> it's still netbook-launcher-efl
[15:54] <didrocks> and they change the favorite path
[15:54] <didrocks> I think, they didn't think about migration
[15:56] <didrocks> njin: ok, set to the right package and added a comment
[15:56] <didrocks> thanks again seb128, I was going in the wrong path :)
[15:57] <seb128> didrocks, you're welcome
[15:58] <mpt> tremolux, hi, is "Independent" supposed to be appearing by itself now?
[15:58] <jcastro> who on -desktop is responsible for the likewise bits? Upstream is asking some questions and I'd like to point them someplace, or should I point them to -desktop list?
[15:59] <tremolux> mpt: hey, it would except there is currently nothing in extras.ubuntu.com
[15:59] <seb128> jcastro: pitti
[15:59] <seb128> or he has been in contact with those guys before
[15:59] <seb128> but likewise isn't something desktopish really
[15:59] <jcastro> ok, there appears to be someone new and I want to put him in the right place
[15:59] <jcastro> and the -server folks were clear that likewise is yours
[16:00] <jcastro> I asked. :)
[16:03] <mpt> tremolux, I followed your ppa:app-review-board/ppa instructions, and two minutes and two launches later, it's not showing up. Is it still supposed to?
[16:03] <jcastro> seb128: is the ownership of the package in dispute? I don't want to step in a server/desktop issue and drag the upstream with it
[16:03] <^arky^> hi mpt
[16:03] <mpt> hi ^arky^
[16:03] <^arky^> You sent me a email ? wondering what was it about?
[16:04] <tremolux> mpt: there's nothing in the app-review-board PPA either now, extras is a mirror of that
[16:04] <mpt> ^arky^, oh, just because you helped us out with Ubuntu Software Center
[16:05] <mpt> tremolux, ok. So it will appear automatically, for everyone, when the first application arrives?
[16:06] <tremolux> mpt: yes
[16:06] <mpt> ok
[16:06] <^arky^> mpt, oh! I thought you were coming down to hanoi coz you asked for my address
[16:06] <jcastro> seb128: I am under the impression that both teams maintain different parts of it?
[16:06] <seb128> jcastro: check with pitti or rickspencer3, they know what was going on
[16:07] <tremolux> mpt: sounds like we need another test package there tho, as I'm not sure when any of the package for review will make their way through
[16:07] <seb128> jcastro: I didn't get by then why it would be a desktop thing, but pitti worked with them and probably knows better
[16:08] <jcastro> ok
[16:13] <^arky^> mpt, if you like my work please do leave a good testimonial on my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/arky
[16:13] <mpt> ^arky^, will do
[16:13] <^arky^> mpt, thanks will get back to you with more a11y bugs after ubuntu+1
[16:16] <mterry> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu/maverick/apturl/gtkbuilder/+merge/37619
[16:19] <seb128> mvo, ^
[16:20] <seb128> mterry, seems fine from a quick glance, great work ;-)
[16:20] <pitti> jcastro: the upstream guys mostly maintain it by themselves, or at least used to
[16:20] <pitti> we by and large just sponsored changes
[16:20] <pitti> jcastro: we don't really have a clue about it, I'm afraid
[16:21] <seb128> mterry, feel free to claim the synaptic one as well if you want, mvo said that glade-3 didn't like the current .glade so be warned
[16:21] <mterry> seb128, k
[16:21] <seb128> mterry, ie opening and saving the .glade seems to create issues
[16:21] <jcastro> pitti: ok they have some fixes in a PPA and mathiaz has explained the basic workflow, what would you like me to do, make introductions or .. ?
[16:21] <jcastro> pitti: this is an excellent case for per package uploaders!
[16:23] <pitti> jcastro: Gerry and I already know each other
[16:23] <pitti> jcastro: well, I still had to make a lot of packaging corrections
[16:23] <pitti> I'm afraid they are not that far yet
[16:23] <pitti> jcastro: so far the workflow was that he mailed me or sub'ed me to a bug for sponsoring
[16:23] <jcastro> pitti: it appears to be a new person, scott salley
[16:24] <pitti> okay; so, from my POV the same would work -- just mail me or sub me to a bug for sponsoring or discussion
[16:24] <jcastro> ok
[16:26] <mterry> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu/maverick/system-config-printer/gtkbuilder/+merge/37621
[16:27] <mvo> mterry: woah, thanks :)
[16:28] <seb128> mterry, ;-)
[16:28] <jibel> cyphermox, thank you for taking care of synaptic :-)
[16:28] <seb128> fredp, hey
[16:29] <seb128> fredp, how do you build your http://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/299.html?
[16:29] <cyphermox>  jibel, it's *huge*, but slowly working on it ;)
[16:30] <seb128> hum
[16:30] <mvo> mterry: contracts, the merge is commit r100 in apturl trunk :)
[16:30] <fredp> seb128: there is a twoninetynine command in jhbuild, in the release-team-commands branch.
[16:30] <fredp> seb128: there is also a more generic goalreport command, used to produce the reports in http://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/reports/
[16:30] <mterry> mvo, hah, patience is always rewarded
[16:31] <fredp> seb128: I should get it merged and documented.
[16:31] <seb128> mterry, ^ cyphermox started on synaptic it seems
[16:31] <mvo> cyphermox: you work on the gtkbuilder conversion? in what branch :) ? I'm eager to see and help
[16:31] <mterry> seb128, yeah I took too long on system-config-printer I guess :)
[16:31] <seb128> lol
[16:31] <seb128> fredp, ok thanks
[16:31] <seb128> quick session restart and brb
[16:32] <cyphermox> mvo, I am using lp:synaptic
[16:32] <cyphermox> mterry, I think we can split the work
[16:32] <mvo> cyphermox: excellent \o/
[16:33] <cyphermox> all I have done so far was convert the glade files automatically, there is still a lot to do ;)
[16:33] <mterry> cyphermox, is it easily divisible?  I suspect we'd step on each other a bit
[16:33] <mvo> manual inspection is probably still required, in the past it did eat some of the UI
[16:34] <mvo> there is stuff like RGGladeWindow that should be really easy to convert
[16:35] <cyphermox> mvo, yeah, there's a good amount of warnings at least w/r/t duplicate IDs
[16:37] <seb128> re
[16:37] <seb128> I will start opening some other series of bugs
[16:37] <seb128> starting by making our gtk software gtk3 compliant
[16:37] <seb128> softwares
[16:38] <seb128> mterry, ^ if you are running out of tasks of feel like doing some gtk3 porting feel free
[16:38] <seb128> ^ or anybody else interested
[16:39] <mterry> seb128, I'm looking at the twisted gtkbuilder bug now (though kinda low priority, since it's just a Suggests).  I could do gtk3 stuff next.  In particular, I have that appindicator series of patches to update
[16:39] <seb128> I guess making our current versions build with DISABLE_GTK_DEPRECATED is a start
[16:39] <mterry> seb128, also getting a version of gtk3 in the archive...  :)
[16:39] <seb128> the debian guys are working on that
[16:40] <mterry> nice
[16:40] <seb128> check with slomo if you want to help there
[16:40] <mterry> I'm good.  :)
[16:40] <seb128> they have some packaging in the pkg-gnome svn
[16:40] <seb128> I plan to get it in early next cycle
[16:40] <seb128> ie just after UDS
[16:40] <mterry> cool.  But yeah, easy to pave the way by removing deprecations
[16:40] <seb128> but meanwhile we can start by making sure ubuntu specific softwares build on gtk 2.22 with deprecations disabled
[16:41] <seb128> ie update-notified, language-selector, software-properties
[16:41] <mterry> seb128, is there a nice list on the wiki of stuff the desktop team maintains?  i.e. stuff we should port?
[16:41] <seb128> I will make a list and tag them and give the url on the channel
[16:42] <seb128> mterry, the topic versions.html is sort of what we maintain
[16:42] <seb128> but most of GNOME 2.32 builds with deprecated api turned off
[16:42] <mterry> seb128, yeah, but as upstreams I meant
[16:42] <seb128> they have been tracking it actively
[16:44] <seb128> mterry, I'm not sure
[16:44] <seb128> there was a wiki page with the code we write
[16:45] <seb128> mterry, I will open bugs based on the default install, but those are obvious ones to start on
[16:45] <seb128> update-notifier, language-selector, software-properties
[16:45] <mterry> seb128, sure
[16:45] <seb128> usb-creator
[16:45] <seb128> well I'm not so sure about pygtk softwares
[16:46] <seb128> I think the upstream plan is that things will use python3 and introspection
[16:46] <seb128> but introspection is still a moving part and the maverick version is a bit outdated
[16:46] <seb128> so we better wait a bit for those
[16:48] <mterry> seb128, I believe the plan is to transition such packages to py-gi
[16:48] <seb128> right, which is in pygobject now
[16:48] <seb128> so pygobject and introspection
[16:49] <seb128> but as said our introspection versions are a bit outdated
[16:49] <mvo> is py-gi in the archive yet?
[16:49] <seb128> mvo, it's in pygobject
[16:49] <seb128> mvo, import gi
[16:50] <mvo> python -c 'import gi'
[16:50] <mvo>  <- that gives me a error - is that expected?
[16:51] <kklimonda> no
[16:51] <mterry> mvo, I don't get an error
[16:52]  * mvo checks if he is outdated
[16:52] <mterry> seb128, do we know gi is broken in maverick or just suspect it?  It might work OK for the more static gtk2
[16:53] <seb128> mterry, it's not broken
[16:53] <seb128> it's just that our gobject-introspection is outdated
[16:53] <mterry> Sorry, broken in the sense of being outdated
[16:53] <seb128> we have 0.9.3
[16:53] <seb128> they rolled 0.9.5 10 days ago
[16:53] <seb128> which breaks abi
[16:53] <seb128> ie just when our freeze started
[16:53] <mterry> guh
[16:53] <seb128> they got like 5 updated tarballs since
[16:53] <seb128> so we didn't go for the abi break
[16:54] <seb128> the time was not great for maverick
[16:54] <didrocks> mterry: you will find some patches to revert commits for new gi in several packages
[16:55] <seb128> well usually it's just changing the makefile to not use new argument for the gir parser calls
[16:55] <seb128> mterry, I was thinking we should focus on plain C applications until UDS
[16:55] <seb128> then we decide at UDS what we do
[16:56] <seb128> then we can get a ppa with the new introspection stack and new gtk etc and work on those
[16:56] <didrocks> seb128: I didn't get the easy one it seems, no luck for me :-)
[16:56] <mterry> seb128, OK.  I'll start by looking at update-notifier, which as I recall is C
[16:59] <seb128> mterry,  update-notifier, language-selector, software-properties
[17:00] <seb128> mterry, just pick any of those yes ;-)
[17:00] <seb128> update-notifier seems fine
[17:00] <seb128> didrocks, oh right, you got vala ;-)
[17:00] <didrocks> and I liked it :-)
[17:00] <mterry> Oh, I thought language-selector and software-properties were python
[17:01] <mvo> yeah, those are python
[17:01] <mvo> only update-notifier is C (memory/startup performance)
[17:11] <seb128> mterry, doh, my mistake, sorry
[17:18] <seb128> mterry, ok, next one is notify-osd
[17:25] <seb128> mterry, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/655231
[17:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655231 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "should build without using GTK deprecations (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[17:26] <mterry> seb128, oh thanks, didn't look for a bug
[17:26] <mterry> oh
[17:26] <mterry> :)
[17:26] <seb128> mterry, I just opened one, I'm building a list and will take them ;-)
[17:26] <seb128> so we can track what needs to be done
[17:29] <seb128> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gtk3
[17:29] <seb128> ^
[17:29] <seb128> I will keep adding bugs on this list for those interested
[17:30] <seb128>  
[17:30] <seb128> ok, it's meeting time
[17:31] <mterry> seb128, your list of deprecations should include -DGSEAL_ENABLE and probably the glib deprecation flag too (G_DISABLE_DEPRECATIONS)
[17:31] <seb128> didrocks, mterry, chrisccoulson, Riddell, tremolux, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter: hello
[17:31] <didrocks> seb128: hey
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> ooh, that time already
[17:31] <tremolux> howdy
[17:31] <mterry> yo
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> today just seems to have disappeared!
[17:31]  * pedro_ waves
[17:31] <seb128> mterry, oh right, I wanted to check after the meeting, I just filed those in a hurry, thanks ;-)
[17:31] <Riddell> oh aye, meeting
[17:32] <tkamppeter> hi
[17:32] <cyphermox> howdy
[17:32] <seb128> hello everybody
[17:32] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-10-05
[17:32] <seb128> let's start and keep that short, I don't think there is lot to discuss this week
[17:33] <seb128> kenvandine, partner update?
[17:33] <seb128> ok, no kenvandine
[17:33] <seb128> Riddell, hey, kubuntu update?
[17:34] <Riddell> yo
[17:34] <Riddell>  * We're ready for release!  No major problems in today's images
[17:34] <Riddell>  * http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 9 tagged bugs, all acceptable for release
[17:34] <Riddell>  * Qt update for GTK style will be a SRU
[17:34] <Riddell>  * KDE release 4.5.2 now in Kubuntu updates PPA
[17:35] <seb128> great work on kubuntu as always ;-)
[17:35] <seb128> does anybody has questions for Riddell?
[17:35] <Riddell> it's all down to the great community
[17:35] <seb128> you rock as well as your community do ;-)
[17:36] <seb128> great work on driving the RC for everybody btw
[17:36] <seb128> thanks Riddell
[17:36] <seb128> didrocks, UNE update?
[17:36] <didrocks> hey
[17:36] <didrocks> No unity release this week, but still a lot of love! Some cherry-pick to fix latest issues, mostly translations one.
[17:36] <didrocks> Now shotwell is blacklisted from appmenu, so you can safely run it under UNE.
[17:36] <didrocks> I think we are pretty good for the release, no flow of bugs after RC, no showstoppers at least.
[17:36] <didrocks> Still working heavily on the icon loading taking long on some hw configuration and others bugs set for an SRU.
[17:37] <seb128> yeah, seems unity is working well enough now
[17:37] <seb128> one cycle was challenging to get there so congrats to everybody
[17:37] <seb128> we can sort remaining glitches in a SRU next week
[17:37] <didrocks> yeah, I'm very confident due to the progress in bug side we had those last few weeks :)
[17:38] <seb128> is there any questions for didrocks?
[17:38] <didrocks> dx team rocked it in once cycle :)
[17:39] <seb128> ok, thanks didrocks
[17:39] <didrocks> yw
[17:39] <seb128> the next update is for another rocking team ;-)
[17:39] <seb128> tremolux, hey, software-center update?
[17:39] <tremolux> seb128: heya  :)
[17:39] <tremolux> * Buy Something: round of fixes and tweaks in software-center-agent to be deployed by ISD this week
[17:39] <tremolux> * Misc:  testing continues, keeping a close watch on incoming bug reports, targeted bugfixing
[17:39] <tremolux> * tagged bugs: http://tinyurl.com/29drbv4
[17:40] <tremolux> we are in good shape feels like
[17:40] <seb128> seems so
[17:41] <seb128> you will not get the download failing issue fixed for maverick it seems?
[17:41] <seb128> the bug is still set to confirmed
[17:41] <seb128> is that something many users run into? or a special config case?
[17:41] <tremolux> the proxy one?
[17:42] <seb128> "purchased software download fails with and breaks apt proxy"
[17:42] <tremolux> yes, I don't think it's very common
[17:42] <tremolux> mvo reports he has a partial fix in the works
[17:42] <seb128> ok
[17:42] <tremolux> I'm not sure, may go as an sru
[17:43] <seb128> ok, s-c feels solid there and it seems those bug didn't get duplicates
[17:43] <tremolux> the other three are good, two fix committed and the third looks fixed in policykit by james_w
[17:43] <seb128> no reason to worry there
[17:43] <seb128> I've seen that, great work ;-)
[17:43] <tremolux> indeed!
[17:43] <seb128> kudos to james_w for tracking that bug as well
[17:43] <seb128> ok
[17:44] <seb128> is there any question for tremolux?
[17:44] <james_w> it's not uploaded anywhere yet
[17:44] <seb128> james_w, I guess it will be SRU material now
[17:44] <james_w> I would appreciate review from people more familiar with gtk/glib
[17:44] <james_w> yeah
[17:44] <tremolux> james_w: yes, mvo mentioned it will come later
[17:44] <seb128> but still nice to know you figured what is wrong and got a fix for it
[17:44] <tremolux> james_w: and thanks a lot!
[17:45] <seb128> james_w, where is the fix to review?
[17:45] <james_w> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30515
[17:45] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 30515 in daemon "Race means that client can get no response from agent" [Normal,New]
[17:45] <seb128> bratsche, tedg, pitti: ^
[17:46] <seb128> do you think one of you could review the patches from james_w there?
[17:46] <seb128> thanks tremolux
[17:46] <seb128> thanks james_w
[17:46] <seb128> kenvandine, still not there?
[17:46] <tremolux> thx seb128
[17:46]  * bratsche reads
[17:47] <seb128> bratsche, what james_w said just before basically
[17:47] <seb128> bratsche, no hurry for reviews it will not go in this week anyway
[17:47] <seb128> ok, let's get moving
[17:47] <seb128> pedro_, hey
[17:47] <pedro_> hello!
[17:47] <pedro_> ok just wanted to bring some bugs to your attention
[17:47] <seb128> pedro_, so tell us, how is maverick from a qa eye ;-)
[17:48] <pedro_> it's looking great so far ;-)
[17:48] <pedro_> just some minor bugs at this time
[17:48] <pedro_> the ISO testing went fine as well
[17:48] <devildante> it's wonderful even not from a qa eye :p
[17:48] <devildante> and hi all :)
[17:48] <seb128> hey devildante
[17:48] <pedro_> and this week we're concentrating on that so if you have some time keep an eye on that during Thursday/Friday
[17:48] <devildante> hi seb128 :)
[17:48] <tremolux> devildante!  heya
[17:48] <devildante> hey tremolux :)
[17:48] <pedro_> ok the bugs:
[17:49] <pedro_> bug 621927
[17:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 621927 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 8 other projects) "Embedded Terminal Emulator isn't giving a TERM variable (affects: 61) (dups: 14) (heat: 344)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621927
[17:49] <pedro_> that is causing a lot of noise lately, would be nice if someone could have a look so we can SRU it later
[17:49] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^
[17:49] <devildante> mvo: ping
[17:49] <seb128> you did the recent vte updates right?
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can take a look
[17:49] <seb128> devildante, we are in a meeting, can you query mvo or ping it somewhere else?
[17:50] <devildante> okay :)
[17:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, or maybe ask cyphermox if he has time for it
[17:50] <pedro_> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630861#c14 <- according to that comment that's the commit that caused the issue
[17:50] <ubot2> Gnome bug 630861 in VteTerminal "Embedded Terminal Emulator isn't giving a TERM variable" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:50] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ do you think you would have time to investigate that one?
[17:50] <cyphermox> seb128, chrisccoulson, yup
[17:50] <pedro_> probably chpe can provide advice on that as well
[17:50]  * cyphermox is looking at it now
[17:50] <seb128> cyphermox, ok, please assign the bug to yourself then
[17:51] <pedro_> thanks cyphermox ;-)
[17:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, unping for you then ;-)
[17:51] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[17:51] <pedro_> ok the other bug is the one we had a few ago and looks like isn't fixed
[17:51] <pedro_> bug 630884
[17:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630884 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke() (affects: 138) (dups: 53) (heat: 653)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630884
[17:51] <seb128> did cosimoc commited to 2-32?
[17:51] <pedro_> we're still getting duplicates, i've reopened the upstream bug and commented on it already
[17:51] <seb128> he said he would do after the hardfreeze
[17:51] <seb128> which means after 2.32?
[17:51] <njin> pedro_: server ?
[17:51] <pedro_> seb128, didrocks committed it to our package
[17:52] <pedro_> i've checked it
[17:52] <pedro_> the fix is already in the package we're shipping but it doesn't fix the crash
[17:53] <seb128> pedro_, hum
[17:53] <pedro_> so we need someone to have a look to it again, probably didrocks since he made the latest change there?
[17:53] <didrocks> oh yeah, the "various crashers", easy to confirm it was fixed :)
[17:53] <pedro_> heh
[17:53] <seb128> pedro_, where do you see that in our package?
[17:53] <didrocks> pedro_: I couldn't reproduce it, but I can still try to have a look
[17:53] <pedro_> but the nautilus_path_bar_size_allocate is still causing the issue
[17:54] <pedro_> seb128, http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=cfada2b36dd274b2d2835753fc87c69affbbba58
[17:54] <seb128> hum right it's in the current version
[17:54] <seb128> ok
[17:54] <seb128> let's check with cosimoc later on then
[17:54] <pedro_> that's the commit and i've looked at the package to confirm the lines were there and they are
[17:54] <pedro_> ok thanks seb128
[17:54] <pedro_> ok the other is one that it might cause some issues for portable devices on rhythmbox
[17:55] <pedro_> bug 654105
[17:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654105 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Transferring songs from iPod to local drive does not copy extension (ie, .mp3), confusing some portable devices (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654105
[17:55] <seb128> which is fixed upstream I see
[17:55] <seb128> we will sru it after maverick
[17:55] <pedro_> is already fixed upstream so it's just a matter to SRU it
[17:55] <pedro_> awesome
[17:55] <seb128> it's late now for an upload and it seems not a blocker for the iso
[17:55] <pedro_> yeah just raising it for SRU
[17:55] <pedro_> and the last one, the evil bug 551809
[17:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 551809 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 439) (dups: 133) (heat: 1933)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/551809
[17:55] <seb128> right, still no real lead on this one
[17:56] <pedro_> is there any updates on it ? i haven't seen any progress so far
[17:56] <pedro_> :-(
[17:56] <seb128> tedg, ^ did you have a chance to try to figure if that's an indicator issue?
[17:56] <seb128> pedro_, can you try to figure by reading the duplicates or asking submitters if that's only in fallback cases
[17:56] <seb128> ie for users who don't use the indicator applet
[17:57] <seb128> like xfce users or people who don't like indicators and removed the applet
[17:57] <pedro_> seb128, ok will do that
[17:57] <seb128> thanks
[17:57] <pedro_> seb128, that's all from here unless there's a question/comment
[17:57] <seb128> I will try to get tedg to review it to see if he has a clue what could be wrong
[17:57] <pedro_> awesome
[17:57] <seb128> pedro_, not from me, thanks pedro_ for the bugslist
[17:57] <seb128> useful as usual ;-)
[17:57] <pedro_> my pleasure
[17:58] <seb128> ok, let's move on
[17:58] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[17:58] <seb128> well we are over work items time
[17:58] <seb128> still a few to clean there
[17:59] <seb128> mpt, you still have yours listed, can you get it postpone or closed? ;-)
[17:59] <seb128> mterry, you have a mir still listed, I guess that should be deferred to next cycle?
[17:59] <mterry> seb128, let me check
[17:59] <seb128> other items are for the eastern edition
[17:59] <mterry> seb128, yes it should be
[18:00] <mpt> seb128, done
[18:00] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[18:00] <seb128> mterry, can you update the spec then? just close or postpone it as appropriate there
[18:00] <seb128> thanks
[18:00] <tedg> seb128, I've looked into it, it's really unclear.  I believe it's a GTK issue, and they of course believe it's an appindicator issue :)  But, no one seems to know exactly where it's happening.
[18:00] <seb128> otherwise great work everybody, maverick rocks
[18:01] <seb128> there is another round of iso testing still coming starting tomorrow so please help with that
[18:01] <seb128> you can probably also start thinking about UDS and next cycle
[18:02] <seb128> I need to catch up with rick about blueprints registration and UDS but we will keep you updated
[18:02] <seb128> I think we will probably discuss that in next week's meeting
[18:02] <seb128> that's it from me
[18:03] <seb128> questions, comments, anything to add?
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> ooh, there is a new version of NSS and firefox in the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> please test :)
[18:03] <kenvandine> whoops... sorry i took off for lunch right before the meeting, completely forgot!
[18:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok
[18:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you have the url handy?
[18:06] <seb128> kenvandine, hey ;-)
[18:06] <seb128> kenvandine, no problem, did you have any status update?
[18:06] <seb128> you can still do it
[18:06] <kenvandine> nope :)
[18:06] <kenvandine> actually nobody got back to me with links to planning documents...
[18:06] <seb128> ok, so you didn't miss anything :p
[18:06]  * kenvandine makes a note to go nag :)
[18:06] <chrisccoulson> there we go: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[18:06] <seb128> didrocks, mterry, chrisccoulson, Riddell, tremolux, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter: ^
[18:07] <kenvandine> seb128, sorry, i saw a window while waiting for indicator-sound and ran :)
[18:07] <seb128> if you want to test the security updates
[18:07] <seb128> kenvandine, that's ok don't worry ;-)
[18:07] <seb128> tedg, wb, hum ok for the bug, still a common crasher happening only for things using the appindicators it seems...
[18:07] <seb128> I guess it requires debugging by somebody having the issue
[18:07] <didrocks> I will test it
[18:08] <seb128> ok, I think that's a wrap up then
[18:08] <seb128> thanks everybody!
[18:09] <kenvandine> wow... short meeting! (for me, hehe)
[18:09] <pedro_> thanks!
[18:09] <mterry> seb128, I don't have permissions to postpone https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-clusterstack
[18:09] <seb128> kenvandine, don't make a not to do that every week you will not get away with it next time :p
[18:09] <mterry> seb128, and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/update-notifier/deprecations/+merge/37635
[18:09] <kenvandine> hehe
[18:09] <kenvandine> :)
[18:11] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson, didn't have issues with FF 3.6.11-build2 on hardy after all?
[18:11] <fta> tedg, kenvandine: by any chance, do you know if there's a way to make evolution go offline/online from the outside? (from a shell command, or dbus)
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, we had to drop a patch
[18:11] <seb128> mterry, ok, seems it's rather a workitem tracking corner case bug, ie the bug task is set to incomplete but still counted
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if that was the only issue. i assume so though
[18:11] <seb128> mterry, don't bother with it then
[18:11] <kenvandine> fta, i would think via dbus somehow, but never looked
[18:11] <seb128> mvo, <mterry> seb128, and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/update-notifier/deprecations/+merge/37635
[18:12] <tedg> fta, I don't know of one off hand, but there's a bunch of things you can do from the command line -- evolution --force-shutdown is the most useful :)
[18:12] <desrt> tedg: any use of that command indicates that you're doing it wrong
[18:12] <desrt> tedg: alternatively, it could be that evolution has a bug.  but i doubt it.  you're doing it wrong.
[18:13] <kenvandine> fta, i guess not
[18:13] <kenvandine> looking in d-feet it doesn't provide much
[18:13] <tedg> desrt, Heh.  But, to be honestly, the new evolution is radically better than older incarnations.
[18:14] <tedg> Though, apparently I have too many vfolders for it to be happy all the time.
[18:14] <kenvandine> it is usually happy for me
[18:14] <kenvandine> :)
[18:14] <seb128> brb
[18:14]  * desrt will be a die-hard evolution lover/hater
[18:15] <fta> kenvandine, tedg: i once had a look at the api usable by plugins (wanted to improve the indicator) but didn't find much in there for me needs. now i need to inform evo it's offline
[18:15] <kenvandine> fta, i am sure that api changed a ton since lucid
[18:15] <fta> kenvandine, the evo api?
[18:16] <seb128> re
[18:16] <seb128> mterry, oh, --enable-deprecations, is that standard?
[18:16] <didrocks> seb128: re, did the e-d-s update fixes the recurrent crashes you had?
[18:16] <mterry> seb128, no, just something I do in my projects.   Makes it easier to test
[18:17] <seb128> didrocks, not sure, it seemed better before I applied the update and I didn't get any for a few days
[18:17] <seb128> so I'm not sure if that was due to server issues they fixed or if the update helped
[18:17] <didrocks> seb128: ok… weird then
[18:17] <mterry> seb128, (since you don't want them on by default, and typing them in when testing is too much work)
[18:17] <didrocks> yeah, apparently it could fail a lot if the server wasn't working well
[18:17] <seb128> didrocks, in any case it works fine now
[18:18] <didrocks> well, good to know, I worried a little about it :)
[18:18] <seb128> mterry, yeah, I've just those noted and do an export CFLAGS=...
[18:18] <didrocks> let's hope that the patch I backported was for that too
[18:18] <kenvandine> fta, evo has changed a lot... all dbus friendly now, etc
[18:18] <didrocks> patches* even
[18:19] <fta> kenvandine, documented somewhere?
[18:19] <kenvandine> not sure
[18:19] <kenvandine> i haven't looked much at the new evo, besides enjoying the smaller memory footprint and lack of crashes
[18:19] <kenvandine> s/lack/less frequent/
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - want me to look at this g-s-d crash again?
[18:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if you can that would be appreciated yes
[18:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[18:22] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, cyphermox and pedro_, i normally post announcements to identi.ca when there are RC builds of firefox available for testing, but not many people follow me. feel free to pass the message on for me ;)
[18:25] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, just checked ... i subscribe to you :)
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, yeah, that's why i pinged you ;)
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> you have a lot more followers than me....
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[18:26] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, although, i am not a great browser tester... never install extensions and i generally hate all web browsers
[18:26] <kenvandine> i can re-dent it :)
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, yeah, that's the terminology i was looking for ;)
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> sorry, i'm not cool enough!
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> :)
[18:26] <kenvandine> hehe
[18:40] <ari-tczew> didrocks: could you sponsor proposed cairo-dock ?
[18:40] <didrocks> ari-tczew: which one, do you have a bug report?
[18:41] <ari-tczew> didrocks: bug 653702
[18:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653702 in cairo-dock-plug-ins (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please update cairo-dock to the final 2.2.0~4 version (bugs fixed) (affects: 1) (heat: 1731)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653702
[18:42] <didrocks> ari-tczew: ok, I'll have a look tomorrow then. thanks
[18:50] <didrocks> ari-tczew: FYI: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo-dock/+bug/653702/comments/2
[18:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653702 in cairo-dock-plug-ins (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please update cairo-dock to the final 2.2.0~4 version (bugs fixed) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:56] <kenvandine> didrocks, i can't upload the indicator-sound SRU to lucid, can you please sponsor lp:~ken-vandine/ubuntu/lucid/indicator-sound/lucid
[18:57] <didrocks> kenvandine: will do that as first thing tomorrow, seems that everything is ok with the associated bug, nice :)
[18:57] <kenvandine> should be :)
[18:58] <kenvandine> and i tested it, built in pbuilder, etc
[18:58] <didrocks> ok, just building it, 5 minutes, and I'll upload it then
[18:58] <didrocks> if the paperwork is already done, should be quick :)
[18:58] <mterry> njpatel, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/notify-osd/deprecations/+merge/37645  (not sure if you get merge request notifications)
[18:58] <vish> didrocks: offtopic doubt!  how do you type "…" in firefox/chrome?  does you keyboard have that key or … ?
[18:59]  * vish just noticed didrocks' comment on the print screen bug :D , … 
[19:00] <didrocks> vish: with the French fr oss layout, it's Alt gr + Shift + ,
[19:00] <didrocks> (so alt gr + ?)
[19:00] <vish> didrocks: oh! cool thanks.. :)
[19:00] <njpatel> mterry, ah, nice, will pass onto dbarth/macslow
[19:01] <didrocks> vish: hope you can find an equivalent :)
[19:01] <didrocks> kenvandine: updating from 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 to 0.2.5-0ubuntu1?
[19:01] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:01] <vish> didrocks: i copied yours and use it in xchat auto-replace ;)   … :D
[19:01] <kenvandine> 0.2.4 FTBFS
[19:01] <kenvandine> so ronoc rolled a new release
[19:01] <didrocks> kenvandine: ok :)
[19:01] <didrocks> vish: hehe, good ;)
[19:02] <didrocks> kenvandine: uploaded, you can subscribe the sru team
[19:02] <kenvandine> thx
[19:02] <kenvandine> will do
[19:03] <didrocks> (just ensure it's fixed in maverick if relevant or change the status)
[19:03] <kenvandine> yeah, i'll confirm
[19:05]  * didrocks waves good evening
[19:21] <vish> kenvandine: Bug #653259 is application-side error and cjwatson just explained it on -devel :)
[19:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653259 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Choosing India as location sets locale as en_IN and not en_IN.utf8 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653259
[19:48] <mvo> seb128: so … gsettings - does that support madatory values (like gconf) and if so, what is the api for this?
[19:48] <mvo> hey glatzor, thanks for your mail
[19:49] <mvo> glatzor: trunk/ needs a workaround for the cache archive locking or python-apt a workaround for its over eagerness
[19:50] <seb128> mvo, I've been told it does but I didn't check myself so I don't know, check with upstream which is on this channel I would say ;-)
[19:50] <mvo> devildante: maybe with porting to gsettings we can get the software-properites stuff to work the way we want it
[19:50] <mvo> seb128: heh :)
[19:50] <devildante> mvo: yes, good idea, but wrong window :p
[20:36] <chrisccoulson_> urgh, my laptop won't boot
[20:44] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson_, must be that firefox update :-D
[20:44]  * kenvandine ducks
[20:44] <chrisccoulson_> heh
[20:44] <chrisccoulson_> it just drops to initramfs
[20:45] <chrisccoulson_> mount: mounting /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxx on /root failed: Invalid argument
[20:45] <chrisccoulson_> nice
[20:45] <chrisccoulson_> i can't even mount it manually from the initramfs
[20:46] <chrisccoulson_> i had to kill it because it locked up when i undocked, i suspect my hard drive didn't like it too much
[20:52] <chrisccoulson_> lol
[20:52] <chrisccoulson_> i'm wondering why i can't get my laptop to boot from my USB stick....
[20:52] <chrisccoulson_> ...it might help if i wasn't plugging my 4G dongle in
[20:53] <chrisccoulson_> 3G
[20:53] <chrisccoulson_> d'oh
[20:53] <chrisccoulson_> i should go to sleep
[20:54] <kenvandine> haha
[20:54] <chrisccoulson_> there, it's booting from USB stick now
[20:54] <chrisccoulson_> (and not 3G dongle)
[20:54] <chrisccoulson_> :)
[20:55] <chrisccoulson_> i think a format and reinstall is going to be happening tonight
[20:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: maybe change fstab/grub to /dev/XXX
[20:56] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - tried it (manually from the initramfs)
[20:57] <chrisccoulson_> it won't let me mount the filesystem at all :(
[20:57] <chrisccoulson_> i just keep getting the same invalid argument error
[20:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: repair?
[20:59] <chrisccoulson_> yeah, i get a more descriptive error from the USB stick
[20:59] <chrisccoulson_> it's really really broken
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> fixed!
[21:13] <bcurtiswx_> and how?
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> fsck ;)
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> lots and lots of errors
[21:16]  * micahg wins :)
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[23:38] <jcastro> kenvandine: 15 minutes for gwibber refresh? A little high don't you think?