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| lag | o/ | 14:02 |
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| mpoirier | o/ | 14:06 |
| lag | No meeting today then | 14:07 |
| rsalveti | well, we should have it, waiting NCommander | 14:08 |
| GrueMaster | give NCommandera few minutes to shake off the cob webs. | 14:08 |
| davidm | G'day | 14:09 |
| GrueMaster | NCommander has been successfully poked. | 14:10 |
| NCommander | #startmeeting | 14:11 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 08:11. The chair is NCommander. | 14:11 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 14:11 |
| ogra_ac | question is if he stays awake :) | 14:11 |
| * NCommander had a time zone adjustment failure | 14:11 | |
| GrueMaster | Does he ever? | 14:11 |
| ogra_ac | heh | 14:11 |
| NCommander | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101005 | 14:12 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101005 | 14:12 |
| NCommander | No Action items or special items from last week | 14:12 |
| NCommander | [topic] Burndown chart | 14:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Burndown chart | 14:12 |
| NCommander | [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html | 14:12 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html | 14:12 |
| NCommander | [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10.html | 14:13 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10.html | 14:13 |
| ogra_ac | OMG ! | 14:13 |
| ogra_ac | we're deep red | 14:14 |
| NCommander | so there's one last action item left open, persia, can you close it? :-) | 14:14 |
| ogra_ac | persia, !!! | 14:14 |
| ogra_ac | NCommander, there are three | 14:14 |
| ogra_ac | (see the overall chart) | 14:14 |
| NCommander | [action] persia to close and/or postpone his remaining action items for 10.10 | 14:16 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to close and/or postpone his remaining action items for 10.10 | 14:16 |
| NCommander | anything else on the charts? | 14:16 |
| ogra_ac | what about the buglist ? | 14:16 |
| NCommander | [link] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html | 14:16 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html | 14:16 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: that's separate from the burndown charts no? | 14:16 |
| ogra_ac | k | 14:17 |
| * ogra_ac vaguely remembers an action item for NCommander that doesnt seem to have been transferred ;) | 14:17 | |
| ogra_ac | regarding the bugs :) | 14:17 |
| * NCommander doesn't :-) | 14:18 | |
| NCommander | [action] NCommander to unassign himself from bugs (c/o) | 14:18 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to unassign himself from bugs (c/o) | 14:18 |
| NCommander | anything else on the bug list? | 14:18 |
| NCommander | I guess not | 14:19 |
| NCommander | [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag) | 14:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag) | 14:19 |
| mpoirier | been working on b637947 all week - nothing else to report. | 14:19 |
| mpoirier | .. | 14:19 |
| ogra_ac | NCommander, dont you run so fast ! | 14:19 |
| ogra_ac | 7me was just typing :P | 14:19 |
| ogra_ac | anyway | 14:19 |
| GrueMaster | bug 637947, maybe? | 14:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 637947 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) "no sound devices on current ES2.0 boards" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637947 | 14:19 |
| lag | o/ | 14:20 |
| ogra_ac | we're working on it | 14:20 |
| ogra_ac | trying to get patches in today | 14:20 |
| ogra_ac | since thats the last chance to make the release | 14:20 |
| ogra_ac | can you guys make sure the kernel team is available for us to make uploads etc ? | 14:21 |
| NCommander | anything else from the kernel side? | 14:21 |
| lag | * Texas Instruments (ti-omap) | 14:21 |
| lag | * PATCH : IGEPv2's 6 patches are being worked into the SRU process (OMAP3) | 14:21 |
| lag | * PATCH : A new set of ftrace patches have been released - will integrate in Natty (OMAP3) | 14:21 |
| lag | * PATCH : Received patch from TI that enables passing the MAC address to the kernel from u-boot | 14:21 |
| lag | * ON GOING : B637947 Latest sound patches are available from TI - configuration problem still exists | 14:21 |
| lag | * ON GOING : B653002 Currently under investigation - TI suspects a silicone problem | 14:21 |
| lag | * ON GOING : B637947 Still working on the userspace ALSA or PulseAudio configuration | 14:21 |
| lag | * FIXED : B647890 Fixed the building error | 14:21 |
| lag | * WORKROUND: B633227 Applied patches from Nicolas to set memory 2G:2G - enabled the errata for PL310 lx20 cache controller | 14:21 |
| lag | * MISC : "fakeroot debian/rules binary-omap" seems to be broken on Natty - investigation is required | 14:21 |
| lag | * MISC : Some members of the Arm team received ES2.1 boards - so far it's as good as ES2.0 | 14:22 |
| lag | .. | 14:22 |
| NCommander | ah, there's lag | 14:22 |
| lag | :D | 14:22 |
| lag | Hi ya | 14:22 |
| ogra_ac | yeah, we have slow network NCommander :) | 14:22 |
| ogra_ac | lots of lag :) | 14:22 |
| ogra_ac | lag, Natty ?!?! | 14:22 |
| ogra_ac | lag, please stop building omap3 in natty | 14:23 |
| ogra_ac | that either needs to go into a feature branch again or we need to swithc to linaro | 14:23 |
| lag | Speak to mpoirier | 14:23 |
| * ogra_ac will add a spec for that | 14:23 | |
| mpoirier | ogra_ac: that's a company decision... | 14:23 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: yes well, its not my fault you forgot to pack a high-speed interneet connection from Germany ogra_ac ! | 14:23 |
| ogra_ac | mpoirier, no | 14:23 |
| ogra_ac | mpoirier, we cant work that way, omap3 needs fixes at times where the mainline kernel cant be uploaded anymore ... | 14:24 |
| ogra_ac | mpoirier, building omap3 delays the mainline kernel builds a lot | 14:24 |
| ogra_ac | both teams suffer from it being in the core tree | 14:24 |
| mpoirier | who's idea was it to put it in the core tree ? | 14:25 |
| ogra_ac | thats an unbearable situation, we either need to change it back or completely switch to linaro kernels | 14:25 |
| ogra_ac | mpoirier, lool's with agreement from the kernel team | 14:25 |
| mpoirier | I suppose it was put there for a reason... | 14:25 |
| ogra_ac | we tried it one release, its not workable | 14:25 |
| ogra_ac | yes, "because we can" | 14:25 |
| ogra_ac | its a test that failed badly | 14:26 |
| mpoirier | then let's get the concerned parties together and settle on the issue. | 14:26 |
| ogra_ac | we would have IGEP2 support properly working if we had a feature branch with separate policies | 14:26 |
| ogra_ac | mpoirier, thats what i said above | 14:26 |
| ogra_ac | i'll create a spec for discussion at UDS | 14:26 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: mpoirier I think UDS would be the proper venue for this discussion TBH | 14:26 |
| NCommander | ah | 14:27 |
| ogra_ac | just dont waste time on natty branches now | 14:27 |
| NCommander | :-) | 14:27 |
| NCommander | anyway, can I move on? | 14:27 |
| ogra_ac | yep | 14:27 |
| ogra_ac | just again | 14:27 |
| NCommander | [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) | 14:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) | 14:28 |
| ogra_ac | we need exceptoions and uploads | 14:28 |
| ogra_ac | *today* | 14:28 |
| GrueMaster | RC Testing went well. No major issues found, except the missing installer icon on dove images, which is now fixed. | 14:28 |
| ogra_ac | please someone be available from the kernel team to do that | 14:28 |
| GrueMaster | Netboot image for omap was missing modules for usb. No keyboard, no networking. Colin has worked to fix this for release. | 14:28 |
| ogra_ac | \o/ | 14:29 |
| mpoirier | GrueMaster: omap3 or 4 ? when was that discovered ? | 14:29 |
| ogra_ac | ast week | 14:29 |
| ogra_ac | *last | 14:29 |
| GrueMaster | omap/omap3/beagle. | 14:29 |
| ogra_ac | we dont build netboot for omap4 | 14:30 |
| ogra_ac | and omap3 are just a nice to have goodie | 14:30 |
| ogra_ac | leftover from luicd | 14:30 |
| GrueMaster | This is not a kernel issue. This was an issue with debian installer. | 14:30 |
| ogra_ac | right, that too | 14:30 |
| GrueMaster | The modules were not included in the netboot image. | 14:30 |
| ogra_ac | NCommander, move if there are no other questions | 14:31 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) | 14:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) | 14:32 |
| dyfet | We (ncommander and I) discussed plt-scheme yesterday | 14:32 |
| NCommander | FTBFS looks relatively happy on all architectures, not just ARM excluding openjjfk | 14:32 |
| ogra_ac | below 100 pkgs !!! | 14:32 |
| ogra_ac | thanks to doko !!! | 14:32 |
| ogra_ac | we owe him a lot, he's the only one really working actively on that list atm | 14:33 |
| NCommander | +1 beer to doko | 14:33 |
| ogra_ac | +3 from me :) | 14:33 |
| NCommander | :-) | 14:34 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 14:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 14:34 |
| ogra_ac | omap4 runs on panda ES2.1 !!! | 14:34 |
| * NCommander heard | 14:34 | |
| GrueMaster | WOOT! | 14:34 |
| ogra_ac | all open RC bugs were fixed apart from sound | 14:34 |
| NCommander | Its great when hardware is properly designed to be relatively compatible and sane | 14:34 |
| NCommander | Dove is currently looking good, sound issue aside | 14:35 |
| ogra_ac | not sure about omap3 (i didnt test since a while) or dove | 14:35 |
| ogra_ac | GrueMaster, how did omap3 look last time you tested ? | 14:35 |
| NCommander | Installer icon shows up where it should be, and its relatively fast and responsive | 14:35 |
| GrueMaster | Looked good, other than the missing modules in the netboot image. | 14:35 |
| NCommander | cool | 14:35 |
| GrueMaster | Audio has the same issues across the board, though. | 14:36 |
| GrueMaster | omap, omap4, dove. | 14:36 |
| ogra_ac | omap and dove can have SRUs for that | 14:36 |
| ogra_ac | omap4 will get fixes today | 14:36 |
| NCommander | I think we're in very good shape at this point and I think armel+dove and possibly armel+omap can go out the door on 10.10.10 | 14:36 |
| ogra_ac | (or workarounds) | 14:36 |
| ogra_ac | omap4 too | 14:36 |
| rsalveti | hopefully | 14:36 |
| ogra_ac | we only need the xloader patch | 14:37 |
| ogra_ac | that should be enough, workst case all other fixes can be SRUs | 14:37 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: check thatwith davidm since thats contray to what I heard yesterday | 14:37 |
| ogra_ac | xloader and uboot are the things we cant update | 14:37 |
| NCommander | otherwise, WOO | 14:37 |
| ogra_ac | if they are in shape omap4 is ready for 10.10.10 | 14:37 |
| ogra_ac | davidm, ^^^^ | 14:38 |
| ogra_ac | please agree | 14:38 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: why can't you update XLO or u-boot | 14:38 |
| ogra_ac | NCommander, because they are not handled by packages in the image | 14:38 |
| ogra_ac | we treat them like BIOS | 14:38 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: ah. fair enough.We could fix it, but it would be fugly | 14:38 |
| ogra_ac | a way we inherit through using flash-kernel from debian | 14:38 |
| ogra_ac | NCommander, lets fix it in a non ugly way | 14:38 |
| ogra_ac | SPEC !!! | 14:39 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: right | 14:39 |
| ogra_ac | will need good thinking through | 14:39 |
| NCommander | [action] ogra + davidm to determine armel+omap4 releasability and notify the release team with the result | 14:39 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogra + davidm to determine armel+omap4 releasability and notify the release team with the result | 14:39 |
| ogra_ac | ++ | 14:39 |
| ogra_ac | thanks | 14:39 |
| ogra_ac | i'll be able to tell tonight | 14:39 |
| NCommander | [topic] Any Other Business | 14:40 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any Other Business | 14:40 |
| ogra_ac | really depends on the kernel team | 14:40 |
| davidm | ogra_ac, theree were NO kernel changes for OMAP 4? | 14:40 |
| ogra_ac | we need an uploader for the sound fix | 14:40 |
| ogra_ac | davidm, apart from sound ? no | 14:40 |
| ogra_ac | davidm, es2.1 should work out of the box with the xloader changes | 14:40 |
| davidm | ogra_ac, lets have a talk later | 14:40 |
| ogra_ac | yep | 14:40 |
| ogra_ac | lets wait how today at TI turns out | 14:40 |
| ogra_ac | we can say for sure by end of day | 14:41 |
| rsalveti | robclark is just testing the instabilities issues we saw yesterday | 14:41 |
| rsalveti | so soon we should know better if it works or not | 14:41 |
| rsalveti | but I'd say that we just need x-loader fixes | 14:41 |
| ogra_ac | ++ | 14:41 |
| NCommander | anything else left for this meeting? | 14:42 |
| NCommander | Or can I close it out? | 14:42 |
| rsalveti | nops, hopefully we'll be on-line sooner today | 14:42 |
| ogra_ac | activity reports !! | 14:42 |
| ogra_ac | dont foget them :) | 14:42 |
| rsalveti | I did mine ;-) | 14:42 |
| ogra_ac | rsalveti rocks | 14:42 |
| NCommander | rsalveti: maybe one of you should buy a prepaid broadband solutoin and make a hotspot | 14:42 |
| ogra_ac | (and he's the only one here) | 14:42 |
| ogra_ac | NCommander, THATS WHAT WE USE | 14:42 |
| ogra_ac | OOPS | 14:43 |
| rsalveti | yup :-) | 14:43 |
| ogra_ac | damned caps | 14:43 |
| NCommander | ogra_ac: so when you run out of bandwidth on AT&T they make you use all caps?< i didn't know that! | 14:43 |
| * NCommander runs. | 14:43 | |
| NCommander | anyway, about to close the meeting | 14:43 |
| NCommander | going once | 14:43 |
| * ogra_ac slaps NCommander with a holiday inn pancake | 14:44 | |
| NCommander | mmmmm, tasty | 14:44 |
| GrueMaster | So ogra_ac, does thisw mean you will do a status report too? | 14:44 |
| * ogra_ac slaps GrueMaster with a holiday inn pancake | 14:44 | |
| * GrueMaster has bacon and will slap back. | 14:44 | |
| ogra_ac | greasy meeting ! | 14:45 |
| * NCommander notes that ogra_ac and GrueMaster should get a room to save all our visions. | 14:45 | |
| NCommander | anyway | 14:45 |
| ogra_ac | NCommander, quick close the meeting | 14:45 |
| NCommander | going once | 14:45 |
| NCommander | twice | 14:45 |
| NCommander | three times | 14:45 |
| NCommander | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 08:45. | 14:45 |
| * NCommander resets his alarm to respect the local time | 14:45 | |
| lool | mpoirier, ogra_ac: Sorry, I didn't follow; what was my decision wiht the kernel team agreement? | 14:51 |
| mpoirier | lool, at one point or another omap3 became part of mainstream. | 14:52 |
| mpoirier | since this it the time I got hired, I *think* lucide was a topic branch and was wrapped in mainstream for maverick. | 14:53 |
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| kees | \o | 14:54 |
| ogra_ac | lool, having omap built from the main tree is a pain for everyone | 14:55 |
| ogra_ac | lool, so i want either a topic branch for natty again or directly switch to linaro | 14:56 |
| * ogra_ac takes further discussion to #ubuntu-arm | 14:56 | |
| lool | I think this is a large topic | 14:56 |
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| ogra_ac | yep | 14:57 |
| mdz | pitti: hi | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | hello | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | gosh, am I chair | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | kees: around? | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | ah yes | 15:03 |
| mdz | ah, so you are | 15:03 |
| mdz | I thought it was pitti, but that's the meeting I missed | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | no obvious sign of Keybuk; pinged sabdfl | 15:03 |
| pitti | hello | 15:04 |
| pitti | cjwatson: sabdfl is on a conference | 15:04 |
| pitti | he asked to be skipped on the chair rotation | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | aha | 15:04 |
| pitti | so he might lag or not be present at all | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | #startmeeting | 15:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:04. The chair is cjwatson. | 15:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Action review | 15:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Action review | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | Martin Pitt to ask Martin Pool about bzr self test instructions on installed system | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | pitti: ? | 15:05 |
| kees | cjwatson: yup | 15:05 |
| kees | cjwatson: he asked, but I didn't see a reply | 15:05 |
| pitti | cjwatson: done | 15:06 |
| pitti | he replied | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | Kees to add bzr self test to qa-regression-testing project | 15:06 |
| pitti | and even better, they seemed to have made a lot of fixes | 15:06 |
| pitti | bzr 2.0.3 should have a fully working test suite | 15:06 |
| kees | cjwatson: did that | 15:06 |
| pitti | or .2 even | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | Martin to add bzr microrelease exception to StableReleasePolicy | 15:06 |
| pitti | done | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | excellent | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Decide/document ubuntu-archive interaction with ARB packages | 15:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Decide/document ubuntu-archive interaction with ARB packages | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000516.html | 15:07 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000516.html | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | I don't remember whether we discussed this, or if so what the outcome was | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | normally, one function of the archive admins is to at least ensure legality of distribution | 15:08 |
| mdz | it's new to me, though I missed the previous meeting | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | which is more or less the bare minimum | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | this wasn't in the previous meeting; ScottK asked about it on our list, although he apologised that he wouldn't be able to make it to this meeting | 15:09 |
| mdz | so the question is whether archive admins will have responsibility for reviewing ARB packages as well as other kinds of packages? | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | my memory is that extras.ubuntu.com is actually a mirror of a PPA owned by the ARB | 15:10 |
| mdz | is there anyone else in a position to do it? | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | which would mean that ubuntu-archive wouldn't actually naturally have access to it, only the ARB | 15:11 |
| mdz | the ARB themselves? | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | (ScottK may or may not be aware of this) | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/Process is not terribly clear on the matter | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | if it's an ARB-owned PPA, then I think the answer is simple, but the process documentation needs to be expanded to mention that | 15:12 |
| mdz | sounds straightforward enough | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | does anyone know the answer to that authoritatively? | 15:12 |
| mdz | presumably there's an existing archive admin checklist which could be reused? | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | I knew a couple of months ago ... | 15:12 |
| mdz | I don't know about the PPA implementation | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#NEW%20handling has various things we do | 15:13 |
| mdz | rickspencer3 is here; I could ask him if he's likely to know | 15:13 |
| cjwatson | I think he would | 15:13 |
| cjwatson | please do | 15:13 |
| mdz | ok, I'll run over | 15:13 |
| mdz | cjwatson: he doesn't quite know | 15:14 |
| mdz | he redirected to mvo | 15:14 |
| mdz | mvo: around? | 15:15 |
| cjwatson | [ACTION] cjwatson to ensure that documentation on nature of extras.ubuntu.com archive makes it into process docs | 15:16 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cjwatson to ensure that documentation on nature of extras.ubuntu.com archive makes it into process docs | 15:16 |
| mdz | cjwatson: maybe we need to chase this offline | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | I think it's clear that that's needed no matter what | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | OK, I'll take an action and chase it up tomorrow probably | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | [ACTION] cjwatson to chase up archive processing details for extras.ubuntu.com | 15:16 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cjwatson to chase up archive processing details for extras.ubuntu.com | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Decide on permission changes documented in LP: 174375 - Matt Zimmerman | 15:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Decide on permission changes documented in LP: 174375 - Matt Zimmerman | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | I already acked that bug both in person and in LP | 15:17 |
| mdz | bdmurray sent email to the mailing list and didn't get enough of a response to feel comfortable moving forward | 15:17 |
| mdz | I'm +1 on it | 15:17 |
| mdz | maybe we can just do a quick vote assuming folks have read it? | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | there seems to be slight pushback from LP over the split in responsibilities between spec management and release management, but I think that's the essence of the change we need and so we can't give ground there | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | anyone feel they need a few minutes to read over bug 174375? | 15:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 174375 in Launchpad Registry "Distribution drivers permissions may need redesign" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174375 | 15:18 |
| kees | I've read it a few times now :) | 15:18 |
| mdz | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-August/000426.html | 15:18 |
| * pitti reads to refresh memory | 15:18 | |
| mdz | is brian's proposal | 15:19 |
| mdz | which is also in the bug at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/174375/comments/4 | 15:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 174375 in Launchpad Registry "Distribution drivers permissions may need redesign" [Low,Triaged] | 15:19 |
| mvo | mdz: yes, I'm around | 15:20 |
| mdz | mvo: the question earlier was whether extras.ubuntu.com is a mirror of a PPA owned by the ARB | 15:21 |
| mvo | mdz: yes, that is the case | 15:21 |
| mdz | mvo: thanks | 15:21 |
| mvo | yw | 15:21 |
| cjwatson | mvo: thank you, looks like that answers the question; I'll follow up with ScottK et al | 15:22 |
| mvo | thanks cjwatson | 15:22 |
| mdz | pitti: refreshed? | 15:22 |
| pitti | mdz: yes | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | [VOTE] Approve Brian's proposal for redesign of distribution driver permissions | 15:23 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Approve Brian's proposal for redesign of distribution driver permissions. | 15:23 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 15:23 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | +1 | 15:23 |
| MootBot | +1 received from cjwatson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 15:23 |
| kees | +1 | 15:23 |
| MootBot | +1 received from kees. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 15:23 |
| pitti | I think bug targetting needs to be more open than just release-managers; the rest looks fairly okay | 15:23 |
| pitti | if we understand "ubuntu drivers" as "team leads, tech leads, etc" | 15:23 |
| mdz | +1 | 15:24 |
| MootBot | +1 received from mdz. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 15:24 |
| pitti | under that assumption, | 15:24 |
| pitti | +1 | 15:24 |
| MootBot | +1 received from pitti. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | pitti: I'm not too concerned about bug targeting, as long as we can control it independently from spec handling | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | (FAOD that doesn't affect my vote either way) | 15:24 |
| pitti | cjwatson: *nod* | 15:24 |
| mdz | yeah, the real change is making it a separate slot | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | [ENDVOTE] | 15:24 |
| MootBot | Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 | 15:24 |
| mdz | I'll go back to Brian and let him know we acked it, thanks | 15:24 |
| pitti | separating blueprints and bugs is the main goal here indeed | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | targeting: Brian says "should be fixed as long as it doesn't exclude uploaders" which is OK by me | 15:24 |
| pitti | right | 15:25 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 15:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 15:25 |
| cjwatson | the only thing I see is: is the security team still awaiting confirmation on what to do with chromium, or is that settled? | 15:25 |
| cjwatson | (sorry, I appear to be a stateless machine today) | 15:25 |
| kees | cjwatson: I think it's understood; we're just waiting for a final proposal from fta | 15:26 |
| pitti | I think there is a consensus there | 15:26 |
| kees | right | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | September's thread from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000501.html is sort of ambiguous as to what to do with the waiting period | 15:26 |
| pitti | basically, throw out the upstream updates pretty much blindly | 15:26 |
| pitti | but it's not mature enough yet for main | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | absolutely agreed | 15:27 |
| kees | I think the waiting period needs to be dropped, but at the same time, debian/ changes should be limited | 15:27 |
| pitti | kees: well, perhaps dropped -> shortened | 15:27 |
| * kees nods | 15:27 | |
| pitti | it should at least build and get a coarse upgrade/install test | 15:27 |
| kees | right, but I call that "testing" :) | 15:28 |
| pitti | we can drop the 7 days maturing period, but please let's not drop -proposed and at least quick verification | 15:28 |
| kees | yup | 15:28 |
| mdz | +2 | 15:28 |
| jdstrand | is -proposed required? | 15:29 |
| jdstrand | as kees said, we require testing | 15:30 |
| pitti | uploading the stuff straight to -updates is way too risky IMHO | 15:30 |
| jdstrand | it won't ever blindly be uploaded | 15:30 |
| pitti | if it buids on amd64 and fails on i386, we create uninstallability, etc. | 15:30 |
| jdstrand | eg, I'd run it through qrt | 15:30 |
| jdstrand | pitti: sure, we test both i386 and amd64. it is part of the testing procedures | 15:30 |
| jdstrand | (that is part of the security team's checklist) | 15:31 |
| pitti | sounds good | 15:31 |
| jdstrand | I guess what I am getting at is this | 15:31 |
| jdstrand | I noticed yesterday that we are showing chromium as a supported browser in the maverick livecd slideshow | 15:32 |
| pitti | !? | 15:32 |
| jdstrand | yes, I was surprised too... | 15:32 |
| pitti | well, we'll keep it up to date either way | 15:32 |
| jdstrand | but the security team will just need to treat it like flashplugin-nonfree-- it is universe, but we know a ton of people use it | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | that seems realistic, yes | 15:33 |
| jdstrand | so we test it ourselves in a similar manner | 15:33 |
| jdstrand | ie, with all our checklists, etc, etc | 15:33 |
| pitti | i. e. it's not an OMGincident if it suddenly breaks with a particular web page | 15:33 |
| jdstrand | correct | 15:34 |
| jdstrand | and no USN | 15:34 |
| pitti | (chromiums seems to do that a lot, at least on our arm systems) | 15:34 |
| jdstrand | like I mentioned, we have a qrt script which should catch any really huge issues | 15:34 |
| jdstrand | (js, ssl, redirects, images, flash, java, etc, etc...) | 15:35 |
| pitti | jdstrand: wow, so you call it on different web page types and check that it doesn't "Aw, snap!"? nice | 15:35 |
| jdstrand | I'm happy to do all the pocket copying if it is required, but if we have the standing exception, and we treat it this way, I'm not sure it is | 15:35 |
| jdstrand | pitti: yes | 15:36 |
| jdstrand | it is semi-automatic | 15:36 |
| pitti | it seems to have worked pretty well with the last handful of updates | 15:36 |
| pitti | at least from my POV | 15:36 |
| jdstrand | ie, it requires you to be looking at the test as it runs and close the browser, but it leads you through repeatable tests | 15:36 |
| jdstrand | yes | 15:36 |
| cjwatson | ok, anything further on this? | 15:37 |
| pitti | so what's remaining on this? | 15:37 |
| pitti | standing SRU exception? | 15:37 |
| pitti | it seems to be pretty much without alternative | 15:38 |
| kees | yeah; should we vote on it? | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | I haven't heard any disagreement | 15:38 |
| jdstrand | yes. iirc fta is supposed to write something up formally. he isn't sure why that is required since it has been discussed at length, but I can try to prod him | 15:38 |
| pitti | without requiring the 7 days testing period, too | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | but why don't we vote on fta's proposal | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | when it arrives | 15:38 |
| pitti | *nod* | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | let's move on for now, then | 15:39 |
| jdstrand | (if he hasn't done so already,-- I am not up to date) | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | I haven't seen it | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs (standing item) | 15:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Check up on community bugs (standing item) | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | nothing except what we just discussed | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting | 15:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Select a chair for the next meeting | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | I make it kees | 15:39 |
| kees | sounds good | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 15:39 |
| cjwatson | going once | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | going twice | 15:40 |
| mdz | nothing from me | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | sold to the gentleman with the purple IRC client | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:41. | 15:41 |
| mdz | thanks, cjwatson | 15:41 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 15:41 |
| kees | thanks! | 15:41 |
| * pitti hops to the next meeting | 15:41 | |
| === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk | ||
| JFo | o/ | 17:59 |
| apw | o/ | 18:00 |
| cking_ | \o | 18:00 |
| * ogasawara waves | 18:00 | |
| mpoirier | o/ | 18:00 |
| bjf | #startmeeting | 18:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf. | 18:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:00 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 18:00 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick | 18:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 18:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick | 18:00 |
| bjf | # | 18:00 |
| bjf | # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. | 18:00 |
| bjf | # | 18:00 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] ARM Status (lag) | 18:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Status (lag) | 18:01 |
| lag | * Texas Instruments (ti-omap) | 18:01 |
| lag | * PATCH : IGEPv2's 6 patches are being worked into the SRU process (OMAP3) | 18:01 |
| lag | * PATCH : A new set of ftrace patches have been released - will integrate in Natty (OMAP3) | 18:01 |
| lag | * PATCH : Received patch from TI that enables passing the MAC address to the kernel from u-boot | 18:01 |
| lag | * ON GOING : B637947 Latest sound patches are available from TI - configuration problem still exists | 18:01 |
| lag | * ON GOING : B653002 Currently under investigation - TI suspects a silicone problem | 18:01 |
| lag | * ON GOING : B637947 Still working on the userspace ALSA or PulseAudio configuration | 18:01 |
| lag | * FIXED : B647890 Fixed the building error | 18:01 |
| lag | * WORKROUND: B633227 Applied patches from Nicolas to set memory 2G:2G - enabled the errata for PL310 lx20 cache controller | 18:01 |
| lag | * MISC : "fakeroot debian/rules binary-omap" seems to be broken on Natty - investigation is required | 18:01 |
| lag | * MISC : Some members of the Arm team received ES2.1 boards - so far it's as good as ES2.0 | 18:01 |
| lag | .. | 18:01 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo) | 18:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Release Metrics: (JFo) | 18:02 |
| JFo | Release Meeting Bugs (4 bugs, 9 Blueprints) | 18:02 |
| JFo | ==== Release Milestoned Bugs (19 across all packages (down 7)) ==== | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 2 linux kernel bugs (up 1) | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (no change) | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change) | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change) | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) | 18:02 |
| JFo | ==== Release Targeted Bugs (134 across all packages (down 10)) ==== | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 16 linux kernel bugs (up 3) | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (no change) | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change) | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 2 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change) | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) | 18:02 |
| JFo | ==== Milestoned Features ==== | 18:02 |
| JFo | * 14 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints) | 18:02 |
| JFo | ==== Bugs with Patches Attached:124 (up 3) ==== | 18:02 |
| JFo | * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]] | 18:03 |
| JFo | * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]] | 18:03 |
| JFo | .. | 18:03 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Status: Maverick (ogasawara) | 18:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status: Maverick (ogasawara) | 18:03 |
| ogasawara | As mentioned last week, we've been queuing patches for Maverick SRU which includes the latest 2.6.35.5, 2.6.35.6, and 2.6.35.7 stable updates. We are also planning a 0-day kernel upload which has been documented at bug 647071 . I'm not aware of any kitten killer bugs for Maverick which would cause a last minute upload. Obviously let us know if we've overlooked/missed anything. | 18:03 |
| ogasawara | .. | 18:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 647071 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "0-day Maverick Kernel Upload" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/647071 | 18:03 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Lucid/Karmic/Jaunty/Hardy/Others (smb) | 18:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels - Lucid/Karmic/Jaunty/Hardy/Others (smb) | 18:04 |
| smb | || || Upd./Sec. || Proposed || TiP || Verified || | 18:04 |
| smb | || Dapper: Kernel || 2.6.15-55.88 || || || || | 18:04 |
| smb | || Hardy: Kernel || 2.6.24-28.79 || || || || | 18:04 |
| smb | || = LRM || 2.6.24.18-28.7|| || || || | 18:04 |
| smb | || Jaunty: Kernel || 2.6.28-19.65 || || || || | 18:04 |
| smb | || Karmic: Kernel || 2.6.31-22.65 || 2.6.31-22.66 || 12 || 1/ 4 || | 18:04 |
| smb | || = mvl-dove || 2.6.31-214.30 || 2.6.31-214.32 || 12 || 1/ 4 || | 18:04 |
| smb | || = ec2 || 2.6.31-307.17 || 2.6.32-307.18 || 12 || 1/ 4 || | 18:04 |
| smb | || Lucid: Kernel || 2.6.32-25.44 || || || || | 18:04 |
| smb | || = LBM || 2.6.32-25.24 || || || || | 18:04 |
| smb | || = mvl-dove || 2.6.32-211.27 || || || || | 18:04 |
| smb | || = fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31-608.20 || || || || | 18:04 |
| smb | || = ti-omap || 2.6.33-502.10 || (in progress) || || || | 18:04 |
| smb | || = ec2 || 2.6.32-308.16 || 2.6.32-309.17 || 0 || 7/28 || | 18:04 |
| smb | .. | 18:04 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) | 18:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) | 18:04 |
| JFo | 721 Maverick Bugs (up 92) | 18:04 |
| JFo | 1014 Lucid Bugs (up 36) | 18:05 |
| JFo | Current regression stats (broken down by release): | 18:05 |
| JFo | ==== regression-potential ==== | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 364 maverick bugs (up 44) | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 163 lucid bugs (up 3: to be converted to regression-release) | 18:05 |
| JFo | ==== regression-update ==== | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 64 lucid bugs (up 9) | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 6 karmic bugs (down 1) | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 4 jaunty bugs (no change) | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 0 hardy bugs (no change) | 18:05 |
| JFo | ==== regression-release ==== | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 177 lucid bugs (up 7) | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 37 karmic bugs (up 1) | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 17 jaunty bugs (no change) | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 2 hardy bugs (no change) | 18:05 |
| JFo | ==== regression-proposed ==== | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 6 lucid bugs (no change) | 18:05 |
| JFo | * 1 karmic bug (no change) | 18:05 |
| JFo | .. | 18:05 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) | 18:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) | 18:05 |
| JFo | The Bug Day is today, so I don't have much information other than that. The next Bug Day will be Tuesday 19 October. | 18:05 |
| JFo | The focus will be on bugs with patches. We will be working to identify those bugs that have actual, relevant patches. | 18:05 |
| JFo | More details to follow on the wiki. | 18:05 |
| JFo | We will continue to have the Team Bug Day to address the Top 50 list as half days on Friday and Monday. | 18:05 |
| JFo | Reviewers, please take a look at your needs-review lists and help us keep the process moving. There are several lists that are not getting a look. | 18:05 |
| JFo | Please also take ownership of your bugs as you work them so we can get them fixed or otherwise off the list. There are a number in need of love. | 18:05 |
| JFo | There are several subsystems owned by all that need to be reviewed for inclusion in our top 50 list. | 18:05 |
| JFo | .. | 18:06 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo) | 18:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Triage Status (JFo) | 18:06 |
| JFo | There has been an increase in people interested in working on triaging bugs. There are a number of folks working today on the Bug Day | 18:06 |
| JFo | that have helped us triage bugs in the past, but have not been active on BugDays. Marjo blogged my Bug Day e-mail and I blogged about it | 18:06 |
| JFo | on the qa.ubuntu.com blog. I'll do that for each bug day we have going forward and will keep track of the growth in interest as a result. | 18:06 |
| JFo | .. | 18:06 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 18:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 18:07 |
| bjf | # | 18:07 |
| bjf | # Note: This will be the last meeting of the Maverick development cycle. The next | 18:07 |
| bjf | # meeting will be November 8th. | 18:07 |
| bjf | # | 18:07 |
| JFo | yay, Happy Last Meeting of the Cycle! | 18:07 |
| JFo | :) | 18:07 |
| apw | yay | 18:07 |
| cking_ | phew | 18:07 |
| bjf | thanks everyone | 18:07 |
| bjf | #endmeeting | 18:07 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:07. | 18:07 |
| JFo | thanks bjf | 18:07 |
| cking_ | bjf, thanks | 18:07 |
| smb | bjf, ta | 18:07 |
| JFo | 7 minutes of meeting goodness | 18:08 |
| JFo | we are darn efficient | 18:08 |
| cking_ | dear sir, is this a record? | 18:08 |
| bjf | cking_, i think so | 18:08 |
| JFo | it is the fastest one I have been in | 18:08 |
| cking_ | blink and it's over | 18:08 |
| JFo | heh | 18:08 |
| bjf | now all the londoners can go to the pub and dinner | 18:08 |
| JFo | wooo! | 18:08 |
| cking_ | slackers | 18:09 |
| JFo | wait... :-( | 18:09 |
| * JFo can only go to lunch | 18:09 | |
| bjf | JFo, just realizes he's not in london | 18:09 |
| JFo | :-( | 18:09 |
| manjo | man what just happened ? | 18:09 |
| * JFo cries | 18:09 | |
| bjf | manjo, did you blink and it was over? | 18:09 |
| JFo | heh | 18:10 |
| manjo | almost | 18:10 |
| manjo | ok. see you later folks | 18:10 |
| * manjo returns to his pile of netbooks | 18:10 | |
| xfaf | yo | 18:53 |
| === xfaf is now known as zul | ||
| hggdh | ~ô~ | 18:58 |
| RoAkSoAx | o/ | 18:58 |
| mathiaz | o/ | 18:58 |
| JamesPage | o/ | 18:58 |
| mjeanson | hi | 18:58 |
| jiboumans | o/ | 18:59 |
| ttx | \o | 18:59 |
| kirkland | howdy all | 18:59 |
| kirkland | i think i'm chairing today, right? | 19:00 |
| ttx | kirkland: if you can, yes | 19:00 |
| jiboumans | kirkland: 3rd time's a charm ;) | 19:00 |
| kirkland | wooho | 19:00 |
| kirkland | o | 19:00 |
| kirkland | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| Daviey | o/ | 19:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 13:00. The chair is kirkland. | 19:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 19:00 |
| kirkland | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 19:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 19:00 |
| kirkland | hmm, i don't see any outstanding actions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 19:00 |
| kirkland | in which case, if there are none, I suppose we'll just move on | 19:01 |
| * kirkland checks log | 19:01 | |
| kirkland | ah, here are a couple | 19:01 |
| kirkland | --> SpamapS to chase drizzle in maverick decide between "broken" and "removed" with slight possibility of "beta" | 19:01 |
| kirkland | SpamapS: ? | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | sorry | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | drizzle is out of maverick | 19:02 |
| kirkland | SpamapS: carry over to next week? | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | removed earlier this week | 19:02 |
| kirkland | SpamapS: alrighty, done? | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | In discussing the beta period with their developers, its better this way. :) | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | kirkland: yes done | 19:02 |
| kirkland | thanks | 19:02 |
| kirkland | --> jiboumans to send an email to ubuntu-server@ and/or blog post for call for ideas | 19:02 |
| kirkland | jiboumans: ? | 19:03 |
| jiboumans | kirkland: not done </shame> | 19:03 |
| kirkland | jiboumans: carry over to next week? | 19:03 |
| smoser | o/ | 19:03 |
| jiboumans | kirkland: i'll do so today | 19:03 |
| kirkland | jiboumans: k | 19:03 |
| kirkland | [ACTION] jiboumans to send an email to ubuntu-server@ and/or blog post for call for ideas | 19:03 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: jiboumans to send an email to ubuntu-server@ and/or blog post for call for ideas | 19:03 |
| kirkland | --> mathiaz to send out a call for ideas on ubuntu to the puppet community | 19:03 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: ? | 19:03 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: carry over | 19:03 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: I'll do it later today | 19:03 |
| mathiaz | (just to copy jiboumans ) | 19:04 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: alrighty | 19:04 |
| kirkland | [ACTION] (carryover) (carryover) mathiaz to send out a call for ideas on ubuntu to the puppet community | 19:04 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: (carryover) (carryover) mathiaz to send out a call for ideas on ubuntu to the puppet community | 19:04 |
| * kirkland worries about a buffer overflow on that one :-) | 19:04 | |
| kirkland | [TOPIC] Maverick development - jiboumans | 19:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Maverick development - jiboumans | 19:05 |
| jiboumans | not much to say right now; we're winding down | 19:05 |
| zul | yay! | 19:05 |
| kirkland | release status -- ttx | 19:05 |
| jiboumans | ttx is at the release spring in london while i'm detained in the US | 19:05 |
| jiboumans | all his :) | 19:05 |
| ttx | Mostly in good shape, nothing critical in the daily bug triage | 19:06 |
| ttx | a couple of FTBFS... one in likewise-open I fixed on Monday, the other is axis2c | 19:06 |
| ttx | We'll probably postpone that one since it's such a PITA to get right | 19:06 |
| * Daviey screams | 19:06 | |
| ttx | Daviey: do you agree ? | 19:07 |
| kirkland | ttx: yeah, i think i've looked at that one, if its the one i'm thinking of :-/ | 19:07 |
| ttx | kirkland: yes, THAT one. | 19:07 |
| Daviey | ttx, yes - doko also inestigating | 19:07 |
| kirkland | ttx: ugh | 19:07 |
| Daviey | investigating* | 19:07 |
| ttx | The other is Bug 653154 | 19:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653154 in dovecot (Ubuntu Maverick) "package mail-stack-delivery (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653154 | 19:07 |
| ttx | but is about to be debunked as "not-reproduced" | 19:07 |
| ttx | Daviey: right ? | 19:07 |
| Daviey | yah | 19:08 |
| Daviey | will do shortly | 19:08 |
| ttx | so we don't have any fix queued for release now. | 19:08 |
| ttx | (as of now) | 19:08 |
| ttx | next topic :) | 19:08 |
| Daviey | \o/ | 19:08 |
| kirkland | ttx: thanks | 19:08 |
| kirkland | [TOPIC] The road to 10.10.10 release (ttx) | 19:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: The road to 10.10.10 release (ttx) | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | Actualy I think bug 653154 might have a duplicate | 19:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653154 in dovecot (Ubuntu Maverick) "package mail-stack-delivery (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653154 | 19:08 |
| kirkland | ttx: looking forward? | 19:08 |
| ttx | ISOs should hit tomorrow. | 19:09 |
| ttx | so it will be ISO testing season again | 19:09 |
| * hggdh is happy | 19:09 | |
| ttx | and hopefully we'll be set by Friday | 19:09 |
| smoser | ttx, are there bugs not included yet that are targetted ? | 19:09 |
| smoser | (probably I should know the link to such things, but shame on me) | 19:10 |
| ttx | smoser: the only other bug in the list that we might consider is Bug 617496 | 19:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 617496 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Maverick) "'stop eucalyptus' should also stop all -publication services" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617496 | 19:10 |
| ttx | the url is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus | 19:10 |
| ttx | please make sure to raise any bug you stumble upon in daily triage | 19:10 |
| kirkland | ttx: okay, so every should prime their ISO cache today using TestDrive, and just incrementally sync the diff tomorrow, right? ;-) | 19:10 |
| ttx | that would critically affect maverick | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | ttx: bug 653362 Is I think the duplicate | 19:11 |
| ttx | kirkland: yes :) unfortunately my laptop is utterly slow, I need to switch to onf of those SSDs | 19:11 |
| kirkland | ttx: thanks | 19:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653362 in dovecot (Ubuntu) "package mail-stack-delivery 1:1.2.12-1ubuntu7 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653362 | 19:11 |
| inkvizitor68sl | hmmm... i hope there i will get answer...) what i have to do to be able to receive new CDs (better - in enough amount to share it). | 19:11 |
| ttx | so daviey will bring a couple spare laptops so that we do ISO testing in London | 19:11 |
| kirkland | noted, ttx is looking for an SSD donation | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | ttx: and bug 653152 | 19:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 653152 in dovecot (Ubuntu) "package mail-stack-delivery 1:1.2.12-1ubuntu7 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 653362)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653152 | 19:12 |
| ttx | Daviey: looks like it's a bit reproductible after all. | 19:12 |
| mathiaz | Daviey: are you heading to the release sprint as well? | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | ttx: They may not have showed up on the radar because I marked it as Medium | 19:12 |
| ttx | SpamapS: volunteering to clear it out before we rool ISOs tomorrow ? | 19:12 |
| Daviey | ttx: oh joy | 19:12 |
| kirkland | ttx: alrighty -- anything else 10.10.10 worthy? | 19:12 |
| Daviey | mathiaz: some of it. | 19:12 |
| ttx | we need someone in US TZ to take care of it | 19:13 |
| ttx | ideally before we spin ISOs :) | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | ttx: I'm not entirely familiar with dovecot, but I'm happy to attack it if nobody else wants it. :) | 19:13 |
| Daviey | rocking! | 19:13 |
| ttx | mathiaz: ^or you :) | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | Will need somebody to upload. | 19:13 |
| kirkland | SpamapS: i can sponsor | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | Don't we have some people in .jp ? | 19:14 |
| kirkland | SpamapS: ASAP, though | 19:14 |
| ttx | SpamapS: mathiaz works on JP tz | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | kirkland: yeah I'll get on it right away | 19:14 |
| kirkland | alright, let's take any specific bug discussion to #ubuntu-server | 19:14 |
| Daviey | SpamapS: i had a Chinese the other day, if that helps? | 19:14 |
| kirkland | and keep focused here | 19:14 |
| kirkland | ttx: anything more from you on this topic? | 19:14 |
| ttx | kirkland: no. Questions ? | 19:14 |
| ttx | smoser: ideally we would prepublish cloud images early | 19:15 |
| kirkland | ttx: is this going to be the best Ubuntu Server Release ever? | 19:15 |
| ttx | smoser: so that you don't have to be on call on Sunday :) | 19:15 |
| smoser | ttx, well, yes, and ideally with the correct labels | 19:15 |
| smoser | :) | 19:15 |
| ttx | kirkland: I hope it will be the quietest. | 19:15 |
| kirkland | ttx: awesome | 19:15 |
| smoser | i'll get that all taken care of and send cjwatson instructions on what to do. including a phone number. | 19:16 |
| kirkland | moving along .... | 19:16 |
| kirkland | [TOPIC] Natty preparation (jib) | 19:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Natty preparation (jib) | 19:16 |
| ttx | and that Cloud10/42 will help show that to the worls | 19:16 |
| ttx | d | 19:16 |
| jiboumans | Slowly gearing up for Natty. Like last week, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/NattyIdeaPool is live and we already have quite a few ideas. If you haven't contributed yours yet, please do so this week. On Friday, we'll be taking a snapshot of this and start making a rudimentary UDS planning. | 19:16 |
| cjwatson | smoser: I will not be working on Sunday, so ... | 19:16 |
| jiboumans | as always if you'll be at UDS and already have some topics you'll know you'll work on, feel free to file the blueprints already | 19:16 |
| cjwatson | smoser: contact skaet | 19:16 |
| smoser | ooh... then we need a RT for skaet to have access to nectarine | 19:16 |
| jiboumans | after release, the server team will spend some serious time on setting up our UDS plans & sessions | 19:17 |
| kirkland | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/NattyIdeaPool | 19:17 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/NattyIdeaPool | 19:17 |
| jiboumans | that's all there's to say right nwo i think -- any questions? | 19:17 |
| smoser | [ACTION]: smoser get RT open for skaet to have access to nectarine for publishing UEC images | 19:17 |
| smoser | [ACTION]: smoser to get skaet info on how to publish EC2 images | 19:17 |
| kirkland | jiboumans: might we devote some time in next week's meeting to such open ideas/brainstorming? | 19:18 |
| jiboumans | absolutely | 19:18 |
| zul | heh some people already started | 19:18 |
| jiboumans | right now it's a braindump area: add whatever comes up | 19:18 |
| kirkland | cool | 19:19 |
| ttx | In the weeks following release, please also remember to keep up the triaging effort, in case our first maverick users hit a major issue, we need to be ready to fix it | 19:19 |
| jiboumans | kirkland: i've also just sent out the call for ideas/blueprints so you can mark that done | 19:19 |
| kirkland | ttx: agreed | 19:19 |
| kirkland | jiboumans: noted | 19:19 |
| kirkland | jiboumans: anything else on this topic? | 19:20 |
| jiboumans | not from me | 19:20 |
| kirkland | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 19:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 19:20 |
| hggdh | yeah | 19:20 |
| hggdh | we sent our proposal for regression-* tags to -devel. If no complains, we will be implementing it soon (after 10.10.10) | 19:21 |
| kirkland | hggdh: cool, what does that mean? | 19:21 |
| hggdh | we will be dropping regression-potential | 19:22 |
| hggdh | and using regression-release even for a development release | 19:22 |
| kirkland | ah | 19:22 |
| kirkland | understood | 19:22 |
| hggdh | -potential does not seem to gain us much (if at all), apart from more work | 19:22 |
| hggdh | and... I will start on euca testing for release as soon as the ISO is published | 19:23 |
| kirkland | hggdh: okay, anything else? | 19:23 |
| kirkland | any questions for QA? | 19:23 |
| Daviey | \o/ | 19:23 |
| kirkland | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) | 19:24 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) | 19:24 |
| kirkland | jjohansen is not feeling well today | 19:24 |
| kirkland | and it appears that jj-afk is away | 19:24 |
| smoser | so lets move on there. | 19:24 |
| kirkland | if there are any kernel related issues, please note them now ... | 19:25 |
| kirkland | and we'll take them up offline .... | 19:25 |
| kirkland | going once | 19:25 |
| kirkland | going twice | 19:25 |
| kirkland | gone. | 19:25 |
| kirkland | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) | 19:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) | 19:25 |
| kirkland | sommer doesn't appear to be around either .... | 19:26 |
| kirkland | going once | 19:26 |
| Daviey | :( | 19:26 |
| kirkland | going twice | 19:27 |
| kirkland | gone. | 19:27 |
| kirkland | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0) | 19:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0) | 19:27 |
| kirkland | kim0 doesn't appear to around ... | 19:27 |
| * kirkland misses his friends | 19:27 | |
| * ttx hugs hggdh for being around :) | 19:28 | |
| kirkland | anything to mention, Community related? | 19:28 |
| * hggdh blushes | 19:28 | |
| hggdh | I have been chatting with kim0 | 19:28 |
| kirkland | going once | 19:28 |
| smoser | hggdh, are you implying that he's around, just hiding from us. thanks. | 19:28 |
| hggdh | about community involvement. We intend to get together and discuss this on UDS | 19:28 |
| kirkland | hggdh: yes, good | 19:29 |
| hggdh | smoser: actually it was last week :-) | 19:29 |
| kirkland | anyone planning a release party? | 19:29 |
| kirkland | (that's community related...) | 19:29 |
| zul | ill be having turkey that day | 19:29 |
| kirkland | or planning to attend a release party? | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | There's a release party in Hollywood that I'll be attending on Monday evening | 19:30 |
| RoAkSoAx | o/ | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | nobody wants to go on Sunday ;) | 19:30 |
| kirkland | SpamapS: oh? cool ... I'll be in SoCal next week, I think | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | http://www.borderstylo.com/posts/205-company-culture-at-border-stylo | 19:30 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.borderstylo.com/posts/205-company-culture-at-border-stylo | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | At their offices | 19:30 |
| kirkland | [ACTION] Everyone to celebrate the 10.10.10 release in their own unique ways | 19:30 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Everyone to celebrate the 10.10.10 release in their own unique ways | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | :) | 19:30 |
| ttx | I've been discussing server subcommunities at Open World Forum | 19:30 |
| kirkland | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 19:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 19:31 |
| kirkland | anything else? | 19:31 |
| ttx | i.e. groups specializing in the maintenance of subsystems like "directory" or "windows integration" | 19:31 |
| smoser | i had an item on open discussion agenda. | 19:31 |
| RoAkSoAx | or cluster :) | 19:31 |
| ttx | RoAkSoAx: yes ! though this one is alive and kicking already | 19:31 |
| smoser | SRU 649591 (mountall spins eating cpu when 'nobootwait' option exists in fstab followed by a comma) | 19:32 |
| smoser | bug | 19:32 |
| RoAkSoAx | ttx: we still need UEC HA Clustering though | 19:32 |
| smoser | bug 649591 | 19:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 649591 in mountall (Ubuntu Lucid) "mountall spins eating cpu when 'nobootwait' option exists in fstab followed by a comma" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649591 | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | I'd really like to see cluster stack get some attention. Building a redundant database server or load balancer on ubuntu should be easy. | 19:32 |
| ttx | I've seen widespread interest in that, so I hope we'll pull that off | 19:32 |
| RoAkSoAx | SpamapS: that's easy... the hard part will be the itnegration with UEC xD | 19:32 |
| ttx | (been talking to huats and RevolutionLinux guys) | 19:33 |
| mathiaz | ttx: with whom have you been discussin the topics at openworld? | 19:33 |
| ttx | mathiaz: I read your mind and answer your question before it's asked. | 19:33 |
| RoAkSoAx | ttx: mjeanson from revolutionlinux is interested in the cluster since they work in Ubuntu | 19:33 |
| smoser | ok.. my bug. I need bug 649591 back to lucid. I've got a proposed pull, but need sponsoring. can i get someone to please sponsor for me. | 19:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 649591 in mountall (Ubuntu Lucid) "mountall spins eating cpu when 'nobootwait' option exists in fstab followed by a comma" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649591 | 19:34 |
| ttx | smoser: yes you can. | 19:34 |
| ttx | smoser: maybe not me, but you should get someone | 19:35 |
| smoser | thats why i'm asking. | 19:35 |
| * ttx needs to pack tonight | 19:35 | |
| smoser | mathiaz, zul, kirkland, one of you, please ? | 19:35 |
| zul | sponsoring mountall makes me nervous | 19:35 |
| kirkland | smoser: i don't mind sponsoring | 19:36 |
| RoAkSoAx | btw... after this UDS the ubuntu-server package set will be up and running right? | 19:36 |
| smoser | great. its not my patch, its cjwatson. so you don't even really have to trust me. | 19:36 |
| kirkland | smoser: poke me in another channel shortly and let's walk through it | 19:36 |
| kirkland | smoser: hmm, so why didn't cjwatson upload it? | 19:36 |
| smoser | he uploaded to maverick. | 19:37 |
| ttx | I'd say, he is a bit busy with maverick release. | 19:37 |
| smoser | i am just pushing for lucid (and 'now' rather than later) | 19:37 |
| kirkland | RoAkSoAx: you mean the ubuntu-server package set? | 19:37 |
| kirkland | smoser: ah, okay | 19:37 |
| RoAkSoAx | kirkland: yes | 19:37 |
| kirkland | smoser: yeah, grab me in #ubuntu-server after the meeting | 19:37 |
| kirkland | RoAkSoAx: i'm not sure who owns that to-do.... | 19:38 |
| kirkland | ttx: do you know? | 19:38 |
| ttx | kirkland: that would be mathiaz | 19:38 |
| ttx | it's part of the deffered items in mavercik-server-seed-review | 19:38 |
| ttx | deferred, even | 19:38 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: eta on ubuntu-server package set? | 19:38 |
| mathiaz | after UDS | 19:38 |
| kirkland | ttx: mathiaz: cool | 19:38 |
| RoAkSoAx | cool | 19:38 |
| kirkland | alright, i think that's about it ... | 19:38 |
| mathiaz | I'll probably schedule a session at UDS to figure out how to review the best | 19:39 |
| kirkland | [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time | 19:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time | 19:39 |
| kirkland | Tuesday 2010-10-12 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting | 19:39 |
| kirkland | see you soon! | 19:39 |
| mathiaz | it's a 350+ package list | 19:39 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: yeah, review at UDS is a good idea | 19:39 |
| kirkland | adios, all | 19:39 |
| kirkland | #endmeeting | 19:40 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 13:40. | 19:40 |
| Daviey | o/ | 19:40 |
| ttx | \o | 19:40 |
| RoAkSoAx | o/ | 19:40 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: yeah, that mountall patch should be good for lucid too, just insufficient round tuits | 21:20 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: ack | 21:20 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: thanks for following up | 21:20 |
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