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BUGabundoguud afternuun peeps14:10
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jdstrandfta: ok, based on today's meeting, the TB is waiting on a formal request for a microrelease exception for chromium-browser. it seems like they will approve it, but need that to vote on. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions15:41
jdstrandfta: see that page for justification, and also include in it something about how debian/ won't change except for things required to make the new version build15:41
ftajdstrand, how i am i supposed to ship improvements then? like new translations (deskop file or langpacks), new system policies (like system wide addon paths, default home page), etc)15:45
jdstrandfta: I don't have answers to that. basically, you need to handle it the same way mozilla is being handled. perhaps chrisccoulson can advise15:46
jdstrandwell..15:46
jdstrands/you need to handle/it needs to be handled/15:46
ftajdstrand, i ask because with the limited resources i have to work on this (remember it's a huge beast and no one's helping me, and i'm not full time on it), it's far easier for me to ship the same thing everywhere, after a staging period in the -stable ppa of course15:50
ftajdstrand, also, all the new improvements i add land 1st in the daily ppa, and they take a while to go down the daily->dev->beta->stable->u+1->u chain15:52
ftajdstrand, so there's often plenty of time to notice issues15:52
jdstrandfta: I understand what you are saying, but that does not follow microrelease exception procedures. if debian/ is changing, the vote will be no. what I see the mozilla team do isn't much work-- they freeze debian/ and create a branch at release. then update the changelog and any required cherrypicks from trunk. it isn't that bad. talk to chrisccoulson about practical workflows15:54
ftajdstrand, if canonical is willing to take the lead for the official releases, i'd be happy to pass the torch and focus my attention on something else15:54
ftajdstrand, sure but the mozilla team has dedicated people15:55
jdstrandI'm not sure how I became the gatekeeper for this issue for both you and the TB, but I am just trying to convey protocol15:55
jdstrandactually, help is on the way15:56
micahgfta: it's just chrisccoulson and myself15:56
jdstrandhttp://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_UP-USE/15:56
micahgjdstrand: cool :)15:57
jdstrandit is Ubuntu's practice to freeze versions and backport patches15:57
jdstrandto drop huge new codebases in a stable release is a *major* exception given to mozilla and chromium15:57
jdstrandto ask that packaging doesn't change sounds pretty minor in my mind15:58
jdstrandyou just have separate branches for debian/15:58
jdstranddo all your work in trunk, and when you are satisfied with it, cherrypick the required for building bits15:59
jdstrandfta: you should note that I am also not paid to work on chromium browser. I do much of the testing to allow it to be copied from -proposed in my 'free' time16:00
ftajdstrand, sorry for all the troubles. please forget about it then. i guess i should too. maybe it's best to ask for chromium to be removed for stable then, like debian did16:01
chrisccoulsonhi!16:02
chrisccoulson(sorry, busy in KVM testing security updates) ;)16:02
jdstrandfta: we've both worked hard to get to this point. we are on the verge of getting the exception. I don't know why we would give up now16:02
chrisccoulsonyeah, it's not a lot of additional overhead maintaining separate branches. most of the churn is updating changelogs with the new version numbers, uploading, and testing16:03
chrisccoulsonwhich you still have to do regardless of whether you have separate branches or no16:03
chrisccoulsont16:03
jdstrandfta: my point there was that you are not working alone. I've been doing a not insignificant amount of work with testing and the process to make the updates happen. just like you have done a significant amount of work to prepare the updates16:05
ftaso it seems i'm the one to blame now.. great16:07
jdstrandfta: what blame?16:07
jdstrandthere is no blame16:07
jdstrandafaics there is nothing wrong16:08
jdstrandbranch debian/, write a proposal, done16:08
mdeslaurfta: your maintenance of chromium is _incredibly_ appreciated. Nobody is criticizing your work, trying to make you jump through hoops, or blaming you for anything. Releasing updates for stable releases has the introduced regressions in the past that have affected _millions_ of people. Branching the debian/ directory for stable releases is simply one of the things that prevents that from happening.16:36
ftamdeslaur, i already have dedicated branches for maverick and lucid, and i'm already restraining myself from merging everything down, but most of the packaging changes are there to fix bugs reported by people running lucid, and bzr is really bad with cherry-picks, making my life harder to track what's been lost each time. not to mention the big jumps that often means major changes16:40
mdeslaurfta: well, some amount of change in debian/ is often necessary, especially when you update versions. But, the idea is to try and minimize change to the stable releases. chrisccoulson can probably tell you exactly what kind of things he refrains from changing in stable releases.16:44
mdeslaurfta: I realize it's more work for you, but we'll have help soon.16:44
ftamdeslaur, i'm already twisting my brain to maintain this #!$ branch: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/chromium-stable.png16:50
mdeslaurfta: wow, cool graph16:51
mdeslaurfta: I understand, and realize all the work you've put into this16:51
micahgfta: BTW, chromium is back in squeeze from what I saw16:53
BUGabundowoot16:54
BUGabundomicahg: dev channel? or stable16:54
BUGabundolast I check it only had 616:54
micahgBUGabundo: stable16:54
BUGabundobooo16:54
BUGabundoI'm on UNSTABLE16:54
micahgBUGabundo: Debian doesn't do dev channel16:54
BUGabundothen what's SID for ?16:55
BUGabundolol16:55
micahgBUGabundo: stable releases :)16:55
BUGabundothen again I'm stuck on 2.6.32.x kernel16:55
ftamicahg, what changed then? they dropped it because it was moving too fast. i don't think google backed off on the idea of releasing fast16:55
micahgfta: I have no idea, makes no sense to me16:55
ftahttp://qa.debian.org/developer.php?packages=chromium-browser16:56
ftahttp://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=chromium-browser16:57
micahgah, so they're behind as well :-/16:57
ftawe don't have .63 in lucid either, not a security update16:59
ftathis one is nice too: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/graphs/chromium-beta.png17:07
ftahttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/graphs/17:07
ftamicahg, BUGabundo: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2010/10/Debian_squeezes_Chromium_back_in/  but you probably read it already17:42
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micahgchrisccoulson_: lfaraone: what do you think about adding sugar-firefox-activity to the mozilla package set?20:52
chrisccoulson_micahg - i don't mind20:55
chrisccoulson_having a crisis now though, so no time to think ;)20:55
micahgchrisccoulson_: I saw20:55
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=== micahg changed the topic of #ubuntu-mozillateam to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Mozilla Team: | Firefox 3.6.11 / NSS 3.12.8 / NSPR 4.8.6 in http://is.gd/dsudW, please test | Firefox 3.6.10 in Hardy-Maverick | Thunderbird 3.1.x Now in Maverick/Daily PPA, Coming to Stable PPA Soon | Firefox 4.0 Beta PPA http://is.gd/f6TM4 | Report Mozilla PPA bugs here: http://is.gd/dPMLv
BUGabundofta: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=5805022:52
ftaBUGabundo, bad subject, should be crash in tcmalloc or something like that22:53
ftaBUGabundo, what do you mean by open search page?22:55
BUGabundofta: opening http://brainbird.net/search/notice22:57
ftaBUGabundo, no crash here22:58
BUGabundodoh forgot to mention browser version22:59
BUGabundoFAIL22:59
BUGabundo7.0.547.0 (61463) Ubuntu 10.1022:59
ftalast one22:59
BUGabundofta: crashes everytime22:59
ftaeven with a fresh profile?23:00
BUGabundono23:00
BUGabundowith mine23:00
BUGabundolet me launch a new one and reteste23:00
BUGabundofta: works fine one a fresh provile23:03
BUGabundo[768:783:33156902305:ERROR:net/disk_cache/backend_impl.cc(1193)] Critical error found -823:03
BUGabundobut got that23:03
ftaBUGabundo, you should add the missing bit, version, os, etc.. or run apport and link the ubuntu bug there23:08
BUGabundoI did23:08
BUGabundoapport won't run on PPA versions23:09
BUGabundoshame23:09
ftaBUGabundo, it should now, try23:15
BUGabundoit does?23:15
BUGabundocool beans23:15
BUGabundoand it even autocompletes package names23:16
BUGabundoYAY23:16
BUGabundo/tmp/apport.chromium-browser.zng9ny.apport23:16
BUGabundothat's SOOOO MUCH nicer23:17

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