[04:26] <csgeek> honk
[04:26] <beuno> hiya csgeek
[04:26] <csgeek> I'm trying to get ubuntuone client compiled from source, and its giving some odd issues.
[04:26] <csgeek> hi bueno
[04:26] <csgeek> s/bueno/beuno/
[04:27] <csgeek> http://pastie.org/1199957  for anyone who has any ideas
[04:28] <beuno> csgeek, I have no idea what it could be
[04:28] <beuno> can I suggest emailing the list so the desktop folks can look at it tomorrow?
[04:31] <csgeek> sure.. if you can point me to the mailing list.. I'll drop a more detailed email
[04:32] <beuno> csgeek, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-users
[04:33]  * ajmitch should probably join that as well
[04:33] <csgeek> hmm.. says I have to be a team member to subscribe
[04:34] <beuno> csgeek, sure, just join
[04:34] <csgeek> alright. joined up.  Thanks beuno I'll tag up later on.
[08:35] <duanedesign> morning all
[08:39] <rodrigo_> ng
[09:20] <mahen> hi
[09:37] <duanedesign> hello mahen
[09:37] <mahen> hello duane
[11:34] <duanedesign> good morning
[11:35] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ#How%20do%20I%20update%20the%20credit%20card%20on%20my%20account?
[11:36] <duanedesign> this porrtion of the FAQ needs updated or to be removed?
[12:15] <rye> duanedesign, /me is trying indicator thing - this already shows estimated time for metadata: http://paste.ubuntu.com/506415/
[12:17] <duanedesign> nice
[12:24] <rye> http://ubuntuone.com/p/Igg/
[13:22] <duanedesign> rye: ever seen this pyintify error? http://paste.ubuntu.com/506460/
[13:37] <rye> duanedesign, i remember i was getting one when I moved the folder out of Ubuntu One
[13:56] <duanedesign> rye: ahh, thank you
[14:30] <danyR> guys.. gotta say...as of now, the edge website looks.... ACE!
[14:32] <artir> https://edge.one.ubuntu.com/ just noticed there is an edge version
[14:32] <artir> :P
[14:32] <artir> btw, the Ubuntu-pay stuff works great
[14:33] <artir> the U1 logo is still the old one, though
[14:33] <danyR> yeah, I noticed that in the web interface. still the old logo
[14:33] <danyR> but the new font is now used everywhere
[14:35] <danyR> and the main screenshot in the site use an experimental and old ambiance version
[14:44] <danyR> btw, as I'm here, is there any free music in U1MS?
[14:54] <duanedesign> danyR: yes
[14:54] <duanedesign> danyR: i often use the free mp3s when i need to test the music store
[14:55] <duanedesign> danyR: let me get you the link
[14:55] <danyR> I don't seem to able to find any of those, in the U1 EU Store.
[14:55] <danyR> isn't it: http://www.7digital.com/free-mp3-downloads ?
[14:56] <duanedesign> yep
[14:57] <danyR> duanedesign: I can find most of the bands, but I only have the option to purchase
[15:00] <duanedesign> :/
[15:03] <danyR> duanedesign: for example, I can find the track "murder weapon", by the tricky group. I only have the option to puirchase it by 1,29
[15:12] <duanedesign> danyR: hmm. same here
[15:14] <danyR> duanedesign: I'm testing other tracks. the same is happening
[15:15] <duanedesign> danyR: hmm, well i dot get the album for the tricky song
[15:16] <duanedesign> 'mixed race'
[15:16] <duanedesign> i only found the single
[15:16] <duanedesign> danyR: what is another track?
[15:16] <danyR> ginger by twin sister, duanedesign
[15:19] <danyR> duanedesign: album is "Vampires With Dreaming Kids / Color Your Life"
[15:20] <duanedesign> yeah i found a couple that were not on there. Finally did find one though
[15:21] <danyR> a free one? can you give me info/link?
[15:21] <duanedesign> Sneaky Thieves - Accident - Sneaky Thieves
[15:21] <duanedesign> The Din
[15:21] <duanedesign> sorry lag
[15:21] <duanedesign> Sneaky Thieves - Accident - The Din
[15:24] <danyR> duanedesign: I keep just getting the buy option. This time by .79
[17:14] <SEJeff_work> rodrigo_, ping
[17:18] <jml> I want to work on a desktopcouch project & structure it in such a way that I can have map.js & reduce.js files in my tree, but also be able to do a one-step deploy of those .js files to my couch db
[17:18] <jml> how can I do this?
[17:21] <james_w> jml: couchapp might help
[17:21] <jml> last time I looked into couchapp, it seemed to be this whole big world-encompassing philosophy
[17:21] <jml> and I didn't know how to actually use it
[17:22] <james_w> the couchapp tool is a little python script that walks a filesystem tree, puts the files it finds in to a json document, and then pushes that to couchdb
[17:22] <james_w> you could of course write your own script to do that
[17:26] <jml> hmm.
[17:26] <jml> james_w: are you talking about http://couchapp.org/page/index
[17:26] <james_w> jml: sort of
[17:27] <james_w> they confusingly gave 3 different things the same name
[17:27] <jml> ok.
[17:27] <james_w> 1. couchapp - the concept of serving the pieces needed for a webapp directly from couchdb
[17:28] <james_w> 2. couchapp - an implementation of the above which uses html, jquery, evently and some other things
[17:28] <james_w> 3. couchapp - a command line tool to allow you to edit the design document necessary for 1 on your filesystem and push it in to couchdb
[17:29] <james_w> http://couchapp.org/page/installing
[17:29] <james_w> Ubuntu packages bought to you by the combination of bzr+recipes+ppas
[17:30] <jml> ok. let me try this.
[17:31] <james_w> if you have a directory with views/foo/map.js and views/foo/reduce.js and a couple of other files then "couchapp push desktopcouch://mydb" will put those things in to {views: {foo: {map: ..., reduce: ...}}} as required to do view queries against "mydb"
[17:31] <jml> insufficient PPA
[17:31] <rodrigo_> SEJeff_work, pong
[17:31] <james_w> as I said, the concept is fairly simple, so you may want your own implementation of the above
[17:32] <SEJeff_work> rodrigo_, Hey I was just pinging you about the U1 serverside stuff for note editing and potentially sharing some of it with snowy. I've also sent an email
[17:32] <SEJeff_work> But figured if you've got any issues you didn't want saved in the gnome email archives we could discuss them here or via pm
[17:42] <rodrigo_> SEJeff_work, oh no, just waiting for re-confirmation/authorization from my bosses
[17:42] <rodrigo_> SEJeff_work, will ping you as soon as I've got it
[17:43] <SEJeff_work> rodrigo_, Sweet! Do you mind replying to that email as well whenever you've got it (or not)? The hackfest is in a month and we're just trying to work on priorities.
[17:43] <SEJeff_work> Your help is much appreciated
[17:44] <rodrigo_> SEJeff_work, yes, will reply later
[17:54] <jml> james_w: ahh, now I remember why I couldn't figure this. "[ERROR] couchapp error: You aren't in a couchapp." I'll look through the source figure this out...
[17:54] <james_w> jml: couchapp.json perhaps
[17:54] <james_w> maybe _id too
[17:55] <james_w> the latter with just _design/something
[17:55] <james_w> the former with a json dict with name and description keys
[17:56] <jml> trailing whitespace and inconsistent indentation
[17:56] <jml> how do these guys sleep at night?
[18:14] <jml> james_w: sadly, too many interrupts to get even close to success.
[18:15] <james_w> interrupts from elsewhere, or pitfalls with the tool?
[18:17] <jml> elsewhere
[18:17] <james_w> ok
[18:17] <james_w> give me a shout if you want to look at it again
[18:17] <jml> that email I sent you today took over one hour of wall time
[18:18] <jml> james_w: thanks.
[18:18] <james_w> ouch, apologies for that :-)
[18:18] <jml> it's ok. only ten minutes of that was spent on it. the rest was either waiting for something or more interrupts
[20:27] <Chipaca_> hi all
[20:27] <ajmitch> hello
[20:28] <Chipaca_> rodrigo_: could you ask mandel to get his self in here? :)
[20:28] <Chipaca_> dobey: or you plz
[20:28] <Chipaca_> ajmitch: hey
[20:28] <Chipaca_> I should probably use a different nick
[20:28] <Chipaca_> I'm dirtying this one using it on windows :)
[20:28] <dobey> 15:17 -!- mandel [mandel@canonical-cloaked-BB7C168B.dynamic.jazztel.es] has  quit [Leaving]
[20:29] <Chipaca_> curses
[20:29] <ajmitch> an impeccable sense of timing
[20:30] <dobey> to be a cheeky employee, though must me be cheekier than thy boss
[20:31] <Chipaca_> *n*curses
[20:31] <Chipaca_> so here i am, stuck in windows. I don't even know if it's 32 or 64 bits :)
[20:32] <dobey> is it windows 7?
[20:33] <Chipaca_> yes
[20:33] <Chipaca_> 64 bits
[20:33] <Chipaca_> found it
[20:33] <Chipaca_> also, dell lies :(
[20:33] <dobey> how so?
[20:33] <Chipaca_> but I should've payed more attention :)
[20:33] <dobey> paid
[20:33] <Chipaca_> yeah
[20:34] <Chipaca_> i *always* get that one wrong
[20:34] <dobey> if it makes you feel any better, you can always pay me more :)
[20:35] <Chipaca_> attention?
[20:36] <Chipaca_> it's a M620, which is dual-core, and dell had it listed as a quad
[20:36] <dobey> yen
[20:36] <dobey> oh
[20:36] <dobey> and you only just now realized that?
[20:36] <dobey> like, /proc/cpuinfo didn't give you any hints? ;)
[20:36] <Chipaca_> I was kinda preoccupied with not having X
[20:37] <dobey> oh
[20:37] <dobey> well, you always have ncurses
[20:37] <Chipaca_> nope, no console either
[20:37] <Chipaca_> bug in the panel (or the panel driver)
[20:37] <Decus> amusing that I am enough of an idiot to pursue use of this tool through lots of killalls, deletions of tokens, etc. etc.
[20:38] <Chipaca_> Decus: hi! what's up?
[20:38] <dobey> i'm guessing that rodrigo also won't be back for the day
[20:38] <Chipaca_> dobey: yep, but mandel is in sprint mode, so he should be back soon
[20:38] <Decus> Chipaca_: can never get a machine to smoothly connect to ubuntu one without deleting the token, removing the config file
[20:39] <Decus> can never get a directory to sync reliably without forcing it manually
[20:39] <Chipaca_> Decus: that's weird, and wrong. What are you running?
[20:39] <Decus> ubuntu 10.04, two work machines, three home machines
[20:39] <Decus> all updated regularly
[20:39] <dobey> Chipaca_: maybe you should poke him on twitter? he twitted 8 min ago :)
[20:40] <Decus> all radically different hardware, and three of those installed recently
[20:40] <Decus> I just seem to be really, really unlucky with this tool?
[20:40] <Decus> I hope?
[20:41] <Decus> another thing that would be cool ( because I started out intending to propose its use for the company I was working for ) would be
[20:41] <Decus> the ability to download the files as an archive through the web interface in an emergency?
[20:42] <Decus> Apologies if that already exists and I haven't seen it?
[20:43] <Decus> ( I'm not just here to moan - it occurs to me there might be a need for people to have a crack at it with some fresh installs and see if they get problems.
[20:44] <Decus> )
[20:44] <dobey> the feature request exists, but not the functionality yet
[20:44] <Decus> dobey: fair enough
[20:45] <Chipaca_> Decus: we've fixed a *lot* of issues this last cycle, but it does also sound like you might be hitting them all :)
[20:45] <Decus> heh
[20:45] <Decus> that would seem entirely possible at the moment
[20:46] <Chipaca_> Decus: when and if you upgrade to maverick, I'd love to know if your issues fix themselves
[20:47] <Chipaca_> or rather, I'd like to know if they *don't*
[20:47] <Decus> I almost certainly will - not so sure about the missus, what with that, and that gwibber thing, which basically just doesn't work, and the notifications which disappear when you try to click them, and don't disappear on click, and don't bring the relevant window into focus
[20:47] <Decus> I'll have a hard time keeping her off windows, heh
[20:47] <Decus> anyway, not your problem
[20:48] <Chipaca_> gwibber also has fixed that issue of it chomping up your machine for parts
[20:48] <Decus> I will use something else involving, i dunno, rsync or svn or something, and consider giving it another go when I hit maverick
[20:48] <Chipaca_> notifications that you can't interact with, however, are a feature and here to stay :)
[20:49] <danyR> Chipaca_: a question: when is the Ubuntu One Control Panel supposed to land?
[20:49] <Decus> thanks for the information
[20:49] <Chipaca_> danyR: Ñoño Ñandú
[20:50] <Chipaca_> danyR: or Natty if the stars line up
[20:50] <Decus> Chipaca_: heh, I can assure you I will be armlocked by the missus and forced to patch some less annoying behaviour into the notifications
[20:50] <Decus> if she stays
[20:50] <Decus> anyway, cheers
[20:51] <danyR> Chipaca_: hm, great to hear that! oh and just a curiosity: today I decided to try UbuntuOne in real-life, and will use it only for a while. It happened to be the day when Dropbox went down for the first time. :D
[20:51] <ajmitch> how many of the changes that are in maverick will make their way back to lucid?
[20:51] <Chipaca_> ajmitch: 23 of them
[20:51] <ajmitch> Chipaca_: wonderful
[20:52] <ajmitch> Chipaca_: I hope they're not all spelling changes :)
[20:52] <Chipaca_> ajmitch: "as many as we can manage" might be a more honest answer
[20:52] <dobey> what is an ubuntu one control panel?
[20:52] <Chipaca_> dobey: the rework of u1-prefs
[20:52] <Chipaca_> dobey: scheduled for natty
[20:52] <Chipaca_> dobey: but no promises :)
[20:52] <ajmitch> Chipaca_: I just know of a number of people who will stick with the LTS
[20:52] <Chipaca_> ajmitch: yes
[20:52] <danyR> dobey: I've here the link for the spec: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/Doc?docid=0AU5sFuLRpCpBZGZra2pqY2pfODY2Z3RnbTl2Z3E&hl=en_GB
[20:53] <Decus> hrm, dropbox. Is that open source, danyR?
[20:53] <Chipaca_> ajmitch: we expect to do it for the next point release
[20:53] <ajmitch> we'll quote you on that :)
[20:53] <ajmitch> ah nice
[20:53] <Chipaca_> Decus: nope, but it does work on linux and windows
[20:53] <Chipaca_> Decus: and mac
[20:53] <danyR> Decus: sync daemon is closed source. but nautilus-plugin is open-source
[20:53] <dobey> ugh not that thing
[20:53] <Chipaca_> Decus: on the other hand, we're testing a beta of our windows port right now
[20:54] <Chipaca_> danyR: ah! no, that's probably not going to be it. Not that much. Maybe a little.
[20:54] <Chipaca_> dobey: yeah, that thing. We're keeping the name, and going through the spec with a fine comb
[20:55] <danyR> wasn't a big u1 announcement scheudled for today?
[20:55]  * dobey prefers a Machete
[20:55] <Decus> I'm the kind of pillock who will use the open source version if at all possible
[20:55] <Decus> would it be in backports?
[20:55] <Chipaca_> dobey: a machete is a dense type of fine comb
[20:55] <Decus> u1, not dropbox
[20:56] <Chipaca_> Decus: not yet, because additional work is needed to get it working on lucid
[20:56] <dobey> i'm lost now with all the questions about backports and whatnot
[20:56] <Chipaca_> Decus: if you're brave, you might try doing it yourself
[20:57] <dobey> backport what to lucid?
[20:57] <Chipaca_> Decus: you can pull ubuntu_sso trunk and ubuntuone-client trunk, and things should work :)
[20:57] <Chipaca_> dobey: u1
[20:57] <Chipaca_> dobey: u1 with all the fixes in m
[20:57] <ajmitch> though building the maverick packages on lucid may be possible
[20:58]  * ajmitch should try
[20:58] <Decus> well let's give that a go then
[20:58]  * Decus fetches a cup of tea
[20:58] <dobey> Chipaca_: it's already done
[20:58] <ajmitch> PPA?
[20:58] <dobey> well mostly done
[20:59] <dobey> we've been building 'dailies' of most everything in u1 for a while now, on maverick and lucid both
[20:59] <Chipaca_> dobey: right, *mostly*. Advantage of pulling yourself is you can try with an isolated user before putting all your users through the pain, if there is any
[20:59] <Chipaca_> OTOH if you have a lucid vm or spare computer, you can try the ppa with minimum pain
[20:59] <Decus> woah hang on there
[20:59] <Decus> dobey: I can pull the code down and build it and expect it to work then, or is there a ppa?
[21:00] <dobey> there's the nightlies PPA
[21:00] <dobey> and i guess we should put out the latest releases in the stable ppa next week after the maverick release
[21:02] <dobey> the nightlies PPA isn't exactly nightlies though, and it's pretty much guaranteed that something WILL break at some point, in it
[21:02] <dobey> but if you want to try it, you are welcome to
[21:03] <danyR> whoa, I'm using the nightlies PPA, wasn't aware of all breakage risks :-)
[21:04] <Chipaca_> danyR: didn't the "nightlies" give you a hint?
[21:04] <Chipaca_> if we called it "wheneverlies" people would use it *more*, because it's cuter
[21:05] <dobey> Chipaca_: let's call it 'dasterdlies'
[21:05] <danyR> Chipaca_: I mean, I've some dozens of PPA and most of them say daily. 2 or 3 say stable.
[21:05] <Chipaca_> danyR: and you do this expecting them not to break?
[21:05] <danyR> so I thought nightlies would be just because of timezone difference :P
[21:06] <dobey> to be fair, i have made our nightlies be much more reliable
[21:06] <Chipaca_> yeah, I'd use them myself
[21:06] <Chipaca_> but I'd still warn people :)
[21:06] <dobey> danyR: we actually build new versions in our 'nightlies' PPA whenever new branches land, not every day at 00:00
[21:07] <dobey> well, for most everything in it, anyway
[21:07] <danyR>  I kind noticed it. lots of updates today :D
[21:07] <dobey> not really?
[21:08] <Chipaca_> dobey: depends when he updated last :)
[21:08] <danyR> Chipaca_: yes, that's relative.
[21:09] <danyR> well, gotta go. thanks for the answers :)
[21:09] <dobey> Chipaca_: well ubuntu-sso-client and ubuntuone-client are the only two things that have really had any updates in the last couple of weeks
[21:10] <danyR> bye
[21:10] <dobey> and there was a bug in tarmac i just finally got fixed today, that was causing some of them to not get build :)
[21:10] <Chipaca_> dobey: and desktopcouch i hope
[21:10] <dobey> last build of desktopcouch in nightlies was oct 1
[21:10] <Decus> hrm, pubkey weirdness
[21:10] <Decus> never mind.
[21:11] <dobey> and was about to get couchdb-glib set up in there, but need to poke rodrigo
[21:12]  * ajmitch thought ubuntuone-storage-protocol had been changed recently, but that was 4 weeks ago
[21:12] <dobey> sept 23
[21:12] <dobey> 2 weeks anyway :)
[21:12] <ajmitch> right, I was looking at package branches
[21:13] <ajmitch> which may not always reflect reality
[21:14] <Decus> right. This may or may not be encouraging
[21:15] <dobey> ?
[21:21] <Chipaca_> ok, I've had it with this os
[21:21] <Chipaca_> bbiab
[21:21] <ajmitch> but it's popular, it must be good!
[21:21] <Chipaca_> ajmitch: so is death
[21:22] <dobey> your decomposing body emits less greenhouse gasses than your hybrid car!
[21:24] <Decus> hrm, maybe I just need to share everything with myself as a workaround for now
[21:25] <Decus> I'm clearly failing to understand some massively obvious and fundamental aspect of how this is all supposed to work
[21:27] <Decus> ...or not. There we go, fingers crossed it's working
[21:27] <Decus> \o/
[21:28] <ajmitch> it goes?
[21:28] <dobey> i suppose i should rejoice for you, but i have no idea what you're rejoicing about or not, exactly :)
[21:29] <Decus> well, at this point, I am rejoicing because by and large ubuntu one is doing the sorts of things I want it to
[21:30] <ajmitch> that's a good first step :)
[21:30] <Decus> by which I mean it offered to connect the machine, and having done that, it synced my files and directories
[21:30] <Decus> which is sort of all I was after
[21:30] <dobey> good deal then
[21:30] <Decus> yep, fantastic, thank you all very much
[21:32] <Decus> the world doesn't seem to have exploded horribly using the stuff from the ppa, it's pulled what you've got packaged as
[21:34] <dobey> yeah, everything there should be working ok
[21:34] <dobey> but it is possible that from time to time something in it might break
[21:35] <Decus> yeah, completely to be expected
[21:35] <dobey> and there will likely start being lots of changes again soon, so nightlies will start getting a lot more builds, and big changes
[21:35] <Decus> this is what seems to be working: http://pastebin.com/JX8WHtXP
[21:35] <dobey> which means stuff might start breaking soon after UDS :)
[21:35] <Decus> I know, it's rubbish that I gave theexact versions in such a lazy way, but hey, it's late :)
[21:36] <dobey> eh, i can see what the versions are anyway :)
[21:36] <ajmitch> is there no PPA for the 1.4.x branch?
[21:36] <ajmitch> as opposed to trunk, I mean
[21:36]  * ajmitch hasn't looked for one, fwiw :)
[21:37] <dobey> ajmitch: there is the stable ppa, and i think next weekish i'll build the latest stable releases of everything into it
[21:37] <ajmitch> ok
[21:37] <dobey> ppa:ubuntuone/stable if you want to add it
[21:37] <ajmitch> I'm just wondering if it's worth me tracking the maverick package branches still for debian
[21:38] <dobey> in what way? to package in sid?
[21:38] <ajmitch> yeah
[21:38] <ajmitch> well, experimental for awhile
[21:39] <Decus> well, what's been *packaged* as ubuntu-sso-client=1.1.0+r640~lucid1, ubuntuone-client=1.4.99+r730~lucid1, libsyncdaemon-1.0-1=1.4.99+r730~lucid1, python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol=1.4.0+r121~lucid1 and ubuntuone-client-gnome=1.4.99+r730~lucid1
[21:39] <ajmitch> though I'd like to have the stable paackages in sid & the crack of the day in experimental
[21:39] <dobey> i'd say you should probably track lp:ubuntu/$whatever for that
[21:39] <Decus> ( since there is the vague possibility another lucid user might find them useful after stuff breaks )
[21:40] <ajmitch> right, that's what I'm doing, then I've got the local branches for changelog modifications, any minor changes, etc
[21:40]  * ajmitch does like having bzr-buildpackage use pbuilder now for this 
[21:40] <dobey> and i guess the narwhal series will show up soon
[21:42] <ajmitch> wheezy won't be releasing for awhile, but if the CUT project takes off then a few debian users might come along
[21:44] <dobey> haha
[21:44] <dobey> my firs thought when reading that was sadly "debian is naming releases after rappers now?"
[21:44] <ajmitch> no, they're trying to compete with ubuntu on how stupid a release name can sound
[21:45] <dobey> surprised they haven't switch to harry potter characters, instead of toy story
[21:45] <dzup2> hello, am new in ubuntuone, i did signin to the services and in the wiki in how to install the service said i have to add my machine to the service, but i dont see that option, perhaps {cuz am using the free 2g account?
[21:46] <dobey> dzup2: is there perhaps a new tab in your Firefox window that you didn't see?
[21:46] <dzup2> i did erase my cookies and restart my firefox,
[21:47] <dzup2> no i dont see anything, letme check again
[21:47] <dobey> and you ran System->Preferences->Ubuntu One from the menus?
[21:48] <dobey> and i presume you are on 10.04 (lucid)?
[21:49] <dzup2> yes i am
[21:50] <dzup2> i got that, so i click in accounts, take me to my browser then i singin then the welcome screen but i dont see the [add this computer" deal
[21:51] <dzup2> *signin
[21:51] <dobey> that's not how you get to it
[21:51] <dzup2> then?
[21:52] <dobey> it should open a web page automatically when you start ubuntuone-preferences if you haven't already linked your computer to your account
[21:52] <dobey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ#How%20do%20I%20add%20my%20computer?
[21:52] <dobey> dzup2: ^^ see that FAQ
[21:54] <dzup2> dobey:  now works, thanks
[21:58] <dobey> sure